The Era Of True Wayland WINE Gaming Is Coming

[@renner0395]

discord canary fixed screensharing on wayland by finally updating their electron version 🎉

[@ghosthunter0950]

Any estimate when we can expect it to come to the official version? A couple months half a year 1 year ...

[@JEM_Tank]

They actually did more than just update their electron, they also revamped how the screenshare menu works on linux

[@renner0395]

@@JEM_Tank yeah seems like it. The Discord window itself still runs on X11 by default though

[@Ozzymand]

@@ghosthunter0950 the feature looks rather solid, maybe a bit of polishing regarding the UI. Knowing Discord, this will probably hit stable soonish™, like a few months at best

[@Beryesa.]

Which also broke portals 🎉😅

[@whiskytangi]

Factorio pushing wayland support was amazing

[@Anteksanteri]

Factorio also has a unix exclusive live saving feature that just clones the process every now and then using fork.

[@reeeeedmil]

the factory must grow beyond the houses Windows

[@TheBicPen]

0:01 first mention of wayland

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

Thank you

[@robnobert]

without you I'd be lost

[@magnificoas388]

-0:00

[@temanor]

Thanks. Now I can skip right to the good part :)

[@bocmo439]

2:00 "there are still some bugs to be discovered", Brodie, did you push some bugs into code?

[@RadikAlice]

Evil Brodie: Pushes bugs instead of covering them in videos

[@BrodieRobertson]

You got me

[@AlucardNoir]

Why do you think he's the main guy covering them? He put them there in the first place.

[@Ordoscc]

​@@BrodieRobertsonAre you the University of Minnesota?

[@Maddy-Guthridge]

​@@RadikAlice this is how he gets his content

[@mback3713]

In business applications, there is a huge amount of professional software written for X11 (that depends on network transparency) that isn't going to go away any time soon. Because businesses need X (and will need it for a long time to come), Xwayland needs to continue to be treated seriously as a long-term feature.

[@pawrsley]

Out of curiosity, what business applications are you referring to?

[@BrodieRobertson]

Xwayland isn't going anywhere anytime soon

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@BrodieRobertsonExactly. I wouldn't be surprised if XWayland continues to see active development long past XOrg's eventual death.

[@Linuxdirk]

“Proton works just fine” 85% of the time for me. Much, much better than 1-2 years ago. Another 1-2 years with this pace of improvements and Linux is the better gaming platform. I wonder what Microsoft comes up with to prevent that.

[@unitrader403]

im pretty sure they will at least try to use their lawyer army...

[@mgord9518]

They won't do anything to prevent it, MS is going full-tilt into cloud computing and subscription services. They do not care about who (individuals) uses Windows anymore, they just want people to use Office 365, use Gamepass and purchase cloud storage. If anything, I can see them opening up more to Linux if it means them getting another buck

[@plaintext7288]

​@@mgord9518MS 365 on Wayland when?

[@greenman360]

GamePass is pretty much all they have to combat it with. "Stay on Windows and never own any games, but have access to some when we say you can :)" Personally I'm chilling on Linux with games I actually own.

[@guss77]

​​​@@mgord9518Microsoft is heavily invested in the Enterprise ecosystem, where they have a huge manageability advantage. One may think that as a result they don't care much about the personal non-commercial user - which is peanuts money - and wouldn't mind all of them going to Linux. In the past they used to fight for every non-com user because of the "mess with it at home, then take to work" effect, but with startups much more commonly being bought than making it to become huge commercial entities that are worth fighting for - maybe that's no longer the case.

[@tristen_grant]

Krita needs Wayland support as well. They're working on it, bur right now if you use Krita in Wayland your cursors don't change when switching tools (or switch back) and of course Wayland doesn't have good colour management support, which is important for drawing/painting for print.

[@zlice0]

(audio) DAWs too =/

[@dafzor]

It also doesn't respect scaling making it unusable on "small" 4k displays.

[@jamnor]

Krita sees no point in bothering with this until color calibration is possible. They need to port to Qt6 too, which is in progress, but will take quite a long time due to the sheer number of downstream patches Krita carries just to work cross-platform with reasonable performance. One of the biggest challenges is that Qt 6 dropped support for Angle, an alternative graphics API to OpenGL that works well on Windows. Windows' OpenGL driver support is awful, which results in awful performance. So they're going to need to backport the entire API to Qt6 or maintain a separate canvas for OpenGL (Linux), DirectX (Windows), and Metal (macOS). Which will result in significantly more work when it comes time to upgrade from Qt6, either way. Some may diminish the importance of Windows as a platform for Krita, but most users of Krita are on Windows or macOS, and the fact is that both of these platforms have reliable color management. Linux is holding Krita back right now, and that's sad.

[@mgord9518]

​@@jamnorWhy aren't they switching to Vulkan? I understand it's a huge change, but probably easier than creating 3 backends.

[@jamnor]

@@mgord9518 I'm not dumb enough to link to a webpage in a KZbin comment lest I be permanently shadowbanned, but look up "Krita, OpenGL and Qt" on the website named valdyas. That should give you context on where they were at 4 years ago. Bottom line, Krita actually runs on an abstraction of all the graphics APIs like Vulkan, DirectX, etc. ANGLE is the abstraction they were working on. But they need to make a decision whether to completely rewrite the code to depend on a new Qt renderer or backport the current one. It isn't clear which is the better decision from a maintenance perspective. Edit: Also, Vulkan only solves Windows and Linux, but macOS is trickier due to not having any support for Vulkan. I don't know how Qt works so I don't know if working with Vulkan directly is just hard or something. More detail in the article.

[@tato-chip7612]

I think wine should get a vote on wayland upstream

[@zlice0]

if something like this was there at the start. x would probably be dead already

[@Anonymous-hg6ce]

I would mention Steam instead of Discord. So many slow downs, because of of X11 :(

[@raute2687]

linux gaming is already so good that I haven't used windows on any of my machines for two years now. Seeing it get even better is just amazing.

[@tomverlaine728]

Only comes down to anticheat now, I only boot windows for pubg with the boys

[@PokeRuto898]

​@@tomverlaine728and VR. It's very wonky rn

[@АндрейШевченко-б2ь]

Same, windows only for games with garbage abticheat like Supervive

[@cameronbosch1213]

The funny thing is that those anti-cheats CAN work, in fact, many newer games DO have their Proton and/or Linux compatibility enabled. It's mostly older games (games that predated the Steam Deck) or games that are from garbage companies (like EA) that don't have it enabled. I did try a game that had Easy Anti-Cheat, and it did have Proton support. It wasn't for me, but it did work under Linux! Support the good developers, don't support the asshats!

[@MegaManNeo]

I think this is good progress. Personally I don't care too much about the Discord update that's long overdue and has been a thing of the past for third party clients for a while now, Wine and thus Proton receiving true Wayland support however is also a huge step forwards for Valve's future ambitions, which we all benefit from. Be it the SteamDeck, standalone SteamOS 3, Steam on ARM or Deckard.

[@desktorp]

We can now say that HL3 will probably actually be done before Wayland.

[@theweez510]

Xwayland is fine… for now. Wayland is the future and I am glad to see it is making some serious progress feels like we have been talking about it forever in the Linux community.

[@necuz]

Proton on Wayland is so close to making XWayland obsolete for gaming, but there are some serious showstoppers left like mouse input not always working and no dxvk-nvapi.

[@tux_the_astronaut]

And a more minor issue that steam overlay doesn’t work but thats on valve to fix not wine Also sometimes some games u cant change resolutions on Wayland but recently thats becoming less and less of a issue as more games started working with that again

[@Viesta]

no autoclicker for wayland either. ;(

[@kendawg_mcawesome]

I've actually been testing out the Wayland driver for a while on applications (I run Arch btw), and it's been working surprisingly well. The main issue I've ran into has indeed been issues with things like dropdown menus, which behave erratically, appear in the wrong location, interact strangely with mouse-clicks, etc. But it is honestly usable in some pretty esoteric apps I've been using. It's very exciting to see it continue moving forward. Hilariously, for some applications it was actually better than XWayland Wine since I'm running an nvidia card (I got it for an absolute steal, don't judge). But XWayland works a lot better under nvidia now, but definitely not without problems, so still hyped to see this move forward.

[@Mr.Finkel]

hey new mic arm finally. nice!

[@act.13.41]

I thought I was the only one noticing.

[@low-key-gamer6117]

I cannot believe how much wine gaming has come. In 2019, when I started linux journey, gaming was hell, nothing worked. Today, even AAA games work, using just the system wine, not proton, the system wine and lutris!!!

[@merthyr1831]

Proton and WINE are actual magic. From buggy spaghetti messes for simple games to "Oh I just attached an RX6700 to my RISC-V dev board, here's Witcher 3 running at 15fps" in a few years.

[@madscientist8990]

​@@merthyr1831I think you forgot to mention dxvk and vkd3d ;)

[@subatomicmolecules]

8:54 And with this, I wonder why the hell anyone, even Kent Overstreet, thought including bcachefs in the kernel would be a good idea...

[@bes12000]

I went into the wine 9.22 registry and made sure wayland was being used and then X11 as fallback, no issues so far.

[@acidiclight]

"if it's a native linux title, that uses a game engine that supports wayland..." hmmmmmm.... I know oner! I know one! I know one!

[@Wkaelx]

War thunder and Enlisted are the only (major) ones that I know. (biggest misinformatio I've ever spread)

[@softwarelivre2389]

Why does this look like a Socially Distant reference?

[@Creepus_Explodus]

@@Wkaelx WarThunder runs on XWayland and has no way to enable Wayland as of yet

[@Wkaelx]

@@Creepus_Explodus Oh, really? It works so well I thought it was native.

[@acidiclight]

@@softwarelivre2389 Because I just got Wayland support working in the game about 4 days ago-ish. It now prefers Wayland by default. :)

[@SriHarshaChilakapati]

Pretty good video, but just a minor correction: Not all systems support gamescope, especially the ones running NVIDIA cards in hybrid mode. Gamescope outright crashes on these systems, and we just run Proton without gamescope. The downside is that without it, games do run, but compositor will always force VSync.

[@piman13_71]

Huh… that explains a few things

[@SomeRandomGuy105]

On the wiki for a game series at their running on Linux guide (the guide was with Lutris), at their minimizing input delay section, they gave the instruction of setting these environmental variables to 0, stating it will disable vsync: dxgi.syncInterval d3d9.presentInterval Could these work for playing games with VSync off on Gamescope unsupported hardware?

[@DavidCoutinhoCG]

I'm definitely having this exact same issue, I made my desktop a setup for hybrid graphics with my Ryzen 7 5700G and an RTX 2060, my Ryzen graphics works fine, i mostly play old games, but with NVIDIA RTX 2060, i couldn't play once since i've configured this NVIDIA Prime config, so looking at your comment it all makes sense, my gamescope is the latest version i've build from scratch, wayland 1.23 even xwayland is version 24.1.2 NVIDIA driver 560.35.03, works flawlessly outside wine, only wine is having issues with it, i thought it could be egl-wayland issue, i thought it could be gamescope, nvidia driver, i thought it all, but i just couldn't imagine it was wine itself, anyways i'm going to wait.

[@DavidCoutinhoCG]

tried running the game with my gpu without gamescope and it opens the window but black screen.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Can't KDE Plasma have VSync disabled for full-screen applications in the display settings? I know it's possible on their Wayland driver!

[@matan-h]

It seems like brodie is watching linuxEXP and nick is watching brodie back 😂. this is the exact section linuxEXP say he forgot last week.

[@Scoopta]

I don't even have XWayland installed on my systems. The machine I use for gaming has a dedicated gaming container and that container has gamescope and XWayland which is used to display to the host compositor but the host does not have any X support. Been that way for a few years now actually.

[@NiffirgkcaJ]

These advancements are making me so happy! 🥺

[@juipeltje]

It's nice to see progress being made on this. I pretty much just game only on x11 at this point because running games in wayland underneath xwayland often causes problems for me with 2 monitors connected. Games always render on the wrong display by default, and not every game supports changing the monitor to render on in it's settings. Hopefully this won't be a problem anymore when wine goes full wayland.

[@abd5139]

3:59, a lot of text editors and ide for developpers are not native, vscode is not by default, Jetbrains is working on it so that is cool

[@shogeki]

Maybe one day we can get a native wayland Steam client, too.

[@AlexMax2742]

Good. X was long been a thorn in *NIX's side, built for paradigm that no longer exists, used only because it won a 30 year old popularity contest as an open protocol that could bridge the gap between an ecosystem of incompatible proprietary *NIXes. It's about time to put it out to pasture.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

The maintainers for X11 and Xorg even agree with you lol

[@autohmae]

It's still gonna be a couple of years for all the major features being available.

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

As soon as another system supports things like open GUI tools via a SSH connection as seamlessly as with X11 right now I will agree with you

[@mirzahadzic8666]

It is amazing that Direct3D to Vulcan translation is not with 80% performance penalty.

[@SIackware]

I don't play video games except Hello Kitty Island Adventure occasionally, but this is great news for linux gaming!

[@chloe-sunshine7]

When that outro music hits 💃

[@TechJolt3d]

Discord was my last blocker on x11, and now its fixed. I literally have no reason to not use Wayland as far as I'm aware (except for alacritty on gnome wayland, but I can live with that).

[@zlice0]

not bc the floating wm's all suk or overall arch is a lie and still eh ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@TechJolt3d]

@@zlice0 I had a stroke reading this

[@TheMrFanyx]

@@zlice0 holy shit random ass voidlinux contributor

[@zlice0]

@@TechJolt3d lol. x bad, wayland bad. everything bad.

[@no_name4796]

Omfg, wayland gnome ad their broken titlebars (because they actively CHOOSE not to implement a fallback csd) is simply crazy Probably the biggest reason i switched to kde. Kde only problem, is that's bloated, but nothing a good old script cannot fix.

[@maxheadrom3088]

What are the best maps on Wayland? 😁😁😁 It's really awesome! I remember watching a video about how X11 was antiquate and how Wayland had huge advantages! Nice!!!! Gaming is the last frontier for a lot of Windows users - people who would rather use Linux if it was possible.

[@asdkant]

Year of the Wayland desktop here we goooo

[@Wkaelx]

Will Proton GE make Wayland default on the next release? Before Valve make it oficial on Proton(the normal one).

[@Triro]

lol we're getting native wayland in wine before global hotkeys. How awesome. 💀

[@pcallycat9043]

Looking forward to Wayland actually being usable for more than just the primary desktop situation, and no need for xwayland. Frankly, until some quirkiness with gesture support, and hybrid gpu support gets worked out, my laptop will stay on x11. The reality is, there is just so much functionality missing from Wayland, whether it’s missing protocols or poorly supported functionality by apps and compositors, that I lose more time dicking around with it than doing anything useful or entertaining (again, on my laptop). On my desktop, it’s a much smoother experience, and generally only fall back to x11 when it’s time to deal with screen sharing and capture

[@michadybczak4862]

Been playing BG3 over a year on Wayland (as on XWayland) and had no issues whatsoever.

[@SlyEcho]

I think they are also missing server-side decorations, unless one likes win98-style titlebars

[@tux_the_astronaut]

Ye hopefully they get ssd support tho that will likely be one the last things they add since its not needed to make things work for now

[@SlyEcho]

@@tux_the_astronaut It's also very easy to do, I mean in general, I have no idea how complex the Wayland code in Wine is.

[@cheako91155]

Clipboard support is crucial for any login screen, Batnet comes to mind but MMOs would be unusable without working clipboard support.

[@ForeverZer0]

I will never understand why the Wayland protocol forbids applications from even querying the global position of the window. If security is the argument, the negligible gain of it compared to it breaking a significant number of application and/or forcing hackish workarounds is not worth it. I wish they would just let go and add it to the protocol.

[@WMan37]

Hey as long as I can click back into warframe and have it recapture my cursor without issues and not needing to open up the steam overlay (which doesn't work if you have ANYTHING ELSE in launch options like gamemoderun or DXVK parameters set) after clicking away onto a portrait mode monitor I am all for whatever gets me there. And clipboard does matter for video games, that's how third party trading websites do certain things.

[@BinaryCounter]

I am actually experimenting with Wine Wayland right now. I have a very specific usecase that doesn't work yet: Windows apps that use OpenGL ES. I'm trying to get ARM64 Windows games to work on an embedded ARM device (Specifically the Unity engine). And the Wine Wayland EGL backend heavily relies on desktop GL. Funnily enough the Wine Android EGL backend **only** supports OpenGL ES. So i might frankenstein that one into the wayland backend to get my stuff working....

[@Reaya]

I hope they fix the performance issues that native Wayland wine has, because I did tests with it and it actually performs slightly worse than running wine through Xwayland.

[@redrj]

the awkward teenage unstable years of wayland are sure to end... any minute now...

[@autohmae]

More like 1051200 minutes.

[@KSores]

but when the game uses xwayland my discord hotkeys work 😂

[@taylor-worthington]

This is all awesome for efficiency. However, in general there is an oddly high amount of emphasis on touting user security through the GUI, but not on other things. GUI security is definitely a good thing, but see if what it translates to is stifling local devices, and stifling functionality compared to what can really be done in a pure UX sense (looking at you Gnome). Be looking out for worsening DRM-type (Richard Stallman-type) problems as well. I hope this maintains a positive course to security becoming an enabling force for better user freedom and experience.

[@ronny332]

Seems like a lot of people just don't care. I took a Windows XP machine "offline" at the beginning of this year. Its home was the office on my neighbors property. The machine was perfectly clean, like the office itself, everything like new. Some day he said "I heard you know computers" (the usual sentence we all should know 😀). "My banking website is not working anymore since I got the new credit card". I really thought, judged by the overall perfect condition of everything, the machine has to be a Win7 OS, but it really was Windows XP, Service Pack 2, used for banking until the end of 2023. Firefox was installed, but it looked like he used Internet Explorer most of the time. The machine was/is a Siemens Fujitsu from 2002 and now part of my collection 🙂. And no, he hasn't payed a cent for the upgrade. My reward was that old machine.

[@anikethkumar904]

This is awesome, Linux gaming, seems to be getting better every day!

[@Sw3d15h_F1s4]

playing gw2 on steam on xwayland(judging from the video) while watching tbh. i haven't had any issues. only issue ive had was helldivers 2's weird silver border around the screen, fixed by using gamescope. except it likes to launch on whatever monitor i've clicked last, and changing graphics settings inside helldivers 2 when using gamescope will just crash the game. nixos btw.

[@meoowdypardner]

i have an amd gpu and cpu on arch, when i switch to wayland i get a steady 160 fps on elden ring instead of 100-120 on x11

[@Bagginsess]

With wayland getting closer and closer to "completion" I wonder if the suckless devs will make their own wayland version of DWM, ST, and Dmenu. I know there are other projects that achieve that to a degree but it would be cool to see nonetheless.

[@dafzor]

Which chromium browsers or application default to Wayland? Last time I checked none did and forcing it was still buggy. So saying it's only discord seems a massive understatement

[@moarjank]

I'm pretty sure Thunderbird is Wayland by default

[@celdaemon]

@@moarjank Thunderbird doesn't use chromium

[@GardenData61371]

I use Wayland btw

[@iodreamify]

I wonder what Valve's plans for Steam and Proton on Wayland are and if it's even something they're thinking about yet or if they have bigger fish to fry

[@samsh0-q3a]

likely in the cards but at this point i dont think its a priority 😂

[@renner0395]

They don't have a choice, do they? Want to make an HDR Steam Deck? Wayland is the only way to make that work! A new hardware feature that doesn't exist yet? Will be implemented in Wayland sooner or later. Forget X11 nobody cares.

[@autohmae]

My guess is they would try and help Wine improve this so it will be available for the next release so they can use it by default

[@zlice0]

another youtuber just covered the same thing i think and mentioned that. another aussie guy iirc? but they are still on 32bit too...would rather have 64bit steam first

[@PS3PCDJ]

Wayland: One step forward, twenty steps back

[@Scoopta]

Wine is definitely a huge show stopper but I'm not sure it's as important as you let on? The overwhelming majority of Linux native titles lack wayland, and yes most titles are wine but unity games, etc are typically Linux native. Lots of native titles can be finagled into working but lots can't and lots have bugs when you try to coerce them. I'm hugely excited for wine wayland but unfortunately I just don't see that being the end of XWayland for gaming quite yet. Your title is more accurate than your closing statement.

[@mkyral]

There is one more big group of non Wayland apps - all java applications

[@tux_the_astronaut]

I tried using proton with Wayland but had to switch to the tkg branch since steams runtime doesn’t have the libraries the Wayland driver needs. Over the past 6 months ive been able to use lay a number of games with wines Wayland driver and its good for the games that work with it. However if the game is made in a engine besides unity unreal or godot there is a good chance input won’t work at all or if the game has a anticheat it might throw a fuss and not let you play. So unless you like to test the latest features, you should stick to Xwayland for now

[@BrazilMentionedHueHue]

Props to Remi by splitting into many MRs

[@HelPap]

X11 and DirectX were designed in an era when security was not considered an issue. Wayland in contrast was deseigned with security in mind. So it is clear that it is more restrictive. I think it is quite a task to find work-arounds for some of the "features" of that legacy protocols.

[@firstlast-tf3fq]

FWIW, if you’re on arch you can get a version of discord that’s patched to use the system’s version of electron from the AUR

[@Ph42oN]

No, gamescope on top of your desktop is not a good experience. It breaks variable refresh rate and that is not good experience compared to having it. I guess it is fine if your on old monitor that doesn't support it, but it really is huge improvement to smoothness in games that don't run at very high fps. Over the last year i've been testing wine on native wayland every now and then. Every time i went back to xwayland due to something not working normally. With 1 game i've been having issue that it freezes on loading screen with native wayland, when i tried wine 9.14 at first it did same again, but that problem was gone after i created new wineprefix. But few weeks later that problem randomly came back and i didn't want to bother trying to fix it again and just went back to xwayland.

[@ConorHanley]

Can't we have Linux as a game free safe space. Just say no.

[@Scoopta]

That windows version of firefox doesn't look that old. The top bar makes it look old but the icons make me think it's rather newish

[@citywitt3202]

Has pcsx2 gone back to working on Wayland support yet?

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

Is there like a good video that on a technical level explains what x-wayland is?

[@_nishantk_]

now if we can get unattended remote access, we can say that wayland is usable for general public

[@drpainsjourney]

I can care less. Never gamed, nor never will. BUT! Happy for you that do it. Have fun!

[@waxlbloh6450]

it doesnt metter if proton still doesnt build it by default

[@raughboy188]

Well... I'd wait before i go all in on wayland gaming so games that are well supported on proton api are good way to try it and see if it works as intended.

[@morxemplum]

Christmas came early for us Linux users!

[@emptor543]

I don't harbor any particular special love for Wayland per se. However, it is fast becoming the case that unless you have older hardware, you will soon be missing out on what is increasingly considered baseline features. I wonder what percentage of "using X11 until death" users are clones of Richard Stallman on Thinkpads from 2012.

[@DavidCoutinhoCG]

I'm totally patient, i plainly play old games, so i'm not crazy anxious, i have issues with WINE with NVIDIA Prime setup, it refuses to use my GPU, only my CPU graphics and i use dual monitors, of course I'm not making a crazy setup of one screen displayed in two monitors, i have a old monitor for text stuff and one for playing and working, when they launch the version 10.0 i will mostly be working here so i can wait months no problem. and this only happens with wine games, emulators and other software works fine with NVIDIA Prime so, let it be...

[@jordan.ellis.hunter]

I'm excided, I want to wayland everything.

[@jeredek9901]

Holy shit this is so hype

[@CEOofGameDev]

Wow, World Wide Wine on Wayland Wins.

[@karpfenboy]

nice :) xwayland apps still feel very clunky sometimes

[@thingsiplay]

Today I started playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake on my Wayland session session, and it has tearing. KDE has an option to force tearing on fullscreen, I totally forgot this was enabled. Will disable it. But this would be super annoying if I had to enable or disable the option based on what game I play.

[@supremesonicbrazil]

So I suppose the only real worry now is native Linux programs not compiled for Wayland (which means every native and non-FOSS Linux game up until now I guess?) that still require XWayland to even boot. Given I have a bunch of (and almost exclusively only buy) those, I guess XWayland it is until the end of time indeed. Unless devs start waking up and fixing their shit (which they never do, but they should - that includes actually having the native port to begin with).

[@ArchLars]

2024 was the YEAR of WAYLAND. What will 2025 be?

[@alexanderstreng4265]

I’m probably going to see dreams about wayland today.

[@sourcerer_]

If wayland will be ready, i could finally switch from PCI passthrough Linux gaming to my gentoo wayland only setup. I don't use Xwayland, just wayland for my case is enough. Shame that Krita still depends on X, or LMMS. Inkscape is clunky to use (but i will try my best). For DAW there's Ardour.

[@X11R11]

What's wrong with using xwayland though

[@rchltmedia]

wayland everywhere... as consequence, i deleted X11 GNOME session. i still use it on XFCE4 but not GNOME.

[@AlucardNoir]

Wayland is getting there. Its not there yet, even on AMD but it's getting there. I just wish the BS "it's not ready only on Nvidia" would die out though.

[@maen5551]

Every time i watch a video about Wayland i try it on my PC running Manjaro and yep i just get a black screen with a laggy cursor when choosing plazma(Wayland).

[@cheako91155]

Note, almost nobody of the group who abandoned working on Xorg worked on wine's wayland support. Proving they only care about control, they don't care about the users and should all be banned from working on Wayland and causing further damage.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Wdym?

[@cheako91155]

@@cameronbosch1213 Only ppl who have the users best interests in mind should be allowed to contribute to the repo that everyone pulls. The guys who abandoned Xorg and haven't reached feature parity with Xorg seem to fall into that camp.

[@pup4301]

I just thought of a way to fix the screen movement issue. I will include in all my applications and maybe include in the applications I use a Dbus api that will allow it to move on the screen.

[@sakitoshi]

wake me up (or better said, my dad) when wine can run autocad and solidworks. that is the only thing stopping my old man from switching to linux.

[@TjMastery]

as far i know linux have its own alternative for cad( forgot the name) wich is not as complete as autoCad but its getting there.

[@paulemeister42]

​@@TjMasteryDo you mean Free CAD?

[@framegrace1]

@@TjMastery Please stop answering that to this sort of questions. Is not helping anyone. The answer to "wake me up when Airbus A320" is available on this country, is not "do you know you can pilot Boeings there?"

[@cameronbosch1213]

Have you tried running a Windows VM?

[@elalemanpaisa]

just dual boot for gaming and call it a day

[@hiru92]

not all wine games support native Wayland 🤔

[@zlice0]

good vid :) "not because it's more buggy" - actually yes it is lol, wine in general broke some things not just bc wayland some wine stuff is better but everyone go test games in wine+wayland, especially old ones. jfc it's so busted also everyone should test wow64 in wine

[@BrodieRobertson]

It might be more buggy but it's not because it's suddenly more buggy, inherently having more users trying out more things will lead to more discovery

[@zlice0]

no i mean regressions x-x

[@SB-qm5wg]

Nix gaming is still a pain. game Devs don't care about it and break it with updates all the time.

[@silak33]

I installed my first distro 2 days ago, what am I even doing here ^^'

[@mariniack]

Wayland merge soon color management). Obviously 2025 year of wayland.

[@Chirp_Bunny]

Let's go Wayland, I can't wait!

[@s9209122222]

I fail to play games on native Wayland Proton in HDR.

[@budgetarms]

W's in chat, indeed

[@tristen_grant]

Much better monitor arm.

[@celdaemon]

Noooo, it's not running wayland by default yet? Awh sad I was very hopeful