The Essence of Anabaptism - Dean Taylor - Ep. 001

[@3ggshe11s]

Thank you for this talk. As a Catholic by birth, I'm used to understanding Christianity as something that filters through a priest, with the recitation of creeds and the reception of the sacraments. There are lots of things I love about the Catholic church, but when I started sitting with a Quaker meeting, I saw that we don't need creeds and sacraments, and that the priesthood is all of us. But I continued to be dismayed by those who said the teachings of Jesus are too hard to follow and weren't meant for us in this life. Well, if not now, when? It seems obvious that the Sermon on the Mount laid out what he expected of his followers, with Matthew 25 making even clearer the consequences for failing to do unto others and loving neighbor and enemy alike. And Luther's infamous "sin boldly" essay told me that was not a direction I could go in. Christianity has to be about more than just saying you believe and then going on autopilot until you go to heaven. I grew up around Anabaptists (Amish and Old Order Mennonites), but I never realized that the way they lived their lives was meant to be a reflection of how the world would look if we truly tried to live out the words of Christ. That's what I've always been looking for -- Christians who take the Sermon on the Mount seriously, including a commitment to peace. Even if we fail to live up to the Sermon, and we will, we keep trying. Because that's the only way we can heal the world. Great stuff. Thanks again.

[@MrResearcher122]

Adrian, did you stay with the Church, or become a Quaker? A good bridge between the Anabaptists and Quakers is the sweetly spiritual Hans Denck. He said: "The kingdom of God is in you and he who searches for it outside himself will never find it, for apart from God no one can either seek or find God, for he who seeks God, already in truth has Him."

[@arttyree4504]

I am glad to see such an honest response. I thought Dean's point about taking the Bible without the complex theologies is especially helpful to me. (Of course we ought to learn about historical, cultural, and grammatical factors).

[@patredman3733]

This seems to be the beginning of a homecoming, a confirmation of convictions I’ve felt for a long time. I’d not heard of the anabaptist view before. Now to explore more …

[@bubbawolf4272]

I feel like I am in a similar position… I feel as if my perspectives have shifted dramatically, even though I grew up in what would be considered a Christian family and church. But yet, these convictions are in such contrast to what the western church teaches and believes.

[@busterolney7215]

This is nothing new. There's always been a true church. Most people just don't care enough to find it. "Go in through the narrow gate; for the gate that leads to destruction is wide and the road broad, and many travel it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

[@jamiejay7633]

I think these people are so pacifist that they wouldn't defend their own home properly.

[@melissapoole6400]

I love this video. I wish I had been born into this believing. I was never taught to follow Jesus like this. But this makes everything fall into place for me. This is the truth I have been searching for my entire life.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Keep pursuing Jesus!

[@landonmiller338]

I wish we could get more interaction between the Anabaptist and Reformed perspectives on this issue. Maybe a debate with someone like Jeff Durbin? He's a protestant that I respect a lot but he makes some very strong anti-pacifist statements.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you! This is an interesting idea that we will keep in mind.

[@francisjames89]

Yes!

[@calvinpeterson9581]

Watch David Bercot and one will see the difference.

[@jameskelso5311]

Things are not necessarily simple, and often they are not. They may like conveniently to be seen as simple, unless we have the courage to dig deeper, and the courage to see what we may unearth.

[@rawlyroo5975]

I am not Anabaptist but I agree with everything you've said . It's like an unplugged version of the Bible because over the years people have amplified teachings or tweeted them to suit their perspective . It's not other mens teachings that we need to heed it is the words of God , the words of his son Jesus Christ we need to be interacting with these every moment we can and in our knees asking for the strength and power to act upon these words wholeheartedly. We will fall at times but our struggle would be raw, real authentic and we will know the voice of our shepherd . I think you were referring to the conversation in John 3 between Nicodemus and Christ . This was such a telling encounter . It reveals to us that without the fullness of the Holy Spirit and correct teaching we can't even comprehend what Jesus Christ has done for all the world . We must have such a mighty change of heart and direction towards the teachings of Christ in order to even try to comprehend his words . I am a follower of Christ . I am trying to learn how to do his will here on earth right here and right now . I am being transformed because without His help I am helpless to even understand who He is or what he accomplished. Even his own disciples didn't really understand fully who he was when he was in their physical presence . If we were all following his main commandment to love God with all we have and then live our neighbours as ourselves the world would be changed forever . I'm believe in Christ and his teachings . I do not put great faith in the way his intentions and will have been translated , even meddled with over the years . God is looking for His people to heed him and follow his directions . He is looking for us to try to follow his example and that means to be more like Him and of we aren't being changed fir the better then we have probably list sight of Him and sho he is God is Love .So if we do anything that is not Love we have lost sight of Him and who He is and who we are

[@arttyree4504]

As a former "closet Anabaptist" and now an all-out one, I encourage you to keep listening and thinking with these brothers. Their teachings, and more distinctly, their living application of them, have been a big help to me in being at peace and enjoying the fellowship and serving of these lovely people.

[@YaHa-16-02]

Dean you're the best!

[@Joseph-dl1tg]

Your philosophy is so beautifully simple and true. Thank you! 🙏🏼

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for the feedback, Joseph. We were delighted to have Dean join us for this conversation.

[@Partyrockk]

I love brother Dean Taylor, he's taught me so much. Does he have youtube channel? Where can I get more from him. I can't get enough of his wise words.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Bill. Dean does have other content on KZbin. His channel: kzbin.infofeed A debate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWXbgpR6ebCMbc0 A series of lectures: kzbin.info/aero/PLL_zSQMeqnoUY-WvlP-Tm75uyIl4hpcoN His story of leaving the military: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH28e5aLisSIjpY

[@erdelsantos6667]

I am grateful to God for good videos like this. I wish they had translation/subtitles in Portuguese, so more Christians from other countries (like me here in Brazil) could have access to this content. God bless you

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you, Erdel. On desktop, you can have the subtitles translated into Portuguese by, turning on the subtitles, clicking the gear/settings icon, clicking "Subtitles/CC", and then clicking "Auto-translate." The translations would be auto-generated, so accuracy might be lacking, but it should be helpful.

[@race0223]

Yes, you are correct! Faith in Christ alone! Simple! What complicates the simplicity of Scriptures is the fact that Anabaptist believe in good works and baptism as needed for salvation.

[@m.jenkins8503]

Good thought provoking comments.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

👍🏼

[@robmullin1128]

I was surprised to hear anabaptism referred to as a “worldview”,I found it to be eye opening. It’s sort of like Pentecostalism (with the exception of the oneness Pentecostalism),its a worldview not a denomination.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Interesting comparison!

[@jessicacain7226]

What is the difference between Anabaptism and Evangelicalism? As someone who goes to an Anabaptist church, I am Anabaptist, but I have been in Protestant groups with similar beliefs that say we are Evangelical Christians.

[@jessicacain7226]

I mean it does to some degree. My Anabaptist church is more laid back about some of those things. We don't condone them, but we don't condemn them either. It's a given that you shouldn't swear, loving your enemies, etc. I know if we don't necessarily encourage going into the police/military, but if someone did, we wouldn't stop them either. In my school group which is non-denominational, they told us that technically we are evangelicals, because we are spreading the news of Jesus. Right now, they are teaching the Bible which includes some of the stuff like watching what you say/what you take in and to love everyone. I know it would be hard for them to teach strict Anabaptist teachings to college students, and their main goal is to help us either meet or grow closer to Jesus. I was wondering if it was possible to be an Evangelical Anabaptist, because I essentially spread the Good News every day whether talking about God or living out a Christian life. Thank you for answering my previous question!

[@theoldpilgrimway9129]

Anabaptist theologian Herold Bender encourages Anabaptists to consider reading Church fathers such as Augustine and others. Anabaptists have a general assumption that they can escape from any tradition and teaching. But basically church fathers are also a cloud of witnesses or community of believers who really took faith seriously. We can get a tremendous help from them. So rather than dichotomizing Anabaptist tradition and the church history and tradition, they need to learn from others too.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

You left this question a long while ago. We thought you raised an important concern, so two of Anabaptist Perspectives' advisers comment on your question in a Q&A podcast that we do. Feel free to listen, and, if you want, leave us additional feedback. Thanks! drive.google.com/u/0/uc?id=1I8YKovm3z46C8N4-dZTp6-6Ll0R7RcBj&export=download

[@truthismyfriend4196]

Augustine, the devil's favorite theologian, wrong about everything, read him to refute his proponents. What he did to his son, and the mother of his son, deserves a large niche in the worldwide Hall of Shame.

[@janeEyreAddict]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives link doesn't work!

[@calvinpeterson9581]

That's exactly right, there is no just war theory. Rather it's God's judgement on wicked nations.

[@professionalbiologist7108]

Holy Moly dude Luke 14:31-33 Jesus talks about two kinds going to war and he never said it was wrong and Acts 10:1-4 Cornelius was a Roman Centurion.

[@calvinpeterson9581]

@@professionalbiologist7108 In Luke 14 it's a parable, not a recognition of just war. I don't think Jesus is saying we should build huge towers or go to war in those passages. But he does teach to love our enemies and endure persecution under the government such as soldiers. How can you be the one who suffers persecution, when your inflicting suffering on others? How can a person take up arms and love their enemies at the same time? As far as Cornelius which is used quite often. We must realize that God changes people over time and lifestyles change over time. For example polygamy was practiced by the OT saints, but every time it went bad for them. Same with those who practice against the way of Christ, it might be permitted for a season, but as a Christian we are conformed to his image. So one must ask what was the example of Christ? Were his words true when he said if my kingdom was of this world my servants would fight for it? Were his words true when he said seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness?

[@Hibernial]

God’s judgement upon wicked nations always seems to be allowing their civil rulers to claim authority over them, since they reject God’s Spirit despite their brokenness as well as any ministering of the saints or local churches. So wars, practically speaking which consume capital and the lives of those serving in war, become political costs of wasted treasure and blood. If any people would desire to fall under the guidance of substitute judges who are in truth spiritually depraved and without discernment, then rampant theft and murder will be the price of living under false masters.

[@robertfridley280]

Just learning about this and I have a question. Several Anabaptists I have listen to quote and revere Ulrich Zwingli but even your description of Anabaptism you would be more apt to follow the reasoning of Felix Manz? He had more of a “it’s in the scripture or it’s not in the scripture mentality.” Just a thought.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

That's interesting. Felix Manz and Conrad Grebel were students of Zwingli and certainly were deeply influenced by him. The Anabaptists willingness to test everything by scripture is something we want to imitate.

[@angelajoy6789]

I hope you don’t mind if I ask questions as I listen. I’ll add the time stamp so you know what point I’m referring to. I don’t understand this emphasis on how different Anabaptists are from all ‘Evangelicals’. What I have learned so far is that Anabaptist seem to believe they have the corner market (I don’t mean that disrespectfully) on living out the faith. Of course there are many in Evangelical circles that have taken a flying leap from orthodoxy. But, orthodox baptists, for example, are very much about holy living. We may disagree on some aspects but the drive to be holy is definitely taught and lived out. Can you please help me understand?

[@ChesterWeaver]

Anabaptists certainly do not have "the corner on the market" on living out the faith. Anabaptist theology remains focused there and rejoices at every other sincere effort by anyone else to do the same. Our retained traditions through the centuries may cause Anabaptist people themselves as well as onlookers to conclude some kind of "corner on the market." Tradition is not equal to living faith although it remains an aid to living faith once an inquirer discovers why the tradition has come into existence. Otherwise, tradition is empty. Unfortunately, traditional living faith is labeled as legalism in some quarters. Some have concluded that the issue is either tradition or living faith; it cannot be both. Such a conclusion is unfortunate error.

[@TommyGunzzz]

Don't forget the Orthodox worldview.

[@arttyree4504]

Please do a teaching or interview on War and the Just War Theory. = :- )

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Art, your idea of publishing more material surrounding war and the Just War Theory is excellent. Ways to think about that issue in a Christ-honoring fashion certainly deserves attention, so I'll take note of your suggestion. Until then, you might be interested to know (in the case that you don't) that Dean Taylor, the guy who we interviewed for this video, has discussed war in several other videos which I've liked to below. One is his story of leaving the military, and the other is a debate in which he participated. Why I Left the Military: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH28e5aLisSIjpY "It's Just War" - Should Christians Fight? Debate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWXbgpR6ebCMbc0

[@arttyree4504]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Thanks for responding! I have viewed both of those (excellent) resources--would like still more.

[@drb8786]

Could anabaptist have a dispensationalists ideology? Meaning the rapture and all that?

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

What a great question! It deserves a better answer than I can give in a KZbin comment, though. Perhaps this can be addressed in a future AP episode.

[@georgealvarado4660]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Can you provide at least a simple answer for now? Are anabaptists covenantal?

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thanks for prompting us to reply, George. We’ll try for a simple response. Anabaptists are a broad, complicated group. As I understand things, most anabaptists through most of our history have been amillenial, emphasizing the present kingdom of God and applying many of the prophecies dispensationalists would apply to a future millenium to Christ's church now. Some anabaptist groups, but by no means all, adopted revivalist and dispensational ideas over the last century and a half. However, the anabaptist emphasis on straightforward obedience to Christ and on brotherhood protected most of these groups from some of the more extreme interpretations of dispensationalism--like the idea that the Sermon on the Mount and most of Jesus teaching was intended only for the kingdom, which is now postponed till after the church age. I know that’s simple, but hopefully it helps.

[@Hollygreen88]

The Lord is coming lift your heads! Ye ransomed saints rejoice! Soon shall we meet Him in the air, And answer to His voice. 1 Thessalonians 4: 14 - end 😊

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Amen!

[@blueridding]

So what about when the Bible contradicts itself? I just don’t see how anyone can see themselves as “simply following the Bible without complex interpretation” because there must always be some level of interpretation

[@calebguse5669]

Where do you feel the Bible contradicts itself?

[@asgrey22]

Does taking at face value as described in the video mean taking into account the genre, or no? In Catholic exegesis, multiple senses of Scripture are recognized and used for greater illumination such as spiritual, anagogical, allegorical (e.g. typology), literal, etc., BUT theological doctrinal statements can only be taken from the literal sense of Scripture. But literal is defined as “what the author intended to say” based on context, genre and cultural understanding, while a face value reading would be defined as a literalistic reading.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Good question. We have an episode with Dean Taylor scheduled for two weeks from today in which he elaborates more on the exegesis he's proposing.

[@asgrey22]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Thanks! I will tune in.

[@stephengaddis9791]

I believe that way too. I'm not cessationist, or s preterist, not an amillinialist. I just believe whay it says on face value. Some symbols are interpreted by scripture, some are obscure, or my understanding is limited. Similes and metaphors are usually self evident. Prophecy is multifaceted, with literal and metaphorical interpretation i.e. the land of Israel, and the seed of Abraham.

[@huevosatld]

It was not Zacchaeus, but Nicodemus who asked Jesus questions.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Good point! :) Yes, we noticed that when we were editing it, but decided to leave it in so we didn't mess with the "flow" of what Dean was saying. Thanks for pointing it out!

[@deantaylorfamily]

oops :-o

[@shareewalls6032]

Can you guys recommend some books that will give more of an explanation on Anabaptist?? I’m interested in learning more. Thank and God Bless🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Sharee. Many books explain the Anabaptists and the way we think about matters. For an introduction to the way we see the Kingdom of God, I recommend David Bercot's "The Kingdom that Turned the World Upside Down." For an overview of emphases in the early Anabaptist movement, I recommend Peter Hoover, "The Secret of the Strength." I've checked with another staff member. We'll be back with more suggestions soon.

[@shareewalls6032]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Awesome, Thank You so much!!!🙏🏾🙏🏾😊

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

I just heard back from another staff person. He says, "The first book I think of would be Anabaptist Vision by Harold Bender, readily available. Another booklet of about the same size is What Mennonites Believe by John C. Wenger is also readily available online. If she wants the next layer deeper I would recommend Glimpses of Mennonite History and Doctrine by John C. Wenger, also readily available. She would benefit from The Kingdom That Turned the World Upside Down by David Bercot. This last title presents the original kingdom vision quite well and has resonated with many readers."

[@shareewalls6032]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Thank you so much for getting back to me!! Greatly appreciate your help ..🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@johnplain1901]

@@shareewalls6032 vincent and Rosemarie harding. Google them.

[@clearjr1]

I expected to hear something about adult baptism. Isn't that what Anabaptism is about? Also wasn't there a division in early Anabaptism in which some thought they should fight back physically against attackers and the others who used non-violence only?

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi John. Thank you for watching and leaving us a comment. Apparently Dean did not discuss baptism in this interview, but you are correct that most Anabaptists both now and in the past believe that baptism should only be given to adult believers who have repented. You are also correct that, in contradiction to the teaching and way of Jesus, some who were somehow identified with the early Anabaptist movement did use violent means. A strong witness against use of the sword was present in much of the Anabaptist movement as may be seen in article 6 of the Schleitheim confession: www.anabaptists.org/history/the-schleitheim-confession.html

[@bootmender]

So which translation do you think is the most accurate for English speaking people? ?🤷‍♂️

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Numerous English translations, I believe, faithfully communicate the Bible’s message. Some of us behind Anabaptist Perspectives use the English Standard Version. Others use the New King James Version. Others, I suppose, use other ones. Both the ESV and NKJV, though having slightly different aims and methodologies, resemble each other and are faithful to accurately translate the Bible’s message.

[@TrueNorthPatriot]

The Bible implies that God doesn't change and that He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. If he wasn't a pacifist in the OT, then how is he in the NT? Is the NT ambiguous about Christians obeying earthly governments, so long as they don't conflict with the laws of the eternal God?

[@ericasmall4633]

No just war 100% agree

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Agreed 👍

[@josephfisher2324]

I have a question for him but how do I connect with him

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Joseph. Dean Taylor's website is www.radicalreformation.com/. Perhaps you could contact him through that website at the "Contact Us" link.

[@mattwilliams9075]

So, as a Messianic believer, I have 2 questions, I do not want a debate however I am just looking for an honest answer. First, the sabbath. We know that early believers as well as Jesus himself observed the 7th day sabbath. Scripture says by this observance G-D will know we are His people. Matthew 23 says (paraphrasing) do what those in the seat of moses teach, Jesus' words. Or the eating of unclean foods? Jesus ate clean Biblical foods, "desire to walk as he walked" Peter's vision about "do not call unclean what I have made.clean" had nothing to do with food but was referring to people and gentiles being grafted in. These are simple understandings. What is the anabapist view on topics such as this, I am genuinely interested in learning so pls dont take that the wrong way. Thank you

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Matthew. Thank you for the question. As we see it, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Testament Law by keeping its commandments. However, He not only fulfilled that Law, He instituted a higher law with His Sermon on the Mount. The Sermon on the Mount is the constitution for the New Kingdom which Jesus Christ launched on the earth. He Himself became the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest and He became the new Bread of Life. New Testament believers live these realities in the New Kingdom; they experience continual rest in Him on a daily basis and enjoy feeding every day on the Bread of Life. Anabaptists understand that to cling to these Old Testament commands as applicable to believers today, tends to obscure and destroy the rich New Testament realities to which they point.

[@tndiw7264]

Good day, what is your take on Luke 22:36. Thanks

[@jakepatty4350]

Adam do you think it’s a literal sword? Think about the popular interpretation of what the messiah was supposed to be- a warrior king- and compare that to what Jesus is.

[@tndiw7264]

(I have read your comment and pondered What you have said.) after closely examining the passage and praying about it , I do think it's a Literal sword. When I look at the context and look at the situation I do think it's a real sword. (There is a chance that you're wrong or I'm wrong Of course) (Remember, a sword was also a utility tool Back then as well. you could also use a sword against an aggressive animal that's attacking you.) ( When it comes to theological believes we christians disagree on many many different things. I'm not looking to get into a fight over this issue.... I really have bigger fish to fry, so to speak.)

[@La_verdad_es_libertad]

Hebrews 8 clearly says there is a new covenant with better promises, the new covenant from the New Testament is better than the promises from the old covenant. What I found many Protestants don’t understand is what Grace is, many speak about Grace, but don’t understand also includes Jesus coming to live in us and help us overcome this world and giving us the power to defeat sin and the world, and none of that is from us or takes away Gods Glory, because it’s by his grace that we can accomplish it and not by our own strength.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for this input, Verdad.

[@khadijagwen]

Not to minimize anyone at all. I'm very conservative and looked at all sorts of belief systems. When I heard about Hutterites, I was excited but after reading for a time, not so much. I was raised and abused by a very angry Amish man, who, incidentally had been abused... It took me half a life time to get over that. Having talked to Baptists, Lutherans, Mormons, Muslims and lots of others, it seemed clear for a while that the Hutterites were for me. After hearing them share their lives on KZbin Videos, however, I have cautiously decided that Any belief in God might seem correct, until the members cause trouble, or the leaders get too punitive driven by satan. For now, it seems the best approach for me is to meekly worship God, To love Mercy and Justice, and do my best. Micah 6:8 I get quite lonely, but don't know another solution.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Khadijah, Thank you for leaving this comment and the other one in response to Samantha’s testimony in episode 22. It’s encouraging to me to learn how you’re pursing a relationship with God, but I’m very saddened to hear how you’ve been made to suffer at the hands of others. Your resolve to meekly worship God, love mercy, and do justice is wise and honoring to God. In response to something you said in your other comment on this channel, I really am doubtful that your sins are too much. If you are willing, we would love to talk with you more. As you are well aware, many Christians, including Anabaptist Christians, have committed atrocities. Not all are safe or worthy of trust. However, Patrick Matthews is a brother we at Anabaptist Perspectives trust. He would be happy to talk with you, if you would like. His phone number is 717-331-8224 (United States). If you’re interested, you can hear his tell about how God changed and saved him in episode 14 on this channel. Let me know how we can be of help to you as you continue your journey toward God.

[@johnarnold8045]

Dear one please do yourself a great blessing by reading the book "Desire of Ages" you will come alive in Christ like never before and God will reveal it"s inspiration to you.

[@churchofthepresentation7966]

Is this a literal acceptance of what the Bible says - like the world was created in seven days?

[@Erivanalkhaleel]

🤲

[@dorinamary7863]

If there is no difference between the God of the Old and New Testaments, why did Jesus refute so many things spoken and acted out in the OT? Why did He so often say, "You have heard it said" (something from the OT), "but I declare to you" (something new and different, usually the exact opposite)?

[@powers99999]

As Catholics, we believe that Jesus himself is present in the Eucharist in a unique way. His entire body, blood, soul and divinity is there in the consecrated host and when we receive communion, we are receiving the God of the universe into our hearts.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for sharing about this.

[@truthseeker1833]

Transubstantiation is blasphemy. Catholics pray to dead saints that can not hear you which is heresy. I'm finding it hard to believe that "anabaptist" are so spinless to call these things out while also claiming to upholding Biblical truths.

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

Baptism is for believers, not babies. Believe and be baptized, in that order.

[@karenrogers]

Why can't it just be called "The Way" like it was back then?

[@gordonmcelvany8990]

I do

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Karen. Several others have asked us the same question, so we present the issue to one of our advisers in a Q&A podcast episode. You might be interested in listening to it here: drive.google.com/u/0/uc?id=1sM74iASI_XgZwev1Tez8MhX5-gtuOVlE&export=download We welcome more feedback that you might have. Thanks!

[@karenrogers]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives Thanks for the answer, but you just confused me more. I like to keep it simple and just follow Jesus!

[@triggerwarning2982]

So when the Bible plainly says in Ephesians 1:4-5 “Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will” or in Romans 8:28-30 “ And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.” or John 15:16 “ You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.” Or John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. You take those at their plain meaning and hold to the reformed doctrine of predestination? Thats funny to me because anabatists are VERY Arminian. Seems you’re making statements every Bible believing Christian would make and not backing them up with any real evidence. Claims don’t make something true. I’m interested to here how you would exegete the verses above.

[@blueridding]

“Mormons” aren’t a denomination either. It’s a group of denominations that trace their roots to Joseph Smith in some way. There are a number of separately organized churches who call themselves “Mormons”. It’s a common misconception to think of Mormons as the church that runs temple square in Salt Lake City, and that’s largely because that denomination is the largest of the Mormon sects, and they work hard to make sure they are the ones that people think of, making great efforts to denounce all other Mormon groups and churches as illegitimate

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

The watchtower does the Same thing with JWS and their off shoots

[@truthseeker1833]

Joseph Smith started a cult based off of free masonry ideology and preached another Jesus(the brother of satan) the Apostle Paul warned about. Therefore ALL that believe this false Jesus that Joseph Smith preach are dated no matter what sect they claim to be "different"

[@Robofish22877]

Thanks for explaining your hermeneutic in approaching the scripture. I found it helpful and interesting as an outsider. Respectfully, I find it strange how you emphasized, quite emphatically, that you approach what the scriptures say (Particularly Jesus’s words) with a simple receptivity and yet deny the real presence of his body and blood in the supper. He clearly states “This IS my body and...this IS my blood shed for the remission of sins.” Same with baptism, in 1 Peter 3:21 the scripture states “Baptism now saves you”. Am I missing something? Food for thought from a Lutheran.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Jordan. I guess the approach presented here does seem to have internal inconsistencies, doesn't it? I hope that, in some future episode, we'll be able to address the question you raise. In the meantime, I will keep this as "food for thought." Thank you for commenting.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Good evening, Jordan. It's been several months since you raised this issue. Anabaptist Perspectives has an infrequent podcast where we respond to things that we hear from our audience. What you bring up here is very important, I think, so we had two of our advisers respond to your observation. If you wish, find the audio at this link: anabaptistperspectives.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Patreon-Episode-10-The-Eucharist.mp3 Feel free to let us know what you think either here or at [e-mail]. Thanks again for your feedback.

[@ab5879]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives I've stumbled across another Lutheran with a similar observation. I've tried to click on your link, but it says there is "nothing here". After a search on your webpage, I found an article written on April 3, 2021, but it doesn't seem to really answer the question. It only states the person's view of what the supper is, instead of going into why Christ's words mean something other than their clear meaning. This was Luther and Zwingli's argument and Marburg. What in the context of the last supper, where Christ is giving his last will and testament, should make me interpret His words as anything other than literal? And on Zwingli...from my own perspective I would stuggle to cite him if I was in your shoes. Didn't he have a large hand in the drowning of anabaptists in Zurich? Doesn't he also affirm baptismal regeneration in the ninth article of the Marburg colloquy?

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

@@ab5879, thank you for continuing to engage with this conversation. Here's the conversation where two of our advisers respond to Jordan's question: anabaptistperspectives.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Patreon-Episode-10-The-Eucharist.mp3

[@johnarnold8045]

Read on what Jesus said d about His words regarding eating His flesh & drinking His blood: " the words I say to you are spirit and life. " If you believe you literally are eating Jesus ' flesh & drinking His blood then brother you think of how the flesh profits NOTHING-. God 's kingdom is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM.

[@JosephDungee]

13:41 You contradicted yourself and prove a point that God did have just wars that he commanded the Children of Israel to engage in. Against the Children of Amalek in 1 Samuel 15 the Lord commands to utterly destroy them because of their attack on the Children of Israel when they came out of Egypt saying in Exodus 17:14 “Write this on a scroll as a reminder and recite it to Joshua, because I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven."

[@lfrancis8980]

If we are imperfect sinners, how can anabaptist Christianity demand that we follow Jesus, if following him perfectly is impossible? I struggle to not see this as works righteousness

[@ab5879]

Anabaptist: We believe in the Word of God, without a complicated interpretation. In other words, we take the Word of God at face value. 1 Peter 3:21 "...baptism now saves you..." Ephesians 4:5 "...one Lord, one faith, one baptism..." Also anabaptists: baptism doesn't do anything, let's rebaptize you...

[@nessalee737]

They believe in a believers baptism. Baptism means nothing if you dont do it for the right reasons and in the right mind.

[@veritas399]

Anabaptist means re-baptizer, a label of derision from the 16th century Roman Catholics. From the Swiss Brethren/Anabaptist perspective, someone who was sprinkled as an infant could be genuinely baptized after repentance, belief, trust in God. Aka believers baptism.

[@ab5879]

@@veritas399 the historic church affirms believers baptism. Who says an infant can't believe?

[@veritas399]

@@ab5879 When a person refers to "believers baptism", it includes repentance (acknowledging one's own sin and turning to God), believing and trusting in God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ, and a commitment to a lifelong relationship of love and obedience to God. As far as we know, infants are too young to repent, believe, and commit to God. Can you give an example from the New Testament of the apostles or anyone baptizing infants?

[@ab5879]

@@veritas399 you know as well as I do the passages that speak to baptizing families and that state baptism is for your children. Yet again a point where anabaptists, who claim a literal straight forward reading, must say, "well it doesn't really mean that." You say that as far as you know infants are too young to trust in God. How do you explain Matrhew 21:15-16? Nursing infants, recognizing and praising the Messiah? What about Psalm 71:6? David leaned on the Lord (trusted) before his birth.

[@chaddisrud535]

The Book of Acts in it's original wording clearly describes baptizing young children. Why don't Anabaptists follow this clear example?

[@Ryan.gambill23]

Chad Disrud where does it describe this?

[@arttyree4504]

I suspect Chad is referring to the passage in Acts that describes the conversion of Lydia and her household--the first Jesus-followers of Europe. The text says that all her household were baptized. Reformed doctrinarians assume that a "household" must have included babes and very young children. Not necessarily. What the Bible shows us is that people are baptized only when they had made a knowledge obedience to Jesus as Lord. Nowhere is there an example of baptizing infants as an "advance payment" on their future faith.

[@chaddisrud535]

@@arttyree4504 The word describing the household of Lydia used in the original text is understood by most scholars to be referring to families in a similar way to how the modern day phrase of "family friendly" refer to families with young children. A modern day example would be a "family friendly film". We know that this modern day phrase refers to a film which is appropriate to be watched by groups of related people with young children. Educated scholars centuries from now would most likely understand what we meant by the term "family friendly" by looking at context and word use in other forms of media in this century. While there were words at the time of the writing of the New Testament to describe a family in a term like "the house of whoever", the original Scripture concerning baptism in the New Testament use wording referring to families with young children. It describes that all were baptized. New Testament Scripture also consistently refers to baptism as an act which appears to be similar in its meaning to circumcision which was an act for both adults and children in the Old Testament. It is referred to being so similar so as to replace circumcision. There are multiple verses in the New Testament which describe this. Baptist leaders have to ignore these Scriptures or view them in light of tradition as opposed to the apparent meaning of words based on texts written around the time of the writing of the New Testament. The original Scripture, directly translated to modern English in lieu of many other ancient documents attests to this. To the vast majority of scholars of the original texts of the New Testament, the more perfect translation of the Great Commission, is that we as followers of Christ are to baptize all who are under our authority first, then teach them about Christ, so that they may then become followers of Christ. While this translation goes against some traditions which appear to have been created by Anabaptist congregations in the last few hundred years, it is a translation which the vast majority of ancient linguistic scholars agree on. For one to be an Anabaptist, one appears to have to weigh the traditions of their newer age congregations heavier than the conclusions of the vast majority of Christian scholars which have made based on educated research and comparison of terms in the original text in good faith.

[@eliwurz7038]

U don't no wat u r talking about.

[@chaddisrud535]

@@eliwurz7038 Thank you for your response. I came to the conclusion based on studying biblical languages and history during my undergraduate and graduate degrees. I don't claim to be an expert. My focus/thesis was not on this issue, but, there have been multiple scholars who have reached a similar conclusion concerning the most accurate translation and the majority of Christian Churches agree. The translation of baptism Scriptures is where Anabaptisists deviate from the majority of Christianity and nearly every conversation recorded about baptism in the first millennium of Christianity.

[@davidbontrager4223]

If Anabaptism is a world view why do you obsess and worship it. It seems your obsession comes from doubts about your own faith. As a Mennonite prodigal returning to faith I was saved by grace through faith by the blood of Jesus Christ, and became a member of the one true church of God. I am guided by the Holy Spirit through prayer and worship. It really is that simple! God the father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit are one and the same existing through all eternity. We are called to save individual souls. God alone as the creator has the power to save the world. Anabaptism and hermeneutics are divisive when viewed as human requirements for righteousness. God will judge the entire membership of his true church of believers. Only repentance from our unbelief will save the world!

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi David, thanks so much for commenting and sharing your story! You touch on very important points, here. Certainly God saves us by his grace and calls us to repentance and following the Holy Spirit. Anabaptist Perspectives attempts to represent the lives and views of those who identify with the Anabaptist worldview, but we certainly do not worship it or wish to inappropriately obsess over it. Thanks again for your story and insight!

[@patdecker4140]

Who & where is the one true church? By whose definition?

[@machyndman9933]

Nice, but it wasn’t Zachaeus who came to Jesus in John 3, it was Nicodemus!

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Yes. You are correct.

[@dvo1060]

7:48

[@ezandman6804]

Remember Cornelis 'the judge' Appelman. lol

[@sherryhuffman8003]

If you commune your self and have no contact and no one sees you or here's you how then are you a light unto the world ? Jesus was accused of being around sinners and he said the sick are in need of a physician . Ever learning never able to come to the true knowledge .

[@donaldwilliamfry]

I am drawn to much of the Anabaptist theology and yet totally repulsed by its profound implosions in practice. Having been "Anabaptist" for over 40 years, it at it's best has a solid core biblical theology. Yet somehow this theology seems encased with cultist feel that seems unwilling to critically analyze its own theology. The last 15 years has left me very disillusioned with the "vision" (Harold Bender). The movement of peace has more fractures than less "peaceful" movements. The movement of "scripture alone" has moved from the gospel that brings peace to a gospel that equals peace. The movement that stood resolutely with the Word of God and against society now redefines the Word of God through the lens of society. But, of course, mentioning such things makes one disloyal and out of fellowship...just like any good cult would do. Overall, it seems like Anabaptism has more in common with pipe dreams than working theology.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Donald. Thank you for leaving this comment and sharing your experience. Much experience and pain shape your words here. My own experience with Anabaptists has been a bit different from yours. If you’d like to share more, we’d be happy to hear through email: [e-mail].

[@donaldwilliamfry]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives I tried to email you and it said the address was not recognized. Would you like to try mine at [e-mail]

[@doriesse824]

If God gave us a different way to fight, doesn't that mean He changed? What happened to the understanding that when Adam sinned, he gave dominion to Satan who became the "ruler of this world" until Jesus came to free the captives? Then Jesus teaches us the true Father's true will for us.

[@Jarrodjohn2007]

I'm not Anabaptist in my perspective, but rather close. Regarding your comments about "an eye for an eye," Jesus was clarifying a misconception among His audience. The commandment of "an eye for an eye" was a commandment given to the legal system of Israel, and it meant _equality before the law,_ and _proportional punishment._ I.e., _the eye of a king and the eye of an unborn baby were of equal worth,_ and it was _one eye for one eye,_ not two. Jesus was clarifying to His audience that these were *instructions given to the judicial system He set up at Sinai.* These were not instructions given to individuals to carry out in their private lives. Jesus was making it clear to them that there were not to be taking the law into their own hands.

[@joannegolding3538]

I like the idea of taking scripture at face value. But when Jesus says to cut off a limb if it leads you to sin........is THAT what Jesus wants us to do? I’m not being argumentative, I like this idea of taking the word at face value, but this problem is not limited to the Old Testament.

[@TommyGunzzz]

This begs the question: "according to who's interpretation"

[@gordonmcelvany8990]

The word "baptism" is not honest to the text. Look it up in your Greek interlinear . It is the word "Immerse." To dip, plunge or submerge. Not sprinkle or pour as some practice. Read Romans chapter 6.

[@santiagoalvarez3193]

Amén, that is our mission to teach that baptism is by immersion only, for the Glory of God 😃

[@seandmoore6922]

Very good...the only clarification that I would make is that the Bible is not the Word (Logos) of God, Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you, Sean. This is an important clarification.

[@riverjao]

If 500 year old teachings aren’t novel them how much more the Catholic and Orthodox teachings which are 2,000ish years old 👍

[@JohnDoe-vf2es]

Anabaptists: “We just take scripture at face value!” 1 Peter 3:21 “baptism now saves you.” Anabaptists: “not that one!”

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Yes. We understand the apparent contradiction. We asked Dean to follow up and comment on this in another episode. Consider listening to this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHnVf51sjbVqd6cfeature=shared

[@riverjao]

I would submit that we have it totally backwards when we say “well God never changes and since He was ‘such & such a way’ in the OT therefore He must still be that way in the New.” I think the better understanding is: According to Jesus (and Paul) God is EXACTLY like Jesus and therefore every revelation of God must be filtered through the immutable God revealed in Jesus. Jesus is Alpha, not the OT. Our first image of God was with man BEFORE the Fall. And as John 1:18 says: “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained (exegeted) Him.” Every revelation of God must bow to and be filtered through the revelation of God given by God Himself in the flesh: Jesus. Of course the OT is inspired and true. But the OT revelation(s) of God are obliged to submit to Jesus; not the other way around.

[@johnplain627]

The time to stop using the terms anabaptist and Mennonite, Amish, etc is now. We are to be followers of Jesus or the way and that is it. Nobody or no other thing.

[@spartaeus]

It would be nice if anabaptists could understand that the teachings of God (the torah) are a very mechanical way of living and applying God's laws. And what Jesus brought was the essence of God's word so that the word of God could be applied justly. For example if a king or judge always hands out justice according to the letter of the law without mercy, that king would be considered a tyrant. And if a king always showed mercy toward everyone, and never handed out any punishment to anyone for their crimes, he would not be a king. Therefore a king must hand out punishment. But it must be tempered with appropriate mercy. So on one hand you now have for example baptists who believe once saved always saved, and all sins are forgiven by a God who does not punish. And we have anabaptists who forgive everyone who repents, but still don't believe in punishment. There's no balance in either. Both take the word of God out of context. Both miss the mark. God's kingdom is here on earth, and we are it. We have been given the keys to the kingdom, to run it justly. And anabaptists are misapplying God's word, but in a different way. They are taking the metaphors that Jesus used and applying them literally. God does not change. But the way man applies God's word according to his own misunderstanding does. And it's that misunderstanding that brings about unjust suffering. Anabaptists attempt to apply God's word, but don't realize that by misapplying it have brought about their own suffering. Not suffering that was brought about because they followed the word of God, but because they did not follow the word of God. You can love your personal enemy, but you cannot allow those who will murder and torture your neighbors to do so! There must be a balance of justice and mercy. And that is what is out of balance among most anabaptists.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Well, Spartaeus, thank you for sharing your ideas about balance. You've given us quite a lot to consider.

[@spartaeus]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives They are not my ideas. God's wisdom and understanding is there for anyone who questions what they have been taught in the denomination that they were brought up in, and then sincerely turns to God for the answers. If we are truly transformed by the holy spirit of God and have a sincere heart to do right and be obedient to God, and have a strong love for mercy, justice, and our neighbor, which is what God always wanted us to have in both the Old testament and the new testament, we will know the truth. God is not a God of confusion. It's the insincere heart and desires of man that brings about confusion, injustice and suffering.

[@DorinaMary]

So don't you see, God did change if he found a new way to deal with our enemies. You probably don't have conversations with Christians who aren't Anabaptist, but it would be great if you would consider having one with Bobby Collier of the Good God channel. He absolutely proves the OT god is not the Father of Jesus Christ. Can you refute what he says? I've spent many years looking into this and I cannot disagree with him. Thank you.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for the recommendation, but are you advocating for Marcionism?

[@christinecumerford2580]

Interesting. I love the saying .... can you be a follower of Jesus without following Jesus. Gold. Hypocrisy is everywhere. I wouldn't however say that a worldview or way of living or even following teachings is the cure for the world. It is something that only Jesus can do.. to save us. However sanctification is certainly not passive and we need to put off our new self and be obedient to God in Response to what Jesus did. And can only respond in a holy way with the help of the Holy Spirit. But deeds are a response and reflect relationship, and only Jesus saves and cures. May your words and ministry be used by God in a great way to grow the kingdom and draw people to know Christ and live with him.

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

Baptism is for believers, not babies.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Agreed.

[@3xt1Collatz]

Are us as Christians aloud to defend our selfs in your way of thinking. Cause the actual meaning of the translation for thou shall not kill meant thou shall not murder. So for example if I’m laying in bed and someone is breaking in my house to rape and murder my wife and daughter am I aloud to get my gun and defend my family. Cause even Christ when he was being put on the cross did not disapprove of the crucifixion of the two other men hanging with him the two criminals. Cause the man who asked Christ for forgiveness said to the other man who was cursing Christ he said we are guilty of our sins and are being put to death for our crimes and it is just but he said Christ was not guilty of a crime. Christ never rebuked him and saying no you shouldn’t be being put to death. So Christ was saying that just death was ok but not to murder. So defending my family in the middle of the night and taking a mans life is different then say murdering a man who was cheating with my wife. Correct? The he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword was speaking about people going and killing out of anger like peter did to the soldier by cutting his ear off out of anger. Hopefully you can answer!

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Richard. Thank you for engaging with this issue. You raise big questions, but I’ll try to give brief responses. First about self defense. We’d say, no. It is not appropriate for a Christian to physical defend herself or himself. Jesus addresses this in Luke 6: “If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.” Secondly about execution. In Romans 13, where Paul talks about those who “bear the sword,” he says, “They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.” However, he makes a distinction between these government-workers and Christians. While “they” are called to overcome evil with force and the sword, believers are told, “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” (Romans 12:21). God allows for two kingdoms. Believers, those living by the ethics of the Kingdom of God, cannot act on the terms of those in the kingdoms of the world.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

If you’re interested in a fuller treatment of your questions, you may wish to view another video by Dean Taylor where he talks about practical implications of nonresistance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXnJq2CdfNFpqZI

[@3xt1Collatz]

Anabaptist Perspectives so if someone breaks into my house and is going to rape my wife and 17 month old daughter I should just sit there and not do anything? Just sit and wait till there done and then they decide to murder them I can’t intervene.

[@3xt1Collatz]

Anabaptist Perspectives or if a man is trying to rape her she should resist?

[@jodau3974]

A lot to reap that is good. But spit out the bones. God commanded his disciples to carry a sword. Read the context.

[@TrueNorthPatriot]

If your eye offends you, pluck it out. So, what it REALLY means is "if your eye offends you, pluck it out." But wait, the guy doing most of the talking still has both of his. Hmmm

[@jonathansmith7713]

A lot of so-called antibaptist's need to refrain from using that term to describe themselves, as many of them don't even know what biblical baptism is. Sprinkling water on someone's head is not baptism, FYI!

[@davidbontrager4223]

2 Timothy NIV 14Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. As an Anabaptist Prodigal, it is precisely such religious discussion that drove me away from worship of religion. You are attempting to build a religion by adding to your own rules as did the Pharisees which Jesus rebuked as "corban". What would Jesus say if he heard your conversation? Anabaptism has become a nameless God. Salvation is a personal relationship with Christ. This discussion has nothing to do with wining souls for Christ. If you are Christian, you will be concerned more with saving your neighbor through the Cross than teaching a religion. You love religion more than Jesus Christ! Are you doubting the salvation of those outside of your own beliefs or even your own? You make salvation too complicated and difficult. Church doctrines can be indoctrination, not salvation!

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi David, thank you for taking the time to share this scripture passage and your serious warning.

[@joshuamiller321]

Yahweh is a fallen angel. El Elyon is God the father. God didn’t have to change. But we’re duped about the “god of this world”

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Hi Joshua. Thank you for the comment, but I think that you are mistaken. Consider looking into Genesis 3 which paints an image of Yahweh as creator, lord of the universe, and God.

[@araisininthesun5958]

You are correct "God NEVER, and CANNOT change...He is the same yesterday and forever..." God NEVER changed the Sabbath day to Sunday, the Catholic church did. Why then is most of the world worshipping on Sunday, in DISOBEDIENCE to God's word? The 7th Day, Saturday is the Bible Sabbath. Keep it holy, not Sunday. 🙏🏿💖

[@johnarnold8045]

Sounds like basic bible truth to me.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

We just published a new video with Dean in which we revisit some of the things he talked about in this conversation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHnVf51sjbVqd6c

[@barrypotterton.nz77]

Why on earth does he have the bible on his knee? It's open but he doesn't use it. He waves it about, bends it.. opens and closes it. Why bring it? He is very defensive....

[@barrypotterton.nz77]

I like community living but Anabaptists are very poor bible students

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Ouch. We hope our churches and the members of our churches continue to mature where all are persistent and faithful students of the Bible.