The ESSENTIAL Five Guitar Pedals For Great Alternative/Shoegaze Sounds...

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I should have done this long ago, but if you want to support the channel you can now ‘buy me a coffee’ I even set up a membership there if you are an absolute mega legend and want to help me out even more! Here’s the link: www.buymeacoffee.com/thesethingsmakenoises

[@alexmalch]

Advice to people who are the only guitarist in their band: if you want your guitar to sound thicker, it’s nice to use a chorus with a small rate and a delay with minimum feedback and delay time. It will make your guitar sound like two guitars at the same time and it’s really useful!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Great shout!

[@martinvannostrand8488]

Do that, then split it to two amps, dual mic the amps, take out a DI from each, send them to two emulators, send those both to FOH too, add a doubler to all six guitar channels you just created and play it all on a 12 string, IT’LL BE HUGE

[@alexmalch]

@@martinvannostrand8488I’m too broke for that hahah

[@339Jackscarify]

@@martinvannostrand8488 a 12 string with the sympathetics tuned on a perfect fifth. BOOM

[@martinvannostrand8488]

@@339Jackscarify you are a genius

[@JoeHansRobles]

0:00 Intro 0:36 Index 1:13 1 Overdrive 2:58 2 Distortion 5:42 3 Fuzz 7:45 4 Delay 11:26 5 Reverb 14:33 Ending

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

legend! x

[@tyler361t2]

@@thesethingsmakenoises you could make these into timestamps which would get embedded into the video. it takes one minute and is super helpful!!! if you dont know how look it up, theres plenty of guides

[@adibaudelo2299]

Happy to hear a video without blues riffs, and more related to what I like to play, keep it up!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! That was one the main reasons for starting this channel, most of the people making guitar content have a completely different style to what I like to play. Glad you’re enjoying it. ☺️

[@bmoneybby]

💯

[@thetylersherman]

Disturbed by the sheer volume of empty Tabascos on the windowsill.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Haha! What can I say, I love tobasco!

[@thetylersherman]

@@thesethingsmakenoises Nothing but respect for a man who knows what he likes and reps it, lmao. This is an awesome video btw - I think KZbin just read my mind that I was looking for a "wall of sound" guitar tone and this delivers. Came across a track recently that blew my mind - "offense mechanism" by defsharp. At ~2:55-3:10 it builds into a MASSIVE wall of sound (chills every time) and I think this is gonna help nail it. I never thought of just stacking and stacking different distortion stages but makes complete sense. I'll be trying to rebuild this in Helix Native. I'm thinking I'll probably go SD-1 into either a DS-1 or RAT, followed by a Big Muff or Klon Centaur, and then pick a delay VST (maybe a Space Echo) + Valhalla VintageVerb (or Shimmerverb with a modulated reverb).

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Haha! Ahh I haven’t heard that, I’ll check it out! Those sound like really great shouts. When recording guitars to sound really big I find it can also help to double track your ‘big’ washed out sound with just an overdriven (klon etc) dryer guitar to fill in the mids!

[@ItAllFeelsRight]

First thing I noticed as well!

[@andywilx8815]

Hi Dan Great video. Please stop saying “my band” and start saying “my band October Drift” You guys are amazing and more people need to hear you. Forever Whatever is one of the best albums of 2020.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much Andy, that's really kind!

[@blackie75]

Great setup. For me it's 1. Boss TU-3 Tuner 2. Korg Alligator expression/volume pedal 3. Boss SD-1 Overdrive 4. Strymon Timeline 5. Strymon Bigsky 6. Boss TR-2 Tremolo 7. Wampler Ego compressor 8. MXR M234 Analog Chorus I run a modern Marshall so no distortion needed.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

That sounds like an awesome setup!

[@grimlyfiendish7474]

Just checked your band out as well! Excellent! I’ll be following that as well! Can’t go wrong with The Plumes! Covers most moods, stacks well and a BEAUTIFUL clean boost in the middle position!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! Yeah it’s a ridiculously good pedal isn’t it. And for a reasonable price too

[@brakfx]

The DD-7 really does not get enough love! Thank you! I've got a ton of delay pedals way more fancy than this little guy, but I really like my little pedal, so I added a tap tempo to it, and I still use it to this day

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

It’s amazing isn’t it! Totally agree with you. No way how did you add the tap tempo?

[@cygnals524]

I use a Boss DD-8 and absolutely love it. I have an assortment of pedals by various companies and they are all excellent. Boss pedals are built like tanks and seem to last forever. I still have a Boss OC-2 Octave pedal that I bought in the early 1990s and it is still in amazing shape and never let's me down. I just came across your channel and liked & subscribed.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Honestly they never die, and I’ve stomped on mine for years pretty heavily. The switches are just so solid! I really think their ‘dd’ delays are really underrated. Thank you so much for the sub!

[@brakfx]

@@thesethingsmakenoises I just used the exp/tap output on the dd7 :) You can make a DIY tap tempo pretty easy by yourself for under 10$, or you can get one of the ones already available. Its just a momentary spdt footswitch and a jack.

[@thesean3194]

Best guitar/bass pedal ever.

[@PianoDentist]

Love this video and it's great to see Shoegaze still alive n kickin 30 years on. From someone who was there 1st time around! Also, worth underscoring that the verb should be first or early in the signal chain - as you have it - so the verb tail gets washed with drive, to create that ethereal wall of sound. Subbed. 🎸

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh no way really!? I always had the verb this way, but recently tried it the other way and thought I’d developed some new cool sound haha!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I’m gonna do a video on a fuzz into octave reverb sound that I think it’s awesome

[@Hilaire_Balrog]

This is a very helpful video for someone like me who just began learning to play guitar and who wants to emulate in some way the bands he discovered as a youth in college (early 90s). Thanks!

[@dougtolley]

Couldn't agree more, I'm pushing 50 and am pleased the genre is finally getting the respect it deserves!

[@joehoppard814]

Not enough alt/indie guitar channels. Easy sub.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! 👌

[@krystenb.74]

I've been debating whether or not to get a delay pedal-- as i definitely prefer to keep my board really simple. I've been playing gigs with just two pedals (EH Soul Food and an LP B-1 Boost) through my Blues Jr with the reverb cranked and I love how it sounds. But, you might have sold me on getting one-- it honestly just seems like something fun to play around with to create that big wall of sound. Great video!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I reckon go for it if you can afford one. There's probably plenty of great cheap delays that'll get you some awesome sounds!

[@grimlyfiendish7474]

So glad to stumble on this! Hope to see more content from you! I enjoyed it!

[@joaofezasvital]

that jazzmaster + plumes sound combo is a thing of beauty

[@MrJonas1995]

Bluesky sounds heavenly

[@dariagodina]

Great to see how much you're enjoying this! And I'm like those empty tabasco bottles on your window sill: we don't know much about music theory, but the sound resonates with us 🔥 Fill KZbin with great noises 🤘

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much Daria! There seems to be more and more each week haha!

[@TheTwangKings]

Very cool sound. Looking forward to trying something like that. Cheers!

[@daveheys2699]

That last pedal, wow! I can understand why they guy in the shop told you you'd buy it! Maybe a future vid idea could be explaining some of your Jaguar settings if you use it that much? That guitar has always been a mystery to me! Keep up the good work, Dave.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Hey Dave thanks so much! I do love the strymon bluesky! Yeah sure, although mine is a lot simpler than the ones with all the switches on. They’re basically pickup switches that turn different pickups on/off and then you have a kill switch too! Which is actually super annoying when playing live haha

[@adrianjaramilloman]

I think a chorus or phaser pedal added to those would sound amazing too

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Great shouts!

[@joehoppard814]

The flanger will make a comeback. Mark my words.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

@@joehoppard814 I’ve got a small stone somewhere!

[@joehoppard814]

@@thesethingsmakenoises yeah, I love mine. The MXR Micro Flange is an underrated gem IMHO. Lots of The Cure type sounds in there.

[@BellsCuriosityShop]

The bands where I used my Yamaha Phaser were the best.

[@brianr8260]

Dan, I know nothing about playing guitar but I’m really into this. I’m learning!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Haha thanks so much Brian! See you soon 💪

[@themusiclog4858]

Great video, mate. Thank you for your insight. Btw, I went to see your band's channel, it is solid. Congrats!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh thanks so much!

[@uosdwis-r-dewoh14]

Really cool video! Nice to see some live for the Plumes, a word to the wise Earthquaker Devices pedals work really well on bass and its my always on overdrive. Also, a complete coincidence I'm certain but the demo riff is so reminiscent of "If It's Here When We Get Back It's Ours" by Texas Is The Reason ❤

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh yeah I bet it does, the bassist in my band uses the soul food which sounds great too. It was a coincidence, and I didn’t actually know that song, but wow that really does sound similar haha!

[@fahmi9]

thank you for giving a brief overview and listing all the 5 pedals at the start first, instead of going through each pedal one by one over the course of the entire video.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

No probs! I find that annoying too ☺️

[@BubbleBubble-e6l]

2:17 - overdrive 4:58 - distortion 7:04 - fuzz 10:04 - delay 13:19 - reverb 14:07 - altogether

[@withnme]

Finally!!! A guitar video without blues riffs!! Thank you mate. You are a God send. Great sounds!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! That was pretty much my sole reason for making these videos haha

[@starrdan]

Really enjoying these. Keep it up Dan

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much Dan!

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Agree, except that I'd drop a modulation pedal in there, that can do chorus and/or phase. Seriously important for shoegaze/alternative, unless you're just making chunky chunky heavy music. I love cheap pedals, but I ended up picking up a GFI Synaesthesia, which you can do 2 effects at once. I also LOve the Walrus M1, which has an incredible Lo-fi mode which gives you analog tape-like wobble and such. It's so good.

[@BrandonShannonPaul]

Loved this video, and you've got yourself a new subscriber. I know how hard it is to make these, but please keep it up. It's great content. Would you have any advice on how to get that super big drippy reverb sound that exists in these genres on vocals?

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! I have actually been really enjoying it. Hmm I’m not 100% sure on the technicality’s but I would start with a reverb with a long decay, and then recently I’ve been compressing the reverb to give like a longer tail without it over whelming the attack of the vocal. I guess off the top of my head a slow attack and then slowish release. Finally I find like some sort of longish delay that’s also going into the reverb and turned down so it’s not obviously a delay but just gives more depth.

[@TheBlackham]

Great stuff mate. Nice to see a few familiar units in there that don’t break the bank

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks bud! Yeah a lot of affordable goodness out there!

[@b__wenner]

Nice video and explanation of your setup! Have you ever considered adding a tremolo pedal on your board? I have a Fulltone SupaTrem and it adds some super cool movement when you're playing big, washy sounds.

[@HenryThe12]

Amazing video man! I appreciate you going over all of the pedals and sounds, plus the riffs you played were awesome. The sound of you playing with just the Distortion and just the Big Muff was so nice! Also I’d say I think you can give Kevin Shields a run for his money in the cool department 😆

[@jessejordache1869]

From one shoegazer to another, you really can't argue with the DS-1. Yeah, it's got a Fischer-Price "my first real pedal" vibe to it, but it just sounds good, and has a wide sweep.

[@charlescockley7610]

I really like that first lil riff you played.. what’s your band?

[@highernoon]

The DS1 can sound very harsh if you don't tweak the knob to your situation, but it has some cool sounds, and stacks extremely well with others dirt boxes.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Yeah 100%! Definitely all about how you dial it in with that pedal

[@veonnisual]

I've had a DS1 for years as my only dirt pedal, into an entry level solid state amp. It sounded pretty horrible and I would avoid using it mostly. I've upgraded things through the years, and yesterday I was playing with my band and stacked it after an EHX Glove overdrive, into a tube amp, some chorus and delay, and it sounded amazing!

[@anhdang1502]

I stack my Boss Distortion after my Superoverdrive think it sounds amazing

[@dazastronomy]

Plumes and big muff are great on their own, but plumes into a bass big muff (with the dry blend on) is my go to! Love it to get some clarity in chords. Great vid, great pedals, and awesome playing!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Looks like i need to ‘borrow’ my bassists bass muff then 😜

[@dazastronomy]

@@thesethingsmakenoises give it a try! My favorite way to get fuzzy chords.

[@thesameoldstory9858]

Your touch is pure magic.

[@debbieyoung5427]

Great videos - liking the info 👌

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

🙌🙌

[@STRATMAN1969]

With such a minimal signal chain I would make sure each pedal is capable of doing double time. A Rat2, or HM-2 could do both the distortion, and Muff tones. A multi mod pedal like the Oceans 11 can tackle any modulation. Add a Delay that has Reverb, and now with the Plumes, you have still have a 5th spot for something like an Octave, Looper, Wah...

[@onlyusernameleft2]

And here I thought I was basic, but we have extremely similar pedal boards! My drive is the Ibanez TS9DX, same circuit as your Plume. It has additional modes that increase the lows, mids, gain and output level. It lacks the clean boost mode that the EQD Plume has. I also have the DS-1. I sold the first one I got but ended up buying another because it's pretty much mandatory to own one. I've never owned a Rat but I have had that same love/hate relationship with the EHX Big Muff, i.e. one breaks so you immediately by another. I've gone a time without a DS-1 but I've always had a Big Muff. My currrent one is a Nano I bought used, but not the orange Op-Amp version. The modulation and ambience section of my signal chain is a little bit sparse and less bourgie. For now, I have an Ibanez phaser for slow, dreamy sounds and a chinese micro-pedal with 11 modulation types I found for about $30 on Bezos-mart. My reverb is like a third of the Strymon in price, size and features but we only ever use a handful of settings with those types of devices after all, don't we? It has "wet only" output capability despite being mono and has a couple of delay settings. I have a modulated delay pedal on order, kind of an EHX Memory Man circuit clone and another distortion which houses 3 versions of the Rat circuit and a switch to change between them. Both were Ali deals. Less common shoegaze things I added were a compression pedal for clean boost and a cheap but decent sounding multi effects unit that I run through the effects loop of a solid state Fender Prinston.

[@26ruben1]

Love this episode .... well done .. I hit subscribe at 00:30 ..... I have a feeling that we love a lot of the same music and share some similar takes on guitar playing ...

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much, Ruben. Hopefully see you back here for more videos! ✌️

[@lancedurley807]

You should do a longer full board play through at the end of your pedal videos. Even being 5 minutes long, I’m sure everyone would stick around to hear!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

That’s a good idea, thanks!

[@sethlivingston6427]

thanks , i was a little confused at first as why youd need a od, distortion, and fuzz.

[@fixedgear37]

Rat falling apart? Most bulletproof pedal in the planet.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

It’s the switches for me! They intermittently don’t quite click on sometimes

[@zandig666]

I love my ds-1 and it sat on my shelf unused for years With HO pups I use it as a clean boost or a treble boost

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

They’re really underrated I think. Ultimately need to be dialled in right like you said thought.

[@compucorder64]

Very much similar choices too. Also like the third setting on Plumes most too. I think that's the Asymmetric saturation, and it adds more complex overtones. It's the first that's the more the classic straightahead mid-hump TS drive. I like the TC Magus Pro RAT, because it has three settings like Plumes, a Standard, Turbo and Fat RAT. Both do great Kim Gordon Bass tones too. I like the DS-1, but I (slightly) prefer the DOD 250, it's a bit more neutral and full. Earthquaker's Acapulco is a great Sunn Model T power amp distortion that's great for full bore distortion too. Fuzzes, also similar, I like the EHX Green Russian Muff, and the Way Huge Swollen Pickle. The UAFX Del-Verb is my goto for a high quality all-in-one stereo delay and reverb. The DMM digital delay emulation and tape delay, and all three reverb algos are great. Spring is my usual, but the plate and Lexicon-style hall is great too. And I love the fact it's a stereoiser for the end-of-chain.

[@gasparepellecchia]

2:35 this is not simply an overdrive, this is a modulated tone (ex chorus)

[@michelvondenhoff9673]

Jet Phaser (phaser with fuzz if desired) or Uni-Vibe (vibrato with chorus) and space echo (echo & reverb) and gain on amp should do. Rat is my fav ds pedal and yes KC used the DS2. Try the Boss BD-2, it is a high gain od should be a nice addition to Rat and DS-1. Keeping the gain low-ish in general gives you more dynamic range.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Those all sound awesome! Thanks Michel. ✌️

[@RomainBigeardGuitar]

My style is more "dad rock/blues" but I enjoy this channel which I have just discovered, very refreshing from my point of view.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks very much!

[@AMurder0fCrows]

This was super interesting to me. I started off chasing a nirvana based tone, going after a chorus pedal (aria ach-1) and a distortion pedal (first a 70s morely distortion, followed eventually by a DS-2). Btw, You're right, kurt used both a ds-1 early on and a ds-2 later, and that was a ds-2 in the photo. In those early years for me, i loved checking out the old boss pedal guide catalogs because they had interesting ideas for tone. One used a DD-7 to simulate a sitar, so it was always on my list to get, and eventually i did get one. Cobain also used a RAT and recently i heard a sound comparison of his distortion pedals that made me interested in getting one. While my interest sort of floated to more of a gothic symphonic metal tone, i cant get away from my grungey alternative and dreampop dark wave roots, so when looking for more sounds i ended up looking at that specific big muff pumpkin pi pedal! I ended up with the jhs muff clone but i still kinda wanted the pumpkin pi. I don't own an overdrive and don't think i need it being that i have a ton of distortion and fuzz now (dod grunge, digitech grunge, tech 21 sansamp, ds-2, jhs multi muff clone, devi ever's the legend of fuzz, and im still looking at either rhe plasma pedal or the plasma coil and the pumpkin pi as well as a RAT). Ive got that old aria chours, a small clone, and a boss super chorus, and am looking at the poly chorus some day. I wanted to add a dd-3 to the dd-7 purely for a sound listed in one of the boss books. I had a boss phaser but never used it so i sold it. Looking at getting another phaser. I do have an ibanez flanger, also rarely used. I have a black rose octaver as well as a POG 2 that im learning about. Anyway, i found it interesting how many pedals i had out of this list, and since the reverb wasn't one of them, I think I know what I'll go after next if I want something completely new. Thanks!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Hey! Thanks for the awesome comment. Was really interesting reading this. The rat is a truly awesome pedal, it’s great that Kurt used one too! As you mentioned the muff too, something that could be an idea to look at is the ‘Warlow’ by JPTRFX it’s basically an old 1978 (I believe) muff circuit and a rat circuit that you can toggle between. I had no idea the dd7 could emulate a sitar, I’ll track that down as that sounds awesome. I used a plasma pedal on my bands last album, and they’re honestly great. You can get really cool sounds with the gated distortion coming in/out of verses and choruses!

[@AMurder0fCrows]

@@thesethingsmakenoises The manual or sound guide I have was actually for the dd-3, not the 7 (my bad), but if you play around with the 7 enough you can get it to sound like a sitar as well. I'm going to receive the Devi ever Legend of Fuzz pedal soon, and at that point I'll try these things out to see if I still want a RAT or a pumpkin pi. It's hard not to want new pedals, but what you said about the plasma makes me want to grab that as well as the blue sky v2 thanks to your vid. And the other comment is right... Mention your band name so people can listen, the sound you're doing is awesome. Great vid, I subbed

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh I’ll have a go at it! The Devi ever’s look so awesome. Ahh thanks so much! I just wanted to make sure I didn’t turn it into a band self promo. So glad you’re liking it though! 🙌

[@AMurder0fCrows]

@@thesethingsmakenoises she made one called the shoegazer that seems to go for a bunch these days. I asked her if she'll ever make more and she said "someday probably"

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Awesome!

[@bradshannon862]

Which P90s are you using in that baby? It sounds very full and rich!

[@rubendevos8635]

4:26 He used both but the one in the picture is a DS-2

[@TheSavagederek]

I love that blue sky reverb but pricey . The Nobel's OD is good as is the Boss Bluesdriver .

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

It’s great, but yeah agreed! I looked at a tv electronic t2 reverb which looked amazing for only like £100 but the shop didn’t have it when I bought the blue sky. Agreed! I actually had a blues driver for a while and it was an awesome pedal

[@Allthingsambient]

Duuude im a new subscriber...love your videos...

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much!

[@rawbsrecords]

If you have a good delay already id reccomend the ehx memory boy for really weird ambient silly noises, very goofy pedal.

[@THE-CRT]

Kurt used the ds-1 on nevermind and bleach, the ds-2 didn’t come into play until 92’ I believe, even then Kurt just used the DS-2 on the original ds-1 mode.

[@noinever2000]

Great second show Dan...looking forward to the next...J

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! ✌️

[@TheDrewjameson]

When you described the use of a fuzz, I immediately thought of "...This goes to 11..."

[@burrrrrrrrrrrrrrp]

Finally an honest down to earth take on pedals. You don’t need to spend a complete fortune on boutique pedals such as JHS, chase bliss and the other usual suspects/marketing machines. P.s if you like the ds1, try the ds2 it’s even better and costs essentially nothing!

[@VitaEx]

Loving it was that first riff original? gave me sunny day real estate vibes sounds fantastic nice chain for sure

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks! Yeah I was just kinda making stuff up, although that riff was similar to what I play on my band (October Drift) song ‘Oh The Silence’ but I do love Sunny Day Real Estate. ✌️

[@VitaEx]

@@thesethingsmakenoises rock on I’ll check that out!!

[@VitaEx]

@@thesethingsmakenoises dude I checked out October drift feel down the rabbit hole of songs and so many of them are amazing such a great vibe just picked up a few albums on iTunes ima tell my friends need more bands like yours! Tons of good songs but so far my favorite is probably forever whatever deserves a spot on the forever playlist right next to when the sun hits

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

So sorry. Just seen this! Thank you so much for checking us out. And I am so glad you’re digging it! 🤘

[@brightearps]

sick board. kurdt did use a DS-2. i've found the behringer um300 to be a faithful companion to my alt-board if you back off the gain and eq it right! (:

[@johnf.r6658]

Kurt used the DS1 in the first nirvana album, Bleach, then he moved on to the DS2. Recently I bought the 1 and use it boosted from a tube screamer ts9 Wich sounds pretty cool, and then for more high gain a big muf tone wicker version, really recommend that muff if you're looking for more versatility but also have the chance to get the classic big muff sound

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Sounds like a great setup mate!

[@falcxne]

Love all of your videos, mate. Truly all of them. Had a quick question, how do you feel the Plumes compares to a Blues Driver (if you've tested one)? Do you get a noticeably different tone out the gate?

[@joeyhays5503]

Blues driver isn’t quite as loud/mid-forward as Plumes, I usually have my BD-2 always on and keep a Plumes in front of it in mode 2 with the level cranked and the gain at zero. Pushes the blues driver into awesome distortion territory

[@stephensheridan5867]

Kurt used a ds1, he changed to a ds-2, but for a long time used a ds-1. This change might have came when Pat joined them on tour, not sure though.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh no way really? Awesome!

[@jantelega9310]

Great video, keep doing! May I ask, what amp do you use with these pedals? And a bit more about the guitar. Are these P90s? I really like the sound you get. Do you use Boss DS-1 with overdrive on? I have this pedal, and personally I think it's pretty unsusable on a clean channel, very thin and harsh. Thanks!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

This one would have been with my DR z max jr I believe, but I’m actually selling that. Gonna do a vid on it before I do though! Currently going through a Marshall origin. Try rolling off the tone a little on the DS-1! What amp/guitar are you running?

[@jantelega9310]

@@thesethingsmakenoises Currently I have Blackstar HT20rh mkii and solid state Fender Princeton 65 from the 90s. Blackstar have two voices on the clean channel, one being very clean fender type and other one is slightly overdriven. In my experience DS-1 sounds very thin and harsh one the clean and pretty decent on the overdriven. Btw, I remember the infamous metalzone to behave in the same mannner. To make it sound ok you have to be on the overdriven channel. So, I'm wondering how do you use DS1 in the video.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Sorry I must have missed this. I've actually got a backstair can coming. The DS-1 Can sound thin on its own, but it does cut through a mix really well! I do tend to have quite a lot of bass dialled in on my amp so maybe that helped with the brittleness? Strangely my bands bass player uses the metal zone at points. Sounds pretty sweet!

[@ianandy1234]

Great video and all good choices I think. I have a similar board and like to keep it simple only I can’t live without a chorus pedal. You are right about the DD-7 though the modulation is a thing of beauty. Have you ever tried a Maxon/Ibanez SD9 sonic distortion, like a cross between a fuzz and distortion.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Yeah, I do have a chorus in my board, but doesn’t get used too much although the other guitarist in my band uses it all the time so maybe that’s why! Yeah the dd7 modulation is awesome isn’t it. No I haven’t heard that, but I’m gonna have to check it out!

[@jessem53403]

Thanks for a great video!

[@swissarmyknight4306]

Don't sleep on the Boss BD-2 Blues Driver. That thing is severely mis-named. Sure you can play blues with it, but it has crazy horsepower, way more gain than any overdrive, and it sounds great at many points on the way up, including all the way up. Its a no-brainer for Nirvana/shoegaze type sounds. Turn the gain up until it turns into a distortion; keep going and it almost turns into a fuzz. Wish I'd know what it was sooner. Waza version is alright as well, but there's a subtle difference in the EQ (less upper mids I think) and I like the original a lot better and its cheaper. Its always on my practice board, and always on when I'm playing; it even improves clean sounds with the gain turned down (tighter, clearer, with a little chime added). If it broke, I'd immediately buy another. It also has a really mellow hi-pass filter in it, so it cuts out the rumble, but not a ton. I run the BD-2 before the Op-Amp Big Muff with the gain on the BD-2 at minimum without dropping out. Really tightens up the Big Muff by getting rid of that low rumble (its EQ before compression, so the quiet rumble doesn't come out as mud when the Muff compresses it, got that trick from J. Mascis). Something with a more aggressive hi-pass like the Boss SD-1 will tighten and brighten it even more. Also, Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion is awesome. Sounds like In Utero (because that's what he used on In Utero).

[@ruisousa7967]

These pedals are indeed the most important to buy, but i think a compressor and eq are really important aswell, and people tend to overlook them cause they rnt so obvious.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Yeah that’s a really good point!

[@Helicon1]

Yeah I couldn't believe how much of a difference a decent compressor makes when I first got one

[@whatsallthefuzzabout]

Solid video! I'm actually piecing together what I'd consider the "ultimate grunge/90s rock" pedalboard so I think I'll have to do a wee video on that subject 🤔

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

That sounds great! Will keep an eye out for it ✌️ I’ve got some more 90s alt guitar content lined up! 🤘

[@jasonpettitt7322]

Loved watching that. That reverb pedal ❤ neeeeeeeed!!!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks Jason!

[@mikerhoads4864]

Awesome video, I think also a big part of this sound is the chords you are playing too. What are the 3 chords you are rotating throughout, they sound really interesting 👍

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

It was filmed a while ago, but I think it’s the I,III,IV Pattern. In this case I believe C#,f,f#

[@lukehenderson436]

Have you seen/ tried the DOD Rubberneck delay? Fun to be had there. One thing I’ve wondered for a while, as someone who started out on a solid-state Squier amp (single channel) and went to a 3-channel amp (two modes per channel), is whether Shoegaze is predominantly a “pedals for dirt” genre? It’s funny how some genres always seem to be played with predominantly amp drive/ distortion, and others cleanish amps with stacked gain pedals.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I haven’t no! Umm I’m not sure, I think probably a bit of both. Some people are using amp distortion and some people are using pedals. Actually I use a bit of both too!

[@andsoistopped]

I still have my Boss PS2 delay/pitch shifter on my board from 1987. It’s still fantastic.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Sounds awesome!!

[@Huw_Evans]

Do some vids on how to play some of your songs 🤘

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Will have a look at it!

[@robanderson251]

Great video and some interesting conclusions - am of a similar view. I run into a marshall guvnor which I set as a warm break up/overdriven sound and pretty much have on all the time. Distortions have played with 2-3 over the years - find Rat's like you unreliable and have never taken my DS1 off my board (had it since first in a band in late 80s). Using an MXR Distortion + as well which i just the love the tone of. Then my first ever delay pedal a DD3, have the PS2 too -and then a Big Sky for the reverb... I also have pretty much always used a GE7 to give me an additional distortion type sound and a Dyna Comp as a clean boost if i'm switching between guitars with different output volumes.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Those Marshall pedals look so good! Am I right in thinking they’ve reissued them all now? Sounds like you’ve got an awesome mix of pedals!

[@robanderson251]

@@thesethingsmakenoises I had an original Guv'nor from 1991 after reading that it was the basis of most of Joey Santiago from Pixies guitar sound.. that one sadly died a few years ago but the re-issue is every bit as good as that was. Yes they re-issued all of the original ones, the shredmaster was on the board of Kevin Shields and i think its the basis of Johnny Greenwood's sound on the bends.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

That sounds awesome. You have no idea how long I spent looking at the shredmaster about 6 months ago and gave up because I couldn't find one, only to see they'd reissued them recently! I may have to get one.

[@KawiMusician]

I have that Kurt pic on my wall in a frame, its the Boss Feedbacker/distortion

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

It’s an awesome pic isn’t it!

[@chapersdale]

Great video, took me forever to watch though cause KZbin has decided it needs 4 sets of 2 unskippable adverts on a 15 minute video -____-

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thank you! Oh no way!! KZbin actually learns how tolerant you are to ads, so if you skip past ads in future that should stop happening as much?!

[@chapersdale]

@thesethingsmakenoises I'm literally always skipping them though?!

[@13aphomet]

Reverbs seem to be the only effect you really can't cheap out on. The more it cost, the better it is - usually..

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I reckon there’s a lot of truth in this!!

[@treesurgeon2441]

Eh Slo by Walrus Effects is pretty decently priced and it's one of my favorites.

[@treesurgeon2441]

Or the DigiTech RV7 for a great reverse reverb.

[@joesmith908]

Loved the video mate! I just subscribed 😊

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much Joe!

[@joesmith908]

@@thesethingsmakenoises No worries!

[@jessejordache1869]

Buyer beware about what sort of Fuzz pedal you get. I have a DBA Fuzz War, and it cannot STAND any dirt in front of it. Result is my pre-amp hi-pass/low-pass filter/overdrive pedal (DOD/Shoe Looking Glass) goes "first", then my Blues-Driver, which is my in-between. But before all of those is my fuzz war. Because if you put any distortion, or a wah in front if it, it goes from this really unique bassy purr into "Kazoo run through a bull horn". That's my heavy distortion -- it kind of drowns out the other two anyway. I think technically the Blues Driver is also a Fuzz Pedal, but it's a Fuzz Pedal that cleans up with your volume knob.

[@willumlewis6714]

Nice video. Sounds like you were jamming around on a Fazerdaze tune. (Not that that's bad.)

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! 🙌

[@TheTrouserPuppetsOfficial]

Are these listed in a good pedal chain order?

[@ckdotdotdot]

Hey, great video! Just wondering, what camera do you use for filming these? It looks great! Thanks! :) - Conor

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks mate! It’s the Canon M50. And I’ve got the 14mm ‘pancake’ lens on it.

[@ckdotdotdot]

@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks man! 🙌 your band are sick btw! Cheers from Ireland

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Ahh thanks so much! 🤘

[@neilaspin008]

Brilliant sounds.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks Neil!

[@coleydennis1824]

Great choices! I have a very similar board. I’ve been sold on Rat’s since the early 90s, have you heard the JHS modded one? It sounds killer.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I haven’t played it but it looks awesome!!

[@coleydennis1824]

@@thesethingsmakenoises i also added the Soft Focus which is another must have.😅🤘🏼

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Sick!!

[@randychristmas764]

Watched for 2 minutes and 30 seconds at half speed before I realized it was my playback settings and not a bit

[@ZeBubba]

Very cool tones! One thing I disagree with, though. I love muffs, but one thing they are not known for is cutting through a mix. Scooped mids and all that, cheers!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much! That is very true. However, the op amp version does help to fill them in a little and when combined with the OD pedals that can really help too ✌️

[@ZeBubba]

@@thesethingsmakenoises a tubesreamer into a muff is one of my all time fave tones, agreed!

[@stevenconnor4221]

U missed flanger I have an old electric mistress flanger deluxe that even at a low setting makes the signal awesome for messing about with. Pog 2 is good for jack White type sounds with a bit of fuzz or dist through it.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Fair play! I’ve never managed to make ‘flanger’ pedals sound good. I reckon I must be doing something wrong. Haha! I’ll have a look at getting the electric mistress though as they look awesome.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

The classic ada flanger has the best tone I've ever heard. Not all of the bells and whistles of many newer pedals but it sounds ridiculously good

[@kaydenandrade3138]

Kurt used the ds1 from 1987-1991 when he replaced it with a ds2. However Kurt used the ds1 to record all studio albums and recordings

[@cloverdalepunk]

I would say that modulation is just as important as those 5

[@epix5419]

I love you guitar it is gorgerous. What model is it?

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Thanks so much. It’s the 2016 limited edition jazzmaster with a bigsby. I bought it ‘used’ (it looked brand new) for a great price back in 2017. Unfortunately it’s been gigged to death since and definitely wears the battle scars now.

[@jessejordache1869]

Classic MBV has Kevin Shields use a bunch of multi-effects pedals live, but Loveless was like, 18 months in the studio. Last time I saw an interview with him, this boutique pedal "Loveless" (to give you that My Bloody Valentine sound) was on his chain. There used to be (may still be) this website where roadies, people with a good view, and gear heads would fill in someone's chain, and Peter Holmgren's from The Dandy Warhols was just RIDICULOUS. I'm pretty familiar with their early stuff, and I don't remember them ever using a pitch shifter, let alone being much into soundscapes, but there it was. He had a couple of the Electro-Harmonix 9 series on his chain, like the pipe organ and the mellow tron. I think he needs help.

[@gae7081]

Hi! Nice video! What about pedal Order chain? And how you set the volumes matching amp clean? Thank you!

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I think I could probably make a full vid on that but quickly, Whammy first Overdrive Dist Fuzz Delay Reverb Definitely experiment though, because most shoegaze is reverb before fuzz but I set it up this way for live shows etc. I basically have all the distortions progressively louder, so OD slightly louder than clean and then dist louder than OD and finally Fuzz the Loudest.

[@gae7081]

@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks for the reply, a video on the topic would be really interesting!

[@yungzeusxd9256]

What are your thoughts on the russian big muff?

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

I’ve only ever got to play a clone, but I thought it sounded awesome!!

[@dcalespaul2487]

What about a shimmer ? Love the Cloak by Catalinbread, sounds dark and weird with Acapulco Gold 🤘

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Shimmer is awesome isn’t it! Luckily the blue sky has a shimmer setting on it too! 🤘

[@daveclinton4945]

13:45

[@DirectingSven]

I use the vox delaylab, zoom 70 cdr (very similar shimmering reverb to big sky), fab echo, rat, big muff, ibanez analog delay, daddy o overdrive, and some other oddities i enjoy the boss distortion too good selection

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Sounds like an awesome setup mate!

[@Brati999]

Your plumes have a yellow light. I like it cuz the standart are so bright.

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Do they not normally have the yellow ones?

[@vladislavolshevskiy3049]

Which amp do you use?)

[@PrecisionPointTennis]

Great one

[@brandon.-.5997]

Do you think the fender player jazzmaster with the humbuckers is a good guitar for alt/grunge Edit:dude I love the way you play it’s my exact music taste fuck yeah that reverse delay was sick as fuck stay gold brother

[@thesethingsmakenoises]

Hey mate, I think they look amazing. I know the purists would say they’re not meant to have those pickups, but from what I’ve heard from the demos they look epic! And thanks so much!