The Fake Ancient History Of Michigan | Michigan Relics

[@nothereforit.605]

I’m going to be honest. When a person says unprompted “we haven’t changed anything of what she published” makes me think they did.

[@COSMOKRAT_616]

All these artifacts and not a single one is broken or damaged? Highly unlikely. Clay and slate all intact? Idfts

[@FrogsForBreakfast]

Real archaeological sites are mostly broken pottery and other common everyday stuff and trash. Somehow none of that was found...

[@COSMOKRAT_616]

@@FrogsForBreakfast rightl. It was all perfectly preserved in tact relics lol

[@megw7312]

If they were placed as ‘grave goods’ rather than tossed as trash, they are less likely to be broken and the inscriptions relevant. Knowing where to find them:- knowing what the topography shows.

[@kellywalker1664]

@@megw7312 as long as the grave goods suffer erosion and mineral deposits (unless they're sealed in a container). It is the midwest, after all.

[@benjamindover5676]

You and I think alike.

[@DanaTheInsane]

The guy debunks every single piece of material and a few minutes later the narrator says will we ever have the science to debunk this? They just did!

[@ferociousgumby]

A picture of a cat, a picture of a foot. . . oh come on. This is Monty Python stuff.

[@99subigt]

There seems to be symbols that look like sperm🙄

[@elizabethalli1271]

Nudge nudge say no more! Lol

[@sofia17381]

It is enough to convice the mormons, as usual... 🙈😂

[@domiro8156]

BUT seriously..... no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!!!

[@stuartround]

A great lesson in confirmation bias and the unscientific method.

[@22nola]

That publisher is in love with his fantasies.

[@dnandez79]

Or just more proof that the world governments have been covering up the true history of the world.

[@stuartround]

@@dnandez79 "World governments", you should know when you type out those words only nonsense will follow.

[@troy510]

LOL they are obviously fake. They are way too perfect like someone just made them and said they found them. Not even a hint of debris or scratches on them. Nothing is broken even though it was supposedly buried. How do you carbon date something that has no old organic matter on it? You can't be bias when something is fake. You can't be scientific about that stuff either. They said in the beginning it was seen and tested by pros and they turned it down because it's fake lol. What more do you need to know?

[@ragingdevi]

I like how no one was immediately suspicious that every time Soper was like "Go relax in the shade for a bit, I'll dig", that suddenly an "artifact" would be found and they were only found by him 🙄 lol

[@johndododoe1411]

Well maybe the local VIPs would find a few extra near the one he pointed to. Because whomever buried the stuff did so in bundles. That way, the VIPs genuinely found some of the items. However if the original burial happened somewhat recently (like 1 year before the dig), that wouldn't prove much.

[@ExtraterrestrialBeing-jc7to]

Some people got that eye for finding things 😳

[@planethopper335]

If these were real wouldn't many more sites have been discovered. Having native American ancestry please take your bogus religion an go home.

[@Palmieres]

Wow, those slates look so pristine and undamaged. Almost as if they weren't really thousands of years old... I mean, we see the stuff they found all over Europe, in the Mediterranean, in Egypt, Judea and the Middle East. So many artifacts are damaged and showing signs of time taking its toll on them. But not one slate here is broken. Amazing. Curious as well, how no trace of any kind of ancient ruins or structures survived in the area. So, so curious.

[@lisalesinszki7536]

I’m gonna call my band The Michigan Relics. Oh wait-I don’t have a band. Or play an instrument, sing or write lyrics. Reading the comments has been more interesting than watching this mockumentary.

[@KristiContemplates]

Given your bands capabilities, you've chosen the perfect name

[@PatchouliPenny]

@@KristiContemplates excellent!

[@amadeusamwater]

If the artifacts were made by Coptics from the 4th Century, it would seem that they would have Greek for their writings, since that was language used in both the church and the Eastern part of the Empire. Cuneform was long dead, and Coptics would not have known Hebrew, since most of them were not Jews.

[@jerseyboyce1]

it's true, all the Apocrypha and the bible written in those times were written in Coptic greek, they may have known a form of Hebrew due to location and ancestry, Jews were switching to Coptic Christianity then, this reminds me of the "lost tribes of Israel" myth

[@maxgarbani6644]

Not necessarily.... Look up the geographic proximity between them. Do you imagine people never migrating around ?

[@PatchouliPenny]

Yes, I did have to wonder why anyone would write in a mixture of cuneiform, hyroglyphics and Coptic. 😁 It just doesn't make any sense!

[@rachelLadyD]

the coptics would have known hebrew, for sure, especially in the 4th century, Hebrew is 4.5 thousand years old at least, also I believe hieroglyphs from Egypt are a more stylised version of proto hebrew, or at least if you study ancient seals from Megido site, it looks that way. I know there was an Irish monk John Scotus who had ancient hebrew, it could have been lost without him preserving some texts. The Irish learned about Christianity from the Desert Fathers African Coptic monks, in about 3rd or 4th century the first crosses that came with Christianity was the Tau cross. We were finally defeated by the Vatican when an English pope and English King conspired to change our Easter date to the Vatican version, our Christianity was also largely Byzantine but anyhow, Roman church got a strong foothold after the famine, and brutalised us especially women who lost their status, and forced a new concept on us 'prostitution' which was not in our mythology or brehon laws

[@rachelLadyD]

basically the Roman way was 'people trafficking' the defeated peoples , sex slaves...sadly Ireland was destroyed by that, which was not in Gaeilge culture before that

[@kaihuang4970]

I love the title 'tools leave marks' it also describes the fraudsters and the unqualified 'experts' who keep claiming these artefacts are real.

[@RAM-tc7xq]

And they built the Ark with their bare hands ?

[@-kepha8828]

I can tell by your post that you didnt watch the entire video lol. Shame on you

[@kingjoe3rd]

These "relics" are so badly done that even Ancient Aliens have never featured them.

[@dekyiyangzom2632]

😂😂😂

[@refosco1993]

🤣☠️🤣

[@ashleelarsen5002]

👍

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

It's clear the artist lacked skill, to say the least.

[@ashleelarsen5002]

@@NathanTarantlawriter rude, it could have been a disabled person (that's a Karen thing to say)

[@elisabethb.131]

"If this was a hoax, the person who did it would have needed knowlegde of all these ancient languages." Uhuh, and THAT'S implausible(because who owns books right?) but some early North American people knowing and using a mishmash of ancient Greek, Egyptian, and other early old world languages makes perfect sense? That's like saying Celts and Aztecs must have had teaparties together, because they're both from history.

[@ronpflugrath2712]

So many doubters many keep their finds hidden educated know nothings some day

[@kellywalker1664]

@@ronpflugrath2712 I like salad.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@@ronpflugrath2712 that’s a lot of words you wrote, just to say nothing. 🙄

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

They wouldn't need knowledge of the languages; just know how to copy inscriptions from a photo or drawing of a real artifact.....

[@MrHaighahatta]

Why would someone admix Hebrew letters in a linear cuneiform (inscribed with a flattened stick into wet clay or chiseled into stone) with rounded pictograms/pictographs (e.g., heads, birds, etc.) in the same "artifact"?

[@chrisball3778]

What gets me above all else is just how plain awful the 'relics' look. They honestly look like they were made by young children for a school project on the ancient world... who failed the class. Like the quote from the archaeologist from 1911 at the end says, only people who were really desperate to believe in them ever could.

[@PatchouliPenny]

That's very similar to my comment hahaha!

[@downbelowtheducks]

Off subject but you aren't from WV originally are you Chris Ball?

[@jonjdoe]

"... [P]eople who were really desperate to believe..." The problem with this stuff, also entire religions, and now political parties.

[@TheWhiteMandara]

this is a different branch of art if you look at stone age art it's not that great either. these people would not have had the influence of greek art or the renaissance. look at Anasazi artwork or early stone age bronze age Native American art and this is not that bad.

[@baddie1shoe]

Lol. Your comment cheered me up.

[@chubbymoth5810]

It's nice to hear about these cons just to understand where some of these stories are coming from.

[@mattmatt6572]

I think another thing that messes up origins of entiquities are people who are looting sites they aren't spose to be digging in or when people have stolen items they lie about where they found them.

[@aubreel4576]

If they weren't found in situ and properly documented and tested to determine age and make up of the tablets, they're worth nothing. Seriously. 🙄

[@jameshughes525]

What is situ?

[@Gannon2145]

@@jameshughes525 "in situ" means in original place

[@statlergil]

@@jameshughes525 from google dictionary in si·tu /ˌin ˈsīto͞o,ˌin ˈsēto͞o/ adverb in the original place. "mosaics and frescoes have been left in situ" important in archeology to be real item found and verified it was real and not added later

[@jameshughes525]

@@statlergil thank you kindly

[@Costa_Conn]

There are techniques for dating fired clay tablets. This fraud is easily exposed (if you need even more evidence).

[@revolvermaster4939]

At fist glance they’re too pristine and perfect to be real.

[@EEVENEEVEN-vb5qy]

They are so fake

[@chino3796]

Too fake to be real. LOL

[@kellywalker1664]

Even a non organic burial good (made specifically for burial) would suffer erosion and mineral deposits, especially in the acidic midwest soil.

[@simonsaysism]

The disbeliever side: We used high tech testing and consulted materials experts The believer side: Well, these marks look kind like an "M"

[@hugehappygrin]

Experts are paid liars. I follow scientific fact.

[@jessicaumlor7979]

Thermoluminescence has an accuracy of 10%

[@drphosferrous]

Maybe ancient american bronze age cultures created these in the same style of 1900s fakes to test our faith...lol

[@Lucinda_Jackson]

What a genius the magazine publisher is! He holds up a chart of symbols used on the Kinderhook tablet discovered in 1848 as proof that the artifacts discovered beginning in the 1880s through 1920 are legit. He even scoffs and makes a joke that the people behind the Michigan relics must have then made and planted the Kinderhook plate. A small child could reason that one out and yet he’s turned it backward and upside down to make it fit what he wants to believe.

[@davidmedlin8562]

Same with the "archeologist" fit the evidence to your beliefs, silly

[@Lucinda_Jackson]

@@davidmedlin8562 I’m sorry, I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

[@macshall5741]

Tale of Mormonism.

[@Lucinda_Jackson]

@@macshall5741 Not really. The perpetrators of the fraud weren’t Mormons.

[@macshall5741]

@@Lucinda_Jackson Duh....they were too smart for that but smart enough to sell it to the 'Believers'

[@TahoeJones]

What a total load of bullshit. The "artifacts" are hysterical!

[@ferociousgumby]

Soft rock, sharp steak knife. Voila!

[@wirelessone2986]

No..the artifacts are BS the people are hysterical!

[@marydlutes1792]

Just about as silly as the Golden Tablets given to Joseph Smith by Maroni.

[@positivelygroovylife]

You may be surprised to know that there are submerged pyramids in lakes in wisconsin.....there is more to this country than you think....my pastor picked some rocks out of a stream for me and one of them happened to be a lillith amulet with embossed writings on it, you can clearly see the dragon and the chain of the amulet. This has got to be at least a thousand years old, found in a riverbed downstream from Mt st helens about 6 months ago....I don't care what so called experts say....I believe what is tangible in my hand that I see with my own two eyes

[@revolvermaster4939]

They should have ended this documentary with the declaration of fraud in the early 1900’s

[@sethk5396]

Yep! After that point, the doc presents things as if fringe theories are equal in validity to actual science.

[@UnitedStatesGovt]

We here at the US Government, have been defrauding the citizens of the United States since our founding.

[@genmanion2389]

lmao

[@chrisball3778]

They could have ended it after the archaeologist who looked at them in the 1890's said they were bad fakes.

[@jessesalazar501]

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[@walterchristley4898]

First he's talking about Gnostisism, then all of a sudden he switches over to Arianism. Make up your mind, dude! It can't be both. BTW, Copts consider Arianism to be heresy too.

[@johndododoe1411]

They do after the meeting at Nicea.

[@slothnoise8033]

I think there would be other evidence of advanced civilization in the area. Not only some relics

[@sethk5396]

Yup. Fun thing about archaeology is it's 90% stuff like potsherds, postholes, and middens. Very rarely treasure lol

[@nikkil.a7366]

There were and still are! Mounds all over the place! We need LiDAR to get under ground surface, but even just satellite imagery shows magnificent mounds. I live right in front of a massive mound turned into a cemetery. People need to look and investigate before just assuming.

[@sethk5396]

@@nikkil.a7366 LIDAR measures elevation. We use it to get a detailed topographical map of the site. It doesn't "look under the ground."

[@nikkil.a7366]

@@sethk5396 I’m so glad you understood what it is I was saying :)

[@ferrous3869]

It's pretty irresponsible to end with a both sides narrative after definitively proving these are fake.

[@mesmartgnome]

They kind of have to for legal reasons would be my guess.

[@hanfin9698]

@@mesmartgnome Nope, don't have to at all.

[@D-Rv8iv]

It’s to keep the channel on the good side of the alternative history nuts.

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

@@D-Rv8iv Probably. They're a touchy and militant bunch. "Wake up, sheeple!"

[@SamtheIrishexan]

@@D-Rv8iv alternative history nuts they may be but there is alot of stuff out there that pretty well throws current history especially in North America, into the area of speculation as it is. It may not have been ancient aliens lol, but if you look at whatd factual from those groups it does legitimately challenge the "current" history. Dont forget the history we have now hasn't changed in the last 50 years. How does that make sense when there are new finds all the time. So somebody has an alternate history that may be more correct than the current one. Relying on Professors who have incentive to remain "specialists" canr admit that they are wrong so they will go out of there way to try and prove things false, and less intelligent people take their word. I mean Fauci was apparently the smartest doctor on the block. He still can't admit the truth thats why he isn't on tv anymore, completely discredited by "conspiracy theorists" who turned out to be right. Specialists said the steele dossier on Trump was legitimate, but we have proof now those experts were all wrong and some of then maybe intentionally. You put your faith in a system that is nothing but self preservation. Especially when it comes to history. You think the Egyptian antiquities minister would admit he was wrong after being the world's premier egyptologist. But none of that has changed either. You get my point here? These are likely all serious fakes in this show though. But whoever made them was quite the scholar and workman.

[@Trillock-hy1cf]

So these relics have only been found in the Michigan area in the US, and no where else in the US, and ancient countries in the world? Really?

[@kellywalker1664]

And only while this guy was alive.

[@diva.t.williams]

I love how this publisher admits that he knows absolutely nothing about archaeology or any other topic related to these relics, but still swears these things are real. Half way through, not a single professional or scholar has been featured to discuss the topic. Not a single source is peer reviewed, not a single detail has been confirmed with hard science. They're not even amateur scientists who've done meaningful study despite not going to school. They're just a bunch of wishful thinkers swearing that their daydream is the truth. Truly laughable!

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

That's a pretty good summation. I was thinking the same.

[@maxgarbani6644]

Jajaja jajaja jajaja Do you really believe in Peer Review ? What makes them experts ? Oh yes !.....The controllers certification.

[@sethk5396]

@@maxgarbani6644 I'm a licensed archaeologist. There's no "controller" bro you just need a basic degree and field experience.

[@maxgarbani6644]

@@sethk5396 Jajaja jajaja jajaja jajaja ! Archeology..... just a fake discipline established by the controllers. And you were gullible enough to spend your money studying lies. You just know what they wanted you to know......

[@Damorte]

His evidence consists of "they are authenticated by some guy who told me they are real" Well fine, ill remember that next time i make a dig report, im gonna drop a bunch of ipods on the dig and just be adamant that they are real artefacts, make some outrageous claims, not document anything and tell people that theyll just have to take my word for it. Probably gonna be fine lol.

[@ericvulgate]

They look like they were made by children for their live action D&D campaign

[@mikesands4681]

slightly better, id buy them

[@jasonshumate6456]

What is funny is those are the the Fakes they replaced the Real ones with. It cripples Academia with Fear that a White Man might be in America, if they find the Olmecs,their heads would explode. But the fakes look like they were made by a 6 year old.

[@alisonhilll4317]

Certain tribe hides the truth from us ,

[@jasonshumate6456]

@@alisonhilll4317 they hide Bones that don't belong to them,so does the Smithonian in 1799 the Cherokee & Cree who drove them away. Cherokee: the People who built these were not the 2 tribes we found here before us Cree:We see hills all over we bury our dead On the tops but a tale of a "white tribe, who came from the East, and came from the Sea with no shores" One thing is the total difference between the North American And S. American "natives" is the north America was way more aggressive, but far behind the same people in the South. Story Teller and if they saw a Hill they would claim it and say its Sacred, the try an sell it.

[@vallll6658]

You have to fathom that D+D is likely designed after these artifacts and glyphs that have been there the whole time.

[@felicityc]

Gee, mormons being wrong? Incredible story but unstartling.

[@star_etraWrites]

Nothing like a fervent religious zealot to knowingly seek false knowledge to prove their narrative. >.

[@hugehappygrin]

@Amethyst That was inspiration(we think it's a good idea), not revelation(it came to them in a dream). No, Moroni did not show up and tell David MacKay to change the church policy denying African descended men the upper priesthood. By the way, before you start getting all vicariously butthurt, saying that the policy was racist, the blacks at the time knew they weren't getting the priesthood, and were fine with it. The change was made so that the Corporation of the President of the LDS Church could keep it's tax exempt status.

[@shanecompany1239]

@@hugehappygrin We all know Morbots are racists and morons. What are you even trying to prove

[@uraniumu242]

Brigham Young University (LDS operated) performed extensive research into the Michigan Relics” they published their findings and reached the conclusion that “…this result applies to one of the hundreds of "Michigan relics," it kills the idea that these things have any relevance to American prehistory. Instead, they are windows onto a period of American history when archaeology was in its infancy and numerous frauds were being used to promote various religious, political and personal agendas. It also highlights the tendency of honest faithful believers to want to buoy up their faith with academias seal of approval. The shroud of Turin is one example. But faith is metaphysical and the faithful will almost always be disappointed by the application of faith to the realm of mankind and not God.

[@uraniumu242]

@Amethyst and as you stated it is a story that never happened except in your mind.

[@morriganmhor5078]

I just love the term "independent researcher" or "independent scientist". Frauds all. But what I do not understand is how they got into the mainstream.

[@maryanneslater9675]

Journalist Kurt Andersen wrote about it in his book "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire." The US was settled primarily by people who were determined that their religion was the only true one (and promptly had splinter groups of "true" faiths) and by adventurers looking for cities of gold. The desire to believe what one wants to believe despite evidence to the contrary evolved into a freedom and then a "right" among Americans. Especially when it comes to religion or being "self-educated." Any crazy cult or fraud can go mainstream.

[@DracoTriste]

He discovered these while digging post holes? Has anyone here dug a hole for a post? That’s a small hole, just a couple inches bigger than the post. And the post-holer is a stabbing, crushing tool. The “artifacts” would have been tiny or crushed. Just his story of how he found them in suspicious to me.

[@sugarnads]

Modsrn thinking. Old post hole diggers were slow manual devices. You could certainly find so ething of this sort while digging post holes

[@DracoTriste]

I am talking about a slow, manual device. The clamshell post hole digger is typically just called a post hole digger or post-holer. You stab the ground and then crush the dirt before lifting the load of dirt out of the hole. I’ve had to use this tool quite a lot. Unless you’re thinking he was using a shovel, I can’t imagine what other tool he might have used. I don’t think he used an auger or any automated tool. Do you know or have a guess as to what he was using?

[@ClickClack_Bam]

Lol exactly. They weren't finding those items in those amounts like they claimed!

[@tarialorehand]

@@DracoTriste We still have one, it doesn't work because the handles are really old but it would if we changed out the handles and sharpen the edges, but I understand what you were saying and I agree. They would have been destroyed as he was digging with one of these tools. Even with a shovel he would've destroyed them or even some of them, but it's amazing that he would start digging when no one was around and poof there was an artifact. (Look at the man that found the terracotta soldiers, he destroyed a couple of them before he stopped digging and realize he found something). I guess he knew right where to dig to find them, amazing. :) An artifact magnet. :)

[@jerseyboyce1]

"you have to make up your mind for yourself" tell me you ave no evidence without telling me you have no evidence

[@patrickknowles9730]

The dudes theory ab the oil lamp is bogus, let’s say someone in the 15-1800s went to Rome and found snd artifact and then brought it to American and it got lost and was later found. Just bc something is 2000 years old doesn’t mean it’s been there for all of those 2000 years

[@maryanneslater9675]

In the 1800s, an antique clay oil lamp would have been a cheap souvenir for anyone visiting the Mediterranean area. For that matter, it might even be a reproduction sold to tourists.

[@johnlshilling1446]

My immediate thought when this lamp was shown... Where's the chain of custody? Allowing that it is genuinely fashioned in the Mediterranean style, where has it spent the last several centuries? --- A well traveled artifact! If only it came with its own private travel journal. 😕

[@ianmcdonald8648]

your last sentence makes sense

[@hellboundrubber4448]

@@maryanneslater9675 You think there were Tourists in the 1800"s? Really? Do you know what was happening in the 1500's? Europeans didn't use utensils until the 1700's.

[@randomguy-]

@@hellboundrubber4448 The fork is about a thousand years old. Knives and spoons go back thousands. Rich people have been travelling for pleasure for several hundred years and if you count a couple of fringe cases, thousands. In the 1800's for example travels to Egypt were really popular. The orient express started in the 1880's. In the 17th century many wealthy europeans took "the grand tour". Also, I guess you have the Vikings, which were well known for their "tourism", consisting of trade, plunder and burning, among other things. Not entirely unlike the charter trips of today.

[@chadb9270]

20:48 he is holding up a page that disprove his point. All of the symbols, from all the different languages from around the world, look extremely similar. They look the same because human beings created written languages and prefer similar shapes. Notice all of the Y shapes??? It’s almost like certain symbols are universal……….

[@bethrose4920]

I love ancient artifacts and at first glance I had to laugh that anyone believed the crap these people spewed......i enjoyed the analysis of tool marks and materials ......the only proof of where they actually came from.....so simple.......

[@walterchristley4898]

Isn't it funny how every piece is perfect and looks just as clear as the day it was made.

[@davidharrison6535]

Isn't it funny that in every ancient man made cave There are tool marks these caves are 10's of thousands of years old. Those Indian carved temples the huge ones they carved out of mountains. They are IMPOSSIBLE to do with your hands as they used a Mountain as the RAW material for the temple. Then they carved it. You can still see the marks left by machines they used. Machines tha have never been found. Neither has any of the material removed has ever been found. All over ancient Egypt are marks made by Machines on the Huge Obelisks that we would have trouble moving even today without breaking. How did they move that? Also their statues of the ancient kings are perfectly symmetrical. Impossible to do then. near impossible to do now, unless you have a computer controlled lathe. Who built the Pyramids? Who moved the stones miles for Stonehenge? How were the Giant statues moved around Easter Island? . I'm sorry but the 'Machine Marks 'argument for them to be fakes, just does not hold water. Also the fact they are written in 3 different readable languages, that have been near extinct for 2000 years. Yet this guy Knew All 3 or has scholars to help him. He had to source the tiles (9000) the carve engrave and polish flawlessly. Without the drills and grinders to make them. Again as no mistakes they would have to be done on something like a computer controlled CnC machine. (That I note were all the rage in 1890's America and the must have had a dozen or so running 24/7 ) Oopps thats right No Electricity. No generators..

[@1960ARC]

I think fakes designed to hide history.

[@hellboundrubber4448]

@@walterchristley4898 No they're not. Look at them again. Slate stays the way it is. And the others were in Copper. Other stuff was broken and corroded. Their were fakes and real finds.

[@revolvermaster4939]

The most amazing thing in this video is that actual journalists used to exist

[@ashleelarsen5002]

That's debatable

[@revolvermaster4939]

@@ashleelarsen5002 talking about the one that exposed the fraud family in 1912

[@kaihuang4970]

As long as they weren't working for William Randolph Hearst.

[@beckerabstracts]

Now that's an artifact!

[@davedavidson8208]

They still do. It's just that these days everyone can find their own special little "journalists" to tell them what they want to hear, more than ever before. So a lot of dumb shit seeps through. Just look at how many people in America believe in the Q bs. Look at the videos of people who lined the streets because they legitimately believed jfk Jr was going to come back...

[@walterchristley4898]

Ok. At 27:50, he starts with the old canard that Constantine ruined everything. He says, "Constantine wanted a Trinity." BS. Constantine just wanted the church to settle the dispute. He called the Council of Nicea, opened the Council and then walked away. The bishops, gathered from every part of the known world, made the decisions themselves.

[@kaihuang4970]

😂 throwing shade about getting the history of men making things up for their 'bible' wrong, is hilarious.

[@megw7312]

…. and by the time they took the vote, the Brit bishops had all walked away. (btw - Constantine was a Briton - contrary to wiki - his mother was a powerful Brit princess - no brothers to outrank her and she remained a significant influence in his life).

[@hiddentruth1982]

quite the well thought out scam. set it up and then have someone respected by the community dig it up to add validity. all at a time when artifacts were popular but little known about it.

[@kaihuang4970]

May's 'proof' of earlier finds can also be explained as the inspiration to make more fakes for money. Who wouldn't want to make money for 25 years by making fakes. Nothing has been found for a century because they're scared of ridicule, a claim with absolutely no proof.

[@MrHaighahatta]

Hell! If I dug up a stone inscribed with ancient runes or a potful of roman coins here in Vermont, I'd want some archaeologist to evaluate it without worrying about being ridiculed. The only ones who need worry about ridicule are those who paid good money for a fake artifact.

[@DanCooper404]

When he deciphered "MSH", I thought he was going to say "Michigan." 🤣

[@martinb5626]

Absolute history goes full History Channel. Up next, Pawn Stars!

[@backalleycqc4790]

About 20 years ago, a father-in-law of mine had this really cool wax cabinet that contained hundreds of wax figures outlining various medical illnesses and procedures. It was an incredible collection, most likely priceless. Then one day, because he was very old and starting to become very ill, he decided to sell it. He got me to create a website and then he began to tell me the story of its origin and how he became the owner. It was such bs, he was such a charlatan that the truth didn't matter "It's all about what people think it is and what people are willing to pay." He died before he could sell it and I still don't know what became of it. It's a shame really, it was such a unique set of wax figures.

[@cruisepaige]

I love the expression “a father in law of mine” 😂😂😂

[@backalleycqc4790]

@@cruisepaige Yeah, well, we move on from divorce to another sometimes...

[@donnapido3824]

In 1994 I exposed a set of fake Maasai artifacts in the Spring issue of African Arts Magazine. They were contrived by two Americans and a British Kenyan, Your story of the Michigan relics sounds very much like my own experience since my review of "The Art of the Maasai' by Gillies Turle. He is still selling them and they have become something of a cottage industry in Maasailand. There are even scholars and curators who have swallowed Turle's story. Some of the fakes, in spite of being very obvious, have made it into reputable museums and the collections of some royal families. It's comforting to know that this has happened before!

[@loke6664]

It is a bit confusing that people think things like copper swords are real. Bronze swords, fine but a copper sword is totally useless. I know it is a very interesting story with Jews or Coptic Christians arriving in America long before Columbus and Leif Erickson but these just doesn't make sense. I would not say it is impossible the people from the old world ever got to America before Columbus, we know the vikings did it but focusing on all this fake stuff really makes us focus on it instead of real archaeology. This isn't like the Kenzington rune stone that is probably fake but could possibly be real either. The Norsemen did fish west of Greenland at that time and we know they had the means to get there. Also, I feel that if the Coptics or Jews got in that area in large enough number to drop 3000 found artifacts they would have left ruins in stone there as well and other things besides copper, clay and stone slates. Also, how languages like Hebrew, Cuneiform and a few others would have mixed in the new world but not the old seems very strange. Modern toolmarks and the fact that 2 guys expeditions found almost all of the artifacts doesn't exactly help the claims of authenticity either. I could see how a ship from classical time could have ended up in America by mistake but not a massive fleet enough to set up a local industry either, that one lucky ship would survive the journey is one thing but an entire fleet? The ship technology of the time was not good enough for that, not until around 650 AD when the first viking type of ships with sails came did we have something good enough to survive that with acceptable losses. At this time, you are looking at the wrong hemisphere for that. The Polynesians did get the sweet potato around this time and had the skills and technology to reach South America, they are a more likely suspect for reaching the Americas 1500 years ago, maybe even on a more regular basis too. That is worth researching.

[@hugehappygrin]

Tobacco, a plant from the Americas, was found in Egyptian tombs. Pyramids were found all over the world, not just in Egypt.

[@loke6664]

@@hugehappygrin Nicotine was found in mummies, yes. It is possible that a know extinct plant had nicotine as well as some sources mentions such a plant but they also found cocaine. That does however not mean Egypt had direct trade connections with the Americas. We do actually have some Egyptian ships and both them and the sources from the time makes it clear that crossing the Atlantic in one of them would be close to impossible. Active trading over the Atlantic would require at least viking ship technology and Egypt (or even the Phoenicians) didn't had that. Likelier, the trade went over Bering's strait and then followed the silk road. As for the pyramids, they have very little in common between Egypt, South America and China. The Egyptian pyramids are not stepped (well, originally they were covered with white marble and totally straight) and built in massive stones. South American pyramids are always step pyramids and only the outside have massive stone block, they are filled with dirt and rubble inside. The Chinese pyramids are made of dirt, I don't think any of them have been fully excavated but they have likely a stone structure protecting the Emperor and his stuff inside. From afar they might look similar but the building technique is wildly different and at least in the Americas and Egypt you can see how they started to build primitive structures first, in 2 very different ways. China isn't really that well excavated yet but the outside of the pyramids are stomped earth, like the older parts of the great wall. But you are right that there are signs of trade between the Americas and Egypt, I don't think a single trader traveled the entire way though but that the goods changed hands many times during the trip, That is unless an unknown ancient ship types get discovered but that that is pretty unlikely since no pictures of such a ship have been found on either side of the Atlantic but many pictures and actual wrecks (usually in bad shape but they found 2 next to the great pyramid in extremely good condition). Also, if you want to compare the Egyptian and South American pyramids you need to look on the only known pyramid of size from a similar time: that would be the pyramid in Caral Supe. Even very old pyramids like La Dante were just built less then 3000 years ago, only Caral supe is known to be from a similar date as Giza. It does look nothing the same but you can see that it uses a similar but more primitive technique as the later ones. So I guess it is possible but very unlikely that the builders of Caral Supe heard of Imhotep's Red pyramid and decided to make something similar but if so, they were never told any details. Caral Supe had a flat top and it seems like there was a government building (or temple) on top of it.

[@xXDarkflowerXx]

The mental gymnastics on display here are amazing!

[@dhesyca4471]

The archeologist, Dr Richard Stamps, is my hero now just for this documentary adhd his work on these hoax pieces.

[@jaymeVos]

I have a blank book that I have filled with every known alphabet I could find, real and fantasy. Some I do not understand but I do understand what character matches certain ones from my native language. So it IS easy to fake a script without knowing what it says. If they were just creating them to sell them off then I doubt they cared if anyone would ever be able to decipher the script assuming the boys made it up as they went along. It is actually easy to do.

[@justinnash1602]

Yesngerlander.

[@StudioHannah]

I used to do that when I as a kid! I learned how to read a few of the fantasy ones. And I’m learning Korean now as an adult because I found the Hangul alphabet so interesting. Good to find another symbols enthusiast :D

[@jerseyboyce1]

ever read Finnegans' Wake? james Joyce wrote it in some 20-something languages some real some not, some he spoke, some he didn't.

[@deewesthill1213]

I keep wondering if there are more elaborate archeology hoaxes that were so well done they are difficult to tell from the real thing.

[@kellywalker1664]

Oh, but there are. NatGeo even fell for an ivory bust in the early 2000s that wound up on one of their covers.

[@maxgarbani6644]

Oh yeah !.....All the dinosaurs 🦖🦕 bones that never existed.

[@briansteidl2016]

​@@maxgarbani6644 Jesus built my dinosaur on Jurassic park at a time lol

[@chriscoker7794]

Yeah there is a lot of these things in Israel. The guy fooled a lot of the so called experts.

[@unclescipio3136]

There was a whole industry in Renaissance times of sculptors creating fake Roman relics. It was rumoured that even Michelangelo did some fakery in this area to make some cash.

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

I think it's hilarious some guy spent this much time and effort to make what looks like children's recreations of ancient artwork and tried to foist it on a gullible public. I bet this guy was a hoot at parties.

[@AECRADIO1]

HE ALSO TURNED LEAD INTO GOLD WITH HIS HIGH LEVEL ALCHEMY STUDIES.

[@rhondasampsel2806]

They are very old still but they are frauds on what they was suppose to represent that's the shame and all the money that was put out for them.If all people's would do this and the Art world definitely has, nothing we see would be the real age.They was nice To see some of them but still fakes.It makes one wonder about are history.A pen can be used in the same way.

[@BlackQback]

Have you seen genuine early-Christian (up to Gothic period) artwork? The quality of drawings are the least of my concerns regarding this hoax.

[@jwenting]

@@AECRADIO1 it's easy to turn lead into gold. Make "ancient artifacts" out of the lead and sell them to gullible fools for gold...

[@AECRADIO1]

@@jwenting HAVD GOLD PAINT, WILL FLIM-FLAM!

[@wabisabi6875]

"... letter forms that never existed in anyone's world, invented by these people..." Exactly.

[@Adman-p4j]

The irony is that these fakes are now so famous - that they are collectible and valuable for that reason alone. BUT at least the original scammers won't see a dollar of that value.

[@suziecreamcheese211]

You’re right, there is a market for forgeries.

[@patrickbarrett5650]

That’s right, in the UK we have ‘Billy and Charlies’, pewter fake pilgrim badges supposedly found in the river Thames.

[@PatchouliPenny]

I started studying history of art in 1980, then ancient Egypt, cave paintings, pottery, ancient history etc. I'm no archaeologist or ancient linguistics specialist but I have learnt a thing or two in 42 years, I am an artist and I do have an eye for things. In all of human history it seems the only artwork in any medium that's really stood the test of time has been that of very good artists right back to the earliest cave paintings. Everything else has either been discarded or been destroyed or painted over especially the further back you go. Just looking at all of these so-called relics there isn't a well made or well drawn piece among them. The pottery is no better than children's and nor are the drawings. Any artist knows that only children draw an eye with eyelashes all the way around it and all facing in one direction. The person doing all the drawings was no better than a child. The style is very modern though. Nobody would have bothered to keep stuff of such a poor standard for as long as this stuff has supposedly been around, it's just not worth it. I'd have to check with a real professional cuneiform and hyroglyphics expert about this one but did anyone ever create works combining cuneiform, hyroglyphics and ancient Greek? No, the chaps had some books to copy from and were fairly smart with their fakes for those times but they clearly can't fool modern day metallurgy, archaeology, pottery, slate experts or that method of dating clay.

[@pvm7184]

Dammmm!!! That was a Mouth Full!

[@FairbrookWingates]

I found it most interesting how the publisher seemed to believe the hodgepodge of languages proved it authentic. To my mind, it just looks like someone copy-pasting bits and pieces together, furthers from authentication! These are clearly no Rosetta Stone and no culture has mixed so many dispirit languages of far-flung origins and times.

[@KristiContemplates]

There'd be traces of the minerals from the regolith the 'relics' had been sitting in within the etchings of the engravings, which could be used to determine how long they'd been buried. Chemistry & Physics is the archeologists' friend

[@maryanneslater9675]

Yes, and the copper didn't look nearly tarnished enough for having supposedly been buried for over 1500 years. In damp forest soil, the copper plates should have been covered in green patina within a century, and corroded beyond easy legibility in a thousand years.

[@Sharonc64]

How funny it was to hear him describe the clay "relics" that are literally made from pieces of the literal kitchen sink.

[@MrHaighahatta]

Slate, actually.

[@sinjinmonsoon9055]

Very enjoyable. Almost an ancient alien episode. But a different level of nmonsense.

[@chino3796]

Ancient Aliens pushes the fake Peru(?)statuettes that show aliens & people & dinosaurs all together. The quality is about the same as these.

[@mdarifulislamhridoy9147]

@@chino3796 Could you bring out more points about the fakes from Ancient Aliens. I was actually suspicious about the show, that they are actually pushing fakes.

[@keneutervalve9459]

All we needed in addition, was Childress holding his hands up, saying.." you just haaaave to ask yourself...."

[@FalafelSultan]

that publisher should have understood that during the late 19th and early 20th century the study of dead or archaic languages such as: Latin, Greek, and very much into ancient Egypt (which is why Egyptomania exists) and many others were immensely popular, not just with scholars, but everyone was super into this, so having these artefacts manufactured by a couple of people cause they were bored, or wanted to strike it rich is not outside of the realm someone from the late 19th century there are many stories of archaeologists being disgraced/defunded because of fraudulent artefacts.

[@lisapop5219]

Wait, when were the copts forced out of Egypt on pain of death prior to the Islamic conquest?

[@mikesands4681]

plenty of copts still living in egypt

[@lisapop5219]

@@mikesands4681 that was my point

[@hansberger4939]

they say, they are still three millions.

[@jerseyboyce1]

I'm supposed to believe that a lamp bought from some guy is reputable cause this "not an archeologist" says so? that's dumn

[@kelliepatrick519]

Even if some of these were demonstrated to be genuine antique artifacts, it wouldn't mean that the 'carver' created them here after coming across the ocean as some ancient early visitors. They could simply be relics transported here by early Nordic/European settlers as part of their family or cultural heritage. (i.e.., part of a Viking hoard raided from a Brit parish, handed down a few generations, then transported here with the early settlers).

[@mariawhite7337]

Ah yes and I'm sure these carvers used old slate that is cut with machining tools. Not to mention using modern smithing methods. AND a single set of persons finding said artifacts. Sure fam. To be honest, here, this sort of thing comes from a key point of racism. Yes. All of these 'white people in the americas' is from mainly RACISTS. You learn that the more you look into this stuff.

[@jessicaumlor7979]

I don't know why noone else seemed to consider this. They also misrepresented their thermoluminescence technology as being accurate within a ten-year period, when it's actually found to have an accuracy of 10%

[@mariawhite7337]

@@jessicaumlor7979 Actually it doesn't. This type of dating is used for pottery and flint most in particular. As a mater of fact this type of dating methods are used in the middle east. So if you want to call it a lie then all those ""Biblical"" artefacts that were dated to that time period using this are now all false. That means that these artefacts are all fakes and forgeries and the bible is now false. Congrats. **drinks coffee**

[@jessicaumlor7979]

@@mariawhite7337 *gasps* the bible is fake? It's called a deduction, not an absolute. It's a good thing to read up on things from many angles, especially since there's so much money and governments and expectations behind biblical artifacts. It's not like scholars are people capable of being paid off, threatened, coerced, or just plain wrong 🤔

[@mariawhite7337]

@@jessicaumlor7979 you mean the MILLIONS of scholars and thousands of scientists helping them? Conspiracies are stupid when you break them down. Don't insult me by going by Conspiracies. I was tearing them down in high-school on Gaia online. Spent hours researching and retorting.

[@somewhereupthere785]

He would have to had known 5 different languages...or had a library card.

[@rositahuff4858]

…copper ages very fast…you can have a copper artifact … that looks thousand of years old in a few weeks time…

[@maryanneslater9675]

Just takes some white vinegar. And some of those copper artifacts didn't even look a century old. Anything actually buried in moist forest soil for 1500 years would be very corroded.

[@thedude8046]

Columbus did not discover America.

[@ericvulgate]

Deep Thoughts

[@ferociousgumby]

Funny how they use the word "discover", as if the land had no real significance until THEY came along. What about the MANY indigenous nations who had been living there for millennia?

[@mystogan238]

Yh they using that bogus for a reason And that is to invade,killing,robbing,occupy the natives

[@hansberger4939]

He did. but he wasnt the first.

[@DanaTheInsane]

He never set foot in the continental United States.

[@anissah161]

Are they hidden from the masses? Then they are allowed to be seen for a purpose. So, what's going on with all the giant skeletons being hidden?

[@mesmartgnome]

It was aliens. It’s always aliens. That or, it’s zombie ninjas. They’re stealthy because they don’t breathe.

[@AECRADIO1]

NO NO NO..IT IS 'Q' SCREWING WITH PICARD ONCE AGAIN!

[@mesmartgnome]

@@AECRADIO1 ok, going off topic but, am I the only one that thinks Q aged very well?

[@anitapeura3517]

"Pistus" Sophia? No, most basic search, it's "Pistis". In itself, it speaks volumes for the "evidence" presented here. The actual archeological evidence is absolutely zero, anything else is hopeful aspirations of those who wish it was so, when it wasn't. Anything similar discovered since these guys died? No. Other cultural evidence? No.

[@margaretmathis4775]

It seems to me that if they were real, they would be weathered, broken, chipped, etc. Instead…..they are just too pristine to be ancient.

[@ronpflugrath2712]

Rocks store very well in dirt

[@hugehappygrin]

A lot of things found in ancient tombs are found in pristine condition...

[@captainsensiblejr.]

David Deal, whose section starts around 28 minutes asks who could have made the astronomical connections, with lunar eclipses, My answer is any one who had an astrological almanac, and a standard atlas. Everything else would be easily found. I'm the 19th century, particularly among eastern Europeans, Hebrew was the third most common classical language taught in university's. There was a resurgence of fundamentalist evangelical Christianity in the United States and it was common for American university's to teach Hebrew. David Deal, having translated the texts then worked backwards to discover the astronomical connections, has not stopped to think that a hoaxer could do the same things to create a hoax.

[@captainsensiblejr.]

Explanation for artifacts discovered between 1850s and 1870s is that there were fundamentalist evangelical Christians trying to manufacture evidence for Biblical populations in North America, just as Joseph Smith manufactured artifacts to found his fake religion in Utah. Scottford, etc, come a long later and created their own fakes for the fame and academic recognition, and money

[@mattmatt6572]

I think also many true archeologists are fooling themselves to think that everything always line up with a star and sostices on a certain date in a certain year and try to make all archeology connect to religious ceremony and the stars. Seems like if you take all the constellations and sun and moon phases and all the years of them shifting from our earth's pattern you can make alignments with any building or any village layout ever made my houses southeast corner perfectly aligns with the third from left star on orions belt on the third year of the 7th month every 4 thousand years. He must worship orion... I think people were just doing more practical people stuff even 10 thousand years ago.

[@revolvermaster4939]

That’s obviously a Clovis oil lamp

[@kariannecrysler640]

LMAO😂

[@markmaher8709]

The video poses as a "let's expose nonsensical, anti-scientific trash theories" documentary, but then goes on to present a number of con artists spewing their nonsense - with little or no pushback in many cases. A shameful production. If one is dedicated to pushing nonsense, at least be honest that this is what you are doing. Sleazy to the core.

[@OgreOnAStick]

A fool that speaks aloud is always exposed for the fool he is, whereas a fool that is silenced can be mistaken for a wise man due to his silence.

[@markmaher8709]

@@OgreOnAStick Let the record show that you've chosen to "speak aloud". 😄

[@magicpyroninja]

Asked you to walk away while he digs it up at the place where he said he would find things no way there could have been any trickery at all there 🤣

[@hugehappygrin]

You do know that when something of import is found, governments(USA) tend to hide digs, etc.

[@fobrie847]

Thanks!

[@KitsuneVoss]

in simple terms, if there were so many, wouldn't you expect modern archeologists to be finding these things?

[@johnandre2962]

"The World's Most Elaborate Archaeological Fraud" .... err no .... that honour belongs to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[@refosco1993]

I’m shook and this makes me laugh .. I was scammed out of $300 today by a woman who deserves an Oscar for her performance…. the algorithm gods also deserve an award for suggesting this video on such a day!!

[@miketrissel5494]

I think you would enjoy seeing the 'Decalogue Holy Stones' in a Central Ohio Museum. It appears to be an Amulet or Teriphim idol, surrounded front and back with the entire 10 commandments in the old Hebrew block letters. The fact that the writings fit perfectly around the edge is amazing

[@catofthecastle1681]

Plus there were originally 60+ commandments! Religious leaders took out the obviously Jewish only commandments!

[@lisapop5219]

Oh my, what a con! I'm from MI and have never heard about this

[@kariannecrysler640]

Michigander here! I knew about them, but figured most must be hoaxes. Sad thing is that in the earlier lumbering years of our state many actual burial mounds were found and looted. I feared that some significant artifacts may have been altered in the hoax. But I do trust the more recent examinations and their conclusions. If you are interested there was a university of Michigan dig site that recently found a Clovis point , there are existing mounds in the Grand Rapids area and the copper culture in the UP has been given a time of starting mining 8000 or more years ago. I really like finding archeologists on KZbin giving lectures of their new findings lol😊

[@junglelane]

I'm actually impressed by whoever made them. Not that they are amazing art but incredibly creative. And to them bury them all. Best PR for your craft lol....

[@charlesfyler3878]

Only those with a vested interest, either financial or religious, believe these are real.

[@brickswithbros2049]

32:35 When your argument is that forger wouldn’t have gone through all that trouble, it’s pretty silly because you did it for him. You chose a date that fit the story you wanted to tell to assign to the “calendar” based on the information from 10 separate eclipses from an arbitrary 100 year period, selecting the one that fit closely enough. That’s not science. That acrobatics. Mental gymnastics. Because you’re basing it all on disjointed theories wherein the only evidence is “this kinda looks like Hebrew in cuneiform lettering.”

[@lorefox201]

what I find really interesting is the theatrics 1) go to a new place, contact the local midwits, stroke their egos 2) lure them where you had hidden the artifact 3) have them excavate the artifact out with their own hands 4) make them accomplishes by signing an affidavit. The people of the town will probably believe them since the local "smart guy" does. The "smart guy" has now staked his ego on the artifacts being true, will defend them to the point of autism (no offense to actual autistic people you know what I mean) Even if he later starts to doubt the circumstances/comes to his senses. Skeptics come? how can they doubt the signatures of so many smart guys! this kind of plan, my good friends, is absolutely genius and bespeaks of a great knowledge of human behaviour and nature. They might have found no artifacts, but they deserve an honorary degree in psychology.

[@awakeningfaith2290]

IF, that is really what happened. I don't believe they are genuine but often times people that hold a position, will create their own scenario in how something happened. I personally think the guy would have been smart enough to see the set up if it actually played out like that.

[@lorefox201]

@@awakeningfaith2290 some would be but don't underestimate people's stupidity, we live in a planet in which email scams work.

[@awakeningfaith2290]

@@lorefox201 lol!!!!! Thats an excellent point!

[@toxotorana]

1A. (prequel) Learn an Archaic Hebrew Coptic script before its even discovered either that or copy already existing artifacts exactly so they can be read by 21st century scholars. The truth still remains that there is an anomaly here that Skepticism will not remove. Untill someone gets in an actual early Christian archeologist/historian/language expert and also a historical artifact fakes expert to sort it out it will still remain an anomaly.

[@lorefox201]

@@toxotorana it's not an archaic Hebrew Coptic script, it's vaguelly cuneiform looking squiggles that have some similarities with other stuff, it just requires seeing photos of Sumerian tablets. Also again, it's not "Coptic" because that has its own script which is completely different

[@Lifeletnothingholdudown]

Since the daughter said she saw her father making them I would be a little skeptical.

[@KekuTheLaughing]

Entertaining, educational, really kept my attention. Wonderful video! I would like more of these conspiracy style videos.

[@SoullessAIMusic]

If you like that check out the yt channel Americas Untold Stories. That's basically all they cover.

[@KekuTheLaughing]

@@SoullessAIMusic I'll do that, thanks for the recommendation!

[@kariannecrysler640]

@@KekuTheLaughing I can recommend KZbin channel world of antiquities. A historian who gives the fact’s about debated archeology. He is also to be a quest historian on William Shatner’s series in July.😊

[@sethk5396]

Please no. This doc presents pseudoarchaeology as way more valid than it actually is. Please stick to real science and not garbage.

[@SoullessAIMusic]

@@sethk5396 would love to see your dispute to some of their arguments.

[@greatshotfirsttake]

why did native Americans have refined gold jewelry....which made the Spanish go looking for its source? I have seen photos of 1000s of hammer head found around the great lakes and many copper mines...its all very strange?

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

I first thought how sad that people have wasted so much of their time on these fakes, that did not last long as they have made money off the fraud. Its a great example of conformation bias.

[@catofthecastle1681]

Confirmation!!!

[@jjgdenisrobert]

“Independent researcher”. Another word for “quack”.

[@sethk5396]

I liked the section discussing the obvious fakery of the original artifacts, but it quickly devolves from there and lends WAY too much credibility to fringe / cult / pseudoarchaeological positions which are deeply racist (often tied to bullshit like great replacement theory and new earth creationism), and not based in any science. Referring to these people as "researchers" or "independent researchers" but not mentioning that they have 0 training or experience at all, and presenting their views as if it's just a reasonable alternative that archaeologists have simply "ignored."

[@suziecreamcheese211]

I bet you got the jab.

[@sethk5396]

@@suziecreamcheese211 Yeah. Most people who have jobs got them lol.

[@SK-jq8um]

Could be true if the copper used during the bronze age wasn't tested back to the ore mined out of Michigan, only place know to have copper in that pure of form.

[@maxgarbani6644]

Oh Seth Blah blah blah When you have nothing smart to say ....

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@@SK-jq8um Too bad that's 100% false. None of it has ever been tested back to michigan in fact if you browse youtube you'll find plenty of sources saying quite clearly that the two sources of copper are NOT connected at all. In any way.

[@marcelogaye8874]

So...where are their cities, tools, weapons, skeleton remains, their settlements areas with evidence of farming, etc.

[@SweetUniverse]

Do archeologists usually find artifacts that quickly - like the same afternoon as they arrive at the site?? (😂😂)

[@SafetySpooon]

I love the guy who says "I bought it from a respected collector, it's authenticated!" Yeah? BY WHOM? LOL

[@davidmedlin8562]

I like how when the fraudsters are talking they just casually throw up am image showing how they are full of crap, very nice very well done indeed

[@matakaw4287]

Poor Granny Robson could never get a good night's sleep living beside the artifactory.

[@JazzEnthusiast]

This documentary is quite interesting on a level deeper than the obvious fraudulent claims. It reeks of a purposeful, convoluted cover up as well.

[@jessicaumlor7979]

Thermoluminescence has an accuracy of 10%, yet it was presented as being accurate between a 10-year period if that tells you anything.

[@JazzEnthusiast]

@@jessicaumlor7979 for me the cover up lies within the grouping together of legitimate artifacts with the fraudulent. It's like when an individual behaves in a uncivilized manner it taints the group. Society slants its biased opinions towards the group with a broad stroke.

[@jessicaumlor7979]

@@JazzEnthusiast You're on to something there, for sure!

[@manbehindthebeard3213]

There was also a Canaanite altar found at Jekyll Island in Georgia, where they used to sacrifice children. They also found recurved bows and also other artifacts from Egypt location there is well.

[@manbehindthebeard3213]

This particular tribe was also of great stature roughly around an average of 8 ft tall. And fairly light complected compared to other natives. The altar was also made out of stone.

[@alexarviso6836]

The interesting thing about this is that the hebrews god is actually knows as yaldaboath and his dominion is the material plane. Jelyll island is that one place where the federal reserve was conceived. No coincidence they're trying to hide their wickedness for centuries.

[@manbehindthebeard3213]

@@alexarviso6836 I think even if the federal reserve was created with good intentions the fact it was created over that just brings on some bad juju.

[@peraltarc]

@@manbehindthebeard3213 I concur that many terribly harmful decisions have been made with what seem to be good intentions.

[@geneticepistomology]

Before the end of the intro it was obvious these were fake.

[@ronniepapepape1629]

Very interesting. I could read them. I know ancient Hebrew letters. Still an enigma.

[@historybuff7491]

I see two obvious questions that even this documentry didn't address. One: The total eclips reviewed a 100 year time frame he wanted. Solar eclipses are common. They only seem rare based on location. For example 1800 to 1900: 1806 a total eclipse happened in Chicago. It is close enough (time, place) for old news articles. Two: the finds locations are known. Why are they not re-escavated? There are at least 17. At least some of them should show signs of occupation (even from hunter gatherers) especially given the months it would taken to create some of these artifacts. Why don't we have postholes from their shelters, or harth areas where they cooked and warmed themselves?

[@mmneander1316]

Good points.

[@violetlight8138]

One time I had this job when I was in college and this woman was looking for an artist. She ran an antique store. She had me make missing puzzle pieces to complete sets and paint the rest of a scene on a little side table that had a damaged top. Obviously she made more money having complete and undamaged antiques probably selling them as restored.

[@kariannecrysler640]

I am glad reexamination happened. Slate tablets were obviously hoax, but the other items could have been defaced artifacts looted from graves in the great lumbering of Michigan.

[@statlergil]

or a few originals actual from middle east added to help create fraud.

[@kellywalker1664]

A smart faker would use that tactic.

[@violetlight8138]

I love how the fraudsters are not standing in an archeological site but a field with one little hole showing where they found the object.

[@thisintrovertknits]

Gotta keep watching for the good stuff (clear evidence it's all crap), but ooh boy it's a clear window into the mind of delusional people.

[@derekowenjr3599]

How can you explain the Los Lunas stone thought to be 3500 yrs long old when there was once a ancient inlet sea south of what is called 4 corners ,. bat creek cave stone in TN - I live here and the ancient stone forts built here were not constructed in the 1800 but rediscovered. Then wood placed on top In reconstruction

[@AmericanMayan]

They're lying in the video because they want to disprove America is the true Holy land. The melanated indigenous ("African Americans") and across north, south and central including mexico are the true biblical people with a historical tartaria that was destroyed in the last 200 years during war