The Fake Futurism of Elon Musk

[@Tom_Nicholas]

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[@nicanornunez9787]

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[@benbrown8682]

Please make a collaboration with philosphy tube, olly can do the theatrical bits and you could do the discussion on the details of the theory and stuff thats hard to make entertaining, because your good at it. I feel you two would be a perfect match. Please

[@TornadoGeorge]

you deserve more subscribers I love this channel!!!!

[@hugmonger]

@Wicked Utopia Ummm dude is critiquing the current trend of things believe it or not that helps the future. Engaging with critique helps create more solid ideas regardless the character of the critique

[@bchandle]

Wait you are promoting your own patreon page to make more money and using Elon to do it. What have you done other than talk about what others have done? People who cant do talk about what others have done and criticize them. If you are really genuine go out there and do something, instead of taking the easy route of just talking about others who actually did something and use them for your gain. If the planet only had more of Elon's vs people like you I wonder where the world would be.

[@manualdidact]

If we're comparing Musk and Ford, it's worth pointing out that Ford started his company. Musk started at Tesla as an activist investor, and forced out the founder.

[@das250250]

Don't forget , ford actually made more cars than anyone else,faster and better as opposed to 1% of the market.

[@das250250]

I'd also bet those early Ford's probably did more or equivalent miles on a tank ..and were more affordable

[@arfeloreed]

Those Musk Fanboys refused to believed this Lol

[@arkoisagoodboy]

And Ford was an open supporter of Adolf Hitler who muscled competition out of the industry. Weird how if Musk were to use paid thugs to burn down competitors' businesses, you'd be up in arms about it. But your disdain for Musk is so blind that you'd go to bat for a literal Nazi supporter who did all the things you hate as an anti-capitalist

[@jimbarino2]

He did start Spacex, however. Credit where due.

[@UbeFlavoured]

Elon Musk is the "I'm not like other girls" of capitalists.

[@timojissink4715]

A capitalist would not use his money like that, nor would he accept a $0 paycheck for their work

[@bryntendo]

He's like that kid in highschool who makes up sUpEr CoOl rumours about himself and how totally cool and awesome he is, but for some reason people keep believing him

[@skimmis]

@@bryntendo because he have shown that he can delivier. This matters.

[@rork172]

The guy is not a business man, neither a ‘capitalist’, he’s a passionate engineer, physicist and innovator.

[@sobersplash6172]

Rourke McCarron he’s literally a CEO, do you think he just sits there personally making the shit his company does

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

When I was in college, I was so excited by SpaceX & Tesla. It took me several years & a lot of education to finally understand that Musk wasn't taking us towards Star Trek, he's taking us towards Blade Runner. Nowadays it seems insane to me that I was ever taken in.

[@siddhantbasnet8528]

Shut up zoudberg, go back to the future.

[@SoundsSilver]

Don’t worry man, lots of people were dumb in college

[@AndromedaD]

I think the idea of electric cars and expanded space travel are good things to believe in. Musk just isn't the one to get us there

[@johnnamkeh1290]

@Naikomi They are a little different in that they do move the conservative companies like Boeing or Porsche into different directions. Boeing's space programme or Porsche electric cars would be very different were it not for Musk. These companies hopefully will proceed into having an advantage over Musk in not being led by a socially dissociated billionaire but by actual shareholders. One can only hope that they may then take Musk's ideas and make them more practical.

[@fromgermany271]

Being able to learn is not a bad, but in some groups a rare habit. Congrats for making it.

[@ExBlaz3]

*"By the rich. For the rich."* My take on most of Elon's visions.

[@nicholaskeenan898]

the motor vehicle the plane the internet tv's etc etc all started as for the rich!

[@paulgibbon5991]

I blame Ayn Rand.

[@listrahtes]

​@@nicholaskeenan898but look at Musk's own ideas. They are not only inefficient but basically eliminate transport for "normal" people. Loop and Hyperloop perfect examples. Musk deliberate designs with the cost of neglecting transport to middle and lower class. That's a huge difference. His ideas are also just often quite stupid and so inefficient it can never used for masses

[@okarowarrior]

@@nicholaskeenan898 Internet's infrastructure started as a military project and the modern use of it started as a way for universite's communities to share knowledge. Way of pulling a comment out of your as

[@nicholaskeenan898]

@@okarowarrior so your saying someone that attended the most prestigious university, in the richest County in the world isn't rich?

[@soma7891]

"I'm a bigger fan of Edison than Telsa, because Edison brought his inventions to the market." - Elon Musk This sums up everything- his thinking, his approach to life; it's only about making money.

[@jreamscape]

@@z.z.onichi5365 Edison stole patents and called inventions his own

[@nensikalahan]

@@z.z.onichi5365 Edison tried to sabotage tesla's work to be able to have a monopoly on the market. That's not the "making the technology available to the people" , that is unscrupulous capitalistic kind of behavior.

[@richitacos]

So you prefer an anti-social genius who will keep all his cool inventions to himself instead of a visionary businessman who will find a way to bring these cool and useful things to stores for everyone to buy?

[@vamen4706]

@@richitacos I prefer your mom.

[@govindraghavan9493]

@@vamen4706 so do I

[@mathewomolo]

people talk about going to Mars to escape climate calamity as if there's clean air and beautiful gardens waiting on Mars.

[@kenji214245]

Run away from the bordeom of bunker living on earth. And enjoy the slightly roomier undeground bunkers on Mars where the low gravity will make you forget your own obesity of boredom eating everyday. While the bliss of death slowly creeps uppon you from high radiation and varying solar weather impacts varying up the spikes on the Radiation sensor in the roof.

[@dukenukem5768]

It is like the fraudulent Viking equivalent of Musk 1000 years ago getting people to move to Greenland by saying you could grow vinyards there. Or Jim Jones, another control freak, getting people to move to Jonestown because he told them it would be Paradise. Jones town will have looked like Paradise compared with sharing a bunker with Musk on Mars.

[@fubar12345]

Nobody has ever talked about Mars that way. Common strawman fallacy.

[@mathewomolo]

@@fubar12345 i'm being sarcastic. And if you've never heard anyone talk about escaping Earth's impending climate catastrophe, then you're not well versed on SpaceX Mars hype. Look into Musk's speeches on the 'dire' need to be multi-planetary and understand the impression it gives off.

[@jaegrant6441]

"Get the first restaurant perfect before you open your second!!" - Gordon Ramsay "Fucking donut!!" - Also Gordon Ramsay

[@losharclan7914]

Elon is a genius, he added rgb lights to the hyperloop.

[@RindertW]

Using the same logic as applied in computer science. RGB dop make things faster brrrr.

[@n3rdy11]

Do you mean that tunnel were Tesla’s drive very slowly trough and still can’t get autopilot to work even in an highly controlled environment?

[@Battlegris]

Ahahahaha! And gained 100.000 zombies by doing so 😂

[@Peramiiy]

@@n3rdy11 The whole point of that stupid "Loop" was to convince idiot politicians to invest in self driving cars rather than mass transit. Even then Tesla cant get autopilot to work underground in a loop system. That's pathetic if you ask me. Any politician who buy into this scheme is an idiot.

[@PlaidZoomer]

@@Peramiiy that boring tunnel is not called the hyper loop, but it will eventually have self driving cars which will be faster than regular cars due to its safer driving. When that boring tunnel loop opens it will be mass transit so I don’t know what you’re talking about

[@arsenicsauce]

Elon Musk is a testament to what one man can achieve when his parents own an emerald mine

[@jaegrant6441]

100% ! People praise all these entrepreneurs like they're a rags to riches story, when they actually had lots of family money and connections to help their journey.

[@mrandersen6872]

@@jaegrant6441 tell me you know nothing about elon musk without telling me you know nothing about elon musk.

[@loomyair]

@@mrandersen6872 fool

[@as7river]

@@mrandersen6872 my understanding of what I don't know about Elon Musk is far greater than your understanding of what you know about Elon Musk. This is how I would tell you I know nothing about Elon Musk without telling you I know nothing about Elon Musk.

[@La0bouchere]

@@loomyair at least fact check before you make claims. Erol Musk owned shares in an emerald mine that never even made money.

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

It’s ironic how Elon Musk is the face of Tesla because he has a lot more in common with Thomas Edison than anyone else.

[@seri-ously8591]

Just as ironic some people hailed Steve Jobs as an innovator, basically Nerd Jesus, when he was just a masterminded marketeer that was lucky enough to throw a pitch the media was willing to eat up entirely.

[@Wtfiswhattheysay]

The idea for the iPod was around since it’s first patent in 1983. Society has been programmed to worship a certain person. You can thank Jesus for this concept and more recently hulk hogan. Fuckin stupid

[@shanabanana2675]

Edison, the Ultimate Rebranding Champion lmao yesss!

[@keithyoung7]

Musk was once asked - on a talk show - which of the two he most admired, and it was Edison. Unfortunately the the host did not follow up. One would assume that Musks a considers himself a promoter, not an inventor. What a wanker.

[@rahelwijeyekoon9403]

@@keithyoung7 Honestly, it'd be more respectable if he genuinely presented himself as a promoter rather than playing into the visionary/innovator persona as that'd be more true to his actions.

[@gerrymcerlean8432]

Elon Musk is a true genius - and I can prove it. The Las Vegas Loop looked like being a huge disappointment - 3 people in a Tesla car (with a driver) travelling at 35mph instead of the promised 16 people in an automous 'pod' driving at 150mph. But Elon turned this near failure into a huge success simply by adding some lovely LED lights. Now that's genius!

[@Gustoberg]

his innovations are just WOW chef's kiss

[@iKingRPG]

The "pods" will come eventually, but Tesla has to actually make them first. The people who say the cars are a disappointment and that they should've used trains and rails that can carry 1,000 people, are either just really dumb, or missing context. The tunnel is 1 mile long, it's just meant to quickly get people across the convention center. Small vehicles make much more sense

[@birdrocket]

@@iKingRPG then why not build a traditional people mover? Steel wheels on rails is more efficient and requires much less maintenance. Level boarding means faster load/unload times and better accessibility. Incredibly simple to automate. And beyond that, the Loop was marketed to the City of Las Vegas _as_ a mass transit system, eventually connecting the entire strip and beyond. The City has actually entered a contract with The Boring Company to create a “mass transit” system now, and it has exclusivity, meaning no other transit agency can expand until the Loop finishes or flops.

[@johntheux9238]

It's a success. In fact the 29 miles extension was just approved.

[@johntheux9238]

@@LeafTheWitch Well, this extension was proposed 2 years ago and since they exceeded their 4400 people per hour goal in a test on May the 25th it's not a surprise...

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

How the mighty have fallen. While highspeed trains go more then 250 km an hour throughout Europe & Asia , and one can go from France to England in a tunnel under the sea, Musk fans are celebrating a man who build a taxi tunnel under Las Vegas.

[@valley_robot]

What you just said , my thoughts exactly

[@Lorre982]

"he" drilled less than 2km single one way tunnel under the desert here in Italy we are drilling the Solid Alps rock whit our Austrian friends 3 tunnels 57km each

[@jaxonsevero1045]

American engineering never fails to impress😭

[@ronnieradon]

IK right he could at least build something like the Lincoln Tunnel under a river but ha ha no

[@emiliospowerballer1441]

That goes 40 mph, without traffic

[@georges3799]

If Elon announced that he would build an interplanetary hyperloop to make space travel easier; I'm sure there would be plenty of eager fools ready to invest.

[@fromgermany271]

Boring a wormhole to Mars would save travel time. And would multrupple the Bored Company‘s stock value.

[@fromgermany271]

@ryckak let’s try the one way prototype with the most important man on earth. Back trip will be uploaded „over the air“ Next year.

[@aragorn1780]

He would totally be the guy to sell earth to the Vogons to make an interspace bypass xD

[@georges3799]

@@aragorn1780 His great grandfather on his mother's side is from Vogshpere.

[@fromgermany271]

@@aragorn1780 „We passed upon the stair We spoke of was and when Although I wasn't there He said I was his friend Which came as a surprise I spoke into his eyes I thought you died alone A long long time ago Oh no, not me We never lost control You're face to face With the man who sold the world“

[@DamnZodiak]

The irony about that star trek episode is that, the person who name dropped Musk as visionary ended up being from the mirror universe, where historical figures often end up morally opposite to our "prime" universe. Pretty sure that was just an oversight (like so many others in Discovery) but still hilarious IMO.

[@nobodynoone2500]

I can only hope that was no oversight at all.

[@stefanbalan3405]

Finally the comment I searched for ...

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

@@nobodynoone2500 Given what you've seen of Discovery and their "that's the power of math, people!" attitude, do you really think this show was even trying to be remotely critical of a charlatan like Musk? Discovery, much like Musk, pays lip service to the idea of science, without actually understanding much of it.

[@SpectroliteDS2400]

@@gaiusjuliuspleaser that almost makes it even funnier in an ironic way.

[@jeepersjava]

Discovery is actually so disappointing:/

[@demongannondorf]

I'm tight with an ex Tesla employee and the workplace was a nightmare. They were overworked to the point where their physical health was declining, and any time musk came through everyone walked on eggshells around him because he'd fire people at the drop of a hat

[@paulgoogol2652]

How can anybody work for such a guy? Jobs was already a prick but Musk is on a new level.

[@discoloured3492]

@@paulgoogol2652 well, elon musk is indeed smart, that intelligence made his "fans" have a cult like base, it's nothing surprising, elon musk seems like a amazing guy and what not, but if you dive a bit deeper he is a demon. A magical liar, and I don't even hate his products just him.

[@discoloured3492]

@James Tarantula yeah ngl if I said he wasn't as intelligent people gonna disregard everything I said tbh but indeed sir.

[@BradPwnsU]

@James Tarantula he's just the richest man in the world LOL

[@joshuabryant9845]

@@BradPwnsU Was, until tesla stocks dropped again. Also, this has been discussed so many times already, but wealth doesn't equal intelligence

[@twistedbunny]

lol it's comforting finding people who don't buy into all the BS, i started to think i was losing it

[@fsdfgasgfisd]

Same here

[@COMBLOCVZ58]

Hyperloop is probably the most absurd

[@imold5363]

Same hete

[@Joso997]

Thunderfoot

[@محمدالميلادي-ط5ر]

Iam curios why would you call call musk ideas and projects BS ?

[@aidanconnor2274]

Elon Musk’s “futuristic ideas” are literally just normal things run through a filter to make them less efficient and more “futuristic”

[@Asrashas]

Or just old Ideas recycled. Iirc reusable rocket stages were already proposed by von Braun during. Not sure if during his time in National Socialist Germany or at NASA. Though von Braun did never get the chance to work on it practically. And I'm not sure if it would have been feasible with the technology back then.

[@highlander918]

The fact that Mars is his first priority when it comes to space says a lot. The moon is way more lucrative

[@michealfreeman9714]

The filter is also used to make it more profitable for the individual selling it

[@simper4951]

@@Asrashas Why is it a problem that it was an old idea, what people like about Musk is that he and his team of workers made it happen. Nobody actually belives he designs the rockets, cars, flamethrowers or neurallinks himself. It is just that he made it happen fast, while no one else seems to be making any significant progress towards the future.

[@ooccoo6890]

@@simper4951 Finally!!

[@jefferyjones8399]

I believe in a future where people don’t idolize billionaires who haven’t invented anything like Musk.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

I immediately treat anything from a Billionaire with extreme scepticism, the only Billionaire I might give a pass too is Gabe Newell, dropping to mere scepticism instead, which is the normal stance one should take with any claim.

[@Silent_Shadow]

@@DoomsdayR3sistance Completely agree with you.

[@airshipflea5219]

I don't think inventing or not inventing has anything to do with it. Not all billionaires have made their money by inventing. Although their practices should receive extreme scepticism, unfortunately the common man is more concerned about their outrageously lavish lifestyle.

[@skaruts]

There will always be people idolizing cons. I mean, there's a reason what they do is called a confident-trick: they get people's confidence through appealing speech; they get people to like them, look up to them, trust them, etc, and then they get people's wealth while giving no wealth in return.

[@PascalSWE]

@@airshipflea5219 No one becomes a billionaire by invention alone. Even if you invented many useful things youre unlikely to become that rich. Its better to exploit those who invent if you want to become a billionaire

[@jotriDerSalzige]

Elon Musk is treated like he's a visionary just because he watched Blade Runner and thought 'I can make this real!' without wasting a second thinking about it realistically.

[@ceezmad1]

I agree about the loop, people criticize it as inefficient compared to trains, but people ignore that is a marketing scheme for his cars and keeps important people away from us, the unwashed masses.

[@StNick119]

I believe he said this at some point himself, saying that he hated public transport and that having to spend time in enclosed spaces with strangers should be undesirable to everyone.

[@electric7487]

@@StNick119 Yes, and he got called out for it. *"In cities, [Felon Musk's] hatred of sharing space with strangers is a luxury (or pathology) that only the rich can afford. Letting him design cities is the essence of elite projection."*

[@theovanhurtere]

If you own a car manufacturer you can't be mad at traffic. Wanting most of the cars in traffic to be manufactured by your company makes way more sense. All he did was make it obvious, to the ones who didn't know, that quality public transportation is superior.

[@williansouza8724]

nevermind that the tunnels are actually terribly dangerous in case of an accident. if one tesla’s battery pack catches on fire down there it’s game over for everyone.

[@MrMarinus18]

You also need to look at the rebuttals the Musk fans give trying to point out how much cheaper it is than metro. That kind of points out that saving the rich money is more important than providing service to the poor. I never thought having trains be commercial made sense. They are a public service to allow for people to meet and for the poor to work away from home and visit places. A good public transportation system should be government ran and funded as an indirect service to the poor. If some middle and rich people use it, that's good for the climate but it's main purpose should be for the poor. Musk's argument that in a train you could get robbed is actually why we should have trains. So that the rich can't so easily isolate themselves from the pain they inflict on the poor.

[@Eric-ye5yz]

I first lost respect for Elon Musk when he said he was going to build a small submarine to rescue the football team trapped in a cave in Thailand. He expected them to wait while he grandstanded to get hero status.

[@dylanschmidt9056]

And called one of divers helping with the rescue effort a pedophile.

[@JCDenton3]

And called the actual hero who organized and led a team to rescue the boys, a pedophile simply because he politely refused the worthless submarine that would never have made it past the sharp bend in the cave that was causing so many problems.

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Then he called actual volunteers pedophiles for trying to save kids.

[@maggiee639]

Yeah I remember that and thinking how weird it was

[@Elliot_97]

He asked the Thai authorities on the ground there if such a thing might be useful, and they told him that it would and to proceed with development. Nobody waited around for it. His behaviour after the fact was shameful, however.

[@djsmithe]

The genius of Elon Musk is he gets people to believe this BS.

[@brainbomb.]

Actually that makes him the world's biggest conman.

[@thedolphin5428]

Nope. It's NOT his genius. It's merely the stupidity of his listeners. Just like all demagogues, despots, snake oil salesmen who prey on idiots, they all know there's one born every minute. No magic or mtstery or genius involved

[@scrggddsdfd82]

The foolishness of you is you get people to believe in your BS without valid argument

[@thedolphin5428]

@@peterbishop6163 That's called idealist and show-off altruism. Just like well known billionaires who donate to charity (Gates), and Musk now does. Thousands of rich people are philanthropists, but you never hear about them. Why? Because their gifting is more important than their notoriety for gifting. But the real underlying motive in Musk is massive ego, a need for people to love him, notice him, praise him, and think his cockamaime ideas are "genius". So Musk gives away a few million p.a. in patent rights. Only proves he thinks his stupid ideas should be given away for free and have some futuristic benefit to mankind. He has saviour complex, pure and simple.

[@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000]

@@googlelord1678 Which is also called con man. That's like saying Bernie Madoff was a good business man. Because his con knew how to play the market and get people to give him money.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

around 21:25 "Young people seem to want to believe in the future again", odd thought, but I have to wonder if it is that we believe in the future or that we so thoroughly don't believe in the present that we feel a need to cling on to something else. I don't know if anyone else agrees or disagrees but it seems interesting to question whether millenials and younger people are so much pro-future as anti-present?

[@Tom_Nicholas]

I think that's a really good point. I definitely agree that the emergent belief in the future amongst younger people comes to some extent from a massive sense of disenfranchisement in the present. I guess I kinda argued that in my Millennial Socialism video (although I made that so long ago now that I can't quite remember what the argument of that video was!).

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@Tom_Nicholas lol forgetting stuff you did, I can relate to that with some of the papers and classes I've taken.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Haha, I've been editing my PhD recently and the amount of times I've gone back to a chapter and been like "oh wow, yeah, I forgot about this bit" is ridiculous.

You've just put me on a spiral, mate

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@ You have no idea how happy it makes me to do that to people

[@marcuscarana9240]

Elon Musk is indeed very skillful, very intelligent and a genius not as a scientist or an engineer but as a conman. Being able to fool so many people into believing your lies is something that is actually very difficult to do but Musk has perfected it. He was able to paint himself as this technology saint that would guide humanity into evolution despite the fact 99 percent of the work was done by unrecognised workers.

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

You are underestimating idiots. How many of those people he comvinces are intelligent people?

[@wizardtim8573]

Eh? All you have to do to get a lot of people to believe your lies is tell MORE than a lot of people those lies. This isn't rocket science, this is basic psychology 101. If you tell a thousand people that there are Martians on Mars, chances are you're going to convince a few hundred that there actually ARE Martians on Mars. Some dude said the world was Flat. Guess where this example is going.

[@CloudyMcCloud00]

I don't think he's a liar at all. He seems to really believe his own BS.

[@loripower7819]

Do you have any proof of his skills, intelligence and genius? Have you heard him speak?

[@arkoisagoodboy]

You're using technology he invented right now.

[@737e7dhs4]

By what I have understood, most people think his main Objective is removing the line between rich and poor but in reality he is just making it broader

[@OlivierGabin]

"The Loop is not a mass transportation system, but a transportation system for the elite, to separate them from the vulgus pecum" (I rewrite it slightly but I keep the idea) - Excellent definition. And you see this in every projects he made : designed for an elite, not a masse... This decryption key of Musk behaviour is highly pertinent, thanks a lot to formulate it.

[@lucabrandalesi1265]

Not only: he focuses on private and single transportation, which is not the solution to climate change. He wants to move containers with single, battery powered pods, which will create massive pollution and more poverty in places where they mine lithium, while freight trains exist already. Also, his family got rich with apartheid. It's enough for me to not like him

[@GeneralLiuofBoston1911]

@@lucabrandalesi1265 I will say it again and again. *inhales* WE NEED ELECTRIFIED HEAVY AND LIGHT RAIL NOT BATTERY POWERED HYPERLOOP PODS *exhales* If we keep using such an idea like his "personalized" whatever and designing it to entice the type of kids who stream on twitch. RGB lighting, boxy vehicle design, and the feeling to travel "in style". His plans do not put the interest of the common people like his Space X program or whatever rocket plan to shoot people to their destination "in just 30 minutes"* *travel time does not include refueling, security checks, travel by boat to his ocean platforms, boarding the boat, security check at the boat, departing the boat, boarding the rocket, and departing the rocket. We have the means to transport mass amounts of people with electric vehicles (electric trains, which have existed for over 100 years). We know it works, it is widely used, and uses much less amounts of batteries or rocket fuel that Elon Musk plans to use.

[@mrinank8494]

We'll all these usually lead to a lot of innovation along the way. A lot of innovation came from the first space race, including asthma inhalers. Battery technology meant for cars can also be used for storage in the future, which would remove one of the major limitations of renewable energy. He's just answering a demand, because American transport is Anyway highly personalized. Everyone already owns a car. No one says cars are designed for the elite. Sure, there are a bunch of problems with lack of mass transportation, but that's the governments fault. Musk is simply responding to demand for better private transportation.

[@minidreschi2]

I just don't understand how can he call himself socialist? Is he giving something "back"? Doing something i don't know?

[@lucabrandalesi1265]

@@minidreschi2 no he's not. He's trying to appeal to young people who are trying to understand what socialism is and make them new clients for his rich people's toys

[@judithbradford9130]

finally, I hear someone else hit exactly the same point I have been making about Musk since he announced his hyperloop idiocy. he's never fantasized solutions to social problems; everything he presents AS such are really the world's richest man dreaming up ways to solve his own personal pet peeves, from having to be delayed by traffic to his social network of preference being moderated according to imperatives other than his preference.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Yep. Exactly.

[@lebrigand4115]

Making electric cars cool in the eye of the public isn't even Musk's idea. It was the idea of the two founders of Tesla.

[@lbanepa]

that car that elon musk sent to space belonged to one of the founders.. founder was supposed to get it originally, but somehow elon managed to steal it from him

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

What y'all don't realise is that without elon entering tesla and making investments in it's initial stages, the company wouldn't even exist today. Elon saved tesla from getting bankrupt. Go look at it's history.

[@lebrigand4115]

@@JeyAnirudhJekka So you admit he's not a visionary, he's just a dude that injected cash in Tesla. Nobody disputes that.

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

@@lebrigand4115 if he wanted to make money, why would he invest in a failing company that too especially in a time where electric cars were mocked at? There were so many other easier ways he could have made money other than investing into a startup whose future was looking bleak at that time? Why would he take such a risk?

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

@@lebrigand4115 and about the visionary thing, he's already visionary enough for me for making reusable space rockets which revolutionised the space industry. Only because of him now almost all private companies are pushing towards reusable rockets which can make space travel sustainable.

[@mrnigl1]

I was a Musk fan. Years ago. After looking at him more closely i realized hes nothing more than a snake oil salesman. He sells hopes and dreams that will never come true.

[@apex107lrp]

...or they do come close to his claims, but the price is way higher...or the price is close but the product falls short of the claims. Either way, he's half full of sh$t.

[@haddenindustries2922]

Exactly right! Wasn't a fan of him but I respected him for his efforts until he called a rescue worker a pedophile. After that did some digging and the man is literally the opposite of what the mainstream/fanboys make him out to be. I didn't even know that tesla does pay dividends to it's share holders! This type of stuff screams SCAM to me personally.

[@paulmarchano7238]

People need to be critical thinkers and take the good and bad of these so called “inspirational idols”. Many just want to eat whatever smells good without asking what’s actually in the food.

[@joshmarshall7610]

But that's the problem really, isn't it? Current society, and more importantly, the younger generations have seemingly lost the ability to be critical thinkers, they devour anything put in front of them, whether it's good or bad. The amount of idiotic "news" handed out on social media and even mainstream media, is taken as fact, without any question

[@paulmarchano7238]

@@joshmarshall7610 I concur wholeheartedly.

[@claynorth964]

@@joshmarshall7610 this might be a shocker but, people have ALWAYS been that stupid; its in our nature.

[@thegoodsmaster]

@@johnbiscuit8272 he gets tax breaks no other company gets. our government see and economic incentive to build electric car. "the red scare" in chinas 3 large EV manufactures pushing tesla out of china. so they will orchestrate geopolitical moves to ensure musk has the supplies to remain dominant. like overthrowing countries that have rare minerals essential to batteries. the same way we disrupt central america and the middle east for oil for gas production. so hes technically spending our money through under the table agreement for more materials for manufacturing supplies and to boost tesla share price. hell nancy pelosi sold some stock option when biden made his go EV initiative

[@whatwhale5888]

@@joshmarshall7610 lol ok boomer. The younger generation isnt the ones you should be worried about when it comes to critical thinking skills. Gen z and millennials arent the ones out there legit believing bill gates is microchipping us with the vaccine or whatever

[@ragalyiakos]

I was so invested in your recap of 20th and 21st century attitudes towards the future, that I was I completely shocked when you brought up Musk again, and then realized "Oh yeah, this video was about Elon Musk, I forgot!"

[@nobodynoone2500]

It deserves its own video TBH. The "cancelling of the future" happens every few decades as governments legislate an "engineering Freeze" of sorts to figure out how to rule others in the new landscape.

[@murraymadness4674]

Agree, the first half was interesting, have not heard that interpretation of history, but it makes sense, glad to have watched it. The rest I stopped watching it half way through. Must is just another billionaire and tesla is just another car company. The Roadster days it was something great. Then Musk took over and made it unspecial.

[@onedwinone]

Sounds somebody who loves to voice his own thoughts ,or what hes been trained to think at college.

[@benm3382]

@@murraymadness4674 well you should have watched the rest because you obviously have no idea what he was about to say. His main point is that Musk excites people because he openly thinks about the future, but that people should be more aware of the fact that Musks plans for the future involve helping the elite few survive against the many.

[@paulryan2128]

@@onedwinone So go on ... what more do you have to say?

[@petergreene4428]

A real missed opportunity not naming your character for this one “Major Tom”...great video (as always)

[@averyjackblack7420]

Lol for real 😹

[@noahzemp3105]

I was just listening the when i clicked on this video 🤯

[@itstrbo]

Ostensibly "Tom" was Major Tom's last name ...its not common to refer to military members by rank and first name

[@john-paulhunt9798]

@@averyjackblack7420 mmm. Nods watching music video once.

[@averyjackblack7420]

@@john-paulhunt9798 🌹✨

[@evertonc1448]

*Musk is good at making himself look smart in front of ignorant people.* I think one of the eye openers for me to fully see Musk for what he is was when he decided to be into cryptocurrencies and became a Blockchain specialist in a couple months: his revolutionary solution to Blockchain transaction prices and speed? Increase the block size. He said this in 2021, that was proved to not work 7 years ago by actual Blockchain software engineers in the Bitcoin foundation and was actually practically tried by the Bitcoin Cash fork.

[@homevalueglass3809]

Yeah and pumping doge coin? I'm surprised Elon hasn't made his own cryptocurrency yet and move beyond POW but perhaps he doesn't feel like getting sued by the SEC.

[@Chance57]

Elon Musk is the Jordan Peterson of tech bros? Makes sense. The Venn diagram of their acolytes is nearly a perfect circle.

[@pm6127]

@DeeDee both have a cult following especially the incel types.

[@toufikhb253]

@DeeDee in what way is a jp a charlatan ? What does he sell tho?

[@Mariajbh2]

He is a sophist, the sophists do that they are seducers of the ignorants

[@zarfmouse]

Discovery Season 1 Spoilers: Let's not overlook that the Star Trek character who cited Musk as a hero later turns out to be an evil doppelganger from a universe where human culture glorifies cruelty, competition, and treachery.

[@JewTube001]

it's really fitting for lorca to bring up musk and the way he did it.

[@khadijakenneth5107]

Oh my God, I didn't even realize! Man, that's clever of the writers. Well spotted

[@jalpat2272]

@@khadijakenneth5107 or might be just unintended part, as The STDs writer answered a question on why there is paraplegic crew member on discovery with dumber answer that paraplegic is part of identity pride.

[@jonkomatsu8192]

Perhaps the alien meant Jeff Bezos, but got his Earth history mixed up. Hah! 😏

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

Frankly, they should have known on the spot something was wrong with that guy.

[@worker-wf2em]

I think it could also be a lot simpler in that Musk continually makes these grandiose promises to keep his stock value in a perpetual state of over-inflation

[@bryberkson491]

Musk fans often say "Well, I trust him because he's successful." As well as being a big ass fallacy, it is exhausting

[@mock15halo]

I don't recall seeing "Well, I trust him because he's successful." being a comment that's made often. Do I trust Bezos because he's successful? Do I trust Stalin because he was successful (when it comes to gaining power)? No. I more-so often hear people trusting him because he's decided to do things with his money that has advanced mankind in certain sectors when he easily could have cashed out his shares when stocks peaked or made some boring fucking company that gave nothing back to the world.

[@Sednas]

Strawman fallacy, nobody ever said that genius.

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

@@mock15halo People trust him, or more likely, pay attention to him because he has a history of having targets that are considered unlikely to succeed and he reached some of them against all odds. That can be exciting to witness or at least entertaining.

[@420raulduke]

Literally saw this argument here in the comments.

[@SiriusMined]

Well said "he's duped a lot of other people, so I'll be duped too!"

[@esdraslopez4658]

So many people equate Elon Musk with a real life Tony Stark, but the truth is while both are man babies, Tony Stark actually invented stuff.

[@doctorwholover1012]

Musk is all bark no bite, at least the fictional character Tony Stark has some goddamn bite

[@Skrenja]

Tony Stark is a “man baby.” Uh, how exactly?

[@esdraslopez4658]

@@doctorwholover1012 thats what Im saying

[@esdraslopez4658]

@@Skrenja Iron Man 2, nuff said

[@mr.perfectcell1887]

Now now, Musk DID set up his charging stations as the primary source of power for electric cars, then patent just the shape of his ports so no other cars could use his stations, to hurt other electric car companies. Wait a minute...

[@blank4181]

"Elon musks utopia is not Startrek. It's Bladerunner." -Adam Something

[@Skrenja]

I like that quote but Adam Something is a tool.

[@hellNo116]

as someone who studies engineering the more i learn about the field any admiration i had for musk is quickly lost.

[@alphaomega6023]

Why?

[@hellNo116]

@@alphaomega6023 he just speak out of his ass on many subjects he has no firm knowledge on. he overworks my fellow engineers and acts like their achievements are his. he wasn't even the original owner of tesla. he happened to be the one to popularise it. also his motive of space exploration are not purely scientific so if left unchecked by the scientific community could result in situations that ppl end up fighting of ownership over mars and maybe even access to findings.

[@GG-jn9fx]

Exact same thing happened to me lol you begin to realize real innovation is done through insane amounts of cross discipline collaboration.

[@GG-jn9fx]

@@alphaomega6023 for me, the thought of someone marketing himself as this prophet like inventor is no different then one of those ig stock market gurus. Real innovation takes a lot of teamwork and it’s slow as shit (Not saying we should stop innovating).

[@hellNo116]

@@GG-jn9fx that ^. it is so annoying that we have many times be forced to reinvent the wheel. they are so many problems solved but are not published and are in the libraries of some companies.

[@jrg2866]

TL;DW: Anyone who says they can save the world with the power of *product* isn't saving you, they're selling to you.

[@askzeidler-due7975]

please tell me when elon musk claimed to be saving the world? i mean really, it isn't him that's claiming to be saving the world, its his fans. he has both negative and positive aspects, everybody does. i mean sure you can say that he has done moral things. but you cannot deny that he has greatly aided the advancement of space technology, electric cars, batteries, solar panels, etc. he is not a saint, but he is not the devil either.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank The only input consumers can give is "how much money would I pay for this." With clever advertising, you can make your consumer base pay way more for a product that barely does anything. For example, you could make car owners think that travelling in a massive underground road network will avert the climate catastrophe, when in reality, it's much better to take a bus or a train.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank Public transit systems have to be developed by local governments, not companies. Nearly all of their funding comes from taxpayers, not ticket fares, and because of our government's hesitation to spend, they're falling apart across the country. And at any rate, transportation doesn't account for most carbon emissions. While it does account for 28% of US emissions, there's still electricity production, agriculture, and more. www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions Keeping track of all of the power companies, food companies, and problematic industries is extremely difficult at best. Any plan that relies on a majority of people doing that will fail.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank I support public transit because I live in the most densely populated city in the country, and I need to use it to get anywhere. There's no comparison shopping and no marketing, save for notices announcing plans to renovate stations. Subways and buses aren't products marketed to us, they're basic infrastructure cities need to function, like roads. You seem to think that I'm arguing that the concept of marketing is evil, and I'm not; I'm saying that ads can be misleading. Marketing for products ranging from electric cars to bottled water constantly greenwash to make you think that you're helping the environment by giving them money, but you aren't.

[@lordchipmonk1]

The two are not mutually exclusive. Just as someone giving you something for no cost does not always benefit you.

[@lenareuti9063]

I once read a statement saying " the future is already here. Its just not evenly distributed" and that works quite well for this video too imo

[@FreyaEinde]

Can you imagine the brass balls you’ve got to have to declare the future dead. But beyond that one dude culture has largely done that. Declaring all good things being contained in the past and insisting that everything new is of lesser quality and should be instantly dismissed.I think this ideal more than anything holds the status quo in place. Like there’s this insistence that we’ve tried all the ideas and they were a bust, and that’s untrue. We never got near to fulfilling MLK’s Dream or really tackling any of these progressive ideas we had. Even though we have the resources we kneecap ourselves from investing in anything that doesn’t yield an instant profit. Most of these ideas from the past that we prize were all were snuffed out early and we don’t even know what the results would be if we shuffled things around. The insistence that nothing can ever change is an insidious one and until we can really acknowledge that we’ll be kinda stuck in this slump.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Along similar lines, at some point, I want to do a video about dystopian fiction which asks whether there's something inherently conservative about it, at least as it exists in the present day. Past works which engage with ideas of dystopia (1984 or The Time Machine for instance) often had a very specific critique to make about a very specific form of politics/societal structure; in the present, there is often a much broader suggestion that "nothing can ever change for the better".

[@FreyaEinde]

@@Tom_Nicholas oh that'll be neat, I've been thinking lately that dystopic fiction in recent years really do depend on the idea of exceptionalism and the acknowledgement of it as the main means for revolution. And how that's kind of a flawed concept, hunger games doesn't count in this but it's derivatives really do.

[@kasiar1540]

He sounds like a genocidal maniac

[@FreyaEinde]

@John Smith Can they live in balance if they're opposed in theory and practice to one another? Like it's nice to imagine that things can just naturally stay in the middle but in the middle of where? Political ideologies pull and eventually one side pulls harder. It's not realistic that opposing forces will bring a balance unless you're just talking about the eventual acceptance that hierarchal suffering is good for the benefit of most that allegedly comes with age.

[@FreyaEinde]

@Technocracy is Tyranny I can't presume to know what the thoughts of a man who was murdered by his own government might be. But he'd probably be okay with those movements since they're non violent.

[@synthiandrakon]

I think what demonstrates most clearly that musk isn't doing what he does because he cares about the environment was Tesla's repeated refusal to adopt a universal charging port for their cars. Or how there is basically no way to get a Tesla fixed without going directly to the company. It feels like they just really want some form of monopoly

[@donflamingo795]

Basically Apple

[@goldendemise3165]

Oh so how many mechanics shop can properly fixed an electric car..... Please tell me, and if something goes wrong on the road Tesla will get blasted by the media.

[@rejvaik00]

Yep, pretty much Tesla hates the "right to repair" and they are trying very hard to lobby with lawmakers to ensure that no one can modify, or repair a car except for the company themselves

[@pranavpatil1362]

he can't, he doesn't have proper knowledge about manufacturing, car gaints such as BMW, mercedes and many more are rolling out their EVs and they know how to sell them unlike musk.

[@synthiandrakon]

@@goldendemise3165 electric cars are relatively simple machines in fact they are less complicated than gas powered cars, it's not impossible for shops figure out how do fix them

[@Dan-ud8hz]

"In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face." Diogenes

[@transvestosaurus878]

2400 year old 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@planets9102]

@Jeff Jeff A man of culture I see.

[@user-pq9gy3fq1q]

I really don't get Diogenes, sure, he was a homeless savage that spits philosophy in to the rich, but he's also a homeless savage that spits philosophy into the rich and basically anyone else.

[@Invizive]

Diogenes was talking about people who lived worse than modern average low class. He was against any posessions and favoured "canine" way of living that meant total ridicule of any comfort in life - in some ways he was more egoistic than people he criticized.

[@appleslover]

@@Just_Pele can I ask you something, what is the west ? What are the boundaries of the "west" ? Which countries are "western" ? I ask because the term is being used and misused to the point it lost it's meaning just like how "first world" changed from a political noun to a financial/social adjective

[@GameDevNerd]

Elon Musk's "futurism" is really just bits and pieces of stuff he saw in old Science Channel documentaries and claims he's gonna do. I see it all the time where the media credits him with some lofty idea like having brain-computer interfaces or a Mars colony and I actually saw the same ideas on a Science Channel documentary 10 or 20 years ago. Elon just has a similar taste for documentaries to mine, but I never tried to take credit for the ideas to impress the more ignorant majority of our society ... in retrospect, I should have!

[@blocksource4192]

Same retrospect here, why should I and my family run businesses legally? We should all just lie about our profits, functionality, etc and sell broken company to rich men!

[@patrickcardon1643]

Don't forget to name everything X-sumthing

[@porters.5811]

I think a more accurate title might be: "The Deceptive Futurism of Elon Musk"

[@nishantak911]

fake is more alliterative

[@rafaeterna1081]

@@peskypigeonxlet's be honest, his opinion doesn't matter to you vice versa lol

[@gcburns4]

I'd disagree with it. I do think Musk seeks legend and legacy status, but I do not think he is an elitist at all. I think he is far less driven by money than most near his level. He has consistently pushed for industry wide change, government change, and more competition in the sake of making technology more affordable. Even with respect to the intro to this video, Musk has commented at length and even structured the Starship program to make Mars as accessible to all as possible. (he thinks it can eventually be like 150k) . I generally think he is very open and honest and views himself in very human ways.. but he absolutely wants the world to never forget his name. For the record, I do not think there will be any colony on Mars in pretty much anyone's lifetime. Hurdles are massive and unseen. A scientific outpost in a decade or so would be cool though.

[@Anonymous-vr6ph]

For me Elon Musk is one of the only humans on this planet (that I know) who is really trying to change something. Even if for me above all counts, that he tries with all means to escape the extinction of our species. This he tries by founding a company whereby he wants to send people to Mars. And even if I could now explain how this helps mankind, I am not here because of that. Because even if he runs a company like almost every other capitalist, he tries with this company something that no one else does. I would bet on governmental institutions (like NASA) but they are absolutely not relevant anymore (This is supported by the fact that mankind has not been on the moon for about 50 years). And of course now again people can come and argue that we should not look at the sky but on the ground of the facts. However, I would strongly recommend them to deal with our future and the possibility of space exploration. Period.

[@zico739]

No, “fake” is the best word to go with.

[@myreply1714]

Well, Elon Musk isn't the first to have the idea of underground roads. Underground roads were planned even by H!tler in his "Germania project".

[@jamesboulger8705]

Is Musk's next project to deflood the Mediterranean?

[@davitdavid7165]

Did you also see his visions of the reichstag? Dude was not cool, but his meth filled head had ideas....

[@comdrive3865]

hail capitalism

[@matsab7930]

Interesting historical tidbit but not exactly relevant. Hitler was a big proponent of investing in infrastructure in general; that doesn't mean investing in infrastructure brings you in any way in line with Hitler.

[@myreply1714]

@@matsab7930 I didn't intent to be relevant. I just wanted to make a little pun.

[@MidnightIam]

When master and slave both pray to the same God, someone's prayer isn't getting answered

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

Unless that God doesn’t have respect for so-called human status.

[@sirkiz1181]

@@STAR-RADIANCE I don’t think you understood what he said

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

@@sirkiz1181 yeah I understand the statement. I also understand that God doesn’t respect human status. God can answer both prayers. He will answer based upon their motives.

[@sirkiz1181]

@@STAR-RADIANCE You still don’t understand what Op said. His point is that slave wouldn’t be a slave if God was answering his prayers

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

@@sirkiz1181 yeah I understand. What you don’t understand is that anyone who prays to God needs to repent, slave and master alike, before God is going to hear their prayer. God does not distinguish between the two the same way we do. The slave may remain a slave until God says otherwise. The point is that God’s ways are not our ways.

[@neku2741]

Elon's idea of change always involved himself making a lot of money.

[@felipebs01]

Came to see a video about Elon Musk and got a masterclass in politics and economy. We don't see great content like this everyday. With youtube filled with misguided and fake information this is precious!

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Thanks Felipe, glad you liked it!

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Musk is a divine being incarnating in a man. You, a cockroach fart.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Hes half joking. Marx wasnt telling intellectually honest human intelligence about genetics being the culprit. Its funny because Ashkenazi play by the same plumage. IQ is easy to select for unlike unpredictable capabilities: the frontal lobe, which our hebrew pals definitely gave up some brains. The future is ethical stabilization of the genome exception being the liabilities, like a national park might. Musk is literally just on a level you completely underestimate because you take his words at face value. But integrity is irrelevant, its viewership that counts right?

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnrMpmOEjNp2pbc @ 07:32 What would be the point of Communism if we made the instinct for deception for political social gain extinct with genetic engineering? If we are lightyears across space as a civilization, how do we preserve being human? Random mutation does not stop unless you act. You might as well be seeding the galaxy with alien competitors across cosmic timescales. Musk literally cant hold people's hand because they are legitimately too stupid to understand, so he trolls. Your content is garbage.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Lets see you pull a jordan peterson and remove the comments even if they have achieved thousands of likes by the time i have something eye catching to say.

[@G0DofRock]

Elon Musk wants to build roads at the bottom of the ocean... Fanboys: "WOW that's sooo ambitious..." -_-

[@G0DofRock]

I remember just a few years ago how 'insane' it was to think that there was still water on Mars... Now Elon Musk suggests living there, on a planet with no atmosphere or conditions to survive... And this is somehow going to be an escape from Earth once climate-change has dealt catastrophic effects. You do realize that the planet will still be habitable and we will for the most part have breathable air? This Mars bullshit, Hyperloop, it's all just one big Theranos project that they are keeping hush-hush about, and will continue to downplay the lack of progress so that he can reach unfathomable wealth via investors (which he has done) so that he can retreat into his series of underground bunkers on THIS planet once shit hits the fan.

[@yb7607]

Exactly!

[@paulgoogol2652]

Call them fanbots instead. Bots will be bots.

[@paulgoogol2652]

@@G0DofRock Yup probably even 50 years after climate change kicked in (say 2050) and after a global nuclear war, earth may be more habitable.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

@@G0DofRock I think you've missed the point of the Mars trip a bit. Elon has said multiple times why he thinks it's important to get off Earth, and never once was it, "Our planet is fucked, lol." I'm not his biggest fan either, but the idea that we should get off Earth is based on the idea of ANY apocalyptic event, which is statistically inevitable to happen at some point. If we have people living off of planet Earth, and it's wiped out by a disease, or by an asteroid, or yes even catastrophic backlash from climate change, the human species would survive. That's his whole idea, and to reduce it down to him saying we should abandon Earth is just quite simply a strawman, and no argument that Elon has voiced.

[@nonemongo]

I really hope musk's mars colony will become a thing. Imagine the horror in people's eyes when they arrive at mars and find they've joined a dictatorship lol

[@pbxn-3rdx-85percent]

The dictatorship will just be a minor thing. They'll be running out of food and cannibalism will be a necessity on Mars. Let's give Musk's fanboys a nice farewell. 😂😄

[@leonordmann]

This really reminds me of the show "Snowpiercer".

[@wasniahc1]

@@leonordmann hell yeah good movie

[@murdelabop]

Most of them will be Musk fanbois. They'll think living in a city-state ruled by Elon is just great. At least at first.

[@jamesboulger8705]

@@leonordmann More like Total Recall. In the film, it is clear the government of Mars is a corporate one, with totalitarian control over the population.

[@nothinglastsforever0000]

This aged like a fine wine

[@MichaelJones-wj4mo]

Crazy to think that now Musk has intentionally and publicly sided with conservative thought. It’s interesting that this political changeover happened as he became the richest man on the planet. He likes the status quo quite a lot

[@idsbraam]

'A real life tony stark' Aaannnddd Musk makes weapon delivery systems now.

[@MotoGoato]

I'm wondering where his flying weaponised robotic wearable suit is ......

[@chadmueller9135]

@@MotoGoato that would actually be a badass invention. His Teslas sure aren't.

[@poisondamage2182]

@@MotoGoato musk is pre iron man tony stark, the one that thinks war-profiteering is good actually

[@koreboredom4302]

@@poisondamage2182 is it too late to call up some middle eastern terrorists?

[@robertstan298]

You mean his workers are...

[@TheManWithTheFlan]

WRT Elon Musk being mentioned in Star Trek: Discovery, and this is a SPOILER, Captain Lorca, the character referring to Musk as a pioneer is from an evil mirror universe ruled by a fascist human supremacist space empire. So honestly I take it as a huge hint at where he turns out to be from.

[@_zurr]

That is amazing and hilarious!

[@dalathar]

besides utopian future was depicted in star trek TNG, but dicovery?... sorry but i ll remain in TNG universe all day long

[@dystopiaahoy]

They added that as a nice twist, but the 'good' Elon would also have existed in 'our' universe. Only the evil ones bothered mentioning him though...lol. Elon was in at least one episode of Star Trek as a tech.

[@ARGHouse504]

Elon Reeves Musk, Terran Emperor of the early 21st century.

[@mireillecopin6183]

Reminds me of when I watched Venom, I joked that Life Foundation could be compared to Space X. Plus I've always thought that if you just put Musk as a character in a movie, there's no way he would be anything else than the villain.

[@TheLinkinc]

Tom, escaping the effects of the climate crisis to Mars is like avoiding drowning in a puddle by jumping into the ocean...

[@mizutofu]

the real climate crisis will only be caused by the eruption of a supervolcano

[@kedrednael]

@@mizutofu Or nuclear war

[@nuuuuuut]

@@mizutofu We're already in a "real climate crisis"...

[@mizutofu]

@@nuuuuuut so why is no one preparing for supervolcano?

[@nuuuuuut]

@@mizutofu There's really no way to prepare for that or predict it.

[@harpermcalpineblack8573]

The reason Musk's ideas resonate with people is because his vision is pure adolescent science fiction. Sci-fi movies sold us a future. Anyone raised on sci-fi movies, or Star trek etc., will think the trajectory of history is with Musk. I'm not surprised he has a big fan base.

[@patrickcardon1643]

Vaporware sells

[@FatManJackson]

For someone who claims or wants to appear as to represent TESLA with his company, he idolizes EDISON too much. This should already make you think about the person he really is.

[@loneranger4282]

lmfao

[@user-gd4ty2nq3u]

elaborate what you believe he is by idolizing edison

[@FatManJackson]

@@user-gd4ty2nq3u someone who loves attention and approval. Someone who values marketing more than innovating. Someone who likes money more than helping humanity.

[@N1tr063nFr05trhym3]

Tesla freak vibes

[@FatManJackson]

@@N1tr063nFr05trhym3 Tesla freak? No, I am just someone who admires REAL innovators, not people who pose as such. Who knows if Musk really knows ANYTHING about what his company is doing? He could even just be studying a script and then presenting it to us. I am not saying this is true, but he definitely cares more about the way he presents himself to the world than a true, unmentioned scientist.

[@1monki]

T.I.N.A. There is no alternative. Or rather, no alternative visions are allowed. So it becomes easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of our neo-liberal capitalism.

[@lintecassidy206]

Damn, that's exactly it. Moreover, the end of neo-liberal capitalism is framed as the end of the world, or at least the destruction of society

[@qvmdaboss]

a great man killed himself after writing a book about it

[@Rahul-in3pv]

@@qvmdaboss dont leave us hanging like that!!

[@marscrasher]

Rahul the original comment is a quote from a book by mark fisher called capitalist realism. The great man who killed himself is mark fisher. Read his book its very good

[@eutopia8170]

Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher - Review (ft. Dumpster Flower) kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2fIh36Vnt-bfqM

[@ketrakrelek2347]

as a civil engineer i've always rolled my eyes at the hyperloop for being super inefficient (similarly for his idea to use excavated soil to make earth bricks, it's not that simple! 😅) but you pointing out that we shouldn't assume his schemes are actually for everyone/the public totally makes the inefficiencies make sense. anyway thanks for another great explanation of theory, this science phd student really appreciates the clear but not patronising introductions to ideas :)

[@bri1085]

Which hyperloop idea? The pressurised pipe or, subways, but for cars?

[@unknownsoldier452]

@@bri1085 Don't bother, these people could not tell the difference even if you presented them with the schematics.

[@mattheworegan5371]

You can really teel who Musk is when his response to affordable housing is "yeah, the proles can have my dirt"

[@akzebraminer]

I don’t think hyperloop would work, Elon Musk isn’t even working on it himself.

[@brianleonard6598]

@@unknownsoldier452 Found the Musk fanboy

[@keremmorgul367]

Can’t believe I can watch such high quality content on KZbin. Thanks a lot to everyone involved in the production.

[@mohebbi71]

I’m a little bummed you didn’t call it Musk-ular Futurism

[@korawega6293]

Yeah it was right there man

[@Groovebot3k]

Musk-ular Futurism is actually perfect as a satirical dig, in my opinion, because for all the talk of Musk as being RL Tony Stark I've always thought of him as RL Lex Luthor.

[@Pencil0fDoom]

arash mohebbi or Muskular Distophy.

[@Pencil0fDoom]

Groovebot 3000 when he let slip about the cut-to-the-chase Martian terraforming strategy of NUKING THE POLES on the red planet, I recall someone nervously kidding that he might actually be a Super-Villain. Made a lot of sense, really.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@Pencil0fDoom How does that make you a super villain? Is not like anyone lives on Mars.

[@aalex100]

The thing is, futurism began as a progressive aesthetic and later became political by affiliating with revolutionary movements. Nowadays it's once again depoliticized and reduced to mere aesthetics, because none of these 'futuristic projects' are about overcoming the social and economic problems we're facing today, and *the future* isn't just having weird-looking electrocars, you know. As for Corbyn and AOC/Sanders, it's really weird to see how very basic center-left politics are nowadays perceived as a radical thought after years of neoliberal stagnation and I'm having mixed feelings about it. Of course, it's a preferred alternative to the rising far-right, but like every other social democracy it just doesn't have any real futuristic programme, it all just comes to making the existing stuff more egalitarian.

[@SpoopySquid]

Reminds me how cyberpunk started out as a scathing critique of capitalism but has since been coopted and is now mostly just "cool cyber-arms and neon"

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Futurism actually became affiliated with Italian Fascism so it wasn't that great in its political aspect... You're right though, I think, in your suggestion that the future has become aestheticised. This is also something that Mark Fisher talks about in his book Ghosts of My Life. He discusses the way in which, in the 20th century, a "futuristic sound" meant a kind of music that you hadn't heard before but, by the 21st, a "futuristic sound" simply meant a specific kind of "spacey" sound (he describes it as having become like a font).

[@bigbootyhoochy]

watch brown girl begins

[@aalex100]

​@@Tom_Nicholas Well, I was thinking about Russian futurism primarily, but it may just be a very different tradition. As for Italy, the political theory of the time was... messed up as early fascism was posing as 'alternative' revolution. I haven't done any significant research on this topic, but I just came across this Manifesto of Futurist Political Party and it's written in a spirit of 'socialism corrupted by nationalism'. Of course, the party soon became a part of fascist one and we all know where it went. it.wikisource.org/wiki/Manifesto_del_Partito_Politico_Futurista_Italiano

[@firstlast-sm6hx]

@@Tom_Nicholas Right, if you read the writings of Mussolini he specifically positions Fascism as a revolutionary and futuristic movement. Futurism can largely be seen as a worship of the machine, and man's duty to serve that end - philosophically fascism fits right in there.

[@nottsoserious]

"Marx was a capitalist" Elon, you smoked too much weed lmao

[@thelostguitar5196]

Elon knows it is cool to say shocking and glib things on the internet, whether they're true, maybe true, not true... Hell, it's just fun. So why not? Say Marx was a capitalist and watch people react. Another morning in Elon's life. To me, he seems like a pretty weird dude. God bless. But weird as all hell.

[@goutamboppana961]

XD

[@eleSDSU]

​@@thelostguitar5196 It's even worse...because if confronted about it Musk would say something like "Haven't you heard of State Capitalism" like if that was the intent of his previous comment....I might be giving him too much credit. Also, that is not weirdness, that's a pathology.

[@nobodynoone2500]

Marx died poor, after being kept alive by donations most of his life. He was a shit capitalist if he was one. But in a way, Marx's version of communism actually *requires* capitalism to exist elsewhere in the world, to determine the ever-changing values of goods.

[@aicy5170]

@@nobodynoone2500 ... communist here (Vietnamese) and you are so so wrong lmao

[@akuakkk1908]

I love this channel. No dunking for the sake of feeling superior but rather just present arguments.

[@ailblentyn]

On the idea of the future... As a member of GenX, I would say that growing up in the Cold War involved a lot of dread of the future. We were told by adults again and again that we were all going to die in WW3.

[@alpha6549]

I think it’s necessary to have an optimistic view on the future otherwise it will be no force to drive you forward But making it some spiritualistic belief in the future is too much.

[@breatheasy2693]

That's just you

[@jacobgarcia7617]

I mean we still could.

[@Jules_73]

​@Jo As a gen Xer the discussion in school was about the next ice age and how it would devastate modern life. Same issue with a different name

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

I mean sure, it *might* not be WWIII. At this point there's such a variety of ways we could kill ourselves, chances are we'll all die of some fascinating mixture of them.

[@DesignerDave]

I'm so glad Ramsay Bolton was able to rehabilitate his image on KZbin.

[@gwencere9383]

That's so mean trdftgkuhikikh

[@DesignerDave]

@@gwencere9383 I meant it in the nicest way possible. ;) And I enjoyed the video.

[@gwencere9383]

@@DesignerDave I know lol, my comment was a joke :)

[@altobonifacio8936]

@@gwencere9383 it was a nice joke not so offensive

[@gwencere9383]

@@altobonifacio8936 dude I know I was also joking

[@СлаваСталину-т3х]

"A future in which young people must fight each other for their very survival" Ah, you mean the job market?

[@Tooncow2]

Comments from 16 year olds with no experience always have great perspectives.

[@СлаваСталину-т3х]

@@Tooncow2 Knock out argument bro. You must have a very big brain to predict my age.

[@Tooncow2]

@@СлаваСталину-т3х my comment was as much an arguement as yours, clearly I'm not making an argument just a statement on young people in general who have no experience but talk like their parents aren't making them macaroni in a couple hours.

[@СлаваСталину-т3х]

@@Tooncow2 And would you argue that the job market is not a nightmare for those trying to enter it? Or are you one of those very kids with no experience, just at an older age living off a trust fund or playing boss in daddy's company.

[@aethionr4478]

@@Tooncow2 Not really. You're not funny.

[@Deondre_Clark]

Seeing this is 2 years old makes it that much more amazing. Waaaaay too many sane people were drinking that Musk kool-aid back then. Great video!

[@nah9585]

3 years and oddly more relevant...

[@bigsmoke9228]

We can coup whoever we want -Elon Musk

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Oh god, I had to do a bit of a dive into his Twitter feed for this and it really is something, isn't it?

[@bigsmoke9228]

@@Tom_Nicholas yeah, it's something alright. Something I'd expect to hear from some movie villain or a cartoon caricature of an evil businessman or something.

[@jonc67uk]

Elon gets his ultra right 'christian' government, Morales gets the boot & the people get to die in the streets from lack of response & medical care from the new government. What an asshole. Just for fucking batteries they could have paid for.

[@perryholmes4602]

I’m a fan of Musk and I can tell you he is very sarcastic. Tesla gets its lithium from Australia. Many people who dislike him (take your pick for the reason why) spread misinformation constantly about him. Imagine getting accused of conducting a coup in a foreign country what would your reaction be? I’d be annoyed too personally. People just don’t tell the truth about things anymore or they don’t even look for the truth themselves and unfortunately it’s getting worse.

[@bigsmoke9228]

@@perryholmes4602 right. Guys still a total ghoul no matter how much wholesome big chungus 100 reddit karma shite he says. Just ask the workers that tried to unionize and his covid19 denial so he could get his stock options during said quarter. And if I were him I'd vehemently deny said allegations instead of saying something sarcastic. I mean sorry even if it's not true its garbage PR and optics at least.

[@stewartcohen-jones2949]

He’s a self mythologist. Very aware of the clickbait soundbite and how fast the virus of his verbatim spreads. As long as Tesla is a 6 thoughts of separation away in your mind , all is well .

[@adamsawyer1763]

Meanwhile on planet earth we're up a metric fuckton of $$$$ on our TSLA holdings, but you go on enjoying distancing yourself from the company 😂🤣

[@stewartcohen-jones2949]

The only way to escape Elon is go and live on Mars……Oh hold on a minute……. Rats , there’s no escape.

[@adamsawyer1763]

@@stewartcohen-jones2949 it's alright, Elon wants to die on Mars, all you have to do is wait and he'll leave.

[@leonavis]

@@adamsawyer1763 The US is so heavily in debt that it's just a matter of time until the Dollar crashes. What that'll mean one can only guess. We live in a time where there's so much money in circulation that a virtual concept of a coin is worth over $50k, because people have so much money that they start spending it on nothing at all. Especially the US-American stock-market is completely detached from what those companies are actually worth compared internationally. The US-$ is only still kinda stable because it's the most traded currency in the world; but even that doesn't compensate for the gruesome decisions made in the US over the last few decades. Enjoy your $$$$.

[@JABelms]

@@adamsawyer1763 Your TSLA holdings are not the only investments bro. My NVDA stocks will 100% smash yours because I've been investing since the 2000s, you only invest when Musk rats tell you to lol

[@wordsofdv]

23:37 "[Musk] evidently has a deep understanding of Marx's work" That was so subtle and so sharp. It killed me. I'm typing this comment from the morgue. Just too good.

[@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104]

I'm a bit ignorant, do you mind explaining?, I did notice what he said, but couldn't really comprehend what he meant.

[@wordsofdv]

@@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104 Pure sarcasm. "Evidently" is the keyword here. The evidence says Musk has no idea what he's talking about.

[@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104]

@@wordsofdv Thanks a lot.

[@wordsofdv]

@@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104 You're most welcome!

[@wordsofdv]

@@rrrk-gm1tr it's a joke by Tom. Elon has never expressed any understanding of Marx except that weird line about "he was a capitalist because he wrote a book (Capital) about it."

[@theblacklapinou]

I totally agree with you. Doesn’t need an engineering degree to see the major flaws in a popular application of muks’s « dreams », the funny thing is ; because he’s playing it so « down to earth, like any other nerds dude », it never occurred to me that the plans never intended to be applied to « lower class » people. Like, I knew it could never be given to the masses, but this video made me realize it never was the plan. It’s so obvious now.

[@durnel2001]

A true modern day Thomas Edison.

[@fds7476]

In every conceivable way.

[@kerrybuns5892]

He said that’s his idol

[@GatileoGatilei]

@@kerrybuns5892 lol

[@marilynlucas5128]

He stole from Tesla again! This time he Jacked his name and made everyone associate him to a true Genius.

[@viieswkit]

Where's our Nikola Tesla?

[@mishat5405]

As a biology student, the idea that we could terraform Mars if we can’t fix Earth just makes my blood boil

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Haha, to be fair, I have this thing where, when I get a certain way through a project, I get really frustrated with it and want to just move on to the next thing. This is basically the same but with planets...

[@lijenamacka]

@@Tom_Nicholas haha :)

[@Scofield229]

As a Medical student, the fact that Elon is using Tesla(motors and sustainable energy) to move the population away the burning of fossil fuels and filling the atmosphere with CO2, makes me smile.

[@chairmanofrussia]

Scofield229 well, I’d have to see more tesla models that are as affordable as other electric alternatives, like the volt, and I’d like to see the emissions of the manufacturing process (from the mining of the materials to the rolling off of the factory floor), before I can truly smile, but I’m inclined to agree.

[@akira28shima32]

Yeah, good one. Your blood boil because people dare to dream or think differently from your perception of truth!!??People only recently accepted microbes cause disease!!

[@NinaFelwitch]

"bold vision of the future", you mean, where he just puts LED lights on things and claims to have invented things that are literally impossible and only scams people out of their money? Very bold indeed.

[@dahleno2014]

You don’t know if something is impossible until you try it. Maybe he’ll do it, maybe he won’t. I’d rather see someone try and fail, than not try at all. I’m so confused why people either idolize Elon or they hate him. People are so childish.

[@barrackobamaismynigga7629]

@@dahleno2014 do you fart?

[@Lukas_Seidl_1]

@@dahleno2014 Yes, but if you try something the first thing you do is check if the concept works/is in the realm of possibility, if it does you can try it in practice. Elon just spews some claim without checking anything, then hypes it up to the media and then backpedals if his idea turns out to be impossible.

[@rolletroll2338]

@@dahleno2014 you do simple Maths and you can figure it out pretty well. When he's talking about a vtol S supersonic electric plane with the same range as a normal jetliner, you don't have to dig pretty far to see that he's just bullshitting.

[@Kronicdice23]

@@dahleno2014 The man is a glorified celebrity that has never been in need a day in his life. He lives lavishly on other peoples hard work and dedication and flaunts as though he was the one with all the ideas

[@jasontiscione1741]

Elon is trying to back out of his ill-timed Twitter deal by pretending they kept their trolls a secret from him. He’s the type of guy who proposes marriage, and then takes it back once he gets off the plane and meets you in person.

[@BlurNZ]

Given we all know he goes for anime cat girls, I can only assume you catfished him sir! I'm sorry, you just set that up so well...

[@Helperbot-2000]

its just like i thought myself it was, a pr stunt

[@kalebjones9973]

I mean they literally weren't transparent with how many bot accounts there was. Not as many users as advertised=less value

[@jasontiscione1741]

@@kalebjones9973 So you're saying once he kicks the bots off the site becomes MORE valuable! Getting rid of bots was one of his stated reasons for entering the contract. The type of contract he signed makes representations by Twitter not actionable. He has to prove that these undisclosed bots will put Twitter out of business no matter what he does.

[@kennethhwang3425]

@@jasontiscione1741 Also, getting rid of bots has always been and will always be a Sisyphean task.

[@L-92761]

Please tell this to all the tech bros that would apparently die for him

[@jeffcooper7258]

I'm not a Musk cultist. I'm just looking at the numbers and the trends. Tesla has strong margins and demand. So does SpaceX. Starlink is going to be a literal money printing press once it goes online. With that, Musk will be able to finance a large chunk of the trillion or so to make the Mars missions happen.

[@bnmbg731]

I will bro down with Elon. No doubt

[@Junebug89]

@@affinix887 What basis do you have for his management abilities being exceptional? Is it the industry-leading rate of accidents, deaths and of course coronavirus cases in his factories? Perhaps its the way he hires people to intimidate and threaten anyone who tries to blow the whistle on him?

[@calibula95]

@@affinix887 "(...) I'm not a musk cultist but (...)" *Proceeds to act exactly like one of the many Musk's stans* Smh My Head.

[@perlen5227]

@@affinix887says he's not a musk cultist but proceeds to act exactly like a musk cultist lol

[@Marmocet]

"Musk's" vision of the future isn't even Musk's. Lots of "his" ideas fit into one of the following categories: 1) they're ideas that have been staples of science fiction for decades (neuralink); 2) they're ideas that have been around for a long time that either never went anywhere because they're impractical ways to do things that can be done more easily in other ways or were developed, found to offer no benefits relative to existing alternatives, and abandoned (hyperloop, reusable rocketships); 3) they're ideas that are part of a mainstream worldview shared by a large swathe of the population (global warming requires that we shift toward electrification of transportation and away from fossil fuel sources of energy. I think one of the reasons Musk is so popular with some people is that he makes them feel smart, because he's out there telling them what they think they already know, and he's "proving" to everyone who might disagree with them that their vision of the future is the "correct" one.

[@kokofan50]

Truly reusable rockets are massive improvement over expendable rockets. The closest we’ve had to reusable rockets, was the shuttle, but the engines had to be rebuilt after every flight, heat tiles had to replaced, etc. Tesla are making EVs not just practical but desirable.

[@adamsawyer1763]

Elon doesn't make me feel smart - he makes me rich! 🤣🤣🤣

[@paulhamrick3943]

I don't think Elon himself would dispute that he didn't come up with these ideas. But he is the one forming companies who are actually trying to bring them to reality.

[@adamsawyer1763]

@@paulhamrick3943 exactly. Elon makes the point that ideas are easy but production at scale is very very hard. In the popular imagination a "genius inventor" has an idea and gets rich and famous. Elon's point is that actually without all the manufacturing and design workers constantly thinking about how to improve the product and production process neither Tesla nor SpaceX would be successful. Of course simple minded naysayers don't understand and don't even listen to what Elon says because "he's an evil billionaire". That's their loss.

[@etherealstars5766]

@@kokofan50 Right. SpaceX is doing something never been done before and it's working! The insane amount of innovation and progress going on there is unprecedented. Can't wait for the first orbital flight for Starship on Superheavy.

[@giuliam7737]

The moment thatcher appeared on the screen my computer shut down and dude same

[@dystopiaahoy]

She used ideology the way other women use a strap-on.

[@arkavi]

Do you think Margaret Thatcher has girl power?

[@RogerBarraud]

She makes my digestive system shut down... sometimes even reverse... or accelerate wildly. YMMV :-/

[@osmundkettleback5815]

@@arkavi Do you think she effectively utilized girl power in funnelling money to illegal paramilitary death squads in Northern Ireland?

[@arkavi]

@@osmundkettleback5815 I don't know about that!

[@nadiasmith83]

Thanks!

[@seanmatthewking]

Okay now me

[@d74g0n]

People who read Project Mars By Dr. Wernher von Braun know Musk is just a rockerfeller by dna doing the book as a larp. But let the kids have their iron man.

[@kerrybuns5892]

Bam 💥

[@Berchol]

“We want to be a leader in apocalypse technology” Self drivable cars… one day he’ll be able to make all cars get out of his way at the click of a button, so he can reach his spaceship faster.

[@appa609]

People who read the book know musk read the book. The rest is projection.

[@eleSDSU]

@@Berchol Shouldn't that be "Self driving" instead of "Self drivable", I mean if you drive it (a.k.a. "drivable") it means that it is being driven, therefore not self anything, "Self drivable" is nonsensical and I love it, such a simple contradiction, thanks.

[@sta1RR]

Page Page who really is? How can you guarantee authenticity of any ‘role model’ if you dont know them personally.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

Unfortunately, I don't think Musk's "we'll coup who we want" tweet is doing him any favours at the moment.

[@mosalah8551]

He is joking

[@mosalah8551]

But bolivia need democracy not dictator

[@Quintinohthree]

@@mosalah8551 So you support Morales then?

[@mosalah8551]

@@Quintinohthree i support him if he honest and people vote for his leadership

[@ericad8412]

I hope his pools of currency dry up for it.

[@Amelia_of_Brazenwall]

I think solarpunk might be a good shout for alternatives to Elon Musk’s fake futurism. It’s bold, daring and explicitly anti capitalist, and it’s rooted in working towards a better future for everyone, not just the people who can afford it

[@skaruts]

Well if it's anti-capitalism, then it's never gonna happen. Simple as that.

[@yo-no9879]

Only problem is that its so optimistic that it won't ever happen, it sucks but its true.

[@lx4079]

@@skaruts "if it's anti-feudalism it's not gonna happen, simple as that" - you from 400 years ago

[@skaruts]

@@lx4079 man, that's a ridiculous false equivalence. You clearly don't understand what capitalism is. Capitalism isn't a system that is designed and/or imposed by any overseeing entity. It's not even a system, it's what naturally occurs when the powers that be get out of people's way. Capitalism is freedom from government control. If something is anti-capitalist, then it's tyrannical in nature, and is doomed to eventually fail (after causing a lot of misery and death).

[@CPSPD]

You have two examples now of people rejecting your framing of solarpunk. I hope this isn’t patronising, but we shouldn’t let that feedback go to waste. For example I am now not going to talk about it being anti capitalist when I’m trying to convince people who don’t currently believe in that, and when someone is predisposed to more limited visions of the near future (which yeah, solarpunk is a long term goal) then I’ll talk about and emphasise the principles that lead to that solarpunk conclusion and not the final stage itself.

[@justicebeske5704]

Thank you, I'm so glad people are finally starting to see threw his fake image he puts on. I am so tired of people making excuses for him and treating him like iron man

[@fromgermany271]

He is an (cast) iron man. Brittle, cold and (in between) a bit heavy.

[@sutapasbhattacharya9471]

through [not threw - which is past tense for throw]

[@williamgurney4226]

@@sutapasbhattacharya9471 Caused me pain too 😂

[@Lukexxxxxx]

As a physicist: Problem with Elon Musk is that he is totally ignorant of the underlying science and is a hypester making big claims that are baseless (something any scientist will hate doing, claims have to have a foundation) and often conflict with science. He does so not to inform or educate but to manipulate the value of his companies. It's lacking integrity. He's not so much a visionary as just some rambling 20yo stoner in a college dorm. It's not sophisticated, it's largely just dumb. It's just not reputable. And things are getting done not by some rambling stoner but by serious people. Generally speaking "futurology" is close to astrology than to science. And it shows in the way they are making predictions, not scientifically but acting like Nostradamus (Ray Kurzweil is that basically) pulling "predictions" out of their ass.

[@patrickcardon1643]

Also ... it's a cult ... they tend to gobble up anything the cult leader says without questioning

[@gotanygrapes831]

Man I was sheltered in the Elon musk fanboy club for so long hearing good criticisms rocked my world. Like that nasa pays more for cargo than when they sent it themselves, even though we hear people say that they pay less.

[@lewisistic]

I was on the Elon hype train too until I heard Martin Shkreli taking shots at him and calling all his companies worthless.

[@motortrip8698]

what?

[@johncarlollavor2146]

@@lewisistic Martin Shkreli? Really? that guy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, What a joke.

[@pagnag4388]

I'm pretty sure that's because they want to incentivise 3rd parties doing it instead of themselves

[@robertnicholls9917]

@@johncarlollavor2146 Even sociopaths can have a coherent thought, although he is part of the same market 1st ideology.

[@Bisquick]

**End of history intensifies and is also boring somehow**

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Mark Fisher, who I mention in this video, talked about how "no one is bored but everything is boring" in his later work. Might be of interest if you want to explore this idea further: www.3ammagazine.com/3am/no-one-is-bored-everything-is-boring/

[@simonrodriguez4685]

I’m from LatAm, lived in the north for a while, and never understood boredom. The world is fascinating, one life would never be enough to delve into everything that’s enchanting in this world. Feel sorry for whoever hasn’t noticed that primary attribute of reality.

[@teaCupkk]

​@@simonrodriguez4685 Keep breathing Simon, and you'll eventually understand boredom. Get a job, if you wish to understand boredom faster. Any job will do.

[@simonrodriguez4685]

@teaCupkk I have had jobs with meaningless and monotonous tasks, I would had preferred not having to do them, but still didn’t get bored. Then there’s always the option of quitting... maybe some people never learnt how or when to get bored.

[@RandyXandar]

Boring? What's boring? Go out, look around, pick up a hobby, try hiking, try mountain biking, life's boring because you make it boring. I don't make a lot of money, but I know how to have a good time with what little I have. I'd be lying if I said I was never bored, but you must have the boring days to contrast the exciting days, otherwise how will you tell when days are exciting if every day is exciting. Eventually the excitement will wear off and become monotony.

[@LunarPenguin42]

amazing how its possible to talk about ford without mentioning the horrific labour conditions he put his workers in

[@Trouble_Bubble36]

If you saw the title of the video, you would realize it’s not about Henry Ford.

[@oddfellowone]

Musk is trying to do the same thing, firing those who criticize or unionize. If you want to see manipulation, look at Solar City, a company that Tesla didn’t want, but forced the sale, which he legally should have had nothing to do with so he could transfer hundreds of millions to his cousins at SC. In two years SC was dead.

[@rjmendlein]

AND Musk seems to appreciate and model that aspect of Ford. I cannot imagine being a Musk employee when he regularly berates them and breaks most labor laws.

[@bethanychatman9531]

​@@Trouble_Bubble36 WOW, way to miss the point.

[@msbramble176]

"I can coup whoever I want" Bolivia's lithium.

[@chadmueller9135]

@Karl Marx absolutely not.

[@chadmueller9135]

@Karl Marx considering Musk obviously wants to coup, he wasn't joking.

[@poisondamage2182]

@Karl Marx it doesn't matter if it was "a joke" or not, it is obviously a threat/show of power by the richest man on the planet

[@imold5363]

@Karl Marx brainwashed fool

[@fallencrow6718]

Beleving that you need a military coup te get natural resourses is the bigest myth le left implanted in peoples mind. My country was governd for 15 years straight by the bigest left leaning party it has and we have sold more natural resosces, land and given new tax eccemptions than never before to foreing companies.

[@trippymchippy8586]

Ironically, you look like the lovechild of Gordon Ramsay and Elon Musk. Therefore, subbed! ;)

[@omegajoule]

I will never be able to unsee this now, bless you

[@jasonhornsby8666]

can't unsere that haha perfect

[@teemo1385]

Lol!!! Gordon Musk?

[@chakraborty1989]

He actually fully looks like a Ramsey, a different Ramsey... Ramsey Snow/Bolton 😅

[@satyakisil9711]

I think he looks like Pyrocynical.

[@geoffreyfish2084]

Fascinating. I've never looked too hard into Muskian Futurism, but I have to say, your analysis of 20th century YA fiction becoming increasingly dystopian is spot on, and likely will affect the mindset of future leaders. We should strive to be more like Star Treks Federation, and while idealized, it is a social, moral, meritocracy, that may be in some form, attainable.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

If you like thinking about possible futures through the lens of fiction, then you'll probably quite like Peter Frase's book Four Futures (which I mention in the video in my discussion of Star Trek). It's a fun read.

[@johannageisel5390]

I'm a little bit hopeful about this dystopian YA thing, though. All those books are about young people fighting and overcoming the unjust structures they are presented with. The books only handle the topics with different quality in writing.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

I think that's a good point; while they do focus on dystopias, there is at least a hint at fighting against it. If I remember Hunger Games essentially has a similar ending to Snowpiercer though in which they overthrow the President's regime only to wind up installing an equally-bad regime which also hints at being highly repressive.

[@johannageisel5390]

@@Tom_Nicholas They were close, but Katniss disrupted this development by killing Coin instead of Snow. After that, they held an emergency election and elected one of the former rebel generals. Katniss is declared insane and sent home to district 12. After that, the book mostly deals with her mental recovery, but the bits and pieces you glean from the outside world are positive.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Tom Nicholas this is actually why I like Hunger Games so much, even though I was an adult when it came out. I find it to be fairly well written (especially for a YA), but a truly excellent look into how cycles of dysfunction can continue without a specific effort to stop it (which does happen). It’s also a really, really accurate look into the mind of someone with severe PTSD. To the point that it can actually be triggering to read for those with it, even if the PTSD is for wildly different reasons. But because there is a fight to change things, and because there is that break in the cycle (though it almost didn’t happen), I find it to be an overall hopeful series. The movie is let down by the fact that it’s extremely difficult to portray a very outwardly stoic character. Katniss is a very emotional person, with a lot going on in her head, but she’s made an effort to show as little of that on the outside as possible, as a way to protect herself. So Jennifer Lawrence’s portrayal of how cold and emotionless Katniss appears is very book accurate. But without the inner narration the books provide, Katniss appears to be that way entirely, which isn’t at all true. So I find it to be an excellent series, but only adequate in movie form. Sorry for the little rant. I’m a tad protective of this series, and I think it gets a lot of guff that it really doesn’t deserve. It’s a well written and intense dystopia that managed to focus on both the macro picture and the inner world of one very fucked up person, and that can be a difficult needle to thread, particularly when all you have is seeing the world through her eyes. I recommend it for everyone above 15 to read, and for people to have an open mind when doing so.

[@DnCtopher]

Muskian Futurism means to prefix existing tech with the word “hyper”, slap on a massive touch screen, and RGB lights. Lots of RGB lights

[@Carewolf]

Still better than the design for any hardware for gamers.

[@xlChronos]

@@Carewolf ironically the RGB trend in gaming is slowly declining. Gamers nowadays usually go for more simplistic looks

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Dont forget deconstructing economy of scale by breaking down everything into pods purely for the aesthetic of futurism despite having everything broken down to individuals murders the supposed futuristic efficiency

[@ZacharyRodriguez]

I'm glad your conclusion went where it did. I appreciate how Musk popularized electrification and solar panels, but it is also unfortunate that it took an elitist to do that.

[@hakancarlsson2881]

Are you seriously giving him credit for solar panels too now? 😂 Unbelievable.... 🤦

[@Aghoristocks]

Here's two bits on Elon Musk. If he says, I will deliver a product in 2 years, the actual timeline is 5 to 7 years.

[@CrossoverManiac]

At least Elon delivers. How many decades has NASA promised to take the whole of humanity to the stars and still NASA's astronaut core is an exclusive club for the chosen few. Once Starship is flying, Elon will take more people into space in a decade than NASA did in six decades.

[@Aghoristocks]

@@CrossoverManiac it is true, I am simply stating a fact.

[@adanactnomew7085]

@@CrossoverManiac Still waiting on hyperloop lmao.

[@WordOnTheStreet_0]

@@adanactnomew7085 Musk haven't promised he will deliver a hyperloop system. He just gave the idea.

[@akshaydevmurari8191]

@@WordOnTheStreet_0 idea of hyoerloop existed before musk

[@panjak323]

I admire how Musk built Hyperloop all over the world and went to Mars in 2022.

[@UberTankred]

I think there is a reason why board members in his companies repeatedly came to the exact same conclusion throughout Musk's life. They always said, that he wasn't fit to manage a workforce and should rather keep himself busy with design and idea issues. Diverse assessments on your leadership skills are one thing, but when everyone always agrees over a span of decades...!

[@MrDmadness]

But musk cannot design anything. He literally has no idea HOW to do so, he's not a engineer so all he has is ideas that have zero actual plausibility cause he knows nothing about how to equate and overcome problems

[@MrBuzzzzz]

What you just described is a group of people who fear excellence because they aren't even a pimple on his ass and they know it. If you want to criticize him, I think you should have to demonstrate your superiority. If you can't and you end up admitting that you could never accomplish what he has, then that proves you were criticizing out of jealousy and insecurity. His IQ doubles the average person's so to be honest, hardly anyone is even smart enough to assess him. Humans are just arrogant

[@UberTankred]

@@MrBuzzzzz The only thing here that doubles the average is your arrogance and out of courtesy I'll leave it at that!

[@DocBree13]

He’s not even a good designer.

[@AWildBard]

Your ability to make interesting and long arguments is exceptional.

[@maximilianwimmer627]

I'd be very skeptical of every person which proudly proclaims he knows the shape future will take. The future is not yet written, it is made by all of us, it is decided by whether we chose to accept a particular idea or concept or not.

[@yummyjackalmeat]

The future is usually more dull. Flying cars not happening soon, isn't actually a reasonable anyway, but starvation is lowest it's every been due to our knowledge of crops and genetic modification. Growing more crops with less resources doesnt sound sexy so musk gets a standing ovation for a "new form of transportation"

[@_KillerD_]

@@yummyjackalmeat so every human should focus on growing better crops? Apple, Microsoft, Walmart, etc should only invest in better crops?

[@joopennitavandermeer938]

Musk does not proclaim this, he says "the best way to predict the future is to build the future" and he knows he does not have control over the future of Earth, that anything can happen, good and bad and therefore he wants people to go to mars as soon as possible because earth is so unpredictable.

[@ghostnoodle9721]

@@_KillerD_ Garbage strawman argument, corporations should be focused on profits while not destroying the planet at unholy rates. Unfortunately theyre only subsidized for one thingp

[@_KillerD_]

@@ghostnoodle9721 this man is saying that Elon should invest on making better crops intead of making a new form of transportation. You can say the same of every company of the Earth. Making innovation in ?, why not cure cancer?

[@steverrobbins10]

I love that you made this before Elon bought twitter and demonstrated publicly the ... divergence ... between his words and his actions.