The Fake Futurism of Elon Musk

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A video about Elon Musk and the future.
Timestamps:
0:00 SpaceX Mars
01:49 Introduction
05:35 Tesla, Ford and A Tale of Two Cars
08:53 Futurism
13:00 The Slow Cancellation of the Future
17:53 Back to the Future
21:31 Muskian Futurism for Whom?
There's perhaps already a distinct "Elon Musk Video Essay" genre here on KZbin. Hopefully, though, this takes a different approach to those which are already out there.
Rather than focussing on I take a look at why Elon Musk has become such a revered figure in recent years and why so many people have embraced Elon Musk's Loop, Tesla, Hyperloop, Spacex, Mars Mission, Neuralink and other projects.
Drawing partly on the work of Mark Fisher and Franco "Bifo" Birardi, I consider how human perceptions of the future (at least in the advanced capitalist nations) have changed over time. In particular, I'm interested in how Elon Musk's rise might be read as a response to what Birardi and Fisher refer to as the "Slow Cancellation of the Future" during the ascendency of neoliberalism (or neoliberal capitalism) in the 1970s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.
I also argue that Elon Musk might have more than a little in common with figures in the political sphere such as Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (AOC) and "The Squad", Jeremy Corbyn etc. who have also recently sought to break from the status quo and invited us to imagine bold new futures.
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Underrated channel

[@benbrown8682]

Please make a collaboration with philosphy tube, olly can do the theatrical bits and you could do the discussion on the details of the theory and stuff thats hard to make entertaining, because your good at it. I feel you two would be a perfect match. Please

[@TornadoGeorge]

you deserve more subscribers I love this channel!!!!

[@hugmonger]

@Wicked Utopia Ummm dude is critiquing the current trend of things believe it or not that helps the future. Engaging with critique helps create more solid ideas regardless the character of the critique

[@bchandle]

Wait you are promoting your own patreon page to make more money and using Elon to do it. What have you done other than talk about what others have done? People who cant do talk about what others have done and criticize them. If you are really genuine go out there and do something, instead of taking the easy route of just talking about others who actually did something and use them for your gain. If the planet only had more of Elon's vs people like you I wonder where the world would be.

[@KIMK0K]

Elon Musk is the "I'm not like other girls" of capitalists.

[@timojissink4715]

A capitalist would not use his money like that, nor would he accept a $0 paycheck for their work

[@bryntendo]

He's like that kid in highschool who makes up sUpEr CoOl rumours about himself and how totally cool and awesome he is, but for some reason people keep believing him

[@andreasl.s8350]

@@bryntendo because he have shown that he can delivier. This matters.

[@rork172]

The guy is not a business man, neither a ‘capitalist’, he’s a passionate engineer, physicist and innovator.

[@sobersplash6172]

Rourke McCarron he’s literally a CEO, do you think he just sits there personally making the shit his company does

[@gabevalladares7461]

Elon Musk is a testament to what one man can achieve when his parents own an emerald mine

[@jaegrant6441]

100% ! People praise all these entrepreneurs like they're a rags to riches story, when they actually had lots of family money and connections to help their journey.

[@mrandersen6872]

@@jaegrant6441 tell me you know nothing about elon musk without telling me you know nothing about elon musk.

[@loomyair]

@@mrandersen6872 fool

[@as7river]

@@mrandersen6872 my understanding of what I don't know about Elon Musk is far greater than your understanding of what you know about Elon Musk. This is how I would tell you I know nothing about Elon Musk without telling you I know nothing about Elon Musk.

[@La0bouchere]

@@loomyair at least fact check before you make claims. Erol Musk owned shares in an emerald mine that never even made money.

[@ExBlaz3]

*"By the rich. For the rich."* My take on most of Elon's visions.

[@nicholaskeenan898]

the motor vehicle the plane the internet tv's etc etc all started as for the rich!

[@paulgibbon5991]

I blame Ayn Rand.

[@listrahtes]

​@@nicholaskeenan898but look at Musk's own ideas. They are not only inefficient but basically eliminate transport for "normal" people. Loop and Hyperloop perfect examples. Musk deliberate designs with the cost of neglecting transport to middle and lower class. That's a huge difference. His ideas are also just often quite stupid and so inefficient it can never used for masses

[@okarowarrior]

@@nicholaskeenan898 Internet's infrastructure started as a military project and the modern use of it started as a way for universite's communities to share knowledge. Way of pulling a comment out of your as

[@nicholaskeenan898]

@@okarowarrior so your saying someone that attended the most prestigious university, in the richest County in the world isn't rich?

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

How the mighty have fallen. While highspeed trains go more then 250 km an hour throughout Europe & Asia , and one can go from France to England in a tunnel under the sea, Musk fans are celebrating a man who build a taxi tunnel under Las Vegas.

[@valley_robot]

What you just said , my thoughts exactly

[@Lorre982]

"he" drilled less than 2km single one way tunnel under the desert here in Italy we are drilling the Solid Alps rock whit our Austrian friends 3 tunnels 57km each

[@jaxonsevero1045]

American engineering never fails to impress😭

[@ronnieradon]

IK right he could at least build something like the Lincoln Tunnel under a river but ha ha no

[@emiliospowerballer1441]

That goes 40 mph, without traffic

[@mathewomolo]

people talk about going to Mars to escape climate calamity as if there's clean air and beautiful gardens waiting on Mars.

[@kenji214245]

Run away from the bordeom of bunker living on earth. And enjoy the slightly roomier undeground bunkers on Mars where the low gravity will make you forget your own obesity of boredom eating everyday. While the bliss of death slowly creeps uppon you from high radiation and varying solar weather impacts varying up the spikes on the Radiation sensor in the roof.

[@dukenukem5768]

It is like the fraudulent Viking equivalent of Musk 1000 years ago getting people to move to Greenland by saying you could grow vinyards there. Or Jim Jones, another control freak, getting people to move to Jonestown because he told them it would be Paradise. Jones town will have looked like Paradise compared with sharing a bunker with Musk on Mars.

[@fubar12345]

Nobody has ever talked about Mars that way. Common strawman fallacy.

[@mathewomolo]

@@fubar12345 i'm being sarcastic. And if you've never heard anyone talk about escaping Earth's impending climate catastrophe, then you're not well versed on SpaceX Mars hype. Look into Musk's speeches on the 'dire' need to be multi-planetary and understand the impression it gives off.

[@jaegrant6441]

"Get the first restaurant perfect before you open your second!!" - Gordon Ramsay "Fucking donut!!" - Also Gordon Ramsay

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

It’s ironic how Elon Musk is the face of Tesla because he has a lot more in common with Thomas Edison than anyone else.

[@seri-ously8591]

Just as ironic some people hailed Steve Jobs as an innovator, basically Nerd Jesus, when he was just a masterminded marketeer that was lucky enough to throw a pitch the media was willing to eat up entirely.

[@Wtfiswhattheysay]

The idea for the iPod was around since it’s first patent in 1983. Society has been programmed to worship a certain person. You can thank Jesus for this concept and more recently hulk hogan. Fuckin stupid

[@shanabanana2675]

Edison, the Ultimate Rebranding Champion lmao yesss!

[@keithyoung7]

Musk was once asked - on a talk show - which of the two he most admired, and it was Edison. Unfortunately the the host did not follow up. One would assume that Musks a considers himself a promoter, not an inventor. What a wanker.

[@rahelwijeyekoon9403]

@@keithyoung7 Honestly, it'd be more respectable if he genuinely presented himself as a promoter rather than playing into the visionary/innovator persona as that'd be more true to his actions.

[@manualdidact]

If we're comparing Musk and Ford, it's worth pointing out that Ford started his company. Musk started at Tesla as an activist investor, and forced out the founder.

[@das250250]

Don't forget , ford actually made more cars than anyone else,faster and better as opposed to 1% of the market.

[@das250250]

I'd also bet those early Ford's probably did more or equivalent miles on a tank ..and were more affordable

[@arfeloreed]

Those Musk Fanboys refused to believed this Lol

[@arkoisagoodboy]

And Ford was an open supporter of Adolf Hitler who muscled competition out of the industry. Weird how if Musk were to use paid thugs to burn down competitors' businesses, you'd be up in arms about it. But your disdain for Musk is so blind that you'd go to bat for a literal Nazi supporter who did all the things you hate as an anti-capitalist

[@jimbarino2]

He did start Spacex, however. Credit where due.

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

When I was in college, I was so excited by SpaceX & Tesla. It took me several years & a lot of education to finally understand that Musk wasn't taking us towards Star Trek, he's taking us towards Blade Runner. Nowadays it seems insane to me that I was ever taken in.

[@siddhantbasnet8528]

Shut up zoudberg, go back to the future.

[@SoundsSilver]

Don’t worry man, lots of people were dumb in college

[@AndromedaD]

I think the idea of electric cars and expanded space travel are good things to believe in. Musk just isn't the one to get us there

[@johnnamkeh1290]

@Naikomi They are a little different in that they do move the conservative companies like Boeing or Porsche into different directions. Boeing's space programme or Porsche electric cars would be very different were it not for Musk. These companies hopefully will proceed into having an advantage over Musk in not being led by a socially dissociated billionaire but by actual shareholders. One can only hope that they may then take Musk's ideas and make them more practical.

[@fromgermany271]

Being able to learn is not a bad, but in some groups a rare habit. Congrats for making it.

[@jefferyjones8399]

I believe in a future where people don’t idolize billionaires who haven’t invented anything like Musk.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

I immediately treat anything from a Billionaire with extreme scepticism, the only Billionaire I might give a pass too is Gabe Newell, dropping to mere scepticism instead, which is the normal stance one should take with any claim.

[@Silent_Shadow]

@@DoomsdayR3sistance Completely agree with you.

[@airshipflea5219]

I don't think inventing or not inventing has anything to do with it. Not all billionaires have made their money by inventing. Although their practices should receive extreme scepticism, unfortunately the common man is more concerned about their outrageously lavish lifestyle.

[@skaruts]

There will always be people idolizing cons. I mean, there's a reason what they do is called a confident-trick: they get people's confidence through appealing speech; they get people to like them, look up to them, trust them, etc, and then they get people's wealth while giving no wealth in return.

[@PascalSWE]

@@airshipflea5219 No one becomes a billionaire by invention alone. Even if you invented many useful things youre unlikely to become that rich. Its better to exploit those who invent if you want to become a billionaire

[@soma7891]

"I'm a bigger fan of Edison than Telsa, because Edison brought his inventions to the market." - Elon Musk This sums up everything- his thinking, his approach to life; it's only about making money.

[@jreamscape]

@@z.z.onichi5365 Edison stole patents and called inventions his own

[@nensikalahan]

@@z.z.onichi5365 Edison tried to sabotage tesla's work to be able to have a monopoly on the market. That's not the "making the technology available to the people" , that is unscrupulous capitalistic kind of behavior.

[@richitacos]

So you prefer an anti-social genius who will keep all his cool inventions to himself instead of a visionary businessman who will find a way to bring these cool and useful things to stores for everyone to buy?

[@vamen4706]

@@richitacos I prefer your mom.

[@govindraghavan9493]

@@vamen4706 so do I

[@aidanconnor2274]

Elon Musk’s “futuristic ideas” are literally just normal things run through a filter to make them less efficient and more “futuristic”

[@Asrashas]

Or just old Ideas recycled. Iirc reusable rocket stages were already proposed by von Braun during. Not sure if during his time in National Socialist Germany or at NASA. Though von Braun did never get the chance to work on it practically. And I'm not sure if it would have been feasible with the technology back then.

[@highlander918]

The fact that Mars is his first priority when it comes to space says a lot. The moon is way more lucrative

[@michealfreeman9714]

The filter is also used to make it more profitable for the individual selling it

[@simper4951]

@@Asrashas Why is it a problem that it was an old idea, what people like about Musk is that he and his team of workers made it happen. Nobody actually belives he designs the rockets, cars, flamethrowers or neurallinks himself. It is just that he made it happen fast, while no one else seems to be making any significant progress towards the future.

[@ooccoo6890]

@@simper4951 Finally!!

[@jotriDerSalzige]

Elon Musk is treated like he's a visionary just because he watched Blade Runner and thought 'I can make this real!' without wasting a second thinking about it realistically.

[@losharclan7914]

Elon is a genius, he added rgb lights to the hyperloop.

[@RindertW]

Using the same logic as applied in computer science. RGB dop make things faster brrrr.

[@n3rdy11]

Do you mean that tunnel were Tesla’s drive very slowly trough and still can’t get autopilot to work even in an highly controlled environment?

[@Battlegris]

Ahahahaha! And gained 100.000 zombies by doing so 😂

[@Peramiiy]

@@n3rdy11 The whole point of that stupid "Loop" was to convince idiot politicians to invest in self driving cars rather than mass transit. Even then Tesla cant get autopilot to work underground in a loop system. That's pathetic if you ask me. Any politician who buy into this scheme is an idiot.

[@PlaidZoomer]

@@Peramiiy that boring tunnel is not called the hyper loop, but it will eventually have self driving cars which will be faster than regular cars due to its safer driving. When that boring tunnel loop opens it will be mass transit so I don’t know what you’re talking about

[@djsmithe]

The genius of Elon Musk is he gets people to believe this BS.

[@brainbomb.]

Actually that makes him the world's biggest conman.

[@thedolphin5428]

Nope. It's NOT his genius. It's merely the stupidity of his listeners. Just like all demagogues, despots, snake oil salesmen who prey on idiots, they all know there's one born every minute. No magic or mtstery or genius involved

[@scrggddsdfd82]

The foolishness of you is you get people to believe in your BS without valid argument

[@thedolphin5428]

@@peterbishop6163 That's called idealist and show-off altruism. Just like well known billionaires who donate to charity (Gates), and Musk now does. Thousands of rich people are philanthropists, but you never hear about them. Why? Because their gifting is more important than their notoriety for gifting. But the real underlying motive in Musk is massive ego, a need for people to love him, notice him, praise him, and think his cockamaime ideas are "genius". So Musk gives away a few million p.a. in patent rights. Only proves he thinks his stupid ideas should be given away for free and have some futuristic benefit to mankind. He has saviour complex, pure and simple.

[@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000]

@@googlelord1678 Which is also called con man. That's like saying Bernie Madoff was a good business man. Because his con knew how to play the market and get people to give him money.

[@Eric-ye5yz]

I first lost respect for Elon Musk when he said he was going to build a small submarine to rescue the football team trapped in a cave in Thailand. He expected them to wait while he grandstanded to get hero status.

[@dylanschmidt9056]

And called one of divers helping with the rescue effort a pedophile.

[@JCDenton3]

And called the actual hero who organized and led a team to rescue the boys, a pedophile simply because he politely refused the worthless submarine that would never have made it past the sharp bend in the cave that was causing so many problems.

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Then he called actual volunteers pedophiles for trying to save kids.

[@maggiee639]

Yeah I remember that and thinking how weird it was

[@Elliot_97]

He asked the Thai authorities on the ground there if such a thing might be useful, and they told him that it would and to proceed with development. Nobody waited around for it. His behaviour after the fact was shameful, however.

[@georges3799]

If Elon announced that he would build an interplanetary hyperloop to make space travel easier; I'm sure there would be plenty of eager fools ready to invest.

[@fromgermany271]

Boring a wormhole to Mars would save travel time. And would multrupple the Bored Company‘s stock value.

[@fromgermany271]

@ryckak let’s try the one way prototype with the most important man on earth. Back trip will be uploaded „over the air“ Next year.

[@aragorn1780]

He would totally be the guy to sell earth to the Vogons to make an interspace bypass xD

[@georges3799]

@@aragorn1780 His great grandfather on his mother's side is from Vogshpere.

[@fromgermany271]

@@aragorn1780 „We passed upon the stair We spoke of was and when Although I wasn't there He said I was his friend Which came as a surprise I spoke into his eyes I thought you died alone A long long time ago Oh no, not me We never lost control You're face to face With the man who sold the world“

[@gerrymcerlean8432]

Elon Musk is a true genius - and I can prove it. The Las Vegas Loop looked like being a huge disappointment - 3 people in a Tesla car (with a driver) travelling at 35mph instead of the promised 16 people in an automous 'pod' driving at 150mph. But Elon turned this near failure into a huge success simply by adding some lovely LED lights. Now that's genius!

[@Gustoberg]

his innovations are just WOW chef's kiss

[@iKingRPG]

The "pods" will come eventually, but Tesla has to actually make them first. The people who say the cars are a disappointment and that they should've used trains and rails that can carry 1,000 people, are either just really dumb, or missing context. The tunnel is 1 mile long, it's just meant to quickly get people across the convention center. Small vehicles make much more sense

[@birdrocket]

@@iKingRPG then why not build a traditional people mover? Steel wheels on rails is more efficient and requires much less maintenance. Level boarding means faster load/unload times and better accessibility. Incredibly simple to automate. And beyond that, the Loop was marketed to the City of Las Vegas _as_ a mass transit system, eventually connecting the entire strip and beyond. The City has actually entered a contract with The Boring Company to create a “mass transit” system now, and it has exclusivity, meaning no other transit agency can expand until the Loop finishes or flops.

[@johntheux9238]

It's a success. In fact the 29 miles extension was just approved.

[@johntheux9238]

@@LeafTheWitch Well, this extension was proposed 2 years ago and since they exceeded their 4400 people per hour goal in a test on May the 25th it's not a surprise...

[@DamnZodiak]

The irony about that star trek episode is that, the person who name dropped Musk as visionary ended up being from the mirror universe, where historical figures often end up morally opposite to our "prime" universe. Pretty sure that was just an oversight (like so many others in Discovery) but still hilarious IMO.

[@nobodynoone2500]

I can only hope that was no oversight at all.

[@stefanbalan3405]

Finally the comment I searched for ...

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

@@nobodynoone2500 Given what you've seen of Discovery and their "that's the power of math, people!" attitude, do you really think this show was even trying to be remotely critical of a charlatan like Musk? Discovery, much like Musk, pays lip service to the idea of science, without actually understanding much of it.

[@SpectroliteDS2400]

@@gaiusjuliuspleaser that almost makes it even funnier in an ironic way.

[@jeepersjava]

Discovery is actually so disappointing:/

[@esdraslopez4658]

So many people equate Elon Musk with a real life Tony Stark, but the truth is while both are man babies, Tony Stark actually invented stuff.

[@doctorwholover1012]

Musk is all bark no bite, at least the fictional character Tony Stark has some goddamn bite

[@Skrenja]

Tony Stark is a “man baby.” Uh, how exactly?

[@esdraslopez4658]

@@doctorwholover1012 thats what Im saying

[@esdraslopez4658]

@@Skrenja Iron Man 2, nuff said

[@mr.perfectcell1887]

Now now, Musk DID set up his charging stations as the primary source of power for electric cars, then patent just the shape of his ports so no other cars could use his stations, to hurt other electric car companies. Wait a minute...

[@mrnigl1]

I was a Musk fan. Years ago. After looking at him more closely i realized hes nothing more than a snake oil salesman. He sells hopes and dreams that will never come true.

[@apex107lrp]

...or they do come close to his claims, but the price is way higher...or the price is close but the product falls short of the claims. Either way, he's half full of sh$t.

[@twistedbunny]

lol it's comforting finding people who don't buy into all the BS, i started to think i was losing it

[@fsdfgasgfisd]

Same here

[@COMBLOCVZ58]

Hyperloop is probably the most absurd

[@imold5363]

Same hete

[@Joso997]

Thunderfoot

[@user-ls7pt2fd9l]

Iam curios why would you call call musk ideas and projects BS ?

[@demongannondorf]

I'm tight with an ex Tesla employee and the workplace was a nightmare. They were overworked to the point where their physical health was declining, and any time musk came through everyone walked on eggshells around him because he'd fire people at the drop of a hat

[@paulgoogol2652]

How can anybody work for such a guy? Jobs was already a prick but Musk is on a new level.

[@discoloured3492]

@@paulgoogol2652 well, elon musk is indeed smart, that intelligence made his "fans" have a cult like base, it's nothing surprising, elon musk seems like a amazing guy and what not, but if you dive a bit deeper he is a demon. A magical liar, and I don't even hate his products just him.

[@discoloured3492]

@James Tarantula yeah ngl if I said he wasn't as intelligent people gonna disregard everything I said tbh but indeed sir.

[@BradPwnsU]

@James Tarantula he's just the richest man in the world LOL

[@joshuabryant9845]

@@BradPwnsU Was, until tesla stocks dropped again. Also, this has been discussed so many times already, but wealth doesn't equal intelligence

[@737e7dhs4]

By what I have understood, most people think his main Objective is removing the line between rich and poor but in reality he is just making it broader

[@judithbradford9130]

finally, I hear someone else hit exactly the same point I have been making about Musk since he announced his hyperloop idiocy. he's never fantasized solutions to social problems; everything he presents AS such are really the world's richest man dreaming up ways to solve his own personal pet peeves, from having to be delayed by traffic to his social network of preference being moderated according to imperatives other than his preference.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Yep. Exactly.

[@lebrigand4115]

Making electric cars cool in the eye of the public isn't even Musk's idea. It was the idea of the two founders of Tesla.

[@AnnatarLordOfGifts]

that car that elon musk sent to space belonged to one of the founders.. founder was supposed to get it originally, but somehow elon managed to steal it from him

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

What y'all don't realise is that without elon entering tesla and making investments in it's initial stages, the company wouldn't even exist today. Elon saved tesla from getting bankrupt. Go look at it's history.

[@lebrigand4115]

@@JeyAnirudhJekka So you admit he's not a visionary, he's just a dude that injected cash in Tesla. Nobody disputes that.

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

@@lebrigand4115 if he wanted to make money, why would he invest in a failing company that too especially in a time where electric cars were mocked at? There were so many other easier ways he could have made money other than investing into a startup whose future was looking bleak at that time? Why would he take such a risk?

[@JeyAnirudhJekka]

@@lebrigand4115 and about the visionary thing, he's already visionary enough for me for making reusable space rockets which revolutionised the space industry. Only because of him now almost all private companies are pushing towards reusable rockets which can make space travel sustainable.

[@ceezmad1]

I agree about the loop, people criticize it as inefficient compared to trains, but people ignore that is a marketing scheme for his cars and keeps important people away from us, the unwashed masses.

[@StNick119]

I believe he said this at some point himself, saying that he hated public transport and that having to spend time in enclosed spaces with strangers should be undesirable to everyone.

[@electric7487]

@@StNick119 Yes, and he got called out for it. *"In cities, [Felon Musk's] hatred of sharing space with strangers is a luxury (or pathology) that only the rich can afford. Letting him design cities is the essence of elite projection."*

[@TheoTattaglia]

If you own a car manufacturer you can't be mad at traffic. Wanting most of the cars in traffic to be manufactured by your company makes way more sense. All he did was make it obvious, to the ones who didn't know, that quality public transportation is superior.

[@williansouza8724]

nevermind that the tunnels are actually terribly dangerous in case of an accident. if one tesla’s battery pack catches on fire down there it’s game over for everyone.

[@MrMarinus18]

You also need to look at the rebuttals the Musk fans give trying to point out how much cheaper it is than metro. That kind of points out that saving the rich money is more important than providing service to the poor. I never thought having trains be commercial made sense. They are a public service to allow for people to meet and for the poor to work away from home and visit places. A good public transportation system should be government ran and funded as an indirect service to the poor. If some middle and rich people use it, that's good for the climate but it's main purpose should be for the poor. Musk's argument that in a train you could get robbed is actually why we should have trains. So that the rich can't so easily isolate themselves from the pain they inflict on the poor.

[@marcuscarana9240]

Elon Musk is indeed very skillful, very intelligent and a genius not as a scientist or an engineer but as a conman. Being able to fool so many people into believing your lies is something that is actually very difficult to do but Musk has perfected it. He was able to paint himself as this technology saint that would guide humanity into evolution despite the fact 99 percent of the work was done by unrecognised workers.

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

You are underestimating idiots. How many of those people he comvinces are intelligent people?

[@wizardtim8573]

Eh? All you have to do to get a lot of people to believe your lies is tell MORE than a lot of people those lies. This isn't rocket science, this is basic psychology 101. If you tell a thousand people that there are Martians on Mars, chances are you're going to convince a few hundred that there actually ARE Martians on Mars. Some dude said the world was Flat. Guess where this example is going.

[@cloudymccloud00]

I don't think he's a liar at all. He seems to really believe his own BS.

[@loripower7819]

Do you have any proof of his skills, intelligence and genius? Have you heard him speak?

[@arkoisagoodboy]

You're using technology he invented right now.

[@neku2741]

Elon's idea of change always involved himself making a lot of money.

[@blank4181]

"Elon musks utopia is not Startrek. It's Bladerunner." -Adam Something

[@Skrenja]

I like that quote but Adam Something is a tool.

[@bryberkson491]

Musk fans often say "Well, I trust him because he's successful." As well as being a big ass fallacy, it is exhausting

[@mock15halo]

I don't recall seeing "Well, I trust him because he's successful." being a comment that's made often. Do I trust Bezos because he's successful? Do I trust Stalin because he was successful (when it comes to gaining power)? No. I more-so often hear people trusting him because he's decided to do things with his money that has advanced mankind in certain sectors when he easily could have cashed out his shares when stocks peaked or made some boring fucking company that gave nothing back to the world.

[@Sednas]

Strawman fallacy, nobody ever said that genius.

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

@@mock15halo People trust him, or more likely, pay attention to him because he has a history of having targets that are considered unlikely to succeed and he reached some of them against all odds. That can be exciting to witness or at least entertaining.

[@420raulduke]

Literally saw this argument here in the comments.

[@SiriusMined]

Well said "he's duped a lot of other people, so I'll be duped too!"

[@harpermcalpineblack8573]

The reason Musk's ideas resonate with people is because his vision is pure adolescent science fiction. Sci-fi movies sold us a future. Anyone raised on sci-fi movies, or Star trek etc., will think the trajectory of history is with Musk. I'm not surprised he has a big fan base.

[@GameDevNerd]

Elon Musk's "futurism" is really just bits and pieces of stuff he saw in old Science Channel documentaries and claims he's gonna do. I see it all the time where the media credits him with some lofty idea like having brain-computer interfaces or a Mars colony and I actually saw the same ideas on a Science Channel documentary 10 or 20 years ago. Elon just has a similar taste for documentaries to mine, but I never tried to take credit for the ideas to impress the more ignorant majority of our society ... in retrospect, I should have!

[@blocksource4192]

Same retrospect here, why should I and my family run businesses legally? We should all just lie about our profits, functionality, etc and sell broken company to rich men!

[@zarfmouse]

Discovery Season 1 Spoilers: Let's not overlook that the Star Trek character who cited Musk as a hero later turns out to be an evil doppelganger from a universe where human culture glorifies cruelty, competition, and treachery.

[@JewTube001]

it's really fitting for lorca to bring up musk and the way he did it.

[@khadijakenneth5107]

Oh my God, I didn't even realize! Man, that's clever of the writers. Well spotted

[@jalpat2272]

@@khadijakenneth5107 or might be just unintended part, as The STDs writer answered a question on why there is paraplegic crew member on discovery with dumber answer that paraplegic is part of identity pride.

[@jonkomatsu8192]

Perhaps the alien meant Jeff Bezos, but got his Earth history mixed up. Hah! 😏

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

Frankly, they should have known on the spot something was wrong with that guy.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

around 21:25 "Young people seem to want to believe in the future again", odd thought, but I have to wonder if it is that we believe in the future or that we so thoroughly don't believe in the present that we feel a need to cling on to something else. I don't know if anyone else agrees or disagrees but it seems interesting to question whether millenials and younger people are so much pro-future as anti-present?

[@Tom_Nicholas]

I think that's a really good point. I definitely agree that the emergent belief in the future amongst younger people comes to some extent from a massive sense of disenfranchisement in the present. I guess I kinda argued that in my Millennial Socialism video (although I made that so long ago now that I can't quite remember what the argument of that video was!).

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@Tom_Nicholas lol forgetting stuff you did, I can relate to that with some of the papers and classes I've taken.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Haha, I've been editing my PhD recently and the amount of times I've gone back to a chapter and been like "oh wow, yeah, I forgot about this bit" is ridiculous.

You've just put me on a spiral, mate

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@ You have no idea how happy it makes me to do that to people

[@lenareuti9063]

I once read a statement saying " the future is already here. Its just not evenly distributed" and that works quite well for this video too imo

[@nothinglastsforever0000]

This aged like a fine wine

[@MichaelJones-wj4mo]

Crazy to think that now Musk has intentionally and publicly sided with conservative thought. It’s interesting that this political changeover happened as he became the richest man on the planet. He likes the status quo quite a lot

[@OlivierGabin]

"The Loop is not a mass transportation system, but a transportation system for the elite, to separate them from the vulgus pecum" (I rewrite it slightly but I keep the idea) - Excellent definition. And you see this in every projects he made : designed for an elite, not a masse... This decryption key of Musk behaviour is highly pertinent, thanks a lot to formulate it.

[@lucabrandalesi1265]

Not only: he focuses on private and single transportation, which is not the solution to climate change. He wants to move containers with single, battery powered pods, which will create massive pollution and more poverty in places where they mine lithium, while freight trains exist already. Also, his family got rich with apartheid. It's enough for me to not like him

[@GeneralLiuofBoston1911]

@@lucabrandalesi1265 I will say it again and again. *inhales* WE NEED ELECTRIFIED HEAVY AND LIGHT RAIL NOT BATTERY POWERED HYPERLOOP PODS *exhales* If we keep using such an idea like his "personalized" whatever and designing it to entice the type of kids who stream on twitch. RGB lighting, boxy vehicle design, and the feeling to travel "in style". His plans do not put the interest of the common people like his Space X program or whatever rocket plan to shoot people to their destination "in just 30 minutes"* *travel time does not include refueling, security checks, travel by boat to his ocean platforms, boarding the boat, security check at the boat, departing the boat, boarding the rocket, and departing the rocket. We have the means to transport mass amounts of people with electric vehicles (electric trains, which have existed for over 100 years). We know it works, it is widely used, and uses much less amounts of batteries or rocket fuel that Elon Musk plans to use.

[@mrinank8494]

We'll all these usually lead to a lot of innovation along the way. A lot of innovation came from the first space race, including asthma inhalers. Battery technology meant for cars can also be used for storage in the future, which would remove one of the major limitations of renewable energy. He's just answering a demand, because American transport is Anyway highly personalized. Everyone already owns a car. No one says cars are designed for the elite. Sure, there are a bunch of problems with lack of mass transportation, but that's the governments fault. Musk is simply responding to demand for better private transportation.

[@minidreschi2]

I just don't understand how can he call himself socialist? Is he giving something "back"? Doing something i don't know?

[@lucabrandalesi1265]

@@minidreschi2 no he's not. He's trying to appeal to young people who are trying to understand what socialism is and make them new clients for his rich people's toys

[@jrg2866]

TL;DW: Anyone who says they can save the world with the power of *product* isn't saving you, they're selling to you.

[@askzeidler-due7975]

please tell me when elon musk claimed to be saving the world? i mean really, it isn't him that's claiming to be saving the world, its his fans. he has both negative and positive aspects, everybody does. i mean sure you can say that he has done moral things. but you cannot deny that he has greatly aided the advancement of space technology, electric cars, batteries, solar panels, etc. he is not a saint, but he is not the devil either.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank The only input consumers can give is "how much money would I pay for this." With clever advertising, you can make your consumer base pay way more for a product that barely does anything. For example, you could make car owners think that travelling in a massive underground road network will avert the climate catastrophe, when in reality, it's much better to take a bus or a train.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank Public transit systems have to be developed by local governments, not companies. Nearly all of their funding comes from taxpayers, not ticket fares, and because of our government's hesitation to spend, they're falling apart across the country. And at any rate, transportation doesn't account for most carbon emissions. While it does account for 28% of US emissions, there's still electricity production, agriculture, and more. www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions Keeping track of all of the power companies, food companies, and problematic industries is extremely difficult at best. Any plan that relies on a majority of people doing that will fail.

[@jrg2866]

@@TheNastyTank I support public transit because I live in the most densely populated city in the country, and I need to use it to get anywhere. There's no comparison shopping and no marketing, save for notices announcing plans to renovate stations. Subways and buses aren't products marketed to us, they're basic infrastructure cities need to function, like roads. You seem to think that I'm arguing that the concept of marketing is evil, and I'm not; I'm saying that ads can be misleading. Marketing for products ranging from electric cars to bottled water constantly greenwash to make you think that you're helping the environment by giving them money, but you aren't.

[@lordchipmonk1]

The two are not mutually exclusive. Just as someone giving you something for no cost does not always benefit you.

[@evertonc1448]

*Musk is good at making himself look smart in front of ignorant people.* I think one of the eye openers for me to fully see Musk for what he is was when he decided to be into cryptocurrencies and became a Blockchain specialist in a couple months: his revolutionary solution to Blockchain transaction prices and speed? Increase the block size. He said this in 2021, that was proved to not work 7 years ago by actual Blockchain software engineers in the Bitcoin foundation and was actually practically tried by the Bitcoin Cash fork.

[@homevalueglass3809]

Yeah and pumping doge coin? I'm surprised Elon hasn't made his own cryptocurrency yet and move beyond POW but perhaps he doesn't feel like getting sued by the SEC.

[@Chance57]

Elon Musk is the Jordan Peterson of tech bros? Makes sense. The Venn diagram of their acolytes is nearly a perfect circle.

[@deedee7780]

@@Chance57 Can you explain what you mean by Elon is the Jordan Peterson of tech bros? I personally think they're both charlatans.

[@pm6127]

@@deedee7780 both have a cult following especially the incel types.

[@toufikhb253]

@@deedee7780 in what way is a jp a charlatan ? What does he sell tho?

[@Deondre_Clark]

Seeing this is 2 years old makes it that much more amazing. Waaaaay too many sane people were drinking that Musk kool-aid back then. Great video!

[@nah9585]

3 years and oddly more relevant...

[@MidnightIam]

When master and slave both pray to the same God, someone's prayer isn't getting answered

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

Unless that God doesn’t have respect for so-called human status.

[@sirkiz1181]

@@STAR-RADIANCE I don’t think you understood what he said

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

@@sirkiz1181 yeah I understand the statement. I also understand that God doesn’t respect human status. God can answer both prayers. He will answer based upon their motives.

[@sirkiz1181]

@@STAR-RADIANCE You still don’t understand what Op said. His point is that slave wouldn’t be a slave if God was answering his prayers

[@STAR-RADIANCE]

@@sirkiz1181 yeah I understand. What you don’t understand is that anyone who prays to God needs to repent, slave and master alike, before God is going to hear their prayer. God does not distinguish between the two the same way we do. The slave may remain a slave until God says otherwise. The point is that God’s ways are not our ways.

[@paulmarchano7238]

People need to be critical thinkers and take the good and bad of these so called “inspirational idols”. Many just want to eat whatever smells good without asking what’s actually in the food.

[@joshmarshall7610]

But that's the problem really, isn't it? Current society, and more importantly, the younger generations have seemingly lost the ability to be critical thinkers, they devour anything put in front of them, whether it's good or bad. The amount of idiotic "news" handed out on social media and even mainstream media, is taken as fact, without any question

[@paulmarchano7238]

@@joshmarshall7610 I concur wholeheartedly.

[@claynorth964]

@@joshmarshall7610 this might be a shocker but, people have ALWAYS been that stupid; its in our nature.

[@thegoodsmaster]

@@johnbiscuit8272 he gets tax breaks no other company gets. our government see and economic incentive to build electric car. "the red scare" in chinas 3 large EV manufactures pushing tesla out of china. so they will orchestrate geopolitical moves to ensure musk has the supplies to remain dominant. like overthrowing countries that have rare minerals essential to batteries. the same way we disrupt central america and the middle east for oil for gas production. so hes technically spending our money through under the table agreement for more materials for manufacturing supplies and to boost tesla share price. hell nancy pelosi sold some stock option when biden made his go EV initiative

[@whatwhale5888]

@@joshmarshall7610 lol ok boomer. The younger generation isnt the ones you should be worried about when it comes to critical thinking skills. Gen z and millennials arent the ones out there legit believing bill gates is microchipping us with the vaccine or whatever

[@jasontiscione1741]

Elon is trying to back out of his ill-timed Twitter deal by pretending they kept their trolls a secret from him. He’s the type of guy who proposes marriage, and then takes it back once he gets off the plane and meets you in person.

[@BlurNZ]

Given we all know he goes for anime cat girls, I can only assume you catfished him sir! I'm sorry, you just set that up so well...

[@Helperbot-2000]

its just like i thought myself it was, a pr stunt

[@kalebjones9973]

I mean they literally weren't transparent with how many bot accounts there was. Not as many users as advertised=less value

[@jasontiscione1741]

@@kalebjones9973 So you're saying once he kicks the bots off the site becomes MORE valuable! Getting rid of bots was one of his stated reasons for entering the contract. The type of contract he signed makes representations by Twitter not actionable. He has to prove that these undisclosed bots will put Twitter out of business no matter what he does.

[@kennethhwang3425]

@@jasontiscione1741 Also, getting rid of bots has always been and will always be a Sisyphean task.

[@O1OO1O1]

Careful, Elon may ban you on Twitter for criticising him here 2 years ago

[@ssb9054]

That happens in socialist countries, if you outshine or criticize the local party member, you will be taken out.

[@ragalyiakos]

I was so invested in your recap of 20th and 21st century attitudes towards the future, that I was I completely shocked when you brought up Musk again, and then realized "Oh yeah, this video was about Elon Musk, I forgot!"

[@nobodynoone2500]

It deserves its own video TBH. The "cancelling of the future" happens every few decades as governments legislate an "engineering Freeze" of sorts to figure out how to rule others in the new landscape.

[@murraymadness4674]

Agree, the first half was interesting, have not heard that interpretation of history, but it makes sense, glad to have watched it. The rest I stopped watching it half way through. Must is just another billionaire and tesla is just another car company. The Roadster days it was something great. Then Musk took over and made it unspecial.

[@onedwinone]

Sounds somebody who loves to voice his own thoughts ,or what hes been trained to think at college.

[@benm3382]

@@murraymadness4674 well you should have watched the rest because you obviously have no idea what he was about to say. His main point is that Musk excites people because he openly thinks about the future, but that people should be more aware of the fact that Musks plans for the future involve helping the elite few survive against the many.

[@paulryan2128]

@@onedwinone So go on ... what more do you have to say?

[@petergreene4428]

A real missed opportunity not naming your character for this one “Major Tom”...great video (as always)

[@averyjackblack7420]

Lol for real 😹

[@noahzemp3105]

I was just listening the when i clicked on this video 🤯

[@itstrbo]

Ostensibly "Tom" was Major Tom's last name ...its not common to refer to military members by rank and first name

[@john-paulhunt9798]

@@averyjackblack7420 mmm. Nods watching music video once.

[@averyjackblack7420]

@@john-paulhunt9798 🌹✨

[@LunarPenguin42]

amazing how its possible to talk about ford without mentioning the horrific labour conditions he put his workers in

[@Trouble_Bubble36]

If you saw the title of the video, you would realize it’s not about Henry Ford.

[@oddfellowone]

Musk is trying to do the same thing, firing those who criticize or unionize. If you want to see manipulation, look at Solar City, a company that Tesla didn’t want, but forced the sale, which he legally should have had nothing to do with so he could transfer hundreds of millions to his cousins at SC. In two years SC was dead.

[@rjmendlein]

AND Musk seems to appreciate and model that aspect of Ford. I cannot imagine being a Musk employee when he regularly berates them and breaks most labor laws.

[@bethanychatman9531]

​@@Trouble_Bubble36 WOW, way to miss the point.

[@porters.5811]

I think a more accurate title might be: "The Deceptive Futurism of Elon Musk"

[@nishantak911]

fake is more alliterative

[@rafaeterna1081]

@@peskypigeonxlet's be honest, his opinion doesn't matter to you vice versa lol

[@gcburns4]

I'd disagree with it. I do think Musk seeks legend and legacy status, but I do not think he is an elitist at all. I think he is far less driven by money than most near his level. He has consistently pushed for industry wide change, government change, and more competition in the sake of making technology more affordable. Even with respect to the intro to this video, Musk has commented at length and even structured the Starship program to make Mars as accessible to all as possible. (he thinks it can eventually be like 150k) . I generally think he is very open and honest and views himself in very human ways.. but he absolutely wants the world to never forget his name. For the record, I do not think there will be any colony on Mars in pretty much anyone's lifetime. Hurdles are massive and unseen. A scientific outpost in a decade or so would be cool though.

[@Anonymous-vr6ph]

For me Elon Musk is one of the only humans on this planet (that I know) who is really trying to change something. Even if for me above all counts, that he tries with all means to escape the extinction of our species. This he tries by founding a company whereby he wants to send people to Mars. And even if I could now explain how this helps mankind, I am not here because of that. Because even if he runs a company like almost every other capitalist, he tries with this company something that no one else does. I would bet on governmental institutions (like NASA) but they are absolutely not relevant anymore (This is supported by the fact that mankind has not been on the moon for about 50 years). And of course now again people can come and argue that we should not look at the sky but on the ground of the facts. However, I would strongly recommend them to deal with our future and the possibility of space exploration. Period.

[@zico739]

No, “fake” is the best word to go with.

[@synthiandrakon]

I think what demonstrates most clearly that musk isn't doing what he does because he cares about the environment was Tesla's repeated refusal to adopt a universal charging port for their cars. Or how there is basically no way to get a Tesla fixed without going directly to the company. It feels like they just really want some form of monopoly

[@donflamingo795]

Basically Apple

[@goldendemise3165]

Oh so how many mechanics shop can properly fixed an electric car..... Please tell me, and if something goes wrong on the road Tesla will get blasted by the media.

[@rejvaik00]

Yep, pretty much Tesla hates the "right to repair" and they are trying very hard to lobby with lawmakers to ensure that no one can modify, or repair a car except for the company themselves

[@pranavpatil1362]

he can't, he doesn't have proper knowledge about manufacturing, car gaints such as BMW, mercedes and many more are rolling out their EVs and they know how to sell them unlike musk.

[@synthiandrakon]

@@goldendemise3165 electric cars are relatively simple machines in fact they are less complicated than gas powered cars, it's not impossible for shops figure out how do fix them

[@theblacklapinou]

I totally agree with you. Doesn’t need an engineering degree to see the major flaws in a popular application of muks’s « dreams », the funny thing is ; because he’s playing it so « down to earth, like any other nerds dude », it never occurred to me that the plans never intended to be applied to « lower class » people. Like, I knew it could never be given to the masses, but this video made me realize it never was the plan. It’s so obvious now.

[@steverrobbins10]

I love that you made this before Elon bought twitter and demonstrated publicly the ... divergence ... between his words and his actions.

[@Dan-ud8hz]

"In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face." Diogenes

[@transvestosaurus878]

2400 year old 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@planets9102]

@Jeff Jeff A man of culture I see.

[@user-pq9gy3fq1q]

I really don't get Diogenes, sure, he was a homeless savage that spits philosophy in to the rich, but he's also a homeless savage that spits philosophy into the rich and basically anyone else.

[@Invizive]

Diogenes was talking about people who lived worse than modern average low class. He was against any posessions and favoured "canine" way of living that meant total ridicule of any comfort in life - in some ways he was more egoistic than people he criticized.

[@appleslover]

@@Just_Pele can I ask you something, what is the west ? What are the boundaries of the "west" ? Which countries are "western" ? I ask because the term is being used and misused to the point it lost it's meaning just like how "first world" changed from a political noun to a financial/social adjective

[@hellNo116]

as someone who studies engineering the more i learn about the field any admiration i had for musk is quickly lost.

[@alphaomega6023]

Why?

[@hellNo116]

@@alphaomega6023 he just speak out of his ass on many subjects he has no firm knowledge on. he overworks my fellow engineers and acts like their achievements are his. he wasn't even the original owner of tesla. he happened to be the one to popularise it. also his motive of space exploration are not purely scientific so if left unchecked by the scientific community could result in situations that ppl end up fighting of ownership over mars and maybe even access to findings.

[@GG-jn9fx]

Exact same thing happened to me lol you begin to realize real innovation is done through insane amounts of cross discipline collaboration.

[@GG-jn9fx]

@@alphaomega6023 for me, the thought of someone marketing himself as this prophet like inventor is no different then one of those ig stock market gurus. Real innovation takes a lot of teamwork and it’s slow as shit (Not saying we should stop innovating).

[@hellNo116]

@@GG-jn9fx that ^. it is so annoying that we have many times be forced to reinvent the wheel. they are so many problems solved but are not published and are in the libraries of some companies.

[@slunderchuster4273]

In terms of character, he is just a male version of Elizabeth Holmes. More people oughta realize that

[@justicebeske5704]

Thank you, I'm so glad people are finally starting to see threw his fake image he puts on. I am so tired of people making excuses for him and treating him like iron man

[@fromgermany271]

He is an (cast) iron man. Brittle, cold and (in between) a bit heavy.

[@sutapasbhattacharya9471]

through [not threw - which is past tense for throw]

[@williamgurney4226]

@@sutapasbhattacharya9471 Caused me pain too 😂

[@G0DofRock]

Elon Musk wants to build roads at the bottom of the ocean... Fanboys: "WOW that's sooo ambitious..." -_-

[@G0DofRock]

I remember just a few years ago how 'insane' it was to think that there was still water on Mars... Now Elon Musk suggests living there, on a planet with no atmosphere or conditions to survive... And this is somehow going to be an escape from Earth once climate-change has dealt catastrophic effects. You do realize that the planet will still be habitable and we will for the most part have breathable air? This Mars bullshit, Hyperloop, it's all just one big Theranos project that they are keeping hush-hush about, and will continue to downplay the lack of progress so that he can reach unfathomable wealth via investors (which he has done) so that he can retreat into his series of underground bunkers on THIS planet once shit hits the fan.

[@yb7607]

Exactly!

[@paulgoogol2652]

Call them fanbots instead. Bots will be bots.

[@paulgoogol2652]

@@G0DofRock Yup probably even 50 years after climate change kicked in (say 2050) and after a global nuclear war, earth may be more habitable.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

@@G0DofRock I think you've missed the point of the Mars trip a bit. Elon has said multiple times why he thinks it's important to get off Earth, and never once was it, "Our planet is fucked, lol." I'm not his biggest fan either, but the idea that we should get off Earth is based on the idea of ANY apocalyptic event, which is statistically inevitable to happen at some point. If we have people living off of planet Earth, and it's wiped out by a disease, or by an asteroid, or yes even catastrophic backlash from climate change, the human species would survive. That's his whole idea, and to reduce it down to him saying we should abandon Earth is just quite simply a strawman, and no argument that Elon has voiced.

[@idsbraam]

'A real life tony stark' Aaannnddd Musk makes weapon delivery systems now.

[@MotoGoato]

I'm wondering where his flying weaponised robotic wearable suit is ......

[@chadmueller9135]

@@MotoGoato that would actually be a badass invention. His Teslas sure aren't.

[@poisondamage2182]

@@MotoGoato musk is pre iron man tony stark, the one that thinks war-profiteering is good actually

[@koreboredom4302]

@@poisondamage2182 is it too late to call up some middle eastern terrorists?

[@robertstan298]

You mean his workers are...

[@keremmorgul367]

Can’t believe I can watch such high quality content on KZbin. Thanks a lot to everyone involved in the production.

[@fredrik3685]

I think every "invention ' by Elon could already be found in futuristic comic books.

[@nonemongo]

I really hope musk's mars colony will become a thing. Imagine the horror in people's eyes when they arrive at mars and find they've joined a dictatorship lol

[@pbxn-3rdx-85percent]

The dictatorship will just be a minor thing. They'll be running out of food and cannibalism will be a necessity on Mars. Let's give Musk's fanboys a nice farewell. 😂😄

[@leo.nordmann]

This really reminds me of the show "Snowpiercer".

[@RealHardR]

@@leo.nordmann hell yeah good movie

[@murdelabop]

Most of them will be Musk fanbois. They'll think living in a city-state ruled by Elon is just great. At least at first.

[@jamesboulger8705]

@@leo.nordmann More like Total Recall. In the film, it is clear the government of Mars is a corporate one, with totalitarian control over the population.

[@worker-wf2em]

I think it could also be a lot simpler in that Musk continually makes these grandiose promises to keep his stock value in a perpetual state of over-inflation

[@alexandersimpson3638]

A modern day living breathing sound bite devoid of any substance, a plagiarist, snake oil salesman..He’s woke but isn’t, he’s a capitalist but claims not to be.. He promises everything but constantly disappoints, breaks deadlines and simply strides onward with an equally loyal fan base…

[@akuakkk1908]

I love this channel. No dunking for the sake of feeling superior but rather just present arguments.

[@ketrakrelek2347]

as a civil engineer i've always rolled my eyes at the hyperloop for being super inefficient (similarly for his idea to use excavated soil to make earth bricks, it's not that simple! 😅) but you pointing out that we shouldn't assume his schemes are actually for everyone/the public totally makes the inefficiencies make sense. anyway thanks for another great explanation of theory, this science phd student really appreciates the clear but not patronising introductions to ideas :)

[@bri1085]

Which hyperloop idea? The pressurised pipe or, subways, but for cars?

[@unknownsoldier452]

@@bri1085 Don't bother, these people could not tell the difference even if you presented them with the schematics.

[@mattheworegan5371]

You can really teel who Musk is when his response to affordable housing is "yeah, the proles can have my dirt"

[@akzebraminer5679]

I don’t think hyperloop would work, Elon Musk isn’t even working on it himself.

[@brianleonard6598]

@@unknownsoldier452 Found the Musk fanboy

[@TheLinkinc]

Tom, escaping the effects of the climate crisis to Mars is like avoiding drowning in a puddle by jumping into the ocean...

[@mizutofu]

the real climate crisis will only be caused by the eruption of a supervolcano

[@kedrednael]

@@mizutofu Or nuclear war

[@nuuuuuut]

@@mizutofu We're already in a "real climate crisis"...

[@mizutofu]

@@nuuuuuut so why is no one preparing for supervolcano?

[@nuuuuuut]

@@mizutofu There's really no way to prepare for that or predict it.

[@lyrajaded]

After the 3 years of Musk’s persistent lack of quality of his products, garbage handling of twitter, and the possibility that his hyper loop was purely pitched to take money away from public transportation, this video hits different.

[@samr.england613]

Musk is full of bullsh*t bro.

[@diegoandres2499]

this aged like wine

[@Souls4Roca]

Ford's bones roll in his grave for calling him a thief....

[@dailydoseofnothing6217]

Indeed

[@DesignerDave]

I'm so glad Ramsay Bolton was able to rehabilitate his image on KZbin.

[@gwencere9383]

That's so mean trdftgkuhikikh

[@DesignerDave]

@@gwencere9383 I meant it in the nicest way possible. ;) And I enjoyed the video.

[@gwencere9383]

@@DesignerDave I know lol, my comment was a joke :)

[@altobonifacio8936]

@@gwencere9383 it was a nice joke not so offensive

[@gwencere9383]

@@altobonifacio8936 dude I know I was also joking

[@juezna]

"41% of millenials have a positive view of Musk". Kill me, kill me now

[@nokaton]

I'm sure that this won't age well. And the younger generations (zoomer, alpha, beta, whatever it's called) in the future will laugh at us, when Musk's fraud empire collapses in the next 10-20 years.

[@CermyAndroidGameplay]

Actually it's getting bigger and stronger ;)

[@ianhuerta6046]

@@CermyAndroidGameplay 'depends one the city. In Austin yes-ish, but in SanAntonio 'tis the opposite.

[@daveroche6522]

STOP PRESS! 41% of millenials are BONEHEADS!

[@kyleshape8645]

@@CermyAndroidGameplay r/AgedLikeMilk

[@Antagon666]

I admire how Musk built Hyperloop all over the world and went to Mars in 2022.

[@hanzhu8389]

Imagine all the masses fleeing to Mars with Mr. Musk to escape WW3 or the zombie apocalypse or space alien invasion just to perish immediately the moment they land due to a Martian disease.

[@ailblentyn]

On the idea of the future... As a member of GenX, I would say that growing up in the Cold War involved a lot of dread of the future. We were told by adults again and again that we were all going to die in WW3.

[@alpha6549]

I think it’s necessary to have an optimistic view on the future otherwise it will be no force to drive you forward But making it some spiritualistic belief in the future is too much.

[@breatheasy2693]

That's just you

[@jacobgarcia7617]

I mean we still could.

[@Jules_73]

​@Jo As a gen Xer the discussion in school was about the next ice age and how it would devastate modern life. Same issue with a different name

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

I mean sure, it *might* not be WWIII. At this point there's such a variety of ways we could kill ourselves, chances are we'll all die of some fascinating mixture of them.

[@myreply1714]

Well, Elon Musk isn't the first to have the idea of underground roads. Underground roads were planned even by H!tler in his "Germania project".

[@jamesboulger8705]

Is Musk's next project to deflood the Mediterranean?

[@davitdavid7165]

Did you also see his visions of the reichstag? Dude was not cool, but his meth filled head had ideas....

[@comdrive3865]

hail capitalism

[@matsab7930]

Interesting historical tidbit but not exactly relevant. Hitler was a big proponent of investing in infrastructure in general; that doesn't mean investing in infrastructure brings you in any way in line with Hitler.

[@myreply1714]

@@matsab7930 I didn't intent to be relevant. I just wanted to make a little pun.

[@federicoleoncini]

Aged like a fine wine

[@ireallygotnothing]

All i ever cared about when it came to musk was spacex. Finally, i thought, we can return to space and begin the long arduous process of building shit on the moon. And then the man said he's aiming for mars without going for the moon first like an actual madman.

[@felipebs01]

Came to see a video about Elon Musk and got a masterclass in politics and economy. We don't see great content like this everyday. With youtube filled with misguided and fake information this is precious!

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Thanks Felipe, glad you liked it!

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Musk is a divine being incarnating in a man. You, a cockroach fart.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Hes half joking. Marx wasnt telling intellectually honest human intelligence about genetics being the culprit. Its funny because Ashkenazi play by the same plumage. IQ is easy to select for unlike unpredictable capabilities: the frontal lobe, which our hebrew pals definitely gave up some brains. The future is ethical stabilization of the genome exception being the liabilities, like a national park might. Musk is literally just on a level you completely underestimate because you take his words at face value. But integrity is irrelevant, its viewership that counts right?

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnrMpmOEjNp2pbc @ 07:32 What would be the point of Communism if we made the instinct for deception for political social gain extinct with genetic engineering? If we are lightyears across space as a civilization, how do we preserve being human? Random mutation does not stop unless you act. You might as well be seeding the galaxy with alien competitors across cosmic timescales. Musk literally cant hold people's hand because they are legitimately too stupid to understand, so he trolls. Your content is garbage.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Tom_Nicholas Lets see you pull a jordan peterson and remove the comments even if they have achieved thousands of likes by the time i have something eye catching to say.

[@mishat5405]

As a biology student, the idea that we could terraform Mars if we can’t fix Earth just makes my blood boil

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Haha, to be fair, I have this thing where, when I get a certain way through a project, I get really frustrated with it and want to just move on to the next thing. This is basically the same but with planets...

[@lijenamacka]

@@Tom_Nicholas haha :)

[@Scofield229]

As a Medical student, the fact that Elon is using Tesla(motors and sustainable energy) to move the population away the burning of fossil fuels and filling the atmosphere with CO2, makes me smile.

[@chairmanofrussia]

Scofield229 well, I’d have to see more tesla models that are as affordable as other electric alternatives, like the volt, and I’d like to see the emissions of the manufacturing process (from the mining of the materials to the rolling off of the factory floor), before I can truly smile, but I’m inclined to agree.

[@akira28shima32]

Yeah, good one. Your blood boil because people dare to dream or think differently from your perception of truth!!??People only recently accepted microbes cause disease!!

[@MikiCab1]

This video has aged well

[@LorettaBangBang]

"Move fast and break things" "... What for?" "Doesn't matter"

[@congratulationsmerry6386]

What for? Money and attention to subdtitute the attention his father never gave to him

[@mohebbi71]

I’m a little bummed you didn’t call it Musk-ular Futurism

[@korawega6293]

Yeah it was right there man

[@Groovebot3k]

Musk-ular Futurism is actually perfect as a satirical dig, in my opinion, because for all the talk of Musk as being RL Tony Stark I've always thought of him as RL Lex Luthor.

[@Pencil0fDoom]

arash mohebbi or Muskular Distophy.

[@Pencil0fDoom]

Groovebot 3000 when he let slip about the cut-to-the-chase Martian terraforming strategy of NUKING THE POLES on the red planet, I recall someone nervously kidding that he might actually be a Super-Villain. Made a lot of sense, really.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@Pencil0fDoom How does that make you a super villain? Is not like anyone lives on Mars.

[@giuliam7737]

The moment thatcher appeared on the screen my computer shut down and dude same

[@dystopiaahoy]

She used ideology the way other women use a strap-on.

[@arkavi]

Do you think Margaret Thatcher has girl power?

[@RogerBarraud]

She makes my digestive system shut down... sometimes even reverse... or accelerate wildly. YMMV :-/

[@osmundkettleback5815]

@@arkavi Do you think she effectively utilized girl power in funnelling money to illegal paramilitary death squads in Northern Ireland?

[@arkavi]

@@osmundkettleback5815 I don't know about that!

[@AJHadley]

I'm getting more and more convinced that Musk read Atlas Shrugged as a teenager and decided he wanted to become John Galt.

[@oneofthoseyoutubeusers]

should be titled 'The Fake Free-Speech of Elon Musk'

[@FreyaEinde]

Can you imagine the brass balls you’ve got to have to declare the future dead. But beyond that one dude culture has largely done that. Declaring all good things being contained in the past and insisting that everything new is of lesser quality and should be instantly dismissed.I think this ideal more than anything holds the status quo in place. Like there’s this insistence that we’ve tried all the ideas and they were a bust, and that’s untrue. We never got near to fulfilling MLK’s Dream or really tackling any of these progressive ideas we had. Even though we have the resources we kneecap ourselves from investing in anything that doesn’t yield an instant profit. Most of these ideas from the past that we prize were all were snuffed out early and we don’t even know what the results would be if we shuffled things around. The insistence that nothing can ever change is an insidious one and until we can really acknowledge that we’ll be kinda stuck in this slump.

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Along similar lines, at some point, I want to do a video about dystopian fiction which asks whether there's something inherently conservative about it, at least as it exists in the present day. Past works which engage with ideas of dystopia (1984 or The Time Machine for instance) often had a very specific critique to make about a very specific form of politics/societal structure; in the present, there is often a much broader suggestion that "nothing can ever change for the better".

[@FreyaEinde]

@@Tom_Nicholas oh that'll be neat, I've been thinking lately that dystopic fiction in recent years really do depend on the idea of exceptionalism and the acknowledgement of it as the main means for revolution. And how that's kind of a flawed concept, hunger games doesn't count in this but it's derivatives really do.

[@kasiar1540]

He sounds like a genocidal maniac

[@userJohnSmith]

Conservatism keeps societies from running off the cliff in pursuit of "the perfect society." It simply holds that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a child's idea (kind of why people become more conservative as they age). Dystopian fiction's warnings are at most trying to make the point that embracing a new ideology completely and forcibly use it to transform society is inherently dangerous. It has worked out a tiny fraction of the number of times it's been tried. The US being the obvious positive example and the French and Communist revolutions being the obvious negative examples. Dystopian fiction is only conservative in the sense that it says "new isn't better because it's new." More importantly framing conservativism as inherently bad is childish. Liberalism, progressivism, conservatism, and libertarianism are the big tenets of the Western politic and they must exist in a positive balance.

[@FreyaEinde]

@@userJohnSmith Can they live in balance if they're opposed in theory and practice to one another? Like it's nice to imagine that things can just naturally stay in the middle but in the middle of where? Political ideologies pull and eventually one side pulls harder. It's not realistic that opposing forces will bring a balance unless you're just talking about the eventual acceptance that hierarchal suffering is good for the benefit of most that allegedly comes with age.

[@FatManJackson]

For someone who claims or wants to appear as to represent TESLA with his company, he idolizes EDISON too much. This should already make you think about the person he really is.

[@loneranger4282]

lmfao

[@user-gd4ty2nq3u]

elaborate what you believe he is by idolizing edison

[@FatManJackson]

@@user-gd4ty2nq3u someone who loves attention and approval. Someone who values marketing more than innovating. Someone who likes money more than helping humanity.

[@N1tr063nFr05trhym3]

Tesla freak vibes

[@FatManJackson]

@@N1tr063nFr05trhym3 Tesla freak? No, I am just someone who admires REAL innovators, not people who pose as such. Who knows if Musk really knows ANYTHING about what his company is doing? He could even just be studying a script and then presenting it to us. I am not saying this is true, but he definitely cares more about the way he presents himself to the world than a true, unmentioned scientist.

[@anthonyrobertson2011]

I realized not to pay attention to Musk when he kept making so many claims his company would do X in a few months or in a couple of years. These time windows kept passing and no news about his new breakthroughs. I realized at the very least, add 5 or 10, even 30 years sometimes, to his claim they would have said new technology. He made a huge claim on Joe Rogan that something ground breaking would be announced within six month. So impressing Joe that he mentioned it on a few other shows the next few months. That was three/four years ago and nothing was ever announced.

[@illbeV]

Well, a product of his did literally break the ground: Starship

[@BlazingKhioneus]

The way you describe the tale of 2 cars makes me think of how the original gameboy became an uproarious success simply by being cheap and sustainable compared to all other gaming handhelds at the time. Sure, the sega gamegear had color screen and a backlight while the gameboy had an unlit, monochrome screen, but it was cheaper upfront due to this cheaper construction and it only ate 4 AAs in 4 hours of playtime as opposed to the gamegear gobbling up 6 AAs in probably half an hour. Nintendo didnt do anything revolutionary on the face of what they did, but when you place it next to the competition, it was revolutionary.

[@stewartcohen-jones2949]

He’s a self mythologist. Very aware of the clickbait soundbite and how fast the virus of his verbatim spreads. As long as Tesla is a 6 thoughts of separation away in your mind , all is well .

[@adamsawyer1763]

Meanwhile on planet earth we're up a metric fuckton of $$$$ on our TSLA holdings, but you go on enjoying distancing yourself from the company 😂🤣

[@stewartcohen-jones2949]

The only way to escape Elon is go and live on Mars……Oh hold on a minute……. Rats , there’s no escape.

[@adamsawyer1763]

@@stewartcohen-jones2949 it's alright, Elon wants to die on Mars, all you have to do is wait and he'll leave.

[@leonavis]

@@adamsawyer1763 The US is so heavily in debt that it's just a matter of time until the Dollar crashes. What that'll mean one can only guess. We live in a time where there's so much money in circulation that a virtual concept of a coin is worth over $50k, because people have so much money that they start spending it on nothing at all. Especially the US-American stock-market is completely detached from what those companies are actually worth compared internationally. The US-$ is only still kinda stable because it's the most traded currency in the world; but even that doesn't compensate for the gruesome decisions made in the US over the last few decades. Enjoy your $$$$.

[@JABelms]

@@adamsawyer1763 Your TSLA holdings are not the only investments bro. My NVDA stocks will 100% smash yours because I've been investing since the 2000s, you only invest when Musk rats tell you to lol

[@wordsofdv]

23:37 "[Musk] evidently has a deep understanding of Marx's work" That was so subtle and so sharp. It killed me. I'm typing this comment from the morgue. Just too good.

[@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104]

I'm a bit ignorant, do you mind explaining?, I did notice what he said, but couldn't really comprehend what he meant.

[@wordsofdv]

@@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104 Pure sarcasm. "Evidently" is the keyword here. The evidence says Musk has no idea what he's talking about.

[@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104]

@@wordsofdv Thanks a lot.

[@wordsofdv]

@@luisfelipebayardomelgoza4104 You're most welcome!

[@wordsofdv]

@@rrrk-gm1tr it's a joke by Tom. Elon has never expressed any understanding of Marx except that weird line about "he was a capitalist because he wrote a book (Capital) about it."

[@southstar9931]

One of the first people to call out elons BS. Well done sir

[@squireson]

Henry Ford's contribution was in applying mass manufacturing concepts to a much more complex machine than they had been applied to previously. There was a significant amount of work put into rearranging peoples efforts in a way that we take for granted today. Ford was deeply involve in managing this process and updating it. Musk has bragged about not 'really being into' running his companies. The Teslas were stylistically cool before Musk invested in Tesla and kicked out it's founder.

[@DnCtopher]

Muskian Futurism means to prefix existing tech with the word “hyper”, slap on a massive touch screen, and RGB lights. Lots of RGB lights

[@Carewolf]

Still better than the design for any hardware for gamers.

[@xlChronos]

@@Carewolf ironically the RGB trend in gaming is slowly declining. Gamers nowadays usually go for more simplistic looks

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Dont forget deconstructing economy of scale by breaking down everything into pods purely for the aesthetic of futurism despite having everything broken down to individuals murders the supposed futuristic efficiency

[@bigsmoke9228]

We can coup whoever we want -Elon Musk

[@Tom_Nicholas]

Oh god, I had to do a bit of a dive into his Twitter feed for this and it really is something, isn't it?

[@bigsmoke9228]

@@Tom_Nicholas yeah, it's something alright. Something I'd expect to hear from some movie villain or a cartoon caricature of an evil businessman or something.

[@jonc67uk]

Elon gets his ultra right 'christian' government, Morales gets the boot & the people get to die in the streets from lack of response & medical care from the new government. What an asshole. Just for fucking batteries they could have paid for.

[@perryholmes4602]

I’m a fan of Musk and I can tell you he is very sarcastic. Tesla gets its lithium from Australia. Many people who dislike him (take your pick for the reason why) spread misinformation constantly about him. Imagine getting accused of conducting a coup in a foreign country what would your reaction be? I’d be annoyed too personally. People just don’t tell the truth about things anymore or they don’t even look for the truth themselves and unfortunately it’s getting worse.

[@bigsmoke9228]

@@perryholmes4602 right. Guys still a total ghoul no matter how much wholesome big chungus 100 reddit karma shite he says. Just ask the workers that tried to unionize and his covid19 denial so he could get his stock options during said quarter. And if I were him I'd vehemently deny said allegations instead of saying something sarcastic. I mean sorry even if it's not true its garbage PR and optics at least.

[@artificercreator]

Woa! The chapter: The slow cancellation of the future is Amazingly well researched, thank you so much!

[@Shaggytheking]

Almost all world changing products and services were first only available to the super rich, but with time they get more affordable to the general public.

[@azazel166]

I am eager to know what is so "world changing" about a tunnel full of seizure lights.

[@kerwynpk]

​@@azazel166 Can you tell me what he's done that's wrong or at least how you can be so critical of him based on a single business example you see as a failure? Perhaps you've contributed more to society than he and have suggestions? assuming the "world changing" OP was referring to - was your 1 example you see as a failure _is that a good faith assumption on your part?_ Or Maybe you just didn't know that Elon has hands in a couple of different industries and more than one public business endeavor. 😂

[@azazel166]

@@kerwynpk He built a cult of personality, while doing nothing world changing.

[@kerwynpk]

@@azazel166 Okay _"didn't change the world enough for you"_ is your example of his wrongdoings? Do you hold yourself to anywhere near the same standards? or let me guess you're just not rich enough to do it yourself (because of evil rich people standing in your way of being rich and innovating? right?)😂😂

[@chickensoldier9790]

@@kerwynpk he is rich because he comes from a rich family and owns slaves. "His" products were designed by underpayed engineers and made by underpayed workers. He didnt change the world, and even made it worse for many by financing dictatorships. He also sexually assaulted a worker.

[@TalpaTulpa]

This aged very well

[@trippymchippy8586]

Ironically, you look like the lovechild of Gordon Ramsay and Elon Musk. Therefore, subbed! ;)

[@omegajoule]

I will never be able to unsee this now, bless you

[@jasonhornsby8666]

can't unsere that haha perfect

[@teemo1385]

Lol!!! Gordon Musk?

[@chakraborty1989]

He actually fully looks like a Ramsey, a different Ramsey... Ramsey Snow/Bolton 😅

[@satyakisil9711]

I think he looks like Pyrocynical.

[@user-bu1qv6vo6s]

"A future in which young people must fight each other for their very survival" Ah, you mean the job market?

[@Tooncow2]

Comments from 16 year olds with no experience always have great perspectives.

[@user-bu1qv6vo6s]

@@Tooncow2 Knock out argument bro. You must have a very big brain to predict my age.

[@Tooncow2]

@@user-bu1qv6vo6s my comment was as much an arguement as yours, clearly I'm not making an argument just a statement on young people in general who have no experience but talk like their parents aren't making them macaroni in a couple hours.

[@user-bu1qv6vo6s]

@@Tooncow2 And would you argue that the job market is not a nightmare for those trying to enter it? Or are you one of those very kids with no experience, just at an older age living off a trust fund or playing boss in daddy's company.

[@aethionr4478]

@@Tooncow2 Not really. You're not funny.

[@rustyshackleford735]

This video illustrates why solarpunk is useful as a means of art, media and aspiration.