The Fall of Accelerator | TDS

[@AlfieHarun]

accelerator was the first gem tower i had. i miss how good it was

[@Seashell_astheycallme]

It was my first, and the only available gem tower during the time i got it

[@ETACANTCOOK]

@@Seashell_astheycallme same

[@cirkit-one]

@@Seashell_astheycallme same 😔

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

I dont since 2020-2022 Meta was awful

[@GoatedXaviersobased]

@@Seashell_astheycallme same i got it in 2021

[@Just_Jai6719]

bread

[@steviewonderboiii]

For balance of the towers

[@TargetTorch]

@@steviewonderboiii It was a rhetorical question

[@Polaraisc]

"B-BuT iTS nOt LiKe anyOnE aRe gOiNG tO uSE iT anYwAYs🥺🥺🥺"

[@steviewonderboiii]

@ 😀

[@lanzrivera6203]

@@TargetTorch and he answered with a rhetorical answer

[@DuckstewW]

My buff idea for accel is basically the same as how Machinery from Doomspire Defense works, basically: if accelerator is charged up and gets stunned, whenever the stun is over he instantly continues from where he left off without having to charge up, this wont reset his overcharge to keep it somewhat balanced and so he cant fire forever

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

That would be interresting honestly.

[@MinosPrimeRealThewhen]

That sounds pretty balanced

[@druzy393]

That’s a good solution

[@pattifry7742]

accel is fine the way it is, its supposed to be a stepping stone for engi, gold mini and gatling gun. it doesnt need any buff/nerf

[@DuckstewW]

@pattifry7742 it's just an idea i had if it were to get a buff, while i do think it needs a buff im not gonna criticize you for having an opinion

[@piotrm5635]

Reworked Pursuit in the backround about make accelerator fall behind even more:

[@Eva_the_goofy]

If it gets the same glowup as ace did then yeah💀

[@hat5564]

​​@@Eva_the_goofylet's hope it doesn't suffer the same fate as ace, actually. Good for 1 month then nerfed to be mid at levels 3+

[@AliDoesntWork]

@@hat5564 ace is still great at later levels idk wym

[@KoolMeepity]

@@hat5564”permanent hidden detection”

[@minhquoc3187]

@@hat5564 ace is still good you just have skill issue ngl

[@Seashell_astheycallme]

I remember frost invasion-solar eclipse era where the meta was accel, dj, commander, farm, and gladiator or golden scout

[@Coolest_person12134]

Now its farm dj commender brawler enginnieer/gatling

[@Seashell_astheycallme]

Brawler is still relevant? I thought after it's hidden detection got removed people stopped using it..

[@Coolest_person12134]

@@Seashell_astheycallme ı mean it lacks hd but by wave 10/13 ı can get gatling or engineer since 2 lvl 2 is pretty good for ewrly games

[@sadafmahmood]

@@Seashell_astheycallme after hd removed it has become the meta used for a bunch of strats and AN INSANE DPS TOWER FOR EVENTS , HC , FALLEN, SPEEDRUNNING ETC

[@Seashell_astheycallme]

Still sticking with golden cowboy tho

[@CastielReynon]

miss the days where i used the ace and mili base strat for accel... and when it was worth it

[@Ayushman98Cat]

you are not the only one.

[@Ishmaelsquid]

missed the days where i used mili base glitch for it

[@encrypted2558]

​@@Ishmaelsquidi remember i got far into hardcore because of that glitch but i disconected mid match

[@TheClassFatman]

the death grind...

[@Watercup1240]

Hell no, that strat was terrible. I got ptsd from that strat

[@catmeows1564]

"perfectly balanced gatling gunner"

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

Gatling gun is a perfectly balanced Tower with no exploits whatsoever.

[@k1rby907]

plus you gotta be lvl 175

[@Anthonyny]

I like how he considers the most broken tower "balanced"

[@tipeanimates837]

​@@Anthonynyperfectly balanced is a meme and also it's something called sarcasm

[@Anthonyny]

​@@tipeanimates837I also said it sarcastically

[@techgamer3d]

Also, i think this is the probable worst feature of accel, is that accel only locks on to 1 enemy and only moves on to another either when that enemy dies or it goes on overcharge. Hidden wave abuses this by sending huge loads of enemies that only turret, engineer, golden minigunner (some might disagree but it has insane dps, just bad range), gatling can deal with. I still remember prime accel being an absolute beast in dps even without the help of other supports.

[@Pranav-qc3nc]

agreed also me personally and im guessing alot of people branched out from only depending upon accel to using other towers like turret or engi or g mini

[@BalancedGames]

Honestly that’s the only thing that holds accel back

[@duviribomber]

so just bc it isnt good at hidden wave or hardcore doesnt mean its shit in most modes

[@NormalDude543]

True, molten corpses in the revamped molten mode bait the accels into wasting dmg on the corpses until the corpse is destroyed / the accel hits overcharge, this is a huge flaw in accel as it can let other enemies, especially speedy ones by without other towers.

[@eliburke2779]

Coming back to tds as a guy who remember it as the game that never got updates it feels crazy to see how much towers like gladiator and accelerator has fallen off

[@_RTG_]

Maybe they can give accelerator back his drones , they can either be for extra dps , or be support that whenever accelerator gets stunned , they shoot for him

[@okgoose3305]

that would just be engineer 2.0, bad idea

[@4dstrawberry-l9z42f]

lag

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

​​​@@4dstrawberry-l9z42fIndeed. Heres an idea. Massively increase its DPS, but reduce its Overcharge as well.

[@floppaforever-nv5iq]

Accel’s DPS should be nerfed, but the DPS added by the drones will make it relatively the same. If stunned, the drones will still attack, at the cost of less damage during accel’s stun time. If they are stunned AGAIN, then the drones will stop attacking. However, accelerators stun time will not reset. There we go!

[@iamyourmaster2565]

He should get more dps. Simply because he should fill up his overcharge faster so the stun wont be so bad.

[@hamreeshba7412]

everything went downhill for accel after they changed its beam animation

[@frostytheorymaster4175]

OMG ONG

[@borbboombox]

I keep on seeing this comment Why do people think the beam change is bad?

[@hamreeshba7412]

@@borbboombox bro like, it was wayy more smoother and felt powerful before, or at least thts wht i feel

[@pattifry7742]

no it went downhill when engi got buffed, then golden mini got rebalanced and when gatling got added

[@MMeltingButter]

if yall hate the beam so much then just get disco

[@OldWarMachineGayming]

Accelerator has Fallen, Billions Must Now Use Engineer

[@İzmir_city_state_republic]

İ use g minigunner, scout, dj, farm, mortar

[@manofuranium]

WHAT A COINCIDENCE THAT NO ONE BRINGS UP THE SENTRIES NOT BEING BUFFED, GMINI BEING STUNLOCKED ALMOST ALL THE TIME, AND RANGER- nah ranger's fine ig

[@assadguy]

What a coincidence that accelerator not only has the same weakness as golden mini, but also has the weakness of having to be locked on to a single enemy until it dies.

[@Helloing69]

​@@assadguythat was patched a long time ago.

[@mapleapple2838]

​@@assadguyset some of it to weakest problem solve

[@PerishStupid]

Yeah but the sentries will still attack if the Engineer gets stunned and is still stronger with buff and more cost efficient, and Golden Minigunner is more cost efficient than Accel, plus with 50% COA and 20% DJ buff GMini deals an average 432DPS and Acell deals 450. Add Merc bad and GMini is stronger. The only thing Accel has going for it is slightly more range, good at shredding boss when it spawns, and cheap effective hidden detection.

[@okgoose3305]

the sentries not being buffed is a good thing actually cuz you dont need to bring commander in solo fallen

[@lanzrivera6203]

Why is bro targeting My glorious king. Golden Minigunner?

[@ProfessionalNoLifer]

yeah gmini is just a better accel imo

[@lanzrivera6203]

@@ProfessionalNoLifer i mean 15 g mini has more dps than 8 accel. But accel is overall better in trio and squad (lets say you have 1 dj,8 farms,1pyro,and 3 commander in a squad match then accel would be better). Like he said in the video, Gmini is better in solo and duo due to it having higher placement limit

[@VVooshbait]

Gmini gets stun abused even more than accel, paired with the fact it has 4 less range

[@UnrandomXD29]

​@@VVooshbaitno overcharge is not overcharge

[@Exzequiel1203]

Gmini has way more dps but gets stun abused more than accel does because of low range

[@AsherBailey-59]

The king of TDS thumbnails posts yet again!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@aminm282]

This tower is like the signature hardcore tower for TDS but yet still it struggles on reworked Fallen. You can't solo Fallen anymore with only Accel, farm, gold scout, dj like the old times. They should actually give this tower the insane buff which it deserves for being the number 1 to go tower for any event or gamemode of the last 4 years despite it recent buff.

[@level1318]

You're mad it's not braindead anymore lmao.

[@krakersowyswir2122]

Accelerator needed to get that nerf because engineer which costed more was much worse for BIGGER price. The only thing they can do now to accelerator is to make enemies stop abuse stun ability.

[@hiddengemzstudios]

I think they should add back the drones it had In early development but they change it to be an ability like the ice turret is with elementalist. The drone would be stun immune, and deal damage if accelerator is stunned. That way accel would be able to deal decent damage even if it’s stunned via its drone.

[@oofermaniacc]

bruh i’m currently grinding for this specific tower rn, thank you for informing me this

[@ΧριστακηςΧριστοδούλου-φ8ρ]

Just get it and bring medic with you and you good

[@theunknown479]

It's still really good. It's cost efficiency isn't as horrid as Turret, it has high range, and it has 8 placement limit.

[@volt6502]

@@theunknown479 Turret has lower placement limit which makes it more compatible with other dps towers+ has higher range so it isnt as affected with stuns also 8 max accels cost more than 3 max turrets, Brawler and Engi are the better options for gem towers and Ranger overall is better option from coin towers. I am not saying turret is better but it can be better in some situations especially multi player

[@IAmPixelatedAlrealdy]

its still a decent tower, still recomended as your first gem tower! :D

[@sajumesjamzees3358]

i only got accel for the battlepass skin

[@remaros-zk4zi]

"The accelerator does not need to charge up its beam when stunned" It's prob the only buff he needs.

[@Snug_bug08]

Am I the only one who finds mercenary base as a relatively meta dps unit, if you use it’s ability right it can deal like 50k total damage on a shorter map, and like 100k on a longer one Edit: it can also tank stomps

[@JoaoPedroCastro-qt9lq]

You aren't alone

[@sickothem5869]

I don’t even use merc base. I just don’t find how it could be viable in my loadout

[@LALALALALALALALALA_bivch]

@@sickothem5869it can ignore explosive resistance

[@KosaK-editz]

TDS has to listen to this.

[@Tdsislife]

Yeah

[@Imjusta_person2]

@Kosak-editz How do you have 400k subs with content like that💀🙏

[@KosaK-editz]

@@Imjusta_person2 I'm telling you, but I now hate what made in my channel.

[@lobanoubm4234.]

Delete videos or unlist them? ​@@KosaK-editz

[@carllaurencecaguiron629]

Yall Forgot The Fact Thats Theres Nimble Which Doubles The Speed Of Enemy. The Enemy Will Go Pass Through Accel Since Its Still Recharging.

[@RhezGaming]

accelerator is like the one vietnam veteran of the dps towers, he was the first and he saw everything

[@Builevinh2022]

now that we know why accel is kinda bad at the current time, here is my bad idea to fix it energy shield. at level 4 it will have a energy shield that can block stun and regenerate every 20 second and at level 5 the shield can block 3 stun and only regenerate when all 3 block broke (or no stun for 20 second)

[@muhammadzarafateh1911]

only block one stun cuz if this happens accel would be more money costing :(

[@TheLethal]

give medic an ability for towers to be stun immune for a certain amount of time boom, accelerator and gmini buffed

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

Better idea. Nerf all Stunners, but also remove stun immunity from all towers, except medic and farm.

[@simplythatclown]

My idea is to have a stun cooldown to all enemies that stun kinda like how brawler can't constantly push enemies back

[@_Pardo_]

Honestly, just give accelerator 25 or 27.5 range at max lvl so it is less vulnerable to stuns

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

What are you smoking? That is one of the worst balance suggestions ive ever seen. Giving a DPS Towers massive Range breaks the game.

[@_Pardo_]

@@Hyperlaser_Merc massive? You're the one smoking if you think 2.5 or 5 range buff can break the tower (27.5 is an exaggeration) It's basically to pair turrets range(27), one example of long range compensated with stun vulnerability

[@4dstrawberry-l9z42f]

@@_Pardo_ accel does NOT need a buff. The DPS towers as a whole just need to be nerfed so accel doesn't need a buff to get caught up in the META. Here's an example. The devs ultra buff military base to the point where it's used in 80% of loadouts, but they're too afraid to nerf it so they buff ranger to have more damage so it's not outclassed. Then they buff engi for a similar reason, then gatling gun falls behind and they need to buff gatling gun. But then the military base falls behind and they need to buff that again. Instead, they could just nerf the ultra-buffed mili base to stop this cycle. Me and hyperlaser_merc discussed this somewhere else iirc.

[@Cat0987-real]

​@@Hyperlaser_Merc"giving massive range to a tower breaks the game" Turret is crying in the corner

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

​@@Cat0987-realTurret is balanced around it, while accel is balanced around high bursts of DPS.

[@creepermods4641]

Great edit! I love your vids dude!

[@soniaferreira21]

I literally used accel more than engi but now i learned to use the towers that everyone thinks that sucks but have a great potential and are actually goid like military base, electroshocker, rocketeer and much more. Becoming more hugh level made me understood why thenpros use such a different loadout than i originaly expected

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

I have most towers, but I prefer using Necromancer because its so fun.

[@Cervally]

Quick fix: Add an ability My idea is either -Recharge (Fully resets overcharge, unlocked at lvl 4, CD 45 seconds) -Void Laser (Charge for 2 seconds, and release a massive laser that lasts for 2 seconds, dealing 250 DPS. Unlocked at lvl 5, CD 30 seconds)

[@MiniatureGamingX]

Gatling gunner meta, but this might change in 2025 with a new better tower

[@cheeseburger0381]

if tds powercreep gatling gun, its over

[@enkyla]

​@@cheeseburger0381 this aged well

[@Jan12Philip]

Man, I wish they added somthing the accel can spawn, like a drone ;).

[@pattifry7742]

accel is fine the way it is, its supposed to be a stepping stone for engi, gold mini and gatling gun. it doesnt need any buff/nerf

[@Jan12Philip]

@@pattifry7742 true, but still, spawning a drone would be pretty nice and helpful.

[@cheeseburger0381]

people are saying to buff accel but for 2500 gems, its honestly a really good tower for its price. and also gems are the most abundant it has ever been, the devs are giving them out like hotcakes with the weeklies and with how easy hardcore is. a top 5 tower in my heart.

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

The issues is stun abuse and stun immunity.

[@pattifry7742]

brawler costs half as much and performs way better

[@aqeelmuhaimeen]

6:45 not really for me. Its still a pretty decent tower but like u said, its fallen off the meta. I only use it to solo molten but for fallen not really. Plus molten is getting reworked idk if its gonna be bad for accel. I hope they buff the stun part a bit

[@FinnMertens017]

And that's why there's something called "strategy"

[@nicgamez]

We need a Sledger fall off now 4:55 Did Furina really found another job?🗿

[@johna6169]

Sledger before: Best tower for stalling without bugs hands down. Not that many stunners until the boss arrives Sledger now: Poor excuse for a stall tower, dps is not worth its cost, placement limit kills its use, and stun enemies kill the tower. Edit: Sledger after buff: Good stalling, good splash, lowered cost(not as low as old sledger tho) and HUGE dps potential.

[@frostytheorymaster4175]

@@johna6169 hey at least its still got some usage in pw2

[@Voideity]

​@@frostytheorymaster4175 No

[@Voideity]

Ill tell you this as a guy who owns sledger from fi-2021, the past sledger was far more way better than the current sledger now, current sledger stalls for only 1 sec making it almost impossible to double hit due to his atk cooldown, and current sledger is outclassed by many such as jester, fb, freezer, etc.

[@nicgamez]

@@Voideity remember the big long ice when sledgy freezes a hidden boss?

[@TheDJskeleton-ek7oq]

I personally use accelerator but I tend to place it away from the path so it’s less affected by smaller stuns, dj also helps since it gives accelerator more range so it can more space it can be away from the path

[@spyrolancer]

I disagree about accel being better than golden mini, accels has to always take breaks and pause then rev up a lot longer than minis do, and minis are a continuous stream of dps and they don't stop till there is nothing left to shoot at, I've always had a much better experience with gold mini over accel

[@Tod-094]

The accel rev up time is kinda low at lv 4-5 and normal you will have something to defend early game so you can eventually afford an accel of that level while accel also has a far better range, dps and overall it's more viable than GAMBLING for g mini The only thing I give to g mini it's the ability to be spammeable

[@thomasabela5845]

@@Tod-094 12 placement limit looking at you rn

[@TechTannock]

accelerator is still used a lot to this day even the top players uses accel.

[@JohnMark-ek9re]

"There was once a carrier that carried out the entire game giving them a win, but one day, that one" nerf" and "game change" ruined it, the carrier was put on its grave, while getting alot of nerf to put it in the deep abyss, making it the worst and not useful, they only use it for its unique appearance and the laser gun, and only buy it for those who like its uniqueness."

[@relatableguy7235]

imagine they make an fallen animation of accelerator where he goes like: "Me? A hero? That was a long time ago, im not him anymore."

[@neilmonaghan7382]

Shocking

[@neilmonaghan7382]

oh I'm first

[@AntonioSiebu]

The accelerator has been getting small nerfs over time while other late game dps towers like the turrent have been getting buffed constantly. They most likely did this to make loadouts more different and not constantly using the same towers

[@Elitedestructfulnoob]

Accel didn’t get nerfed hard idk where you got that from he just got more pricy to max your exaggeration the nerf for views it seems pretty stupid he just got a buff and then he gonna say “accle got the BIGGEST buff in the history of tds.” That’s how you sound sometime.

[@4dstrawberry-l9z42f]

I've seen a lot of people argue that the current META in TDS is the worst in the game's history. While I do agree that the balancing is... questionable, it's much better than accelerator only META. There should be NO tower in the history of the entire game that effectively shreds most bosses, which is why gatling and ranger need a substantial nerf. Another thing I'd like to address, baiting enemies is NOT strategic. It's just placing towers randomly. This made stunning just an absolute joke overall. Now they're smarter, as you said, and that's arguably a lot more strategic. The only problem is that there are too many stun immune towers. Brawler should have stun resistance like the Warden, and ranger should have ground-based stun immunity, not stun immunity to everything. There are a lot more ideas that I have, but I think TDS gets the point that having stun immunity towers makes medic useless, which they countered with night 3 of this event (good job devs). Accelerator is also really good now. It's no longer outclassed, being useful for trio and quad runs with the good CE. It is literally META for night 3 on both easy and hard mode, but that doesn't count because it's limited time only. Now, it's a great DPS option to bring overall. No tower should be accelerator in 2020-2022, just as no tower should be like gatling and ranger in its current state. It does not need another nerf, but it could use a rebalance overall. Maybe something that reduces its placement limit? Hot take, TDS should nerf a lot of late game towers. An overall DPS nerf to everything would fix this, and appeal to the content-hungry level 300s that want everything to be a challenge. Yes, they could just buff the enemies, but it wouldn't make a noticeable difference unless you gave fallen squire 800 HP, fallen giant 7k HP, fallen shield with 20k HP, fallen honor guard with 125k HP and fallen king with 300k hp. The easiest way to fix the powercreep and balancing in TDS is just to nerf the DPS of *LATE GAME* towers (meaning towers that are good in late game) and find a way to make early-mid game towers not as good in the late, and vice versa. That and... ... not being so generous by handing out detections left and right in tower rebalances. Hidden enemies aren't a threat, flying enemies are only annoying due to their speed (almost every META tower has flying detection) and there are only 3 lead enemies in TDS (molten rework pls save us). Why is this bad? Well it makes every enemy that has one of these detections basically a nonexistent threat. Sure, you have fallen seraphs in fallen, but those are only annoying when buffed by fallen jesters, which to be fair make everything annoying. Sure, you have the 3 lead enemies in HC, but for some reason every tower has lead detection so its not a problem. Fallen summoner is the ONLY one that doesn't follow this rule, by being a high HP tank summoner and a stealth enemy at half HP. Another hot take, he should honestly be a ghost (meaning units can't collide with them), which is much more fitting for somebody who does magic, and wouldn't make too much of a difference anyway. Another fix is they could add another detection, and give less OP towers such as freezer, warden, mortar and pyro (yes they're still useful but not META, and I'm talking about normal pyro btw) those detections and only those towers the detections to make them really good. They could also combine detections, such as lead and flying (that's so stupid though). What about hidden and flying? Or this hypothetical new detection + lead? Or the new detection + hidden? With at least 4 detections, there are a lot of possibilities. dont read allat

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

You yap too much, good lord

[@guest7124]

​@leonardotrujillo8661 he said at the bottom to not read allat

[@guest7124]

Btw I agree with u strawberry with a new 4th detection for pyro and freezer making towers like them more usefull

[@avebrake]

Tbh I agree with balancing being janky. Like why does Gatling have 1.5 pierce with full map range who thought this was an good idea? I don't really like how towers that were good like accels and pursuit gets so outclassed when they already were really strong. It just doesn't feel right.

[@Monitsz]

absolute cinema

[@HellYeahTheBaconhasReturned]

"ACCELERATOR SHALL FALL INTO THE WORSE TOWER IN THE GAME!!" Below, said secretly in his office.

[@NooksYT]

i know how tot fix it , just give it +.5 damage on max level

[@YavierOrtiz-5]

He's not talking about damage dude

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

​@@YavierOrtiz-5its a joke dofus

[@YavierOrtiz-5]

@@leonardotrujillo8661 how would you know hug

[@BallerD.Younus]

the drone thing (removed cuz it was laggy) added to the accelerator could possibly make it as good as the current "best" DPS towers

[@pattifry7742]

why do you want the accel meta back it was so lame

[@JustANoNam3]

6:21 Just bring back the drone bro

[@paperiscool5839]

What did the drones do

[@coldie45]

​@@paperiscool5839extra damage and I'm guessing they were stun immune like the sentries

[@paperiscool5839]

Thanks

[@aqeelsyahidan1833]

Red_Toppat, this tower is the key reason why I won the haz3mn Collab. Other runs without this tower fails. But when I brought accelerator, I won. I think this tower is good in terms of a few enemies that their total hp is less than accelerator's overcharge metre. Here's an idea for a buff. Remove crook boss's flying detection.

[@lukazfox_lol]

solution give accel stun immunity at max level and call it a day

[@Its_Mika6677]

Fr that's what i thought he had that cool suit yet no stun immune...

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

THAT IS THE WORST IDEA!!! It will make Accel OP

[@Its_Mika6677]

@@Hyperlaser_Merc he deserves it tho because it took so long to grind for him

[@solareeklipse]

​@@Its_Mika6677Engineer:

[@Yxda04]

it's literally same thing as saying make engineer turrets be able to get support from commander and edj which ruins the balance of the game

[@Exzequiel1203]

They should reduce the amount of time accel is stunned before it starts attacking again (like reducing it to 3s or 2s)

[@godman0649]

Deserved, ruin commando, a unique and fun tower, to replace with a piss beam. Completely deserved. I do have accel, but it took forever just to add more grind.

[@smilingjetstream]

Imagine saying that Accelerator ruined commando lmao. You Think you're og? Even Thought If you're og or not,Your brain is still dumb. Do you exactly know how much dps did rockeeter had when Commando was nerfed to 50 dps???

[@Monitsz]

what accelerator even do to the commando 😭

[@Nobody-sp5wx]

Accel didn’t do shit to commando and it wouldn’t be balanced if one of the best towers in the game was an event tower barely anyone has

[@Hammerlikestobefunky]

Didn't commando fall off long before accel came?

[@Nobody-sp5wx]

@@Hammerlikestobefunky not rlly it was around the same time

[@jlongloft7693]

I generally think people have been using accelerator less due to just flying detection, there is fly enemys in fallen, the Halloween event, and the Christmas, which makes it so people have to use other tower to counter these threats. That my take on why accelerator has fallen.

[@Void_Reaver]

"Accel barely got nerfed" The 2022 violent night update:

[@Jard-i2j]

tbh i almost forgor accel existed i havent used it in so long

[@someguynotnamednub]

it’s still good, just bring dj and place it far enough from the front so that it can attack the stun spammers while being out of range of said stun spam, good maps exist for a reason

[@hakprodz]

while accelerator should get a buff, we should keep in mind the price it has on the store. 2500 vs 4500 gems, of course engineer should still have place to not get shadowed by accelerator again being the absolute best dps. if that happens then make it more expensive

[@16cyborg]

I used to accel as an "early game" dps, and at the time after the fall off and pre buffed golden crook there was nothing better to use so I just kept using it until golden crook uhh got buffed. The reason I used accel was because it felt like the only dps tower that was good on Level 0 and had early level HD. (lvl 1)

[@MBK-m4j]

g mini is easily the best dps tower, 15 of them gives the maximum amount of dps with proper medic and commander placement

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

The issue is stuns, price and range. Thats what makes it balanced.

[@Egg_Salted]

My buff idea is to make accelerator pre-charge basically meaning to charge up before the enemy has entered the range.But if that isnt possible then i belive the best thing to do is to lower the rev up and overcharge time during the levels for example level 1-rev up: 2 seconds Overcharge:2.5 seconds level 2-rev up:1.5 seconds Overcharge:2 seconds level 3-rev up:1.4 seconds Overcharge:1.5 seconds Level 4-rev up:1 second Overcharge:1.3 level 5-rev up 0.7 seconds Overcharge:1

[@binheve]

The charge you can't be shorter than 1 seconds. But I I agree

[@Just_A_1080p_Shin]

I'm not sure if accel is the one in need of buffs or if the stun immune troops are just a tad too strong currently, however I think accel SHOULD have the highest DPS in game while keeping his weaknesses to make him unique

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

Turret should have the highest DPS, but I get your point.

[@pattifry7742]

@@Hyperlaser_Merc gatling gun should

[@asherau4880]

here are some of my ideas bring the accelerator drones back starting at lv 3 accelerator will get a drone that locks on the strongest enemy and does not need to be charged to shoot constantly. it will do 2% of the current dps from the accelerator and will stacks the % every few seconds.everytime the enemy targeted by the drone dies will reset its stacks.the drones are also unable to be stunned at lv3 the drone will deals 2%dps of the lv3 accelerator by default and stacks 1%every 5 seconds( 10% maxed) at lv 4 total ammount the drones will increase to 2(doubling the dps of it) and deals 5 % of the lv4 accelerator dps at start, stacks 1% every 4 seconds(10% maxed) at maxed accelerator itself will have a dps decrease compare to now and the drones will now deals 10% of the maxed accelerator's dps and will stacks more(2% every 4 seconds and stops stacking when it reaches 20%) for the accelerator itself should be cheaper to place and to upgrade at earlier levels(0-2) starting at lv 3 the accelerator will have less dps then the current one and will be more expensive so before anyone is saying this is too op uhhh no its not considering the wave structures now crap tons of enemies are spawning in the same wave and the drone will always return it its starting dps after killing one enemy by the time the drone reached its highest dps its prob reseted again

[@boredoftrends22]

it needs to have a 15 second recharge ability that allows its armor to block stuns and stun immune during recharge

[@Seprl0]

i think what they can do is to make it when it get stuns while shooting instead of getting stunned it drains the charge faster that would be cool. and maybe tweaks for the cap can work too. or they can remove the cap and make it like it used to be but it will drain the duration

[@AizenLeviFamorca]

Accelerator is added to take down some crowds of enemys and the reason why engineer exist now is to help out accelerator's single target when all of the enemies are gone exept the boss (idk i made it up)

[@julietschwab5876]

How to fix accel: give him drones that start firing if he gets stunned, with half his damage and overcharge. If they run out of overcharge before the stun ends, they crash into the targeted enemy and explode instead of recharging.

[@davidkim2287]

What they should do: Make accel stun immune, but every time it gets stunned, it has to charge again. It wont be a perfect fix, and they might have to tweak charging times on max level, but it would def help the accel in some way.

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

3:12 I hate stun immunity as an idea, since it removes any challenge from stuns. Remove it from all Towers but Medic and Farm.

[@Nivdiot]

Forcing medic usage is kinda dumb but I see your vision

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

​@@NivdiotI would nerf stuns a lot and give certain towers stun resistence. I would also rework Medic in a way that makes the changes reasonable.

[@Man_fard772]

Accel needs some sort of stun resistance to be good. Turret doesnt suffer nearly as much because of its crazy range and 0 charge up

[@pattifry7742]

accel is fine the way it is, its supposed to be a stepping stone for engi, gold mini and gatling gun. it doesnt need any buff/nerf

[@Man_fard772]

@ fair take, but ranger is still better than accel cuz of the stun immunity. and turret is still almost as good as accel even after the buff. i think a small dps buff at max is need

[@das6429]

To buff it add back the drones and make them stun immune and make the accel charge ahead of time just like the drones add more range and dmg to the accel so it’s like engi where it has units and the base tower can be stunned

[@Hak1ra]

It's so sad to see the first hardcore tower and the former 1 DPS get overthrown.

[@pattifry7742]

sad but for the better

[@whatnotfound378]

When i got the accel by using the ace pilot and military base strat, that timewas the happiest moment i have ever had.

[@rodrigog4698]

In my opinion, accelerator has fallen in the consumibles update, because the damage and fire rate buffs make that his recharge mechanic makes that he is more time recharching than dealing damage.

[@Plague9]

Flags still don't use in hardcore

[@justrandomguy8559]

I think you're more complaining about the new mechanic in accelerator rework update. Before, it used to shoot for a certain amount of time, but after that update, it has a damage threshold that it can't pass, so if accelerator gets a lot of outside buffs, it spends half of the time recharging because of how quickly he deals damage.

[@pattifry7742]

i think the downfall started when engineer got buffed significantly, gold mini and turret got rebalanced, gatling got added and maybe even when merc got added

[@Trevenant4240]

Even if their ai became a lil smarter You can still bait them with rangers (as long as they are next to the track)

[@Ace-cf2ts]

Short answer: The Accelerator got powercrept, more DPS towers meant more competition and with the overtime buffs for the other towers, the Accelerator fell off because of powercreep.

[@mega7979]

personally like it if he got a "shield" at max level, which makes you immune to 2 hits of stun before breaking. (the shield would come back after 15 seconds)

[@Ace-cf2ts]

Thats... Broken tbh, Accel is fine as its supposed to be a stepping stone to Golden Mini (gatling is also a stepping stone if it wasnt for lvl requirement) and Engineer

[@Shishi_Nomi]

1 of 2 things, 1. Make it so accel can't be affected by stun while charging up/give it stun avoidance were it has less of a chance to be stunned 2 (kinda a joke) make it stun amune, it has a suit of armor after all.

[@MrPyroGamingThe1st]

fun have: XR500 is a turret skin that gets stunned even though the tower itself can't.

[@Plague-h2t]

I don’t remember the Turret being stun immune. I remember using it in sandbox mode and all of the stun enemies stunned turret. Did it have stun immunity at some point??? (I’m asking if it was always immune to stuns, maybe it got nerfed)

[@MrPyroGamingThe1st]

@B-z8q It did at one point, but the devs probably removed it for some reason.

[@MrPyroGamingThe1st]

@B-z8q Nevermind i looked into the wiki and it has debuff immunity but not stun immunity, mb.

[@Plague-h2t]

@@MrPyroGamingThe1st You mean the turret or the skin? Did the turret have a debuff immunity or did the skin give it immunity? Or did it remove its immunity? (Just Asking for clarification, please be understandable$

[@MrPyroGamingThe1st]

@B-z8q turret has a debuff immunity, not the skin

[@nattapaphatrattanaviriyach927]

This and a bit of next year, will be the last moments of using Accelerator for me. My setup will be G cowboy for income and early defense, Pursuit for late game and flying detection, Engineer for main dps, DJ booth for buffs and either Merc base or Ranger for second DPS. But until I got Engineer and G cowboy which is the only 2 towers I needed, Accelerator will have to be an alternate resource.

[@doah_roblox]

I will never forget ACCELERATOR'S legacy he is one of the best, before engineer, gatling gun, g mini, and ranger took over..

[@bluenightrblx]

14.1k sub.. truly the end of an era

[@hollyludgate5485]

I think they should add a tower like the brawler that gives a a stun immunity buff, this wouldn’t be op because I think the placement limit should be 4 and the range for the stun immunity would be short.

[@bruddaincognitomode3513]

Why not fix it with a medic rework? Medic could have a ability that makes towers on its range stun immune for a limited time like mechanic from tower blitz, a passive ability that reduces how long a tower is stun, and maybe make the normal stun cleanse cheaper, like lvl 2 or something, or make medic a reliable early defense so the “why not bring another dps tower” option is less considered. After all accelerator isnt the only tower with the issue, and the issue will definitely get worse.

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

Medic needs a complete overhaul.

[@ParsinGM17]

Indirect buff.

[@ItsRaivenPlayz]

conclusion: blame the devs for abusing stun enemies every year

[@spheryc1648]

They should add an explosion every time accel finishes his ammo, maybe around 400 dmg max lvl to make it more reliable for aoe and makes up for the reloading time

[@amazingcris3390]

It takes so long to grind for this I still try every once and a while and turns out it ain’t even worth it anymore ;-;

[@kokichilde6440]

Accel was my pookie bear for years. Now i can't even remember when i used it..

[@Ren-x2g]

Bro went from" the strongest dps tower of today" to "the strongest dps tower in history"

[@muranetheproto4519]

imo accelerators should simply have a little animation when they get stunned, then come out of it attacking relatively fast again with the same charge they had when they get stunned. example being they get hit by the stun and stumble backward a bit, shake then smack their gun and get back to shooting. or if it's something like ice witch or dank accel, they shake and blow on their hands before shooting out lightning again.

[@Xhian1kk3gaming]

i have an idea on how to buff accelerator. since a part of a problem in accelerator is the overheating meter they should change it into a buff by shooting a fireball if it overheats so that it releases the heat of his plasma gun. the damage depends on the capacity of his overheating meter for example, if accelerator overheats after 100 bullets fired it would shoot a fireball that deals 100 dmg. since max lvl accels overheating meter capacity is 4400 it will shoot a 4400 dmg fireball. this is just what i think i would do so that accel can be the top 1 dps tower again

[@supremeeggx]

I honestly think its still pretty good, but since it is a gem tower, requiring you to be level 50+ and having somewhat of a grind to get, it should be somewhat better. I think the best way of balancing it is with the stun. Maybe when it gets un-stunned it doesn't have to charge up again and just continues?

[@toxicated_cat5016]

to be honest. they should add a tower thats like medic but gives stun immune to towers permanently in their range, that way it could save towers that deal good dps (like accel, golden mini, etc) and potentially boost their chances to being in the meta again?

[@lozkfy5373]

That would be way to op

[@PurpPumpkin]

I honestly just engi more because of the sentrys and her amazing dps and her also being a reliable early game tower choice unlike accelerator because.. you can't place him in the early game and even if you did it'd require excessive farming for it too work but engi can be placed wave 2 of regular gamemodes if you skip the waves and on hardcore close to before the hiddens show up which is quite good if you ask me that, the only thing that makes engi fall off in the early upgrades is her turrets having terrible dps which means in certain situations you have to go for a level 5 engi first before getting more down just to have some decent range, map coverage and dps which makes engi a somewhat confusing tower for certain players.

[@sirtangerine1465]

I think a good way to somewhat buff the Tower without making it op is to reduce the amount of time it gets stunned. Ex: if it gets stunned for a whole second, make it get reduced stun time with each upgrade up to a maximum of 60%

[@pattifry7742]

accel is fine the way it is, its supposed to be a stepping stone for engi, gold mini and gatling gun. it doesnt need any buff/nerf. the accel meta era was lame and boring af

[@Idc-yx9tx]

@@pattifry7742 then whats the point of getting accel if you could spend a little more time getting engi

[@Saul_Goodman681]

Accel getting the swarmer treatment 💀

[@APieceOfKale4]

boom give it those lil orbs that it had before, they will do more damage for longer if accel keeps attack with it too, but it has a decent base dps and amount of charge available.

[@15YourLocalPerson]

I’d personally give it IFrames for the whole charge up and 3 seconds after the charge up so it gets stunned less often.

[@niceuuuuuu]

Under the best conditions, if you were in a party where dj and commander are being used and the accel doesn't get stunned, it's the best dps tower in the game (mathematically proven by zeuseO7, also has better value than engi given the support buff)

[@raphael_tsui]

I mean TDX have a Power Creep problem so doing this was very clever Accelerator can clear out fast enemies like fallen or fallen rushers

[@ABlueishNoob8149]

Make it so when accelerator gets stunned, it keeps the overcharge and instead of charging up after the stun, it immediately begins to fire again