The Fall of the Gnostics

Who were the Gnostics? What secret knowledge did they keep? Why did they die out?
In Christianity’s first centuries, a powerful challenge to leaders of the emerging orthodoxy came from the Gnostics. “Gnostic” means “having knowledge” and these groups believed they had secret, esoteric information about life’s meaning. What were the secrets kept by the Gnostics and why did their sect eventually die out?

[@nosuchthing8]

It's so refreshing, to have this well educated and religious pastor that also doesnt shy away from issues in religion. Mind blown.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What exactly are you calling or do you call "religion", which you define how? You have not the faintest idea? No surprises there .

[@ChrisMusante]

This has been the best lecture of John's I have seen so far. Lots of my commentary on the information presented are in my community section. Thanks Johnny!! Much love brother! 💞

[@aeixo2533]

Video starts at 6:10

[@ellykolleva7903]

thank you 🙏

[@ChrisMusante]

God bless you...! In the comments section 1st and keep rewinding. Thank you! Oh, and there is no problem with evil - it's acually a 'good thing' that there is evil, without it we could not have 'grace' as God's law cannot be 'broken' - thus to skirt immediate judgement... 'grace'. This is the true meaning of saved by grace. In fact, there is no way to keep the law by 'the letter'. Jesus wrote Exodus 21:12 in the sand, Leviticus 24:7, or both. You have to break the law in order to fulfill it, this is what the leaders did not know. Jesus refers to the 'son of man' in the 3rd person for a good reason (see Numbers 23:19).

[@eleandrocustodio]

Thanks for high quality material and kind gentle presentation! I wish this channel could reach a larger audience.

[@robelstable]

What a great macro, overview. Not easy to do, it’s very easy to get lost in the weeds of history and come away more confused. I’ve always been fascinated with the timeline of religions

[@nosuchthing8]

Well said sir!

[@vhawk1951kl]

If you grasp the Ford was right and that history is bunk or no more than a set of beliefs about the past, you would be less exercised by it and les likely to be hypnotised by it. Just bear in mind that*nothing can be known or experienced of the past, so beliefabout is the best you will get, and it is best not to go in for that form of dreaming that is called belief. When dreaming machines(men) "believe"(which they do passively mechanically)they invariably become enslaved or identified or attached. Just as a matter of interest what do you call "religion" and how do you define religion?

[@liquidlogic7426]

Wonderful exposition. I have been watching several of your videos and they are done with elegance and respect.

[@ChrisLively]

This was very informative. I have heard many descriptions of this and I barley understand 1/10th of this concept. I look for explanations from many sources to get an unbiased view. Thanks for uploading this. I wish I could attend! I am in Chattanooga, TN USA.

[@yootuub301]

Maybe taking some oats would help.

[@austinnewby9666]

No way. I'm in Chattanooga. What are the odds ?

[@suckseedorsuckeggs]

Greetings my fellow Truth seeker and Tennessean from Cookeville!

[@catsoffirstave1091]

What about this is unbiased? He doesn't even say what the people he disagrees with actually said. He's a snake oil charms man, you are falling for it.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Look up the meaning and etymology o " explain". Of all dreadful lecturers this pansy has to be the worst

[@Bsliggs]

Explaining Gnosticism is very tricky, long periods and distances with few sources, so thank you for covering it

[@michaeljames3229]

You can also look at the Cathars beliefs and what happened during the French Inquisition. Where gnostics went after that is unclear.

[@ChrisMusante]

If you want to know what Jesus was really teaching and what the leaders 'didn't know'... let me know. Just be prepared to know a sadness you cannot escape. It's a tragedy. And it's still happening. 😔

[@azeezakintideshittu]

All these knowledge of gnosticism came to my head by themselves when I reflect on how there are different religions but which is the truth. This led to my search and finding Gnosticism which aligns with some of the conclusions in my head. I believe that all beliefs emanated from only one and the difference is the interpretation.

[@GnosticMaximus]

Same here, also found my way to Gnosticism. another possible interpretation would be that humans for their own benefit or under the manipulation of the demiurge have tainted different teachings or created them entirely to further progress our ascension even if it means by evil means

[@Aldrik001]

Thank you for your presentation. It shows a link between philosophies/world religions such as Christianity and Hinduism. And it also reminds me of my father, who was an adamant researcher into pre-Christian Gnosticism. He would have loved your video. Now I understand a lot better.

[@vhawk1951kl]

"an adamant researcher" in what sense of " adamant"? - bigoted?how can one be an "an adamant" researcher? perhaps you suppose adamant to have a meaning known only to you

[@vhawk1951kl]

What do you suppose the " link" to be?Apparently you have no idea what adamant means.

[@glenn-younger]

This was a great talk. My HighSchool thesis was on Gnosticism. When the Nag Hammadi library was given to the public, I jumped on it. SO... at 1:40.45, John Hammer brings up that passage where Jesus says he'll make Mary "male" in response to Peter's prejudice. Okay, Jesus usually stands up for women. It's the men-in-power over the Christian ages who have tried to pull women down. So...WHAT IF... that quotation of "making Mary male..." meant that if she learned to not be subservient to her societies' prejudices and take her rightful place as a male naturally believed (or had been TAUGHT to believe) is his birthright, she will enter into the states of Spiritual/Cosmic awareness that the Gnostics espouse? By teaching her this, he can make Mary "male". Then, adding to the thought of "what if", what if males need to learn of their Divine Feminine within in order to enter states of Gnostic enlightenment, which means leaving behind their sense of masculine (of the day) spiritual entitlement to open themselves up to ideas that will "confound" them. Any thoughts on this? And if you feel compelled to be a religious troll about it--like I've seen in some of the comments-- because my "what if" thoughts push your buttons, please bite your tongue. Drink a glass of water. And breathe some thoughts of Unconditional Love before responding, eh? I'm truly curious to hear other people's ideas on how the Gnostics might have been approaching their understanding of Jesus and his teachings. Thank you!

[@agape-33]

I'd agree with you, in ancient esoteric schools, they'd give gender to the duality of states of mind, feminine being the loving caring "be" and masculine being the decisive "do", the idea is to keep them both in balance. So it'd make good sense for Jesus to teach Mary that she's equal to all men by nurturing her masculine side.

[@johnfruechte3265]

W as followers of Jesus are to put off the flesh. Romans 8 King James Version 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. When Jesus says he will make her male; he is only commenting that he will make her strong to overcome. The flesh is so very temporary, but an obstacle to overcome.

[@glenn-younger]

@@johnfruechte3265 Thank you for weighing in on this. I appreciate it!

[@4mick4]

You should read the lost gospels of Jesus. This is much of what was contained in Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea scrolls. There’s books within them that speak about men understanding their masculinity and denying it and women understanding and recognizing their femininity and denying it. This is very much paraphrased and I could be way, which is why everyone should do their own research and read these texts a

[@amazenus]

Thank you so much. So helpful and informative. Very clearly put across and I shall continue to keep seeking

[@stustig9430]

You are what you think; you become what you give your attention to - to discover God you must try to think of Him with all the mistakes that come with learning - excellent lecture - most people love the thought of God; to discover His reality is very comforting and grounding

[@Blalack77]

These are always on a precise topic I've wondered specifically about. Like every single one I've seen..

[@vhawk1951kl]

Never having taken any interest in the aesthetics of leaving prepositions plapping around in the breeze and serving no purpose eh little philistine?

[@Vic-on5ic]

The lector is very knowledgeable and pleasant. Thanks!

[@standandelivery]

I'd like to see Dr. Hammer and Dr. Sledge team up and write books or do podcasts on esoteric subjects. Call it "The Sledge Hammer Approach"

[@standandelivery]

@@splaz333 sure, alphabetical porpoises deserve some love, they can call it that.

[@thomblinn4731]

Nice!

[@patrickoconnell9846]

Pursue peace and happiness, but forget justice. Without understanding truth, there can be no justice. Justice is dependant on truth. That is why the Lord said, do not judge.

[@claudetteearle3052]

Thank you sonmuch for this lecture. Just found you and now a follower.

[@vhawk1951kl]

this chap could drear or bore for the western arm of the galaxy

[@mikecushing7276]

The transition into the Prosperity Gospel is priceless

[@axandio]

I love this guy! He's like the Geddy Lee of Christianity!

[@phillipschulz4492]

been looking for well explained message of gnosticism and its correlation to christianity. This was it. Everyone else seems to get caught up in some kind of word salad that doesn't get recieved well by new people. I do think gnosticism didn't come after proto orthodox but rather at the same time.

[@nosuchthing8]

Yes, they had a video that agreed with your take. Many early forms of Christianity.

[@michaeljames5936]

Thank you. Best lecture on Gnosticism I've seen. Loved how you placed them within a wider historical context.

[@undercoverbrother67]

Fascinating. Thank you for making this accessible. Your contribution to this topic will be appreciated even more as the scientific evidence continues to point towards the fact that the gnostics were right. Keep paying attention to the Phenomenon, folks.

[@Noct343]

We're still here.

[@Noct343]

@Level ARE3RA I would love to

[@vhawk1951kl]

Tee hee

[@David_A._Ream]

Excellent again!!!

[@mistymoor7114]

Knowing yourself does not mean knowing your mind or personality, it means knowing your True Self, your Spirit, the Divine part of yourself. Ye are God's...ie drops of the Divine Ocean. This is not achieved by reason and philosophy but by transcending, going beyond the mind through focussing the attention.

[@juliogadelhaparente]

Love the content

[@mysteriousjungalist]

I'm not a Christian of any stripe anymore, but I have to say Gnosticism actually makes much more sense to me than Orthodox Christianity .

[@solesurvivor7989]

How so?

[@nosuchthing8]

That's why the ancients had to work so hard to dissuade people

[@jonathanmoore5619]

​@@solesurvivor7989👀 to see, 👂to hear. You are not there yet

[@theiceberg8249]

@@solesurvivor7989bc orthodoxy is rooted in fear shame bigotry and close mindedness Gnosticism is abt knowledge

[@productamadeus8745]

And that’s the narrative of the book. Some will look at everything in it and consider it foolish and superstitious. Then the judgement. It makes no sense to act like the apostles didn’t actually see miracles and then witness Jesus rise from the dead.

[@montelinm]

I find it very fascinating though that quantum physics is proving Exactly what the gnostics we’re talking about thousands of years ago. Also if you read Luke 17 verse 21 It says that people were looking high and low for heaven but the messiah says the kingdom of God is within us. Well that’s a pretty clear indication that if the kingdom of God is within us and if God lives in that kingdom that Jesus said is within us then that means God is a part of us and we are a part of Him. This verse was proven by quantum physics that has proved that consciousness is the only true reality. It proved that light Around us behaves a certain way when being viewed by a conscious being but acts completely different when it is not being observed by a conscious being. To add to why I believe the Gnostics knew more than we’re being told is because Jesus contradicts the God of the Old Testament many many times throughout the biblical scriptures. A prime example of this is found in John chapter 8. He tells the Pharisees who historically were the strict Torah abiding Jews that they did not know his father And that their father is Satan and he has been a liar and a murderer from the beginning. He actually goes against the Commandments of his so-called father which stated that an Adulteress person should be put to death according to Leviticus 20:10. I don’t want to presume your knowledge but unless you know who Satan actually is then I don’t think you or the majority of people are going to realize the significance of this chapter. Unless you understand who Remphan is mentioned in Acts 7:43 Then you’re not going to be able to understand how the crusades was actually the carrying out of the events in the book of revelations chapter 13. Unless you understand freemasonry, Quantum physics, dualism, The Kabbalah, the Jewish sephiroth And the nine dimensions that bind this reality together then you’re not going to really know who it is that is ruling this world. There’s a reason why in second Corinthians 4 verse 4 it says Satan is the god of this world. You’ve seen Satan before. you Probably did not realize it. Once you come to the realization of who Satan is there’s a reason why a lot of this information is being suppressed. A lot of people are not smart enough to understand and are not ready to understand the nature of this reality. Also once a person discovers his divine nature one of two things will happen. Either a person will use this knowledge to manipulate and do evil or they will use it to help people and do good. This country and the world is being ran by some very evil people And some very neo-Gnostic secret societies. Oh and I left out that you would also need to understand the zodiac in order to identify who Satan aka the god of the Old Testament really is. I will add that was a wonderful history lesson but there’s so much more that you need to learn so that you can realize what actually going on

[@montelinm]

Janne Tranberg Thank you. I’m still learning and all I’m trying to do is get people to wake up and see what’s going on.

[@robadams8939]

Spin clockwise(yang northern hemisphere/yin southern hemisphere) or counterclockwise (yin northern hemisphere/yang southern hemisphere) (torus spinning). Chant any of these mantras 3 times each while facing east, west, north(in the southern hemisphere), or south(in the northern hemisphere): "iaue"(yhwh), "aum", and "om". Sleep with your head placed east, west, south(in northern hemisphere), or north(in southern hemisphere). Perform the Tibetan five rites(a series of yoga stretches)at least 3 times each.

[@aharon77]

Yes to all of that.

[@semisweet1661]

YES! Thank You.. Ive never heard of anyone else who also believes that Quantum Physics is the key! For years, since my initial introduction of the Quantum field and what it thus far reveals, I have held firm in my opinion that furtherance in the study of research can and will eventually provide the true secrets of the universe and the language of the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth..

[@Zevelyon]

So Satan would simply be our own collective dark side/selfish impulses given free reign?

[@Alan_New]

Very informative and well presented. I suggest checking out Gurdjieff, Christian Sufis, Buddha and Hindu ideas for a broader perspective.

[@MarcosBetancort]

I think the nature of Jesus in relation to the logos and Christ is more complex and diverse in the gnostic understanding. I think it is the valentininans who teach that Jesus was a mere man in whom the Logos and the Christ manifested respectively one at birth and the other at baptism. But I founs that they also talk about a Jesus as an aeon and a Jesus human.

[@ChrisMusante]

Question: I thought that Leibniz used the term 'monad'. If he did not have access to the text, where did he get that term from?

[@Bistra4982]

Very informative

[@virtue_signal_]

We are still here!!!

[@estheraiyelabola6933]

Yes! ❤💡

[@neocount6397]

Gives know thyself a whole new meaning!

[@patrickdepoortere6830]

A just verdict on the Gnostics is that of Gruppe; the circumstances of the period gave them a certain importance. But a living force they never were, either in general history or in the history of Christendom. Gnosticism deserves attention as showing what mention dispositions Christianity found in existence, what obstacles it had to overcome to maintain its own life; but "means of mental progress it never was".

[@wendyhowell9276]

I really appreciate these lectures on paganism, gnosticism and lost Christianitys. Will the great goddess lecture you mention here be uploaded eventually?

[@vhawk1951kl]

you can read the Needleman book lost christianity which is jolly good- what is a all that mumbo jumbo about "uploading"(whatever nerdery that may be)?

[@koshyjeffrey57]

One lady shared in the end, how she read in a book that Gnosticism would never grow. Because it took too much time to study so you needed time and money and mental capacity. Which the book implies that the majority of people do not have. I would say, I disagree with this. Of course there are small population with learning disability. But I do not think lack of money would equate one to not be able to study gods word. I think most of us either work or are in school , but if you have a passion to know more about this world. Then you will be able to find a little time a day or once a month or anything. So I dont think the masses can use time/money contraint as an excuse to not learn more. Even with mental ability, we can all go at our own pace. I see learning about God, as a similiar spiritual experience as going to church . They are just different ways for us to learn about our world/creator. It is sad that the roman catholic church frowned upon everyday people to learn, so they can dictate all the doctrines and people cannot form opinions on their own. But I feel now with advent of technology all that can change. If people have the desire. Cause that is all it takes, desire-

[@mikemoreno3271]

9:22 from my understanding the name Jesus is a shortened Greek version of Yehushua, Joshua which translates The Lord/The Creator/To Be (Yehu) is my refuge/stronghold(Shua)

[@TheCinmatra]

Q: What is your understanding of the Gnostic´s "state of mystical union with the One"?

[@manofTao]

When it comes to philosophy of life, there are horses for courses and i found Asian "religions" to have the a practical answer for any dilemma one might have - wether it is Taoism, Buddhism or Hinduism. And one can hear echoes of the above in Gnosticism.

[@Anubis-hm7ro]

Thank you

[@kevinyin2663]

"So this is sometimes hard to square away with the God who is all good, thinking he's going to destroy and indeed in the story God destroys everyone and everything that is not on the Ark, which is always why the fact that this particular Noah's Ark story becomes a kids' story always seems pretty strange, right? Because anyway kids like animals and rainbows and things like that but there is a dark side to this story as well, right?" 11:03 John Hamer is funny!

[@iandavenport4663]

Love you Danny

[@nosuchthing8]

If anyone is interested, a science fiction writer has a gnostic inspired novel. It's not preachy. Philip K Dick.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

He actually wrote several. You're probably thinking about the Exegesis series, also known as the VALIS Trilogy. That's already three books (VALIS, The Divine Invasion, The Transmigration of Timothy Archer). However, the earlier novel The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch is actually even more gnostic than VALIS is. People usually don't catch that because the specific terminology of Christian Gnosticism isn't used in the novel. Similarly, The Penultimate Truth and The Simulacra have very gnostic ideas in them, with Nicole Thibodeaux in The Simulacra being basically sci-fi Yaldabaoth.

[@nosuchthing8]

​@@andrewsuryali8540thank you!

[@WickedMo13]

So is Gnostics a generic term or a specific group?

[@susanacuratolo1200]

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS- REGARDING ST. AUGUSTINE -THE MANICHAEAN - a major religion founded in the 3rd century AD by the Parthian prophet Mani, in the Sasanian Empire-AND BECAME DISSAPOINTED IN, AFTER HIS MEETING with the Manichaean Bishop, Faustus of Mileve, a key exponent of Manichaean theology,. IT WAS THIS THAT started Augustine's scepticism of Manichaeanism). In his Confessions, Augustine of Hippo - the most important Church Fathers in Western Christianity - refers to the woman he lived with, his concubine-NOT WIFE, BECAUSE SHE WAS OF LOWER SOCIAL RANK THAN HE, AND WITH WHOM HE HAD A SON, as “the one.” We know nothing about this woman, whom Augustine never names, but a new novel by Suzanne M. Wolfe now gives her a voice. Wolfe’s novel The Confessions of X brings to life the concubine Augustine deeply loved and then sent away. -

[@greggreen6532]

Pretty glib about the word matrix. How about some clarification and definition. Thanks.

[@nosuchthing8]

Matrix, the movie.

[@alternastream]

Great !

[@itsallminor6133]

This seems flawed. Like many videos in assumes the gnostics started 3 or 400 a.d. Why people do this i dont know. You can see the signs of Gnosticism in early greece. You can see the train of thought even earlier in ancient mesoptamia. Mayve get hints of it in the old testament. But again and again people say it started 300-400 a.d or so when the thought lineage is much much older. I think the early church did that to give it less credability. They couldn't say it been around a couple thousand years it would interfere with christianity and its proponents. Maybe its a matter of when it came up with a more fixed theology and the church giving it a name that causes this. But it all predates christianity

[@jimtaggert42]

lol!

[@jimtaggert42]

@Darren you should save this as a file that you can paste in other comment sections . because people are going to keep asking you to explain all that

[@maxwell9714]

@Darren Over 90% of what you just said is totally incorrect

[@obviousalias132]

The video literally doesn’t do that. One of the first slides he talks about Gnosticism predating Christ and being partially born from earlier philosophies like Zoroastrianism and Platonism

[@user-nt4wc7ix7j]

@Darren You claim quite a few things there, can you distinguish any of those beliefs from your imagination? It should be quite simple, but if you can’t, you shouldn’t post claims as though they are fact because, you’re simply lying when you do so. I don’t think your beliefs align with lying being ok, do they?

[@ozzy5146]

excellent

[@robinstevenson6690]

The diagrams are great, but a suggestion: The 1:07:20 diagram suggests the Catholic/Orthodox church was simply an outgrowth of Paulist Church. Importantly, the followers of Peter, James, & John also influenced the development of catholicism/orthodoxy.

[@robinstevenson6690]

We know that the Jewish-Christian communities of Alexandria to Antioch had an impact on early catholicism/orthodoxy, because they had bishops, and because Peter, James, John, & Jude were included in the canon.

[@4mick4]

However, and please correct me if I’m wrong; the canon wasn’t formed for the first time until 325 AD. I believe it was something like 300 dudes from all over the Holy Roman Empire who met to form the canon at the council of Nicea

[@seg162]

@@4mick4 The Council of Nicaea wasn't convened to decide on the canon-- it was convened principally to answer the Arian controversy. The canon was mostly certain (with the NT entirely agreed upon) up to this point without any council, but there were regional councils and bishopric declarations made in centuries following that produced canon lists. Until some point, canons weren't even uniform between jurisdictions. What prevented this from being a major issue was that their liturgies were accepted by each other, so they knew they held to the same doctrines.

[@Aneurism_]

i’m genuinely curious. @ 26:00 why would it matter if Leibniz found the Nag Hammadi back in his time?

[@joshbedford4889]

It just means that Leibniz was not influenced by gnostic concepts of 'monad', because he didn't have access to gnostic texts.

[@SyggNielsen-jg3hf]

I chalk it up to Western incomprehension of Eastern doctrines.

[@wolfumz]

I can't believe this guy is a pastor. I was raised wrong in the wrong church.

[@moorek1967]

Epicurus had one flaw in his argument, whether or not evil is universal. What I mean by universal is do all people view the same morality? No, we can see they don't. So by what or whom did Epicurus derive his morality if he is not a universal agent? So his idea of whether or not God should be willing and able means that Epicurus makes a determination of what he thinks God should be instead of what God is, therefore, Epicurus has no need for an outward God since he is his own god with his own morality that he is attempting to enforce onto others, meaning "Since God does not act the way I think He should, I shall be my own god and you must recognize my views as the only proper ones. Why call Him God, when you can call me god?" Moral relativism, Epicurus, moral relativism.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

This is a Christian misrepresentation of Epicurianism. Epicurus came from the Socratic lineage so his understanding of evil is independent of morality or individuality. His point is that if ANY being experiences what that being considers evil, then there is by definition an evil in the world. If an ant thinks it's experiencing evil, there is by definition evil. Period. A perfectly good world cannot have any evil, no matter how and by whom that evil is defined. If God were truly omnipotent and truly good, then NO being in the universe can even consider anything as being evil as no such thing can exist by definition. Therefore the existence of any evil disproves either the omnipotence of the goodness of God or both.

[@moorek1967]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Let me ask this, before you read my comment, did you know anything about me? No, because I was not in your thoughts world. Now let me show you the logical errors You first say " if any BEING", therefore your argument is No True Scotsman. Your argument: A: Christians say God is good. B: But I say the world is bad C: Therefore God does not exist. Right? God can't possibly exist because the world is bad so no true God exists. Let's try your argument of the ant. A: Ant thinks it is experiencing evil. B: Definition of evil exists in the ant's mind. C: Therefore the ant is true. It does not disprove God, it proves that you are very narrow-minded in that you view belief in God is evil, therefore God can't exist. Is the evil the actual evil or is the "thought" of evil the actual evil? Let's say you stub your toe and it hurts, therefore you curse. You say hurt is evil, therefore evil exists so God can't exist because you thought it evil to hurt because you stubbed your toe, in a perfect world the hurt should not be so God does not exist because you "experienced" evil and reacted to what you consider evil. Sine you are talking about the thought and experience of evil, that is only within you as I did not stub your toe and I cannot experience what you thought was evil inflicted upon you. The idea of evil then is not universal. If your toe hurts because it was stubbed means your body is functioning properly because it reacted to the stubbing, i.e. hurt, therefore because your body responded to stimuli, then it is not evil no matter how much you want to think is evil. So the ant "thinks" what is evil because of it's "experience" therefore no God can exist to the ant so therefore God does not exist to you because you agree with the ant in it's experience, that does not disprove God because somehow you believe the ant's idea of evil, whether it experienced evil or not. You are basing your argument of there being no God because of thoughts and experiences, yet the thought just might be an imagined evil.

[@davidm1149]

"God" as portrayed in the OT is Yahweh or Yaldabaoth, the god of chaos. The thread of story running through it is comprised of older, ancient tales and myths which were created to house spiritual truths and concepts. It's not quite as simple as believed, it's a cleverly crafted masterpiece, a collection of paradigms and metaphors expressing the realities of the psyche and universe. The actual historical account is very roughly approximating the actual events that occurred. The point is not historical accuracy by any means, it is accuracy in how well truths are expressed. Once these paradigms are understood and grasped, the lack of historical value will be ignored. *****The translations of texts were done by religious scribes writing through a particular theological lens. This caused a distortion in almost every tale that had been threaded into the biblical narrative. We're reading (as almost all are aware) a "copy of a copy of copies" of ancient writings which themselves carried the flawed expression inherent in the worldview and limited concept of the divine possessed by the original writers. Beside this, there is the difficulty on the part of the writer to correctly express within the limits of human language what they were channeling from the higher dimensions.*****

[@susanacuratolo1200]

REFERENCE- Philip Schaff. St. Augustin: The Writings Against the Manicheans and Against the Donatists. Series: "A select library of Nicene and post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church" (vol. 4). Grand Rapids (MI): Eerdmans, 1956.

[@eriklack1036]

the docetic nature of gnosticism meant that Jesus couldn't really be an example because he wasn't really human

[@benknowles5667]

Do one on the rise of the Gnostic cause there are people that see things as they do. Modern-day Gostic exists.

[@Aneurism_]

i would love to see John Hamer on the Joe Rogan Experience

[@nosuchthing8]

JR spends too much time on UFOs and such

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Source of consciousness! It is not a being it is a Universal Consciousness! Shine Bright! MWM

[@claudetteearle3052]

I must say the creed felt to me like indoctrination which is why I had stopped saying it then my heart rested. However, I continued seeking and questioning it, and later found where the Creed was broken down into what could be more towards truth, overlaid with some false concepts. Interesting

[@annafaithworld614]

Thank you very much, I love the depth. How can we make this the mainstream to come out of the Matrix. Children are programmed until age 7 by the parents who are programmed by multiple generations and this keeps going on. The knowledge has to start with children

[@MJ-kd7dp]

We live in the age of the apostate church and the masses will remain deceived.

[@patrickpetion1971]

This knowledge wasn't for. This ages, but we living in a very interesting time : we are the one who should put the foundation of knowledge to the coming ages. The ages of Aquarius

[@MJ-kd7dp]

@Boston pat Hey Pat - thanks for the genuine input. I confess I'm entirely unsure what the essence of your discourse is, though. Are you saying I believe we are living in a time where the masses are coming to know the truth? And/or are you saying I'm condemning people? Anyways, it seems clear we have different premises regarding spiritual authority, where it lays, how it is used. My mentioning that this is the age of the apostate church may be better stated by rephrasing and saying we live in the age where the church system of man (mankind) is fallen further than any in history... Evidence of this is recorded in all civilizations who knew of a triune God... The third person of the trinity being what we call the Holy Spirit, or love of Jesus... Mankind given authority to call upon the son, and the son sending them His Holy Spirit to indwell, that they are the ones who bind and loose grace & mercy, or disallusion & condemnation. We've seen two world wars, genocide after genocide, famine, pestilence on the watch of the contemporary christian church, and are headed towards another world war, and genocide beyond recognition. We live in a day where abortion is justified, a world of programmed souls etc etc because the christian church has rejected Christ, His love, His Holy Spirit, and that church system is led by the spirit of man, aka self, aka Satan through men. The redeeming logic I can conceive from your dialogue is that you are saying God's true church, the followers of Jesus who will rise from the ashes of a fallen world, where all systems of men have been destroyed, ... This body of people will restore and heal the world. That, indeed is true. ... Christ returns first through His church, a victorious church, and then He Himself joins His church here on earth. / Finally, I glean you are into mysticism, which is spot on... Early church makeup included Christian mystics, including pockets of the gnostics. And many wise 'new age' teachers freely speak of things like the laws of attraction and so forth. But, just like the pope in rome teaches today, they believe all paths lead to God/source/creator... Which is deception 101, not unlike the theology of say the sinner's prayer and you suddenly can sin no more if you just try enough, or the theology of name it & claim it, and so forth... At the end of the day, God is love, but love is not God... There's a relationship there, whether a man opts to submit to our creator or not. /. Regardless, this church system is indeed the church ushering in the manifestation of evil to the teetering edge of mankind obliterating itself and earth, or at minimum ushering in the spiritual purpose of marxism, communism, totalitarianism and the like, which is elimination of access to the gospel of Jesus. Anyways, best wishes to you, and if you are one to seek the face of God and to enter into truth, aka His perfect will for every person, to become one with Jesus, then I'd refer you to authors such as Watchman Nee, Brother Lawrence, Andrew Murray, Madame Guyon, as well as the Lord's prophet for North America, Chuck Johnel Youngbrandt... There are indeed windows where meaty truth and manifesting selflessness are being unveiled.

[@ketsune23]

@@MJ-kd7dp lol Apostate church? Who created the terms apostasy, heresy and orthodoxy? And what masses would be deceived about?

[@MendTheWorld]

In the nearly incoherent ramblings of MJ and Boston Pat, we can see that christianity is still evolving, as indeed it has done throughout its 3000+ year history. The internet and mass media have, indeed hypercharged this process to where it is progressing at a dizzying speed. Contained within this new religion are elements of the christianity of the 20th century, spiked with homophobia, misogyny, xenophobia, and racism as well. There may be a semi-coherent narrative (gnosis) emerging, but rather than formally stamping out any competing ideologies, as at the Council of Nicaea, it is evolving organically in suburban and rural America (and, sadly. Canada as well, although at a much smaller scale), and structured around the Republican Murdochian Church. It’s quite fascinating, as well as terrifying, to witness this process while it is occurring, not knowing how it will turn out.

[@pbohearn]

The patriarchal contempt of, and more importantly, the fear of, femininity, and especially a mans own unacknowledged femininity, is the source of most of the problems in this world.

[@patrickpetion1971]

Correction no proves that the scriptures were earlier than Plato and also the scriptures even if they were earlier. They weren't well-known outside of the news community.

[@ShogunOrta]

I think with the turning away of females that was about how women acted in the ancient times, or were forced to act. Jesus was just replying by saying i will teach her agency so that she truly be a part of the group, no matter she might have already had hidden agency from the start. Jesus was giving his endorsement in a way the men could accept.

[@davidhodges2583]

Yes, its almost like the way that when travelling in ultra conservative Muslim countries, where women hardly leave the house, a female traveller will sometimes be accepted as an honorary male so to speak, which enables interaction in the public sphere. I have read of this many times.

[@sebolddaniel]

Last Temptation of Christ by Nikos Kazantzakis was a Gnostic novel made into a Gnostic movie--I think

[@alexkettering1531]

My favorite of the gnostic deity mythos is the stream that has abraxas who has a chicken head and snake footsies.

[@kathryncrowleybryan5844]

This atheist is going to donate. TY for what you do

[@peterolbrisch1653]

Little known fact, the fall of Gonads was soon to follow.

[@joshmiller7489]

Aren't aeons supposed to signify a large amount of time? Not a divine thought or being?

[@chewyjello1]

It depends. Aeon or eons was used by the Greeks to mean life force, an age, an eternity, etc. It's used in astronomy to mean a billion years. Sir Roger Penrose uses the term in his Conformal Cyclic Cosmology theory to separate one cycle of the Universe from the next. And gnostics have their own use of the term.

[@nosuchthing8]

It's a homonym. Bats fly and bats can hit balls.

[@4mick4]

Can someone explain to me the idea of God being ‘bad’ in the OT? Could it be that God is a just God who does not change? So each time a people he has blessed, change their ways from him and embrace the world, they fall under judgment, ? In Noah’s day there were giants, no? Evil massive human beings just consuming the dickens out of earth. Someone please correct and direct me if I’m wrong, but in my humble opinion there is only ONE God of Jacob, and he’s never changed. The world changes, but His word does not.

[@Retrowaveresearch]

114. gospel of thomas : fusing the apana and prana in the body. or yin and yang.

[@USA11B]

Maybe there should be a video called "The resurrection of the Gnostics"

[@otisthecanadianbulldog2400]

Question: What's Joabs secret that Abner finds out just before Joab murders him? If you know this, let's here your answer. I need to know if others hear what I hear.

[@nosuchthing8]

The host is very bold

[@gda295]

i would rather say proto orthox sanitised paulinism [ than deriving from paulinism ] imo

[@valmarsiglia]

This is the universe in which Agent Dale Cooper became a history professor.

[@kazman_6899]

Twin Peaks is very gnostic.

[@guidedmeditation2396]

The Gnostics were attacked not because they were wrong but because they were right.

[@chutspe]

Shoutout to Elbe Spurling!

[@the16blackmeccas68]

The story of JOB is a allegory/metaphor of how Killer Kapitalism treats its employees.

[@robertjohnson3842]

As to the Badass Habibis and the Great Goddess... Liberty is a lady as is Justice... There are also these ladies... Grace, Faith, Hope, Charity, Patience, Prudence, and Joy... In light of the obvious overwhelming presence of the feminine in spirit, it is quite possible that man is wrong in his opinion and knowledge of God.

[@stinkfinga4918]

Where is it written anywhere that these concepts are feminine or at all ladies?

[@robertjohnson3842]

@@stinkfinga4918 Are you straining at a gnat??The "pen is" mightier than "the sword"?? The "penis"?? "Thus word"!! Besides, Proverbs 3:18 "She is a tree of life unto them that lay hold upon her, and happy is every one that retaineth her." God takes them in their own craftiness, and I cannot say that in any way do I know one man I would call by any of those words as a name so there it is written in reality... Reality is Realidad.

[@stinkfinga4918]

@@robertjohnson3842 time for your meds gramps lol

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

@@stinkfinga4918 Well, in Latin, anyway, the nouns Liberty, Grace, Faith, etc. are feminine in gender. Maybe it's like that in Greek, I don't know.

[@moorek1967]

@@robertjohnson3842 Wow, you are so Jordan Maxwelled. You theory only works in English. Has anyone told you lately that English is not the only language? Go ahead, give us the Sanskrit, German, Hebrew, Greek and Latin forms of your choice of words.

[@shanejohns7901]

@28:10 ``...must have been 'just a spiritual being'``? 'JUST'? That implies an inferior status, does it not? I am pretty sure that if the Logos is a spiritual being, it's NOT inferior. Definitely a bias poking through here...IMHO.

[@jasonsimmons4319]

Way to nitpick

[@edmckay8001]

Shane- spiritual beings aren't real! Wake up dude

[@shanejohns7901]

@@edmckay8001 It takes the same leap in logic to deny their existence as it does to affirm their existence. It's best to say we see no evidence of their existence.

[@tctc440]

I'm Glad I Subscribed to this Channel. It's So Infirmative & Entertaining ...

[@ouroboros5793]

I'm not gonna lie, I clicked on this because I thought the title was "The Fall of Geonosis"

[@23malachite]

Resounding of Sumerian tablets’ goddess Inanna

[@catsoffirstave1091]

29 minutes in. "For some gnostics, Jesus was this, for others he was that." Exactly! Jesus is The Truth, you don't get to have your own truth about him just because you meditated really hard. The gnostics bore false witness against Jesus.

[@meak911]

Gnosticism is the hidden knowledge of the Pure Light, the Karast of Sophia her redemption. It survived the Great Flood of Darkness caused by the Jealous One YHWH and the Demierge. Nothing can kill the Light Of Truth.

[@ShogunOrta]

An idea that could help Gnostics understand the physical nature of Jesus is Idealism. Look it up.

[@wolfpregel]

Isn't the description of the Monad / God the same as what is said of Brahman in the Upanishads of Hinduism. Ultimately God is One and Ifinite, and the different religions just use different words and names. Which proofs that the words don't have any importance, just a tool, and though have caused so much conflict in the world. It's time for humanity to recognize that and move into a united peaceful era

[@TheOldTeddy]

Not bad, open cynicism , snide remarks of no bearing, and heavy on the narcissism. C-

[@joecurmaci5880]

For we wrestle not with flesh and blood

[@jeremymettler2785]

Isaiah sawed in half never hurt John boiled asked how long got to sit here

[@jeremymettler2785]

Know self stop deceiving self

[@reepacheirpfirewalker8629]

I have heard it said the one thing that kept people from joining their religion was that if you were a part you could never have sex. I don't know anyone in any sphere of friends who would want to join something like that.

[@nosuchthing8]

Priests and nuns and monks

[@karljkay2955]

⁠@@nosuchthing8Yep. It is a wise setup to make people believe «Oh no Priests, Monks and Nuns can’t be sexually abusing children…» And then they can do all that behind the scenes… I believe the Monks are not that much involved in these disgusting actions, but some may. Some goes for higher holy status to just get people to think they are never going to do anything evil, yet they do… 😅

[@whatsyurprob158]

It is written: "Let God be true, and every man a liar." 😎🇺🇸😎

[@manicmandownup]

US flag?

[@willamcrim4034]

Habibi is masculine. Habibati is feminine. Sorry to nitpick. Great video!

[@1CT1]

Romans 10:9 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” John 3:16 King James Version 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. John 3:16 (share the good news of the gospel around the world!) Have a wonderful day/night, may the LORD bless you all, and farewell!,.,,,,,, Galatians 3:26 KJV For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

[@nosuchthing8]

He's reading from ancient bibles

[@alexkettering1531]

He speaketh king Jameseth english

[@MJ-kd7dp]

The lone mission objective that does not quench the Holy Spirit is seeking intimacy with Jesus. E.g. promise keepers had their million man March... And instead of honing it's mission for coming into intimate connection with Jesus... They announced the ten pillars of their mission... Which were not focused to oneness with Jesus... Hence quenching the Holy Spirit, and that movement soon went by the wayside... A huge loss of potential change in the contemporary church system of man.

[@MrDeicide1]

they quenched a circle jerk