The Fermi Paradox: Zoo Hypothesis

[@Overtime123]

Congratulations on winning the NSS Space Pioneer Award for Education via Mass Media! I know you don't do this for awards, but well deserved.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Thanks!

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Darn people up this comment... Well deserved by IA.

[@mj6463]

Isaac Arthur I don’t know if you still see comments from this long ago, but I’ve been watching for about five years and thought this was a good thread to thank you for getting me through several classes (started watching in junior high and I’m a senior now)

[@drfaul]

I joined just some weeks ago. I am still exploring your amazing content. Thank you so much!

[@Overtime123]

@Maddux Eugene Both comments reported as unwanted commercial marketing and spam.

[@SmartK8]

Alien scientist: "Sir, in a few decades they'll be on to us. What are your orders?" Alien commander: "Slow retreat!" *Jupiter and Kuiper belt start slowly drift away on a trajectory out of the solar system*

[@DeltafangEX]

Spooky.

[@mahadaalvi]

*Pluto then follows*

[@francoislacombe9071]

Send that idea to Dust KZbin channel.

[@zackatwood2867]

@@mahadaalvi It's a Kuiper belt object...

[@AsmodeusDHare]

Moon slowly creeps out of orbit

[@bimblinghill]

4:10 Chances of aliens choosing Isaac's back yard: better than average!

[@annoyed707]

Yes, a bunch of Asgardians live there in a carefully-stealthed yurt.

[@annoyed707]

A near certainty once the orbital ring and SFIA space elevator to Ashtabula is built.

[@tonyknievel2223]

Lmaooo

[@gumunduringigumundsson9344]

This is in fact.. couldn't be a closer call indeed.. but in fact this is DNA's back yard. Don't Panic 😎👍 🧸🌹

[@gumunduringigumundsson9344]

You.. Me? Yes you. Me? Who else.. Me? Etc etc .. never getting there hahaha. This one and the dolphins get it too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anWtloaseddmn9k

[@JTKroll12]

legend says that in 12000 years when humanity is ready to settle alpha centauri... Isaac Arthur is still uploading podcasts saying "that is the first rule of warfare, after all"

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Not "Sending robots to colonize nearest stars and put defenses there is the first rule of warfare" being Proxima Centauri ?

[@crazyahhkmed]

12000 years, seems very pessimistic lol.

[@atriox7221]

Guess we’re rushing a bit

[@derekofoma5120]

@@crazyahhkmed Really? 12,000 seems legit to me especially if we don't have a paradigm shift in technology.

[@j-twd930]

@@derekofoma5120 Nuclear power could already get a spacecraft up to 5% lightspeed, so, using giant lasers (see Isaac Arthur's Interstellar Highways episode) to push a spacecraft to 5% c and then using the rest of then using the fuel already inside to decelerate at the destination would be possible and would reach A. Centauri in 80 years or so.

[@anthonystromeyer1399]

Can someone please compile a list of "Isaac Arthur's First Rules of Warfare". He's the post-modern Sun Tsu!

[@TheLiamis]

First rule of warfare. There are no first rules of warfare.

[@anthonystromeyer1399]

@@TheLiamis, your buddies Goebbels, Goering, Hess, Himmler and Mussolini would've profited from an "Isaac Arthur's Compendium of Military Strategy & Tactics". Too late now. We're doomed. At least Operation Paperclip worked out.

[@anthonystromeyer1399]

Charm Monster on Umber Hulks

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Anthony Stromeyer - First Rule of Warfare - The best war is the one you avoid; 2nd Rule - If you’re in one, you’ve failed.

[@TdotDanger]

Win

[@kevincrady2831]

@15:19 - "That might sound pretty crazy, but in truth it's not that hard to do."

[@chrispy_091]

"If brute force isn't working, you're not using enough" will always be my favorite.

[@maxkronader5225]

@crispy 😁 Yep, the old construction rule "Get a bigger hammer!"

[@deathsyth8888]

The Earth isn't just a zoo. It's a reality TV show produced for the entertainment of the rest of the universe. Aliens love their trashy intergalactic programming. South Park knows the truth.

[@martiangoomba2]

like The Truman Show, or in this case, The Human Show

[@vincewilson1]

@Michael Bishop The internet is an illusion so are cell phones!

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT!

[@Aermydach]

I find this highly probably considering the handling of recent medical incidences and our global political state :p

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Ah whose short stories were those, on a bar in our solar system, bartender telling (among others) this thing, originally ?

[@mikelfunderburk5912]

Gotta love the 1st rule of warfare.

[@dlaftx]

Lol. How many 1st rules of warfare are there? This channel seems to have quite a few.

[@rexmann1984]

Well, the first rule of warfare is to not die. So needless to say it has a LOT of addendums

[@TheRezro]

Ironically it make sense because during the war many seemingly insignificant factors can make you loose. So generally all rules of warfare are equally important.

[@vincewilson1]

@@TheRezro Yeah, Like the fact that Adolf Hitler was asleep during the invasion of Normandy so they couldn't mobilize their Panzers in time.

[@NoobNoobNews]

It certainly accounts for everything.

[@blakewalsh9489]

3:01 "Aliens wouldn't have any relatives here" What about Zuckerberg?

[@avery7690]

hes not an alien.. hes a robot

[@ridethetiger9092]

Blake Walsh Blake Walsh Zuckerborg has the personality flotsam & jetsam, come to think of it I’ve met driftwood with more savoir faire. That dead-eyed look of his gives me the heeby-jeebies, good grief.

[@adolfodef]

@@avery7690 Post Biological Entity -> Your argument is invalid.

[@avery7690]

@@adolfodef lol so cyborg?

[@kevincrady2831]

Why not Zuckerberg?

[@willdbeast1523]

17:53 if you're not partying this hard i don't even want to make contact with you

[@justicehiwstb7503]

If they party at all like most stupid humans i dont wanne have contact with them.

[@timothymclean]

@@justicehiwstb7503 It's okay, there are probably aliens like us at home, rolling their eyes at the frat reptoids.

[@mannyheffley420]

They’re vibing

[@joshuahunt3032]

In a novel series I’m writing, the main premise is that an entire extraterrestrial federation with intentions to study the entire Local Group (or further, if they can reach beyond the Local Group) have been studying sapient civilizations from the shadows (non-intrusively) since the dawn of the Human Genus, and humans aren’t the only species that were studied. Basically, the first novel starts with said federation deciding to make first contact with humanity after Apollo 11 happened. Their envoy was supposed to arrive by wormhole in 2016 to start offering trade and federation membership to Humanity in addition to new tech, but they wind up being 20 years late due to a miscalculation.

[@Fleurlean4]

sounds interesting, i hope you publish it soon and I'm able to find them somehow

[@mugfish0]

Sounds genuinely interesting!

[@basthuijs2669]

sounds cool

[@Lyle-xc9pg]

Sounds dumb

[@metalwellington]

@@Lyle-xc9pg yip

[@RightWingDestroyer666]

Theory: Isaac is the alien ( how else would he know so much? ), and he is trying to ease our transition into the galactic society with his work, so this video is pretty meta :P

[@exoplanets]

Haha

[@rmeddy]

Yeah what's up with that accent?

[@owiela]

@@rmeddy It's a speech impediment. I may be wrong, but his series has been a way for him to improve his speaking ability - it was harder to understand him in his earlier videos.

[@achilles6578]

@@owiela we are just more used to him now is all. He still sounds the same. We just know him(his voice and speech) alot more now

[@chrisschembari2486]

And Isaac's constantly changing First Rule Of Warfare is evidence of his being an alien. He natively thinks in quantum bits, so "first" is whatever permutation is active at the moment!

[@HarryVoyager]

I find myself wondering, could first contact itself be a Great Filter? While "I saved a civilization" makes a great epitath, "I drowned a civilization in a sea of blood by accident" is the sort of stuff that can motivate nations to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'll have to think through it some more, but that just hit me while listening to this episode

[@thesaucyprophesy2939]

Can you reword this so I can understand it better? I'm not really getting what you mean

[@fluffysomething-or-other2724]

@@thesaucyprophesy2939 He's saying genocide by alien invasion could be a Great Filter. The Reaper hypothesis essentially.

[@HarryVoyager]

@@thesaucyprophesy2939 Actually trying to say something slightly different. What if the effects of a non-malicious first contact are difficult enough that many races do not survive it, unless the initiating civilization is extremely careful about it. I'm just thinking of our own history with first contacts. While some of them have gone well, many of them have gone very badly for the locals and caused a lot of issues, and more than a few plagues and mass die-offs. Of the older civilization has a history of contacts with younger civilizations that ultimately ended up with the younger civilization being destroyed as a result of that, I could see that being a motivation for them to block off contacts until either the younger civilizations reached a point they could survive contact, and the older civilization had the skills and tools to do it safely. This would be doubly true if the older civilization was not malicious and the deaths of the younger civilizations were not the intended results.

[@HarryVoyager]

@@fluffysomething-or-other2724 Accidentally genocide, not intentional genocide. Think something more like, there's something that's very common to high tech space faring races that ends up being very dangerous when it gets loose in lower tech civilizations, like a near-suicide pact technology that you have to get past to become interstellar or a social equivalent to small pox, or the like. I'm not sure what it would be yet. Attack of the recurrent meme? Just wondering if that could be a thing, and could offer sufficient motivation to create a solar system scale quarantine zone?

[@crysanthiumvega]

How do you commit accidental genocide?

[@liamcahill3907]

Always love the Fermi episodes. Happy to see your channel continue to grow Isaac! Keep up the great work. The comments reflect how much demand these types of videos have.

[@radarsneers]

Happy Arthursday.

[@DanielGenis5000]

I’m pretty early, so I can congratulate Isaac first on what is sure to be a fascinating episode. I just hope our keepers bring apples instead of cabbage today, because if not , I will definitely throw some poo at a grandma!

[@ColdHawk]

Well, this zoo animal is happy as long as he gets the regular allotment of Isaac Arthur videos. Our alien zookeepers obviously know their stuff when it comes to keeping their charges content!

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I got alcohol, cigarettes, various “drugs”, infinite entertainment, a somewhat fulfilling life with a parent and partner who love me. It’s not perfect. But if I’m in a zoo. This is clearly a good zoo.

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Envy you :/ Darn I pulled no good cards, oh well.

[@tommeakin1732]

Imagine how funny it'd be if we accidentally started an interstellar war because we crashed a probe into Jupiters atmosphere to collect data - not realising that Jupiter is in fact a thinly disguised alien megastructure

[@midnight8341]

I don't think they'd be starting a war because of that, though... More like someone sighing in the middle of their holo deck: "Jeff, they did it again!" "One of their tiny metal probe-thingies?" "Yeah, came down right in AK-27-Z, send some nanite swarms to fix that..." "Can't they write a functional dimensional-navigation algorithm FOR ONCE?! IT IS NOT THAT HARD!" "Calm down, Jeff, not like it happens more often than once one of their decades or so..."

[@tommeakin1732]

@@midnight8341 To be more serious, I imagine it'd be more like when a child does something stupid that causes problems for other people. We find it annoying and we might be angry, but we realise they're relatively naive and don't have an understanding of the world that we'd expect an adult to :P But tbf in this scenario, if you're basically hiding your megastructure so that it looks like a gas giant, you are kind of asking for something like that to happen lol. This would be like lying on your neighbours overgrown lawn in a ghillie suit and then getting run over by your neighbour's kid when he's mowing the lawn

[@annoyed707]

@@tommeakin1732 I am so lucky my neighbour was the lazy sort...

[@Lugg187]

@@tommeakin1732 you're assuming that gas giants are naturally occurring planetoids and not artificial structures. For all we know, all gas giants are veiled alien structures made for whatever purpose.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

"We get that you didn't mean to damage our property, but seriously, how did you think this was a 'natural' planet? You can't be that stupid." :)

[@nickshaw6085]

"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting da awiens." I can understand you just fine, Isaac! Love bingewatching your channel. Thank you!

[@SnowblindOtter]

I prefer the Quarantine aspect of the Zoo Hypothesis, where they aren't talking to us because we're, for one reason or another, absolutely terrifying.

[@maxk4324]

Lecturer: Rule 1 of warfare is never hand someone a gun unless you know where they'll aim it CIA: [rushes in flustered and panting] Sorry I'm late, I'll get the notes from a friend later...

[@wallerron]

Awesome episode as always. Sidenote: 6:12 Techno Viking Alien :D

[@aufowithwificoverage3328]

Zoo’s are quite expensive in space. With all the different species with different ways they live, but we keep them healthy for the tourist to see.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Are humans healthy though? Like the Pyongyang zoo that had a chimp who smoked a pack a day of cigarettes. If this is health. I don’t want to be around to see what non health is.

[@timothymclean]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 You might live to see what non-health is if we don't get our act together on climate change! ...That joke wasn't supposed to sound so political.

[@CosmicBob11]

Imagine we land a person on Mars and then out of nowhere Q appears with a mariachi band to congratulate us or something, lol.

[@cannonfodder4376]

Eliminating a competitor by digitizing them and securing them from destruction. A rather interesting and plausible take on the topic of apocalypse from the void. Would love to see a story that incorporates such a topic. Would be interesting to see what others think of it. Another fantastic video Isaac and team.

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Nope, once no more development (digitizing = no more random fluctuation of space) means end of progress. Video is cute, but... nothing new. I'd prefer either new content (very very hard to come by), speculation (you get lots of aggression) or 3-5 old episodes compressed. That said, I'll still watch every episode, entertaining and fun. For now :)

[@NickPoeschek]

Hey Isaac, congrats on your Space Pioneer award from the National Space Society, very well deserved!

[@maan7715]

Ah the "first rule of warfare " is back! It's always good to hear them. XD

[@archenema6792]

The answers lie in the Oort Cloud.

[@moomoomoo33ass]

ArchEnema 67 and the voyager probes are there now.

[@Auirtozz]

@@moomoomoo33ass are they?

[@tonyknievel2223]

Hey i know you, you watch anton petrov's channel daily too just like me 😂

[@moomoomoo33ass]

Auirtozz yes they are

[@tamerarikan626]

send us chuck berry

[@SaltyWound]

Let's hope "Earth" show doesn't get canceled...

[@marcopohl4875]

it's gotten rather exciting recently, lot's of tension

[@gregbrockway4452]

Thank you Isaac, so much to mull over. That’s why I enjoy your uploads, you don’t just offer food for thought you serve an entire banquet.

[@KingOpenReview]

I wish "that's the first rule of war" was a more commonly used meme.

[@maksimghyvoronsky5641]

Isaac! Love you man. Thank you for all of the great videos🙌🏽

[@annoyed707]

Human civilization: "First!" (galactic crowd snickers)

[@marrqi7wini54]

Or Humanity: HELLO NEIGHBOR- Where is everyone?...

[@dakrontu]

I like the aliens watching humans through a glass wall, with the humans watching dolphins through a glass wall. And then Isaac looking back over at the aliens.

[@anyoneofus9948]

The only reason to come here is to see Florida man in action. Careful! He's got a Bud Light!

[@Ernie_Centofanti]

Your videos are always fascinating, Isaac!

[@MunkeyOP]

Been looking forward to this all morning!

[@HyperionStudios]

In Warfare: "The persuasiveness of your argument is directly proportional to the size of your nads" For America, that's a nuclear warhead. For aliens, that's a stellar object.

[@binaryalgorithm]

"The First Rule of Warfare" , a novel by Isaac Arthur.

[@ElvisVikic]

I got hooked on these videos a few months ago and went back and watched every video, I cant watch anything else before bed anymore nothing comes close to this. I rewatch my favorite episodes when I'm waiting for new ones. I finally know why people in comments sections love arthursdsy

[@ummdustry5718]

17:12 I'm reminded that Neil Armstrong claims to have said "One small step for A man", while mission control heard "One small step for man". Poor signal strength? Possibly... Or was it the split-second between Aliens cutting off communications and switching the Armstrong and Armstrong-clone?

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

The number 1 rule of warfare is always catch new episodes of SFIA

[@armouredheart5389]

So you're saying that our universe could be an alien child's game of Stellaris? Paradox is getting meta, putting games inside games...

[@artificerdrachen6908]

Well, if that's the case, time to use the power of sheer spite to crawl out of the screen and vent some anger.

[@T34RG45]

This a nested simulation

[@jozsefkalmar7054]

Time to use my Vultaum Reality Perforator

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Nah, philosopher Boström stated that (well not sure of the spelling). But yeah, that's why people are so stupid, we're in about billionth (or near infinity) level down in game inside game etc...

[@joevidya]

Several Billions of years passed before Earth was even formed, and then a few more billion passed before we Humans became a thing. Hundreds of alien civilizations could have rose and fallen during that time. To say Humans are late to the party would be an understatement.

[@littlemrpinkness295]

"You can always pause the simulation and tinker if you need to." "Scan their brains, then flip them off and turn them on again." Could this be the cause of the Mandela Effect?

[@GenericJoeShmo]

Stop it.

[@vovacat1797]

Has Isaac actually done a video on aliens that are just so alien we wouldn't comprehend their logic?

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

He has done one on incomprehensible aliens if I recall correctly. You can check it out in his webpage. They're neatly there according to topic so easy to check.

[@T0Ltaka]

With all this water it may be an aquarium instead

[@theuncalledfor]

_An aquarium is just a wet zoo._

[@simlucien]

I wants a super cut of every 1st rule of warfare, because they’re awesome.

[@irvs5922]

The biggest problem the Fermi paradox has is this : if humanity got to that point in technology where we had many planets under our control, would we do any of those solutions?

[@cmbaz1140]

Kessler of course...

[@irvs5922]

c@mbaz such as?

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Mostly but it's not really a 'problem' so much as a way of determining if a solution makes sense, though of course we have to try to also ask 'would someone else do that?', things like colonization might be fairly universal tendencies since its got a clear biological root that we expect to emerge as a tendency anywhere Darwinian life had emerged but others are trickier.

[@cmbaz1140]

Kessler the zoo

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

@@isaacarthurSFIA Fluorine has close to carbon valences but I know you know that...

[@atmankost3261]

I think there's a lot to be said about cyclical disasters, something like recurrent micro-novae would be one of the best Fermi Paradox solutions. There's been suggestion that our own star is a recurrent micro-nova star, "popping" every 12,000 years or so. We've found a lot of evidence that the glaciers that we've been using to give ages for things, are not anywhere near as old as we initially assumed.

[@tariqahmad1371]

YESSSS!!!! I haven't been this early since the war in heaven! ALL HAIL THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANKIND EMPEROR ISAAC ARTHUR!!!!

[@ufuker5754]

Tts and warhammer 40k nice

[@tariqahmad1371]

@Ufuk ER I love the Tts series for it's comedy and the fact it introduced me to warhammer 40k

[@j.v.8691]

Is the war in referance to stellaris, my friend?

[@tariqahmad1371]

@AbsoluteTurtler no, it's warhammer 40k,

[@tariqahmad1371]

@AbsoluteTurtler the lore in warhammer 40k is epic. When I referenced the war in heaven,'it was an epic war between the Necrons and the old ones that happened millions of years ago.

[@maxcovfefe]

I've always imagined the zoo hypothesis a bit differently. Like... they'd have sort of built the zoo by finding the right rock (planet/solar system) and putting events into motion that would make that rock support RNA and eventually life. I think of it more like a petri dish than a zoo maybe. I imagine it as an experiment to see what would evolve from these basic building blocks, perhaps in an attempt to watch their own evolution, etc. In case it's not implied heavily enough, I mean to say they'd be our relatives, that the RNA woulda been from them; OR they manufactured it somehow another way. The reason we wouldn't see them in this scenario is because it's a science experiment, so visitors may not even be allowed if this is like their lab. It's interesting to think about in the context that sometimes humans claim to be abducted and then returned after undergoing an exam and sometimes even being tagged under their skin. To me, this sounds like something scientists would do if they could. If the hypothesis is even a little true, their interest wouldn't just be us humans. It would be all kinds of life produced from that single sample of RNA, flora and fauna alike. This would explain why we don't see other planets quite like Earth AND the reason these aliens wouldn't interfere if it's a group project with like-minded individuals observing without any _obvious_ interference. If your society is post-scarcity, death-resistant, high tech, and curious, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd expect them to do ESPECIALLY if you combine it with a rare earth hypothesis, where getting to know other species may be a matter of sparking their _creation_ and waiting around until something evolves enough like themselves to be approached. Earth may be some 6th grade alien's science fair project. His dad is helping him, of course.

[@thedoruk6324]

This is one of my favourite conclusions; as it summarizes that the life itself is such a mundane; high occurance that it is a barren; even mediocre concept for more advanced galactic powers; most likely not worth their time to intervene & indoctrinate every lowest tier shuttlecrafting civilazations they encounter

[@TheLiamis]

Especially if a space fairing alien was AI. Life would just be boring noise to an AI.

[@thedoruk6324]

@@TheLiamis Omuamua *intensifies*

[@tonyknievel2223]

Boring noise i love it 😂

[@nandarajareddy495]

just assume that some allein has achived 10 dimension unlocked which exist because of string theory and saw humanity and say ''lock this looks like our species 100 billion years ago so lets see what happens when we never got any vissitors''

[@snapman218]

As someone from Kansas, I can vouch for low light pollution which makes stargazing awesome 😎

[@Australisium]

I can't see any stars in my area the sky is just black not a single star. I wish I could see the milky way. I live in California btw.

[@jerrywbrice]

Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden is quite awesome, Isaac.

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

Kansas has the nation’s newest national park! Tallgrass Prairie is amazing!

[@drmachinewerke1]

@Carsonian The Great It also has a 700# prairie dog and a two headed snake

[@ColdHawk]

drmachinewerke1 - Get outta town! No way!

[@AaronAlso]

I have long thought the Simulation Hypothesis is the most plausible explanation for the Fermi Paradox. But, Isaac just took it to a new level with the idea that aliens may have built the simulation either to protect us, or more likely to prevent us from becoming the competition.

[@IABITVpresents]

So they don't create new stars for us at a bigger rate?

[@dalesheen1816]

18:11 Alien 1: oh look, the "animal human experiments" are angry, shame they don't fall under "true sentience" in our scientific laws. Ok sterilize the experiment planet now and move on. Humanity: D: !!!

[@jasonbelstone3427]

Humanity: Y-you can't do this to me-eee-ee! (sobs) Aliens: (dance party at the humans anguish) Monkeys can't do nuffin 'bout it!

[@dalesheen1816]

@@jasonbelstone3427 :p then my imperium of Terra from Stellaris shows up "Orly?" XD

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

*trumble* goes the truck over anthill.

[@timothymclean]

Whenever someone throws around that kind of argument-that humanity doesn't qualify as "true sentience" according to an alien civilization-I want to ask them what could possibly be that "higher sentience" that they would put the definition at? You can argue that since we aren't maximally intelligent, there must be discrete steps of intelligence above ours that other life-forms could reach, but that strikes me as being more than a little akin to attempts to define God into existence.

[@theuncalledfor]

Alien 2: That's it, we've had it with your disgusting disregard for sapient life. Prepare to be exterminated. Never again will you create sapience in scientific experiments only to murder them because of your fucked up definition of "true sapience"! Alien 3: ALL MUST BE ASSIMILATED

[@SFH_Stuff]

Aliens be like: "Okay we have to take measures. that guy is getting way too close"

[@fauzulazim2993]

5:22 Guys we actually live in the zoo of the zoo

[@euler4273]

How many first rules of warfare are there?

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Every one of them.

[@diyeana]

I don't want to be a paperclip. Damn you AI.

[@josk6675]

1st rule of warfare, isaac always has a second first rule of warfare?

[@adviel]

Light speed travel wold to slow for reliable interstellar communities. Faster then light travel is required but that means physical communication becomes the fastest way as well. That means that for a interstellar community faster then light communication is just as necessary. That means that whatever that form of communication is it can't be received by our primitive ethnology. So an addendum to the Star Treck rule of discovering Warp drive wold be the discovery of subspace communication be the condition for contact.

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Uh, google (for example) pdf space time channel, light speed isn't about speed of light... It's about speed of causality.

[@IABITVpresents]

@@tonikotinurmi9012 Sorry, but "PDF" Spacetime? 😅

[@pedrog.formaldemocrata1934]

High level of analysis, One of my favorites channels since i discovered. Well disclose every aspect with scientific mind.

[@willnorman-bargo]

Hey you put out a video on my birthday day. I know it's just by chance but thank you!

[@tonyknievel2223]

🎈

[@robertmiller9735]

Reminds me of an Analog story (Ray Brown, I think) in which a world went digital and their children, raised digital, came to disbelieve in a "real world", assuming the original universe was just another digital environment. And then began to digitize whole solar systems, and one can see what that looked like from the point of view of still-physical people...

[@DanielGenis5000]

I can’t wait for conscious stellar objects!

[@TheLiamis]

An entire planet that's actually a sentient ai created to understand existence.

[@TheRezro]

So the Matryoshka Brain?

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

@@TheLiamis Or the sentient glacier-brain

[@sadderwhiskeymann]

my only problem with the zoo hypothesis is, as you said plenty of times, "there is not stealth in space". so, how the hell do they manage to stay hidden?

[@CrimsonBlasphemy]

You only need to be as stealthy as the best detection system you'll be going against. A civilization that doesn't have a Dyson Swarm worth of detectors, is relatively blind. Then once you're in position to take control of the information systems it gets even easier to make deliberate blind spots. Asteroids are sneaking up on Humanity all the time. We're functionally nearsighted and mostly deaf. Not really hard to sneak up on us.

[@towboat4213]

"Ohio which is proverbially boring" Amen to that brother.

[@bassmanjr100]

Left Ohio many years ago and now live in beautiful Tennessee but after visiting most of the country I think Ohio is actually pretty decent if, big if, you like cold snowy weather. It has some beautiful areas, good farmland, a huge fresh water lake and plenty of lush green temperate forests. Not so bad. I've seen a lot worse. Maryland, Delware (puke), Rhode Island, New Jersey (gag)... pretty much most of the I-95 Northeast Corridor IMO sucks!!!

[@Kimjunun12345]

theory: were living in a simulated reality and our 5 senses are fake

[@ridethetiger9092]

This ought to be good! I’ve been waiting for this one, since I’ve long pondered the Zookeeper Hypothesis as very plausible scenario for any Eldritch species tired of witnessing reoccurring mass extinction events throughout the galaxy. Entropy (AKA death, decay) being one of the most basic primordial forces in the universe demands that all life struggle against the dying of the light!

[@theuncalledfor]

Eldritch species? Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[@Soken50]

I'm all for the reality TV zoo hypothesis, aliens just find us so hilarious bumbling through our lives.

[@TheRezro]

Reality TV is actually mostly staged. Life is in fact quite boring.

[@Soken50]

@@TheRezro I'm sorry your life is boring, mine would make some alien audience ;)

[@TheRezro]

@@Soken50 Yeh, millions of ants say the same 0_0

[@Soken50]

@@TheRezro And I spent hours watching them as a kid, even had some in terrariums as a teen. Again, sorry your life is more boring than an ant's.

[@TheRezro]

@@Soken50 Sorry, but your troll is pathetic. I would ignore you from now one 0_0

[@forcivilizaton5021]

These Aliens are in the DMT realm.

[@TheLiamis]

Turning the frogs gay.

[@hauntngu4002]

I'm sick of this crap!

[@hedgehog3180]

One thing I'm thinking is that you don't actually need to block travel for many millions of years, if every so often someone gets through that's okay so long as it's not too often. If someone had arrived on our planet 70 million years ago depending on what they did there would be little to absolutely no chance we'd discover that. And you can always clean up afterwards, if a streaker makes it through the security for a football game and spreads toilet paper everywhere we don't just put our hands up and go "oh well" we evict them and clean up afterwards. Given that within known physics it'd probably take at least a few decades to travel here from the nearest solar system and you'd be able to see that they started traveling long before they got here it probably would not be hard to shoot most of them down in time and then the few that did get through your outer defenses you might catch before they reach the planet or if they manage to land then now they're actually fairly easy to catch since they're sitting on a planet, you could probably even use some pretty heavy weaponry and we wouldn't be able to tell. And with the clean up if you have nanobots you can probably clean up on a microscopic level. They'd only really need to make sure no one made it through in the last few thousand years and that's not a lot of time on an astronomical scale. Also it would stand to reason that it would be easier to get through with a smaller ship because that's harder to hit, more maneuverable and easier to hide but it also follows that the smaller the ship the less impact it would be able to have on the planet simply because it can't carry a lot. So that sorta makes the problem self solving, if you can make sure that only a few relatively small ships get through every few million years then it would be easy to hide. Also another thing that'd probably work to your advantage is that you'd probably get the most excitement right when the new planet with life is discovered, whether that be right as our planet developed life or only a few tens of millions of years ago. So at that point you'd get the most people trying to get through to the planet and if you then just make it very clear that you will kill anyone who tries to get in and keep up that effort for a few thousand years then people will probably get the message and mostly stop trying apart from a few. A lot of defenses in our world works on the same principle of dissuading people from trying in the first place. Barbed wire do a good job of convincing most people of staying away from something even though it can be fairly easily cleared with some wire cutters and gloves. If you just absolutely demolish anyone who tries in the first few thousand years and don't even give them a chance most people will probably not want to try again. It might seem cruel but tbf this is not anymore extreme than the lengths we go to, to protect some threatened animals or valuable ecosystem, we also have people that will shoot on sight to protect these. Though you might not even have to kill them, a big defense laser could probably also be used to just put them off course and most speculative designs for interstellar starships don't have much course correction. Just like gently force them to go to the next star over instead. Similar to how we secure air spaces and harbors, just intercept and then however gently or forcefully you need to steer them away. Though again going heavy in at the start might be a good idea just to get the message out that you mean business.

[@samuelk1046]

The video : last 26 min The people : commenting about the video 5 mins after it get out 🧐

[@tonyknievel2223]

You mean 5 miliseconds

[@helonmead8225]

There is an option to speed up the playback ;)

[@gkagara]

Earth: develop interstellar tech Interstellar Empire : great now bow down and become my vassal follow the rules or face utter annihilation.

[@icerook1560]

Hey, NEVER APOLOGIZE for a speech impediment, to be honest I like it, I really thought it was a sight accent, love your videos

[@lasarousi]

Whoever made the thumbnail thank you, you saced me 26 minutes.

[@artificerdrachen6908]

Probably one of the more insulting ones out there, might even make me a little xenophobic from just sheer spite and resentment.

[@theuncalledfor]

_Destroy the Xenos Filth!_ Only the ones that did this though.

[@artificerdrachen6908]

@@theuncalledfor I Bet they would be all stuck up and snotty too.

[@saladinbob]

Is your streaming service available in all regions, or at least Europe? I wouldn't want to sign up for something that was limited to North America.

[@tonikotinurmi9012]

Very good question. Nebula does NOT ask (it says you have ALREADY ACCEPTED terms when I googled in there), including me to give private information before I even log in (this is illegal in EU, not sure I'll be taking action though...). I think there is info page somewhere, even checked about it from above video's links, nowhere to be found. Curiositystream also asks stuff. So, nope. I once asked Isaac Arthur where to donate bitcoins but I think his wallet was stolen or something, wasn't available... Probably Patreon (which blocks some content) could be OK. I will try to login from clean non-writable linux machine one of these days to see what nebula automatically takes from machine. Avoid. Edit: about nebula: we will revise and *** about our policy - when I'm away for 6 months I don't wish to read policy changes. I'm sure there are lots of videos in youtube telling it's all safe and good. Anyhow, no option to decline as required by EU, so once you google+click you've already accepted terms. If I understood correctly (though I had two windows open...).

[@marlonlacert8133]

Hmm.. Idea alien prison planet! Imagine if Earth was in such a shell, and this was done so that they could use Earth as a ethical type prison planet. Where bad aliens are sent to live out the rest of their life as a member of Earth. Some minor memory wipes, of their past. Then make them think that they are a person of Earth. And poof, alien prison planet.. Worse yet one would never know! lol

[@thingamabitch]

Where do families come from then?

[@marlonlacert8133]

@@thingamabitch, all could have started with all but two criminals. And who said the Aliens need be flesh and blood. Maybe all are exiles from a computer world. Scary thought.

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

good point about echo chambers and the tendency of them to exclude outside points of view even if only for consideration of there own ideas. I almost wonder what a paperclip maximizer echo chamber would look like, lol.

[@jimbonetics9082]

So early it's not even in the uploads page

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Well that was a glitch on my part, youtube's new interface is a bit different and I forgot to release it here after posting all the other links to it on Social Media for about 10 minutes :P

[@samsalin]

We have noise canceling headphones right, just matching the wavelengths and spitting out the opposite? Couldn't there just be a bunch of radio silencers spread throughout our ort cloud to match anything coming in to make it look like static?

[@mahadaalvi]

0:25 Money is probably their equivalent of peanuts.

[@st3llarmemer111]

Money would still be widely used by alien civilizations since it is a means to exchange things, which will always be a thing.

[@tonyknievel2223]

But would it be for aliens?

[@st3llarmemer111]

@@tonyknievel2223 In the same way we'd expect aliens to be curious, we would also expect them to exchange goods, ideas, etc. which would probably mean some form of monetary system.

[@tonyknievel2223]

Yeah but i don't expect anything too comprehensible from an alien either. I'd say ok if they are not flying blobs that absorb energy but more like "flesh" and "bone" curious "civilizations" they might (probably) use some sort of currency or equivalent, we do it so why not them?, also they might not we don't know, what i am sure of is that our money will equal peanuts. I would actually rather accept peanuts instead 😂😂😂😂😂 imagine alien civilization comes to earth and says we want to buy 100 metal machining factories or whatever and we give you 10000000 blergs for them deal? What is even a blerg?

[@tonyknievel2223]

I think that was isaac's point anyways

[@FragmentedAttention]

Has anyone suggested that humans are isolated because of concerns that we might be like a virus and difficult to contain once we get off planet and into space?

[@alanlesirima8]

Hey Isaac. If you heart this I'll love you forever.

[@diyeana]

Lies. You'll love him anyway.

[@tonyknievel2223]

😂

[@JosephKeenanisme]

Thanks Isaac, have seen the video before but working on a world building project for an RPG setting that incorporates the zoo hypothesis. Even on your shorter videos you have at least 2 or 3 times where's there's an "I gotta remember that" moment to either mess around with keep grounded in realty. Some times you feel a little Expanse other times you feel a little Dr Who.

[@NightRunner417]

Imagine a nearby radio capable civilization camped out on "Earth TV" 24-7 ripping all the scraps of our various technologies that we happen to televise. A noisy civilization can theoretically easily distort the development of other civilizations just by talking to themselves openly about their world.

[@benediktgeierhofer4146]

What if we are no zoo but a intergalactic reality show?

[@jamesgalloway6056]

"maintaining something like that for millions of years is a rather dubious affair"

[@zappababe8577]

I often think that any alien civilisation trying to keep us from finding out about them might even alter our perception, so that we see the speed of light as this unsuperable barrier to space travel and communication. They could do anything like that, and make space travel seem much harder than it actually is.

[@sharkylpd4]

Time to learn. Thank you sir.

[@goodsocksproductions9397]

I always think it's kinda weird how when people discuss aliens, they usually still use words like "resent" or "moral high ground," assuming that the alien races would operate under the exact same emotions, rationals, and social constructs as humans

[@Robert-dB]

If you look into it many of these emotional constructs are artifacts of probability and statistics. With evolutionary problems like the prisoners dilemma and other things were an animal needs an answer now but doesn't have enough information for a rational decision. One of the good things about this channel is that they do try to distinguish between things that just seem rather random and things where you can see rather solid reasons for aliens to "feel" that way. Isaac's note about curiosity being linked to technology for example.

[@whtbobwntsbobget]

I laughed soooo hard at the aliens looking in the earth habitat at the beginning. That was SO funny!

[@gregorykrajeski6255]

In a zoo the animals can see us. We're more of a petri dish.

[@llamallama1509]

More of a nature reserve

[@MR3DDev]

Nice to see the graphics are improving :)

[@calvingreene90]

Clearly a better run zoo than North Sentinel Island.