The final core OC of the Ryzen 5 3600 on the MSI X570 Tomahawk

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[@igingmd19]

im actually willing to change my concept and definition of short and long for this type of content.

[@no-trick-pony]

The thing with cooling is, if you buy a good air cooler, you will run it for the next couple of CPUs for the next 10+ years. Noctua and other manufacturers did a good job of providing new brackets for coolers bought in the past in the last couple of years.

[@Karan_HDS]

Buildzoid: "so the cooling system costs as much as the cpu. I think it's dumb to do that" Me: cries in not yet assembled custom loop.

[@liamcooper5202]

He knows not the joy or beauty of a custom loop. I too am in the same boat as you. I can justify a 3600 and custom loop that i could 3700 and aio. But i dislike aios anyway 🤣

[@BlaZebura]

*sweats in Z73 cooling a 3600*

[@LunarLaker]

@@BlaZebura laughs in x63 + 3700x for $30 less and equal thermal perf

[@Okararu]

*Laughs in dark rock pro 4 on an 3600x*

[@cswells212]

"hopefully this will be a quick video, but we all know how that goes" LMAO. keep doing your thing man, love your vids

[@daxtonrhett5690]

Instablaster...

[@AgentLokVokun]

11:18 -- If you click RESTART + holding SHIFT ... You are able to enter the bios thru the troubleshooting / uefi submenus.

[@twinjuke]

Brilliant material. Would you do that for a 3900X with an MSI board too? (like with Ace or Unify)

[@metecetin231]

how did you know i wanted to see this video? Just finished watching your "VRM Analysis: MSI's X570 Tomahawk May Become Go-To OC Board" video :D

[@shawnpitman876]

He has access to your cellphone's microphone >=]

[@tarfeef_4268]

I see the LTT 1usmus video went from floatplane to KZbin recently, based on these comments. I'd like to see the binning information it has available in bios, that'd be useful (I don't care much for software that has the fun for me, and generally hate installing things at all).

[@pedromelxd]

Thank you! You will the test ClockTuner for Ryzen by 1usmus?

[@UltraDXSASC]

What about a vídeo undervolting it and trying to get the highest score?

[@kennet7323]

What 32gb memory kit would would you recommend, for being able to do about 3800mhz cl16 24/7 on the x570 Tomahawk?

[@danibot3000]

I see the old BIOS UI in the video - how come? I thought it was pushed out a while ago? I want the graphical UI back too!

[@paolomiguelclacio2715]

Hi will my clocks be stable if I apply this using b450 tomahawk max? Same processor and with aio cooler

[@samghost13]

Hello! I saw your video with that Vega GPU. I was thinking about to buy a defect Vega for cheap and hopefully repair it (with all the tricks and gadgets possible). Would you recommend that? Thank you very very much for all! You really Rock that Hardware/Software and all the ... between ; )

[@Atreea]

i wonder which voltage should one trust in hwinfo, cause my 3600 on the b450gt3 needs +0.18 offset for 4.3ghz and in hwinfo vcore says 1.275 while vid & svi2 tfn shows 1.1 , because im legit confused

[@wolfgangchristl9978]

You should do a max oc compararition of the top tier B550s, that would be interesting. Wanted to see how the taichi fares.

[@myarth]

Hi Buildzoid. I am having 3700x and what worked for me is to leave clock on auto, but put llc mode 7 and reduce voltage on core by -0.1125. I have slightly better scores in cinebench but my temperature dropped by 10-15 degrees in prime95.

[@TheHagentoft]

Think I've seen most of your Ryzen 2 OC clips and you keep mentioning that enabling VR 12VIN OCP Expander most often wouldn't yield any performance gains, would it yield any gains for say a 3900X? Tried googling but not found anything as elaborate as I'd prefer :)

[@ChinatownG]

My ryzen 3600 on x570tuf hit 4.4GHZ @ 1.280v, is that a good chip? Or newest enhanced sillicon? Bought it 2 months ago

[@fernandoolezza]

hi bullzoid, amazing content, i use this as a guide for my 3600. although mine is and early model, so its not that good as yours. im using the exact same config but 4.25 and it works in cinebench (4789 in r20 with 3600mhz cl16) but in prime95 always the 5th worker fails that and the 9th. all others work good. if i lower to 4.2 all of them works, but the 5th fails again after 2 minutes. its the only one failing, looks like the week ccx to me. what do you suggest i should do?

[@andrewlawrence5299]

Probably nothing. Zen 2 sucks @ OC. You likely got some bad silicon.

[@Targetlockon]

Thoughts on 1usmus Overclocking and undervolting program?

[@vladvah77]

It'll ONLY get better in 2021!

[@SamurajpoSrcu]

MSI Tomahawk vs MSI Unify vs Asus Hero VIII... which one would you choose for AMD 5900x build and why?

[@xclusivereef5805]

HI do you have OC setting for a Ryzen 7 5800x on MSI B550 board?

[@jacopozenomoscardo1604]

is it normal to run a 3600 at 4.475GHz with less than 1.3V stable?

[@nikolaoskozas8419]

What do you think of the x570 Tomshawk now thst youve used it? And how does it stack up to the Unify?

[@UltraDXSASC]

Same thing.

[@igoresque]

according to per core oc description in my x370 taichu bios, all the power saving stuff keeps working with per core oc

[@ziggyziggler]

Do you think people will test intels new support for PEG/DMI overclocking on 10th gen for the new gpus that are supposed to be limited by gen 3 speeds? Or rather could you do a content piece about overclocking pcie lanes on z490??

[@Chuckles..]

New to over clocking and had this mb and chip bundle for a week now. Wraith Stealth is on it's way to the closet as soon as new parts arrive. In the mean time I swapped top case fan from exhaust to intake positioned further back on the case directly over cooler. Avg cpu temp while not under load dropped 5* with same ambient room temp. Almost fell out of my chair.

[@nesk62]

What's your ambient room temperature?

[@penningtonlfc]

buildzoid please do update of this board with new zen 3,hope you have good xmas :)

[@tiiiger9221]

Hey guys how's the temp on your 3600 i have a 280mm aio on it and its running at like 72c in aida64 at least thats what it says in the ryzen master but when i check the temp on hwinfo the tdie is at 80c which is kinda weird since its running stock and its running at 1.32v at least that's whattit says not really sure how accurate that is

[@bmarkx2595]

the last time i was this late the buildzoid was still overclocking ryzen 3600.

[@TheJimminiShow]

My custom loop has fittings that cost more than a 280 mm EVGA CLC!. But it allows me to run 4.4 GHz all day. Only under extreme loads does it even hit 60° c. Now I'm actually going to try to do a real overclock. This was just a dirty overclock I did to get up and running. My system is a R5 3600 with a ROG B450F gaming motherboard, 32 gigs of course air vengeance pro RGB RAM 3200 megahertz or clock to 3600 megahertz and the previously mentioned custom loop cooler with 600 mm of radiator. Just for the CPU. I used this computer to test older GPUs so the GPU loop was omitted

[@Hellbryan1]

Laughs in Noctua nh-d15

[@Enihel]

Hello, @Actually Hardcore Overclocking is it worth keeping memory F4-3600C16D-16GTZR 4x8 16-16-16-36 B-die (single) ? i bought 5900x and tomahawk x570... and got on stock settings even without XMP (2133mhz) whea errors... especialy when i run prime..:( Checked memtest no issues with memmory.. and now i don't know what to do wait for new bios look for other MB or change ram... Ah and linpack is not able to run at all - hardware error detected..

[@Pirxel]

did I get a golden chip? I'm doing 4.55ghz all core at 1.375v - I'm using a 360 AIO but still... 1762 on cinebench r15 so not much of a score advantage there...

[@Sodaexe]

how can a 65 w chip pull 120 - 140 watt and not burn ? i dont get it ,mine does the same .

[@redogg2749]

I've managed to get 4.4ghz @1.3v vdrop goes to 1.29v. LLC lvl 3. under load 75c. Is that good? Or should I go back to 4.2ghz...i don't wanna fry my chip lol

[@mikereece964]

Last comment 9 months ago... That's ok.Watched both your videos on overclocking several times. Getting a baseline without oc will help determine your cpu core voltage ⚡ using cinebench .Understanding your ppo limits,and setting this is also key.You want to control these settings based on the CPU running into a current or voltage situation.Finally, understand how the mode settings affect vdroop .Thank you so much bro.Feel confident about dialing in settings now :-)

[@timwal1682]

I run my 3600x at all core 4.4@ 1.3v 24/7 haven't had any issues sofar prime 95 temps 85c ,gaming around 58c-62c max. Do u think 1.3v is tomuch for all core ?

[@scottstamm7022]

Have you tested the new 1usmus overclocking/undervolting setup?!

[@kaitoharrison872]

I think it is still in alpha. He only give access to LTT for now.

[@scottstamm7022]

@@kaitoharrison872 I didn't know that. I can't wait, but my PC is packed up to move in a few weeks.

[@pedropablofortes4629]

So based on the last portion of the video, stability and importance of workload, currently I have 4.4 @1.2785v as "stable" with 128k FFTs, ran for a few hours no errors. Previously had 4.5 @ 1.2875 and ran it for 2 weeks no issues in daily use until I tried 128k FFTs on Prime and that threw errors, now stuck between leaving at 4.4 or 4.5, just looking for feedback from others. Was using the computer mainly for excel (work) (large datasets and macros) and gaming. Stay at 4.4 or move onto 4.5?

[@mesaber86]

@@pedropablofortes4629 bench it and see if it matters for you. Check fps in games if it gives significantly higher fps. Most likely not.

[@kennethhicks2113]

@@pedropablofortes4629 4.4

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

Is that a GT 210? I just took apart my roommates "gaming" PC that had that same Asus weird passive heatsink on the gpu it lol. Along with an FX6300. Also, I use a cheaper Deepcool 240mm aio for my 3600. PBO no manual OC. Noise reasons. That stock cooler isn't garbage but the aio is under 100 bucks and it's whisper quiet.

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

2:06 can you post those?

[@teddyoflove5897]

Hi, maybe its possible you make same kind of video with this same motherboard and 5900x? I tried the same aproach on my 5900x to find stable voltage, found that under full load it runs 1.27v max with droops to 1.25v. So i set my voltage at 1.27V and all cores clock at 5.6ghz, got booted and running cinebench perfect with 22400score on average (21000 stock). However when i run prime 95 it crashes instantly. Maybe there is something from you video i am missing, but strange thing i noticed that with voltage override at 1.27v when running cinebench it drops to 1.15v and thats strange does mode 6 LLC does this huge drop? Temperatures are fine, when stock with PBO it runs 83c at Cine and when with 1.27v override runs 75c

[@thekids_callmeboss6577]

The final settings are pbo + manual oc?

[@ailolen3954]

BZ, can you check if you also have this anomaly, when you OC per CCX on your CPU, HWinfo64 shows CPU Core VId (effective) at 1.1v all the time ? It only does then when u OC per CCX. My CPU core voltage is set @1.350, and effective should be above that. But at the sema time it does not seem to have any effect on the actual OC, even @ 1.1v.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the VID voltage doesn't mean anything. The only sensor worth looking at is SVI2 TFN

[@michaelkrzyzek105]

Hey i have a question. I am pretty NEW to the Section of overckocking. I have a r5 3600x on a msi x570 gaming edge wifi and I can not find VDDG CCD/IOD Voltage control mode to put it o synchronous. I am on the Newest bios Version. Curious about all other msi boards habe this Option to select. I would apreciate every help I can get. Thank a Lot

[@thekids_callmeboss6577]

2 options AMD overclocking Cpu advanced configuration

[@mick2d2]

It can be worth spending a bit extra on a decent cooling solution, for the overclock, the reduced noise (that's a biggy for me), and also because, with a bit of luck, they can last for a long time, and you can reuse them with other CPUs. I've used one system with three heavily overclocked CPUs.

[@theoldone22]

I do have a $100 "AIO" with a R5 3600 however it is the alphacool eisbaer expandable one and I have a gigabyte 2080s waterforce on it too (as well as the $90 second Radiator). Also I plan to upgrade to the 3900 replacement next year.

[@TheDude50447]

Ah its the Actually casual overclocking channel ;)

[@strik3r100]

Hey can you make a video about the 3700x ? can't reach 4.3Ghz (or more). I lose workers in Prime95. Or are these similar settings to the 3600?

[@xuyukun123]

I got 4.4 on my 3600 with 1.375v, max temps around 84

[@frqgrenade]

I'm currently running all core 4,4 ghz at 1,2v on air cooler. Bought mine in December 2020 and I suspect later batches have much better silicone.

[@MaximumCarter]

I've got an i5 4690k at 4.3ghz, 1.25v on a hyper 212 evo lol. I know it's old and I didn't win the "silicon lottery" but I'll take it while waiting on the new Ryzen to release.

[@jeffie8696]

Not sure what stock cooler you are referring to , the stock cooler for the 3600 is the "Wraith Spire" which is a normal lump of metal and the "Wraith Prism" is for the 3700 which is a heat tube style cooler

[@datdittybop5573]

hey buildzoid, i just recently put together a build with a 3600x b550 tuf board GTX1080 FE 1900fclk 3800mhz cl16 ccx OC. got 4034 on cinebench R20. its been neat learning these new chips from your videos. cant wait to upgrade to something higher in the future. Thanks!!

[@datdittybop5573]

cinebench runs at 1.28v maxes 84c in p95

[@TheBackyardChemist]

If you want an alternative stress test for AMD, try Y-cruncher, some of the tests get quite hot, others hammer the memory.

[@SUSHI4lyf]

Hello. First time builder here. Can someone please clarify if I should mix PBO and manual OC'ing? Or we only need to do one or the other? Which is better just daily driver usage?

[@thekids_callmeboss6577]

That part I'm confused about. In this video he used pbo with manual oc or I'm wrong?

[@tober1995]

Does this mean you got a bad chip? I have a 3600 on the prism like you did before. 1.35v with level 8 llc, 1400mv 100% stable prime 95 on 128 gets to 90c top over an hour. Pretty sure with a better cooler id get 4500 easy

[@cgctorrag]

Totally worth the time for 6% over PBO results!!!

[@taza99]

My 3600 gets around 1670 on R15, and it's 4.2ghz. However, it's running on 1.43 volts. How.

[@UnrealVideoDuke]

I wonder if the fan ever spins on the heatsink on top of the MSI X570 chipset? I worry about my MSI X570-A Pro. Is there any utility to test this?

[@VeritronX]

it depends on how much data is flowing through the chipset. only sata drives in a 25C room? probably never turns on. reading lots of data from an nvme drive or two through it? you'll probably hear the fan after a bit.

[@dilonwalton1305]

I was watching in fullscreen and was like wtf my pc is restarting.

[@sssonho]

only 28min. monkaS . i hope he is feeling good,

[@Safetytrousers]

Is Buildzoid going to go into meltdown when the 3090 PCB pictures arrive?

[@Paddydapro]

Hey Buildzoid, I have a 3900x running on a asus crosshair vii hero (wifi) and my very good bdie ran at 3733 cl13 on the beginning then had to turn it down to cl14 and now I have to run it at 3600 cl15 to boot it but what's strange is nothing changed at all I was not on this pc for like half a month or so and it bootlooped just like that.. also when i set cl15 15 15 it changes to cl16 15 15 in windows, wtf is wrong with this board? tried increasing dram voltage from 1,35 in 0,01 steps all the way to 1,5V but made no difference somehow on stability even more bdie is more stable at lower voltage because of temps but even on a cold day it won't run cl14 that's what's strange :/

[@TeamTDU]

your cpu could be degrading. what's your core, io, and sa voltages?

[@wintejr]

@Buildzoid if my main focus was to have fun OCing ram and playing around with light OC for cpu on Ryzen 3000, what would be the best board for this In your opinion?

[@JeoshuaCollins]

Seconded. My MB is terrible and doesn't even have voltage settings. I would love to know if any of the B550m boards out there are BZ recommended.

[@shawnpitman876]

@@JeoshuaCollins Gee maybe you could check his videos then? Where he has videos with his thoughts on motherboards?

[@JeoshuaCollins]

@@shawnpitman876 gee maybe you could not be a dick about it.

[@shawnpitman876]

@@JeoshuaCollins Nah, when twits like you just want him to personally answer your questions over and over you need to be told off. He makes videos like those just so he doesn't need to answer people asking him the same question 10,000 times, but then fools like you still insist on doing it.

[@racerex340]

@@shawnpitman876 Because they're not looking for the details. The TLDR generation is a cancer to a knowledge society.

[@madcatattack1]

Im glad you finally learned how bad the prism cooler is ;) Actually it's not bad at what it's deigned to do which is guarantee your chips advertised on-the-box performance and if you get anything over than that then lucky for you.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

Ryzen 3600 user checking in with my custom loop =D

[@DivisionGrounds]

Does this work for the 5600x

[@fandomkiller]

is occt still useful?

[@Benri05]

One thing I noticed is the 0.052v vdroop, seems like all MSI boards have massive vdroops. I'm using an MSI b450 Mortar Max and it has a vdroop of 0.075v while my friend has an Asus b450 tuf pro-ii and literally has like 0.015v of vdroop under stress tests.

[@NJcinemaHD]

my r5 3600 runs 4,5ghz all core on 1.25V fully stable on a 40$ aircooler (b450m mortar max). Guess i got a really good sample^^

[@federicobossio2480]

So actually I put hands on an Arctic Liquid Freezer (not the II, the older one) for free and I put it on my R5 3600. I ended up with pretty much the same overclock, with the only difference I could use a touch less voltage (I have an MSI X470 Gaming pro max). I see a maximum of 77C under AIDA64 with a silent fan profile, I guess it's kinda okay. Final Vcore was 1.325 V, LLC Mode 6 (it goes down to 1.294/1.3 under heavy load) with CCX0 at 4.325 Ghz and CCX1 at 4.3 Ghz (I'm thinking about backing down CCX0, the gain is almost none). Think I have to be satisfied with this oc, even if I was a bit worried about 7nm degradation, I guess it'll last enough till the next upgrade.

[@jackoneill84]

I have a 280 AIO for my 3600 but it was a third the price of the cpu. In my market an AIO with 3600 is still cheaper than buying just a 3700x. In my case I lucked out and have a daily 4.4Ghz OC so I can match 3700x single core even if I still lose out in multicore. Also I'm planning on buying something more powerful down the road.

[@user-jn7uv8st1n]

Actually Hardcore Overclocking if its possible ,what memory you suggest for my setup !? i just want xmp enable not tune manual ... My specs are R5 3600 , b550m mortar , kingston predator ddr4 3000 2*8GB 16-17-17-36 , rx570 at first i purchase that memory with the ryzen 2600 in mind but i decided go for the 3600 , for that reason i have this memory in this setup ... im looking for this two ... its good way to go !? www.gskill.com/product/165/184/1536113464/F4-3600C16D-16GVK-Overview www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-28800c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

[@sp00n]

On my Ryzen 1700x Linpack Xtreme used to draw significantly more power than Prime95 (around 10 Watt more CPU Package Power), but on my Ryzen 5900x it's just about equal with P95. I don't know if that's because P95 became better (they changed some stuff for the torture test in the last couple versions and I can't remember which version I originally did my testing on), or if the internal structure of the new Ryzen processors is just too "good" for Linpack. Linpack Xtreme did have some problems with Ryzen 3000, which was fixed by version 1.1.3, and then again with Ryzen 5000, where it produced "hardware failures", which were false positives. Support for Ryzen 5000 was fixed in the latest 1.1.5 version of Linpack Xtreme (which I helped push out by beta testing), but it's still just on par with Prime95 on my system. OCCT also has a Linpack stress test, but after the initial memory allocation for each iteration it drops down from 100% core load to something less (1-2 cores just seem to quit) for their 2019 implementation of Linpack. The 2012 one does run at 100% continuously, but uses much less power, probably due to some missing AVX(2?) instructions. And then there's LinX, which apparently now has completely dropped their AMD support for newer processors due to the incompatibilities. At least if you can trust Google translating the Korean page.

[@techluvin7691]

Without having Ryzen Master, you can figure out your strongest core by looking at the individual core temps in hwinfo. The two lowest under load will be your strongest cores

[@areastudiopropcgaming8674]

Please check B550 strix F gaming. I often confuse how to OC Asus bios.

[@UltraDXSASC]

Then study a little more.

[@Fostravel]

Bought a noctua nh-d15 about 4 builds ago and never bought another head sink. Noctua sends me the brackets for free when I purchase a new cpu/board (I switched from Intel last year). Sometimes, it is worth it to pay more for a heat sink no matter what cpu you pick.

[@TecnoPazos]

hello i have a intel i5-9600k oc to 4.6ghz 1.224v override, MSI z390 gaming pro carbon and gskill trident z RGB 2400 cl 15 15 15 35 OC To 3000 CL 14 17 17 34 1.35v (chips HYNIX) PCH a 1.048 VCCIO a 0.957v VCCSA a 1.055v is 100% stable at 3000mhz cl 14 17 17 34 i want up to 3600-4000mhz for daily use, what is the safe voltage for my rams?? 24/7 my english is bad, sorry thanks!

[@wimpievanzyl3699]

VCCIO and VCCSA can safely run around 1.2V daily. The DRAM voltages you should be able to push safely to 1.4V daily but make sure you have decent airflow over the RAM at all times. You can push to 1.5V but rather not go over 1.4V.

[@gauthamrhinox]

I have almost the exact same overclock on my R5 3600. 4.4GHz and 1.325V in the BIOS, 1.275-1.281V under load. Prime95 and Blender stable. I'm using a Hyper 212 LED cooler, so the temps are just ok. More than enough for daily use. I'm pretty happy with the chip and the overclock. My friend has a 3600X with a similar overclock (4.4GHz + 1.3V). He got the 3600X for the same price as a 3600 (don't know how), so not a complete waste of money I guess.

[@i.n.7978]

Its a very reasonable oc what you done. Your chip is better than my chip. Im run my 3600 on a prime x370 pro on 4.2ghz with 1.325v set, llc4. This allows to droop until 1.312 in prime95 ver29.8 small fft avx. Im using a Deepcool Assassin 3, and believe me, on ryzen, there IS NO overkill cooling. Also, a good cooler (not certanly an AIO, but a decent air cooler) can serve you for a decade. For example, you can use it for even the 10th gen Intel lineup :D Thank you for the vid!

[@QuaK3RRR]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking why ive almost zero vdroop even with LLC6 on a B450 Tomahawk ? Am i doing something wrong ?

[@racerex340]

Settings?

[@pf100andahalf]

On an msi b450 gaming plus max I didn't have enough vdroop with 6 so I set it to LLC7 instead. Try 8 too.

[@shawnpitman876]

Some boards have their Vdroop settings opposite of the way his is set up. Some have 1 being the max, and some have 8 being the max, try using 2 and see if you get a bunch of droop (but put the voltage at something not too high first in case it overshoots, just make sure you actually get the droop)

[@t3rminator777]

I am using Cooler master T400 with my Ryzen 5 3600. I get temps not higher than 80 degrees in playing Apex legends which normally pushes CPU to its limit. This temp goes for both in Precision boost and Auto OC I did lately for a week. In PB I get 4200Mhz all cores and in Auto OC I get 4300Mhz all core. And as I said same temp range. Although I didnt like this cooler master T400 contact surface which wasnt smooth and I did some lapping also. And I got good results. Before this I was reaching 85 again.

[@cosmin.mic7]

After watching your videos, I managed to get my 3700x to 4.25 Ghz @ 1.255 V. For 4.3 Ghz it needs 1.295 V - 1.3 V, but i`m very happy with temps @ 1.255 V (~7C less than 1.3V). Better performance than AUTO @ --10C. (~4050 Mhz @ Auto in Cinebench with 240 water cooler)

[@Ironclad17]

A good cooler like a good psu, will get use long after your motherboard is EOL.

[@adamsonntag5755]

Sweet! A quick 28 minutes.😎

[@kirankarthick4604]

What happens if 1.2 V and keeping llc at 4 and 4200mhz. My question why not keep llc 4 at 1.3, why allow vdroop

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the Vdroop helps with stability.

[@kennethhicks2113]

BZ is correct but here's why, as the cpu goes under load it draws more current. More current will drop voltage at the cores. Vdroop helps compensate for this by actually increasing VRM output voltage to maintain a more consistent voltage at the actual cores thus allowing stability. BZ likely has a vidy on it, but there's more detail out there if you want to learn more.

[@enacku]

Hey Buildzoid, I am having a WEIRD ISSUE. I have the x570 Tomahawk and the 3600 cpu. I can CCX or all core overclock cpu in bios 42.25x, can benchmark cinebench and prime95 with OC settings no problem good temps using 280mm AIO. As soon as I open or exit a game like Warzone or Doom Eternal, my overclock reverts back to "auto" settings, cpu no longer at my OC settings, cpu all cores goes down and vcore goes up, huge lack of performance. When I reboot my bios settings are still as I set, everything fine again till I open a game. Can you help me out Buildzoid or test this out??? I feel ripped off or found a bug? This happened on current and previous bios!!!!

[@racerex340]

This is just in Windows and you notice it when you open HWINFO64? What do your thermals look like when you exit a game? This sounds like a Windows power management issue, try enabling / disabling "game mode". Also, a long-shot but double check all of your CPU/GPU power cabling. It's possible that something isn't getting enough power/voltage when both the CPU and GPU are loaded.

[@enacku]

@@racerex340 I set manual OC settings in bios. When I boot up windows, HWiNFO shows my cores at 4,225mhz and vcore at 1.33 as its set in bios. If I run prime95 or cinebench, the settings stay the same and it performs as configured settings. My temps are great, 30 minutes of prime95 and temps max at 75c. This pulls around 105 - 125w in cpu power package, more than games will ever use. I was thinking it could be something related to software in windows as I've used Ryzen Master, but have uninstalled/reinstalled to try and fix issue. I will check the windows power manager next, thank you for the tips, this is driving me crazy as stock 6 core settings will not allow me to game/stream properly, cpu hits 100%

[@racerex340]

@@enacku I would definitely try disabling Windows game mode as a first step. Game mode helps 80% of people that buy laptops and pre-built PC's, as it prioritizes CPU/GPU resources while keeping power and thermals down for games, but it also does so by lowering the clock frequency and is not streaming aware, so while a game like Apex might run just fine if you aren't streaming with Window Game mode enabled, it's not like Game mode is OBS aware. Disable game mode, update MB BIOS. There are other Win10 power management settings that you can disable but every major update of Windows 10 has resulted in more of those settings being hidden / removed, do some googling, there are registry / GP tweaks to restore power management configuration options so you can make changes.

[@enacku]

@@racerex340 Turning game mode off didn't work. I discovered my vcore was set to "AMD overclock" because whenever I set it to 1.3v "Override" I could never get the vcore to show up what I set it at, would be 1v - 1.1v.... Couldn't boot when cpu multiplier was set to my OC. So I went in to another advanced bios setting for manual CPU overclocking, put in 1330 and that was the actual spot in the bios which controls override vcore, not the front page of "OC Settings" That is very confusing and maybe bug. I thought this might fix settings being reverted back to "auto" after I launch/close Warzone/Doom Eternal, but It didn't work. Buildzoid is using the 1st bios when doing his OC, wonder why he hasn't upgraded and maybe that will fix my issue? Would hate to go back to original launch bios. ughhhh

[@racerex340]

@@enacku could be, I'll check the BIOS of my daughters MSI X570 board later when I can throw her off of gaming for 10 minutes and see which BIOS version we're running and if hers does the same thing. She's running the only MSI board in the house, my rig is Gigabyte and the wifes are Asus and Asrock.

[@wideback4553]

Can someone show me a simple.OC because I don't have this motherboard? I have a peerless assasin cooler though. Just bought this chip used cause that's all I can afford right now. 4.3? 4.4? Pbo on off?

[@cellanjones28]

i have a ryzen 5 3600 with a H115I 280 cooling it lol mine runs the same stable at 4.3 because of the cooler before that it wouldn't run cinebench ( i haven't tried to change the voltage)

[@johannstephan96]

I get nearly the same performance with the be quiet Dark Rock 4 Pro aircooler. 4,25GHz @1,325V -> R15 1694 max temp 68°C (double run)

[@Mo7sho]

i oc r5 3600 to 4.325mhz and the voltage is 1.2785v is that good ? its very stable for me

[@HarishGovindarajSanthakumari]

That's really awesome. You got great chip! And do you check the scores and temps?

[@NOMADCREATIVESOLUTIONS]

My 3600 in a good case with good airflow with a Vetroo V5 does 4.45ghz all core @ 1.38V at 85C

[@Targetlockon]

x570 Tomahawk vs x570 Aorus elite or master motherboard?

[@racerex340]

If you're considering the Aorus master, you're willing to spend over $350. Why get the Master when the Aorus Ultra is basically the same board, same 12+2 VRM's, same 3 x PCIe m.2 gen4, same wireless chipset and audio for under $300. From what I can tell, the only differences are that the master includes 2.5gbit and 1gbit LAN and includes an Aurus Wi-Fi antenna. Instead of a 2.5gbit LAN port, the Aurus Ultra includes an additional PCIe gen4 x4 slot, which I feel is more useful as you could put a 10Gb NIC in that slot if desired.

[@danishblunt9698]

@Buildzoid You shouldn't say that about the cooling, while you're 100% right about the cooler price not being worth for the CPU, it still performs roughly on par with big boy aircoolers such as the scythe ninja 5 which cost new around 40-50bucks while used even less. I think when it comes to OC you should always use the 280mm AIO as people who are interested in OC would defnitely go and purcahse something like the scythe ninja 5 :)

[@MadSupra354]

My May batch 3600 gets 4.3GHz at 1.256v but it was pulling 153 EDC and hitting 95° :( Figured it wasn't safe so I'm back at stock.

[@enacku]

have you tried using it in game? my 3600 OC's fine but opening a game will revert the overclock back to "auto" or "PBO" you can see this in HWiNFO

[@steamedcream7671]

My current overclock is 4.2 Ghz @1.27 volts. I was stable at 4.3 @1.294 volts but temps were really starting to get a bit out of hand with Prime 95. I'm using a Asrock B450 pro 4 board which does not have LLC (voltage drops to 1.23 in prime 95) and has pretty meh power delivery (close to 90 degrees in prime). Cooler is a 212 EVO so I've decided to caution on the safer side with just a 4.2 Ghz OC. I'll be moving the build to a NR200 SFF PC in the next few months so maybe with a good ITX board and a better cooler I'll see if I can get acceptable temps at 4.3 Ghz or beyond. Great video btw. It's always nice to see other people's OC results.

[@burntjoint]

Im currently running manual all-core 4.4 Ghz @ 1.25v. I was able to get it stable at 4.5, but it required 1.35v and the fractional performance gain wasnt worth it to me. I'm using a noctua NH-D15 and max temps are 75 deg in P95 and 65 deg in R20. CPU: R5 3600 Mobo: X570 Aorus elite wifi Cooler: NH-D15

[@steamedcream7671]

@@burntjoint 4.4 Ghz @1.25v is a pretty damn good OC. I'm thinking you got yourself a fantastic chip there. I'll run my chip through the paces again once I've picked up a better motherboard and cooler. I'm leaning towards the U12A cooler as it's about the tallest thing you can fit into the NR200.

[@shamimarch]

Can i safely run 3700X from ryzen master at 4 Ghz @ 1.2 Volt ? Is there any down side ? I'm looking for reduce temp, boost sightly better m.core performance .

[@steamedcream7671]

I'd think you could probably drop the voltage even further for a 4.0 Ghz OC, but it really all comes down to your specific chip. 1.2 Volts is completely safe on ryzen 3000 chips btw. From what I've read, 1.35 volts is about the highest you really want to ever run these chips at although keeping them under 1.325 volts is probably a safer bet for 24/7 use.

[@shamimarch]

@@steamedcream7671 , do you advise for me ? My room ambient temperature 🌡️ 37 C. I have to run 3ds max rendering program at least 4 hr daily. That utilizy all core 💯 percent load. As, room , case & cooler is bad. I have no knowledge about oc. I just wanted to use ryzen master & can change volt , lock 🔐 frequency.

[@steamedcream7671]

@@shamimarch For your specific situation, I'd get the volts as low as possible as you initially suggested. 37 C ambient is extremely warm, so shooting for 1.2 volts or below sounds like a very good idea. How are your stock temps when running 3ds max? 1.2 volts is technically a pretty hefty undervolt compared to stock, so I'd think temps should probably be a bit better than stock.

[@shamimarch]

@@steamedcream7671 stock temp is 79 C & with 1.2 V @4 ghz is between 73 to 75 c.

[@steamedcream7671]

@@shamimarch Pretty darn solid improvement there. I wonder if you can go even lower than 1.2 volts, but your temps already are completely acceptable so it very well may not be worth the tinkering effort.

[@TheDoorsHK21]

The FX-9590 that's powering my rig laughs at your voltage as I type this

[@raddysurrname7944]

username doesn't check out .-.

[@TheDoorsHK21]

@@raddysurrname7944 my Core 2 Duos laugh as well

[@visrupt]

1.33v for 4.3ghz? Dang my friend might have won the lottery. I oc’ed her 3600 to 4.3ghz with 1.275v and it’s stable as a rock. It was a lazy overclock though so I didnt really monitor the actual voltage on hwinfo and just took note of the temps while benchmarks where running, 70’s when underload, mid 40’s at idle.