The Finn Mckenty Situation (He Responded?!)

[@NikNocturnal]

Comment your thoughts below or I'll start to hate breakdowns and fun metal things

[@TomARowly]

I never liked watching KZbin videos anyway and I hit my watch time goals earlier this year so I've just stopped.

[@alpollol1079]

@@NikNocturnal why do I feel the need to deep fry cauliflower? Its literally preventing me from getting sleep

[@lucascerbasi4518]

@@NikNocturnal time for buildups and unfun metal things

[@HiroBrown]

Speaks volumes that Nik has made almost double the amount of videos that Finn has yet even through burnout and changing content ideas he is still around and having fun doing what he loves. There was definitely a disingenuous attitude in Finn’s videos after he got big and kept repeating the same topics and format even through all the hate and his fans not caring about what content he wanted to make. Cherry on top, any drama in his personal life that came to light (about his wife) I don’t know all the details but can see how he would want to leave because of people constantly talking about it. He definitely went about leaving the worst way possible by turning around and saying he doesn’t have any interest in music and did it all for the money. I would sometimes click on his videos if the thumbnail was enticing enough but eventually grew tired of his very objective view of any band or movement in music which would often contradict itself. I’m much more interested in content like Nik’s because he always looks for the positives and just wants the best for anyone in the scene

[@xavierwalko4175]

We found the one true poser who got Wyatt’s Metal and Fantano to actually agree.

[@steveurkel4561]

For someone from a marketing background, his interview was the worst thing he could've done for his brand

[@aWildNelby]

If he’s leaving YT and not posting videos anymore anyways, it is a smart way to continue to have people talking about you, therefore driving more views to both you and your previous videos.

[@bobbob-g8p]

@@aWildNelby they talk about him for a week. a week is nothing

[@Trepanation21]

@@aWildNelby Casuals always parrot this sentiment, but torpedo'ing your brand isn't going to "drive more views" when the fanbase is leaving and everybody new is hearing how much your content sucks from the community *_and_* from you telling them you made shit content.

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

Not really. He just showed how you can make a killing in a market that isn’t your passion. KZbin music channels are a small echo chamber, with many many other subject channels out there. You tube music channels aren’t the majority of KZbin like your algorithm makes you think. In marketing he’s gold for what he accomplished.

[@CaliKiid714]

True, but with how many videos he pumped out they'll just be regurgitated weekly to people's feed still. Especially if a band is trending for some reason.

[@UntilTheSilence]

How passionately he spoke about Refused and "The Shape of Punk to Come", there's no way he didn't care about it. And talking about punk and metal being an escape from his bad childhood. I just think he had a mental snap and now he's trying to distance himself.

[@MatthewMuhammad]

Yeah, I think he is coping. It's like when someone breaks up with a friend, and they say "it's fine, I never liked him anyway."

[@leifericson923]

Yeah, if he was truly faking it then it’s actually frightening how convincing he was.

[@DareBear2099]

He is clearly going through “Ego Death” which looks a lot like betrayal to most folks.

[@JustinFranke-y9w]

I agree I don’t think he read that on Wikipedia.

[@whosaidthat84]

I think he had passion once upon a time but he lost it many years ago. He just happened to have a lot to say on the matter.

[@jay-55X]

This actually makes me appreciate Nik more. It means a lot to have someone that is as genuine as he is in the metal scene.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Facts, I am so glad and thankful for Nik, I can't and couldn't say the same about the other guy obviously.

[@TheFreakazoid777]

Plot twist, he hates metal and all his music videos are just ADR’d while he’s mime playing the guitar.

[@mikekristin7201]

We better not find out he isn't really nocturnal

[@brennuvargr4638]

I'm not into metalcore at all, but I love watching Nik's videos, as he is a genuine and likeable character. :)

[@Werewolf914]

Let's hope that one day Nik doesn't disappear and say he never liked fun metal things

[@nathanross1460]

The thing I love about Nik is that he can be both silly goofy/fun metal things, but also fucking so genuine and positive, and I really appreciate the vibes I get. Nik makes me want to continue making music and get involved with the community.

[@honeybucket]

"I've been lying to everyone online since 2016, but now you can believe me!" - not the brightest bulb on the christmas tree.

[@mramisuzuki6962]

He’s technically been online since the late 90s doing this.

[@sole__doubt]

The phoniest one though.

[@travisspaulding2222]

Well that's the thing. People don't like being lied to. He is either lying about this, or he was lying about that. Either way, people will naturally be upset.

[@hunterlawless6160]

I don’t believe for a second that he “doesn’t have an interest in music” he just couldn’t handle the hate and the weird allegations about his wife’s age were catching up to him. He had to make it seem like he was “cool and too good for us” and that’s why he left.

[@Mr.Hassett]

I agree. "Never listened to System" is an absolute lie.

[@johnbutler7567]

How young is dudes wife??

[@Lost-in-Hades]

​@@johnbutler7567apparently he was in his 30s and she was underage when they met.

[@KevinQ25]

@@johnbutler7567he was in his 30s when he met his wife who was underage at the time. They started dating when she was 18. So there are grooming allegations

[@frippfink]

​@@johnbutler7567from what Ive heard from comments he was around 30 when his wife was 18, I do not know if they dated prior to her turning 18 but with ~15 age gap people find it creepy (rightly so)

[@the_faded_gooner]

He's the kid who gets broken up with for being an asshole, who then goes on to tell everyone that he did the breaking up and that he never even liked the girl to begin with.

[@daoyang223]

He even acts like it. Dudes 40. Married to a racist Asian girl of all things.

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

Perfect description lol he would unironically tell his friends "I just wanted pussy"

[@Taxevader-gk9ms]

but it was him doing the breaking up

[@nwerd7584]

No hes the full grown 30 something man grooming 16 year olds type of guy. Next step Ian Watkins.

[@Rnerdy197]

Yep like all anti-woke people he's got a childish mentality

[@thunderstruck560]

I'm grateful for Finn's content, he's made stuff i really like and introduced me to a lot of music i now love. I get being burnt out, but burning the bridges on the way out is insane.

[@justinliekhus3061]

I really liked his videos. It's crazy that he says that he just didn't care about it at all.

[@brandonthomsen8929]

I prefer fin over that trenches guy with the skull mask, always found that guy an ass, more than fin even.

[@bizmonkey007]

He posted a video a few months ago, basically admitting he was lost when it came to the direction of his channel and also that he was frustrated. I think he may be having some personal or mental issues that haven’t been revealed at this point. I hope the guy is doing okay

[@Je0s06]

Finn was a elitist and a poser at the same time incredible feat

[@trowabarton222]

He also claimed to like black metal while also saying black metal fans are all racist. This dude was quite impressive.

[@Je0s06]

@ he also said that he was really into Death Metal too I believe

[@Muziqizlyf]

Are you the same person whose said this on every video about finn mckenty

[@Je0s06]

@no this was the first time I commented on a video about this situation

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah, it's crazy, funny, and sad at the same time.

[@8troll9]

Pretty crazy for a guy who often say stuff like "I watched this band performs in the 90's back when they were no one" Every milisecond.

[@ashburncitystandup9707]

Exactly I don't believe 99% of that stuff. On the other hand I just don't know why you would lie about it?

[@unai49999]

​@@ashburncitystandup9707 for validation, maybe marketing... Maybe It felt like the most confortable job at the moment who knows

[@hclyrics]

Finn hardly ever knew what he was talking about. It bothered me that every single video he put out was full of misinformation and weird takes.

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

​@@ashburncitystandup9707Finn is also a hipster, so it's perfectly in line for someone like him to lie about these things.

[@jag-stang29]

@@ashburncitystandup9707to increase credibility so people keep watching him

[@JosephRivera588]

This is more sad than anything. Finn got out of doing a job he hated by… doing a job that he hated

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

This is so ironically funny but yeah.

[@valiantred]

Im mean ya but he chose to do it...

[@Sinistralitee]

that has gotta be a first, where a dude gives up a youtube career to pursue a professional career lmfao.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

@Sinistralitee That's not a first, funny, but not a first for sure.

[@Taxevader-gk9ms]

@@valiantred Probably because he was good at it

[@Old_Man_Medina_Gaming]

Finn unironically wearing a flatbrim flexing on LinkedIn is peak dystopia

[@twall91]

He’s really made a case for sucking the corporate D being all money money money at the end of the game… not very punk rock or even very cool in general though. He’s one of those people who has a family late in life and gives up on caring about how fucked up the system is and happily becomes its bitch.

[@KYLO_JEN]

With Emmure as S-tier on his metalcore tier list

[@bigsnacks913]

@@KYLO_JEN that's tough

[@JhamEntertainment]

Average LinkedIn behavior

[@sole__doubt]

My soul dies a bit every time I open the app or have someone ask me if Im on the app.

[@Joshcoshbagosh]

Unfortunately if you are job searching, the professional world kind of expects you to have a LinkedIn account

[@justified_edc]

Finn is coping so hard. He cared a lot and couldn’t handle his fans not liking his “money first” attitude about literally everything. He’s just jaded and trying to have a cool guy “I don’t actually care” moment

[@futuristic.handgun]

💯💯

[@KenjaTimu]

His Babymetal video was incredibly racist and cringe. He said no Japanese band has any talent whatsoever. That only perverts like any Japanese music which was clearly projection. He also said he never heard any Babymetal songs and he's basing it on what his friends told him.

[@ExarchGaming]

agreed, this was a big middle finger to a section of his community, i think the whole community is taking it like it was at them, but if you've watched him for a while there was this section of his community a lot of the nu-metal 2000s guys (like myself!) constantly shitting on him. There is no way he didn't care about music, he actually did come up in the hardcore scene. Maybe he's referencing the nu-metal stuff as the type of music he's not in to, or that doing PRMBA made him hate/dislike music in general. But he absolutely cared at one point or another, or he wouldn't have picked this niche. Not a lot of money here.

[@eatdaaaa9984]

The fact that people can't understand this from the way he's talking in this interview is baffling. I guess understanding the nuance in a situation is hard if you have less than 2 braincells

[@KenjaTimu]

@@eatdaaaa9984 I don't care what he says. I'm just here to dunk on him.

[@JCaleb]

The ending was the pièce de résistance, been saving that screenshot for more than 3 years. You're welcome for the laugh

[@803bmx7]

@@JCaleb I agree about Nik but didn't we think the same about Finn til this??

[@fbgmduck]

that shit is beautiful!

[@talentscoutreacts]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@chets7529]

what's wrong with this? i thought emmure is pretty good

[@fbgmduck]

@chets7529 you don't get it 🤦

[@TheStrykerProject]

I'm happy we still have folks like Nik and Tank and Herman and Glenn and Kohle and MANY others who, yes are "in it for the money", and are very passionate about their content/subject matter. The loss of a channel from someone who "didn't care" anyway is just not a big loss. 🤷🏻‍♂ Btw Nik, this year's Musician's Mansion is EXCELLENT this season! Thank you for going back for season 2.

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

I don't think any marketing bro would ever tell you to build up a brand for 6 years and then burn every bridge over just walking away.

[@sandy120]

That's actually a fair point. From a marketing perspective, this is amateur hour stuff. If he is still interested in marketing he's just labeled himself as "that poser that hates our fans" and not many people are going to be thrilled about working with him.

[@nemesis9410]

Why? He literally said he had a financial goal and he hit that goal. Why continue,m just for the sake of continuing?

[@sandy120]

@nemesis9410 he is still doing marketing, just not youtube. And one of the tennets of marketing is maintaining a network.

[@HIPPYLOCO]

@@nemesis9410 because that’s weirdo behavior, and the way he went about it was weird af.

[@anotherspaceboy]

He wants to show future clients that he can build their brand out of anything. “I don’t even LIKE music, and I built a successful brand.” If he admits his channel started out of authentic love for music, clients might be skeptical he can help them succeed with a different “product” than music.

[@Decrapitate]

Finn saying he wants positivity, but he was primarily putting out a good amount of negativity when I watched his content. The interview is that negativity turned up to the max. There’s no self reflection happening in what he does. The negativity is framed as someone else’s fault

[@do0mageddon-j8l]

All he did was spread negativity, why is surprised that is all he got back in return lol.

[@hrotha]

He would regularly give that speech about not liking or wanting negativity, then turn around and shit on every band he didn't like on Twitch/his secondary YT channel. It was weird (And I'm not even complaining about his shitting on all those bands and fandoms because he was usually funny about it, but it was certainly incongruous)

[@Paprokh]

He's a bullshit dude, almost like a brainrot negativity content most of the time made for the sensation and money.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

Sounds like every narcissistic middle class white boy ever

[@jimmy3261]

@@do0mageddon-j8l Other than teasing certain bands and fandoms in good fun (which I wouldn’t exactly call “spreading negativity”), what are some examples of him doing this? Or do you just feel THAT insulted by his personal opinions on music?

[@lalakuma9]

I think Nik has the best take on this situation so far. Even when you remove the alternative/metal scene out of the context, the main problem with Finn quitting his channel is that he's being a jerk and a hypocrite about it.

[@saldiven2009]

I mean, honestly, is him being a jerk in this any different than him being a jerk throughout the entirety of his channel's existence?

[@GeorgieB1965]

His last video seemed to me to be kind of "wtf?". He went on a rant about how today's music is boring and then a tangent comparing said music to a piece of art.

[@NormanAoneR]

Now waiting for "Strange History of Punk Rock MBA" video

[@TriFekt]

It's especially weird, because I distinctly remember in his video about Dillinger Escape Plan, he told stories about how excited he was to see them live. He's either completely lying about this now, or has been lying the entire time.

[@thethc4818]

Clearly the latter

[@austinpigza]

And his livestreams where he did tier lists or went through top 100 lists for hours... He was just bullshitting all of his rationales (which typically made some kind of sense) for every band? It's such a wild deep cover.

[@pattobyo]

I'm convinced it was word choice. He has liked music and made videos about stuff he was really into. But he also made videos just for views, which he was honest about. Of course I could be wrong, but he probably was excited to see Dillinger.

[@jayceorourke5672]

Nah, he obviously used to love music but now he's completely burnt out on it from all the negativity and wants nothing to do with it anymore.

[@trashpacker4500]

It seems obvious to me that him claiming to not have any interest in music at all is not true. He’s just really burnt out because people didn’t engage with his content by and large unless it was about mainstream bands. He has a lot of experience and knowledge about niche 90s hardcore that he clearly can nerd out about in a genuine way.

[@PS-dp8yg]

With somebody that has a Hatebreed and Morbid Angel tattoos, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't like music. He is probably at the age that he doesn't care anymore. I can understand his point of view because I used to be into music a lot in my younger years. Today, I really don't care much for it. Also, he was probably tired to cover genres or bands that he doesn't like that much. The genres that he liked or listened to didn't get the views as much the ones that people wanted him to cover.

[@roflc0re]

And images of him at Hardcore shows etc etc

[@CalebHimself]

He has two Hatebreed tattoos, he’s a hardcore guy through and through. Ofc he loves music, he’s prob just sick of the community but if he actually went to shows he’d see it’s great

[@marijohoon7127]

i saw a video where he shows a leg with a hatebreed tatoo, but honestly it's just a picture of a leg, it could be easily someone else's leg

[@teethgrinder83]

But you don't turn round and middle finger all the people who've contributed to helping him make the money that he has that's what bothers me the most (and I've only seen a few of his vids so I couldn't say I'm even a fan of his). He's made a very dick move imo by acting in the way he has. He could just as easily said "my passion in music isn't anything like it was, I've had enough of all the negativity, thank you to the people who've supported me I appreciate that a lot but I've had too much and it's time for me to move on". Something like that would have made much more sense

[@goat_horde]

He got busted grooming a child that he later got married to… this is why

[@wjackter]

It feels like he just burned out and can't process

[@sctkarter1111]

100% what it is. This is like every symptom of a crash out

[@travisspaulding2222]

It seems to me like he decided to move on, so quitting doing videos was him spreading the gasoline. Him doing that podcast interview was him lighting the match and walking out of the building. I think he is trying to make it so that he can't come back, even if he wanted to.

[@anderiturralde]

This has been by far the best and most complete analysis of this whole Finn situation that I've heard or read. Couldn't have put it any better myself; couldn't agree more with every single point. In the end, as a former fan of his, that enjoyed so much of his content, it's just sad and unfortunate not that it had to end, but that it ended like this - so bitterly. Thanks Nik for dissecting it with such clear precision.

[@ReaperHunter23]

The "Everbody has heard Chop Suey" at the end got me good

[@rotcod1771]

I think his comments were part greed and part "more people should be nice to me and watch more- wah." His counts had decreased in the past few years

[@ellie_hc]

but fr im pretty sure my grandma has heard it, like bro could've used deftones as a literal better example

[@dabz___]

That LinkedIn post is so wild. He’s just projecting the whole time while seemingly playing some authoritative role on how others should behave. And then at the end he’s asking for validation from strangers on something he just claimed to be an expert on 😅

[@sluggernott]

Yeah, this is pretty spot-on. Finn should probably just chill with his financial goals and focus on his perspective and mental health.

[@stevep6317]

I watched several of Finn's livestreams and participated in the chats. He wasn't looking stuff up when he interacted with the chat. He KNEW some of the most random oddball facts that nobody would memorize without some form of passion about the topic. I think this is an intentional bridge burn so he won't have to go back for whatever reason. I highly doubt he's being honest about having zero interest.

[@FenstarDeLuxe]

maybe he's neurodivergent and it was his special interest and now he's off it completely. I can relate to that. But still, seems WEIRD.

[@phaaaze9984]

@@FenstarDeLuxeI’m like 99% sure at one point he said he has autism so you could be right

[@T-Ravs91]

@@FenstarDeLuxeNah, he's just burnt out and wants people to leave him alone

[@nomeru_0]

yeah same, i watched his live content off and on for a long time. It was no secret that he was burnt out and did not want to make videos on bands like SOAD anymore, even though that's what brought in the views. I remember he would say that whenever he tries to talk about music he actually wants to talk about, it never gets views and he seemed very resentful about that, which implies that he did care about music, just not the music that everyone wanted him to make content on. I don't remember for certain but i feel like i remember hearing him say that he was just going to milk what's left of this content and quit because he doesn't like doing it. So it doesn't surprise me at all.

[@corrupted_realm]

​@@T-Ravs91I know right? Every little perspective change is considered "autistic" these days.

[@camith1976]

I liked Finn and he talked a lot about family addictions and depression and such in his circles. To me it seems like there is more going on with him as there is no way that guy didn’t like music. He moved to Cleveland and Cincinnati just to be a part of the Ohio music scene back then. I just hope he is ok and I wish him nothing but success.

[@brandonhumber5032]

Him calling his fans smooth brain morons or whatever he said, was the worst part tbh

[@travisspaulding2222]

He's kind of always done that. I was never really a big fan because I thought a lot of his takes were bad. Maybe it's because I'm 46 years old, so when a lot of this music, and a lot of these scenes were around, I was there, or maybe because he was deliberately being facetious. Either way, I have only really seen a small handful of his videos. I thought it was pretty funny when I came across his video about how negative the internet is and how it is wearing on him. I thought it was hilarious because I thought he basically made his channel to dunk on bands and their fans. When you put that out there, guess what's coming back? So, I get why his fans are mad, and honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he might have been full of shit. Either way he is lying. He was either lying about his interest in music back then, or he is lying about it now. The hate he is getting is because people don't like being lied to.

[@clintbeastwood5116]

The word grifter is thrown around so often these days that it's basically meaningless now. However, it's not very often that you get someone coming out and admitting to grifting.

[@alkatraz706]

kinda hard to believe tbh..he's fucking clickbaiting everyone to take attentiom away off the real issue😂

[@futuristic.handgun]

​@@alkatraz706What's the real issue?

[@nondescriptcat5620]

and then marketing themself on their grifting ability.

[@horatiohuffnagel7978]

​@@alkatraz706That's what I'm thinking.

[@Can_think_of_a_name]

It's "thrown around a lot" because there's loads around nowadays

[@premiumbitter]

Finn is now probably the best example for the fable/idiom of “sour grapes”.

[@naranjajajaa]

i would just listen to his videos in the background on my headphones while at work and i couldn’t help but noticed how uninterested and he sounded at times and how bored he look in some of the videos. it finally makes a lot of sense.

[@TheOriginalHairyDave]

Yeah same for me. I didn't listen to a lot of his content, but he always seemed like doing it was a chore, when he wasn't being a dismissive dick.

[@jonatanmarklund7473]

I'm struggling with a similar person in my life that just screams the same behavior, but without the internet. The person who used to be my best friend, got through the middle and high school shit together, started our first bands together, HE got me into ALL the core music, we wrote to much music together and went to all the gigs together, HE gave me the love I have for core and playing in bands, yes we were both assholes to eachother and toxic at times as kids can be, figuring out life but life goes on. - Fast forward ~10 years and then more or less over a weekend decided "nope, I don't like it anymore, I've never liked or even heard any of the bands you mention (that he showed me and we played together), I don't like playing music and never have, I don't know what you're talking about, these are my new interests and identity now". Ok cool dude, I support you but wtf? Again, I understand we all grow and change but dude I feel so confused and gaslit af. To me, you're saying that I never knew you, whatever we had and shared never meant anything to you. The "grind 10.000h game but hates it" guy or "writes a metalcore album as the most active writer, but have never ever listened and liked metalcore" guy.

[@BatsAndBadgers]

you are good friend for continuing to suppport, Your friend is going through something about their life. If he is the type of person, maybe you can ask him if they are feeling weird about where they ended up in life or if he is mad about something

[@jonatanmarklund7473]

@BatsAndBadgers thank you. Yes that's what I've tried to do/talk with him about for 10 years...

[@squid6884]

He cant have any kind of personality now because his "identity" is the personality. Had a friend that did the same, changed what they identify as and thought that means forcefully change everything about who they are, to fit in better with the new persona. People can choose what to identify as but you don't need to change who they are as a person. That is just being a fake and a fraud.

[@gerryverstrepen5973]

@@jonatanmarklund7473 Sometimes you just have to accept these things and move on. I don't know if you still connect with him on other aspects but if not this is probably his way of saying "let's not hang out anymore".

[@jonatanmarklund7473]

@gerryverstrepen5973 yes that's how I've decided to handle it, accept that we do not have the same in common anymore (however much it sux) and let him distance himself

[@jordankelsomusic]

Finn doesn't like negativity? I stopped watching him because he would just shit on bands constantly and would even acknowledge that he knew nothing about them, he was just being a hater based on their image. His whole persona was to be a troll for engagement.

[@swirle13]

Unfortunately, that's pretty much how Seattleites are, Finn being from Seattle

[@mediumvillain]

known plenty of guys like him who dont know wtf they're talking about, havent followed a scene or listened to anything in decades but still shit on all kinds of music and act like theyre an elitist authority. Finn still thought he was a 19 year old scene kid making zines except he doesnt know anything about music besides his shitty contrarian takes from his early 20s. this is what happens when you take a marketing bro with a shitty Gen Xer nihilist attitude and give them a bunch of eyeballs on their dumb disinterested takes. even they cant stand themselves pretending to know what theyre talking about after awhile.

[@MultiRodc]

you should have seen his previous persona and websites from before the PRMBA. For a dude who hates negativity and snark now that he made his cash and has his family, he sure owes fucking everything to the snark lol

[@gilmo5994]

I always enjoyed his videos on obscure metalcore and other types.

[@john-fs9bw]

It was literally impossible to exist in the 2000s and never have heard chop suey even in passing.

[@Pushbakgang]

No bro I don't think that's what it means I mean he's never put a record on and play It he's NeVER gonna Spotify and Put On a System Of A Down Song I'm in frankly I don't blame him for that 1 but Hey Subjective at all Brotha man

[@DingleMcDangle]

He’s given every music scene “content” creator so much “content” that now he is the “content”. Talk about “branding”.

[@Pinkrosesandagraveyard]

“Everyone has heard chop suey”. Yes. 😂

[@frenchtoast2319]

And it was a funny song when it came out. Now its practically a meme.

[@midnighttrain7844]

yes! by Eartheater

[@morganqorishchi8181]

My 65 year old mom has heard Chop Suey and finds the tempo changes interesting although the harmonizing left something to be desired. My mom, who lives in Montana, who has a collection of houseplants and windchimes, has heard Chop Suey enough to have opinions on it.

[@greatwhitesufi]

Yeah and they still don't know the lyrics.

[@KreepKarnage]

@@morganqorishchi8181 absolute W mom because thats my exact take. the soft part/singing is objectively the worst it just comes off so 2001 in that regard

[@JohnnyBeWhatevs]

One positive this has created is if you enjoy someone who makes content about enjoying something, tell them you fucking vibe with that shit. Nik, I learned of your channel through the “How To” shorts and hadn’t even heard of 90% of the bands. But the vibe was real, and the goddamn grooves infectious, and so now it’s time I quit being an Algo Lurker and pay it forward with a subscribe because my 2024 has been flipped for the better by “discovering” the groups your channel enjoys. Looking forward to more positively fun metal things.

[@IAmTheGirlWithTheMostCake]

looking back on it now, whenever he was actually like listening to music on stream, he did not look like he was enjoying it. he was just staring blankly at the screen and sometimes said stuff like “this is so good” or whatever 😭

[@smoke3dR]

While dunking on Reactors for having Genuine reactions of Shock and Excitement. Often making fun of the faces they made during stanky breakdowns.

[@mariacheezballzofficial420]

Greatest handle of all time

[@cloudbloom]

I noticed that he spent far more time dissecting the outfits and hairstyles of the band members than talking about the music. I can't overstate just how much he seemed to care about fashion styles in music videos than anything else it was weird to me

[@mariacheezballzofficial420]

@cloudbloom Probably cuz he's a fashion designer.

[@frenchtoast2319]

​@@smoke3dRi mean, hes not wrong about that lol. Most those reaction channels are acting.

[@EverydayCasualty]

5:12 "Bald-on-Bald Violence" 😭

[@CodyHegler]

The irony of getting a PunkRockMBA video suggestion after this video ended is diabolical

[@mclostinthewoods]

At this point in my life I'm confident in this: there is more to this story than we think we know.

[@XanAbyss]

I think this is not only your best video (bold statement I know) but also the best take I've seen from the litany of people making posts about this incident. Nothing about any of this situation surprises me. But I 100% agree with you and every point made in this video. No offense but like, way more nuanced than I was expecting. Serves as both a pretty good defense of him as a dude but also a pretty good takedown of him as a businessman. Well done.

[@Remorse9.9.91]

Finn situation is crazy. His videos deepened my love of music, even found Nik through him. Crazy.

[@Vinsanity09]

Im the exact. Same. Way. It rekindled my love for music and same with you on how I discovered. I think Finns response was an overcorrection and I don't even believe he has ZERO interest in music.

[@NeinFeline]

I decided to check out Bilmuri because of Finn's interview.

[@AmericanDragon76]

The man is just lashing out back at all the people who constantly attacked him. I don’t think it was the right move but I am still a fan. I don’t personally believe he has. I love for music. The dude did fucking live streams where he was talking about music all the time. He obviously loved it. I think he didn’t love making endless nu metal and pop punk videos though.

[@davisonsarai7763]

I think I saw every single PRMBA episode throughout the shut down. He started talking more and more about having autism, and spoke several times about wondering if he has a bad personality and doesn't realize it. Like you said about the linked in thing, just a strange lack of awareness. He always seemed genuinely perplexed as to why fans of different genres would be upset about him teasing them, and in kind would be incredibly sensitive to essentially receiving the same from people. I don't believe for a split second that he's never liked music. I think he is essentially drake, saying hip hop is dumb now that he lost.

[@WintermintP]

Personally the real problem with almost all hip hop genres is that most of the said artists in that genre get an awful f ton of money with very little effort or work put into any of their stuff. To make matters worse, you have technical metal/metalcore artists such as us who really put an awful lot of work recording guitar take after take, redialling tones, blending stuff, getting stuff in phase, then spending a ton of money trying to get drums recorded at a studio, then getting this done and that done to make the mix finally glue together and doing a lot of sidechaining and other things to bring everything to life and we don't get paid diddly squat for all that work.

[@davisonsarai7763]

@WintermintP i've been a musician for very long time, and even as somebody who used to try to work as a professional musician i've always believed that some music genres were never meant to be marketable. They came from the underground, and the underground exists to go against the mainstream sensibilities. In my mind, people shouldn't think about making money and certainly not a career in playing in anything hardcore/metalcore adjacent. That was never the point, so i now look at it as something I really love, that I'm willing to lose money on as a hobby.

[@haydenfisher1387]

He has autism? That makes a lot of sense, and I think I can offer my two cents as an autistic person; itit can be very easy to not completely read the room in many ways or understand people's perspectives (especially trying to comprehend people forsaking reproductive rights for cheaper eggs lol)

[@WintermintP]

@@davisonsarai7763 Strong disagree there. While metal is an umbrella consisting of many different genres of metal, metalcore is also an umbrella term the same way in its own right. Also, just because something is technically challenging it doesn't even actually mean that it shouldn't be marketable. If Rush can do it, what's to say other bands can't pull it off? We have been active since 2015, and I've been playing guitar since 2005.

[@davisonsarai7763]

@WintermintP that's fine agree to disagree. I'm getting old, probably different perspectives.

[@billowspillow]

This is the most honest take on this situation I’ve seen. You questioned if it’s as true as he wants it to sound.

[@Talib323Ninja]

I discovered and rediscovered bands I had forgotten about through Finn. I honestly think he just reached burnout and got fed up with everything. I didn’t always agree with his ideas on certain things but he was still my go to for music stuff.

[@charlespeter5610]

Finn McKenty is a prime example as to why Bill Hicks made that joke about marketing. Look it up sometime.

[@octopusonfire100]

For some reason that the one joke that has taken home in my mind forever. And it has been useful.

[@KevinPritts]

Rip hicks still a legend...it's all just a ride anyway 🤷🤷🤷

[@WhyDoBabiesStareAtMe]

He was joking, but being very serious at the same time. He really felt that way about marketers, and I can't say that I blame him.

[@Guitarcovers4u569]

Ah yes, hardcore fan sells out.

[@flufffs]

point is he never was a fan

[@Guitarcovers4u569]

​i was a fan

[@DFTRTITAN]

Hardcore kid until I die bud

[@dannydanumba]

This ain’t even selling out he’s a full on grifter

[@Poomayne]

@@flufffs Definitely can’t be a hardcore fan with a Hatebreed tattoo and going to shows since the 90s. Y’all can’t be this dense.

[@harrisonjj9799]

The best way to market his new venture is through generating outrage within his existing audience. Had he not made these comments we would not know that he is doing linkedin coaching now. therefore the marketing has worked. He does (or at least did) like music. You cannot convince me he started such a niche channel and could pull random 90s punk facts out his ass as a tactical move.

[@jeffs162]

This is an interesting study in parasocial dynamics.

[@doknox]

🤣

[@johnz6808]

He and Fantano I genuinely dug years ago, but as my own hipster elitism faded so did my taste for their content, and honestly Nik is the one that reminded me that music is supposed to be fun...regardless of the genre, have fun, it's art

[@24DJX]

Fr! fantano is an even bigger hater than Finn! I dislike fantano a lot cuz he's just constantly so fuckin negative!

[@Whocares1987]

I really like Nik, if he actually liked bands and music I enjoyed I would probably watch his content a lot more.. His personality is super chill I just think the music choices are litttle eh . My opinion of course. Fantano is hipster but the rare chance he does a metal review its actually a good album. Can't say the same about Finn all he talked about was MGK and commerical success. Wyatt's taste is more my speed.

[@doinkson]

​@24DJX I think a lot of ppl think like that but its more his community.

[@andrester88]

​@@doinkson I agree. Fantano is critical about a lot of things, but i dont really get the vibe that he is a negative forward creator (i.e. Brad Taste in Music IMO)

[@24DJX]

@@andrester88 I just get a lot of "fuck everything, everything sucks" vibes from him about music. Nik has fun.

[@neotheone6796]

Either he is hidin and runnin away from something OR he is a complete narcissistic sociopath. Who tf does that seriously how could anyone ever believe a word out of his mouth.

[@failadin1]

We all know what he could potentially be running from, typical hardcore kids, they never change.

[@kissushoto]

Mostly everything related to his wife

[@Crazyclay78YT]

punk/hardcore drake be like 😂😂

[@SquishyOfCinder]

There has been grooming accusations

[@neotheone6796]

@@SquishyOfCinder damn that would definitely want to just cut ties distance himself like that.

[@stevofficialmusic]

This whole thing pissed me off at first, but this video definitely made me think more and realize there’s a lot I don’t know about this situation. The weird thing is though, people who are in the music world (especially creators) are usually in it for the passion. Sure people go sideways and get sucked into the money/fame vortex, but it feels like this guy is denying any type of passion. Maybe he did have it and became super jaded, but it feels hollow. He claims the whole LinkedIn/money making thing now, but I think something deeper is going on here. If he really cared that much about money making I don’t think he would have started with music. He could’ve done investing or something. It just is super weird.

[@BonyHawksToeSkater]

Besides Fantana, I’m surprised neutral KZbinrs seem to gloss over the obviously abrasive things Finn said. Like the “smooth brained” comment, for example. I like Tankthetech, cool dude, interesting content, but his video in particular is negligent.

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

Yeah seems like they are walking on eggshells in fear of being ostracized by the community or at least in fear about their future prospects. I never like it when people does it but I get it if that's their main source of income.

[@nickwait5260]

Yeah I honestly lost a LOT of respect for Tank. Which sucks cause I really like his content. He didn't cover the whole picture and just outright defended this prick.

[@themightymcb7310]

Tank has always come off as utterly terrified to ruffle anyone else's feathers

[@CoopMoe]

Tank also said up top that he hadn't watched the interview yet.

[@Trepanation21]

I don't think "smoothbrained" is something "obviously abrasive" that needs to be addressed, considering we all know there *are* actual a-holes and stupid people that like to be very vocal on social media/content creator comments. There's nothing controversial about calling a spade a spade.

[@adamtrue6588]

Finn is 100% trolling. He's clearly been ground down by the negativity of fanbases and is taking his frustration out on them.

[@undinism69]

yeah, I just commented saying the same thing. I've "known him" online for about 3 decades. He definitely was a music fan. So, yeah. I think it's just he doesn't have an interest in music (videos/content of music he doesnt like), not music *full stop*

[@rocknmetalultima]

Im inclined to agree. He has mentioned multiple times about the constant death threats and hate threads made about him was starting to break him down. Granted it would anyone. He definitely had an interest in music, maybe not the type people wanted him to make videos on. Also he mentioned how he was gettong bored of butt rock, modern metal, and lack of experimention in the scene. I feel like we have been seeing this coming for a long time and he is lashing out.

[@justinvallange]

He's also incredibly smart marketing wise, saying "just in it for the money" is a perfect headline maker

[@cultreader9751]

Not to be crass, but he would often poke those fanbases. I don't know what he expected to happen.

[@GraveyardghouI]

I don't know if trolling is the right word, but I do think you are right that all the negativity got to him. He was very outspoken about how much it bothered him. I think him making these recent statements is his middle finger to those people.

[@alexandrevezina-sanfacon8205]

he made enough money yet his internet is still bad lmaoo

[@itsCurtisAvila]

If I’m not mistaken, he showed his revenue of $568,000 in seven years. You can make more at a normal job. He definitely didn’t reach his “financial goals”. Clearly just tired of the shit talking. lol he doesn’t have thick skin for this type of business.

[@RafitoOoO]

@@itsCurtisAvila that's just his youtube channel, he had sponsors, twitch, merch, alt channel, etc. He has probably made over 2 million in this endeavor hands down.

[@CormacTunstead]

@@itsCurtisAvilaHuh? What in the world is considered a “normal” job to make $568,000 in seven years? 🫠 My brööther in Christ, have I been slaving away for lil to nothing? 😭 haha

[@XiyuYang]

@@itsCurtisAvila That's just from the KZbin channel, pretty damn decent income, if you factor in his other income vessels he has probably made millions.

[@strNpwrKC]

​@@XiyuYang Millions? 😂😂😂😊

[@CINEMARTYR]

Great take ✌🏻

[@iconofsin1043]

"Very few people do what I do", I work for a very large IT company, and we literally have like 7,000 people working in marketing worldwide, lol

[@PanicInPastel]

You made a good point; making music content just to springboard into something else is kinda weird, especially if you're focusing on financing and building brands.

[@DeweyJHall1]

You watch, when that sweet youtube cash pool runs dry, he'll try coming back "I'm sOrRy, I dIdNt mEaN iT"

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Oh boy I can't wait to see that honestly because I had my last thoughts on it honestly when I was like, well he did pull in all that money now but what's gonna happen when it's all gone and he needs some more? Fin can't come back to YT the way he did now after saying all of that but like some as many before blindly follow others even after they rightfully out say that they hate you and they don't care about you, and you're just a number to them etc, blah blah blah... I mean the narccist, and masochist abuse some people like to take verbally is beyond me but yeah if he does come back I wouldn't be surprise nowadays if anyone here just acts like nothing happened... The internet is truly weird, amazing, and terrifying at the same time when I realize these very weird time of events.

[@catalysts94]

@@danteshollowedgrounds he has an actual career outside of youtube. unless his other stuff falls through i doubt he'd be looking to come back.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

@catalysts94 Good to know, just sucks that things had to be this way.

[@catalysts94]

@@danteshollowedgrounds it's definitely awful that he's out burning bridges in such an inflammatory way.

[@blackphoenixfamily8477]

I mean, if that makes you feel better about the situation......cool Fact is the dude has been successful in just about everything he has done. I doubt he would ever have the 'need' to go back to anything he has put behind him..../shrug

[@Jack32X]

This feels like a social experiment

[@h3r3tic66]

Good lord my feed is FULL of people talking about him! Absolutely hilarious

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yep, time to milk it dry 😎👌

[@frenchtoast2319]

Yeah i didn't even know punkrock mba was even very popular lol.

[@brycef3551]

Finn McKenty does not value or understand artistic expression. He only understands product. It's seemed this way to me for a long time, and this has nothing to do with his supposed grift, though that does seem to validate and confirm it. Consider the music he's hostile to. He hates post-punk, saying it's boring and not seeming to care about the experimentation or emotional expression of the genre. He hates black metal, which is typically almost anti-commercial and all about expression. There is some black metal that sounds terrible, but the black metal he claims to like is some of the worst-sounding nonsense in the genre (though he may have been trolling). He hates Fugazi, not seeming to process or care about the experimentation, expression, or integrity that make that band iconic. He hates crust punk, one of the most cathartic, expressive genres in punk, instead dismissing it as "dumber anarcho-punk" or something like that. He hates doom metal, which is another almost anti-commercial genre all about catharsis. He hates indie, finding it boring and not seeming to understand its musical values, which are again, experimentation, catharsis, and expression. There's obviously a throughline here: he does not care about or value experimentation, expression, or catharsis, which are the core musical values of most people who are really into music of any genre. What he is into is product. He likes catchy packages you can sell to people. Specifically and embarrassingly, he's particularly focused on what could appeal to 15 year old scene kids circa 2006. Apparently that's no accident, since he's supposedly been making cynical videos about pop punk, post-grunge, emo-pop, and melodic metalcore bands for aging scene kids. Most of the bands he covers don't offer much in terms of experimentation, meaningful lyrics, or anything that would appeal to anyone really interested in the art of music. He champions people like Machine Gun Kelly and Sleep Token, while being actively hostile toward Converge. If he was into movies, he'd be more into Michael Bay than anything A24 makes. If he was into art, he'd be more into Disney and Marvel than Junji Ito or Picasso. His taste in hip hop is also revealing, as he celebrated dismal mumble rappers while being utterly disinterested in the many prominent experimental hip hop artists like Danny Brown and JPEGMAFIA. I find his bad taste irritating, but I don't actually dislike him as a person. If he made money making videos about corny music, and now he wants to quit to focus on things he really cares about like his family, then more power to him. However, his shallow views devalue music, and hopefully anyone with a brain can see through it. Notably McKenty is not a musician despite growing up in a powerviolence scene. His best video is on that scene. The musical obsessiveness of someone like David Bowie would seem ridiculous and incomprehensible to McKenty. He's said that musicians are a "lost cause" and claimed he knows people on LinkedIn who make more money than any musician. Apparently he can't understand that people would rather spend their lives creating art than doing online businesses for a little more money.

[@StevenZissimos]

Your last point is especially true. Every artist knows that pursuing art as a career does not make money. Of course, it helps to educate yourself on effective business strategies, but ultimately, the main goal for any true artist is the art itself. Like you said, Finn does not understand this and sees music as a product, not as a form of human expression. His current approach to music represents everything wrong with the music industry.

[@MATCHLESS789]

I saw maybe 10 of his videos before I dropped watching him and quickly came to the same conclusions, so these "news" didn't surprise me one bit.

[@brandonlatus2218]

Squirt gun smelly the wannabe rockstar poser

[@honeynetalove]

Great comment

[@bradmoore330]

"...does not value or understand artistic expression. He only understands product." Just like people who make videos about other people who are trending, right? There's no artistic value in it; it just feeds the algorithm. Excellent use of irony. 10/10.

[@ChrisNorwood3]

He always shouted out how this channel was one of the best.

[@Vinsanity09]

Finn is how I discovered Nik

[@ChrisNorwood3]

@Vinsanity09 Same! I think is awesome even if Finn didn't mean it, lol.

[@ms.anthropia]

Your humor cracks me up. Never change LMFAO.

[@CaloBrown]

"Keep your expectations low, and you'll never be disappointed." - Kratos, God of War

[@zeropolicy7456]

A man who has never expected anything from anyone, has never truly cared about anything or anyone. -Me. Part of life is assumption of risk. Mitigating the risk of diappointment by never investing yourself in another is a cowardly way to live. I like God of War, but that quote isn't wisdom. It's a showcase of a deeply damaged individual mitigating risk the only way he knows how to. And by the end of Ragnarok, his outlook on others and their potential for goodness and redemption changes dramatically.

[@CaloBrown]

@@zeropolicy7456 Okay, hear me out, I think the quote is appropriately directed towards him. Considering the subscribers, the likes, and the views, not to mention those following on social media. The man not only lowered, but completely obliterated the expectations of those who followed him. My man, Finn over here complaining about smooth-brained hate comments, when he brought it upon himself, I'm not one to encourage hate but it's kind of hard not to side with the "haters," now that the truth has been revealed. He not only had his cake, but crapped on it, and fed it to his viewers. Not forcefully mind you, but the temptation is all there, i.e. thumbnails, video titles, and "opinions." 😟

[@justaregulardude895]

Finn was always a huge jerk, and I unsubbed a LONG time ago. Whether he's trolling, deflecting, acting out of spite, or telling the truth... doesn't really matter. I'm honestly disappointed in myself more than I'm disappointed in Finn...because I'm not supposed to rejoice in others' misery, but nevertheless am laughing out loud about this.

[@Matt-yj1lz]

Same. He was a douche

[@QuietEco]

Nah, this is great.

[@syrupbender]

Same here. I really enjoyed when he made videos in front of his black and white collage wall talking about genres and how they ended. But eventually he just turned into an asshole who would shit on all my favorite bands. Like you would come away from his videos feeling like you wanted a hug. Idk what happened, so sad.

[@WoockerSocket2]

​@@syrupbender not his fault if you're sensitive 😂

[@PaxBisonica89]

🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 ​@@WoockerSocket2

[@1989re]

He did the exact same thing with SYWH. I think he was super jaded that some of the more interesting stuff he wanted to talk about bombed from a financial perspective so he was caught up in doing nostalgia videos about nu metal to pay the bills. Like 10 years ago he did a SYWH blog post about knocked loose and how they were sick when pop culture dropped, it was how I discovered them. Absolute crap that he hates music 😂

[@JN-xb6pq]

Glad to see someone else remembers SYWH. Dude is obviously a music nerd and a bit of a troll. People are taking this way too seriously.

[@jaketidwell8766]

I wrote a couple articles for that site. I love Finn and am enjoying all of this. Most Finn thing that could happen.

[@JN-xb6pq]

@@jaketidwell8766 Which articles? Also, I want a Defend Finn shirt in the style of those old Defend Pop Punk shirts.

[@jaketidwell8766]

@@JN-xb6pq Stuff You Will Hate. They were pretty lame compared to the rest.

[@JN-xb6pq]

@@jaketidwell8766 Haha yeah I got it was on SYWH, but I was curious what the articles you wrote were about. I loved that site.

[@loismylane]

For the amount of times he has said shit like "Ive tried venturing off to other themes but all anyone wants to watch are nostalgia videos about korn and nickelback" im genuinely surprised that people are genuinely surprised about what he said

[@AlexandraAbrams-hk6ku]

10:49 he’s literally in a Magnolia Park music video! Granted, he plays the industry dude who wants to capitalize on nostalgia, which I guess is on-brand for someone who’s just into music for the money, but like… it’s not like he was *actually* their manager in real life. He didn’t *have* to hype them up so much as people breathing new life into the pop punk and metalcore scenes (which they deff are, but like, he didn’t have to be the one saying it). He chose to prop up new bands like them all the time. For someone who didn’t care about music, he really did do a lot for the alt music scene… I really just don’t get it, man. Ik he got a lot of hate, but that was always the case. He was always kinda polarizing, but for every hater he had at least one fan, and he kept going for those of us who sometimes disagreed with him but were still fans and appreciated all the work he put into his channels. So what happened that made him suddenly want to burn this bridge THIS badly…? There’s gotta be more to this behind the scenes, but unfortunately idk if we’ll ever really know what that was.

[@AmericanDragon76]

Dude you ever read the comments in his videos or Reddit threads about him. Hell you can just read the comments on this video. Dude got immense hate. We are all human even the most thick skinned would have a hard time dealing with all that negativity. I’m pretty confident he is a music fan. He was just sick of talking about the same nu metal and pop punk stuff. The man literally made videos multiple times talking about his mental health and how his fanbase only wanted videos about the same stuff when he wanted to cover new music genres.

[@MrSickNoodle]

​​​@@AmericanDragon76If he was honest said "the negativity has ruined my mental health and music for me" no one would side eyed him. But it’s the fact that he's using insincerity as a shield and insulting the people who gave him money. The guy made money off people and then insulted them. That's scum bag behavior. Whatever money he has, he owes to his fans, whom he calls smooth brains. And all he's done is validate every negative thing everyone's said. He's a total loser with no soul. I'm sure with millions of views it wasn't a small chunk of change either. I'm guessing it's in the hundreds of thousands or low millions, at the very least enough to pay off ones mortgage or debts. Especially since he's allegedly so savvy with money...

[@TheRealCeeJai]

11:23 Ya know, come to think of it, if these are his idea of "metalcore" bands, maybe Finn really didn't have any interest in music.

[@xenos_n.]

True

[@crowing3886]

Literally all of these bands either are or have mad metalcore influence 😂

[@AlbanianGoose]

Emmure is deathcore ​@@crowing3886

[@itsjustmylo7283]

Lowkey was his emo tier list that made me wonder if he actually knew what he was talking about and that he cared

[@TheRealCeeJai]

@@crowing3886 Ok, I'll bite: Say I'm in a metal band with mad funk influence, does that make us worthy to be on a funk tier list? Furthermore, I am a HUGE Chimaira fan; I know all the lyrics and can play over half their catalog. That said, they are only in the barest, barest sense metalcore. They came out and established their sound prior to the metalcore explosion and are widely grouped far more often with the New Wave of American Heavy Metal in the late 90's and early 00's. I was being a bit facetious for humorous purposes: yes, blessthefall is undoubtedly a metalcore band, as are a few others. When taken as a whole, however, this list is a joke, especially with Emmure at the top (which was probably a troll on his part, but still).

[@therealkakitron]

I guess there won't be a barbecue 😂

[@ReubenAotearoa]

Maybe that’s what caused all this. He didn’t get enough RSVPs.

[@midnighttrain7844]

ohhhhhh snappp!

[@CalebBernstein-l5d]

Finn was the only KZbinr who responded to my DMs on Instagram, cool guy

[@Hecto356]

Dude was a complete clown!

[@Sylvanari]

This truly makes me appreciate people like Fantano (not a fan of most bands I enjoy, it's cool.) And Nik himself (knows members of a few bands I really enjoy personally) Sometimes it takes a little weeding to see how beautiful your lawn has been the whole time.

[@twerktospec]

damn you dont have a dad, huh?

[@PepieV2]

I missclicked the notification button and now im here

[@smoke3dR]

Welcome!

[@DFTRTITAN]

I hope you like fun metal things, because they are here

[@Tommy4Gauge]

So hes basically fred durst he did it all for the nookie

[@smoke3dR]

he hasn't made a terrible Thriller movie with John Travolta, so only mildly similar to Fred Durst.

[@Milo-it1tf]

I’m sorry Fred Durst made a movie??? Please tell me I heard that wrong

[@lalakuma9]

Fred Durst was against the war in Iraq, and defended his stance in MTV's VMA, even when everyone booed at him at the time. And for that alone, he will forever have my respect.

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

Fred Durst has more soul than this guy. Finn would probably agree with that statement since he's a petty person in general.

[@TheShut1]

@@Milo-it1tf The Fanatic, you can look it up. I heard its not good.

[@knoname7778]

This is a good lesson for people who are fans of content creators; you don't really know who these people are or why they are saying what they are saying.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Finn made no secret over the last year or so that he was making videos that he did not like the content he was making anymore. I'm pretty sure he even released a video on his main channel (maybe it was on his second channel) like a year ago that was basically like "I don't really know where to go from here, I don't want to keep making videos about Limp Bizkit until I die, but that's the only type of content I do that makes money." So, I don't know. I don't know Finn personally. Is he actually done with KZbin? I take him at his word that he has no plans to come back, and if he does, I doubt it would be the Punk Rock MBA. Maybe it won't even be music-oriented at all. Do I take the whole "I've never cared about music" statement at face value? No. Like, dude clearly does, or at least did at some point. Maybe the burn out has made him just not want to think about it anymore. And making the 38th video about Papa Roach or whatever shit he doesn't even like does seem like it was burning him out.

[@jackreed7837]

Finn McKenty??? More like Finn McStinky hahaha am I right guys… g-guys….

[@matttheman3923]

Take this like and get out

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

liked against my will

[@jackreed7837]

Thanks guys your families will be released once you like this comment

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Finn McCunty

[@dannydanumba]

@@nightmarefanatic1819the cooler Daniel lol

[@hansmatheson5976]

Dude, there’s zero benefit to him saying that if that is honestly how he feels. His comment and demeanour really gives the impression that he’s angry and contemptuous about something. Even if brother is a marketing bro or whatever; burning a community/brand/lucrative pursuit like this makes no sense. He’s pissed and has been pissed for awhile; long enough that it’s festered into whatever this destructive resentment/contempt he’s showcasing.

[@David-ln8qh]

100% the vibe I got from that interview.

[@RafitoOoO]

Exactly. If he was doing it just for the money, the reasonable thing to do would be to keep the channel around just in case you need more of it lol.

[@mediumvillain]

i think he's hated what he does for years. he came from a scene based on authenticity, got a business school degree and spun it into a music youtube channel based on not knowing wtf hes talking about but pretending to be a hip elitist. he made money off normies who like sugar ray, got pushback & hate from the punk rockers & scene kids he used to be, and the resentment is 1) towards himself for being a phony all these years, and 2) towards some general 'online music community' for allowing him to be successful when he was completely full of shit and not sniffing him out. at the same time he insults, whines & complains about the ppl who DID rightly call him out, bc one thing people will NOT do is accept responsibility for their actions (even as he's admitting he was a fraud). He seems conflicted between his roots and his own behavior & aspirations, so he's trying to settle the conflict by burning all his bridges of being an authentic music lover and going all-in with being a marketing grifter. This is actually a really common thing that happens in politics, where some dedicated progressive will start edging towards a financially motivated political grift, gravitating towards the mainstream center or the right, and they kinda hate themselves for it, but then they get a lot of pushback, negativity & rejection from their cohort so they double down hard and resolve the inner conflict by becoming full time right wing grifters motivated purely by money & spite.

[@ArtesiaBMX]

This could definitely follow him into different fields. Would you want a guy who's gonna cut and run like that working for you?

[@kodyepidemic]

“I want to stand for the opposite of that; a place where people can feel safe to put themselves out there without being judged, put down, or belittled” *queues up clips of Finn belittling people who make reaction videos and mocks them live on twitch* 🤔🤔🤔

[@TKOHalfBlood]

Thank you for wording this situation in a way that I couldn't Nik. As one of the silent audience that liked Finn's content this whole situation messed me up a bit ngl.😅

[@nawdude4292]

Why when you could just listen to music 😂

[@dead_inside674]

You cant trust people who likes advertising.

[@jwr2904]

We should call it what it is these days, manipulation. Has been that way for decades and decades

[@mrshaneobuenosnodgrass3328]

He called out so many fan bases in his videos and called everyone posers and losers. He couldn't handle the fact that people started looking at him and digging into his personal life. At least, that's my theory.

[@GunnarKnox662]

Using metal scene drama to distract from groomer accusations is a wild move.

[@TrueChaoSclx]

The what now

[@kurusjose]

huh

[@mayhemiscool]

WHAT?

[@GunnarKnox662]

@@mayhemiscool Finn and his wife spoke on podcasts about when they started dating. People quickly realized that based on the dates they provided she was 16 and he was in his early 30's. When faced with the accusations, Finn suddenly lost interest in music and making KZbin content.

[@redduskironsky1058]

​@@GunnarKnox662I dunno about that anymore because I have seen people just change the ages too many times. Some say 16, others say 17 and a lot say 18. If 18, definitely not ilegal but still weird...and probably still grooming UNLESS they can prove that they met when she was 18 and started dating the very same year and not having met before she turned 18. Which...some have said she has said they MET when she was 17 but never started dating until she was 18. Umm...doesnt make it better so I dont get why people defended him. Listen, age gaps are looked upon badly if the younger party is below the age of 25 and the gap is above 10 years for most people. I would not call someone a groomer IF the person met them when they were 18 and started dating after. But Im almost sure the way I have heard people say she said it means they met when she was not 18 because if you have to say "but we never dated/did anything until or before I was 18" still means you met him when you were 17 so 🤷🏿‍♂️ Finn is still a creep.

[@paytondaley5188]

He definitely just can’t take the negativity lol

[@smoke3dR]

The Black Metal fans are persistent lol

[@blackened247]

I just refuse to believe he never liked music. This reads to me like severe burnout, which has manifested as him burning bridges. He's even said himself that he didn't care about marketing but he was good at it and it made money. Bro needs to see a therapist, and I mean that genuinely.

[@hamm8934]

He has also been open about how he struggles with severe depression and has a tendency of burning bridges when he’s in a bad spot. This is clearly that

[@David-ln8qh]

@@hamm8934 Has he actually said that? Couldn't be clearer what happened here if so.

[@alextaunton3099]

He needs a therapist and needs to realize there's more to life than just making money

[@hamm8934]

@@David-ln8qh he has, many times. He has at least one video talking about his rough upbringing with his mom and step dad

[@PowerfulReactions]

Fully agree with your take. It seems like this whole departure/transitioning thing, has an emotional connection to him, which he somehow cant undo. Once you are done with something, you normally are DONE and don't get THAT much involved, especially emotionally.

[@cant_pickausername]

The finn mckenty situation is crazy

[@PxNxWxGxW]

I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he's wrong, than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil.-Malcom X

[@Trepanation21]

Yeah yeah sure, except the thing is that Finn is *_obviously_* lying in that interview, so the most that he's letting anybody know is what we can infer from the weird interview.

[@PxNxWxGxW]

@Trepanation21 why even lie? Mental illness or more of the grift?

[@MATCHLESS789]

So.. Lying for years then telling the truth once = based?

[@M1dny9ht]

I watched some twitch steams a couple years ago and he talked like this during the stream too. He complained a lot about the bands people were requesting and said he would rather just listen to pop.

[@marcjohn9404]

Dude, he would have a meltdown like that like every other week, where he was just whining about how he couldn't listen to what he wanted, being passive aggressive, etc.

[@brentenglish268]

The curveball that is coming is the fact that Finn did this podcast and made these crazy post to get people mad and get his name blown up and put all over the social media world. After a few months he will come with about video explaining how this was all a marketing ploy. The video he releases will go massively viral because everyone will be hating and talking shit to him, then every video he puts out after will get the same reaction and his views will have a 25% view increase just from the people that seen his name and want to see “the bad guy”.

[@MultiRodc]

he may play it that way and parlay it all into engagement if he can (though I think in reality he is genuinely running scared from something like negative attention about his wife), but it wasn't his intention at first.

[@samrudroff9543]

I think this is the best take on it I’ve seen. It’s not the ideas presented it’s just the way he presented them. Some of them were completely gross and disgusting

[@film79]

i think he was really into music in the 2000s, even in that interview he talks about knowing a lot of stuff and even personally knowing bands from around 20 years ago. I think he probably wasn't following music nearly as much when he started the channel but because he already had a lot of knowledge from the 2000s it made it easy to quickly research and get caught up.

[@smelltheglove2038]

He's my age, he seemed to like skate punk and early 90s hard-core which is what I grew up in. To be fair to him, I hate it now. I can't stand the scene especially. I don't like the other fans. It's all so fake. Whenever grand theft auto 5 came out I really got into the outlaw country station. That's all I listen to now. Outlaw country from the 70s. Haha.

[@TripleFourSC]

Feels more like a midlife crisis than anything. Everybody talking about this could get him more viewership even if it's negative which could be what he's going for if he wants to branch out to other things.

[@Steve-r7b6j]

I think quite a few people grow out of the music they listen to. There are two ways of dealing with it, you can admit you're not into it anymore and move on to whatever else you're into but acknowledge it was part of your life or make out like you were always too good for it. I believe he has done the latter.