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[@emme]

i really enjoyed seeing all the witches and the background of mae and osha this episode!!!!

[@boomstickmcflame-job2594]

I did too I’m learning new force cultures it’s very unique

[@alessiocapone9816]

I also wondered If the Jedi might not be the only ones with a Chosen One prophecy. What If the Nightsisters also had a similar situation when someone is born without a Father? Perhaps one day We will see a Chosen One for the Dark Side of the Force?

[@lordfoul6259]

Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the sith so powerful and so wise he could use the force to influence the midiclorians to create life

[@xXerickcg92xX]

Yes his influence might be in play already or the Sith learn this manipulation from this coven

[@lordfoul6259]

@@xXerickcg92xX I'm leaning more towards the second theory

[@Arkilonn_]

Dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@Arkilonn_ I heard that when Mother Aniseya was giving that monologue and used the term

[@CobraShadowz]

I think there is more going on than meets the eye, the witches clearly weren’t killed by the fire and the events were all from Osha’s perspective. I bet we will get another flashback later in the season from Mae’s perspective showing what really happened.

[@monygemini88]

This was exactly what I was thinking!

[@stevena.7022]

I wouldn't say ''clearly''. I could barely see anything.

[@ooperitibi]

Felt like this episode was from Oshas perspective, cant wait to see what it is from Mae's. Cause it seems like osha got manipulated by the jedi, why would one off himself if they didnt do anything bad? Loving the show

[@emme]

for me, i think it was clear mae was fast to shift blame. in the convo when osha asks her "what did you do?" about the fire mae immediately asks her back "what did YOU do" as if the fire was her fault because of her choice. so i could see her easily blaming the jedi being there at all for this problem, although it would be cool to see more of her perspective explicitly

[@onedoes1471]

also little detail, first two episodes have two names, this one has only one implying its just osha's part

[@emme]

@@onedoes1471 OHHH that's interesting, i like that

[@KevinDPomeroy]

My theory is that the Jedi infiltrated the coven fortress at the same time Mai and Osha thing was happening. That reactor was important, they showed it early on in the episode. Indara and Torbin began slaughtering the coven and Sol went looking for the girls. Kalnacca is the technical one, we see him fixing the speeder. He was the one that sabotaged the reactor, causing the explosion and spreading the fire. Torbin was wounded in the fight, you see for a brief moment at the end of the episode with his ruined eye, which wasn't present the the initial meeting with the Jedi. Clearly the inquisition/slaughter didn't sit well with Torbin which is why he retreated to that meditation state. That's what I was able to put together with all of the context clues.

[@thegreatjedi309]

​@@emme I've a suspicion Mae may not have started the fire after all. She didn't look that surprised that Osha got out when they met at the bridge, as if she didn't know Osha was trapped… could it be that there's some trick of the Force going on here which manifested as an illusion of Mae in Osha's eyes?

[@slasherfreek]

Never seen Jedi like this. They seem so arrogant. Interesting perspective.

[@moe5020]

They cant exactly just leave force users to their own devices. 1 kid falling to the dark side can lead to suffering for thousands and millions.

[@alessiocapone9816]

I wonder If the Jedi have droids that act as therapists or if They resolve psychological issues with meditation techniques when it comes to recently-adopted younglings? Anakin could have sure used one when His Mother died!

[@ZappaBlues]

If you want to know more about the nuances between Mae and Osha, I doubt you will get it with only 8 x 40 minute episodes. You need AT LEAST 12 episodes like Andor. And more than one season

[@Vyan00]

Mae still has the mark on her forehead in the present day. I appreciate that you are one of the cool reviewers who hasn't tried to Gatekeep over this episode and have instead embraced the lore and new world-building that is being addressed.

[@kirkdarling4120]

How was it none of those women realized Mae was a sociopath?

[@wrdreacts4247]

.... Serious: same as so many parents didn't realize their kid would become a school shooter..........

[@aspieanarchist5439]

A lot of ancient Sith collaborators were taught the Dark Side under the guise of their own cultural traditions so they basically saw The Jedi as colonizers which wasn`t totally untrue technically.

[@HaydenWerren]

If you remember: Anakin was born of the Force with no father similar to Osha and Mae but difference is that Anakin is the Chosen One in Jedi prophecy.

[@Iwillone]

Imagine if the chosen one was supposed to be born earlier. The prophecy never said he or she was to be a Jedi. The coven mother’s actions is reminiscent of Legends Darth Plagueis.

[@kirkdarling4120]

There is more to this birth. It might not be a true "immaculate conception"...it might be more common cloning with a bit of magic to help it along. And it isn't proven that the Thread is the same thing as the Force.

[@frann8552]

No he was created by a sith manipulating the force to create a chosen one there's nothing to point to the fact that there weren't failed attempts before the fact or that similar means could be used to create force sensitive children.

[@KorGuys]

The relationship between Oshas and Sol feels more like a loving relationship between a father and daughter, or a family, rather than a simple relationship between a student and a teacher. This is the first time I've seen a Jedi with the same humanity as Sol.

[@CaptainJ62]

I’ve seen a lot of people compare him favorably to Qui-Gon Jinn, and I can certainly see the similarities.

[@bertinamiller9626]

I think Mae's master was probably someone who was watching them from afar, and has been manipulating both of them, like he or she knew they were both alive etc

[@joshuawells835]

I've seen a lot of people commenting the theory that the Jedi were more involved with what happened to the rest of the coven than what we see in this episode. Personally, while I do think that is the directly the show is going, I'm still not convinced that the Jedi were involved. Likely, I think Mae's master was the one who actually wiped out the rest of the coven and framed it in a way to convince Mae that the Jedi did it. She wouldn't be the first person manipulated by the Sith to hate and even kill Jedi.

[@bertinamiller9626]

@@joshuawells835 Torbin took the poison for some guilt though so that suggests he alone did something or his master told him to do something against his code

[@joshuawells835]

@@bertinamiller9626 True, but at this point, I'm still holding out. It could just be guilt about failing to save Mae. Again, I think the entire situation is being manipulated by the Sith.

[@stevena.7022]

The bad guy had better be one of our characters

[@joshuawells835]

​@@stevena.7022 Define "one of our characters."

[@talesyuki]

It's interesting how differently people can see this episode. For example, my impression of the Jedi during this was quite the opposite of yours. First of all, they lied A LOT. They DID NOT think the planet was uninhabited. Sol was tracking them and they even had to hack into a security system to get in. It was a clear, blatant lie. They were rude and smug AF(as usual for Clone War era Jedi, but sad to see in the High Republic), and again they lied saying they don't take children. And then, c'mon, that little Mae fire obviously didn't kill every single witch and exploded a forking reactor. xD To me it's pretty clear the Jedi did it(you can even hear the force being used during Osha's escape). They killed them all, destroyed their house and blame it on the child they left to die in the fire. I'd wager that Mae actually saw part of this, and that's why she blamed Osha. Even more than that: the Jedi probably wouldn't find them if Osha didn't keep running away from the house, so if she followed the rules the witches could probably be alive. I understand she has personal feelings, but IMO she went to it the wrong way, she was quite selfish(not as much as Mae hahaha) and ended up being partially responsible for the deaths of everyone she loved and the ultimate corruption of her already kinda evil sister. And that's the flashback from her POV, I wonder what other things we'll find out with Mae and the Jedi's POVs, which I'm sure we'll get eventually. Also suuuuper conveniente that Sol was already INSIDE their home when things were exploding, isn't it? Almost like he knew it would happen. And Jedi Tommen had his scar when Osha woke up. There's much yet to find out about that night. Poor Osha and Mae. Anyway, the episode was great. RIp the Witches, and Jedi keep giving me the icky. Can't wait for the next one!

[@talesyuki]

I think I sounded rude on my first lines, if that tracks, sorry haha wasn't my intention, much the opposite, I was excited to comment during your reaction given our wildly different impressions! xD

[@emme]

dw, i totally didn't think it came off rude!!! i appreciate all perspectives

[@glenny5081]

Who in the meeting rooms thought undercutting the Anakin conception was a good idea....? Maybe tearing down the better content pre-disney is the whole point.

[@plothole181]

Someone actually thinks that the idea of Anakin's conception in the first place was a good idea? It was one of the most ridiculous additions to the lore to come out of the dumpster fire of concepts from the prequels. I'm not saying that the same concept (if that is what they are using) would be any better here, but Immaculate Conception Anakin was stupid 1999 and it is still stupid now.

[@IrrelevantPerson]

I get it, common misconceptions going around here but the twins birth and anakins birth are fundamentally different. Anakin was created by the will of the force itself to counteract what plageuis and Sidious were doing, while the twins were created with the help of magik manipulation. It might help to think of it as test tube babies versus Jesus Christ himself

[@plothole181]

@@IrrelevantPerson Yeah. I was more thinking of IVF vs Immaculate Conception, but basically what I meant by my "if that is what they are using" comment.

[@stevena.7022]

I've always assumed Shmi lied to conceal a trauma. Life of a slave girl and all. Qui Gon so zealous he sees Chosen-1's face in his pancakes. Prophecy misread it may have been.

[@tacomuerte936]

I have the strong impression that if a child passes the Jedi's tests there isn't really a choice in whether they will be trained as a padawan. I might be wrong though

[@brettholcomb3763]

"And what happens when the Jedi discover how you created them." I think Mother Aniseya made a (desperate) deal with Sith to create the twins to continue their traditions. I think something goes down when the Jedi realize some dark force stuff went down and the witches are hiding it. Also, I question if Mother Aniseya actually plans to let Osha go. She chooses her words carefully when she says, "We will consider your wishes." She doesn't say "If that's what you want you can go."

[@mainstarter3380]

Not my cup of tea this series, but I’m glad that you enjoyed this.

[@extrabeefy875]

I like how this episode didnt give the full picture of the backstory for Mae and Osha, like it especially gets vague when Mae burns Osha's room, like all of a sudden we shift to a reactor blowing up and all these dead witches, and conveniently the Jedi are just there. I think the Jedi are hiding some secrets of what they did there because if it really was just a fire gone very bad then why would the jedi from last episode have so much guilt?

[@seangargan]

When Sol is talking to Osha on the ship at the end, if you look at Torbin in the background, his face is all messed up. There was obviously a fight we didn’t see

[@IsiahBradley]

THANKS for this!!!!

[@GhostGoneWildLive]

I’m loving this series so far and liked seeing the witch culture explored. It seems like Osha and Mae were created the same way as Anakin, using force energy without a father, and them being twins holds great significance as well, even beyond the Jedi dyad lore that gets explored in the sequel trilogy. Really excited to see more 🤩

[@SupersonicMan10000]

Anakin was created by the Force as a response to the unnatural manipulation of the Force by Plagues and Sideous. The twins were created by unnatural manipulation of the Force, perhaps they made a deal with Plagues.

[@GhostGoneWildLive]

⁠@@SupersonicMan10000I was thinking that also or that the Sith even learned it from the witches

[@sirfishe9949]

no they are not created the same as Anakin. They completely made Anakin's birth less special and less meaningful. Anakin wasn't created by witches, dark side users or anything like that. Anakin was created by the whil of the force itself ( aka the Whils ). The force conducted the midichlorian's to created Anakin because the galaxy was going out of balance. That's why Anakin doesn't have a father. Its suppose to be like a miracle from god in a way. This was confirmed by George Lucas's himself.

[@jackson857]

I liked episode 2 more than 1 and I liked 3 more than 2 so it just keeps getting better in my opinion.

[@theebronks]

you are putting way too much trust and faith in the jedi, taking them at their word. we already know from the encounter with corbin things aren't as simple as osha believes.

[@duckducklarry]

it's interesting you felt that way about the second episode, for me the first episode didn't grab me nearly as much, but the second episode is what absolutely hooked me!

[@emme]

oh that is itneresting!!!! it seems like maybe i'm the outlier

[@lordfoul6259]

I loved this episode when I found out that I was right about their mothers being the leaders of the witches I felt so vindicated but I could see how this would appear to be woke from an outsider's perspective who's never seen a society such as this like the nightsisters who called their leaders mother like Mother Talzin

[@dyelawn893]

I really like this episode! Cool to see other takes on the force and how it butts heads with the Jedi. Also there are still so many mysteries surrounding this event, hope we get more flashbacks from different perspectives down the line.

[@brettbaumler754]

We definitely haven’t gotten the full story of what happened yet. Those witches certainly didn’t die from a fire

[@kathyjumper6991]

Very good eisode and reaction. I believe Mae has been manipulated because of her fear of losing her sister, just as Anakin was manipulated by Palpatine because of his fear of losing Padme. There is so much more we have yet to find out. So far i see nothing that is going to ruin Star Wars. We are just seeing what another culture's interpretation of the force is.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

The Jedi going somewhere they're not wanted to test children is going too far. Mother Aniseya gaslighting Osha is going WAY too far. So I'm team Jedi for now, until we know more about what happened. As for becoming either a Jedi or a Witch, it is a major decision to make at any age. But children are often far more sure of who they are and of what they want to become than adults are. It's just adults aren't always sure how to give children the ability to express their thoughts, or how to present a choice to them without convincing themselves they're influencing the children. But that worry should just stop existing, because everything everyone does influences everyone else. What they do, what they say, what they think, what they choose, etc. Influence is a natural part of life and is perfectly fine if not intentionally swayed one way or another.

[@TheTomt50]

I think all isn't revealed just yet. I don't doubt Osha's perspective, but the fire wasn't so great that it would have killed everyone in the Coven. It's possible a later episode will reveal that they all engaged in a mass suicide, or a fight with the Jedi.

[@tigger3565]

A lot of people did’t like this. They say that Star Wars is dead. I like it. But that is me.

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Emme! 🌑 I bet we'll, at some point, have more flashbacks that will reveal more of the mystery.

[@wrdreacts4247]

Wookie with a shaved head! LOL 😂😂

[@Matthew_KNGP1N]

This episode was interesting but I'm totally blaming Mae I feel like she was jealous of her sister and she was brainwashed by her mom 💯 Osha had every right to make her own decision and she went with what was in her heart thats to be a jedi and Osha knew Mae is the one who started the fire it wasn't the Jedi but I'm interested to see where this keeps going

[@nomis]

Why didnt Sol save Mae or Osha or both with the Force? They did it a bunch in Ep 1 and 2... Stopping someone from falling... Is it a new technique they just discovered? Doubt it...

[@tonyvaldiconza3914]

Spice (space drug) creams must be very addictive 🥰

[@JustInTimeMovies]

It is just cinnamon. 😋

[@mimic1984]

I don't care what anyone says, I'm genuinely enjoying this show. 💜

[@stevena.7022]

Maybe offer them a spice cream and tell them to wait in the conference room? How can I follow a ''mystery'' with such crazy responses to things? Absolutely anything is possible.

[@mrwatermelo50]

wait ... when spikey head carried them and gave birth to them ..... why do they look like the other one .... ?

[@kirkdarling4120]

If we don't go all fantasy and keep it within science fiction, the other mother could have provided all the DNA so that both girls are clones of her (thus, twins of each other). The horned mother was simply the surrogate womb.

[@Cobinja]

"There's only 4 Jedi. Who would miss them" - Well, how about the other 10000 Jedi?

[@hohomon]

Thanks for this! I love this show❤

[@TimSedai]

You know for being "warned" about the "controversies" of this episode, I was kind of let down it wasn't gayer lmao Some weak writing but tbh SW has ALWAYS had that issue. I like this series... [and think gene-editing and IVF using the force lol]

[@jasonmarbach]

I loved this episode *so* much. Powerful and emotional. It was so cool to see a new force cult and their beliefs and customs. The acting and writing was on point, the sets were outstanding. Just really, really loved this. Can’t wait for next week!

[@PedranZ]

this is 100% the worst star wars episode ever made in any star wars series!

[@CRF250R1521]

can you please explain why? i really dont understand the hate and ive been a star wars fan for years

[@LiamRichardson-o7q]

​@@CRF250R1521First I just want to say I respect your opinion if you like this show but here is my own opinion feel free to disagree with it. There destroyed what made anakin skywalker so special being the chosen one conceived by the force to bring balance. Also they are portraying the jedi to be childsnatchers and likely murderers of the witches the makers of this show have no love or appreciation for this franchise and just want to use it to push their own agendas. Once again I fully respect your opinion if you like it I am just voicing my own aswell feel free to disagree with me.

[@frann8552]

​​@@LiamRichardson-o7qWrong on every account the Jedi WERE hated by many species of force sensitive aliens because they were child snatchers during the old Republic. Also I don't think anyone likes the Skywalkers being chosen ones because it's an extremely overused and contrived plot point that makes them untouchable also Anakin wasn't a chosen one he was created through dark side sorcery just like in this.

[@YoutuberEzra]

It Is not it is the worst episode in the show

[@wrdreacts4247]

Really, I thought this episode saved the show.

[@stanleysmith2221]

I was really drawn to all the actors in this episode. And I will watch with patience, interest and enthusiasm. There are not any prizes for figuring out what will happen next 😊

[@Fedaygin]

19:00 Probably happened because of all 4x Jedis or some of them. Or because of evil entity. I look forward to S01E04 at late wednesday evening via D+ 🧘‍♂

[@ansal2525]

The Jedi try to take, the Sith persuade slowly. So, where is evil there?

[@christopherstanfield1558]

I don’t know that I agree with the idea that the Jedi “take”, otherwise why would Sol bother asking Osha what she wants? And as for the Sith and evil, I think Bad Batch offered a stark reminder of their evil when we see them experimenting on children.

[@JJ-ds2uf]

Me personally, I did not enjoy it at all. I'm glad you had a great time, however, for me, Star wars is heading a direction I can't follow :,(

[@americantragedies]

The people who professionally hate star wars are REALLY up in arms over this one. I guess the idea of showing a matriarchal culture (checks notes) one time for 30 minutes out of 10,000 minutes of other content was too much and now they are scawed.

[@margolitapnina6716]

😂😂😂

[@PhilKo89]

I remind you of the Nightsisters of Dathomir. Awesome matriarchal culture that's loved by the fans. So sorry but your argument is void. This is not about that. It's about the abhorrent writing

[@CaptainJ62]

Not sure if I agree with your point, but I do agree with the sentiment. I don’t be essarily think it’s all to do with the Matriarchal side (see the Nightsisters), I think the hate just comes from it being a new Star Wars thing. They don’t really care if it’s good or bad, they just want to hate it. (For the record, I’m quite enjoying the show. This episode admittedly wasn’t my favorite, but I am interested to see where it goes.)

[@americantragedies]

@@CaptainJ62 I get what you're saying. I wasn't feeling it the first half. Kid actors. Not shot that exciting. etc. But then all of those thorny ethical jedi questions started coming and I can't stop thinking about it.

[@nikogianakos3013]

@@PhilKo89Can you explain why you think it’s abhorrent?

[@juancarlosgonzalezmartinez8793]

really loved this episode.!!!

[@mercurymachines4311]

This is some of the worst TV I have ever seen. The writing is awful, the acting is even worse...

[@CRF250R1521]

what did you think of obi-one?

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@CRF250R1521 About as bad. Much of Boba Fett as well.

[@novosadp]

This is not Star Wars, this is embarrassment

[@Jumpyman_thegamerYT]

Facts

[@CRF250R1521]

can you explain why? the show was boring for sure but i dont get the hate

[@novosadp]

@@CRF250R1521 it’s not just boring, it’s bad from any point of view. Writing is awful, it’s messes with canon, it doesn’t explain anything, this show is representation of showrunner lgbt experience, it has nothing to do with Star Wars

[@CRF250R1521]

@@novosadp i dont see the lgbt in any part of the episode can you explain that part?

[@diongreenlee4158]

What is Star Wars? Who died and made you King of Star Wars? What makes you the gatekeeper of Star Wars? If you don't like it, don't watch it. People like you just want to hate because you don't understand. You just want to stay stuck in one little time period of Star Wars but Star Wars is bigger than you and your little feelings. Go away. We don't need you nor do we want you.

[@Nyx__]

Best episode so far, even though I'm not vibing very much with the show. All the people hating on this show for being "woke" is crazy though.

[@emme]

agree "woke" is not actually critique, more of one's personal perspective issues

[@Washinyot]

Yikes

[@hehu4025]

This episode was, unfortunately, awful. The previous two episodes intrigued me, but this one definitely did not. I was afraid that the past would be poorly depicted, and, well, unfortunately, it is. There are a lot of stupid things in this episode that I can still forgive, but here are the 2 biggest problems: The girls don't have a father. They are not the Chosen One, and only the Chosen One could be conceived by the Force. This is just insulting to fans. Here, the witches possess the knowledge to do it. The Sith have long been interested in the secrets of the Force and immortality, so logically, they should have long ago acquired the ability to create powerful Force users in this way, but the only one who probably reached this knowledge or was very close was Darth Plagueis. If such an ability naturally exists and the witches can use it without problems, why did it take the Sith so long, and why did Qui-Gon even consider Anakin to be the Chosen One? A random clan of witches cannot control the Force in such a way because that is literally the goal of the Sith for generations. They seek complete control and power, both in the Force and over the galaxy that they were never able to achieve. Even their code emphasizes this: I must break my chains (limitations) to be free, and the key to this is passion and strength. (If the clan has such knowledge, I must take it for myself) Additionally, Osha was accepted into the Order at an age when she shouldn't have been. Anakin was a slave and wasn't accepted, He became a Jedi only because Kenobi wanted to fulfill his master's will.

[@SupersonicMan10000]

I think you are over reacting to there not being a father. It was the will of the Force that created Anakin as a response Plagues and Sideous, but the twins were created by manipulating the Force to create life. Perhaps the fact there were twins was the fill of the Force to counter act Maes darkside and bring balance to this unnatural use of the Force

[@SupersonicMan10000]

I cant remember if they mentioned that she was a bit older to be admitted in the Jedi order in an earlier episode, but it could have been events arising in the Acolyte that could have had led the Jedi to be so against Anakin being admitted.

[@hehu4025]

@@SupersonicMan10000 This is my normal criticism. This knowledge is something the Sith have sought for generations, and yet, for some reason, a group of witches knows it while the Sith do not? This is the normalization of knowledge that the Sith have been searching for over generations. Creating life through the Force involves controlling the Force, which is precisely what interests the Sith. They desire total control. A prime example is Valkorion's quote: "The Force is mine. I command it." This is the Sith's main goal, and the fact that this knowledge has been normalized in such a way doesn't make sense. Even if they explain that there are two ways of conception through the Force, it still won't make sense because it continues to normalize an ability that the Sith would be interested in, and it diminishes and even destroys Anakin's uniqueness as the Chosen One.

[@jasonmarbach]

Your “2 biggest problems” are nonsense that you created in your head. Nothing in this show in any way involves or affects Anakin. At all. He was conceived by the force, these twins were conceived *using* force magik. If you think Anakin was the only character born, in 25,000+ years of galactic history, under unusual force circumstances, then that’s your failure. No one else’s. And Anakin not being accepted initially happens A HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THIS. And they have acknowledged *in this show* that it was unusual for Osha to be accepted. But you’re assuming that’s somehow canon-breaking, when the reality is that Osha probably is one of several cases that serve to *strengthen* the Jedi’s reticence to train Anakin down the road. Just stop watching. It’s fine, I promise, nobody will miss you. You clearly have not approached even a single scene of this show in good faith, you simply let the right wing outrage grifters make your mind up for you weeks ago.

[@jasonmarbach]

The sith are just as arrogant as the Jedi are…especially Palps. He told you that the sith had been searching for millennia for that knowledge while implying that only the sith could do it, and you just uncritically accepted the version of history he presented you, just like you accepted Master Mundi (wrongly) stating “the Sith have been gone for a thousand years” as fact. Characters lie. They twist and manipulate for their own ends. Palps needed Anakin to believe that he (Palps) was the one true path to the ability to save Padme, and like all great manipulators, said what he needed to say to get the outcome he wanted.

[@skullwarrior13]

Crackpot theory: Sol saved Mae, and Osha is the one who fell "to her death". Why else would "Mae" think Osha is dead if she's the one who fell into the abyss. Predicting the classic switcheroo

[@KelpyG.]

THE POWER OF MANNNYYYYYY

[@alphanimetv]

I've been indulgent with the first two episodes, I even kind of appreciate them, but seriously, what's the fuck? Making kids with the Force? Anakin is supposed to be special, an aberration, the chosen one of the Force. And if you take it a step further, a weird thing created by a Sith Lord whose particularity was to be able to create life with the Force, but which he never managed to reproduce, because, beeecause ? ... Yes ! Anakin is special and unique ! If you wanted two moms having childs, this is SF, you can invent entirely female species, or use technology, we don't give a damn, it would be even great and original but don't touch Anakin and the Force! It's not original (they have the same line as Schmi, that's lame), it's not useful, and it's not pleasant. It's just there to kick lore in the balls. Yet a scenario based on the Jedi taking kids away from their families and repressing Force-user sects was something to dig into, but this immaculate conception thing already makes me wince, but on top of that, the episode is messy and edited from the ass. It's hard to understand the sequence of events. The characters have contradictory reactions from one scene to the next, and like this fire, seriously? It barely starts, and poof, everyone's dead, not a single survivor. There's like 5 minutes between the start of the fire and the moment when Osha comes out of her room - 5 fucking minutes, and the fortress looks to be at least 100m high! Okay, lack of oxygen is deadly, but here ... Isn't it a little too deadly ? Come on, I'm pissed off again because of Star Wars ... Please give me a break LucasFilm.

[@IrrelevantPerson]

This is not the same as Anakin, he is still unique and the chosen one. He was created by the will of the force itself to counteract what the Sith were doing and to bring balance. This was no manipulation but through the force. The twins were created through magik manipulation, they are not the chosen ones and are not taking anakins place. It’s like comparing a test tube baby to Jesus Christ. Also, it’s supposed to be blatantly obvious that they DIDN’T die by the fire, that’s the mystery.

[@alphanimetv]

​@@IrrelevantPerson The fact is, Anakin's birth without a father is symbolic. He is supposed to be unique, to signify the special nature of his destiny. It's literally Jesus. Even with all the justifications in the world, to allow a similar birth through the Force is to weaken the symbolic impact of Anakin's. Even considering the Legend, and the idea that it was Plagueis who created Anakin thanks to the Force, the novel clearly indicates the miraculous side of this achievement, and the fact that despite his power and knowledge, he never succeeded in doing it again, because it was the will of the Force. And anyway, I'm not a big fan of this version of Anakin's birth being caused by a Sith. For the same reasons, it diminishes the narrative impact of the fact that he was born without a father. If the same result can be obtained in a "normal" way, without any notion of prophecy or chosen one, then there's no narrative reason to have made Anakin a fatherless child. It's like saying that Jesus was born of the will of the Holy Spirit, but that in the next village, there's a chick who did the same thing by drinking a magic potion. It makes the event less important symbolically. After that, I'm not totally closed to the idea of a birth similar to Anakin's. But it has to have at least as much symbolism, and a complete narrative arc. Anakin's destiny is 6 films and 7 seasons of a cartoon. Not a single line of dialogue in a flashback to a TV series whose events we know will have no major impact on the galaxy, since we already know what's going to happen 50 years and 100 years later. Osha and Mae are not important in the lore. It might have been different if it had taken place 1,000 years in the past, or even 500 years. But here, only one generation separates them from the Naboo Blockade. Whatever the conclusion of the show, by this time the Jedi have no knowledge that the Sith still exist, and that one of them has trained a Force cult witch to murder Jedi. It's an unimportant story, an incident in the history of the Galaxy. As I said, there's no need for it here - there were other ways to have girls in a community without men. Technology, alien race, adoption, using a donor. It's not original, as we've already seen with Anakin, and they even use Schmi's lines. And it's not pleasant, because it diminishes the strength of the symbol of the Chosen of the Force, by making one of its features less unique. Personally, all I see is a weakening of the symbolism of the Chosen One, with no narrative interest to justify it. As for the fire, yes, there's certainly something fishy going on, and I'm sure there's been some sort of mix-up, like a misunderstanding between the witches and the Jedis, and a confrontation, or something like that, which would explain why Sol is there at exactly the same time. But frankly, I was so pissed off about the whole Force birth thing (call it magic if you want, it's the Force they're using) that I had no tolerance for the end of the episode, especially since the editing was so bad.

[@jq8913]

If they are going to use flashbacks i really think they work better when combined with present day events. Having the entire episode be a flashback just doesnt do it for me because you have to rely on the children actors to carry it and i personally felt the acting was terrible. You can hide it with shorter flashbacks and then going back to how it affected present day events. This episode just felt bland and after 3 episodes im not nearly as onvested as i was after the 1st episode.

[@SupersonicMan10000]

This episode was awfull, and boring. Perhaps it would have been better told through a series of flashbacks. Also, how can you have a fire spread when the walls are stone? How did everyone die? Perhaps there was a battle between the witches and the Jedi that we did not see, and would explain the need for revenge.

[@WhyNotCollect]

Sounds like your life is awful and boring. Prayers your way man.

[@palindrome8742]

I would imagine much of it is unknown in order to illustrate the event through the memory of a human child. People are generally wrong when recalling past events, even recent events. A child would probably fill in gaps of memory to make sense of past events. Traumatized people probably invent more false memories like imagining someone died when actually they disappeared from their field of view.

[@IrrelevantPerson]

Yeah we don’t know the story yet they definitely didn’t die from the fire, although castle fires have been a thing for a long time and fire spreads surprisingly well

[@darthhooah6596]

Jedi = CPS in this ...

[@ImprovedCameraman]

This just makes anakin's birth pointless now

[@nerokakashi939]

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[@davemcbroom695]

I was really hoping the series was going to be good