The firsts QUADS done this season - (Mia Kalin, Mao Shimada) JGP Ostrava 2022

[@jesuslover2468]

From an analytical stance, Mao has better toe loop technique than Mia. Mia steps up one leg first to get into rotation where toe loops are required to have both legs lift off at the same time to be considered textbook quality.

[@justappearances]

Show me anywhere in the ISU official guidelines that would describe textbook technique as you do it. It doesn't exist, this technique works well on stockier people with short legs and it would not work well on other body types, especially with longer legs. Techniques vary and there's no one universal technique that would work on everybody, ISU knows it, that's why they don't look at it the way you do

[@jesuslover2468]

@@justappearances Any toe loop with a step-up is called a toe axel and that is not a good toe loop. Body types is not an excuse at all for not doing toe loops properly. Yuna Kim has long legs why didn't she step up into her toe loop? Because she had good coaches and worked to maintain textbook techniques

[@aniawacht3882]

@@jesuslover2468 what are you talking about, kicking your leg in the air is not a toe Axel, a toe Axel is when you legit do and Axel instead. Just cause you leg kicks up first? That’s good technique in my eyes

[@aniawacht3882]

@@jesuslover2468 if I’m being honest Yuma kim didn’t have the best toe technique and she was still very short, prob not even 5’4”

[@Dddddddwl4fu]

Don't say things you don't know. Kim Yu-na is also technically famous. There may be good coaches, but she has made more efforts on her own. What do you mean short? Is 163 short?

[@mulberry1320]

Idk maybe ultra c elements shouldn't be done in the junior circuit (especially in women's comps), I would like to see these kids last more than one Olympic cycle

[@ksenopsina]

мальчики прыгают квады с юниорских лет, и ты почему-то не переживаешь за их здоровье. Ты в курсе, что такое доброжелательный сексизм?

[@dariakrivolapova]

Сексизм? Давайте, девочки сами решат, прыгать им или нет.

[@DS-us1vi]

They may not be able to do it as adults. Women have a less aerodynamic body after or once beginning puberty.

[@wkim22]

I don't see any point of holding these girls back from doing what their male counterparts have been doing for a long time. I think they should allow quads in women's short. ISU shouldn't hold these ladies back unless they're insecure of women scoring higher than men which seems to be the case.

[@georgiasmith7615]

Mia’s GOE seems awfully low compared to what they used to give the Russian ladies.

[@justappearances]

She really gave up after her first fall and started to look like she didn't even want to be there

[@tanyagerasimik9394]

I don't like how coaches teach the sick technique. I mean Mia's jumps. It's cheating

[@starsmoon0216]

Russians are done!!!! Not welcome in the skating community.

[@sho0508]

Mao Shimada’s triple axel is similar with Mao asada’s

[@Pauchyyalapka]

у первой девочки вообще прыжки не нравятся, они выглядят хлипко и коряво. У Мао красивые, крутка такая быстрая, что даже не поняла бы, что это был триксель)) Надеюсь, что у нее все сложится! А первой бы технику уверенную поставил кто нибудь, пока она все ноги себе не передумала или спину, что еще хуже..

[@sanderslol6694]

Японки как всегда космос 💫

[@LenaLight0204]

女子の4Tは、やっぱりフルブレで跳ぶ人が多いね。

[@reroad7101]

トゥへの負担でしょうね〜 まだ子供なのもあって怪我しないようにフルブレにしてるんでしょうね

[@LenaLight0204]

一理あります。あと、採点の雰囲気はロシアが居なくても、ほとんど変わっていませんし。

[@reroad7101]

@@LenaLight0204 この子のLz-ToのセカンドT見ればわかるのですが、セカンドTはフルブレで飛んでいないんですよね。 あと、梨花ちゃんが挑戦した4回転がサルコウだったのもおそらく梨花ちゃんはフルブレで跳ぶことができなかったからだと思ってます。 採点、ロシアいてもいなくても確かに変わっていませんね〜。スケ連としてはもうテキストジャンプじゃなくてもいいといった考え方みたいに見受けられます。

[@LenaLight0204]

それもありますね。成功の条件は、回りきってること、着氷に成功してることの2つでしょうね。

[@Catalina_Estevez]

Es necesario practicar diferentes quads el 4S, 4F y 4Lo, 4Lz, incluso practicar las combinaciones más difíciles 3Lz+3Lo.

[@user_sirius777]

good technique , all the girls gather very cleanly in the air , it would be interesting to see their full program 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@dantarctica9430]

No… they’re both prerotated on the quad with full blade assistance, which is very hard on the skater’s back. If you need evidence, look into Eteri Tutberidze’s girls.

[@niln7967]

Thanks, i think 3 axel was 180 pre , but she is lovely girl , love her name (mao) mostly ❤️❤️❤️

[@joetam1461]

3A with 180 pre is called 3B

[@joetam1461]

@Christina Scott That 3B is referring to Nathan Chen

[@joetam1461]

@Christina Scott Also Evan Lysacek

[@niln7967]

@Christina Scott kamila does Not have 180 pre axel, she is around 90

[@niln7967]

And for record one has it once doesn't mean he /she has it always, sometimes athletes are nervous or ice situation where they doing their jumps makes it different (wrong) from the way they used to do their jumps normally, i referring it to both kamila and mao v2.0

[@酢酸-x3x]

ミアさんも麻央さんも4Tはモリスみたいにフルブレードだね。 麻央さんの3Aもめっちゃスキッドしてる。

[@reroad7101]

島田さんはセカンドトゥループをフルブレードで飛んでいないのでおそらく怪我回避のためにわざと4Tはフルブレードなのだと思われます。

[@bnao430]

島田選手の名前は、「麻央」です。この動画の字体は間違っています。 誤変換しやすいのでしょう。(´-ω-`)

[@olgaszoke9241]

Where is Dave Lease to lie now and say this was legit? US skate is shit, she is 14 doing quads now, these are not going to be there by the Olympics

[@jorgebonilla2234]

He would agree with you lol. The funniest trope among critics of Dave (and there are valid criticisms to be sure) is that he’s somehow blindly pro-US skaters

[@wanderlustxhours]

Lmao he’s the first to call out Mia’s bad techniques literally, they don’t complement Mia at all. 😂

[@yohanes2034]

Mia Kalin face at the K&C was a little hearbreaking. She thought that if she landed quads she would medal. Unfortunately she doesn't have the Rusfed/ usfs overscoring. In reality there's nothing much to talk about in her program. Her skating skills are undeveloped, program empty, and she's not engaged during the performance.

[@Catalina_Estevez]

?? La temporada 2022 SIN PATINADORAS RUSAS, era la oportunidad de competir y tener igual o mejor puntaje que las rusas... Si su Patinadora Mía Kalin no está en el podio es por qué su patinaje es de bajo nivel que no puede superar a las coreanas o Japonesas.... No es culpa de las Patinadoras Rusas o de la Federación Rusa de Patinaje, el pobre nivel de Mía Kalin y las Patinadoras de la ISU.

[@コメコメ-x6v]

4T is also underrotation. But the American judgers qualified it. This is another scoring propaganda!

[@angieortizurena3327]

Cause Shcherbakova’s 3,25 Flutz deserve an 4, 76 GOE…🙄

[@dariakrivolapova]

@@angieortizurena3327 Даже русские задаются этим вопросом, честно говоря

[@biscuitcase83]

Mia's? It was not even Q on landing so clean Mao's was called under

[@biscuitcase83]

@@dariakrivolapova They do?! I like Anna but the way she's so overscored is ridiculous...I didn't know Russian fans also had a problem with it

[@Catalina_Estevez]

No es novedad los saltos ultra C en juniors, pero lo que me sorprende es que no haya más japonesas, Norteamericanas o de otros países, haciendo quads o 3A, Necesitan más competencia en sus propios países y también hacer otros tipos de quads cómo el 4Salchow o 4Flip. Se necesita más avance y no retroceder o estancarse en el patinaje artístico.

[@dariakrivolapova]

(Скажем спасибо Гугл, что я могу вам понять и вы меня тоже) Я думаю, фигурное катание развивалось из-за России (русские женщины первыми прыгали квады, в прошлом 2021-2022 сезоне русская девочка прыгнула четверной риттбергер, например) А сейчас, уровень будто упал даже, техники 100 среди японоу и американок мы видимо еще долго не увидим

[@Catalina_Estevez]

@@dariakrivolapova (A Google hay que agradecer no solo entendernos, también conocer que sucede en otras partes del mundo, a pesar de la Censura) Cómo mencionas los Quads y saltos complejos en Damas empezó con las Patinadoras Rusas. la Nueva Era del Patinaje Artístico en Damas que inicio el 2018 con las Patinadoras Rusas Trusova en Juniors y Zagitova en Senior, hizo que el patinaje en damas creciera enormemente. Las competencias internacionales de la ISU en Damas, Parejas y Danza (en Junior y Senior) en esta temporada, obviamente van a ser de bajo nivel por el veto de la ISU hacia los Patinadores Rusos. En la categoria junior en Damas, vemos que muy pocas Patinadoras tienen quads o 3A (solo una Japonesa y dos Norteamericanas), esto muestra que dentro de sus propios países la competencias interna es baja. A diferencia de las competencias nacionales rusas en Junior y Senior, que son competitivas en damas.

[@dariakrivolapova]

@@Catalina_Estevez Знаете, я согласна я вами. Я думаю, из-за такой конкуренции фигуристки не стараются превзойти себя и других. Это грустно, ведь квады - это круто и зрелищно

[@Catalina_Estevez]

@@dariakrivolapova Si, una lastima por qué el patinaje artístico femenino y en general debe avanzar y no estancarse o retroceder. La ISU es responsable del bajo nivel de las competencias internacionales está temporada.

[@dariakrivolapova]

@@Catalina_Estevez Согласна с вами полностью

[@typicalhexx]

mao does quadtoe to

[@typicalhexx]

sorry i didnt see it

[@加藤紗里の愛弟子]

上げ選手は見逃されるから正しいジャンプを跳ぶ必要性を感ぢないんだょな

[@РомановВасилийНиколаевич]

Это им не надо проще русских не пустить и прыгать двойные.

[@harkmi3]

Hey Orc, don’t you have a Putin rally to attend?

[@ЛарисаФедосеева-ъ9к]

Н-да, труба пониже, дым пожиже) Очень сильное копирование школы Тутберидзе, но класс не тот.

[@harkmi3]

Why are Orcs commenting here?

[@ЛарисаФедосеева-ъ9к]

@@harkmi3 кто как обзывается, тот так называется) Это русская поговорка!

[@ksenopsina]

@@harkmi3 а оркам нельзя комментировать? Дискриминация!

[@dariakrivolapova]

@@harkmi3 потому что можем, представьте Может я и не согласна с комментарием, но опускаться до оскорблений это позорно

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

I don't think ladies should do quads in juniors.

[@Daria.atelier]

this is discrimination against women women have the right to do everything the same as men if they consider it possible for themselves. no one has the right to restrict women in their rights and opportunities.

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

@@Daria.atelier but women can't do quads. They're not strong enough. The only way women can do quads is through abuse. They have to be anorexic and use poor technique.

[@Daria.atelier]

@@Jeremy-wp4yh Women have equal rights with men. And it seems to have been decided a long time ago and is not disputed anywhere. If they want to, they have the right to do it.

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

@@Daria.atelier eteri has the most injured skaters in the world. She has a very high body count of destroyed bodies. The western world doesn't want that

[@Daria.atelier]

@@Jeremy-wp4yh You clung to Eteri because you don't like her, you don't like that thanks to her there are many stars in figure skating in Russia now and many victories. This is the result of many years of work by Eteri and her team. It took more than 15 years for these stars to appear. This is primarily the work of a coach, a figure skater and his parents. If they all chose this profession together, then they agreed with all the consequences. Dig up other coaches around the world, how many injured athletes they have and provide objective statistics on all coaches, and do not blame one.

[@Couch-Tomato]

浅田真央にあやかって、親が真央って名前にしたんだろうなぁ。

[@reroad7101]

お母様が浅田真央さんのファンだそうです。

[@niln7967]

@@reroad7101 who isn't, Mao Asada =goddess

[@reroad7101]

@@niln7967 ?? I have no idea with your comment.

[@kamui607]

「麻央」 読みは同じで字は違いますね。

[@WeLoveSkating1]

Queen Mao ❤️

[@liceous]

Eteri is ripping her weave out rn 😳

[@Catalina_Estevez]

No lo creo...desde el 2020 en Rusia otros entrenadores Rusos están entrenando quads y 3A en sus estudiantes junior - Davidov con Samodelkina. - Pluschenko con Titova, Muravieva, Zhilina. En Rusia en la actualidad hay patinadoras de otras escuelas que hacen saltos ultra C (incluyendo a Tuktamisheva con Mishin) Nota: No hay que olvidar las Patinadoras de otros países que compitieron contra las chicas Tutberidze: - 2018 Kihira con sus 3A, en senior. - 2019 You y Kihira ambas con 3A en senior. Y Liu con quads y 3A en junior.

[@savanahbabyyyy]

Most likely not. Kami just got her 4T back, and Adeliia upgraded a few days ago with a new 4S now having a 4Lo, 4T, 4S, 4F along with a new 3A as well. She might be the new upcoming star of Teamtut seniors with the trio Anna, Aliona, and Trusova out. The new ultra-c senior trio of tut this season might be Kami, Sofia A, and Adeliia since both Maia and Daria have failed to keep up the trio domination last season. Junior Alisa Dvoeglazova is landing more stable 4Lz's which is an upgrade from her original 4T in comps and has gained a 3A. Sofia A still has her 3A, 4T, and 4S. Unless her whole army of ultra-c skaters jump ship to CSKA (joining Aliona and Trusova there) Eteri's weave will remain blonde and intact. She is probably sweating a little about the new CSKA 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 year olds with 3A's, 4F's, and 4Lz's in Russia also going for 3Lz+3Lo jumps like the past two olympians (Anna and Alina). They're gaining fast. Mao Shimada with her nice skating should pray she doesn't end up like Rika at 19 and that she upgrades with a set of 4S, 4F, 4Lo, and 4Lz before Russia's return (the new juniors at 10 years old are already doing 4F and 4Lz with 3A's---honestly I doubt that Russia will be back anytime soon before 2026 but we never know. They might be banned forever). Rika the best of Mae's former students was out almost two seasons and was outlasted by the main ultra-c Tut girls she went up against and missed the olympic face off against her fellow skaters Anna & Trusova. Sadly Rika's still sufferingdoing doubles with a never ending injury after Mie Hamada with those triple axels and unstable quads so Shimada's future based on Rika's does not look too bright. Maybe she'll leave before turning 18 and getting Rika's fate or at least before being "dragged around the rink by her ponytail", enduring physical punishment and joining in the lawsuit against Mie with the other former skaters.

[@joseolmos8797]

Northamerican are the best now?

[@Catalina_Estevez]

En mi Opinión las Norteamericanas no son las mejores, están intentando competir, pero les falta aún. Supuestamente las japonesas en junior y senior, deberían estar en los primeros lugares está temporada. Pero en junior solo hay una patinadora japonesa, no hay más. En senior, hay más variedad como Sakamoto, Higuchi, Hamada y el retorno de Kihira (la única con saltos ultra C).

[@joseolmos8797]

@@Catalina_Estevez el país del norte quiere acaparar todas las luces comprando deportistas talentosos de otros países. Para mí no son para nada los mejores y se extraña el estilo de las rusas no sólo en hielo sino tb en muchas otras disciplinas. Espero todos puedan comprender que el deporte une

[@Catalina_Estevez]

@@joseolmos8797 Tal cual comentas👍, en mi opinión las competencias de la ISU está temporada van a estar en un bajo nivel en Junior y Senior (sólo Varones tendrá nivel en Junior y Senior). Sin las Patinadoras Rusas, es como ver Catar 2022 sin los mejores países compitiendo. Una lastima que la Hipocresía Política se haya apoderado de los deportes, perjudicando a los atletas rusos y a los fans de los deportes.

[@wickedwitch7456]

There are many rising Japanese junior skater like mao shimada, hana yoshida, etc and in the men's too. All the junior competitions so far have been dominated by Japanese and Korean skaters. Even now, soho lee is just no 2 after the sp in riga

[@Catalina_Estevez]

@@wickedwitch7456 - En el caso de las damas junior solo Shimada ha mostrado nivel competitivo en su patinaje (por los saltos ultra C) el resto de Patinadoras junior japonesas no muestran ese nivel. - En el caso de los varones junior japoneses, si hay nivel competitivo en varios Patinadores. - Ante la prohibición de los Patinadores Junior Rusos, deberían ser los Patinadores Japoneses Junior que tomen los primeros lugares en cada competencia. En el caso de las Patinadoras Junior Coreanas en temporadas anteriores hemos visto que están trabajando su patinaje (y entrenando saltos ultra C) Tanto Patinadoras Junior Japonesas y Coreanas, deberían aprovechar la ausencia de las Patinadoras Junior Rusas, Por que también las Patinadoras Junior Norteamericanas, va a aprovechar esto (los jueces van a apoyarlas). Nota: Damas, Parejas y Danza en junior tendrán bajo nivel está temporada, el puntaje es una muestra de eso.

[@user-mc3hz2dv4x]

ゆっくり、ジュニアで力を蓄えて欲しいです

[@dariakrivolapova]

Это хорошо, что они делают эти прыжки. Но очень прыжки грязные и тяжелые, мы можем видеть, что до русских девочек им далеко, очень далеко

[@yachuchuang3651]

Most of Russian girls’ quads look equally stiff and heavy… not to mention their terrible pre-rotations 😂