The FLEA MARKET Survey Results ARE OUT! | Tarkov News

[@Jon-gx6de]

Every Hideout upgrade should be either craftable or not have FIR requirement. Being hideout locked is a lot more frustrating then task locked IMO

[@cotyshotyou]

I found a casual

[@tompeters5903]

I don’t understand this. So what if you can’t build a hideout module? None of them are necessary to progress until you get to LK.

[@itsmelegend1192]

I haven’t had much trouble upgrading the hideout, it’s just more time consuming but makes it more rewarding when you find that certain item you’ve been looking for. And like someone else mentioned you don’t actually need your hideout upgraded to play the game

[@rosaparks2102]

@@tompeters5903yeah but you miss out on the ability to craft tons of good shit for money making as well as several units give xp buffs, as well as increasing task reward payouts and reducing scab timer, plus scav case for random loot chances, L take IMO

[@bob89377]

@@tompeters5903exactly none of them are necessary to progress. The hideout brings functionality and quality of life improvements (like the weapon edit screen which really should just be there be default imo). Being locked from those quality of life functions solely because rnjesus has not blessed you is not game breaking sure. But its just frustrating for frustration sake.

[@JohnDoe-ji1zv]

When flee was closed I finally realised that I’m not that bad actually 😂 as everyone had a same conditions, no chads running around after few days of wipe even few weeks. That was amazing

[@slickdaddycc7506]

Chad's are the ones crying about having the flea maybe they aren't good a Games

[@jamesproimos]

I think it also severely cut back on how many cheaters were playing. I felt like an absolute god for the first few weeks and then as soon as the flea market went up I started running into suspicious players quite frequently. It could just all be coincidence, but I've never had a multi-week success streak like this before in tarkov.

[@justjoe5373]

​@@jamesproimosWhen RMT is disabled cheaters tend to drop

[@Silentheaven89]

That's what Ive been saying for years.if they nerfed the traders and either heavily nerfed the flea or removed it and made the primary way of acquiring gear and items by finding them in raid it would level the playing field and reintroduce high risk high reward and make finding gear and items and surviving raids way more satisfying. There's no satisfaction in extracting with juicy loot when you can simply do a scav run and make 500k and buy those same items from the flea.

[@anktyk]

i think ur not that bad actually unless ur from NA to be honest, everysingle time i watch NA streamers they kill people with most shittiest ammo or gun build possible, u just have to do some research and market is actually nice, but every wipe with no flea for 2 weeks is actually not bad idea, i dont like no flea forver idea tho

[@ForTheJerusalem]

I feel like if you just up the loot, you can remove flea. It would shift cash to loot, which is more interesting that just 'well this is worth more per slot'.

[@maverick9334]

This^^^

[@tacuska7]

This is a very good idea

[@fedolfs]

The problem with removing the flea is that you kill casual players. The one that can only play max 10 raids per week will have no chance, or very little chance, to play with better gear. Personally I am in favour in totally removing the flea, just add more barters for keys, I am fine with the loot how it is also.

[@Northernliiights]

@@fedolfs Thats not the playerbase they are focusing on, they never wanted it to be that way, they want it to be as hardcore as possible.

[@Cashtacular]

@@Northernliiightsthat’s roughly half their player base. Would you get rid of half of your works customers to appease the other half if it meant you lost out on revenue? Those casuals spend money on stash space, drip, and new editions

[@Jaykilla9511]

Closing the flea made early wipe feel so good no chads running the best armor and attachments keys were a struggle but scaving came in clutch

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

almost like a rust wipe? yeah , there needs to be tarkov servers that have weekely bi week and monthly wipes. enough of this catering to DADS AND chads

[@Cave____]

@@MachinedFace88ttv Ehhh, what type of wipe? a loot wipe? a full progress wipe? I think 4-5 month wipes are fine

[@jsnbl3790]

Chads will kill you no matter the conditions. It’s normal for people who have thousands of hours to dog on you…

[@snowcow1173]

Either no found in raid hideout or reduce requirements for hideout, not one person on the planet wants to collect like 50 lightbulbs fir

[@cameronlamb1869]

Boo hoo you have to play the game and loot very common loot that spawns in a million places instead of play a weird version of cod?

[@DarkKnight-bu4xu]

I do. And I'm casual. I'm getting sick of everyone speaking for me. All I see is people saying, " we can't make these changes because the casuals will uninstall. My entire group plays the game casual and we want the flea market gone and everything found in raid.

[@iSURVIVE-n7h]

Exactly work for your loot get a dopamine hit when you find that last fir item you need and then sweat like he'll trying to make it out of raid,it's all part of survival...no we don't want some weird cod like the other dude said we're it's easy everyone has kappa what's the point I've never had kappa 0 interest in it the thrill of the hunt and survival is what it's about...get good stop being a noob

[@ElliotDB748]

@@cameronlamb1869 hurr ma durr murr, if you dont like scraping tech crates for light bulbs then you want the game to be cod!!! hur murr You're a lvl 15 andy with 200 raids, please never type this braindead take again

[@flextape7323]

@@DarkKnight-bu4xu im a casual stop speaking for me, the flea is fun and good, only people who truly suck at the game dont like the flea existing fuck off

[@BucketKingu]

With the flipping on Flea, all they need to do is add a new tag to items. 'Trader/Flea Item'. Can't be sold on the flea if bought from traders or flea market. There, done, fixed in an instant.

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

@@BucketKingu but that would kill the rmt ban credit card scam nooooo !!! - Nikita

[@cotyshotyou]

-21 FPS

[@AmmoPack]

That’s called found in raid lol

[@JaegersB_ttplug]

@@AmmoPackno it’s not

[@MrRaja]

Or just simply remove flea market entirely or limit it to only ammo and meds.

[@GIGyards]

Survey should've asked: A) Flea B) No Flea C) Limited Flea with quest items/keys adjusted for accessibility I may have put unsure as my answers because C) is the answer I would have given. It's not as clear cut as yes or no because I think both ways long term are flawed.

[@esantostech]

This

[@miguelcanizares7522]

they can just do more barter trades, higher spawns or straight up sell them

[@x420BigBearx]

new bug were foot step sounds are like multiplied or sounds faster when someone is walking towards you its almost creepy when you hear it

[@VoyKarma]

yeah ive noticed scavs sound like they are speed hacking its crazy

[@jacuul6735]

That's gotten me a few times where I think someone is running up on me but it's actually just my feet like a foot to the left/right

[@guilhermeandreucemonteiro1696]

I think the flea market is the main reason there are so many cheaters in Tarkov. If there were no way for cheaters to profit, why would they even bother? Also, the moment you unlock the flea market, the game changes drastically! If you have a couple of hours to farm money, you can get tier 4-5 gear, the best gadgets, etc. This wipe, the first few weeks without the flea market have been so much fun. However, the FIR requirement for the hideout felt kinda schizo-it completely changed the gameplay, making it all about grabbing items and extracting.

[@kevbizzzz]

Thats the part that I liked ! Felt the same with my last corrugated hose for a upgrade than I did with a gpu.

[@RumHam93]

Same. On my 4th scav junk box due to having sooooo much loot laying around in my inventory. FIR for the hideout is 100% a grind this season

[@Davineitor005]

How the FFFk do you get tier 5 gear on the flea market? All the armor vests come without plates and the best plates that you can buy are lvl 4, same for the weapons the best ammo you can possibly buy struggles to pen tier 5 armor so where do people get this idea from? I'm legit curious

[@kharics2122]

People have to realise that Cheaters will always be a thing regardless of what BSG changes.... the only TRUE change that would destroy cheating as in for profit FOR THE MOST PART! is if they wouldnt allow Flea, no partys, no server selection and even possibly if you die you drop no loot in case the seller and buyer achiev to end up in the same lobby. Else they would just buy carry runs where the cheater Rage hacks the entire lobby etc.

[@rousrouslan4023]

Why people cheat in CS or APex for an example if there is no flee and items to trade? You're delusional

[@Scorpid_Black_Dragon]

I liked this specific survey because its rewards for me were 2x Pressure gauges, which is what I absolutely needed to level up to Lavatory 3. Thank you, BSG!

[@jacobtucker5719]

Possible reason for the FIR percentage being low(10:35) is that the change could have drove people away from playing so they wouldn't log in to see the survey and add to that percentage.

[@bob89377]

Yea i was thinking that. The complaints everywhere but the actual game indicates to me that a majority of players who took the survey are biased in favor of it. Because those who were put off by this aren’t logging in.

[@na2cho]

Or, perhaps, most people prefer to not have it. Imagine that.

[@killerbas40]

​@@bob89377 queue timers are already way longer, and comparitively more 5k hour players or 38 hour 22kd ones i come across. Also way less flea market offers atm, i would be really curious to see the player count rn

[@ElliotDB748]

@@na2cho "possible" hurr ma durr murr

[@na2cho]

@@ElliotDB748 people that are so fickle as to leave the game and not play over the flea not being implemented at wipe, will just leave for another reason next wipe. Fuck those people. They should’ve stuck around if they wanted their votes heard.

[@Hypersonic_Squid]

4:14 is when the audio crack will still play if you are in line with a shooter but they shoot away from you. Gigabeef has a video on this. This should greatly help you determine if you're actually getting shot at.

[@zinflexy]

I answered "Not sure" because I've always prefered the scavenging playstyle, I've made most my money on the flea, but I'm quite familliar with what traders buy stuff for and what I need for the hideout. My main problem was keys, and I got stuck on Dorms 114 until flea opened. They need to add more barters and crafting recipes for anything that is notoriously rare or has a FIR requirement tied to quest and the hideout. If we have more alternatives the flea can be done away with completely, but the way it was implemented in this first round made it damn tempting to just ask them to revert everything.

[@crusher320]

Your videos push me to get better in PVP and sometimes I get discouraged and go pack to PVE but you always put into perspective and it makes me feel confident for PVP, thanks for the awesome video and polls! Liked and commented for algorithm!

[@Airwingmarine]

Appreciate you, glad you like the content.

[@BuckScrotumn]

If you die in PvP, at least you died like a man.

[@michaelsilvester8663]

Great video as always mate. It's 1 am here and the sound in your music at 3:15 made me absolutely shit my pants i had to rewind and make sure it was actually part of the video😂

[@FrostyPumpernickle]

Thank you for showing us the info dude! I always appreciate your videos.

[@davef5916]

before the flea market existed, I remember grinding soooo long just to get a customs marked room key because I needed a chance to get a keychain or docs case. I remember the exact moment I found it at the checkpoint on woods. Traders didnt have either of them. Shit was an unreal rush that Ive remember through like 7000 hours playing tarkov. It's not all bad.

[@BloodDraco122]

The new rifle could possibly be the AM-17 made by Kalashnikov Concern, made to replace the AKS-74U in service. The 5,45 version is said to have an RoF between 850-900 RPM and can use most AK pattern magazines. There is also a 9x39mm variant called the AMB-17 with an integral suppressor but its fire-rate is lower at 700 RPM.

[@praxidike]

"Not sure", the state of being without certainty due to a multitude of factors. The most glaringly obvious being that an agent did not experience the antecedent event (having no flea), and therefore cannot be certain if the game is more or less engaging without the flea.... Pretty straight forward.

[@nickz6964]

I answered not sure, because I play pve only, and never lost the flea. So I didn’t know what it was like to not have it, so I polled not sure instead of lying and skewing the numbers.

[@val0rmore526]

Thanks for the video!

[@kenalbus]

I love your point about sample sizes. BSG also touched upon that a little with the Twitter community responses vs the in-game votes. People often seem to focus on the response of the angry vocal minority (especially about games). It's refreshing to hear folks put things into perspective.

[@Merguin]

For the Flee: A couple of simple rules that would fix it: 1. Allow only gear (weapons, armor, apparell, medical stuff (no stims) to be listed for the first couple of weeks (3-4), no hideout items, no ammo, no keys, no weapon atachments, etc 2. Allow flipping of items from traders ,but limit the maximum price they can be listed at, at the flee of 50% more then the buy price from the traders, eg: an ump costs 450$ and you can list it for up to 675$ (numbers are just an example) 3. Give every quest key at least 2 bartes with 2-3 different items needed per (maybe make it a new trader for only quest keys/ items?) 4. Give items batered from traders (not ref), FIR status, remove any barter loops if existing (eg, barter milk and sugar into moonshine, bater moonshine into 20 energy drinks, bater energy drinks into milk or sugar, this is an example, i have not checked if there are barter loops ingame atm) 5. Allow ammo to be listed on the flee, only in ammo packs of the same amount as found in raid (give the ability to pack FIR bullets into ammo backs in your stash), such ammo packs cannot be opened until sold on the flee (you could make it so only FIR ammo packs can be opened and once bought on the flee, they get the FIR status), remove ability to open ammo packs in raid (spicy) 6. Increase the sell value of hideout items, as they are basically useless, if not Found in raid, OR make it so that FIR hideout items sold on flee are still FIR, that would give these items their value back This should fix most of not all issues players and bsg have with the flee and most parts of the economy. This would also remove RMT, as you only need to monitor high value items, as no other items will be used for RMT, as they would need too many. Point 6. is one i am not sure about, but something needs to be done for the hideout items, are they are a big part of the loot you can gather and they become totally useless once your progress your hideout a bit, as they have barely any value in rubel. Also: the answers they had preselected in both surveys very complete dogshit. There really needs to be done something, as of right now they get the wrong answers from these, as their answers are not good. Explaining what could be done better, or what would have been better questions will take some time, so I will not write that here.

[@swagpriest6562]

I used to enjoy playing Escape from Tarkov casually. While I like PvP and don’t mind fighting, I tend to avoid hot spots because I often can’t win against the more skilled players (chads). When missions get tough, I switch to loot runs to make money. I focus on selling items, maximizing the profit, and then use that to upgrade my hideout. It always cheered me up to walk around in my hideout in first-person view, feeling like I had built a proper home. However, loot runs don’t feel rewarding anymore because the items don’t sell for much. Upgrading my hideout is also harder now. PvP feels tough because I often have weak bullets and can’t kill other players effectively. Since I can't craft stronger bullets, which are expensive when sold, I feel stuck. I’ve tried progressing in missions and did many, but I’m not seeing much improvement. That is my take on tarkov rn.

[@Larsni99]

Flipping items on market has an easy fix. All they gotta do is change it so that items found in raid, including items that are stored in safe container are counted as FIR even if you die, then fix so all the items that you purchase cant be put up for sale.

[@dombrist_from_kz]

0:36 It's like a Mutant for 5.45. As far as we know from the teaser, it's probably an AR-15-based carbine, the NL545, from the Russian arms company CGNL (Custom Guns Next Level). Funny fact: they are also known for the ADAR-15 (previously under the name Molot Arms). Anyway, I wasn’t surprised by the results of the poll. For me and my buddy, this wipe has been much more fun early on-except for a few things: We couldn't do the Shoreline quest until the Flea Market opened and we could buy the necessary keys. We struggled to find some rare items for the hideout, like the Intelligence Folder or the Military Power Cable-it’s purely luck-based. I think BSG should add more quest keys for barter and maybe even introduce crafting options for hideout upgrade items across different modules. Thanks again for news covering.

[@samhill7817]

Oh man the military power cable is such a pain, just at that now.

[@cvonnell]

Just go Ligthhouse or Reserve and Intel Spawns in Drawers. Doable but Grindy.

[@dombrist_from_kz]

@@cvonnell thanks pal. I know drawers can spawn intel folder and other useful stuff.But it again RNG, i got two folders in to raids, my buddy still hasn't even one. And lighthouse it's pure shit show, we play at Russian server's and goddamm, lighthouse now days feels like labs, full of cheaters or sweaty guys who kill anyone at sight.

[@oumajgad6805]

I was swimming in military cables. Still don't have a ledx though. Fun wipe. Over a month in and still looted just one, but died with it stuck up my ass so it somehow doesn't count.

[@PacDeadlock]

I've been saying they need to add a "bought from traders/flea" status that prevents players from selling it on the flea and gets removed once you enter a raid with it. That way people stop flea flipping and you can still sell player gear you get in raids. They can tweak it to only equipment attachments if people start going into raids naked with their secure container full and maybe stop the status from changing if the item brought in isn't taken out with a survived status.

[@bitBeast_Za]

As someone that was around and grinding Kappa & tracksuit in 2020 with the no restrictions flea, I want that back. But the no flea experience was definitely preferred, Guess I'm just an all or nothing kinda guy.

[@Fuyu-Tsubaki]

I feel like there should be more restrictions in some ways and less restrictions in other ways for the flee. Some of it can probably be solved by having the traders have all the necessary quest related stuff except a few outliers like the bloody rusted key and the marked room keys needed for some quests. But stuff that is just generally easy to get like food and drinks should probably be mostly if not fully available for purchase on flee, cosmetic only items should also be fully available on the flee. The hideout issues can probably be solved by making tools not be used up and making some grindy materials like military power filters craftable obviously not too easy though or that creates another issue entirely. Maybe make it so you'd have to buy blueprints etc for those materials? I also don't think forcing FIR for flee would always be a good idea, but forcing it on certain items may fix some of the balance issues trader flipping has caused. Edit: Restricting the sale of weapons and mods, other high tier gear and ammo could also be a way to make sure we don't have the meta pvp sweats ruining the game for everyone else. Also frustration for the sake of frustration is only bound to push people away and make people leave the game instead, hence my view that the game should be playable most of the way through without needing to hope RNG is on your side. I felt this first hand trying to find those military power filters. It took me 73 raids to finally find one. That is NOT a fun experience.

[@redacted4167]

Good breakdown! Very fair points you make. Great video!

[@Ad_mo]

I'm late to this video, but I hope someone sees this. A bounty system instead of the flea would be VERY engaging and could increase cooperation. Ex you could post a bounty(or mission) to have someone with a key you need take you to the room and unlock it for you. Or drop items and such, and you load in together. Would be an extremely fun system

[@seasickslicer7859]

Appreciate the news videos. This is where I get the majority of my info on tarkov.

[@doom3657]

Right now the hardest part is the found in raid for the hideout, I still haven't seen a sledgehammer this wipe.

[@mosin9349]

You’re just super unlucky then, because sledgehammers are everywhere in tool spawn areas

[@BobLovesYou24]

Drills for me

[@killerbas40]

Go interchange scav, back side of goshan, east inside of the building on the map. Shelves are not full of them but every 2 scav raids you can find 1 there especially since noone needs those anymore. Take a good look around because sometimes they are laying diagonally on paper boxes

[@snuffydog8153]

They’re EVERYWHERE. Thank god you don’t need 80 of them. Lol

[@rulymonk6786]

Some people may not have hit the flea market yet to know if them having it closed made a difference. I personally only hit lvl 15 after the market had already opened.

[@WillRulesOverSmacko]

"not sure" to me reads as "I only played PvE but saw there was a survey so am answering it as best I can"

[@alexorth8152]

Instead of found in raid for hideout materials they should make it so certain materials are only allowed to be barter trades instead of sold for money on flea. That way you won't get stuck looking something specific and could barter other materials for them.

[@FMinicucci]

Great content as always, thanks AWM!

[@casualty8751]

Good video! I wish BSG would post how many players are actively playing after 1/2 months after wipe and also what level the majority of player base is

[@XboxUnitD77]

I answers Not Sure, and thats because I only play PvE and the flea was never closed, and my hideout is already maxed so the FiR requirement doesn't affect me beyond how much stuff sells for on the flea.

[@cameronlamb1869]

One things for sure, quest/hideout items for survey answers is brilliant

[@Xenix-xb4gw]

Just wanted to thank you for the years of tarkov news man.

[@thepunisher9928]

“Not Sure” - I didn’t put this but I could make the argument that I’m not sure that the flea being closed is what increased or decreased my feeling of how engaging the game feels. Like maybe I’m not sure if that was the causation and saying Yes (which I did) could be me correlating something that wasn’t actually the cause

[@mrselfrevive6785]

still dont understand so many people.....did we play different games? Like 70% of my pvp was some encounter with people alrdy at trader 3/4 (lvl 35+) even with Flea locked.......flea is the only thing for casual players to even have a slightly chance to compete with some Unemployed Final Boss Guys -Edit: where are these timmys from your poll, why am i only fighting high level player (maybe region diff?)

[@DarkKnight-bu4xu]

I'm a casual, and I want the flea gone. The game was so much better when it wasn't in the game. I think most casuals these days have never experienced the game without and now think the game is impossible without it.

[@2pacboy2]

I think the timmy's are either on PVE or just stopped playing.

[@Taskarnin]

@@2pacboy2am Timmy because I have three kids and a full time job. I play PVE

[@2pacboy2]

@ I feel you brother! And remember so long you have fun, who cares what other say.

[@Player_Redacted]

I voted 'Not sure' to the first question because I did not play during the time the flea was closed, and I exclusively play PvE now. I played during the always open flea in 2020 and 2021, and it was my favorite wipe. I voted for always open and keep flea as is, mainly because I believe if you have the rubles you should be able to buy whatever the hell you want. With Traders being as limited as they are and certain guns, ammo, and armor locked behind late game tasks, it can be a chore to be able to use certain loadouts and gear. If they change what you can buy from traders, make certain items spawn in raid more often, or change some tasks to unlock earlier, maybe my opinion would change, but if I have 20mil and want to run a Lapua because I still haven't had the opportunity to run one of those guns, I should be able to buy one for a lot of money from someone who has it unlocked. Either that, or give barters to traders that unlock earlier for their later game gear, but the barters are more expensive than when you unlock it later.

[@tylersebren7468]

I might be the only guy that actually prefer the hideout being FIR I’ve been playing through with my brother and a friend they have 2 standard accounts with less than 100. And when they find an item they need it’s one of those “WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS RAID NOW” moments which I personally love. But I also like how it extends the feeling of early wipe past just getting lvl 15 imo

[@bogballzzzz5643]

if the flea is completely removed permanently they could fix the key problem by having keys necessary for completing tasks be earned though additional tasks that would be given if the quest was not completed after a certain amount of time. for example if you needed a key for a prappor task and that task was not completed in 48 hours he could give an additional quest that was something like kill 8 scavs with a headshot on customs that would allow you to get the key

[@Nomadd86]

If the flea had guns, ammo and gear only I'd be cool with it. Finding items for craft and hideout is a nice part of the game.

[@Chips-a-Hoy0785]

Maybe they could allow the ammo posted on the flea market, but the highest listing be the price of what the trader would sell it for

[@jeremiasgranquist]

QoL addition to the insurance claiming process would be the ability to highlight or jump straight to the soonest expiring one when you get within the 12h warning. any one agrees?

[@bardouxstinkt1143]

my take would be to restrict the amount of purchases for flea for the day, so you can only buy like 3 weapons, 5 times armor, 500 rounds of ammo, 50 barter items, 10 keys and so on. the only exception would be food and medical supplies.

[@As3th8r]

people didn't realize that it was multiple choice. Also you can expect bsg to mess up the progressing of the data. I think some charts added up to 100% which is not a good form of display if you use multiple choice questions.

[@na2cho]

Then people are dumb, or cannot read, therefore their opinion doesn’t matter.

[@gillieshooter4742]

some of the survey was pretty good, but it fell short when it came to the more specific asks about what to change with the Flea... surveys like this always get interpreted different ways like "if i answer this i dont know how theyll take it" "if i say this they may change it but not this other thing they didnt mention that is needed" etc... i dont think many would say "yup just delete flea and change nothing else" because you REALLY cannot make changes in a vacuum with Tarkov, more so than most games. Gotta have supporting changes to make everything work, or everything adjacent feels like doodoo. and i feel seen... my weekend is Wednesday and Thursday :D I like if they maybe hid flea behind the scav box or a new like 'dead drop' zone in hideout, where you would buy then have to wait for delivery that was some range of time impacted by fence rep or something.

[@Ramzeeb]

As a new player myself, good luck dealing with anyone over level 15, they are basically the terminator with echo location.

[@NerdHerder545]

I answered not sure. I enjoyed the core, in-raid gameplay more, but as someone who really likes using barter trades, and the out of raid macro economy, I felt like that part of the game was missing. I was also concerned that BSG would take the wrong answer from an unreserved yes, and decide that clearly the flea just needs to be removed entirely.

[@ManyJaz]

I think that most if not every item should be craftable in some sense especially if it’s a quest item, (aka tank battery, virtex, and anything along those lines) and then I feel like everything should be on the flea like the magazine that allows you to craft a ledx should be sold on the flea it would bring down the prices of some items and it would make that craft more accessible to everyone and not people who are lucky and find it, I don’t mean stuff like guns, ammo, armor, no I just want items to have no restrictions on what items I can buy on the flea, but man when that flea was closed the game was fun, I didn’t have to worry about chads running around with lvl 5-6 armor and the best ammo and guns vs me with an Adar that has m855 and some lvl 3 armor I had

[@slitheryshankgaming7040]

Easiest fix I thought of for fixing FIR items for hideouts is allowing people to choose the way they want to play. I.e. “Normal” (Tarkov from 2019-2022 rules regarding FIR, Flea, etc) and “Hardcore” (what we have now and limited Flea uses). It could’ve been placed at the character creation screen. Or allow players to have a hardcore and normal character that they can switch between. Regardless of what you chose, you can still play with each other on the same server (similar to the traveling events). Not respecting people’s time is what made me not login for this wipe. RIP Standard players w/ the FIR Hideout change

[@endlessnight2453]

I have played the game since before the flea market ever existed that being said unrestricted flea was the most fun i had in tarkov being a level 15 pmc being able to kill a juicer with snb ammo out of my mosin actually made the game fun its not perfect for everyone but its by far the most fun me and my friends had

[@tomsoyer1786]

Same for me

[@LaughingMan_d8D]

Right now I'm on trying to find VPX drives FIR, and surviving. Hard to find keys for the marked rooms, not paying the prices for them on the FM. A bit annoyed by it, but I will eventually triumph.

[@FINJoni]

Try to run cultist circle with 5 SSDs. I know it is pricy but thats how I got mine.

[@Madsiccmade]

19% unsure is a pretty telling sign of how many people are on PVE

[@midnightlyrics4553]

Actually i did enjoy fir only items for hideout and I enjoyed that I actually need to find items in raid for crafts because I didn't have flea. It's way more challenging this way and a feels a lot more rewarding when you find items that are considered junk early wipe because low prices on flea. It just makes looting in tarkov (which is a core mechanic in this game) so much more worth it. Because when you have flea, a lot of things are pretty boring - you just have to farm enough money with your brain turned off until you can buy whatever you need

[@RPGSulSide]

i feel if you remove all restrictions you just have to look at games like Delta Force or Arena Breakout where you can just buy any top-end gun/armor and attachments from the auction and as long as you just have money. It basically removes gear progression and as long as you are good at making money in the game you will be geared out of your mind all the time. I like early wipes where everybody got kinda shit guns and ammo and it makes fights messy and more engaging. I just played a good solid week of Delta Force and i really began to feel like you barely progress at all while playing. You just "Do stuff" and when you build guns or setup gear you just click "buy" and you get it.

[@popcornandmilk3102]

The only reason I didn't answer that the FIR hideout items is difficult was exactly as you stated it didn't make much sense with the question to me.

[@SirLanik]

I answered not sure. I’ve mostly played PVE up to this point, this is my first PVP wipe. At first it felt ok but after a while I found myself just waiting for flea. Not having had much prior wipe comparison is why I chose unsure. (Though now after more time I would probably choose no.)

[@Airwingmarine]

Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@odysseusbasileus2119]

That 5.45 rifle is actually called "the mutant". It's meant to be an AR-styled rifle chambered in 7.62 but the manufacturers have expressed interest in making it in 5.45. Pretty cool that this variant is being added to Tarkov.

[@AmmoPack]

There already is a Mutant in 7.62

[@loganmacneil3424]

Incorrect its the Custom Guns NL545

[@MechE343]

Agreed. Flipping items from the traders to the flea devalues progression, but you should absolutely be able to sell other players' gear and non-FIR items.

[@crocodileproduction4882]

2:30 I actually have seen btr spawn from the “south un post” exfil in this wipe, so it’s already in the game

[@MRnofail]

Okay that's good! I was worried it was something wrong on my end when the audio cut out. Hopefully they're on top of it

[@parkervance3574]

I think there should just be a block on the purchase of the things required to upgrade the hideout on the flea market. But also you should be able to utilize the secure container for your hideout because it makes progression a smidge faster but you still have to find the stuff

[@Akusei]

I feel like BSG has the most software regression bugs, so much that it makes me think they don't actually fix these bugs, they just put a bandage on it until it works then forget they had a bandage on it in the next wipe causing it to reappear once again

[@keatonmyers3587]

I think a good trade off for the hideout upgrade system instead of everything be found in raid make half of the cost of upgrades be found in raid ex:( generator lvl2 have the car batteries need to be found in raid and the spark plugs while the other things needed can be bought outta flea market or crafted ) I wouldn’t mind that as a trade off having to find the higher end items needed to be found in raid but EVERYTHING NEEDDED was a bit much for me personally

[@blackthorn357]

I'm fine with locked/no flea and FIR for hideout for the most part. My only suggestion would be for lvl 1 hideout be non-FIR.

[@Lotsofcaps]

I think FIR hide could work, but only for later upgrades. Maybe add an optional currency fee if the items are not FIR? So you can still just brute force it with money if you want to. Slow down the end game people. It won't effect the people that won't even get there anyway. Things like the later tiers of the bitcoin farm could make the last tier of GPUs need to be FIR too.

[@xL3TH4LxV3N0Mx]

I feel like the PVE question is still valid. I have a group of 3 people (myself included) who wipe PVE every season manually to keep it fresh. I just started in December so I'm getting to see all the changes as if I were PVPing. Not a majority of the PVE just wanted to say we are out there wiping with PVP

[@jonw7214]

I hope the event to unlock the flea is the next experiment.

[@Cam082567]

I think that the flea should limit mainly just armor, ammo, and guns in almost their entirety. Maybe keep class 2-3 up on the flea, but armor and ammo especially needs to be limited. Everything else doesn’t really affect the Tarkov pvp experience, and keeps engagements fresh. They also need to gut certain ammo crafts, being able to craft an entire case of 7.62 bp sucks to play against.

[@ocean3708]

I personally like the fir requirement for the hideout. Makes looting more pleasing, not only rushing high value or loose loot spawn spots, but actually looting toolboxes and stuff. The problem is that I think atleast half of the required stuff for the next level for lavatory for example (looking at you sewing kit), should be craftable with the level before. Or with the workbench, but crafting items in your hideout, to upgrade your hideout, would be cool.

[@Azligan]

I was the 17% fully open, but you just reminded me how awful it was, first wipe too.... well, it's my second now, so not much more knowledge here, but thanks for the throwback😂

[@tomsoyer1786]

Fully open was the most fun I've ever had on tarkov, found a red keycard and could play the rest of the wipe like a chad.

[@sweetlou431]

I gave mutiple answers to what changes i would make to flea that contradict each other because i didn't like any of the optional answers provided

[@BtugaRula]

Make so flea market is only open for a limited time during the week. Like weekend only for example

[@mapls]

if flea market closes. they need to make quest keys more accessible.. more barters etc. I only use the flea market primarily for quest stuff and selling rando gear

[@snowi9585]

I chose not sure because I don't feel like I'm qualified or informed enough to make a change here. I don't have a solidified enough opinion on the flea market ban. It did not affect me at all because I got to lvl 4 traders before unlock.

[@maddkiller]

I think getting rid of the fee market during the week but opening it on the weekend is a good middle ground

[@sirsaucy122]

I feel like another 'terrible' solution could be to ban the PURCHASE of armor, ammo, and maybe even guns that you aren't progressed enough to buy from traders OR craft (assuming all but top tier would be eventually available this way). The problem with the flea is that the game has an intentionally designed gear progression balance that it completely bypasses. Most ammo that can be listed can already be found on traders or crafted, with only the highest end restricted. However, by design, the workhorse rounds require actual progression and engagement in order to unlock, like 7.62 PS, 5.45 BT, etc. As it is, for 80+% of the wipe if I want to use 7.62 PS, I can either collect it in raid until I progress Prapor and finish Punisher 1, or I could just scav once to get the money to buy it on the flea at a markup to totally skip the intended progression. If I could only buy it on the flea once I've finished Punisher 1, then it goes from buying it on the flea because I didn't bother progressing to buying it off the flea because I wanted to have more than I could get off the trader, or off a craft timer. Then we could still have a normal healthy barter/key/case/med/etc. flea for hideout or quests but not have every wipe turn into money runs to buy gear you shouldn't have yet in order to fight other people with gear they shouldn't have yet. Level 40+s should be a minority even halfway through a wipe, but everyone is geared like they are 40+ because the flea ignores progression.

[@reign-4213]

this has me very exited for tarkov, i have 2k hours and i like the shifting playing field, i like the intimate looting idea, if no flea, boost the loot, or have only barters until certain events or days you may sell for rubles

[@abelsgarage]

The worst part of this wipe is definitely the hideout for me and all my casual friends we rely on crafts we can’t get to Simply because we can fine bolts or something. The found in raid kills casuals. I think it would be a cool dynamic to have flea only on the weekend to slow down the streamers that can grind 9-5 every day. I do like the idea of max listing or even like a max purchase option of hey you can only buy and sell x amount a day

[@2.0wen]

Simply if Tarkov outright removed the Flea then I'd stop playing. The flea market is one of the more unique and interesting things about Tarkov for me, it's not just where I make rubbles but where I, as a mid to low skill player, get weapon upgrades and other gear like my signature ballistic condors. I'm perfectly fine with it unlocking after lvl 15+ or even a set date after wipe begins, that wouldn't stop me from playing but completely removing it would.

[@wurfyy]

My take has always been that flea market should exist in the game, and you should be able to buy any item for any purpose, including hideout and tasks, but it should sell items at a semitic markup so it's never your first choice for acquiring a particular item, it's more that you can bite the bullet and spend the money if RNG decides to really screw you or something. Also, most of that markup should be a fee that gets deleted from the economy to counter the inflation that happened last wipe and which is happening in PvE. Combine this with making the flea market a set of physical locations in maps that you have to go to, and it'd be brilliant imo. And at this point the entire FiR system could be removed. I do think that probably the one thing players want above all else from the flea is the ability to run their favorite weapons whenever they want. I'd be pretty miffed if I could realistically only run my MP7s after actually finding them in raid. I think this should be acknowledged and the weapons brought down to like the first two trader levels, or maybe the third for the really high end ones, and then for the most part increasing trader levels should just allow you to improve those weapons, with better ammo and mods. I think then people also wouldn't mind the flea becoming far more restricted like this.

[@Snoreboi]

The signature Condors you speak of can be bought from Prapor by playing the game and getting your trader levels up. The majority of people that want flea are just impatient and don't want to put in effort to play the game. It's always wrapped in an abundance of excuses of how they dont have time, items are too difficult to find, cheaters impede my progress etc. The FiR for hideout is fine, it gives purpose to raids if you are not tasking. Hideout items are pointless if you have flea because you just buy everything you need instead of going out and earning it.

[@slickdaddycc7506]

See ya!

[@GunfighterAlpha]

Everything in the game had meaning before the flea, now its hit 15 and play from a scroll bar on the left of the screen. Flea killed Tarkov

[@MerchMetrics]

I’ve always wanted them to build in hardcore so you can play without it if you want to, make the game a lot harder for a wipe if you choose to

[@Raifaga]

Open flea market but with no guns and ammo! Just equipment and resurses for upgrade the hideout. You can still buy ammo and guns from traders...

[@missedme715]

BSG should remove guns, plate holders, grenades from the flea. barters should be found in raid. and remove hideout FIR requirements for upgades

[@nagyarpi57]

i completely agree, i dont really care about most of the gear from flea (apart from attachments), just the hideout items

[@jaggumonk7]

why do y'all wanna make the game worse for yourselves. i don't play the game but i think flea is a really good concept

[@gavinhouston1484]

@@jaggumonk7 Because most of the people wanting to make the game "harder" are streamers and individuals that have time to play every day, all day. They have no real issues leveling quickly and finding what they need because of how often they can raid and how experienced at the game they are. To those of us that are casuals, I will find another game if flea is removed and possibly if the stupid FIR hideout upgrade isn't changed. I love this game. For a while now it's the only game I play because I just don't play games as much as this game will and almost does require right now. I won't ever play a video game that much to make this kind of game play worth it. TBH, from what I see, the majority of your user base are casuals, stop crafting the game around a small percentage of your top tier players, you will hurt it in the long run and chase people away. I did enjoy the beginning of wipe with no flea. But after two to three weeks, it has to come back or those of us that cannot play as often will suffer and fall way behind. The longer you keep it closed, the worse wipe will be for us and the harder or impossible it will be to reach max traders and hideout max. That's another point in the wipe that is good. I can get anything a streamer/no-lifer chad can get and it's the second point in the wipe where we are close to even.

[@sumdood6784]

"Trader flipping bad!" The only thing that ever made that "bad" was global purchase limits for those trader items, which meant that people could buy up all the trader inventory, and then mark it up to the moon. With those global limits gone, there is nothing stopping people from buying the parts they can get, and listing them for a modest markup for the people who haven't unlocked the ability to purchase those items yet (particularly useful for task chains like "Gunsmith" and "Test Drive"). If you list stuff too high, people will undercut you, and your listing will expire without selling. The free market is beautiful.

[@BiasHyperion]

Anyone arguing against the free flea, on the grounds of “balance” doesn’t understand that an open flea is the biggest equalizer.

[@HowlinWolfPL]

great video and insides - as always, good to have flea market experimented on, i just wish - since i can't really convince myself to PvE - that at some stage we will get wipe/no-wipe options on PvP as i believe it was discussed, i know it will come with challenges like split to the community, servers etc. but for players with limited time to put into the game - like me, i believe it would be a great option

[@EatsProduction]

I would be ok with only being able to sell found in raid items on the flea if when u bought it, it would be found in raid as well. I’m somewhat of a new player and really don’t have time to grind for hours to try to find a led ex for medstation 3.

[@mhjaquavius]

Maybe introduce levels to the flea like trader level? I'd like to see it tied to Fence/Scav rep, because I feel like there isn't much incentive to use the scav

[@zakkeith1508]

Not having a found in raid tag for the flea literally promotes RMT. Aside from that, it's so easy to flip shit and artificially inflate the price of key items if you just happen to have the money in game to do so. There were three weeks on pve where I would literally buy up all of the ES lamps and inflate the price from $20k to 250k, and people still bought shit.

[@Jacobgate47]

I know how you feel. I spent 3 days playing almost 8 hours a day just to find 1 AESA for my hideout. I almost rage quit permanently.

[@GulaluSC]

I still feel like the best solution is to have the flea open but limit the amount of transactions per week or something like that. Maybe as the white progresses more and more transactions are allowed per individual. This would let you get whatever keys you need, but it's not like you could build a whole kit every raid

[@SHINYREDBULLETS]

The twitter response, "...distribution of..." might imply a suspicious result, ie 95% all from a single country, and were removed from the overall poll due to that "external" factor. Just seems like interesting wording tbh.

[@justintrukovich1805]

I had an interesting idea while watching this. What if the "found in raid" status was removed from the game and we went with a "bought" status. "Bought" status would be all items bought from vendors or the flea. "bought" items cant be listed on the flea or used for hideout upgrades.

[@durielstarr2789]

As a owner of the standard-edition I kinda like the ability to buy stuff from traders (mostly Scav Vests) and sell them on the flea. It helps me get the money to buy the barteritems for the beta-container easier. During the week I have not the time to play more than a short raid, but I can login and buy/sell some stuff in 15 min and do my raids on the weekend. But this is only my second wipe, and I don't know how a FiR-flea looks like. I also think that a not FiR-flea makes it easier for cheaters to sell stuff. [edit] Nonetheless I really liked the first weeks of the wipe with the flea turned off [/edit]

[@curtischiles2280]

Would just making a hardcore account option not be a good option? You make a hardcore character you can’t use the flea there in your hideout items need to be found in raid from a barter. So the people who don’t want to use the flea aren’t tempted and they can get rid of the FIR for hideout parts. And people who play hardcore characters get a different dog tag, or emblem or something cool to make it more enticing. It would make sense to me anyway. I do agree there needs t be easier ways to get keys in general though.

[@TransTarkov]

“that bunny’s censoring one bunny”