The Flood, Noah's Ark and Jehovah's Witnesses

[@superdave1921]

I wouldn’t mind getting a bunch of tee shirts printed up that says, “I Survived the Cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. I would wear it proudly!

[@donwestby3455]

Love. BBC. B B. A. A. C. C. C.

[@jwallaby7895]

I'd wear one proudly as I stand silently next to their public carts to protect others from being duped. Another good t-shirt line might be: "Good morning, I'm here to share with you the good news about how I survived the cult of Jehovahs witnesses."

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL those may actually exist!

[@liv328]

Me too! I have a hoodie I had made that says "There is no hate like Christian love."

[@natashapeeters988]

I would love a T-shirt like that... by carts...

[@schleprock000]

Always happy to see a new “surviving paradise” video in my feed.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you so much Schlep!

[@liv328]

I love your podcasts, Stacy, thank you for giving us great advice and helping us understand the truth about the "truth," even if you're under the weather!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you so much Liv, I'm so happy to hear that helps anyone!!

[@moonsong9472]

And of course, there was that image of the mother trying to protect her child on the rock as the water was rising. That image has never left me since childhood. It was so disturbing to me as a child.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

That one hit me too! How thoughtful that they included that.....unreal!!

[@Eric_01]

Isn't it wild how many of the Bible Story Book illustrations actually traumatized us?

[@miketorok490]

Kudos!!! The best comments I have ever heard on the Flood legend

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Mike!

[@lilith_iamtheberry]

OMG. this was great! I wish I had recorded the family arguments over Noah's Ark. My younger siblings asked my Dad some of these same questions and it turned into a huge fight, especially the questions about the POOP 🤣. My 25 year elder father fully believes that Jah shrunk all the animals down to mini size so they could all fit....🙄 as furiously as he belives - even HE knows this account is crap. Thank you again for sheding light on the foolishness that is being a jw. I do not miss the time when I thought it was real, and I'm looking forward to when I can be POMO instead of PIMO. ❤️‍🩹

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

WOW thanks Lilith!!! LOL, I must admit I'm roaring about your father's theory!!! It's unreal what people will do to make this seem like a historical event. But the Governing Body made him feel like he has to .....just crazy!

[@Eric_01]

I love this topic! There are so many great video discussions on this and it just makes minced meat out of the Dinosaur Land and Ark Encounter crowds. I must say, I've never considered the point that the dimensions were given WAY before any consideration for other followers/believers could have been known. What a great point! Ol' G never had any plan for a single additional human to be onboard. I could've gone a lot longer without the barf imagery. The truth hurts, I reckon. Well played. This was a great listen!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks for listening! There are so many ways to prove this is a fairy tale, that it can be overwhelming. But the fact that he had dimensions set before he actually went preaching (debatable detail as well) says it all!

[@randyg.7940]

Hello all!!! Iam going to enjoy this.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I hope you do Randy, thanks!

[@user-TheTruth]

You really want us to critically think this thru ! Just keep hoping in your faith and believe in fantasy land ! Another great video Stacy ...

[@user-TheTruth]

BTW , feel better Stacy !

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Truth! And it doesn't take much, a lot of these thoughts came from when I was a boy! Kids can see through this ridiculous application of a fairy tale

[@tonywalker5538]

Hi Stacey I enjoy your content please keep it coming it's a highlight for me and others I'm sure 👍👍....I have noticed 99% of online ex JW that quote Stephen Lett's last days ramble get it wrong so here it is so you can quote it properly when you next unpack the Org 👍 "Final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days "

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Tony! Much appreciated! Thanks for the quote, you're correct. I can barely stomach looking at that guy, so thanks for making it easier!

[@queentopia9225]

As a Jw kid, I had all of those questions around 6 years old- to which my mother gave the "a wizard did it" response. She told me that god's spirit controlled the animals and their behaviors as well as their body temperatures to survive in different climates and ecosystems and that they lived together on the ark in peace the way they would live in the 'new system'. 🙄

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL wow, now that is a new one!! I have heard that god cleaned up all the poop, provided miracle food and water... but I love this one!! 🤣😂

[@Eric_01]

It's amazing that this isn't addressed even a little bit in the biblical account. Even some mana would've gone a long way in "explaining" the feeding challenges. But, nope.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@Eric_01 so many kids affected!

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

Noah traveled across the lands, searching far and wide. He caught ‘em all. Noah was the original Pokémon trainer.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣🤣

[@SunShineU-dl9or]

I was taught that Jehovah got the animals to “migrate” to the ark…only young animals..(size counts) then Jehovah put the animals in a sleep state (like a bear) to slow down eating and waste! They think of everything! You have some good points…the size of the ark was pre-determined ! Nameless important people….gotta give that some thought!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, they've held to that forever......you can see it in the illustrations! Animals just showing up to get on board!!! LOL LOL.....thousands of miles from other continents to be detained on a boat for a year. And if it was true.................WHY???? Why did Jehovah's do this at all???? Just kill the bad people and save everyone a whole ton of problems! LOL

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@Jdub NoMo ....and all if it points to the Almighty and says "he ....big guy.....can you just handle this without involving us and all of creation???" LOL

[@hustonmices3976]

I feel shame and disgust that I would proudly look at that illustration of the flood and utter almost the same words as Tony Morris ‘the enemies of god will be destroyed’

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You weren't alone my friend...and he's still doing it :(

[@heatherwillson4862]

Lol!🤣😂🤣Love the horse poo thumbnail! There are SO many ridiculous points, its unending. As a person responsible for procuring many tons of hay for 42 horses on 15 acres for many years & managing the resultant tons of heavy wet waste, yeah, the Ark is an insane idea. For anyone familiar with pig poo, you cannot wash the smell off with soap. We used to have Conventions in Tucson right after the Circus. Even after heavy sanitizing the smell of elephant was overpowering. Next time you go to the Zoo, watch the elephants take & leak & unload a mountain of poo. Its staggering! In an inclosed ark box the smell & methane would have been eye watering, possibly to the point of passing out! Thanks for having the courage to call out gods lack of character. His lack & the orgs lack of character & decency allowed me to exit with not one tinge of guilt! How did we fall for it? Well, we were CHILDREN who loved animals. Thanks! Get well quick!👍🤣😂🤣

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I love that you have first hand knowledge taking care of large mammals!!!! Thank you for sharing......but imagine how SICK everyone would have been with constant exposure to poop, gasses, urine....and mixed together from thousands of animals!!!!! My god!!! And yes......the whole story exposes a 'god' that has some major issues.....none of this was necessary, ..... if it was true at all! 🤣

[@Bad80y1]

Yup. Everything you pointed out on this podcast makes absolute sense. The reason why many choose to believe in the Bible and seek out a new religion after leaving the JW Cult, is on the basis of Hope. There’s nothing wrong with having hope because after learning the truth about this cult, having to face your mortality is super hard to accept. Especially for those of us that believed well into the golden years of our lives. At 56 waking up over a year ago, I’m still finding it a challenge knowing I only have so many years left forgoing higher education, settling down with someone and having children. Robbed on the basis of fulfilling those things in the new system. The Noah story is a event I always couldn’t believe let alone the Adam and Eve Fable. As for belief in a God, I’m happy being a agnostic. Excellent podcast and many thanks.

[@markhaskins8179]

It's sad to read your comment, knowing you missed out and now feel as if it's too late. That CULT has destroyed the lives of so many people and the whole "wait for the next life" nonsense is defeatist. I left them behind and didn't look back, was told in the new system nobody will need pilots (I was one for many years) and they really wanted me to fail but I took the exams and a middle finger up to those evil eight control freaks, it felt so good, liberating. They are also responsible for removing so many people from believing the Bible due to their absolutely insane doctrines and high control, petty mindedness and constant making you feel as if what you give (time and money) is never enough. I do believe in a next life and the Bible but that does not stop me having a great time now, I make the most of it and I'm only a few years younger than you. Go for it, whatever you want just think positively and what you want might become a reality.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

HUGE subject and I couldn't agree more. Our generation, I'm in my 50's as well, has really suffered with reality we were lied to about old age....it's a massive lie that no one holds them accountable for....

[@Bad80y1]

@@survivingparadisepodcast - yes. Seems lying is the norm these days isn’t it. We see it so much in various religions/cults and it’s a pillar in politics ever more so these days. Reality is out - delusion is in.

[@lizzidpeepole]

Polar bears are one of the fun perspectives to view the flood through. Dolphins are the assholes of the animal kingdom we probably could have punished them a lil. Taken literally this story is mind boggling.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I always love the thought of penguins strutting from Antarctica to get on a boat for a year. No predators along the way, lots of food and water......just two little guys showed up and climbed on board. LOL

[@rdhawk929]

I sincerely believed in the Ark until maybe the last 15 years? 🤣🤣 You gave me more reasons to dismiss that "historical" event so thank you! The poop theory got me! Also, I used to think that maybe he just had a bunch of test tubes and not real animals. But that doesn't add up either. Imagine just collecting the samples! 🤣🤣 And lastly, feel better soon please!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

thank you rdhawk!! Very sweet of you! Yep.....I had an overactive imagination, but I'm glad these questions resonated with you!

[@crzamable]

Super interesting! My congratulations.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Amable!

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

Dude! I remember being 9 years old and thinking, “how could Jehovah REGRET anything if he’s all knowing and all powerful?”

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Right????? It makes ZERO sense for the almighty, creator of all things......regret???

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

@@survivingparadisepodcast also I remember finding out about the epic of Gilgamesh when I was in highschool. Talk about some cognitive dissonance

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@Ithaca-vv5dy I did too.....crazy what we let slip by!

[@lizzidpeepole]

When did meat go back on any menu? Food, shit and trash are important questions that help develop critical thinking. One had to bury these questions as a child. Good to hear I wasn't alone and get a chance to sweep out the silly.

[@TheC.O.-VISIT]

The question I raised was: After the flood, when Noah and his family exited the ark, God repeats his command, go, be fruitful, and fill the earth. That's it. Nothing else. So how the hell did Jehovah expect to get different results this time??? As they multiplied and spread out AGAIN, inevitably you'll start to have more evil men, they'll get together into cities, etc, and before you know it mankind is right back to where he started! What does the saying say, if you keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results, is the definition of....insanity?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣🤣 love this point! Where did food come from??

[@symone3113]

Thank you for this video, you.. broke it down so eloquently, made a lot of sense.., as you are aware when you’re in the cult you over look common sense and critical thinking.. I didn’t grow up as a JW but the Noah’s Ark story made me question a few things but after a while you just ignore your thoughts. I love Elephants and I couldn’t imagine elephants being cramped in the Ark, without the herd, and without any social interaction, I guess having the one other Elephant could’ve been enough, lol!!!LORD the mammals, how did he keep the predators away? SMH!! This video made my morning, thank you New sub…

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you so much Symone!! I appreciate you listening and I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm a big fan of elephants too; they're highly intelligent....imagine those poor creatures on a boat being tossed around at sea. They're highly social......down to two in a boat? They would very likely die very early on. It's actually sick story, even though we know it's a fairy tale

[@moonsong9472]

Just love your channel Stacey! Informative, new perspectives and humorous at the same time. I'll bet you would have been a fantastic Elder in your time too. So glad you made it out though, and can use your experiences to support your listeners. As a child, I could never work out how Noah could find and collect all the spiders! Stuff of childood nightmares back in the day!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you!!

[@Godly-Beard]

The infamous "8 guys in upstate New York" 😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

they're very important...just ask them 🥴

[@andidp4535]

After listening and reading many of the disturbing beliefs of JW's, now I am out and can fully see their dangerous teachings, this is funny and one I always wondered about when I was a JW. I'm so glad I never really believed anything they said when in the organisation as it shielded me from the pain that sadly some have suffered from due to strong indoctrination. Great channel.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Andi!! I'm glad you got out with less scars than so many do....hindsight creates it's own harsh feelings, such as "how did I fall for that??"

[@nataliegrandauthorofcultgi1231]

Hit the likes! 👍🏾👍🏻

[@smy74]

Thank you for clarifying all the surrounding details of Noah and the ark. I wonder if the same ark doubled as a kh...😂🤣 seasick. What I have learned also from Revelation 18:4 "Get out of her" means to get out of all religions. Jesus never referenced a religion. Jesus did say though: "God is a spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24 New Living Translation Not in a building or in a manmade religion not even in an ark. 😂 Makes so much more sense to me. I hope you feel better soon.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Well said Susan! Jesus never referenced a religion or organization as JW's claim. It's in plain print. You're so right!!

[@elvenrights2428]

I am wondering what is the reason that flood story appears in so many different cultures (apart of christianity, judaism and islam).

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

If you're interested in the history, some great write ups on the 'flood' story in many cultures and religions, but not difficult to trace!

[@lovelifesmile]

Needed that good laugh. I always thought that story was beyond real and rediculous

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Still makes me laugh too!

[@Joeandfran]

The channel Archaix, by Jason Breshears provides the most in depth comprehensive chronological and historic details on this, bar none.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks for the reference, I'll check it out!

[@Mr.Magic_O]

Just a small clarification: You kept referring to Noah having to preach to 7 Billion people all over the world. In fact, the world’s population did not reach that level until very recently. Back in Noah’s day, the world population was somewhere between 6 million at the low end to around 30 million at the high end of estimates.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks wefraenig! The 7 billion figure was an estimate from scientists who made some big assumptions regarding that time period. Just ONE study and I should have made that more clear. But to your point, even 6-30 million is a lot of people....and only one Noah!

[@phil6740]

Thanks for the podcast while under the weather! Exposing the cruelty of the watchtower- the shunning, csa. Blood policy, best never good enough, discouraging education. These podcasts mean a lot . Certainly the watchtower weaponizes the flood story . I disagree somewhat with the critique of the flood with 3 major faiths- Judaism, Islam, Christianity including it in their canons . Also the flood story appearing in so many different cultures.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Phil! I agree that the flood story is present in many religions and cultures and I'm not personally against the idea that some small flood happened in ancient history that got built into a full blown fairy tale. Often ancient cultures took a regional event and with limited knowledge of the planet, called it 'global' and built lots of details around what effected them personally.

[@TBlack-dz5bo]

How does the GB or elder or MS, or any believing JW reconcile the promise god made to not destroy us again? I remember in Sunday school there was a giant mural with a rainbow and the phrase, “ God keeps his promises” written boldly underneath. I remember feeling some comfort that at least he’s not going to kill everyone like in Noah’s time. How do they answer this? I genuinely want to know! Maybe they could say he’s not going to drown everyone again, it’s fireballs for us!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

They can't. But most modern day JW's don't study or even read the Bible, so they would look at you with a blank stare. Most believe he meant he wouldn't kill everyone with water again.....but if you read the verses, it doesn't say that, that is JW 'urban myth' stuff.....but you'll note none of their art of people getting killed at Armageddon features water. Coincidence? Nope.

[@Eric_01]

@@johnc.8158 I assume you're being funny? Trying?

[@Eric_01]

@@survivingparadisepodcast So, regarding Genesis 9:15, "and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh." I'm guilty in the past of thinking this only promised not to flood us as a means of murder, but I could easily see how the reference to water was merely contextual because that was what had just been utilized. It could easily mean that he wouldn't destroy humanity again, period, but only refers to water because that was the soup du jour, as it were. Honestly, who would care if it was flood or not if the threat of being wiped out would simply occur by another means? That doesn't even make sense to be impressed with such a back-handed promise. Never considered it before.

[@Eric_01]

@@johnc.8158 Well, there's no artwork, you're correct. But, it is also not literal and should not be considered as such. Far too many of the grandiose stories cannot be substantiated by any secular history, for example, the fleeing of the Israelites. Regardless of the sheer volume of topics, are you suggesting that despite the logic given regarding the flood, that you believe it actually took place as described?

[@Eric_01]

@@johnc.8158 But, do you believe the details as written in the bible?

[@nubbytope3513]

Hi there! I really enjoy your podcasts and this is one of your best! Have you heard of the Book of Jashur? It was mentioned 3 times in the Bible (twice in OT and once in NT) and apparently the kings of Israel had to read it. I have a copy of it and it fills in the gaps left in Genesis. Noah's wife's name was Naamah, and Lot's wife was called Ado. I always felt sorry for Mrs. Noah not being mentioned much as she's a good role model for women. Great p/cast - please keep them up!

[@NicoleWinters446]

I was brought up in 'the truth' in the 70s. My mum was a single parent. When I used to read the My Book of Bible Stories, I often wondered how it was perfectly timed for the animals to be gathered in pairs without any offspring. Animals act on instinct, yet a pride of lions typically consists of 3 males, 12 females and their cubs. So, did these animals abstain from procreating before they were gathered into the Ark???

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Another fantastic set of questions!! As a lion lover, I can't appreciate this enough!

[@johnpociecha1177]

we need a bigger boat

[@xjwfurious]

😄😄😄

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

with better ventilation! LOL

[@lizzidpeepole]

A wild ride through Stacey's brain!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣🤣🤣

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@Jdub NoMo 🤣🤣 thanks man, it's a twisted place LOL

[@AlexFlores-je2uj]

In Spanish, sobre vivi al culto de los testigos de Jehová, no doubt about it mi too I survive the cult of the Jehovah's witnesses, yes indeed .

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

So glad you're out Alex!!!

[@Rwdogg21]

You know they gonna say God used that Aquaman telepathy and summoned them to the ark

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I'm picturing that seen with Jim Carey where he summons the animals LOL

[@PhiloLogos777]

I love ya my guy but this isn’t one of your strongest episodes if I may be so bold. For a lot of your earlier arguments/questions the JWs have what is in their minds simple answers: There were no carnivores before the flood so they could all eat straw. Either all antediluvian animals were in subjection to humans as they were to Adam and Eve or if Jehovah simply brought them forth to Noah by his Holy Spirit so Noah didn’t have to go marching anywhere. Jehovah makes sure they all survive, perhaps even not defecate or not have to eat, etc. it just takes some hand wavy god magic. But overall still a great episode and really love this podcast! Thanks for your work

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Josh, all feedback welcome! LOL....they do have an answer for everything, if I only I could cover them all. On the population, take a peek: some scholars are now estimating the population at the flood to be between 4-17 billion, with some landing the 7 billion figure I mentioned, with one religious scholar doing some fancy math and landing on 10 TRILLION people alive at the flood!😳 Needless to say, whether it's me or anyone else...none of us were there and we are all probably pulling any number out of our.......ahem..... LOL. Thanks for listening!

[@tonywalker5538]

Hey Stacey...he probably left the Mammoths out of the Ark because of the amount of S*"t they would of produced 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣..thanks for the great content yet again 👍

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣😂🤣 truth!!! They probably drew straws and said 'everybody look the other way' LOL

[@gisella1350]

Thank you Stacy. I think your bottom right hand image says it all. Horse S* * T. Also concerned about the two kangaroos, that big one looks a little suspect over the little one. BUT then they had Noah as an example, no hanky panky here. Perhaps, Noah laid his hands on the animals and they all zoned out until it was all over. Seriously though, thank you for making this information so clear and sensible. Priceless. I enjoy your podcasts.

[@markhaskins8179]

@@johnc.8158 You don't know that for certain, they could have easily been transported by humans to Australia later on, their meat is popular in Oz, and before that they could have easily lived in various countries in a pre-flood world which would be nothing like what we see today. Perhaps they were hunted to extinction outside of Oz (but were safer in that larger and more isolated land mass) due to their meat being so popular, many other animals have been documented in a similar fate so why not kangaroos? There is way more to this than we know, after all none of us were there.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@johnc.8158 Hey John, uh..... the entire 'story' is one gigantic assumption. But if you can prove it to all of us, I'm sure we would all be very, very interested. Maybe just take one...Gen. 8:21 is an intriguing place to start....🤔

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Gisella! It's a giant pile of %$^% LOL. Noah was one magical guy.....for so many reasons! 😉

[@Vbreychak7212]

To me, Noah's Ark is confirmation that God makes mistakes BUT then how is he perfect and all-knowing? He invented a Earth and it's inhabitants but had to go back to the drawing board..only to still get it all wrong because people still suck today.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yes! I feel the same. How does an all knowing, perfect creator 'feel regret' for his creation?? It's a very valid point!

[@natashapeeters988]

How do you keep the bats to eat the insects ? The fish 🐟 from fresh waters into salt 🧂 waters 💧??

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

There you go asking logical questions again! LOL! GOOD QUESTION!......I'm guessing it's 'wait on Jehovah' time?

[@natashapeeters988]

Lol... I never had return visits either 😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣

[@De_Villan]

Noah was like pspspsps with the big cats. 😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

"here kitty kitty"......"come to Noah".......🤣

[@c.t8958]

What about the Universal Sovereignty! God wasn't suppose to interfere in human affairs. Isn't the flood an interference?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

;) see our episode on Universal Sovereignty.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@johnc.8158 LOL, hey John....if God was going to interfere, what was the point of doing it at all?????? We'll wait......

[@kristineolsen477]

This was fantastic! Thank you very much for your depecition of this fairy tale. I can't even find the validity of this "event" as a fairy tale. What is the lesson? New subscriber. I Love you work. Your new friend Kristine And a friend as in a friend. Not a "JW friend" 😅

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Hi Kristine! Thank you for being here, I truly appreciate you!! :)

[@b1crusade384]

@20:04 For Noah knocking up Ms Noah, one theory is that whoever wrote Genesis account stole it from another group and had a poor translation that was off by factors when it comes to ages. So like the ages are divided by 9 or so number. When that was done, the ages made more sense. I could not find the video but it did make sense when I watched it.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

that would be interesting to listen to!

[@Rwdogg21]

The animals were closer to perfection🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, now THAT is funny!!! How many times have we heard that??? So was Noah....might explain his perfect procreation control lol

[@Rwdogg21]

@@survivingparadisepodcast that's the stuff that always had me scratching my head, how so these dudes ain't have kids till late in age, like what was ya doing to not be getting it in

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@Rwdogg21 They apparently had superpowers or weren't interested in sex...??

[@PhiloLogos777]

Also where is the 7 billion figure coming from? No historian in thr world believes there were ever close to 1 billion people globally until the modern period

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Several sources, I responded on your other post too. Some even estimate it at 10 TRILLION (The Bible Science Guy).....some numbers come from we novices, other's from scholars....but some scholars are now guessing at 4-17 billion....in my opinion, it's all absurd :)

[@coldboltlighting1237]

My mother has told me once a long time ago that Jehovah just made the animals come to the ark, so as a kid I thought so god just teleported them? And Noah didn’t do the work of finding which made sense at first then fell apart when now I apply science to it. Like the animals what they need to eat all of it just shattered my faith in to a million peace’s also thank you for this podcast

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Right? All dependent on their natural habitat, including water. So, he had to haul the animal AND it's food and water...and store it somewhere....for upwards of 75 years????? And......it's a fairy tale LOL

[@petermadsen2498]

Mmm...just wondering how he got the snakes on board the boat. Did one of them try to talk to Noah and get him to doubt what he was doing?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL....so many questions

[@ingramwright5399]

The Noah story never made sense on any level to me, but that was just another thing I put on that shelf. I remember asking questions about the paradise that didn't make sense, I was told not to jump ahead of the cart. 🤷‍♀️ That shelf became so full, it was more like an auditorium full of shit I didn't know what to do with.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You weren't alone Ingram! It's one of those stories that stands out as a fairy tale. The original writers would probably laugh to hear that it's taken as actual history!

[@DM-he1ug]

I've read the estimates/calculations for the 7 billion population figure. Seems such a massive total in just 1600 years from 'Adam & Eve'. But even if it was only in the millions, it's still a massive population for one man to preach to...

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Agree. Seems like a massive figure too close to today, but you're point is spot on.......it could have been 7,000....still a massive undertaking while building an ark and traveling the earth gathering animals. I can't stop laughing.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@johnc.8158 You're right John. In fact........it's highly likely he never existed

[@mreyesonthelies4386]

I think Noah would have the biggest problem with the 2 hippos!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, he would have a few challenges!

[@davidreda1211]

Great points Stacy! I always appreciate your podcasts. The point that I never thought of was the predetermined size of the ark! Thank you for that one! One thing that got me thinking are the Indigenous species only to the America's, such as the armadillo, sloth, lynx or bobcat, & my fav the rattlesnake. None of these can be found anywhere else on the planet. Plus, if they were on the ark, how did they make it aaallllll of the way to the America's? Keep up the great work, & looking forward to your next podcast.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks David! Love your thought on species found only on other continents! So much to unpack with this 'story' LOL

[@SunShineU-dl9or]

The gb doesn’t claim to have any special revelations, or have more spirit or knowledge than anyone else in the organization…their words…my question is: if thats the case…how does Jehovah direct them then? How can the gb say they speak for Jehovah and is blessed by Jehovah? How is this possible?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

They will walk you in circles on this subject. I allude to it in a past episode on elder appointments. They claim the Bible is captured 'holy spirit' so by reading and obeying it, they have holy spirit. LOL, yes it's laughable!

[@debraallen2132]

Great job, Stacy. It must have been difficult for you to preach while realizing those Bible stories were just stories. My son and I were laughing along with you . I’m wondering how I never caught on . Oh well . Now I know.

[@robvanes693]

Olive branches are not green after being under brackish water for a year. What happened to freshwater and saltwater animals? What did Noah, family and omnivotes eat after the flood? Everything is dead by salt water. It takes years before something edible grows again. How much drinking water did they have to take with them and keep it good for a year? Where did all that water go after the flood?

[@deborahtaylor3478]

Then why did the father promise the he will never flood the hole would. The jw's are crazy 🤪.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

He promises to never do mass destruction again....and yet, the entire religions is waiting for another round of mass destruction LOL

[@ragingbrawler1481]

There was not 7 billion people on the earth at Noah’s time. It is estimated to be around 240 million.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

There are some interesting theories on this....I've seen many different estimates, thanks for sharing yours!

[@ragingbrawler1481]

Thanks so much for all of your videos! My mother is a JW for over 40 years. I appreciate all of your hard work.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@ragingbrawler1481 Thank you Raging!!! Love her all you can!

[@joannaalabaster5916]

The elders told me that there were no carnivores in the ark, that only after the Flood some animals (like people after the Flood) began to eat meat.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Of course they did LOL. They were probably men my age that were told that as boys......part of JW urban legends. I actually remember hearing that myself Joanna!

[@petermadsen2498]

Wondering how dolphins etc got on as salinity would have disappeared with all that rain.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Soooo many questions!

[@cmotherofpirl]

Glad that Christians are not required to take origin stories literally.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Unfortunately, some Christian religions do require their people to take these stories literal. Jehovah's Witnesses is one of them.

[@cmotherofpirl]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I know. Mormons and JWs haunt science pages with their 6-7000 year old earth crap. That’s why I initially started studying them, because they were driving me crazy. Scripture is an anthology covering 1000+ years with different authors, context, and content, not a book for children to pull out one line at a time.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@cmotherofpirl They sure do. I had many arguments about this when I was a JW. Defies science, logic and everything else!

[@natashapeeters988]

The mammoth 🦣, the dinosaurs became meals on the arc.... and the 🦤 Dodos...

[@lh1673]

Wow good point what if those people repented. Also what if it was in the last minute they repented the boat already made, is Noah going to say “Ah the size of the ark is not enough for you all to fit in!?” God want animals first!”

[@lh1673]

@@johnc.8158 please read my other comments hope it’s interesting to you. God gave us free thoughts, right!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Interesting that the dimensions were predetermined right? Like, how did they know how many would accept the message, meaning the ark needed to be bigger?! LOL.....it's almost like its a made up story or something!

[@lh1673]

Yes it’s really a good point you’ve pointed out of dimensions, never thought of it when indoctrinated. Will think it’s planned only for animals to be saved. What a stupid story it really is! And in first place why needed to let those 8 waste time building an ark, when a God who has a magic finger can just stop the hearts of anyone who he wants to judge! Or He himself should’ve just shouted from above to those people on earth to repent! It would have just taken a second or minute for those people to acknowledge a God! Maybe in your next idea, a Tower of Babel story might be fun to discuss. To me I noticed that a God KNOWING human will never make it that tower to heaven but God is WORRY and will do something with their tongue!? Also I wonder why God is not angry with space shuttle and bases settled in his territory!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lh1673 Thanks L H...it's a dead giveaway as to how ridiculous the story is....Tower of Babel ....we could have some fun with that one!

[@morganrickards3811]

You are the exJW Rod Serling 😂

[@Dogpool]

Near the end you mentioned about the estimated earth population. I don’t think that estimate from science and a Bible based reality are compatible. Because I would assume the estimate is derived from calculation of the current population and historical events to be used to find how many humans would be required to get to now during the flood time. The Bible history would state just Noah’s family produced the entire population of today. So you would throw out a calculation like one science would come up with by just doing time in reverse kinda thing. Unless there is some other way they came up with the population estimate

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's a great conversation and yes, openly debated based on estimates, etc. No one can really truly know, but the number is sited in many scholars writings as they try to figure out how many people were on earth

[@newstart4981]

32:05 Hmmm, can't say I follow this one. But an interesting perspective nonetheless.

[@johnjones6112]

I always thought Noah's wife was Joan of Ark (?). I disagree on one point, when people believe patent anti scientific nonsense it is not something to be 'respected'. So Noah is married 500 years and no children - then all of a suddenly she pops out one black baby, one white baby and one Asian baby .... yeah I think Noah should possibly have had a little heart to heart chat at this point. Watchtower say 'well...the mountains were lower back then' but we know one mountain existed i.e Mt Ararat (which BTW is a volcanic mountain, 3 miles high, located a few miles from a tectonic plate edge, in one of the most unstable places on earth). The minimum volume of water to get to the top of this mountain on a totally smooth earth is 2.6 x 10^18 cu mtrs (yeah I calculated it) and that ignores the equatorial bulge - the water would have to fall at 0.8 million billion tonnes per second (40 days). This additional mass (or change of mass centre) & increase of the earth diameter would effect even the rotation and orbital speed of earth (conservation of momentum), and accelerating the water to rotational speed needs 5.3 x 10^26 Joules. The total amount of water on earth today would only get halfway up Ararat on a totally smooth earth, and that too ignores equatorial bulge. These are the absolute minimums - the reality would be far far worse. There is simply not enough water by any accounting, by a long margin. The pressure at the bottom of 3.2 miles of water is 505 bar and total darkness - with earth peripheral speed of 1,000 m.p.h creating immense turbulence, ripping up the abundant vegetation and forests and animal life of a tropical earth, mixed in with vast magma flows and volcanic activity associated with the buckling and crumpling of the earth's crust - creating an intensely toxic water mix (killing all life) and contaminating the air, even if the air remained breathable (no chance) then the rotting vegetation would release methane and run away climate change would ensue. The water 'canopy' - if the atmosphere were totally saturated all the way to space (Karmen line) it would contain 0.04% of the required water. If a 'canopy' of some sort were held in place by gravity, then the atmospheric pressure pre-flood would be 505 bar and the animals and humans would look TOTALLY different to survive and would die instantly on such a pressure change. Then you land 3 miles up - freezing temperature, altitude sickness, strewn with rotting vegetation and a dead and devastated earth. So you throw out two snails 3 miles up - and they head down the mountain and within a few years they get across the entire planet (somehow) and evolve in to the 60+ species (you could NEVER call these two snails 'sluggish' for sure) - the same is true of many animals - and yet about 100 years later you have Nimrod a 'mighty hunter', so what the hell was he hunting ? The animal population would be MINUTE and so 'inbred' that survival after the first couple of generations would be impossible. Just 400 years later Moses is wandering around Egypt with a vast and thriving natural world. Yeah right. The tower of Bable was maybe about 180 years later and at a stupendous rate of population increase and no deaths there would still be less than 30,000 adult men to do the building, and with an estimated 30,000 languages that means every 1.2 adults would speak a different language after Bable was 'disbanded' by God.............................................................. That's enough...... sorry, please forgive my rant.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Incredible breakdown and 'share' John! All true. Great read and several things I could have included. Thank you!!

[@joshuawayneyork]

The literal account of Noah's ark being possible is absurd beyond measure! You just present Mr. or Mrs. pro ark with fact after fact until you force them to argue that god "I dream of Jeannie'd" that shit.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, the biggest shock of all is that thinking humans believe this is an actual, true story. It's the gift that keeps on giving

[@josiasguiomar2504]

The lack of sex gave Noah enough stamina to complete the job. Oh boy, he was eager to do it!

[@gregorydensford7185]

It takes a ton of suspension of disbelief to believe this story is true.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

So true Gregory. Just sad that someone didn't see the true power of this 'story', but instead tried to turn it into a literal adventure

[@FrankMerton]

It is astonishing, in fact can only represent an irresponsible and incredible blindness, given all the evidence, plus the theological absurdity, that anyone takes the flood story as anything other than allegory, and that's being generous.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Absolutely tragic.....and worth many laughs. Between the Flood and the Garden of Eden..... just insane

[@lh1673]

Near to perfection man but only had 3 sons, where are the daughters!? No daughters! Come on! Oh I guess he was shunning his daughters huh!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's almost like the writers of the Bible treated women as less important...from Eve forward 🤣

[@xjwfurious]

Just finished watching. Will there be a second part? How did all the animals get to America, Australia and Britain (for example) once they disembarked the creaking shit-strewn ark? Did they all make little boats for themselves? Did Noah and his family make thousands of boats for them? If they did somehow manage that, what about food for the journey and stuff? So many more questions... So much more comedy to be mined out of this crock of shit.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, I hadn't considered it, but there is enough nonsense with this one to make a Part II!!

[@markhaskins8179]

Easy, there are plenty of animal species around the planet that have been introduced by humans, pest control (Little Owl from Italy now thrives in the UK), food (kangaroo meat is popular in Oz), and much more, penguins can swim (and have been GPS tagged and tracked) up to 5000 miles so not too difficult for them to make it far south; there are plenty of success stories and examples of how animals can be relocated to a new geographic area and do well in that country. This is only one way they could travel great distances.

[@thomasturner7262]

Mostly on board with ya, Stacey! But, I'm surprised you mention the 8-Days of creation being literal. JWs have been Old-Earth Creationists forever. Even Russell's "Photo-Drama of Creation" tells us that. But yeah, I've given way too much thought to Noah's flood. This was one of the things that turned me away from JW when I started waking up.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

That's a great subject for an entire show Thomas ;) ......its coming

[@MW-rn1vg]

Perfect story for the "My Book of BS" 😂 it always bothered me that Jehovah had to kill the innocent animals and children. What a monster 👿

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

A story in the Bible that condemns the god of the bible. Drowning babies and puppies. Incredible that this is held up as an 'inspiring story'

[@ScarletEyeMoon]

Thanks for you're video, I'm a gen X'er XJDub too. I know what you're saying and believe me I'm with you as I am an atheist and don't believe the bible was written by God or believe there is a God for that matter. I see your point however JDubbs can do major gymnastics to make you think it was true like: Noah didn't need to find the animals, God directed the animals all over the earth to follow him to the ark years before it was even finished. The animals didn't need to poop, God took care of it. Noah didn't need to feed them, it was all in gods hands. The animals didn't attack each other because God made them feel at peace, and so on and so on. It seems like they can reason away anything you throw at them. That is why I have given up trying to wake up my family, I have come to except that they will always be in and that way they feel at ease with me too but also they don't try to preach with me. It's incredibly frustrating but it seems to work?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, right?? Yes, everything conveniently just 'works' which only makes you question why God had to do it at all!

[@ScarletEyeMoon]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I know right, it would have been allot easier to just have an angel come down one night and just kill everyone, oh wait a minute that would be too unclean, we wouldn't want the angel getting his hands dirty, LOL!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@ScarletEyeMoon LOL LOL....not to mention, Jehovah had said angel do that to the Assyrians: One angel kills 185,000 Assyrian soldiers....how many angels are there again? The same angels that need blood on door tops so they didn't kill babies in Egypt? Or did Jehovah just not want angels around women.... they can't resist them! LOL

[@lh1673]

The Noah story theme on children’s book could’ve been FREEWILL. The first 8 human who shown the best FREEWILL to obey God’s command, SAVED, God SATISFIED they shown perfect freewill. Angels acknowledged his sovereignty SOLVED, in the last part of story God ACCEPTED the special lamb sacrifice by Noah BUT decided to see another evil era from these 8 descendants. REGRETTED made human but starts over to see them do evil again. Satan still free to rove around, next target Job’s freewill issue. Why didn’t I noticed this perfect NONSENSE, believed this story for years!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I absolutely love this thought......I couldn't agree more; needs an entire episode

[@lh1673]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Hi, thank you for reply. Yes, this God is actually not satisfied in any faith and freewill. Even his son sacrificed and said I accomplished, returned to heaven but evil never ended. I wonder what is not enough of this God if exists, watching evil continue! Also by listening to your thoughts of this story trigger me to reread the Genesis, and found out that first SLAVERY SYSTEM started from Noah! Genesis 9:25 was eye opening. Even God allows it. What a mess OT actually is.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lh1673 Yes and Yes!!! Slavery is an upcoming topic....and it sorta applies to JW's today as well!

[@deborahtaylor3478]

Were's there Ark why ant they building one now if gods going to flood the hole earth lol

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Great point Deborah. Or a fleet of planes.....or a resort compound in upstate NY....oh....wait....

[@deepfriedbrains__437]

2 of each kind, or 7 of each kind? (Noah hangs up the spiritual phone with the static overwhelming a clear answer.) Well boys, we get what we get. Future generations won't know what animals we didnt save; they'll all die during the flood anyway. Maybe grab a baby t-rex for safe keeping? Seems like they could be useful later in the game. Regrettably, that baby t-rex was the sacrifice offered when the ark landed. We got a rainbow, but I wanna see a t-rex. Not a good trade Jehovah. Off-season grade: D-

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL nailed it!!!! Never gets old!

[@EvelynnLandrum]

How did the lions, tigers, and bears, etc. not bite or kill Mr. Noah and his crew in that ark? 🤔

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

A very logical question.....carnivores that suddenly didn't need to eat meat..... ;)

[@EvelynnLandrum]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Old tales of the Bible in a fourth grade creative writing style.

[@lh1673]

My indoctrinated family will say MIRACLE, but come on God is God, why need such a complicated MIRACLE to let old man build an ark and put 2 or 7 pair of animal. Why couldn’t just stop the hearts of the ones he choose as evil. Children and other animals could have lived.

[@kathyowens890]

Maybe Jehovah did bring the animals to the ark and maybe he put them all into a coma for the year?

[@petermadsen2498]

Obviously no whales or dolphins on there surely....mmmm...please explain jesus and GB

[@marylaster9255]

Where does genius say Noah preached to the people at that time. It doesnt.

[@marylaster9255]

Matthew 24 39

[@johnrideout7124]

For Mary Laster. 2 Peter 2v5 tells us that Noah was a preacher of righteousness, in-somuch that when he and his sons were building this enormous ark, (437 ft long and 72 ft wide) they would have been questioned and ridiculed by the violent, lawless population at the time. Noah, having been told of the coming deluge, (Gen 6v17), would have warned them continually, but as it had never rained before, as Gen. 2v5-6, tells us, nobody would have believed him. Any that did, would have been welcome to join them. But there were none, all but the 8 perished. Just as today, very few take notice of Jehovah's Witnesses!

[@marylaster9255]

@@johnrideout7124 I know it says he was a preacher of righteousness, but it doesn't say he preached about the flood. And if you check all other Bible translations besides the new world translation they say that the people didn't know about the flood. And if you research the new world translation it is in the top 5 of the worst translations. There have been many changes each time it is revised. I don't believe in the flood account anymore. It makes no logical sense.

[@Goonapachamoothoo]

The flood give reasons to jehovah whitnesses to disfellowshìp siners.

[@xjwfurious]

Yep. You. Me. Harrison. Bowling. 😁🎳🎳🎳 Actually, I prefer pool. Let's play pool... 🎱🎱🎱 Before we get drowned in a pool of fire! 🔥🔥🔥

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I'm up for it!!

[@kathyowens890]

Maybe Jehovah did bring the animals to the ark and maybe he put them all into a coma for the year?