The Flying Dutchman - Mythillogical

On our second ever solo episode, Charles takes a deep dive into the briny seas of the 18th century, to track the origins of the phantom ship of legend. Over the course of a hundred years of voyaging we'll watch the slow development of the Dutchman from merely an unfortunate vessel doomed by storms and plague, to an ill omen for all who encounter her.
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Suonatore di Liuto Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Sources for this episode include:
'Manifestations of the Flying Dutchman' - Agnes Andeweg of Maastricht University
www.academia.edu/16074953/Man...
'In Search of the Dutch Lore of the Land: Old and New Legends throughout the Netherlands’ by Theo Meder
pure.knaw.nl/ws/portalfiles/p...
‘Don’t Shoot the Albatross’ by Jonathan Eyers
archive.org/details/dontshoot...
'A voyage to Botany Bay' attributed to George Barrington
archive.org/details/bim_eight...
'Travels in various parts of Europe, Asia and Africa, during a series of thirty years and upwards' by John MacDonald
archive.org/details/bim_eight...
'Scenes of Infancy' by John Leyden
archive.org/details/scenesinf...
‘Written on Passing Dead-Man’s Island’ by Thomas Moore
www.litscape.com/author/Thoma...
'Rokeby' by Walter Scott
www.google.co.uk/books/editio...
'Vanderdecken’s Message Home' in Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine (author likely John Howison)
paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/new...
'The Storm Ship' and 'The Adventure of the Black Fisherman' by Washington Irving
www.hrmm.org/history-blog/the...
irving.thefreelibrary.com/Adv...
'Aus den Memoiren des Herrn von Schnabelewopski' by Heinreich Heine
en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Wo...
‘The Wild Hunter, The Wandering Jew and the Flying Dutchman’ by J. Drew Stephen
www.erudit.org/en/journals/is...
‘The Flying Dutchman, the Wandering Jew, and Wagner's Anti-Semitism’ by Stephen McClatchie
muse.jhu.edu/article/490565/pdf
‘The Legend of the Wandering Jew’ by George K. Anderson
archive.org/details/legendofw...
‘The Phantom Ship’ by Frederick Marryat
archive.org/details/Captain_M...
'History of the British Colonies, vol. 4' by Martin R. Montgomery
archive.org/details/in.ernet....
‘The Cruise of Her Majesty's Ship "Bacchante" 1879-1882.’ by John N. Dalton
archive.org/details/cruiseher...
'Round About Rambles in Lands of Fancy and Fact' by Frank R. Stockton
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[@TheHistocrat]

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[@RangerGucci]

You're telling me a Dutch man flew this boat?

[@MrSomethingElse]

A flying one is quite rare..... The dutch are notoriously land lubbers.....

[@savinkeoua1902]

Gekoloniseerd !!!!

[@EddieMac88]

You're telling me a boat man flre this Dutch?

[@foggyday9432]

No, THE Dutch man flew this boat

[@RangerGucci]

@@foggyday9432 John P Dutch

[@AshLover__]

finally, a video covering Spongebob lore

[@gabbyn978]

There is another german adaptation of the story, besides the famous opera composed by Richard Wagner. I assume you have never heard of it, as I cannot find an english counterpart of this story in the Wikipedia. A german tale collector named Wilhelm Hauff took the story of the Flying Durchman and inserted it into his romantic novel 'Die Karawane' (the caravan) as 'Die Geschichjte vom Geisterschiff (the story of the ghost ship), turning it into an oriental (as the Europeans imagined it) tale. The premise is that the members of a travelling company are taking turns in telling stories, and one of them reports that he once was on a ship that encountered the 'ghost ship' in a horrible storm, which made his own sink. He and a companion get saved by the same ghost ship as it returns and passes by so close that they can get hold of it and climb aboard. The sight they encounter is ghastly, all the crew has slain each other, and the captain is leaned against the tallest mast and fastened to it with a large nail driven through his forehead. The two survivors try to move the dead men around, but are unable to do so, as if the latter were statues or frozen in time. When the evening comes, they are set asleep, and barely note the commotion around them. The companion is worried about the events, and so they decide to remain awake and fight the need of sleep by reciting religious verses. It turns out, the crew re-enacts the last hours of their lives every night, with a mutiny breaking out, and everyone getting killed in its course. Also, the ship is bound to return to its location where the events had happened, using its sails for the voyage. The two survivors want to reach land, so they set sail on daytime, and bind verses to the sails to keep them closed over night. This works, they reach India, and ask for a wise man to help them and the crew. The fallen sailors are taken from the ship by sawing off the planks they are lying on, and as soon as they are on land, they decay to dust. The last one that remains is the captain who cannot be removed from the mast. The wise man takes some soil from the land, says a prayer and sprinkles it on the captain. The sailor awakens and tells his story how fifty years ago he had been the leader of a infamous group of pirates which collected all kinds of wealth. One day they captured a dervish, and as he didn't yield riches, threw him into the sea. The holy man cursed them for this deed that they should neither live nor be dead until they reach land. From then on they were forced to repeat what they had done each day without being able to change it, and even trying to send the ship against a cliff would not work. He thanks the sailor who had brought his ship to a coast and leaves all his riches to his saviour, then he dies and turns to ash like his crewmates.

[@pinchevulpes]

Been mystified with the Dutchman ever since he dropped squidward into that warhammer 40k chaos dimension 😂 ☠️

[@Elendil513]

I am that is. My sword shall wield for me. Redwall was absolutely excellent

[@xenosano]

I'm so glad to see it get recognition!

[@TheDukeOfDallas]

The Mad March Hares that served The Badger Lords of that massive mountain fortress were some of my favorite characters. The river/sea otters, like from the book Taggerung, were up there for me, too

[@electra424]

@@TheDukeOfDallas Taggerung was one of my absolute favorites. That and Triss, and Mattimeo... So good

[@mycocal3033]

Just in time for me for bed. Have been listening to this show every day for weeks while I do my skincare and unwind. End up watching each video 5-6 times to cover everything hahaha

[@TheDukeOfDallas]

Dude... you just blew my mind and took me waaaaay back in time, bringing up Castaways Of The Flying Dutchman by Brian Jacques.. Wow, it's funny how so many youngsters grew up reading the Redwall series of books but I never really hear people talking about them. There was also a Redwall Cartoon that aired on PBS, our public broadcasting station, that i quite enjoyed watching as well. Jacques was such a talented author, rest in peace to that absolute legend.

[@RichMitch]

Just glad we have planes now

[@julesonrecord]

Halo

[@RichMitch]

@@julesonrecord halo! 🫂

[@eefy11]

Fancy seeing you here! 😊

[@eefy11]

Fancy seeing you here 😊

[@RichMitch]

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[@gideonmorton1825]

I cannot tell you how much I love when this channel posts.

[@davashorb6116]

Sorry to hear about your hiatal hernia. I finally got mine repaired after 20 years. I understand your suffering. Feel better

[@royzlatanestevez9843]

I keep being amazed at the breadth of vocabulary and depth of sentence structures of writers from the 16th, 17th, 18th century. Compared to modern novelists, it's almost as if you were reading the works of another species that only rudimentarily uses their language. To be sure, there are genius writers even now, but back then, even culturally inconsequential, now forgotten, writers, whose main line of work would be shipwright or doctor or surveyor, on the side, could be a verbal creative genius.

[@chriswhite2151]

It really makes me beleive we are devolving

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

REDWALL MENTIONED!!!

[@kylefresca9564]

Happy to be here. Thanks for all the content.

[@adamprince9536]

I pray for your continued health. I’ve missed the well thought out and presented materials.

[@reporebo]

Wishing you and Crofty all the best! We appreciate you both so much. Another excellent episode, thank you!

[@geoffhunter7704]

I bought in a secondhand bookshop in Windsor that was closing down in the 1960's 3 vintage books one of which was "The True Legend of the Flying Dutchman" translated from the German by ...................in it the author states "Now Van der Dekker upon seeing his lovely wife being bound to the Stake for the crime of Heresy he being unable to rescue her prayed to God to intervene and save her and when the fire was lit consuming his Bride he Van der Dekker cursed God for ignoring his plea's thus the Legend was begun this i recollect took place in GOA India in the later 17th C.This book disappeared over 40yrs ago now but there was no published date but i remember it was published in Cheapside,London.

[@Fortress7]

This is amazing thank you perfect timing

[@thoughtsofelizabeth]

I really enjoy these. My cat recognizes the music at the beginning of each episode and knows it's getting close to bed time. I use them to help me settle down at night. I put them on to sleep to. Before anyone accuses me of being rude by sleeping to them, i hsve 2 thoughts for you. The first is that i deal with terrible, terrible nightmares. Charles and crofty have very soothing voices and the information in each episode is fascinating. If i wake up from a flashback in nightmare form, the information is intersting enough to draw me out of my terror while their voices are soothing enough to lull me back to sleep. It's gotten to the point that just hearing their voices is enough to soothe me. The second is a bit more succinct: the chanel gets the watch-time whether or not i'm sleeping to them. It's a win-win. I get restful sleep while charles and crofty get adcents! (Adcents? Adsense? Not sure of spelling).

[@lilyw.719]

I sympathize with your sleep problems. Ya know, this may seem silly, but I have a quick and easy suggestion for you that I know for a fact will almost certainly work. It certainly won't hurt to try, even if you feel a bit silly, even if you don't believe, just go on and try the experiment. You have a guardian angel, and they will help you sleep peacefully if you ask them to and if it is not contrary to God's will for some reason. So just before you lay down, ask your guardian angel. You don't have to speak and can just pray to them in your head if you want. Just be polite and respectful, because they are massively powerful, more grand and dignified beings than we are, and we should be awed by them and grateful. Here's the catch. You're making a bargain. This will only work - you will be able to sleep well and heal from PTSD - if you are willing to accept what its working, by acknowledging and embracing God. He doesn't cheapen Himself doing favors for people who aren't going to believe in Him, be grateful, and live accordingly. You know how I know? Because I had a genuine poltergeist terrorizing me at night for a year. Other people experienced it and were traumatized, I needed Church help to get rid of it, and it still took a year. I was an atheist for decades and believed in nothing whatsoever supernatural, right up until I was being tormented in my bedroom every night, and yeah, I did develop a certain degree of PTSD, although I'm over it, except that I'm still a tad more alert than I would be otherwise. The worst was the demon attack sleep paralysis dreams. Now, my guardian angel couldn't end the poltergeist because I understood that it had a useful purpose, that God was allowing it for a reason, so I never asked my angel to end things. BUT she did do the coolest thing ever for me - she took away most of my fear by actually giving me a dream where I got to see the demons the way she did, as silly little cartoon characters who think they're so tough but are just paper tigers, and I got to laugh at them and feel superior. My exorcist is Fr. John Szada, who is semi-famous on KZbin. Just Google him & you will come up with interviews and lectures. I mention him to lend my story some credibility. I'm really hoping that you'll think about what I said and just give it a try and see what happens. Normally I wouldn't spend so much time trying to help a random stranger on the internet, but there's just something about you that makes me feel really bad and hope for the best for you. Good luck, and God bless. Cheers! PS: Oh, and if you do try this and it works, don't forget to develop a relationship with your guardian angel! They appreciate being acknowledged. I feel so bad for most of them. They are family who love us, who are by our sides at every moment, and they go unacknowledged and treated as if they don't exist. That must be so sad and painful.

[@lilyw.719]

Good name, btw, Elizabeth - it's very elegant and feminine, so I notice that a lot of people really appreciate it these days. I chose that as my middle name for the sacrament of Confirmation. I'm actually planning to enter the convent and become a nun in the next year, and I plan on taking a variant of Elizabeth as my religious Sister name, too, Bethany. Cheers, again.

[@thoughtsofelizabeth]

Thankyou. I was named for my great grandmother. My confirmation name was Cecilia, one of the patron saints of music. I wound up leaving catholicism about 15 years later though I do miss mass. I sometimes think about going to mass even though I am not Christian anymore simply because it's so beautiful. I also thought about becoming a nun when I was younger but decided not to when my beliefs changed.

[@simonevans343]

Pseudo Barrington, s mention sounded as if it were an already known phenomenon

[@MysticChronicles712]

Incredible! This content is setting the bar high for quality and excellence.

[@johannahidalgo7738]

I’m so sorry about your hiatal hernia I have a hernia in my esophagus and I’m getting more studies done cause I’ve been suffering a lot these last 2 years, these hernias are a pain in our behinds….. hope you are feeling much better, I enjoy your show very much, thanks for your work!!!!!👍❤️

[@davashorb6116]

I suffered for years with a hernia plus GERD.

[@johannahidalgo7738]

@@davashorb6116 that GERD is more common than ppl think , hope you’re feeling better 👍😻

[@davashorb6116]

@@johannahidalgo7738 Thanks, you too!

[@shamorunner2660]

You've always made phenomenal content Don't even following you the past year or two, fairly recently overall. Take good care of yourself, you Folks have made phenomenal content and have a great record behind you on this plenty of sources your own thoughts of interpret interpretations, and your attempts to continually include as many different angles and potential avenues when things could have been to really help people out see what's going on. Apologies if I rambling, but I wanted you to know that you very good or making a big impact on a lot of people with the work that you do for this. Take good care of yourself and keep it up o7

[@electra424]

Wow I read The Castaways of the Flying Dutchman when I was 12 too!! Brian Jacques is amazing I loved everything he wrote and I used to memorize passages from the Redwall books and perform them dramatically for my parents 😂 but yeah looking back it was surprisingly violent!

[@mumblingmercian3386]

Very cool, glad you’ve recovered

[@ostrowulf]

Cheers, I really enjoyed this episode.

[@jakenh8264]

My first Histocrat vid, I freakin love it!

[@siobhanomalley1968]

Ooooh yes, just what I needed to help me rest up after being injured in a savage squirrel attack 😅 a soothing new Mythillogical video! Also, sorry to hear about your HH, my mum has that and it's really not fun, glad you're feeling better ❤ please take things easy and look after your good self 🙂

[@Mpkw-er9bi]

I’m so damn happy to see this episode!! Love your podcast, best wishe# for your health issues!!

[@tem_vremenem_v_kanade]

Here to leave a like because I saw this in my notifications. Will watch later!

[@brograb898]

I’ve been jonesing for a mythillogical. Love your vamping with crofty, but I will accept your solo ventures, too. (Still waiting on a 4 hr double episode with you both!)

[@SolFireYT]

ayyy he said one of my favorite phrases as history major "Wow! That's a word"

[@pavelurteaga5315]

nice job dude!

[@jackharvey5613]

You guys are getting me through finals week!

[@heigeheilm5788]

Subtitles would be great addition for all these videos

[@SedatedandRestrained]

The CC button on screen turns on the native KZbin captions and is fairly accurate

[@justinakers3196]

More episodes like this please.

[@panqueque445]

Captain McEvansmith sounds like a comedic relief character from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.

[@karsaorlong3761]

nice video

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

40:10 this is like the film "The Ghost and Mrs Muir" (1947)

[@JonnoPlays]

2:46 video begins here.

[@user-bj9jr2bt5b]

Thank you

[@siener]

I learned a lot from this video. I grew up in Cape Town and of course the story is very well known over there. I just assumed that it originated in the 17th century when the VOC was using Cape Town as a resupply station, but it looks like it's much more recent. After watching your video, I did a bit of digging to see if I could find Dutch or Afrikaans sources that point to and older origin, but I came up empty. It's pretty disappointing. FWIW, here is the version of the story that I learned as a kid: Captain Vanderdecken's ship was moored in Table Bay to resupply on the way to India, but when they were about to set sail, there was a vicious storm out of nowhere (which is not an uncommon occurrence in those parts). Bystanders and his crew were all saying that he would be crazy to set sail in that weather, but he insisted. Then someone pointed out that they shouldn't be setting sail because it was Easter, but still he could not be swayed. So God punished him for his hubris and now he and his crew are doomed to sail the sea for all eternity as a warning to others.

[@gnatfelton4117]

I love your channel so much

[@jasonshapiro9469]

Hey buddy, I'm sorry you've been having health issues. I hope you feel better. Thanks for the video

[@VincentNajger1]

Yay! Back up!

[@kennaelise9712]

Glad to hear im not the only one who’s childhood was greatly influenced by the Redwall series, then when looking back on the books realized they were actually incredibly violent. How did my strict religious parents let me read these but not watch Spongebob!

[@mikesummers-smith4091]

"Oh Senta, you've broken your vow! I cannot believe it - just how Could you flout Daland's wish? Go and swim with the fish! I'm a Dutchman if I'll wed you now!" Richard Vanderwecken is a character, in character as a space captain, in Julian May's novel _The Many-Coloured Land_

[@1rubberduck]

According to 17th century archives of Cape 'Die Goeie Hoop' the real name of the cursed ship might have been 'De Vergulde Vlaming'.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@mikerogerson6968]

Maybe the Flying Dutchman is what got the Mary Celeste.

[@brendenbrown1776]

"Curse you, McKevinSmith!"

[@robertc.4609]

As someone who has a hiatus hernia, I understand the pain. Well done on the podcast here though, another good choice.

[@samanthahubbard8654]

I also have a Hiatal Hernia and its rough! Mine was really bad and actually landed me in the hospital. I've had two corrective surgeries for it which helped. I have a links band holding it in place, still bothers me sometimes but not nearly as much. Hopefully it has settled down for you! I'm assuming you are close to my age (early 30's) and I know it really impacted my social life.

[@jasonhare8540]

Occam's razor . They're seeing ghost ships and attributing features to them that aren't actually there or somebody else did later in different renditions. Look at how many ships have been abandoned with crew just certain it's going to go under any minute and then they're still seeing sailing around 10 years later. Quite a few reports of such things off the California coast in the Washington coast and the Oregon coast . Now if it's that prevalent there I have to imagine it happens in other places. No ghosts required

[@MadMax-bq6pg]

Charles, my electronic life support system (aka my iPad) tells me there is a copy of A L Strout’s “Bibliography” in the National Library of Oz. I’ll try to get there tomorrow. Cheers!

[@jelletje8]

31:50 Vanderdecken translates to "of the decks", so yeah

[@Samuel-sg2iv]

1:20 I have the same thing but i think it's called a hiatal hernia, or maybe yours is different. But i got it a couple of years ago, and what helped me was acid reducing medicine. But the months when i didn't know what was going on, and i didnt have the medicine, that was hell.

[@christophersnedeker]

Awoooo! Bahahaha! Ledle ledle ledle le!

[@BassFlapper]

Yey!

[@kudosensei]

nice boat

[@goodman4966]

Inserting SpongeBob flying Dutchman quotes😂

[@Xerion12]

Bring our Crofty back! 😢

[@belialofeden]

37:52 i think the devil might have been on to something

[@nilsvisser4383]

Proper name of the skipper of the Dutchman is, of course, Pieter van Halen/Peter Haelen.

[@tysk5729]

It was sailed by skinny hein himself

[@aurorastoica]

I really hope one day you guys will cover unicorns 😩

[@MatthewDoye]

My introduction to this legeng was having Wagner forced in my ears from a young age. I wish we had anime and SpongeBob back then.

[@eedobee]

Video begins at 9:00

[@mtathos_]

ay me ladie, I do me fancy a topic like thee. Algorithm

[@Stogdad17]

As a couple of guys who love mythology more than anything… Your lives would be anything but “ruined” for having watched One Piece. The author of that series will be sitting at the right-hand of Tolkien at the end of times.

[@devinlucas1759]

I don't think parents screened the Redwall books in general. I remember the last ones he wrote before he died seemed to be a bit more grotesque with the violence (a decapitated head being taken as proof of victory particularly stuck with younger me) But I guess talking animals lowers their guard 😆. I didn't mind though, pre-teen me thought they were great!

[@naturalistmind]

Oh geese I loved redwall I'll have to check out that other jaques series

[@augustb.w.4778]

One piece mentioned on my favorite KZbin channel. Not something I expected but I will take it

[@overlookers]

I'll never forgive Oda for introducing another of his worst weenuses and making them the blood heir of the fucking Flying Dutchman

[@nativeafroeurasian]

27:28 so comment is too scifi?

[@nickkennedy9034]

I appreciate the Spangborp reference and coverage in this video.

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

26:10 "The Tenacity of Natural Affections" is the name of my shoegaze-emocore-deathgrind band

[@b1untf0rce]

damn near spat my drink when you mentioned spongebob even though i knew it might come

[@user-bj9jr2bt5b]

It's good myth but wish it was real

[@colinjohngilbert3994]

❤🇮🇪

[@robertbetz8461]

I can't imagine anyone else but James Mason playing the Dutchman.

[@Brynhold]

I would like to see a video from you about Dante's inferno and hell in general, just a suggestion :) great channel

[@gokce9521]

Nice adverts

[@MrJimtimslim]

He finishes taking irrelevance at 2m 45 and starts the narrative

[@xZulfur]

I came here for a flying Dutch man, what is this click bait 🤔

[@eazygamer8974]

I don't know what teacher scarred you for life by saying you were interpreting poems wrong as a child. But that's not quite right is it. You are supposed to interpret a poem from your own point of view that's the whole point. It is impossible to tell what exactly a poet was thinking when they crafted the poem. There may be a general understanding of a poems meaning but there are also no wrong answers. Art is subjective! I just thought I'd put that out there.

[@user-vf6km4sf2r]

Stop eating seed oils and carbs if you want your stomach to feel better I had the same issue until I cut those foods out

[@arjanzweers6542]

You have butchered those Dutch names beautifully

[@chadh8632]

Do you want to fix your hiatus hernia or do you want to live with it the rest of your life?

[@annyonny1224]

What do you mean corporately mandated commercial break? People come here to get away from that. Who do you think you are? Unsubbed forever.

[@maypoole5854]

Thanks for all the stuff you guys do, I absolutely love this pod 🩵

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

Greetings from a non flying Dutchman.

[@violetvixxxprovixen6682]

Aaarg, Im the Flyin' Dutchman!!😂🧽👖🏴‍☠️

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

We were actually winning the war against the Indonesian rebels. But America forced us to stop the war because "war crimes." :/