The FNAF Fan Games That Never Came To Be

[@gomotion]

0:45 >surface level fight me i'll make a sequel just to spite you jokes aside, loved the video!! :D

[@KipAshley]

as soon as i saw you doing a poll about what video to make next and it had canceled fnaf fan games in it i knew i had to start editing at the speed of light and thank you!!! :3

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Fight fight fight fight fight

[@samipro5460]

LET THEM FIGHT!!!

[@Hatsuneharold]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[@RandommBoyo]

How bout you make some effort and actually go to a real therapist to help you with your childhood drama and the believe that you are a woman 💀

[@TokyoDrift456]

7:20 i think the issue with phil wasnt really him not "controlling his fanbase" and instead him just not taking the situation seriously from the very start instead of just making jokes about it until, by phil's own admission, he saw his friends siding against him

[@sonerec725]

i mean, i can understand not taking it seriously when this sort of thing happens on the internet every other day seemingly. he was wrong but i also think the response was a massive overreaction.

[@yaoisbian]

like not taking the death threats someone was getting seriously while also getting mad at people for being mad about his opinion on ruin was actually crazy to me. like he cultivated that type of fanbase and he should've been like i don't condone doxxing and it's horrible that some of you are doing all that over a joke and it could've been over.

[@TokyoDrift456]

@@sonerec725 if you are told that your audience is sending someone death threats and your response is to make jokes about it instead of going "hey that shit isnt cool, stop it" immediately, yeah i dont blame people for thinking youre a bit of a piece of shit

[@ElPolloLoco7689]

@@TokyoDrift456 Doesn't help that he's just openly been rude to many people, like Dawko, for no reason. Guy's a real piece of shit.

[@Kitty.ggaall]

@@TokyoDrift456I'm ngl unless someone says they support harassment then we should assume they don't. Phis obviously didn't support it, and how that wasn't obvious to people is insane. Phis is a content creator, y'all hated dude so much before this I'm pretty sure he was getting death threats. I understand his response because a few rogue fans act crazy all of a sudden the burden of other people's behavior is on you. Death threats are bad, yes, but unless Phis was like hey harrass this person (which phis didn't even respond to the fnaf plus is boring tweet if I remember correctly) then what does phis have to do with that? Someone talked negative about a popular thing, a lot of the time death threats and harassment come with that, but that's on the people, not the creator. Even if he said he doesn't condone death threats, people would've still made them. Then what? Y'all would forget about the person getting the threats anyway.

[@daviddimitrov3696]

"David is a boring name" Yea thanks bud.

[@pyroonbusinesschannel118]

Im gonna call you yiffer

[@malachigv]

*HAAAAA!*

[@motherferret]

this needs to be pinned

[@Nahobussyino]

Yiffer 😳

[@rain_stuff]

He clearly doesnt know about david gilmour, david bowie, and probably some other davids

[@Warriorcat_Youtube]

The fact that phisnom did something stupid once, got his game cancelled as a result and subsequently not only had someone remake the game from scratch from screenshots alone, but someone make a remake in fucking *Geometry Dash* is beyond hilarious. Honestly, if that shit happened to me, I wouldnt even be mad, thats funny as hell

[@JCOdrjones]

He did plenty of stupid

[@alexjackyperson101]

I feel like he just didn't care about the game because it have, well over a year or two into it

[@JeliLiam]

Hey man, I'm still alive and kicking' even if barely. Listening back to what I did and how I approached things always makes me cringe. I felt like I had my entire life pulled away from under me and that got me to overshare and traumadump as a coping mechanism, something I should not have done in the 1st place and something I definetely should not have tried to defend in the ... 2nd? place? It made me lose longtime friends and aquantences and feeling barred from the community. Anyway, I'm glad to see there's still love for Aftonbuilt, and I still hold it too. In a perfect world it would've been out by now, but sadly we do not live in one. I'm hoping that I can finally put something out there again that people can play one of these days. I have not been stagnant, in fact there's been lots behind the scenes but all went nowhere in the end, running into dead ends. Lets see if this year can be a better one.

[@SilverKnight4970]

Dude I have so much faith that you can do it! It may not be easy but let's be honest nothing worth it ever is. AftonBuilt and Final Nights are inspirations for my dream of creating my own game If you could create something as great as Aftonbuilt and Final Nights then I have no doubt that you can do it again!

[@KipAshley]

Hey man, been through the same shit and it’s tough but you gotta pick yourself up, get through it, and improve yourself. What’s happened has happened and I’m glad you’re still developing projects for people to enjoy even if it’s taking some time, really means a lot you watched my video and commented on it, really looking forward to anything you make in the future, FNAF related or not, you’re a very talented person. :3

[@andrew_the_artist]

I forgot that you made Final Nights, that was my favorite fangame series as a kid.

[@BelBelle468]

I’m so sorry for what happened. I really hope you and the ppl who were on your team can move forward with projects of your own since you guys clearly have the creativity and talent to produce something so amazing. What you did is understandable all things considered. I’m also so sorry about losing your friends and I hope you guys can reconcile in the future. I hope things get better for everyone involved as well.

[@e1iteyoshi998]

I'm confident that you'll be able to make another great project in the future. Just make sure that whatever you do don't go to Theft King. I'm still honestly surprised he didn't face any legal action either with the NDA got violated.

[@plushtrap_zegeek]

Im pretty sure phisnom is completely barred from even mentioning fnaf ever, which is why some of his have been taken down, so porkchops horror show aint coming

[@wolfietronic356]

He chooses not to talk about fnaf Also porkchops is not a fnaf related project

[@braven_iss]

Phis said in the video he literally is not allowed to talk about Five Nights at Freddy's anymore. It was not a choice he made, even if it is a choice he would have made if he wasn't legally barred from doing so. He also legally isn't able to talk about FNaF Plus by extension, since it was a commercial product and not just a fan-game.

[@when-do-we-get-a-block-button]

​@@wolfietronic356are you phis's alt, because you really seem to love the taste of his boots. its not worth your time to white knight some rando online

[@wolfietronic356]

@@when-do-we-get-a-block-button It's called autism, sweaty I just really don't like fnaf misinformation

[@user-jq5gc6dx7k]

​@@wolfietronic356the other guy in this comment corrected your misinformation correction

[@freddi00]

Phisnom recently said on a stream that he was in a bad part of his life when developing FNAF+, saying that was a reason he did drinking streams so much back then. I feel this definetly played a part in both his slowed down game development and not taking the Twitter situation as seriously as he should have

[@SandwitchZebra]

That, and he gets into stupid drama all the time because people get mad at his opinions. He probably just assumed it was another thing like that. I still think he should’ve taken it more seriously, but he’s probably learned from that now One of the top comments of this video is literally “he should’ve kept his mouth shut” as if him saying he hated Ruin was the inciting incident. It wasn’t. It was the weirdos who thought it’s be funny to spam someone with gore over, gasp, an opinion and Phil just didn’t read the room correctly

[@absolutecreature7217]

yeah thinking that him not liking ruin is the reason for it being cancelled is the dumbest take dude

[@absolutecreature7217]

It rlly sucks bc people literally going after him for his opinion (cringe), some of his insane batshit fans taking that as a green light to send a dude really fucked up shit, and him not taking it seriously at first kinda fucked it up more than it already was lmao. I still think that telling big creators to control their fans is dumb bc these people are gonna be insane either way, but that doesn’t make him joking about it okay. It’s unfortunate, hopefully things are better now

[@JCOdrjones]

​@@SandwitchZebrahe should've kept his mouth shut regarding so many other things he did. He was purposely openly antagonistic towards FNAF and its fans all the time. Sure, he's allowed his opinions, he doesn't have to care about FNAF. But he kept prodding the audience over, and over, and over for shits and giggles. And what do you know, the guy who was an asshole all the time got an audience filled with assholes and they spammed gore to people. Shocker, the audience is a reflection of the creator

[@justsomebodyhere4930]

I think with the Phisnom thing it wasn't about "controlling his fanbase" no decently-sized content creator can ever dream of doing it. It's the joke apology that really did it. If he had made an actual sincere apology, denouncing the people who actually sent death threats, it would've been fine. Instead, he joked about something that should've been handled with a more serious tone

[@JCOdrjones]

The crazy thing is that he made a joke about it twice. Two different big tweets he made regarding the situation and all he did was laugh it off and only after he got fired and his friends were calling him out did he do anything

[@britanimations2002]

While no you can't control your fan base, I do believe a simple, "hey, that's awful behaviour, don't do that!" Post would've been more than enough from Phisnom showing he doesn't condone the behaviour from his fans, however the post he made didn't do that did it? Wasn't supporting it but wasn't chastising the bad people in his audience either and making a joke about the situation, I mean there's no other word for it except self destruct. The man acted in a way that was unbecoming of an influencer and I see Fnaf+'s fate as his wake up call that he needed to do better, sometimes wake up calls, hard crashes back to reality, they can be devastating, I get that, but ultimately if he comes out of this a better person, maybe it was worth it

[@BelBelle468]

The thing is, he wasn’t going to do that. Guy’s a bit of a slave to his audience. He said he wasn’t going to play Ruin. Fans had asked him prior and he kept saying no, cuz he wouldn’t like it. He knew he was biased off the bat. So the game comes out and he plays it. Cuz apparently his “fans” wanted it. And he trashed it cuz who wouldn’t see that coming? He couldn’t hold true to his own desires. So when ppl criticized him for his takes, he allowed his fanbase to continue cuz he can’t stand up to them. And he had to support them, of course. Why cultivate a decent fanbase who respects your decisions over a toxic fanbase that white knights for your honor? I guess it’s why it’s called the toxic cesspit.

[@sonicmeerkat]

@@BelBelle468 nah i don't think slaving to your audience means conding their group harrassment, there is a MASSIVE leap in logic from playing a highly requested game for your game playing channel to endorsing violating someones safety.

[@thomasravard7127]

​@sonicmeerkat when dealing with bullying/harassment there are 3 actors, a bystander and 2 groups The bystander and the bully are the first group, the agressors The victim and the disruptor are the second group, the agressed. In the case here an idiot expressed an opinion to mock phiznom and fnaf+ and got harrassed. Phiznom, the grown man he is, instead of taking the place of the disruptor by making a post saying "not cool guys, don't do it, that's bad" he took the place of the bystander by locking about the situation... And I speak from having suffered from harassment. It ended when I broke and send 3 dudes to the hospital. Einstein once said "evil doesn't prosper because it's strong, only because good people do nothing to stop it". 5:29

[@sonicmeerkat]

@@thomasravard7127you know what, fair point, while i do think it's unreasonable to demand entertainers to take responsibility for an audience cause quite simply internet funny men aren't leaders. when you know of harrassment going on and you have power to stop it you should.

[@nonapplicable6619]

“Acted in a way unbecoming of an influencer” What… He’s a streamer/game dev when did we start treating internet celebs like politicians?? Imo I think there’s better ways he could’ve handled that situation but expecting a normal dude to handle a pr situation like that perfectly is a mental reach. It’s not his fault Twitter losers took shit too far. Terminally online people won’t get this but if ur dealing with shit in real life ur not gonna be too invested in your statements u put out on the internet.

[@desk_fan_chan]

I'm still so mad bout fnaf+

[@charliewegner]

same. biggest loss ever

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@charliewegner"sometimes, things are best left to be forgotten"-scott cawton

[@ender01o66]

@@Wizardjones69 "Forever"

[@elliotsturtplus340]

Honestly all we can kinda hope that Alex fnaf fangame gets cancelled :)

[@beyondhaircraze4418]

I’ve been on copium since 2023 praying for it to come out in a cancelled build or something 😭

[@SwaggyG_2102]

Whenever a fnaf fangame is announced, there's a 40-60% chance that said game will be canceled. It sounds like a pessimistic thing to say, but I've seen my fair share of good fnaf fangames get canceled to not believe otherwise.

[@LightmareShadow]

Thing is, you're only looking at big and popular projects. These projects due to recieving popularity are facing far more pressure. Smaller projects, even if often less good are posted daily in dozens because they're not facing that stress. I think generally the problem is that once a person amasses popularity, everything they work hard for can be thrown out the window incredibly quickly if someone just finds a good enough reason to hate them or their game.

[@youraveragehotdog6836]

sweet dreams, popgoes the dead forest, popgoes reprinted, afton built, millions more. its always the cool and interesting ones too.

[@LightmareShadow]

@@youraveragehotdog6836 absolutely. Too many good games gone down the drain. Some for valid reasons, and some for quarrels that shouldn't have happened in the first place nor exploded to the lengths they did.

[@Megajaybreaker4]

It is 5-10% at most. I think you need to check the new page every once in a while.

[@BelBelle468]

That’s cuz games r hard to make. Too many consumers underestimate how difficult it is and how many games and scrapped ideas exist in this world. So many things don’t make it to launch, let alone final products.

[@masterofbloopers]

I'm just now learning about Aftonbuilt, and man... what a bummer. It looked so polished, and the fact that it was free roam really grabbed my attention! Even if the game was greenlit by Scott tomorrow, it doesn't sound like the original team would be up for a comeback tour.

[@gdsosen]

Phisnom actually somewhere said he has no problem with existence of this remake

[@DapperIndividual]

I want to add something to Phisnoms' situation, which i think contributed heavily to him stepping away from the project. Scott Cawthon essentially barred Phil from any outside help while projects like Flumptys 3 and Popgoes had mulitple people or even teams working on it. From what Phil has said in the past, Scott was being very protective and picky when it came to the FNAF+ as it could be viewed as an extension of the main brand, meaning who whole project had to be developed solo, including things Phil was uncomfortable or unfamiliar with like Sound and Music. I think this is what i think drove Phisnom away, the main parts of development were finished and he was getting burnt out with doing everything himself.

[@Megajaybreaker4]

Evidence? if so, then Scott probably wasn’t the best to work with on that project.

[@shorterazer6858]

@@Megajaybreaker4 phil did say that in one of his streams, can't remember which. The thing is Phil said i think in one of his development streams that Scott ASKED him to try and do all of it alone because there will be too much paperwork related to brand and such, allso the is a stream "arson allegations" he talks about his experience a little

[@SaggyWaggy-is8it]

@@Megajaybreaker4the fnaf streams Phil did. Every so often he would mention the development process of plus and the behind the scenes aspect of the fanverse. Even so I don't think Phil was barred from outside help, I think him and Scott made a sort of bet that Phil could remake FNaF all by himself similar to how Scott did (without a dedicated team like other fanverse projects) Phil obviously has a bit of an ego so it tracks with his personality.

[@cantthinkofaname5046]

@@SaggyWaggy-is8itI mean Phil was remaking fnaf2 that one time, I think he could’ve done it if he didn’t fuck around so much. Probably not beat Scott who was pumping FNAF out like it was nothing back in the day

[@SaggyWaggy-is8it]

@@cantthinkofaname5046 I don't think he was fucking around, I rememeber he said something about developing the game into the night (3AM) or whatever. It was probably just a big game or something.

[@emily-mae_yt]

Phisnom actually is pretty cool with fnaf plus remakes because before fnaf plus was cancelled there was a ton of fnaf plus fan games made and he breifly mentioned in a stream he wanted to do a stream someday where he plays all of them and he was pretty positive about it Also porkchops horror show is completely cancelled he mentioned it on a stream a year before fnaf plus's cancellation

[@ryanmarcos2151]

"sinister turmoil "is a instresting case of a cancelled fangame, its a massive rabbit hole with a bunch of teasers,demos and some trailers

[@beastmaster0934]

The concept of that game was so insane. It was like a FNAF version of Into the Spiderverse or something.

[@Nasrul260]

FNAF+ and Aftonbuilt are really scary examples of how making a fnaf game (or any game in general) can have HORRIBLE consequences when your not mentally fit for the challenge. I know this cause I was a roblox developer back in 2021. And trust me, i've been through some *horrible* things...

[@jaffinator2166]

8:37 During one of his streams someone brought it up and Phil said “good for them, go for it.” This was actually made before the controversy happened and he also joked it won’t matter once his version comes out.

[@geartime4]

Really sucks to hear that about Aftonbuilt. I remember watching Markiplier play it and thinking it looked really interesting, if not a bit janky and poorly balanced, more or less. I also hope someone either picks it up and takes the idea and makes their own spin on it, maybe releasing it in "chapters" since there were 4 pins on the map.

[@sushiblackcat6776]

Ah yes, Theft king. I knew he would pop up at some point in this video when you mentioned Aftonbuilt. Bro must run on remenant cause hes forever coming back with new controversies. (bad joke ik im sorry 😔👉👈 plz don't hurt me)

[@Er-f7u]

Oil up

[@Randomneme]

Nah let him cook

[@manboy4720]

"kane carter, you belong in the deepest pit of HELL!"

[@scrittle]

Theft is horrible for a magnitude of reasons (social anxiety but chose a streaming career, weaponises his audience, he's in his 30s, therapy, etc), but kid-centred IPs at this point all have influencers like this.

[@yurnit]

wait, let him cook 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@FinmacleFresh]

Phisnom has mentioned he doesnt care that someone made fnaf plus. In fact he said more power to them

[@jonathangrant480]

Love the fact that you show scott talking on the phone as a phone while using a phone🤣🤣🤣

[@BelBelle468]

While I generally agree with your opinion on Phisnom and FNAF+, I do think he’s accountable for his own actions. He can’t control his fanbase, you’re totally right. Ppl shouldn’t expect that. The main issue was that he said he wasn’t going to play Ruin. He knew he wasn’t as into FNAF anymore, but he played Ruin for some reason. And of course he disliked it. This whole thing began cuz he couldn’t stick to his own decisions. He can’t control his audience but he can control his own actions, and he refused to do so. All he wanted was an excuse to vent his frustrations out on, and I doubt FNAF+ would’ve been made, like you said.

[@Supeduped]

If i recall correctly, someone he knew had convinced him to play it, he actually wasnt going to.

[@themustardman219]

Ah yes, humans are humans

[@manuelvasconcelos8982]

Btw a toxic KZbinr named sleeplive was also responsible for FNAF + to get cancelled, he downplayed the situation more than phisnom taking it as a joke, said that phisnom shouldn't have apologized and to add insult to injury he threw the person that should not be mentioned under the bus by putting his irl face in his thumbnail, accusing them of using the controversy clout and downright bullying and belittling them I'm not saying that you should harass sleeplive but he needs to be held accountable

[@yurifairy2969]

Phisnom didn't get booted because of one twitter controversy, he got booted after years of shitty behavior

[@manuelvasconcelos8982]

@@yurifairy2969 but what does that have to do with sleeplive being a manipulative piece of garbage?

[@Bryan-yv7kf]

Holy shit thats horrible

[@steamkake]

I like how this guy just used pictures of funny cats as a avatar

[@uselesstoothbrush3247]

I loved the commentary in this one!! Also this has such high production quality but nowhere near enough views and likes 😭 keep up the good work 💪💪

[@rattlebear25]

I freaking love your avatar dude! 😂 💯

[@ca4360]

Based for gomo mention, also great video you deserve more views

[@usixn1117]

I might be the only one, but I always thought it was "The Cog Forever Turning" and not "Spinning" 😭 probably because I didn't pay attention to that fangame as much

[@ElkorGod]

4:11 That noise plays when you sumo fight the elder goron and the town leader in twilight princess legend of zelda Like a pig to a truffle, man

[@SlamBolts]

Scott being depicted as a literal phone auricular is how I'll see him from now on

[@Local_Intruder]

As someone who followed-and still follows-Phil, I do think that he handled the situation very badly. But people tend to put it as if he literally said "yeah guys go do this awful stuff." when he didnt. Yes he reacted badly, yes he should've handled it better and there really isnt any excuse to it as far as I know, but hey at least he actually admitted to it and became a better person afterwards. The internet never forgets or forgive and I kinda hate that, because once you do something bad its gonna carry on your back like the plague forever. At least he feels better now, and the majority of people arent bitching about it anymore. In the end no one got hurt, at least. Phil does his own stuff now, the only people still being problematic about it are the asshole going in and insulting him after so much time has passed. Bringing up the topic and just never letting it go and that really gets me. Cuz you have NO REASON to do that, Phil already got what he deserved you dont need to bring more hate, they just make everyones day shittier.

[@Seylew]

he didnt deserve it at all, the kid who got fnaf plus canceled got exposed as a pedo

[@thealpacaofsupport258]

Great video! Loved how you tackled the topics and the drama, i felt it was respectful enough ^^ The Fnaf+ situation as a whole is sad, while i know creators can't be expected to control each and every follower they have when they are doing stuff in the name of the creator, the way Phil handled the situation was really bad The consecuences of basing your internet persona on being an annyoning and hateful dude that makes problematic/controversial comments (even if it is just a persona and not your real personality) is that you'll attract people who are annyoing, hateful and problematic as your audience, combine that to the way phil decided to not take the situation seriously soon enough, and it's kinda obvious something like this was gonna happen This is why i deter myself from following Content Creators with that kind of personality as a selling point, a lot of the times they are bad people or their followers are bad people or a combination of the two, it's just safer to not get close to that kind of content creators for your mental health I never cared much about Fnaf+ tbh, but still it's sad the og game will never be finished bc a lot of people were really excited for the game, i hope Phil learnt from this experience as is more careful of the way he treats his audience, and i hope he keeps creating stuff bc he might be annyoning, but he's really good at his job 🙏 About the fnaf+ Fangame situation i have to say that: I am super against AI voices and all of this AI generated Content trend that has become popular lately bc it is mostly trained and based on stolen content made form real artists and actors. I am very happy that Scott is also opposed to AI voices, but i am ever happier that the Fnaf+fangame dev owned up to his mistakes and decided to contract a real voice actor for the game, even if at the end the game wasn't allowed to be published (which is understandable tbh) People are allowed to make mistakes, and while i dislike AI voices and such, i don't think we should execute people for using them or smth, specially if it is small creators that may even not know the damage these AI tools are provocating to the industry, it's not a sin to not know every single problematic backstory of every new popular product, specially one that has been sadly really normalized by a lot of people these past years. I am glad the dev learned from this experience and i wish them the best of luck in future projects they decide do make or participate on ^^ The Afton build situation is sad bc how it was handled, it doesn't help the fact that theftking became involucrated lmao, i wish the best for the devs of the game and Jeli, i hope their work is able to be properly appreciated and published in the future if they decide to continue doing games, be it as a team or as separate people Seeing a complete vision of what Afton Built was gonna be it's gonna be it's probably impossible, but i'd still love to see projects inspired of ideas that weren't able to be used in the game yet Also, what's with Scott hiring problematic people lmao? Scott seems like a good dude, but i think he needs to take more care of the Fnaf fans he decide to work with in the future

[@wyattsaum272]

My thoughts on these cancelled games + the unofficial remake is cool 39 II neat Cog bot disappointing but fair Aftonbuilt i was sad about this one for a while and the reason the mechanic helps Afton is cause Afton promised to the mechanic to make his family immortal ( or something along those lines )

[@RaisinHook]

FNAF 2 took 4 months, Candy's 2 took 7 months, Flumpty's 2 took "about 4 weeks" how did FNAF Plus, a reskin of FNAF 1 take over 2 years to develop there was only 2-3 ways FNAF Plus was going to end Phisnom shadow-dropping the game after everyone gave up and him barely talking about it Phisnom getting into a controversy cuz of his shit personality and canceling the game Scott forcing Phisnom to release something

[@wolfietronic356]

No Patrick, fnaf plus was not just "a reskin of fnaf 1" Also different devs work at different speeds

[@Dingle-God1987]

Tbh I don't care what anybody says, it's Phisnom's own fault that fnaf+ went down the route it went, he didn't care about the game nor his fans, or even the franchise that he claimed he loved so dearly. He's just an egotistical, over-sensitive sloth who never cared about fnaf or Scott Cawthon and was just too lazy to be put in charge of remaking an iconic horror game. Like look at his old game, Porkchop's adventure, it had serious potential, all that being wasted by Phisnom's lack of care for his creation so he just dumped it and used "Family issues" as an excuse. The same thing happened with fnaf+, he couldn't be bothered to put effort into creating the game and couldn't take criticism so because of that, he had a silly little temper tantrum and cancelled fnaf+ and left the series all together because of his Ego. Thanks for nothing Phisnom.

[@RaisinHook]

@@wolfietronic356 there are multiple clones of FNAF 1 on Roblox, this should have taken a year tops

[@wolfietronic356]

@@RaisinHook with most of those games, the maps and models are premade assets

[@wolfietronic356]

@@Dingle-God1987 I like how you left out the part where he was stalked

[@kaileymcclain2391]

The good thing about the internet is when you get in a argument you have TIME to respond to insults

[@jacdp445]

Seeing how there was a canceled five nights with 39 2, I wonder if there was a canceled five nights at f**kboys 4 final mix

[@wolfietronic356]

Sadly, fazbear tycoon has to be added to this list

[@gabopr1365]

That was for me the breaking point, and was the reason I gave up on the fangame community as a whole.

[@Whispurer]

Sinister Turmoil and AftonBuilt are absolutely tragic cancellations, the final Sewers update still hasn't come out :(

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

Scott has hired alot of people that are either psychopaths or people who have a huge ego. He needs to find creators that are normal people

[@thatchannel3032]

impossible ill give you 10000 usd if you can find me a sane fnaf developer im sure even the people at steel wool have something going on lol

[@user-jq5gc6dx7k]

​@@thatchannel3032nikson and emil macko I'll take the 20k bucks now

[@user-jq5gc6dx7k]

​@@thatchannel3032emil

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

@@thatchannel3032 steel wool may not be normal but at least they are not doing the dumb crap that some of the fan devs of the FnafFanVerse have done as I mentioned

[@nuIlsky]

many people who get their games somehow popular become weird. Its kind of common even on youtube as you can see with youtubers for example their channels becoming strange and even ai-like. Its the same with some devs.

[@bluegold1026]

If phisnom would have kept his big mouth shut, FNAF+ would probably never have been cancelled.

[@paolocontegiacomo2509]

Probably, probably not... Guess we'll never know

[@manuelvasconcelos8982]

I don't think it would matter if phisnom "kept his big mouth shut" or not, he would definitely still cancel FNAF+ anyway In my defense i understand, I know it sucks that the most highly anticipated fnaf fan game in the fazbear initiative kicks the bucket but it was evident that phil is no longer happy with it, i mean what's the point of working on something you're not passionate about anymore?

[@duckfreak6818]

I have mobile fnaf plus

[@BigBroccoli_]

Or maybe if the internet wasn’t such babies about everything

[@Perry27]

@@BigBroccoli_ getting mad at someone for basically encouraging their audience to send death threats to people isnt being a baby, its being rational.

[@SansINess53]

also phisnom didn't actually want to play security breach ruin, he was begged to play it but then people became pussys and then phisnom became a dumpster.

[@diiigitz]

Phisnom actually did see the fanmade remake and he was very positive about it.

[@andrewleyton6689]

I still see the fnaf + cancellation as a everyone's too blame for what happened. Phisnom forgot even if is his persona is supposed to toxic, that people will have buttons push if it involves kids and them being exposed to something. fans because they acted inmature and did behaviour which instead of making them the ones to paid it fell on Phisnom instead and finally the other side of community which where saying Phil got what he deserved but showed hipocresy and the same behaviour they were calling him for. I agree this whole thing should't had cost him the spot in the fanverse, and I actually knew he wouldn't like ruin before his stream because when I saw dawko's playthought I knew it had the things Phil does not like in a horror game and even he made clear at first he was not gonna play ruin but gave in just because people were telling him it "fixed security breach"

[@Albert._]

Awesome vid dude. Just stumbled across it on my recommendeds. Hope to see more from you in the future. Dig the outro btw, what is that?

[@KipAshley]

A mod for Tony Hawk’s Underground called THUG Pro! There’s a ton of kids for the game especially with custom skaters, I’m honestly pretty awful at the game but when I get time to i’ll try and become better and redo the outro. As for the song, it’s in the description :3

[@Dr_Heavy]

Oh damn I didn’t even notice cog forever spinning got its page deleted since I was following it and installed it once it was uploaded

[@LightmareShadow]

6:44 I think this story shows one of my biggest gripes with the state of the internet today. Back in like, 2016, people would say f-d up stuff all the time, and no one took it to heart because there was no expectation for responsibility on the internet. People knew that youtubers are often just dumb teenagers poking fun with their editing softwares so even if there were 5 dramas a day in the style of the Phisnom situation, it would not result in games getting cancelled and channels going silent, but would just be a "f- you and I'll see you tommorow" sort of deal. Nowdays, people are expected to be perfect and responsible, and the crowd, especially in platforms like Twitter that encourage hostility, is given _way_ too much power over the individuals actually putting in the work to make stuff. This creates situations like this: -phisnom says game is boring -someone jokingly says phisnom's game is boring -twitter is twitter -phisnom doesn't take it seriously -*game gets cancelled for good* This whole situation wreaks of a big lack of understanding in the internet that people can be stupid sometimes and make mistakes or say mean things, because that's the world we live in. And you can't solve things by manifesting a mob around every person that says something you dislike. Instead, you need to be compassionate to the people around you and distance yourself from people that make your life worse. And it honestly pisses me off how much great things go down the drain over the stupidest and most menial shit in the world piling up in the most irresponsible ways imaginable. We aren't in a soap opera nor a sit-com made for children. We are living in a real and complicated human society and we need to accept it.

[@pyroonbusinesschannel118]

Cant agree more, yeah the internet has to also blame the fans

[@terancetan5503]

The reasonable and objective thing to do is to just stand down, walk away and get off the Internet before the situation escalates. That said, it's still not alright to have a bad attitude and belittle others and get away with it because you're talented.

[@terancetan5503]

​@@pyroonbusinesschannel118 I'm not so sure. Phisnom already had a very negative view of the Lighter and Softer direction mainstream FNAF was going in, but that didn't give him the right to be a jerk to people who liked it. Granted, the fans are also kind of at fault here for triggering him, but he didn't have to join in with the mocking and bullying of that one person who made a jab at his expense. He could have played it cool and been coy about it, but above all, he should have taken it seriously. No joke here, this incident is actually the reason why I take everything in life seriously.

[@pyroonbusinesschannel118]

@@terancetan5503 i see what you mean

[@crab5862]

Phisnom is a grown adult. If he cannot restrain himself from saying "hey please no death threats to people" he doesn't deserve shit.

[@Quackervoltz]

It's so funny how by his own admission from a month ago on Twitter, he was never actually changing and blamed the whole thing on the person who was harassed with gore.

[@buster3041]

Well he was gonna ditch fnaf anyway, never work with anyone involved with it, and the fans are major weirdos.

[@mr.s4ndman]

0:11 There was originally a FNAF 6 planned, but it ended up being cancelled and instead we got Pizzeria Simulator.

[@kingofcrap4414]

No, Pizzeria Simulator IS FNAF 6, it was a fake cancellation.

[@Ic3_Blu3]

I sometimes wonder if there's a reality where Porkchop's Horror Show and FNaF Plus actually came out 🥲

[@e1iteyoshi998]

4:43-4:52 Yeah i gotta agree on that situation involving that person being very ironic. I tend to look at that part is two wrongs not making a right. It overall feels like the drama between Phisnom and this fan really got blown out of proportion and both sides did stuff to make themselves look bad. It's sad FNAF+ got cancelled by at the same time it does feel like a blessing in disguise on Phisnom's part. At least there's the version by LostPaw that came close to Phisnom's vision of the game so FNAF+ technically does have a happy ending.

[@Mr_cenzo]

This vid just serves to remind me how wild the Fnaf fanbase is sometimes.

[@metallistener340]

8:39 pretty sure i saw a stream clip where people asked what he thought about the fnaf plus fan games and he said he was chill with it and wishes good luck to those working on their own fan projects

[@lysenthe]

I wonder if you've kept tabs on Graveyard Shift at Freddy's and its demo. It's a total treat to go through, plus it was cameo'd in this very video.

[@Azra_Fox]

All i learned from this video is geometry dash map creators are on a higher level of thinking than us.

[@BelBelle468]

19:09 reminds me of the games Patty & Mr. Miles and HetaOni. Both were games/sequels that were cancelled due to their computers failing after some well known natural disasters in Japan. It’s always sad to see games end cuz of this issue, esp Patty & Mr. Miles since it was left on a cliffhanger

[@nadroji6549]

F*cking theft king, man, always getting into something. Great video BTW, love your style & all that, really great stuff.

[@O_Obsidious]

awe man... i wish aftonbuilt ended up cookin. loved workin with that team n everything about the project, and i dont blame the homie liam at all. we were all angry but we shoulda just kept our cool and not let our emotions get the better of us

[@dubblixer8420]

What about fnaf tycoon

[@coltforceplayer]

23:15 “This was obviously a lie” BZZZZ-!!!!

[@spook6473]

I love your editing and music choices dude awesome job

[@DeliveryForZod]

I'm a little surprised nobody has tried stealing the project files. i mean, probably not ok, but that project does not deserve to be thrown away like this.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Scott: Afton Built is too ambitious. You're not allowed to make it. Also Scott: Let's release Security Breach! People are gonna love it. I specifically said this because some people criticised security breach and one of the points they made was that it was too ambitious and there wasn't enough time to flesh it out which probably led to the weird story and so much cut content that probably would have made security breach better. Also the glitches. Sucks that Afton Built got done dirty like that.

[@braven_iss]

FNaF has sadly just become a mostly corporate product. It ended in FNaF 4, and everything after was kind of just extra. SL+6+UCN had some passion, but once Scott went to Steel Wool FNaF officially became a brand product and not an indie product. It's just par for the course that it'd end up this way now tbh

[@lovedetctivegirl]

I think Security Breach was the game that made Scott wary of ambitious projects. Remember that Afton Built wasn't still finished, and Security Breach came out with so many problems that it made it one of the most controversial games in the franchise. The fact is, even if the developers at Steel Wool had a lot of love for it (and that love translated into parts of the game that are frankly really good to the point of making the game loved by some), they still made a game that was downright unplayable for some people. And if a company that shows that kind of ambition didn't do it, what gives the security that Afton Built would have not ended the same? I am sad for how Afton Built ended, but I understand Scott's wariness for the ambition of other creators.

[@Danblak08]

@@braven_issto me it ended after ucn because fnaf 6’s ending speech still hits hard to this day and ucn barely has lore. Anything past ucn is like an AU to me

[@elliotsturtplus340]

@@lovedetctivegirlthis was before Security breach was realised so that doesn’t work

[@BelBelle468]

There’s a high chance AftonBuilt was cancelled specifically cuz SB was a mess and too ambitious

[@mjdevlog]

I would really love someone to talk about Pyro Illusion That was like the most hyped one from the early days

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

Personally, i wouldn't have any issue with Phisnom, i do admit that Ruin isn't scary, and it gives more questions than answers, but he really could've gone about it differently. PLUS, he said that he delays FNAF Plus' release by 1 day everytime someone asked him for a release date, so that's already pretty petty if it isn't a joke, and the way he addressed the situation on twitter... I don't think it's that hard to tell your fanbase 'hey, don't sent death threats to people over a game with killer robots', but for Phisnom, seems like it was.

[@AleckGamer40]

16:08 The game actually did have a Trojan, however, Theresnosteak had no idea how this could've happened since the devs never encountered this issue. She took the page down to prevent anyone else from getting a virus until said problem was resolved. Which obviously never happened.

[@bigragegage]

Banger video man you've got some good humour with the editing

[@Tarsier-r9z]

If you think about it, there’s probably some very early demo floating around of Fnaf plus

[@Seylew]

its just put away somewhere

[@InadButters]

13:31 cant believe bear5 is now realll

[@Supeduped]

Theftking is still the king of theft to this day 😔

[@MisterMoodyHere]

2:31 the phone on the phone 😭

[@iimuffinsaur]

no wait the geometry dash fnaf plus is hilarious i love that.

[@ImportantlyNothing]

Just subscribed! Keep up the content!

[@user-bigchungus1984]

Also FNAF Plus was just bloated as hell Like I know it's hard to make games, but some bloke in Latvia made a FNAF Plus Clone in 24 hours. I know it was pretty surface level and crappy but still - I don't think it would take him OVER THREE YEARS to make it truly good, maybe like a month or HALF A YEAR at most.

[@shiny_girl_loves_dragons1022]

it's probably gotten too a point where Theft King starting up his own drama. I'm seeing so many videos of him saying something controversal or poking his nose something that isn't his business. It's strange The 2 most upsetting games to hear were cancelled was FNAF+ and Aftonbuilt. Why I am sad about them being cancelled, I understand and accept why

[@HGamesOfficial-x2p]

I still don't know the reason of FNaF Plus being cancelled, I think I have to find out myself

[@Parasilized]

Phisnom disliking ruin starting all that shit is wild.

[@gigiisaweirdo8175]

I’ve been wondering what happened because yesterday I wanted to see if fnaf plus was ever finished and just found that it never was 😭

[@bigmacemperor]

One thing I can appreciate is how you tag everything in your description

[@TheEnglishScotsman352]

Am I the only one who doesn't feel like supporting Liam after learning the full extent of the Aftonbuilt situation?

[@Crazycolors1248]

The way I see it, the reason these games never came to be is because of one single word. DRAMA: We can never get enough of it.

[@Drfreaky-kms]

I always had a feeling from the beginning that phis would get into some kind of controversy and the game would get canceled

[@DoggedlyHandsome]

Scott didn’t quite realize when he started the fan game program that the majority of fnaf fan projects were made by immature kids with no knowledge of how to behave professionally

[@Wizardjones69]

one of them were a groomer so bruh

[@randomannoyance]

Phisnom seems to be a great guy. the fnaf community is a shadow of its past

[@djbrashblubber]

My Fnaf game is canceled

[@KperaOfficial]

fnaf plus was cancelled because the creator coudn't get out of twitter for some time and finnish the sound effects

[@edge1247]

It was taken this guy 2 years to make a fan project that Scott took only 2 months to make. Dudes a primadonna, he can act as nonchalant as he wants but he has only himself to blame for his game falling apart and being remade by someone more competent. If it was made by someone other than Phisnom FNAF+ could've been great.

[@VeryNeil]

Hey! This was a really good video dude! But I do recommend turning the music down in certain bits, it’s a little hard to hear you sometimes, especially in the beginning. Other than that, this was a great video!!

[@Ratchet641]

I genuinly love your videos man

[@Southparkfan598]

24:06 i actually saw this situation and it was so dumb and easily disproven, one of the rare Theft King Ws

[@e-pointer2262]

19:04 you mean the unnerving Graveyard shift at Freddys that popped up some weeks ago?

[@SpartanS1ayer195]

I actually have a youtube and Twitter dedicated to keeping the teasers and trailers from fnaf plus om the internet lol

[@adventurekitty101]

4:45 I know that person being mentioned(I know them online) since I talked with them during that other controversy. I wanted to know both sides of the story since I felt it was a situation where the truth was somewhere in the middle. I also think Twitter went way too far as usual as a doxxing happened. I won’t say anymore as it’s not my place to say anything, and both parties just want to move on.

[@DiamondBatToons]

At this point, I'm pretty much done with fangames, 7/10 fangames just end up getting canceled for some reason. I just can't win, it's only official stuff or nothing for me now

[@rmmvfazbearentertainment1054]

Will you do five nights at Freddy's final hours 3 which did have a demo but was cancelled too

[@WRAITHMANE]

so pissed fnaf plus got cancelled

[@janerikandersen7603]

suck to be u lol

[@polocatfan]

imagine defending that guy.

[@CoolKidMethew]

​@@polocatfanThe original comment didn't say anything to that effect. I don't know why you reply as if it did.

[@taistealai5523]

​@@polocatfanaverage fnaf fan reading comprehension

[@Eugine_krabs]

​@polocatfan imagin being a baby

[@SnaxxHaxTV]

I'm kinda sad that Aftonbuilt could never be finished it would have been the best fangame ever. I hope it gets revived by someone someday and it was such a perfect fit for the Fanverse even though Scott rejected it it uses somewhat original designs, the story is unique and the gameplay is something we've never seen before. Scott technically had no reason to reject it due to it following all the Fanverse rules

[@allosaurusanimations]

Posted 2 days ago!? How did I not watch this already!?

[@Sashin-d8t]

Theft kings response to jeliliam was kinda funny

[@Sunrise_MoondropEntertainment]

wow this is such an underrated channel!! love your content :D

[@exoticbuilder]

how it feels to find a new and based commentary channel