The Forgotten Pontiac: Should Pontiac Have Produced This 1988 GTO?

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@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 ай бұрын
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@RareClassicCars
@RareClassicCars 3 ай бұрын
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@phantom0456 3 ай бұрын
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@TXiCN
@TXiCN 3 ай бұрын
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@CaymanIslandsCatWalks
@CaymanIslandsCatWalks 3 ай бұрын
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@RichMander1
@RichMander1 3 ай бұрын
@@RareClassicCars “Carpenter” here.. I’ll second this. There’s sooooo much car content out in KZbin world. Most of it makes me cringe at how long it takes to hammer a car back to life during a “barn find”. An hour and a half? Test light on the points, file if necessary or replace.. fill the floats from a squirt bottle with a healthy shot down the throat, and send it. I digress. Nobody else is getting into this nuance, on cars that were once everyday, but are now largely forgotten. So, Adam thanks for bringing us strange, unique, and even quirky knowledge that nobody else does.
@MichaelBradley1967
@MichaelBradley1967 3 ай бұрын
I had a 2005 GTO w/a 6 speed manual. It was a lot of fun, relatively cheap and had a more smooth, organic look than other Pontiacs from that era. There were several in my area, all different colors.
@gm12551
@gm12551 3 ай бұрын
I can imagine Bob Lutz speaking your comments about cheap and organic looks.
@keeganandersson4281
@keeganandersson4281 3 ай бұрын
That GTO wasn’t a Pontiac at all actually. It was a rebadged Holden Monaro
@CJColvin
@CJColvin 3 ай бұрын
It's a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia 🇦🇺 (which there for not a real Pontiac like the originals).
@Offthbadan
@Offthbadan 3 ай бұрын
I think it was a good idea, but it already looked 10yrs. old when released. Bland and Sunfire looking. But then again, Pontiac and GM was trying to stay afloat by then.
@mikee2923
@mikee2923 3 ай бұрын
@@CJColvin You could say the same thing about the Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am after 1981.
@gustavoflorio5383
@gustavoflorio5383 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps because I'm a 80's kid, still think these fluid shapes + full glass canopy designs are the most futuristic shit ever. Love them!
@iluvcamaros1912
@iluvcamaros1912 3 ай бұрын
I grew up coveting 4th gen F-bodies. I miss when sports cars were sleek/contemporary not just retro boomer nostalgia. Now because the Camaro goes on "hiatus" every decade it has to "look like a Camaro" when it comes back again. 🤦‍♂
@bradzimmerman3171
@bradzimmerman3171 3 ай бұрын
@@iluvcamaros1912gM designers have no talent or imagination they are copy cat professionals,the drugs don’t help them either
@kurtisstutzman7056
@kurtisstutzman7056 3 ай бұрын
The 99 is the newest(ugliest) generation of Camaros...! The 88 looks like a fourth generation F-body except for the greenhouse... It looks like an Eagle Talon/Eclipse/ Plymouth...! Anyone remember the Plymouth version of the first Eclipse...? What was its name...?!
@NapoleonDynobyte
@NapoleonDynobyte 3 ай бұрын
88’ GTO Looks like a Pontiac version of the GM-80 front wheel drive platform
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 ай бұрын
I miss Jim Wangers and his toupee. Always enjoyed his discussions on old 90s tv car shows.
@strippingears9052
@strippingears9052 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, like tnn, speed, or spike tv …
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 ай бұрын
@@strippingears9052 yes sir.
@Offthbadan
@Offthbadan 3 ай бұрын
That was good TV back then. Now I’m going to look for those old episodes on KZbin.
@DSP1968
@DSP1968 3 ай бұрын
Wow, I don't recall ever seeing this show car. A pretty good design for the day, in my opinion.
@budschlick8500
@budschlick8500 3 ай бұрын
There was a GTO concept before this based on a Quad4 Grand Am, I remember seeing photos of them, and a few articles.
@clay43373
@clay43373 3 ай бұрын
Yep it was based on the 86 Grand Am
@dznr723
@dznr723 3 ай бұрын
Have pix of a '92 era GTO based on the Grand Am. A non starter.
@vintagemotelguest
@vintagemotelguest 3 ай бұрын
Ugh -- maybe you shouldn't have reminded us.
@jcarr0314
@jcarr0314 3 ай бұрын
Those 88 concept wheel look like Beretta Z26 wheels
@User-1683x2
@User-1683x2 3 ай бұрын
I really like the beretta, havent seen one in like 15 years tho
@MichaelBradley1967
@MichaelBradley1967 3 ай бұрын
@@User-1683x2 I had a 92 with the 3.1L and a 5 speed manual. Surprisingly quick.
@thomobrien1854
@thomobrien1854 3 ай бұрын
They are very similar to the Z26 wheels from 94-96 (also the Lumina Van had 15 inchers)
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 3 ай бұрын
I was going to say this. I think they’re the same wheels, only with a Pontiac center hub vs the bowtie.
@kurtcounty8703
@kurtcounty8703 3 ай бұрын
Inspired The 1996 Rivera front end.
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 3 ай бұрын
If GM made a sedan out of this, it would fit in perfectly with the Ford Taurus/Sable and the 1st gen Chrysler LH cars. Very similar design themes.
@harlequintheserpent7016
@harlequintheserpent7016 3 ай бұрын
Yes! That similarity with the abominations of soapboxes being LH! Brrrrrrrr... The ugly car craze was on it's all time highest. Aztek and Renault Logan look funny and interesting beside them...
@melvinharris7859
@melvinharris7859 3 ай бұрын
@@harlequintheserpent7016 Still think the LH cars and other "soapbox" cars of the 90s were a huge improvements over the dull, slab sided bricks that we had been getting for the past 15 years out of Detroit.
@harlequintheserpent7016
@harlequintheserpent7016 3 ай бұрын
@@melvinharris7859 Sure bricks were boring as heck and as anemic as asphyxiated snakes, but, at least, you could fit in them right being over 5' tall and they had some actual suspension travel and ground clearance so that your ride wasn't constantly followed with those belly rubs and bumpstop slams. Also, putting the steering rack on a shelf below the windshield was just a brilliant idea, serviceability... is none. And Toyota amongst the others had come up with a similar design... Brilliant, let's just copy each other's engineering blunders untill all the cars end up... Wait, we're already there.
@melvinharris7859
@melvinharris7859 3 ай бұрын
@@harlequintheserpent7016 None of the stuff you brought up is exclusive to or started with round cars. The majority of the vehicles produced during the 1980s fit all of those descriptors. Take the General Motors X, A, J, and C-Body cars of the 1980s. Or take your pick from any Asian import of the time. Or the extremely successful and mass produced Chrysler K-Cars. All square designs. All with steering racks mounted behind the motor, low ground clearance, and limited suspension travel. Auto makers sold millions of these cars. Additionally, cars didn't get any more cramped inside when the round era of design came around, if anything it was the opposite, if you actually took the time to look at some interior measurement figures for various cars of the two eras. Take for example, a 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier, and a 1995 Chevrolet Cavalier. Two common mass produced GM vehicles of the eras. Both on the J-Body platform. One with square styling and one with rounded, aerodynamic styling. For the '95, we have 39" of front headroom, and 42.3" of front legroom. As well as 54.9" of front shoulder room. For the '85, we have 38.6" of front headroom, 42.2" of front legroom, and 53.7" of front shoulder room. The '95 is larger inside in every dimension. You'll find the more cars you look at, that this holds true for the vast majority of vehicles produced. It sounds to me like your issue is less so with round cars, and moreso with FWD cars, since all the stuff you listed is just stuff that most FWD cars suffer from, regardless of when they were made or what the exterior styling looks like. Both the two major RWD old-school cars of the square-car era continued to be produced into the 1990s with updated aerodynamic bodywork, all while gaining increased interior space and retaining the same long-travel suspension and the same ground clearance as older models. And a front-steer design. But I suppose I wasn't expecting much from the guy who is arguing in favor of square malaise era cars.
@harlequintheserpent7016
@harlequintheserpent7016 3 ай бұрын
@@melvinharris7859 Sure as heck, that has more to do with the FWD layout than with the outer shell design. My bad for not putting the point, that malaise era boxes I was comparing LHs with were all RWD. Especially my favourites - the Panther platform, which, being born in malaise era, happily lived out of it to become a bit less anemic and be the last classic body-on-frame sedans in existence. Exception from the FWD rule I've encountered were the Toronados and the Rivieras, in them you seem to have all the space you want - and some extra. Gutless, characterless due to FWD, but, at least, your eyes didn't reside right in front of the windshield frame and the visor, like in Corvettes and T-birds.
@jackorispontiac
@jackorispontiac 3 ай бұрын
My 2001 Sunfire coup had 2 bulbs in the rear PONTIAC letters. Looked great
@EyesWideOpen61
@EyesWideOpen61 3 ай бұрын
As a guy who had a couple Pontiacs and has followed the brand history forever, plenty new here to me, fantastic
@jefffixesit60
@jefffixesit60 3 ай бұрын
A nice looking concept, but I doubt there was (or ever will be) a market hungry for a front wheel drive GTO. The '99 GTO concept looks like it morphed into the production '07 Camaro. Thanks Adam, great content as always!😁
@michaelroberts6450
@michaelroberts6450 3 ай бұрын
this concept has a dodge stealth look to it that's what jumped out at me about it. The radius in the upper door is very distinctive like you pointed out, once people found out the 2004 GTO was a imported Australian design with Pontiac cosmetics it lost it's credibility with purists who had the money to afford it I would think. I remember in 1980's Pontiac did a SD4 powered Grand Am engineering exercise thought to possibly be the 1987 GTO. obviously it didn't come to fruition certainly because of the front wheel drive aspect it also being a 4 cyl. didn't help either. It made 300hp If I remember correctly.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 3 ай бұрын
I never understood the “loss of credibility” because it was a rebadged Monaro. So what? GM actually sold the Monaro under the Chevrolet badge in the Middle East for awhile. It’s a rear drive LS-powered coupe. Does it really matter that it was an Aussie design?
@kurtcounty8703
@kurtcounty8703 3 ай бұрын
​@@zlinedavidexactly, if it's dope sell it.
@AlexanderWaylon
@AlexanderWaylon 3 ай бұрын
I think it’s a great looking car for that time, but I think that traditionalists would have fell over and got up screaming “what a disgrace” and knowing GM of the time, top engine probably would have been a 2.8. It’s probably best that they had not produced this car and called it a GTO. They could have produced it and called it something else I’m sure it would have done extremely well.
@willjay916
@willjay916 3 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the goofy Subaru SVX sports car with the stumpy windows.
@ferdburfel7447
@ferdburfel7447 3 ай бұрын
Adam - suggestion for a video: the creation of the Grand Ville. I read somewhere that it was an interesting amalgam of parts from both B and C bodies. Great result, and I'd love to know more about how they created this big handsome beast that still managed to look downright sporty next to the other big C bodies of its day. Keep up the good work!
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Adam. This video was quite interesting. I do not recall this concept or design proposal. I liked the information. I thank you for sharing the early 1970's GTO that failed. I liked that you mentioned the Holden based GTO and mentioning how it came from Holden and how it was introduced. The enthusiasts like the 2004-2006 GTO now. There are a bunch of You Tube videos for that car. This video was quite good.
@thomastoler2397
@thomastoler2397 3 ай бұрын
Adam, to let you know just how spoiled you’ve made me with these quality productions, I find myself hugely disappointed if I find you haven’t uploaded a new one…EVERY day! Thanks for that…I guess!😜
@luckyduckydrivingschool3615
@luckyduckydrivingschool3615 3 ай бұрын
I love the aesthetic of 90's GM designs (as a result of their 80's concepts)
@RDEnduro
@RDEnduro 3 ай бұрын
Kinda like a Dodge Stealth
@Educatingben
@Educatingben 3 ай бұрын
I love this GTO from the 80s. I think they should've put it out because people would've really liked it at that time. It is a beautiful car. I'd drive that now
@Jack_Stafford
@Jack_Stafford 3 ай бұрын
Ahoy Adam! I've never seen this concept! I really enjoy the "optimistic future" designs of the 80s, and the first car this one reminded me of was the super sleek, Saturn SC1 coupe. Always thought they were cool, kinda small, but offered great looks of a Firebird-type car for guys with a tight budget on a 7/8ths scale. Never was able to own one, but admired them, and their later innovative 3rd "half door" to make access to the rear easier. Saturn deserves a series I think, made some real innovations when GM could still afford to experiment, and I was sad to seem them go away before I was able to join the "cult" of Saturn that Gm created, with its annual customer picnics, unique dealership structure, etc. I really thought GM was reinventing both the car and sales experience, and I think, it was in fact better! If Saturn had been allowed to grow and mature like Kia, Hyundai have, imagine what great cars they would be building today. Thanks again for your rare photos and info and thoughtful insights!
@jeffaulik3980
@jeffaulik3980 3 ай бұрын
I think a parallel to this at Ford could be the Probe GT.
@bradzimmerman3171
@bradzimmerman3171 3 ай бұрын
The Probe looked a lot better-definitely a better car
@gm12551
@gm12551 3 ай бұрын
Front lights remind me of an early Saturn coupe and bonus points for the Chevy APV wheels shared later with Beretta.
@kurtcounty8703
@kurtcounty8703 3 ай бұрын
Good eye but they stole body from mitsubishi.
@alitheretrokid
@alitheretrokid 3 ай бұрын
Reminds me a lot of the 2nd gen eagle talon, especially the sail panels and backlight.
@JoeJaf
@JoeJaf 2 ай бұрын
Who else noticed the bearded man wearing sunglasses in the forward facing 1988 GTO ?😂😂😂
@zuzutheinfectedelf
@zuzutheinfectedelf 3 ай бұрын
I've never seen that one before, would've made a nice second gen Fiero
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 ай бұрын
Video request please. I would like to know what your most favorite GM production automobile ever is and also the one GM production automobile that you have no love for whatsoever. Honestly I'd like if you did it for cars, trucks, and vans separately, but I dont want to ask too much of anyone.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 ай бұрын
Or maybe just do cars, but one loved and hated from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
@RevengeofGothzilla
@RevengeofGothzilla 3 ай бұрын
A lot of that '88 GTO concept went into the 1995 -1999 Buick Riviera. The greenhouse, tail lights and hood/front end shape especially.
@markbrow252
@markbrow252 3 ай бұрын
Adam another extremely interesting segment! I like the concept car, but, what about making it more of a mid-engine design and carry more of the sheet metal to create the rear window area shape? You remember the the exploding glass problem on the Camaros? This glass shape is an accident waiting to happen……
@rickbledsoe5064
@rickbledsoe5064 3 ай бұрын
The tan Granville in your video is nice.
@vintagemotelguest
@vintagemotelguest 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, Adam, for introducing us all to a GTO I for one at least had never heard of. Interesting that it probably could have made the show car circuit but Pontiac did not choose that for this design study. The "Talon" comment from Canadian Guy is certainly right and also a bit of the Saturn Coupe, but in general the upper very much reminds of the upcoming 4th-Gen F-bodies, specifically Camaro's all-tinted-appearing canopy, with a bit of the Firebird's non-Trans Am nose. Regarding the side-sculpturing, I've always thought that employing that lower-center coke-bottle-emphasizing sculpture on the production Firebird -- taken almost directly from the purple 1992 Corvette Stingray III concept, btw -- really added some surface excitement to that car, and I love looking at mine, even with the ten feet of front overhang that the Corvette concept avoids completely. Interesting that you can always tell a RWD car from FWD, even when the F-bodies design moved a bit cab-forward.
@vintagemotelguest
@vintagemotelguest 3 ай бұрын
Yes ----- I am replying to my own comment but I cannot stop saying it! Stingray III, Stingray III, Stingray III: the concept that could have and should have guided BOTH the Corvette and Camaro design programs into gorgeous and affordable genuine sports/GT cars!
@bryanashmus418
@bryanashmus418 3 ай бұрын
Adam - I tend to agree with you that this likely would have bombed in the sales department....what's interesting to my eye is this 1988 concept gives the feel of what became the 1993 F-Body cars, the angular openings in the front, corner wrap around taillights, outside rear view mirror cut....also the 1999 concept, which I do remember seeing, sems to push some of the the most recent Camaro re-introduction what about a dozen years ago, especially in that rear quarter panel and the angular appearance on the front of the car.
@PaulAngileri
@PaulAngileri 3 ай бұрын
The wheels from the last concept were realized on the Beretta Z26.
@corgiowner436
@corgiowner436 3 ай бұрын
If you told me that was a Firebird design study I’d believe it.
@AlexanderCrump
@AlexanderCrump 3 ай бұрын
5:15 Interesting that the 1988 GTO prototype was left-hand drive but the wiper setup was for a right-hand drive vehicle (at least as far as conventional wiper designs go - sweeping towards the driver).
@autochatter
@autochatter 3 ай бұрын
Looks like a Banshee concept had a baby with a 89 Mitsubishi Eclipse.
@blessedjuggernaut
@blessedjuggernaut 2 ай бұрын
You can't change the past but imagine if modern day Buick and Cadillac started making their own versions of the Corvette and Camaro. This would be cool, and it would give luxury car brands a run for their money. This would also put a spin on the new mid-engine Corvette and possibly turn potential Ferrari and Lambo buyers.
@billnorris3305
@billnorris3305 3 ай бұрын
I remember reading about this car back in 1988. I think it was supposed to be powered by a quad 4
@kevinjokipii4260
@kevinjokipii4260 3 ай бұрын
It looks like a blending of the gen 4 F body and the Buick Wildcat 1985 show car
@waynegood9233
@waynegood9233 2 ай бұрын
I had a 1964 Pontiac Lemans and a 1967 GTO plus a 1973 Grand AM 455 ( Euro GTO )
@jefferysmith3930
@jefferysmith3930 3 ай бұрын
This concept car was very much of its time.The wheels look like a much more outlandish version or the wheels used on the Beretta Z26.
@lordterra1377
@lordterra1377 3 ай бұрын
I actually like it, still has some of that firebird flair but looks more modern. Wish they could have kept the wing/tail flair though.
@stevenwolff6866
@stevenwolff6866 3 ай бұрын
Would've been nice to see the interior of this vehicle but an interesting video nonetheless as most of yours are
@jetsons101
@jetsons101 3 ай бұрын
Think of the mess if the back window "broke/shattered" on the 1988 GTO concept car.
@robertdragoff6909
@robertdragoff6909 3 ай бұрын
If the GTO was a package for the Tempest, why not a package for the Firebird? I know, I know , it wouldn’t be the same, but that car was the last rear wheel drive platform, so repackaging it wouldn’t be a problem…. The only other car that could get a GTO package would be the Grand Prix, and maybe with some tweaking it might worked….. But it’s too late since Pontiac is no more.
@JacobPaul-ix7oc
@JacobPaul-ix7oc 3 ай бұрын
It should have been a package for the Grand Prix, in my opinion. Why make yet another option for the Firebird when you have the base, Formula and Trans-Am? Another option would have been to make it a package for the G6 coupe and convertible, which are both nice looking cars in my opinion. (The sedan not so much.) It's sad the G6 coupe was downgraded so much from its initial concept that had a supercharged 3.5 V6 pushing 285 hp and 272 ft lb torque.
@pattschetter
@pattschetter 3 ай бұрын
I like the orange concept, but I'm on record as liking my 2005 Dodge Dakota that also had some boogie to it. I agree with everyone getting Stealth/3000, Eclipse/Talon and 4th-gen F-body vibes from the yellow concept. If they'd produced the yellow car it'd probably have been on my list of possibilities for my first new-ish and not-a-hand-me-down car in ~1998.
@whitsundaydreaming
@whitsundaydreaming 3 ай бұрын
It looks best from behind, like some of us. I’m loving the faux graffiti on that wall shot… the GTO is so *street*. Go ONTIA!
@kennethbode2017
@kennethbode2017 3 ай бұрын
looks like a monte carlo from the front and a later transam from the rear
@raymond_sycamore
@raymond_sycamore 2 ай бұрын
I REALLY like the 1988 GTO!
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 3 ай бұрын
8:23 that rear glass hatch is terrifying. That's gotta weigh at least 150lbs.
@stevekeith4914
@stevekeith4914 3 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a Geo Storm more than anything.
@TalismanPHX
@TalismanPHX 3 ай бұрын
Looks like an overinflated Sunfire coupe to me. A GTO needs retro styling and RWD!!
@timbullough3513
@timbullough3513 3 ай бұрын
The modern GTO was famously panned as looking like a lozenge when it was new.
@rosschamberlain1823
@rosschamberlain1823 3 ай бұрын
Looks like a plus size Geo Storm, at least from the front 3/4 view. The back 3/4 view is best methinks.
@joesinkovits6591
@joesinkovits6591 3 ай бұрын
The 1988 GTO concept looks more like a Firebird, but the FWD drivetrain would instantly have turned off the very enthusiasts for whom the car was intended.
@clover831
@clover831 3 ай бұрын
I liked the '99 GTO concept. If they designed the GTO similar to the '99 concept they would have sold a ton. That would have the badest car to own in '99.😎
@alexanderspenser4960
@alexanderspenser4960 3 ай бұрын
I'm trying to remember where I saw the yellow GTO concept to which there was a Monte Carlo and ElCamino concept styled very similarly. I have pictures of them from the 1989? NAIAS. I always believed the lines on the yellow GTO here being less aggressive lines of the Banshee, influenced the final gen Firebird. Also took pictures of the orange GTO at the NAIAS and PghAutoShow. I thought the orange GTO was, ugly. The wheels made it to the Chevy Beretta Z24 & UTZ. Production? Yes, worthy to be a Firebird.👍🏾🇺🇸🏁
@rager1969
@rager1969 3 ай бұрын
That 1999 GTO concept looks like what would become the 2010 Camaro. The 1988 GTO concept looks what would become the 1993 Firebird.
@sietafak
@sietafak 3 ай бұрын
I like the Beretta style wheels.
@howebrad4601
@howebrad4601 3 ай бұрын
To me they missed the boat not sticking with a slightly smaller sporty car to compete with celica, 240sx, dodge stealth, talon, eclipse size and style. I think thats what was wrong with the last camaro in that it was just too big, tall, heavy looking. This yellow car really reminds me of an eclipse, and some features made it to production, such as the beretta wheels, mid 90s firebird fascia. Great video as always. Sure miss cars that had some style and theme, instead of the chunky blob stying of 90 percent of current crossovers. Oh and color too!!! Labelling it GTO would have been big mistake. Why always look backwards for inspiration, more forward would be better. True gto would be a grand am with supercharged 3800
@jonhamilton5789
@jonhamilton5789 3 ай бұрын
You can see where the 4th Gen. Firebirds/Camaros came from.
@kc0lif
@kc0lif 3 ай бұрын
need to bring back 1974 styled gto.
@terrypikaart4394
@terrypikaart4394 3 ай бұрын
I think a version of those alum rims made it to production. Yes Beretta
@rpsmith2990
@rpsmith2990 3 ай бұрын
If they could have built this, I'd have bought it, if they named it something else. GM at the time was completely incapable of getting as close to their concept cars as Chrysler was. A good example would be how the '93 Monte Carlo concept became the '96 production Monte Carlo. It had a few design elements of the concept, like the full width panel for the tail lights, but it was heavily watered down. If they did that to this concept, and sold it as a GTO, it would have been a travesty and to many, a heresy. GM at the time count not have built this exact car if their lives depended on it. I had forgotten about this, thanks for bringing it to me light again.
@Slowgroovin
@Slowgroovin 3 ай бұрын
Not sure about the GTO, but the proposed 1990 V8 Fiero would've been great.
@AtomicBuffalo
@AtomicBuffalo 3 ай бұрын
So was the thinking that this GTO would replace the two-door Grand Am when that model was upsized in 1992, a la Beretta/Corsica? Or was it thought to stand apart as something sportier-yet or just differently styled than the Grand Am GT? Or were they still considering holding the Grand Am to its smaller size in the next gen? Or was this just a styling diversion, or trial balloon to gauge the future utility of the GTO name?
@domenicogaldo6065
@domenicogaldo6065 3 ай бұрын
I love this design; maybe GM could have produced it thru another of it´s other divisions if it wasn´t to the taste of Pontiacistas.
@tocsa120ls
@tocsa120ls 3 ай бұрын
The orange one is too 'out there' but the yellow one should've been made with a minimal tone-down.
@johnnymason2460
@johnnymason2460 3 ай бұрын
This looks like what the 1993 Firebird eventually became. No one was going to accept this as a GTO. Certainly not a FWD GTO.
@19chucki74
@19chucki74 3 ай бұрын
With you mentioning that it was designed on the same platform as the Beretta, this concept study would have NOT been a legitimate GTO. Maybe the moniker 2+2 would have worked, but not GTO. And I sincerely hope that GM is considering, or probably in the process of, bring back Pontiac, as it's performance brand. It didn't deserve being axed over 15 years ago.
@bitrage.
@bitrage. 3 ай бұрын
The 88 concept gto looks very similar to the 91 dodge stealth (3000gt underpinnings)
@ottopartz1
@ottopartz1 3 ай бұрын
It looks like a big brother of the Saturn line from that era. Plus knowing GM the top motor would have been the series II 3.8 or maybe if we were super lucky a 3.8 with the Eaton supercharger. Most would have probably gotten the 2.8. FI. I really don't think that GM would have done the GTO name justice during that period.
@manoahvanderwolf3259
@manoahvanderwolf3259 3 ай бұрын
never saw this before, interestingly enough. i don't dislike it though, but it doesn't breathe Pontiac GTO. somehow, it breathes oldsmobile, saturn or buick. it might lean a bit towards Buick Riviera, but not really. I loved the orange GTO concept, i wish they did something proper with it, same goes for the Pontiac G8 GXP, which with a little proper body work from an italian design firm or BMW design firm could have been restyled to look more like a proper GTO, as long as it also had the motor to lean into.
@928gto
@928gto 3 ай бұрын
The G8 had more gutsty looking platform and body styling for a new fangled GTO...went further visually, even though what/how would PMD make a new age GTO more distinctive and not upstage GMs precious 🙄 corvette?
@guitarhole
@guitarhole 3 ай бұрын
It looks like the late 90's early 2000's Trans Am.
@kevindalton2285
@kevindalton2285 3 ай бұрын
second gen DSM vibes....especially the unloved EAGLE TALON
@tosil
@tosil 3 ай бұрын
So that’s where the Berreta rims came from
@haggis525
@haggis525 3 ай бұрын
That 88 GTO is actually a 95 firebird.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 3 ай бұрын
If the 326 fit the 389 would fit easily. Same basic cylinder block for all Pontiac V_8s
@yourfriend9048
@yourfriend9048 3 ай бұрын
i think this car would have been viable if it had any other model name than GTO.
@pdub9925
@pdub9925 3 ай бұрын
It took the engineers 30 years to figure out how to bring the hp numbers back to the same as the late 60s early 70s numbers and still get good emissions and mpg.
@I-Libertine
@I-Libertine 3 ай бұрын
I want a Canadian Pontiac. 😭
@G-regular503
@G-regular503 3 ай бұрын
Yall remember the mid 80's 442??
@gavinmclaren9416
@gavinmclaren9416 3 ай бұрын
The 442 was a G-body. A GTO on this body would have had some good street cred except that by that time Pontiac no longer produced a V8 engine. A GTO with a Chevy small block (like the Monte Carlo SS) would probably have been a hard sell to the Pontiac fans.
@michaelbrown5601
@michaelbrown5601 3 ай бұрын
This concept closely resembles the Mitsubishi GTO/Dodge Stealth which was in the pipeline in 1988. I don’t think the concept would’ve worked well with impact bumpers and other MVSA requirements, given its amorphous nature. Glad the wheels made it through, however 😊
@ArgentPure
@ArgentPure 3 ай бұрын
They made a hot wheels of this!
@videoviewer2008
@videoviewer2008 3 ай бұрын
The 2000's GTO was cooler than it got credit for. I think the wheel choice really let it down.
@solemandd67
@solemandd67 3 ай бұрын
This GTO concept looks like a Chevy Baretta instead of a potential Pontiac GTO. The sex appeal is missing, IMHO. '64,'67 and '69's are my favorite years. ❤🚗👍🏾
@leewaken5059
@leewaken5059 3 ай бұрын
I think both concepts looked like Camaros/Firebirds.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 3 ай бұрын
Adam, If they wanted to get this Pontiac design approved for production in 1988, they should have slapped on 20 yards of plastic CLADDING!! On a side note, the letters c and h cannot actually be found in the middle of the word VenTura. Many of us have been pronouncing it the wrong way. 😉
@danscott3880
@danscott3880 3 ай бұрын
Where's the Ribs??
@SeaTravelr123
@SeaTravelr123 3 ай бұрын
Wow. It looks like the love child of a Firebird and a Saturn it’s a nice thought but doesn’t have ANY connection to the older cars. 🤔. Better left on the cutting room floor
@michaelpiccolo4050
@michaelpiccolo4050 3 ай бұрын
Were they trying to compete with the Ford Probe?
@Kizzle001
@Kizzle001 3 ай бұрын
Is this a GM80 prototype? When GM wanted to kill the F body as rwd.
@seththomas9105
@seththomas9105 3 ай бұрын
Well, we can see where the 93 F-bodies came from.
@DaisyLynn-xm1pl
@DaisyLynn-xm1pl 3 ай бұрын
If it was produced with a name that was not GTO on it, it probably would have sold ok.
@portsboy1
@portsboy1 3 ай бұрын
Very 90s camaro firebird ish styling.
@tonychasey7990
@tonychasey7990 3 ай бұрын
Looks a lot like the dodge stealth
@vicarod
@vicarod 3 ай бұрын
Did John Cafaro design this? It looks like a 4th gen F-body...
@rickbledsoe5064
@rickbledsoe5064 3 ай бұрын
The yellow concept GTO in my opinion does not remind me of a muscle car. GTO means muscle car American.
@ohnoohyeah3205
@ohnoohyeah3205 3 ай бұрын
Lol, nice Beretta rims!
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