The Frightening: English Electric Lightning Story

[@johndavid5618]

I saw the lightening at thunder city in Cape town it was just awsome display of pure roar power that you can never forget. ❤️ Best of British. 🇬🇧

[@danielbronks4234]

I saw the lightening fly a few times in the 70’s. From a standing start it could be at 20,000ft in 30 seconds, the power of this beast was insane. The engines on reheat were like an artillery barrage, concussive vibrations, you could feel them from hundreds of yards.

[@russpaxman3660]

My dad took me to the Farnborough air show a couple of times in the 1960’s The stars of the shows were the V bombers ( Victor, Valiant and Vulcan ) and the English Electric Lighting. The Lighting would come barrelling from afar up the runway in level flight at breakneck speed, then point its nose to the heavens and turn on its afterburners, the raw power was breathtaking, as you not only heard the almighty deafening thunder of its engines, but felt it deep in your chest and through the ground in your feet. 60 years later I still recall it with awe.

[@spudgun3982]

you are very lucky

[@MENSA.lady2]

Until the pilot overdid it and hit about Mach 1.1 over Farnborough town. Cost the MOD a fortune replacing shattered windows.

[@gordonfrickers5592]

A Lightning pilot famously said "the wings are only there to keep the navigation lights apart". This marvellous jet could catch the Concord and proved the invincible U2 Spy planes could be 'got at'. At RAF Biggin Hill air shows, when a child I remember seeing the Lightning. We saw the Lightning coming 'on the deck' then about 250 yards from the crowds turning to vertical and switching on after burners. I'll never forget the tremendous roar, the double orange glow and the sheer speed the thing disappeared aloft in its vertical climb, awesome, breath-taking.

[@enforcer-e1s]

Lightning was the only fighter that could catch Concorde. It had to be early in its attack though as it soon ran out of fuel and Concorde could stay airborne at Mach 2 for hours. Apparently the USAF are partially to blame for the demise of Concorde as their fighters couldn't catch it so this is one reason it no longer flies. Not just sour grapes, but fear!

[@aderynmawr]

A story that my Dad (often) likes to tell is of when they were having a bit of an impromptu (and extremely unofficial) private air show. Apparently I was about 18 months old in my pushchair and Dad was talking to someone, when my Mum interrupted him saying “I think there’s something wrong with that Lightening Keith, it’s not making any noise.” He saw it approaching and spun around, clapping his hands over my ears - just in time for the BANG and all the windows went from the hangars. I’d kill for an experience like that now 😂

[@alanwayte432]

My Father flew these, he said he had taken it to 68.000 ft, and for first 20 flights he was always trying to catch up on a scramble launch, he flew A number of types from Vampire, Hunter, Phantoms on exchange he flew then new F15 which had better technology but was not as fast as his Lightning which was a particularly quick Bird in his words, he died a happy fulfilled man in 2012

[@atrxmx2542]

my grandad passed in june, never had the honour of flying the f15s but flew the phantoms and was group captain of squadron 333. He always loved his time in the lightning, told so many fond stories, it sounded like he was talking about an old friend. Truly an incredible aircraft, and the men who flew them had bigger balls than anyone else on earth.

[@thomaslake2946]

F15 and lighting same speed

[@MARTIN-bd7gm]

@@thomaslake2946 Only on paper not in REAL life lol .

[@James-nl6fu]

Built by a country with an aviation industry and an identity. It doesn't exist anymore. Cheers!❤️

[@andrewbrown2249]

If you’ve never seen one of these pull up on full burner from the deck to the heavens like a homesick angel, you have not truly lived.

[@misterfischer2177]

One of my favourite planes. I was fortunate enough to see one in action at an airshow many years ago. The way it went into a vertical climb and just went up at an unbelievable rate was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.

[@Bulletguy07]

Having witnessed exactly that at airshows I'll second that as I was about to say the very same thing!!

[@timofthomas]

I was lucky enough not only to see one, but to sit in one in the 1970s at an RAF airshow as a toddler - I can still remember that day. Between sitting in the Lightning, a Red Arrows Folland Gnat and the Sepecat Jaguar I was one very happy small boy!

[@dwiggi3rd504]

The most impressive thing I have ever seen at any air show was in 1973 at Portland, Dorset when a Vulcan Bomber came in from the sea from across the horizon then as it passed over the pier it turned into the sky with a mighty roar from the engines and climbed almost vertically into the sky.

[@dwiggi3rd504]

The Lightning was my favourite plane and was my very first Air-fix model back in 1962. Only ever saw a lightning flying when I was Taxiing in Saudi Arabia and a Pair of them took off at the airport.

[@thepetlamb]

​@@dwiggi3rd504My Dad was in the RAF during the war, and regularly took us to airshows in the '70s, where I was lucky enough to witness the spectacle (and roar!) of both Lightnings and Vulcans. There can't be many planes more impressive to a small boy than a Vulcan, with it's futuristic delta wing design and apocalyptic, thunderous roar.. 😮

[@markjlewis]

I remember seeing one at an airshow at RAF St.Anthan in South Wales many years ago. At the end of the show when aircraft were departing the Lightning took off and did a wide circuit of the runway. It came back in at low level, the pilot opened the throttles and pulled back on the stick. The aircraft went vertical in a virtually cloudless sky, I watched it until it disappeared from sight. what a magnificent aircraft. I can't remember the year but it must have been in the last year or so of its service life. Probably around 1987 or 1988.

[@msmrepo3271]

I grew up in the air force. I would spend all day on the roof of our building in Luqa Malta right opposite the airfield, I would tune a radio in to listen to the (can't remember if it was the pilot or ATC, you could only pick up one) loved the lighting, loved watching it go vertical after take off. The Canberras used to tow targets for them

[@michaelstewart8676]

I was lucky enough to witness 2 Lightnings taking off side by side at night and using afterburners at RAF Binbrook in the 80's. We were operating a couple of RN Seakings from one of the QRA hangers as part of an exercise out in the north sea. The QRA hanger was at the end of the runway so we watched the aircraft take off travelling away from us down the runway. One of the most impressive sights I have ever seen

[@cornellkirk8946]

I bet that was a hell of a sight and sound!

[@Swaggerlot]

The passing out display of a Lightning OCU course at RAF Coltishall viewed from the tower balcony was a sight/sound to behold.

[@internetpolification]

I worked there in 1981. In the officers’ mess kitchen

[@anthonyeaton5153]

Does the Lightning frighten the Russians or the blokes who fly them.

[@Swaggerlot]

@@internetpolification Previous decade in my case. Have a fond regard for the place.

[@robertwoolstencroft5946]

I always loved the lightening, I remember them being lined up at FAR gutesloh in Germany ready for action.When I went home on leave ,about 1973/4 looking very smart

[@davidbarton7463]

What a time in history and privilege to see these daily during my service at RAF Binbrook during this aircrafts final two years in the mid 80's.

[@phil_nicholls]

I was lucky enough to get two rides in a T5 with 5 sqdn from Binbrook. Rather than clutter up the comments here, the whole story is over in the comments section of Mark Felton's KZbin Lightning video. I'll just say, it was one of the best days of my life! 👍

[@lordglencoe2194]

Fascinating and interesting account. Apart from one error. The Chief Engineer on Lightning was Freddie Page (later Sir Frederick Page when he became chairman of British Aerospace. Freddie also worked on the Canberra designing the undercarriage with only a slide rule. Got it right first time. He then did a lot of work on TSR2 and Concorde. I know this because he told me himself. He was my father in law. Wonderful and brilliant man, modest to a fault. Also a double first from Cambridge. RAF Leuchars had them in the 70's and when they were scrambled in pairs, the Physics library of St. Andrews University where I was studying for my degree literally shook.

[@jaywalker3087]

I got paid to play with these at Binbrook. It had been my favourite plane since seeing it at the 1964 Farnborough airshow... Happy days 🎉

[@Starfishcentral]

My father was stationed at RAF Binbrook in the mid 1970's. He worked in supply sqn.

[@steve20001]

One of the most under-appreciated jets of that era.

[@johnparker4538]

I spent a week at RAF Binbrook in the seventies so was privileged to get up close to these amazing planes and watch them taking off.

[@steve20001]

Nice

[@davidpeters6536]

The lightning has been No.1 in my opinion since I marvelled at them as a small boy at the Middleton St. George RAF Air Pageant in the very early 1960s. An amazing plane that did it's job so well, with the Red Top, it never had to fire in anger.

[@emty9668]

As a child I would see the Lightning taking off at RAF Gutersloh, I also remember looking out of my bedroom window when it was getting dark and watching Phantoms take off with their afterburners on at RAF Laarbruch but my favourite was always the groups of three Vulcans taking off at RAF Scampton and feeling the ground vibrate.

[@skg8268]

This is my favourite aircraft. And I worked in the hangar where they were built for thirty years. A truly British aircraft, a delight to to see and hear. I have many great memories of this aircraft and the Cambera while I worked on Tornado and the Typhoon at Samlesbury in Lancashire.

[@geoffparrott7397]

I agree, I was at Warton in 1969 working on Jaguar and tornado, and lightning was still active.

[@roypowell3450]

As a child I use to go to watch these wonderful aircraft at Coltishall in Norfolk, absolutely fantastic the sound and those afterburners...Wonderful days!

[@kymvalleygardensdesign5350]

I always enjoyed a lightening display at airshows, usually leaving by just going straight up!

[@scopex2749]

I was lucky enough to have been serving in the RAF, during the cold war, as an aircraft fitter. I LOVED this aircraft and still believe it could hold its own today speed wise! One day 2 of us were on VAS duty at our base (visiting aircraft) so were told a Lightning was due in for 'juice' (fuel) so we wandered out to meet the bowser and sure enough a while later it came in. It stopped the pilot got out and we had a chat and asked if he could give us a 'beat up' when he left - he replied telling us sorry fuel is very critical. So sadly we sent him of but we watched his rotate and he stood it on its tail and lit the burners. OMG that could climb! In seconds we wouldnt see it (probably up around 40,000 feet) and we heard him depart (or so we thought)😟 Anyway we were walking back in across dispersal and we could hear 'a jet' somewhere. My oppo said to me " im getting a prickly feeling in my neck somethings not right" 🤔we stopped and looked around seeing a dot approaching across the empty dispersals VERY LOW. We looked at each other and dived flat on the concrete as the Lighting came SCORCHING over us ( looked like he was about 10 feet off the deck!!)😮 He pulled up and circled back waggling his wings as he headed back in the direction of Binbrook! NEVER FORGOT THAT DAY if only mobile phones had been around THANK YOU Flt Lt ...........! YOU KNOW who you are👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏 Those were the days when they could 'get away' with impromptu burn ups🤣😂🤣😅 Many years later I had saved up to go to SA to Thunder City and fly in the 2 seater 'T bird'. Sadly she crashed due to a fuel fire and the plane and the pilot - Dave Stock were lost, when his ejection seat failed - he flew the aircraft AWAY from population. RIP Dave and 'High Flight' "Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings" A brave and superb pilot to the very end.

[@petegarnett7731]

As it was designed as an interceptor, it's main feature was it could climb vertically at supersonic speeds.

[@jimsimpson1006]

To 40,000 ft in under a minute. I remember that bit of info from the Airfix kit I made. 😊

[@anzaca1]

And successfully intercepted both Concorde and the U-2.

[@lloydevans2900]

It was certainly capable of supersonic speeds in level flight, but the vertical climb was not supersonic. It was fast for sure - the reported rate of climb was 20,000 ft per minute, which is about 230 mph. So even if it was capable of double that rate of climb (as the airfix kit apparently suggested), that would be around 460 mph. An impressive rate of climb to be sure, but nowhere near supersonic, since the speed of sound is more like 770 mph.

[@sichere]

@@lloydevans2900 The EEL could get to 30,000 ft in 90 seconds from brakes off and could climb 15,000 ft in a 5G turn @ a constant 450 knots. In a zoom climb the EEL was capable of 50,000 ft/ min. It was faster and quicker than the first operational F15's.

[@sichere]

It was not designed as an interceptor but filled the criteria perfectly the Ministry of Supply issued Operational Requirement F.115 for an interceptor in 1955, some seven years after the EEL design. In 1947, The Ministry of Supply issued Specification ER.103 to English Electric, for a single research aircraft capable of flight at Mach 1.5 (1,593 km/h; 990 mph) and 50,000 ft (15,000 m). and in 1948 they expanded the scope with Specification F23/49, to include fighter-level manoeuvring. The contenders for Operational Requirement F.115 all fell to the Government axe and it left the EEL project as the only possible contender and it just so happened to be in the latter stages of development. The EEL entered operational service with the RAF as a development aircraft.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

The most comicbook/Thunderbirds looking plane Britain ever produced.. like something out of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon *Love* this aircraft ❤🇬🇧

[@thetuguar]

Your quality of production is impressive. I especially like how you include the covers of the books that were your sources. Really looking forward for your future content

[@colvinator1611]

Great account of British aviation history. Thanks a lot.

[@alanrobertson7762]

The radar was called the AI 23, standing for Airborne Interceptor. The gunsight was the Pilot Attack Sight or PAS. The radar was controlled by a complex throttle handle covered in switches and knobs of differing shapes and textures. Development of the system was carried out at the Ferranti Flying Unit at RAF Turnhouse, Edinburgh, using two modified Canberras and a flying DC3 laboratory with the radar in the nose and the PAS mounted in the rear cabin and looking forward via an optical periscope

[@bobdylan7120]

It was the AI23B and was upgraded to the AI23C standard in the mid 70's. The C standard introduced Track-While-Scan, the first interceptor to have this capability. To ensure the radar worked in the high g environment the radar didn't have any soldered connections, all connections were made by tightly wrapping the wire around gold plated pins. The radar controller you speak of controlled more than just the radar, it was an early example of what is now known as HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick).

[@brusselssprouts560]

An icon indeed. As a boy, I witnessed a supersonic low level flypast by one at RAF Biggin Hill. All I remember was the boom and the two orange dots disappearing rapidly into the distance. I now live near (ex) RAF Manston where the local museum has an ex RCAF Lightning on show, and everytime I drive past it I nod my head in awe.

[@gordonfrickers5592]

Ahhh yes, RAF Biggin Hill air shows, I too remember seeing the Lightning there just as you describe. Also coming 'on the deck' about 250 yards from the crowds then turning to vertical and switching on after burners. I'll never forget the tremendous roar, the double orange glow and the sheer speed the thing disappeared in its vertical climb, awesome, breath-taking.

[@raypurchase801]

@@gordonfrickers5592 The Greenham Common and Biggin air displays of the 70s. Con trails from F4 and Lightning wingtips during high speed passes. Harriers nodding a salute at the VIP stadium. Canberras doing low speed runs. Pitts Specials from the Rothmans team.

[@gordonfrickers5592]

@@raypurchase801 Ahh yes, those were special day, the Vulcan showing off with low level aerobatics... the replica of M. Blériot's monoplane, our house shaking as the Lancaster and B17 took off and landed, the Spitfire who's engine failed in mid aerobatic right over our garden and landed on Beckenham cricket pitch knocking off the bails just after the teams had gone in for tea and most of the men were ex RAF so very delighted with their 'extra player'...😀

[@nigelclinning2448]

It’s not ex RCAF, it’s ex 5 Squadron RAF, unit insignia is a maple leaf.

[@bobpert4030]

My brother-in-law was an SAC at Leuchars during the time of the Lightning. I remember him being very fond of that plane.

[@Trillock-hy1cf]

Very fond of the Lightning Interceptor, because when in the RAF (1961-1975) and stationed at RAF Akrotiri Cyprus (1965-67) I was a Teleg so worked in our Comms Centre in signals, which was placed right down near the runway. I (and others) used to nip outside to the fence, or climb up on the flat roof of our building and when on the night shift to watch pair of Lightnings take off on their Dawn Patrol at 06:00, and if on the evening shift we would watch the Dusk Patrol 18'00 pair take off. They would roar off down the runway in full-reheat, then shoot just about vertically into the sky to go on their patrols, and what a wonderful sight and sound of the pair disappearing into the skys, at a high rate of knots to reach their operational height.... Great stuff....and happy days back then....

[@aml1234561]

I was extremely fortunate as a very young man to be given a ride in a Lightning from RAF Wattisham with 111 Squadron. Something never to be forgotten and to this day thought of with some degree of jealousy by current RAF pilots I believe.

[@HANGER63]

Love when these go vertical 😮

[@bigdmac33]

What a superb documentary - superbly narrated and chock full of interesting and enlightening ( excuse the pun ) information. Glad that I found this gem of a channel.

[@stuartlew1229]

1983 june aprox ... i saw a lightning doing aerobatics over RAF Swinderby during a RAF basic training pass out to se a aircraft drifting and going vertical 40 yrs later i still remember the flight

[@simon-oy6um]

I remember them at RAF leconfeild when i was at camp in 1963 ,we all had a great time 😊😊

[@balikolaci1]

Great video! I really admire "first 2 Mach" fighters of the era... Lightning, Mirage III, Mig-21, Saab Draken and F-104 all flew as proto around 1955, all started as interceptors and turned to multirole... but the strangest thing, all had comparable performance data from very different aerodynamic concepts.

[@emjackson2289]

Its odd when you read the list & one thinks that the Mirage III is still in limited service, as is the MiG21 FISHBED. The F104 was used until the early-2000s. The Draken, about the same time (or late-90s anyway). The RAF replaced their Lightning's in 1988 & we've already used and retired our Tornado F3's. For all the good they were, could we have gone the Japanese route and simply bought F104's and F4's then progressed to F15's (or earlier on, part-cooperated with the Mirage - or similar)? Who knows because politics clearly did play a part as did keeping jobs in the UK in the post-war period, which is to say, full-employment, as far as possible, rather than merely building the wings etc. etc. as per Airbus UK. The one I'd have loved to see the RAF purchase would have been the Saab AJ/JA Viggen.

[@johnearle1]

The Draken was a hot ship. The double delta wing gave great lift but was prone to a super stall if the angle of attack was too high. Quite a lifespan though. They flew almost as long as the Viggen, its replacement.

[@QatarVegan]

Really good point!

[@johnearle1]

@@emjackson2289 They tried to sell it to India, but due to the fact that the engine was basically a Volvo adaptation of an American engine, the US vetoed the sale.

[@calmingmeditation8310]

I was based at RAF Binbrook from 1985 till 1988, what memories I have of this time - I was also on attachment in Cyprus, Akrotiri when one crashed in a village near the airfield

[@andyc9187]

I was there too! That was the last APC I believe.

[@jonathanscott7372]

My father, still living, was a Lightning technician, and always described the plane as jet engines with a jockey on top.

[@seanjoseph8637]

My Dad was A Canberra fairey and described the Lightning as, Jesus suffering fuck what was that! I just shit my undies, I'm paraphrasing of course.

[@telhudson863]

I heard the description, "Two Avons hotly pursued by a tailplane."

[@Starfishcentral]

The Lightning Aircraft was stationed at RAF Binbrook in 1975 or 1976 when I was a 5 or 6 year old. My dad used to joke when I was naughty to go and play on the runway. One day he got a phone call from the Military Police saying that I had been picked up near to the runway watching Lightnings taxi by and take off. I had a plastic bowl, a butter knife and some plasticine. Funnily enough after that day my dad never said that I should go and play on the runway! 🤣

[@jimbateman9]

I was lucky enough to see the lightening at Farnborough air shows in the early 60's and remember its fantastic rate of climb and the noise

[@christycullen2355]

I can't believe you only have 991 subs. I thought this was produced by a massive channel. Got my subscription for sure

[@markharlock6474]

@@craig4867 What a strange comment...!! Go elsewhere Craig...

[@1234gibso]

I was an air cadet and saw two lighting,s fly down the runway faster than sound, amazing to see such an aircraft zoom past us in total silence, amazing

[@chrisst8922]

I remember them doing circuits and bumps at Manston in the 70's. You knew what it was because of the two engine nozzles, one above the other. I also remember fast taxi runs at Bruntingthorpe.

[@SimonAmazingClarke]

Incredible aircraft. I never got to work on it during my time in the RAF, although I did work with guys who did. Moving into Aircraft Design I worked at Samlesbury for a bit where EE was based in the 50s.

[@davidrobinson4553]

How does the Lightning stack up? I'm also a relic from that era, it is my favourite plane. I remember visiting the Tactical Weapons Conversion Unit as the Lightning was being phased out and the Tornado was being brought in, interesting times and interesting opinions were voiced on comparable capabilities. Imho the Lightning was a tool for a situation that is perhaps again becoming a relivent problem for today's UK Air Defence, such as it is of course. 🇬🇧

[@nekite1]

A plane which could go faster than Concorde and fly higher than the American U 2 spyplane.

[@hammersandnails1458]

U2 service ceiling was 80,000 feet. Lightning was 60,000.

[@Dave-us5fq]

@@hammersandnails1458 look up the story of XR749… Intercepted a U2 on multiple occasions.

[@nekite1]

@@Dave-us5fq Thank you for verifying my statement ... Mark Felton's KZbin clip about that is where I got my facts from.

[@paullakin7777]

There is also an unconfirmed story that the Americans sent pics to the MOD of our airfields taken by a U2. We promptly sent them back a pic of their U2, taken from above by a Vulcan!

[@soladsani]

@@paullakin7777 love it! 🇬🇧✌

[@sameebah]

When these were first introduced my father was RAF Regiment "crash crew". The crash crew teams asked about the cockpit layout, ejector seats and other details, and were told "that's all secret, we can't tell you". The response was to inform the MOD that should one have an 'unfortunate landing", then the crash crew teams would not go in to rescue the pilot. They would limit themselves to spraying the aircraft. It wasn't too long before they were given the details they needed.

[@uingaeoc3905]

One fact missed here was that the lightning was the first to be able to 'Supercruise' ie go at Mach1.+ without reheat.

[@888ssss]

i was in the raf and only public schoolboys could fly this. for regular pilots we had the buck and the javelin. they did this to make sure all radio communications were in posh accents. this is why i left the raf in 1968

[@CrowPal]

I did wonder about that.

[@willfoster2635]

The Lightning. I love this aircraft. I was in the RAF and one took part in my Flight's Fly Past. Per Ardua Ad Astra.

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

Used to watch them flying from Samlesbury in Lancashire when I was about 10 living in Blackburn. There is still one on a pedestal next to the A59 at the back of the factory.

[@fredericksaxton3991]

Excellent video, Thank you.

[@exbritishforcespatriotscha7723]

I remember the Lightening when in the RAF in the 80s.I was on Harrier Gr3s in Germany and LTF used to come to our Squadron at Gutersloh.

[@grahamlait1969]

I recently saw one of these again close up at the Scottish museum of flight. I'd seen them in flight when I was a kid and found them really impressive then, but now.... they're terrifying. The Lightning looks as if they just strapped some poor sod on top of two enormous engines with a couple of rockets stuck under a couple of stubby wings and... there you go, pal, let's see what you can make of that! You'd have had to be completely insane just to get into the cockpit, let alone try to fly it. The most remarkable thing about them was that they worked incredibly well. It was, without doubt, the best short range fast interceptor jet in the world for over a decade and if Western European countries had had any real independence in the matter they'd all have taken it. Instead they took the American Starfighter. The poor Germans took over 900 Starfighters and a third of them crashed. No wonder it was called the 'Widowmaker'. The USAF axed their own Starfighters just as quickly as they could. The Europeans and the Canadians were stuck with it. They'd all have been better off with the Lightning.

[@vumba1331]

Evidently there was a lot of politics and financial skull duggery associated with the Starfighter in Europe. Always nice to have one of your so-called 'allies' shaft you in your aircraft development, TSR2 and the Miles being prime examples not to mention the nicking of England's proprietary developments such as the stabilator.

[@dwiggi3rd504]

@@vumba1331 The TSR2 was cancelled by the Labour party, still not sure the reasons why?

[@Happyheretic2308]

@@dwiggi3rd504they hated Britain then, and they haven’t changed.

[@CrowPal]

I'm not surprised the Starfighter crashed - the designer forgot to give it wings. It's more of a missile than it is a plane, so how can you fly that?

[@martinmiller7623]

Let alone the beautiful lines of this plane it was the best against the imminent threat.❤

[@ronjon7942]

My first view of this channel. This was really good, thank you.

[@neilbowers6956]

I'd go as far as saying that the English Electric Lightning was one of the best aircraft the RAF had in it's armory from the 60's to the 80's when it was retired.

[@peterbudd1803]

I was working for Marconi and based at an RAF staion in Norfolk in the early 70's. We met a number of Lightning air crew and they told stories of how the pilots loved to fly over the US airforce bases as the american Phantoms were taking off , put the afterburners on and just dissapear straight up. One of my colleagues managed to get a flight in a two seater Lightning.

[@seanjoseph8637]

Coltishall?

[@Templeborough]

Martlesham?

[@andrewgrosset9327]

RAF Marham?

[@aml1234561]

Wattisham in Suffolk perhaps? 111 Squadron. Not sure if EE Lightnings operated out of Marham, I cannot recall.

[@mikehefford6499]

The Lightning has been admired by me since I saw one do a display at the Coventry Airport show in the late in the late 1960s.

[@evilelf5967]

i have sat in one of these,was at r.a.f.bimbrook many moons ago...20% airframe...80% engine.

[@howardsix9708]

you would have been in a 5 or 11 sqn kite..............i was very close to you...........h6

[@timgosling6189]

Minor things, but I'm afraid there are rather a lot: The 'Miles M52' shown at 3:14 is actually a Bell X-1, although the M52 is now known to have been a major influence on its design. In the mid-1950s aircraft procurement was actually overseen by the Ministry of Supply, not the Air Ministry, so that was a logical place for Petter to go. The photo and drawing of the 'P1A' at 3:50 is actually a production Lightning with a 60 degree wing and over-wing aux tanks; the P1A also of course also had no nose radome. In fact the 40 degree wing was only present in the initial P1 plans and the prototype P1A and B (WG760, WG763) were both built with a 60 degree wing. No actual P1 airframes were constructed before these. The P1B photo at 5:15 is actually XA847, which I see you later label correctly at 5:40. XG337 was a production F1. It was one of the P1As (WG760) that went supersonic on its first flight on 4 Aug 54 but this was not immediately noted due to errors in the instrumentation. The 'position error' wasn't the position of the aircraft but arose from the location of the sensors on the airframe and the influence of local airflow and pressure. Once the corrections had been made the first flight was found to have exceeded Mach1 and similar corrections were applied from then on. The first P1B flew in April '57. 'Fairey' is pronounced 'Fairy' as in children's stories. It was the P1A that was subject to a limit of Mach 1.51 due to directional stability concerns. The P1B was designed to address those issues and was duly flown to Mach 2.0 on 25 Nov 58. P1B development preceeded knowledge of the Tu22. The Javelin carried Firestreak IR-guided missiles with a rear aspect only capability. But the Red Top missile eventually fitted to Lightning had dubious performance which in some instances could give head-aspect only homing, and then only for supersonic targets with significant skin heating. The radar was the Ferranti Air-Intercept Type 23, aka AI 23, not 'A 123'. It is correctly labelled at 7:46 and you read out its name in full so why persist with A 123?. For a homing radar 'conical' refers to the motion of the antenna, which has a rapid spinning nutational scan. It's not the signals that are in some way conical. The HUD system did not project information onto the canopy but onto a special screen, as you show. The aerodynamic function of the intake cone is precisely to keep shock waves out of the engine! Having mentioned the need for an improved missile over the Javelin, you then credit the Lighting only with Firestreak, that same rear-aspect weapon. The larger tail fin was in fact to improve stability when the larger Red Top missiles were carried, once they became available. The RAF refer to sqns just as '74 Sqn' not 'the 74 Sqn' and a sqn is not a command, That would be 'Fighter Command'. The job of Fighter Command and the Lightning was not just to defend airfields, although these would be prime targets for a Soviet attack. To be clear, Germany did not operate the Lightning, ever. RAF Lightnings did though serve in Germany. The export versions were operated by Saudi and Kuwait. I blame Reuters for publishing an incorrect photo of the South African crash of former RAF T5 XS451 (re-registered ZU-BEX) in November 2009. The first clue is that the picture is clearly not a of Lightning, the second is that the crash occurred 10 miles from the airfield, not in front of a crowd. Nevertheless this makes it unlikely Brian Cox flew in it in 2010, even if the programme was broadcast that year. Apart from all that, it's always great to see Lightnings.

[@sichere]

And the F53 was capable of mach 3 - although very briefly.

[@nigelclinning2448]

@@sichereNo it wasn’t, it was basically an F6 with minor differences.

[@sichere]

@@nigelclinning2448 Such as weighing just over 26,000 lb and producing 40,000 ln of thrust ?

[@nigelclinning2448]

@@sichere That was the empty weight with no fuel and no armament. Even then that figure was higher 28000lb for the F3 and 31000lb for the F6. The Avon 301 produced just over 16,000lb thrust with afterburner not 20,000lb

[@sichere]

@@nigelclinning2448 F53 was fitted with RR Avon 302 r that weighed 150kg each less produced over 40,000 lb of thrust and capable of mach 3.

[@ramlifirmanco7629]

I am Indonesia. Far away from England. But, at the moment EE Lightning was famous, i use to admire this bird from my book cover. She was famous among Indonesian kids between 1976 - 1980.. I was born in 1971 btw😅

[@terrywiltshire7622]

As one Lightning pilot once said. "I was in complete control of that aircraft right up to the point I released the brakes".

[@davidmoss9244]

One of my best childhood memories two lightings few low over our house, I had clmbed to the top of the large pear tree in our garden when they flew over I felt as if I almost could have touched them! For me it will always be my favourite fighter plane

[@billyponsonby]

6:37 meaning that this IR homing missile was a tail chaser only as they all were at that time and for decades to come. The point is that Blinder was fast and would easily outrun a Javelin vectored to intercept it.

[@sichere]

The EEL could launch instant sunshine and fire missiles head on via Ground Control data link

[@geoffcrisp7225]

I saw it fly at the Farnborough Air Show in the early 60's, its rate of climb was staggering, it just went straight up.

[@Richard-b2t3t]

I was an engine fitter on Lightning’s. From 56 sqdn, RAF Akrotiri we were sent to Luqa in 1973 with 4 Lightning’s when Dom Mintoff as prime minister of Malta kicked off about the British forces in Malta. The Lightning’s were to put on a show of power. It must have worked because after two weeks we were flown back to Cyprus. As ground crew we were flown there in an Argosy & back in a C130 Hercules. Just outside the airfield perimeter, close to the pan where the Lightning’s stood & off line from the runway was a stone structure, upon which was a group of people with radios & cameras. It was a bit disturbing. At the end of a sortie, one Lightning flew off line from the runway & did a full re-heat vertical climb directly above the stone structure. Radios, cameras & bodies flew in all directions but by the time the Lightning had landed & taxied to the pan, they had all climbed back. Funny to watch tho’.

[@SoymeScaleModels]

Awesome plane, great video. Thanks

[@phillmartin6196]

I worked on lightning at bac strand road across from english electric

[@Thomas-ul6ic]

Best story involving this aircraft I ever heard was the mechanic who accidently took one for a spin when he was testing the systems. Forgot the blokes name but it's well worth looking in to.

[@ianallen8305]

What a sound they made.

[@doankhang9496]

Great video!

[@glennridsdale577]

The Lightning also pioneered HOTAS technology.

[@MrTonyHeath]

Like most schoolboys at the time, i made a collection of balsa wood models of planes of the 40s and 50s. The P1 was far and away the easiest. Just look at that shape!

[@jaws666]

🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍

[@newton18311]

Fortunate to live not far from RAF Binbrook , We use to bike out and watch The Lightnings take off. Also Bike to RAF North Coates to look at the blood Hound Missiles, All pointing out towards the north Sea, Some where on launch pads others where on trolleys, (Trailors). waiting to be loaded after the First line had been fired.

[@DaveAtherton]

I have cut & pasted this from Wikipedia but I have seen this elsewhere. The day a Lightning intercepted an American U-2. "In 1984, during a NATO exercise, Flight lieutenant Mike Hale intercepted a U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe (thought to be 66,000 feet (20,000 m)). Records show that Hale also climbed to 88,000 ft (27,000 m) in his Lightning F.3 XR749. This was not sustained level flight but a ballistic climb, in which the pilot takes the aircraft to top speed and then puts the aircraft into a climb, exchanging speed for altitude. Hale also participated in time-to-height and acceleration trials against Lockheed F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. He reports that the Lightnings won all races easily with the exception of the low-level supersonic acceleration, which was a "dead heat".[82] Lightning pilot and Chief Examiner Brian Carroll reported taking a Lightning F.53 up to 87,300 feet (26,600 m) over Saudi Arabia at which level "Earth curvature was visible and the sky was quite dark", noting that control-wise "[it was] on a knife edge".

[@intake152]

My older brother did some of his national service at RAF Wharton, in the 50s, next to an English Electric factory. Sent us photos of the early P1 which would have been a serious breach if caught, but of course he wasn't.

[@MENSA.lady2]

A very experienced Hunter pilot was training on the Lightning. After his first solo he told his instructor that he had everything under control until he released the parking brake, then all hell let loose..

[@Dave-ik4lj]

Beautiful plane

[@peterkin1010]

My father worked on the Lighting back in the early to mid Sixties. The actual service ceiling was classified but he told me it was the only aircraft in its day that could have reached and shot down a Lockheed U2. A U2 could fly in excess of 80000 ft

[@JackNiles-hc8yz]

Plenty of aircraft back then could reach the U-2's operating altitude.

[@chrisaris8756]

Am I imagining this or was there a RAF aerobatic team (pre Red Arrows) that used Lightnings? Was it 111 squadron?? Very impressive - I remember one getting into trouble I believe for breaking the sound barrier at the Buggins Hill Airshow.

[@PhantomLover007]

The lightning is my second, most favorite aircraft of all time, behind the F4 phantom. I call the Lightning the “English double barrel shotgun“. She was fast, but had short legs. A very different design that proved successful.

[@senianns9522]

Scared me witless at Farnborough in the 60's.! Pilot Roland P Beamont stacked the Lightning and the earth trembled! I was a young guy sat on my fathers shoulders! The frightening Lightning!

[@robertthomas3777]

Me too.👍

[@AnalogueGround]

I used to see the Lightning fly overhead most days in the 60s and early 70s and often hear the sonic boom which was permitted back then before we became over protective! As part of the ATC I was lucky enough to be able to visit BAE at Warton (or British Aircraft Corporation as it was called then) and stand by the runway as a lightning took off - it was an unbelievable experience and its rate of climb made it look almost like a vertical takeoff. I remember on many days seeing the TSR2 flying around and glinting in the sunlight.

[@pickashole]

Britain once had a world leading aerospace industry and could make our own nuclear reactors. Oh how far she has fallen.

[@peterblake4837]

I will always blame "that bloody woman" for dismantling Britain's engineering capabilities.

[@pickashole]

@@peterblake4837 Which one? The decline was well in effect by the late 60's.

[@piscesDRB]

Take a bow Brown and Blair!

[@bobdylan7120]

It started with Labour scrapping TSR2.

[@CrowPal]

@@peterblake4837 Well, now we have a new PM to blame, hell-bent on eclipsing all the preceding.

[@jonnboy]

The Lighting I believe had the first radar controls on throttle and stick before anyone else.

[@bobdylan7120]

Correct, HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) and it also controlled other functions, such as PTT (Press To Transmit) for the radio.

[@nigelclinning2448]

It wasn’t a Head Up Display, it was a radar predicted gunsight with a rudimentary horizon.

[@DrTWG]

Great video - it must take bloody ages to make these .

[@Peter-v7t6z]

The best looking aircraft we have ever made. The reason they were polished is no paint was available then that would adhere to the wings due to the heat generation at mach speeds.

[@proteusnz99]

I remember seeing some descriptions of the AI-23 displays and I was amazed that anyone could work out the interception geometry while flying the aircraft. A point defence interceptor, essentially one-shot since missiles would be fired in pairs. Always short of fuel. It wouldn’t be my choice for a ground attack machine (limited weapon load, next to no loiter time, limited view from cockpit, densely packed airframe vulnerable to ground fire)

[@bobdylan7120]

I worked on these at RAF Wattisham (111 & 29 Squadrons) and then on 56 Squadron in Akrotiri (Cyprus).

[@alansmith2197]

I too was at Wattisham TFF who flew 2-seater Lightning's on my first posting in 1970, until it temporarily closed for runway strengthening about 1974. I got transferred back in 1978 to work on Phantoms for another couple of years.

[@bobdylan7120]

@@alansmith2197 When I was at Wattisham (Oct 1971 - Apr 1973) Target Facilities Flight had a couple of Mk1 Lightnings (the Squadrons had Mk6's). The TFF pilot was also the designated Lightning display pilot, a Flt Lt Russ Pengelly. He later died when his Tornado aircraft crashed into the Irish sea. The two squadrons (111 & 29) each had a single Mk5 (twin seat) lightning for training purposes.

[@fazerider9287]

The expression “heads-up” is a warning. The Lightning had a head-up display (and only one person looking at it).

[@soladsani]

What a Game Changer the EEL was! 👌 🇬🇧✌

[@myriaddsystems]

Omitted to mention anything about the Lightening's record breaking rate of climb in its role as an interceptor

[@JackNiles-hc8yz]

Uh, that's probably because it never set any records.

[@TheFunkhouser]

OUTSTANDING Aircraft! Even today!

[@jaws666]

As a kid i always thought this was 1 fugly looking aircraft...now as an adult i can appreciate its service and place in avation history and love it..

[@Chafflives]

An iconic beauty.

[@williammurphy3766]

I can wholeheartedly recommend the wonderful book "Empire of the Clouds" which describes the UK aviation industry's horribly expensive road to ruin. The Lightning occupies many entertaining pages. The most hair raising yarn being the ground crew guy who accidentally took off in one. The author does not spare the plane's many defects - its short range, mediocre reliability and difficult access for technicians. But you can't hate an aircraft when a pilot describes the flying experience as "far surpassing the love of woman".

[@sichere]

The range was adequate for the day and air to air refueling meant that the EEL's could reach far out. In 1974 in the middle of the Atlantic an EEL "Bounced" the SR71 that set the crossing record. The reliability issues were more down to the fact that the EEL entered operational service as a development aircraft but it was the F22 of it's day.

[@jp-um2fr]

My brother was stationed at RAF Pembrey in Wales. There was an exercise with American B52 bombers who it was stated could bomb Cardiff before they were intercepted. The tannoy on the station was switched to the frequency of the American bombers. There was the usual American derogatory chatter until the words 'Jesus Christ' were clearly heard as a squadron of Lightnings went vertically through the bombers looped and came down the same way and flew home. The Americans complained it was dangerous, my brother never saw another B52. It was said the only reason the Lightning had wings was to keep the landing lights apart.

[@sichere]

The doctrine was that EELs would Intercept the bombers and Hunters would follow up the attack as the EELs returned to base to refuel and rearm for a second run. In exercises the EELs would often get to the bombers the second time and finish the job before the Hunters arrived.

[@jp-um2fr]

@@sichere As an aside. An armourer testing the 30mm on test accidentally let rip a long burst across the aerodrome. Nobody hurt, but in future Lightening were pointed towards France.

[@sichere]

@@jp-um2fr I thought the SOP was that they were armed and tested in Berms but knowing how crab air operated anything is possible 🤣🤣

[@jvrkandc]

Have worked on these here in Cape Town... ex-Thundercity planes