The Future Is Unwritten: With Heather Cox Richardson

[@luckylady597]

Thank you, Michael, for having Heather on your show and thanks to both of you for an amazing, interesting thoughtful, and inspiring conversation on how to save our democracy and country. 👏👏🇺🇸❤️🤗

[@bzb2932]

Michael, thanks for having Heather Cox Richardson speak with your followers. I have been following you, Mr. Steele, for a number of years. I have been trying to understand your choice to be a Republican. As your geo/ethnic-contemporary (born in D.C, African heritage, highly educated), I am still baffled with your allegiance to the GOP (pre-MAGA). It seems to me that the idealization of Abraham Lincoln and his position on Democracy has yet to be materialized in real life via the GOP. Not that the Democratic Party is flawless, but as I recall, for all of my voting life, the policies that I would have alighned myself with came from the Dems, not the GOP. It seems like "Lincoln Republicans" are quixotic in their efforts to make a party ideology something that has long left the station. I know that this comment will probably fall on deaf ears, so indulge me the moment of response.

[@justsittingherethinking2530]

Agree! This has been a bafflement to me, too. I can only hope that Heather helped to inspire some introspection on the decision to be a member of a party that "never was" and see the light. :)

[@tammielynn8273]

I was disappointed in this interview. Michael spent the first two-thirds trying to show her how much he loved Lincoln, as well as still (seriously?) schilling for states' rights. I thought Heather was very respectful while biting her tongue.

[@susanharrison2941]

Fantastic segment. Thank you so much. Can't get enough of Heather. She is amazing. We need her. First thing I read every day is her newsletter.

[@kaydrew5170]

Thank you, Michael, for this fabulous interview with Heather. And thank you, Heather, for repeatedly pointing out that this Christian nationalism scourge is rooted in patriarchy!!

[@sharoncound876]

Dr. Cox-Richardson, I greatly appreciate your distillation of history's often lost meanings. You make present day a better place!

[@margotwarner4367]

Michael, remember when we met waiting for the ferry on Mackinaw Island in Sept. 2021 and I told you about this wonderful Professor I read everyday? You had not heard of her. So happy you now read and talk to her. You both are important to our wild times.

[@amyhamilton2201]

Thanks, Michael and Heather. As usual, you encourage me to change our future. Excellent teaching. And really amazing!

[@emmdeecastro553]

Thank you Heather Cox Richardson. You certainly made learning fun and interesting

[@flylgw36]

Another outstanding interview! Dr. Richardson is at her very best with the insightful and excellent questions asked by Michael Steele.

[@twhite8308]

Great conversation. Heather Cox Richardson is the best.

[@bookwoman5130]

I am a big fan of both of you. Thank you for the conversation.

[@gliberty42]

Love you so much - and you do so much for us - Ms Heather Cox Richardson ❤️

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Michael, this was an exceptional interview. I’ve watched many of Richardson’s interviews and your questions really got to the heart of the matter. I’ve watched you before but this interview earned a subscription.

[@suzimpeters]

Outstanding. Thank you both!

[@tomellis3218]

Great show Heather Cox Richardson is a wonderful educator. ❤😊

[@pippiblack]

I can read and listen to her every day - great interview. Almost finished her new book.

[@KamWTeo]

Lincoln was and is a political and historical touchstone! Truly a giant, not just literally, but figuratively; and for all time.

[@elizabethwilson3499]

This was an excellent episode!

[@Maria-zq4dd]

What a fantastic discussion! Thank you for this enlightening, intelligent, informed exchange of ideas! From Australia, my best regards.

[@susanlorraineknox5780]

I just subscribed to your podcast. I've heard you before, but now I'm convinced I want to hear more from you. Thanks for giving us yet another glimpse of Heather.

[@susankirkpatrick316]

Do love this discussion!!

[@KristiTays]

I love how she makes it ALL make sense!

[@bbrower26]

Absolutely great conversation!!

[@SeptemberApril-io1hi]

Thank you so much! What an education! This is a wonderful discussion!

[@ryukoli4707]

Heather Cox Richardson took my mantra: "the word CONSERVATIVE is used & abused." BRAVO to us BOTH (I may pat myself on the back, too 😉).

[@TedHuryn]

I always learn more than I ever thought I would.

[@joanneformisano582]

The book is awesome. Love Heather.

[@emmettarts1723]

Great interview. Thank you ❤

[@makaracomeau160]

Excellent!! Thank you!!💖💞💖

[@frankoldham6176]

MAGNIFICENT! THANK YOU!

[@lindashapanka6229]

I really appreciate this conversation. Mr. Steele is very excited having Dr. Richardson as a guest that he tends to interrupt.

[@cheepshotz]

Like you said Steele, refreshing!

[@dougcummings6000]

Excellent discussion.

[@kathyfoley2364]

Thank you ❤❤

[@eliwebber6292]

Something people in this country do not study anymore,our history .and its sad they don;t know the history of our own country ..

[@DrNancyLivingCoCreatively]

Fantastic! Love you both.

[@kathleennotaro9935]

We should have signs thanking President Joe Biden for this infrastructure site that we are benefitting from at EVERY SINGLE NEWLY PAVED ROAD, REPAIRED BRIDGE, COMPLETED RAIL LINE. EVERY SINGLE SPOT ACROSS THIS NATION WHO IS SEEING THESE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS!

[@lindawellner5415]

Truth will sustain us

[@skehleben7699]

Great discussion!

[@lydiadevries8408]

Thank you I learned

[@ronniew3028]

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. MLK

[@sandicampbell3252]

Michael, let me pick a bone here. You say 'we the people' ultimately decide, and not at the federal level - the states only. Heather asks, correctly, how many years should "some" people have to go without rights therefore? You say, 'the people decide' - I assume you mean through their votes. But if they are prohibited from exercising that voice, how are they going to change the system?

[@allisontison40]

A clarion call in our time compelled Adam Kinzinger and Liz Chaney. Without either it wouldn’t have worked. American hero’s of the January 6th committee.

[@allisontison40]

Good question….

[@paulatowry5375]

As much as I like Michael i was takenaback with his too sanguine attitude about State's Rights saying that eventually things will be put right by people's votes. How many people have to suffer in the meantime? I believe he has a good heart but like even the best Republicans there is a big blind spot in how they see the world.

[@cefrench7106]

great discussion!

[@carolaltman1107]

Excellent

[@chipsellarole267]

Heather my New fan

[@lindawellner5415]

Everyone is special...no one os more special than anyone else...this is Christ Consciousness

[@saratogasaratoga7257]

There is a moral breakdown in America history, my friends too take away books from our children's, is like talking away a child lunch and breakfast, only in America, this country is going the wrong way

[@ocean1233]

YES ‼️‼️"POLITICAL ENEMA"

[@dvoravithanovsky6902]

Start withthe supreme court-- no politically appointed and limited terms

[@L.A.6482]

The future is not written. I like this concept. All that needs to happen is Colorado leading the way! Disqualifying insurrectionists from the ballot. End of story.

[@canyonroots]

Not the end, as the Supreme Court will be brought in.

[@carmencolon5356]

I look over this

[@lindawellner5415]

One person: One vote! What does money have to do with that!

[@anonnimus]

States rights vs federal rights. So Michael is right in the sense that people's rights (not as individuals but as communities) matter. So at the federal level we decide how nuch autonomy states get. At the state kevel we decide hiw much autonomy counties and cities get. And as counties and cities and neighborhoods we decide what autonomy we leave for ourselves. ( We do this up and down the stack, by limiting tge power of government at each level, as to how much authority it has over individuals vs institutions) The mistake we've made is allowing states to decide who votes and who votes for what. That should have been enshrined in the constitution.

[@dancancro5524]

The problem with "We the people" is that half of we the people support authoritarian rule. They do not support rule by we the people. They have been told their whole lives that the best case scenario is a literal kingdom with a literal king who will reward them and smite their enemies.

[@NaomiPhillips-v7j]

I have long agreed that we the people are responsible for the people we have elected that are creating so much chaos in our government. What I have not heard discussed is the influence of money on this outcome. As a voter, I can vote, but it appears the results are often a reflection of the amount of dollars poured into any campaign. We all know there are contribution guidelines, and we also know there are ways that have been found to get around us that continue to influence the outcomes.

[@suezbell1]

It is my hope that even Republican women that are too afraid to speak up at home, vote for Democrats when they get to the polling place. The new Speaker is NOT fit to serve in Congress much less as Speaker.

[@peterantaki6747]

Understanding the past is the only hope we have to be able to properly shape the future.

[@kimberlyavery8358]

Michael Steele - I’m disappointed you allowed a Vote NO on Issue 1 in Ohio commercial on your podcast…tsk tsk…

[@sharonjoy6234]

😮 Thank you I will have to buy your audiobook. In a 3D world everything has 3 sides. What causes war is believing there are 2 sides mine is good and yours is evil. A bird doesn't have just a right and left the wing, The part in the middle counts also quite a bit. 2 wings fighting is Counter productive, No wing can fly by itself.

[@michaelneal900]

Heather is what I call a laboratory grown person.

[@jannhebrank]

why is it still legal to keep slaves according to the constitution? pretty bull shite as far as I am concerned

[@allisontison40]

That was decided in the Civil War! Silly!

[@krissipowell9358]

Democracy and liberty cannot be rewritten as, Hey dude, I redefine language.

[@4terrascorned]

And yet that's exactly what conservatism has been doing for generations

[@joannejoma3223]

Thank You So Much, Michael, for having our Beloved Heather on your show. She’s a NATIONAL TREASURE!

[@lauracarstiou3505]

Seems like worrying about Patriarchy is a luxury when I have to worry about the Democracy of our country could disappear 😢

[@clayfoster8234]

Should the democracy survive I firmly believe Dr Richardson will be one of the unsung hero’s who made it happen.

[@leslieoshaughnessy4672]

Appreciate you both! Much needed discussion! Please keep engaging!

[@cathysurerus576]

Michael!!! Wow! What a great discussion! Thank you soooo uchfor showcasing Heather's great work, and showing the way forward! ❤

[@rohankurian5641]

💪🇺🇸💪🇺🇸💪🇺🇸

[@umbomb]

Reagan wasn't a nice guy, he was an actor who played a nice guy; a "useful idiot."

[@Dawnabrat]

What a great conversation. Thank you Michael and Heather.

[@jbf5117]

Michael, I’m listening to this interview but something you just said made me stop to offer a comment. I’m an old black woman who has been saying for years that this is the time when citizens are going to have to decide what kind of country they want to live in. It’s OUR responsibility.

[@susanfrancis5471]

The problem, as I see it, is the Maga’s are in a Cult, and that never works out well. We need to Stay Strong, black or white, or green, or yellow.💙

[@KoolKath48]

Too many girls and women have been slaves to men since the beginning of time! It’s not all about the color of skin but the hearts of men toward those that they are able to control if they choose to…and too many feel entitled to do so. Many times it goes unnoticed is the big problem and that’s a huge and unfair problem for females. This really needs to be addressed as well.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Then we need to abolish gerrymandering and the electoral vote. That makes it not a level playing field

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

I agree 100%

[@debrao1058]

Go Heather! I can’t express how brilliant I think this woman is…let’s awaken🙏

[@ryukoli4707]

💯

[@susancurtis3201]

Thank you Michael for hosting a great conversation. I have followed her for quite awhile. I learned a lot from your episode discussing so much.

[@julienelson8162]

As a Progressive, I still can’t believe how much I respect and admire Michael Steele, a RATIONAL man with whom we may disagree on issues, but not on character. Great discussions elicit serious thought, and this was a great discussion. Thank you. ❤

[@krissipowell9358]

Remember when democrats married republicans? We were married to democracy.

[@jbarson6671]

I disagree profoundly with his politics but I enjoy his broadcasts and enjoy listening to him.

[@marylesak8529]

Heather is an American treasure ❤️🇺🇸

[@annielindt6245]

You two are rocking it! Thank you. Note to Michael, if you leave it to the people of the state to get fed up, how are individuals to change things when their right to be represented by vote has been jeopardized or suppressed by gerrymandering?

[@HabAnagarek]

A point he time and again stubbornly evaded, perhaps disingenuously, as he speechified. A frustrating listen.

[@jonimarsh9105]

Gerrymandering has now enslaved black and white alike. Our votes have been STOLEN every time new Gerrymandered maps are drawn every 2 years. If this continues "The South Will Rise Again." VOTE 💙 💙 💙 BLUE 💙💙 IN 2024 to give everyone their vote. WE NEED the POPULAR VOTE TO PROTECT US. They just keep moving the lines and stealing our votes.

[@kcuzz4091]

Thank you Michael and Heather for a great conversation!

[@StumpCreekSentinel]

Thank you Michael. Heather has been offering us a much needed overview of our daily political events by providing us with a historical context that so few are truly as well aware of as she. I have never found her to be irrational in her presentations, rather, she brings light and balance to the conversation.

[@curiosity540]

Morality changes with time, and religious morality should not be the rule of law because we are constantly expanding as humans. Religious morality restricts our freedom to grow and improve as humans, and as Americans. And what religion is correct? Each sect thinks it is the only correct belief. Excellent discussion!

[@susancurtis3201]

Agreed our leaders are the worst hypocrites. No one should shovel religion and morality down throat.

[@lhoward9593]

Good point!

[@susanfrancis5471]

Your religion must make sense. Being raised Catholic didn’t do that for me. It can take awhile.

[@Bizhead3]

Excellent comment!

[@KristiTays]

Did you know there are over 5000 religions (that we know of)? And to think that only one has the authority? Its ludicrous

[@clairejeannette8454]

Thank you, Michael, for bringing Heather to us. She’s a blessing in the best non religious sense of that word.

[@bulletprooftiger8120]

What a great conversation! Thank you Mr. Steele! 💖

[@VicfromOregon]

Best in-depth conversation i’ve heard in years. Right to the honest heart of things. Thank you Michael. Thank you Heather. I dare have more hope that we just have to keep doing the Good Work and making Good Trouble.

[@MAC-op5fc]

Heather is always great to listen to and learn from. I wish you would have let her her talk more than you did!

[@teacher01ful]

Michael, such an intelligent an engaging interview with Heather Cox Richardson! I think it’s my favorite interview of yours and hers!

[@rrrwaves]

Once again I learned something new just by listening to the brilliant Heather Cox Richardson speak. Much appreciated!

[@susanfrancis5471]

This woman has a mind like a bloody Bear Trap. I have Never known anyone that remembers, and can articulate so well. Yup, I’m a fan.

[@sandrasharp8446]

I an a huge fan of Heather's work! It's great to see her showing up on podcasts now 👏 🎉

[@DianeGreer]

people needs money ! 🤑🌎💙🙏🤔✌️

[@ocean1233]

I am So pleased to hear this conversation of HISTORY and present time. It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I know so many have NOT LEARNED HOW IT IS IMPERITIVE TO PROTECT PEOPLES DEMOCRACY

[@betticaroltaylor9681]

Thank you so much for this podcast - and for this stimulating convesration between two very savvy, very smart people! Wishing you both the very best. Thank you so much for this crucial forum! Saving our sanity, providing and nurturing hope!

[@DaleRogers]

I love the analysis. Now, what’s the plan? What’s the action we can take to right the ship? What can “I” do to get the media to cover important issues. What can I do, as a Democrat, to get the TN legislature (I’m in middle TN) to follow Conservative, rather than MAGA, ideology?

[@AvsFan32]

I’d like to know this also.

[@aliceputt3133]

Protect your public schools and libraries. Make sure American History is being taught and check which text books are being used as Texas is a major source of biased information. And make sure American Civics or Government is being taught. That members of Congress don’t know what the 3 branches of Government are is outrageous.

[@allisontison40]

South Carolina never taught any history past the revolutionary war when I was in the public schools from 1964 -1978. I guess there weren’t any books written about the Confederate war that the South Carolina Government wanted us to know about. They didn’t lie, but they didn’t tell what happened either.

[@lizholt7228]

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE...and bring family & friends with you to vote. Help get people registered to vote.

[@chanchan5349]

My issue is I’m a fiscal conservative but not a maga. I don’t agree with most politicians at all, regardless of party.

[@chucksmash1]

I love Professor Heather Cox Richardson..! She's so well read and she explains history in a way that just makes me want to hear more and more! I enjoyed this discussion, but it was a bit frustrating listening to Michael ask her a question, then attempt to answer the question himself, going on and on, before finally letting her answer. Anyhow, it was still a great show!

[@jodestella2746]

I believed e it is a way Michael is articulating his question.

[@beefeekeefee]

I agree with Churchill's assessment that "Americans can be relied upon to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possible alternatives." The wheels turn slowly and we, as a culture are ill prepared for this reality. But Democracy will prevail. It has to.

[@wildhorses6817]

💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@efowlermail]

Its astounding how many times that description of how the U.S. operates rings true.

[@littlebirdie2]

Wonderful title! The truth IS yet to be written! Let’s work together to make it bright.

[@toomanydonuts]

Michael Steele? He always has the right thing to say about what the "real deal" actually is. Thank you! The futures uncertain and the end is always near. Let it roll baby roll. -Mr Mojo Risin'

[@johnbrandimore9011]

Yeah Michael. If the Federal Government hadn't stepped in to the states the Civil Rights period would have failed.

[@TerriKnight-x3s]

Thank you so much. I follow Heather. She keeps me off the ledge. Always so interesting. This talk brought up so many important topics

[@BiglyFakeNews562]

I appreciate the highly intelligent content of this show!!

[@jonathandorr2234]

Yes, Michael, this is a crux. Thank you. For the fun; I was raised on Lincoln Circle, in Belmont, mass. from 1955. My father and grandfather ran a famous law firm, and hid the details from me. I was casually friends with Joseph Welch, who would drive my father home,from work, cause he distrusted the bus and subway, from Boston. My father, had no time, to dally, and had his 3 rd heart attack ,at age 56. Mere perseverance, will not suffice, where dark money is seen on the surface. We grew up challenging the John Burch Society, simply, because of the narrative. My sister, took to B.U. Law school. As the last child, my father did cultivate my musician-ship, poetic art, and skills as a anti-class warrior, both physical and spiritual. He was as well the quietest anti-racist -, lover of jazz music, I have ever found.

[@Barbara-oj8ql]

Excellent episode! Thank you.

[@maxlogan215]

Such a great show! Powerful!

[@sharondavid-melly1498]

Infuriating that there was no accountability for the crimes of the Confederate South''s Civil War.😠

[@johnharding9634]

Two stunning minds ... thankyou for everything you are doing every day with such persuasive passion.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

When the Berlin Wall fell (literally the next day), I turned to my mother-in-law (who would be in her 90s if she were still alive) and asked, “Now that the right doesn’t have communists to fear monger with, how will they fund raise and scare up votes?” She didn’t miss a beat, “gay people.”

[@arlenestanton9955]

Wow, Prescient

[@terrybruno7404]

Great Show! Lots of history & Information!! Thank you!’ ✨♥️✨♥️💯✨

[@ellenlockhart4494]

Reagan sounded like a dear old dad. During the Reagan years, psychiatric hospitals were closed without having humane places for the severely mentally ill to live. They suddenly, noticeably lived on the streets.The Wall Street Journal, of all newspapers, warned of the ballooning of executive pay, even when their companies did poorly.The WSJ also wrote of the extreme right entering local politics with long-term plans to lead national politics. Large tax breaks for the wealthy began in the 1980s.

[@wildhorses6817]

Yes, ABSOLUTELY 💯

[@lauracarstiou3505]

People seem to forget how we just came out of a catastrophic event.. Covid...that affected the whole world.

[@allisontison40]

Yes, so true and sad. It has badly affected our national debt, and we lost over 1 million of our citizens. No other country can even come close. Peru was the next in deaths of 700,000, a Fascist country also with a leader in denial. It makes me so angry!

[@canyonroots]

And a war with russia also affects the world.