Every EV Charging Hub Needs These Modular Lounges! BK World Cube Full Tour

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[@jimparr5412]

I notice the site is completely wheel chair accessible. Including at the chargers. Way to go B K

[@concinnus]

Herr Wolfarth said "by law", so clearly Germany has some equivalent of the ADA for new construction. But at least as of ~20 years ago, admittedly, a lot of EU cities had pretty unfriendly sidewalks/cobblestones/old buildings.

[@buddy1155]

I am pretty sure it is mandatory in the EU for all new public developments.

[@Urkfjfjrjcjdhejs]

Often required by government and/or if you seek invest support by government/eu

[@jimparr5412]

@@Urkfjfjrjcjdhejs supposed to be a legal requirement in CanadA as well but still see curbs in front of chargers

[@simplygregsterev]

As I’ve said before. Europe is on another level with EV adoption. Different mindset

[@kenhiett5266]

Europe has the same issues with charging that we do. I travel there frequently and rent EVs. A place like this isnt a bad thing, but its hardly a necessity. Especially if you're familiar with EVs and know how to charge efficiently. EV technology will likely outgrow the need for places like this within the decade anyway.

[@simplygregsterev]

@@kenhiett5266 im in western europe fairly often and really haven’t encountered any issues. Even recently in Iceland is was excellent

[@kenhiett5266]

​@@simplygregsterev​​ I've ran into chargers that don't work or a lack thereof in rural areas at a pretty similar rate on both sides of the pond. I do quite a bit of driving to clients, so I get a pretty good feel of what it's like on average.

[@verygoodbrother]

@@kenhiett5266 Many of those rural areas have residents that would protest the planning permission like with 4G/5G rollout.

[@therealhugocosta]

@@kenhiett5266why? Petrol stations still have these amenities, charging time is not a factor, everyone needs to eat/drink and a toilet.

[@johnpoldo8817]

This place is awesome. USA is 10 years behind in offering this amenity to EV drivers.

[@Aestheticslily]

I think he said it’s coming this year to California.

[@benjamindoss3369]

so true.. like during a rainstorm i was wondering how come gas pumps are covered, but ev chargers are not.. big oil controls the US gov, but yet US gov makes a law that all EV or hybrid by 2035

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@Aestheticslily Yes, he did say one coming to CA. But, one doesn’t help many people. We need hundreds in this decade.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@benjamindoss3369 Agree, big oil has huge profits to fund elaborate gas stations while charge point operators work on a very thin profit margin. A handful of Tesla Superchargers have canopies, but not many. When the big convenience stores like 7-Eleven, Circle K, Race Trac, etc get more into charging, you’ll see them under canopies.

[@mrpogi23]

not really, Tesla has exclusive lounges in California. But it will get better... EA has similar in SF, other companies are partnering with Starbucks and other retail to have specific EV hubs.

[@jimparr5412]

Kyle, please share this video with all your contacts in US and Canada that put in chargers

[@frankbrune3101]

I would like to see 24/7 solutions like this not only for EV-chargers but also for public transport hubs. Mabye with a bk-world-pass for access

[@TruckerJohn3]

This is SO needed in the US!

[@buddy1155]

This will not work in the US, It is open for anyone, with all those homeless people in the US it will be full quickly.

[@TruckerJohn3]

@@buddy1155 don’t be so negative.

[@buddy1155]

@@TruckerJohn3 It might be hidden for people in the US but I have seen documentaries form homeless people, and not homeless people that do not have an own place. But truly having to sleep in the street, they have seriously no homeless shelters in the US. People really have to sleep in tents or cars. Multiple people on a Walmart or Target parking. Just like you see in dystopian movies. In a world like that this seems like a pretty nice alternative to sleeping in your car or tent.

[@tomm5936]

@@buddy1155did you see they could put access restrictions in 30:05

[@buddy1155]

@@tomm5936 No I didn't :)

[@williamelkington5430]

This is spectacular! Thanks, Kyle, for going through this for us. And thanks, Gerald, for all your hard work on developing and implementing these extraordinary BEV charging amenity units. And thanks, Gerald, for the innovative business model, as well. Your product/services should sell like hotcakes here in the US!

[@p0kerp1aya]

This is how you do it! WOW!! We need BK World in the USA.

[@northerntribeoutdoors5938]

Bring it on!! The US market is so ready for this experience vs. dark Walmart parking lots!

[@michealolsen1344]

Next up..... Out of Spec Energy Lounge for all your charging and EV educational needs in comfort!! I'd visit one!!

[@IAmSuburban]

Man this is cool, can't wait to see them over here in the States!

[@johnpoldo8817]

Don’t hold your breath…..10 years before USA will have 10 of them.

[@vhol93]

Pizza machine is awesome! Middle of the night, prrfect sokution for everything is closed

[@NowIsZukunft]

Such a great interview!

[@bhmbill]

Alpatronic/kempower + Ionna + BK World for the win.

[@richardcorns8553]

We stopped at one of these outside Wurzburg a couple of years ago. Very impressive.

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

I have said this about EVgos chargers with Flying J stations, I would pay extra to charge at one of these locations over EA and Walmart.

[@777Outrigger]

When I road trip, I plan my charging based on amenities, like 24/7 facilities and reasonable security at night, not if is's a V2 or a V3 Supercharger. Of course, all things being equal, I'd go to a V3, but what's that? 5 minutes difference in charging? My road trips are not a race to Vegas.

[@miggy8011]

Please come to New Zealand but add solar covers over the chargers as we can get a lot of rain in winter.

[@usefulname7134]

So many people charging, what an awesome clean space. More Bk worlds please!

[@Jeddin]

Since Ionna is just starting their network planning I hope they see this video and implement the idea. Seems a no brainer.

[@dustreed1]

I like how he said he would get a bigger pizza machine for America! 😂 Big ole Americans.

[@dpsingh6421]

Holy crap! What a great concept. We are so backwards compared to the Europeans.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Am I the only one who initially thought bk referred to Burger King?

[@Pepegium]

i thought so as well when i saw the video title

[@Mikek2bn]

Why California there are loads of areas in the US that are deserts for concepts such as this BK world. I 19 from Mexico to Tucson for example. Heravily traveled with NO EV services at all.

[@woodsguykevin]

Very cool! They could have cardio equipment that generates electricity for the cars.

[@dimaa6_abc201]

In Ukraine we have automatic coffee machines where you can pay with the credit card (or your phone) practically everywhere

[@Aestheticslily]

Love it! I would plan my charging based on the availability of BK world cubes!

[@sempre_oculto]

The perfect range would be above 500 miles, with the measurement taken at speed always above 100 mph and with 4 people and luggage in it.

[@SteveEnergy]

If they ever bring over a pizza machine, make sure you can pay contactlessly. Having lived in Germany for many years, it blows my mind that you still have to insert a physical card into the slot.

[@jamesphillips2285]

The contactless payments are insecure. The "security" is that the POS terminals are proprietary, transaction amounts are limited, and unauthorized transactions can be easily reversed. OG Bitcoin would be able to do it, except development was capture by banking interests in 2014, by funding development. By 2017 Bitcoin collapsed as a payment network (resulting in weeks long transaction delays and fees rivaling wire transfers) because the Core Developers refused to scale to meet expected transaction demand.

[@SteveEnergy]

Putting your card in the slot and typing your PIN is exactly what thieves love, especially at ATMs and gas stations. Contactless payments, on the other hand, are not only more secure with encrypted data but also incredibly easy to use. Just tap and go-no need to worry about skimming devices.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@SteveEnergy The skimming devices can be contactless with the contactless cards. Chip and PIN is supposed to be encrypted as well.

[@SteveEnergy]

@@jamesphillips2285 No system is foolproof.

[@o-sullivan]

The Pizza Machine from Flaven / BK-World gave me a completely frozen Pizza once. Never again.

[@millsbobster]

cool, but why are chargers still uncovered, exposed to the elements?

[@89five3five]

Yeah, why do they do that?

[@freddydad1]

Takes a second to plug in, then you go to the lounge or sit in the car.

[@millsbobster]

@@freddydad1 guess you don’t live where it snows

[@otm646]

​@@millsbobster precisely, the perimeter around every charging stall is going to be a slippery icy mess. It might start as snow but as soon as you get people trampling it down it's going to melt and then refreeze as sheet ice. Capturing waste heat from the charge cabinets would be perfect for heating those pads.

[@freddydad1]

@millsbobster no I don't. It does rain a lot, though. Will putting up a roof stop ice and snow?

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

In a few years when Taycan charging speeds or faster are increasingly the norm for even affordable BEVs, what happens to this business case?

[@telagraf]

I guess people still want food and to go to the bathroom, he said all those things are part of the revenue they get, along with advertising

[@WSandig]

Gas Station Shops are still a thing, even though refilling an ICE car takes like 4 minutes... so... I don't see a problem.

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

@@WSandig Yes that's what I'm saying, gas/petrol stations already exist, in places like Norway they are already installing charging equipment, and are typically in better locations...so unless most gas/petrol stations fail to install the chargers, I'm not sure there's a huge scope for this business model, unless the gas/charging station shop model is going to switch to unmanned anyway. 4 minutes with pay at pump now, but just a few years ago you had to go into the shop and queue to pay, could easily be 10 minutes, comparable to charing the new Taycan. I think there's a chance we end up with a lot of infrastructure we don't actually need in a few years, except to service slower charging older EVs that will slowly phase out.

[@richardcorns8553]

Works with motorway service stations and ice cars for years. Why should it change with evs?

[@verygoodbrother]

@@JoshuaStringfellow1 Stop talking rubbish. There are many people out there that don't have at home charging that will need facilities like this. Likewise, petrol cars can already fill up in 5 minutes yet you don't see petrol stations going out of business.

[@MelvinMyla]

Homeless in America will go crazy in here if this get into the states

[@RTSwiz]

True

[@tomm5936]

Great concept. I drove past here just a few weeks ago. I wouldn’t go to this sites because Tesla still refuses to serve 800v cars but if this was at an Ionity site I would have loved it. Many sites still have no or limited amenities, this would be perfect. It’s all I need, a clean restroom, coffee and snacks.

[@murdelabop]

Considering Amazon's lead in unattended stores, how long do you think it will be until they copy this concept?

[@allanmurphy7474]

Many more young people and persons who could not afford a full priced EV are going to be buying in the used market that will be part of future of EV vehicles in the next few years

[@649649649134]

Much better than the EV Charging stations we have in Ontario Canada

[@miketaylor4162]

Great video. So cool to see these type of locations.

[@ozsimflyer]

Love to see this in Western Australia. Sadly, I’m not holding my breath.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste .. 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊

[@trevorross1311]

I see a lot of orders coming in, the space is pretty neat. Nice pizza machine too. We are a Cube, not a container.👍🏾🍕

[@Jcesare09]

Amazing we need asp here in America pronto please, thank you for the info your videos are always great love it Kiley

[@paulchristenson5256]

BK on a lot of people's minds is Burger King. That might not be good.

[@ReedikLindau]

Oh, how nice, you are in the city that is named after my family name! :D:D

[@KennethRobinson-rf9wj]

Your content is fresh, keep it going!

[@PH61a]

Very interesting video!

[@supertalaria]

Now THIS is the future. All CPO's should take notice.

[@mattsimon931]

there is a vacant commercial property near me, a former small car dealership, that I think would be perfect for this type of business model. It's right on the corner of the busiest road we have, and could be a great site for solar canopy as well.

[@RTSwiz]

This kind of thing is going to absolutely wreck the convenience store job market in the US but it is genius.

[@Model3P]

It will take at least ten years for something like this to come to the States

[@davidbaker9943]

So well thought out!! I’m seeing an out of spec charging site with this!!!

[@buddy1155]

So funny that Kyle mentioned the door, and looked at Europe's most common door.

[@urbanstrencan]

What a great concept will definitely visit it if I travel near by 😊❤❤

[@karensandberg6226]

Unrelated to this video, do you by chance know when Tesla will allow Chevy to use their Superchargers? I’m getting very inpatient. 😢. This would improve road tripping confidence for me (I’m 62 and usually travel alone). I thoroughly enjoy your content.

[@vhol93]

Great one !

[@manuel0578]

In the US they love to put people where they’re totally unnecessary 😂 I’ve seen so many employees in the US who could easily be replaced by a sign 😂

[@JoeDotSolar]

Looks so nice, wish we had them in the US. In the meantime, I could really go for a Gerolsteiner.

[@michealolsen1344]

Exciting things coming. Great video!!

[@andrewmee8136]

Don’t forget Australia, Adelaide first please!

[@EdwardC2]

Any plans to roll these out in the UK?

[@davidbaker9943]

How was the pizza this time?

[@Naitsirk1]

Amazing idèa and great video!

[@MossMini]

Why not also serve caviar, free foot massage and napping pods...

[@ElectricBrian]

How much does the bathroom cost?

[@Niranga]

This would be cool to have here

[@tacollins1983]

Niiiice!!!!

[@turnersinsurance8656]

I'm not sure the idea of 'lounging' sends a good message to any EV owner... it seems to me that we need some simple upgrades to our current charging locations: Parking Cover for sun/rain, just like 'gas stations' do... a Convenience store with restrooms, just like 'gas stations' do... and, well, faster chargers and faster charging vehicles. The rest of it is just fluff.

[@turnersinsurance8656]

@@ArbitraryFilmings stop by any Tesla Supercharger most any day, any time, and you will see MANY MANY vehicles sitting there, charging. You might 'assume' that just because we mostly get our 'everyday' charging from home, yes, TRAVEL charging is a WHOLE different story.

[@teardowndan5364]

Fancy "EV charging lounges" are only a transient thing. Once 300+kW charging becomes the norm, you will be ready to go again almost as quickly as you can walk to the facilities and back, not much time to loiter around unless you are taking a break... but then you'll have to beware of idle fees, no time to rest while plugged in unless you throttle the charging speed.

[@lowfuel6089]

They're not making money on loitering. If this is a way to provide facilities and amenities at charging sites that wouldn't otherwise get them, seems fine to me.

[@Jeddin]

Tell that to gas stations and travel centers in the USA including pilot / flying J that offer snacks food bathrooms and even showers to customers that are filling their gas tank in 5 minutes but still making use of the facilities.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@Jeddin The difference with gas is that you fill up in 3-5min, then move elsewhere before walking in to do whatever it is for however long you want to stick around. With fast-charging, 10min is too long to stay by the vehicle but not long enough to do much else if you don't want to sprint to the restroom and hope you can get back before idle charges start piling up. As I wrote in my original post, this model (of having a convenience store with only EV fast-charging as its parking) only works for now, while most fast-charging is still relatively slow at 20+ minutes. Won't work half as well once 300+kW fast-charging becomes the norm. Not enough time to queue for anything before having to sprint back to the vehicle.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@ArbitraryFilmingsThe point I was trying to make is that once fast-charging becomes commonly fast enough, you won't have time to walk away from your EV before getting idle fees. In my area, the most common charging networks bill double-rate when above 90% or charging slower than 20kW. If you step away from your car, you have to be relatively certain to come back before then or be ready for hefty charges. Not much of an issue when charging typically takes 20+ minutes, almost certainly long enough to accommodate the longest toilet and counter order queues. It will be when ~10min charging stops (300kW) become more mainstream 5-7 years from now. Lose your place in queue to move your EV or eat $5, $10, $20 in idle fees when you lose your bet on being done with your other business before idle fees kick in? With ICE, it makes no difference whether you park to take care of your other business before or after filling up, takes the same ~5min either way from shutdown to restart.

[@desperate451]

All good - but aren't those inventory tags defeatable - that is, can't they be separated from the product (drink, etc) and left inside the cooler and it would register as if nothing was taken out of the cooler?

[@Drybones898]

It looks like they mentioned that in the video. Taking the tag off seems to break something that also triggers the change in inventory.

[@desperate451]

@@Drybones898 Thanks. I missed that portion - he said that if the tags are broken (taken off the bottle), they don't work any more. So all good. It would have been too obvious otherwise.

[@kisan9189]

try the pizza

[@PierreSimonsson]

if it is alowed to go in if not ev driver why write that on the sigen then...

[@manuel0578]

That’s not true. REWE has REWE ready! now which is basically the same thing.

[@nobrien1]

I think that these lounges will have a lifespan of 5 - 10 years. As soon as EV battery / charging tech gets to the point of a 10 minute recharge these won't be necessary.

[@RTSwiz]

People still need snacks and a bathroom, this seems to be more efficient than the standard convenience store here in the US.

[@nobrien1]

@@RTSwiz Here in the U.S., Tesla Superchargers are located near amenities and I have never had an issue with snacks or a bathroom. Are they going to build these luxurious facilities at every interstate / Autobahn exit? I doubt it. Particularly if battery and charging technology gets to the point of a 10 minute (or less) charge time. At that point, the traditional 'gas' station model is viable for EVs, with charging hookups instead of gas pumps, and all the rest stops along the highways will partially or totally convert.

[@DaGoat97]

Such an awesome design. Come to Florida after Cali 😂

[@PierreSimonsson]

There need to be some tabels outside.

[@ecarfun]

Cool, but I feel like in many places in the US you're going to need more than AI and offsite security, you're going to need onsite security. (an armed guard making sure the place doesn't trashed and thrashed.)

[@kellyheath8547]

That'll be vandalized in the first week.

[@ejd1984]

Though this Charging Lounge/Hub like this would be great everywhere, but as charge times dramatically drop, would these become quickly obsolete?

[@tomm5936]

People still need facilities on a road trip. Compare to the gas stations at rest stops where you stop a few minutes to fill up and then go to the store.

[@50cts]

They certainly need them less and less to spend time there but I guess a restroom break and grabbing food/drinks will be still a thing. I mean it might be more or less the gas station concept in the end. Of course the difference is almost nobody fills up their ICE car at home or somewhere other than a gas station so there might be less people using those EV gas stations on a regular basis because a lot of people will only charge at home for their normal commute. So they only visit those stations on longer road trips. Hard to say.

[@ejd1984]

@@tomm5936 True, though existing gas stations will hopefully be adding more fast chargers to mimic this concept.

[@ejd1984]

@@50cts True, though existing gas stations will hopefully be adding more fast chargers to mimic this.

[@50cts]

@@ejd1984 It all comes down to the speed this transition takes place, if at all. Some gas stations in Europe are already adding chargers to existing locations. But it’s still far away from the point that you could say that those are able to handle the demand alone.

[@leinad20002]

I think I even saw vacuums at the charger?!?!?

[@pauldesi]

Skip CA… start in N East/ Philly - New England routes.

[@paulbram2]

And still no pull throughs?

[@laceymcwatters4368]

I'd love if there was a shower option when we are tesla car camping and exploring

[@xrotaryguy]

Pretty cool I guess... But only for the short term I hope. A decade ago the fastest DCFCs were 50 kW. Hopefully we'll have charge times in the 5-10 min range in the next 5 or 10 years and all this mediocre charging will be ancient history.

[@stirlingfromla]

This is great, but it didn't need to be 60 minutes long. That should've been a 15 to 20 minute video.

[@ampedampson5140]

Hopefully Nintendo doesn’t copyright this video for having filmed their games being played 😅. Great video! Hopefully more lounges will be coming to the US

[@rogerlarsen4539]

This, except I think the future of charging is wireless. Much like they tested a few years ago in Oslo, which TeslaBjørn was a part of - much like MagSafe charging we have on iPhones

[@abelincoln3261]

Battery extended warranties.. BS scams...

[@Skylancer727]

If the tracking chip is on the cap of a drink, couldn't someone just take the cap off and put it back in without breaking the chip?

[@onthetrench4178]

Ah, the German accent

[@djw1779]

Where’s the playground??

[@jepleas9159]

Are kitchen shears ✂now the new 🔌🚗 EV accessory to cut pizza🍕?

[@werty1432k]

But why build out an industry around a problem we're trying to solve? Faster charging is the answer not more things to do while we charge slowly right?

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Not only, its comfort, safety and a business opportunity with it. Gas stations - the bigger ones are also build similar - with a small supermarket, café etc. - latest charging tech goes up to 400kwh - so you will only stay for 15min, down from 30min now. If you are a single woman travel at night and need to charge - you are looking for an infrastructure like that.

[@lucas7793]

Does faster charging remove the necessity of visiting the bathroom?

[@Aestheticslily]

That’s not what they are doing. They are offering amenities so that you can seamlessly charge, use facilities, get a snack and do it all in a safe and secure location.

[@TheLobo91]

Remember when the USA used to be a leader in innovation. How far have we fallen. I remember you showed a site in the USA similar to this but ran by one guy but USA companies have lost all innovation. Now we just emulate 5 years too late. Only Tesla is pushing us forward.

[@MelvinMyla]

America will use Apple Pay with only 1 dollar on it and empty the entire fridge out

[@leviandhiro3596]

No shade? Epic fail

[@HDHQDIRECT]

The same people in here happy with waiting in a lounge while they charge their car for 40 minutes.... we're gleaming about how they dont have to do 10 minute oil changes on their ICE cars every couple months.

[@mcsike7264]

Who tf charges 40mins 😂

[@SpottedSharks]

More like 20-30 minutes and then only when road-tripping.

[@mcsike7264]

@@SpottedSharks idk were tf he got 40 mins form you can tell they are new here 😂

[@HDHQDIRECT]

@@SpottedSharks You wait...I'm not

[@SpottedSharks]

@@HDHQDIRECT I can guaranteee I spend less time in a year waiting to supercharge than you do pumping gas and doing oil changes.

[@panameradan6860]

Unmanned charging stations is NOT the way to go!!! The only way that the masses will accept and buy BEVs is if charging stations follow the gas-station model with full-time attendants who can provide safety to both pumps and patrons, help people who need help charging and/or paying (including universal acceptance of both credit cards & cash), maintain restrooms and windshield-cleaning supplies, promptly get broken pumps fixed, and sell food, etc. Plus, all charging pumps must have canopies like gas stations do.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@panameradan6860 This is a maintained facility managed five times a day and fully remotely monitored. So this is not a fully unmanned station. I do not agree with your point. Charging disposers are inherently unmanned so the site staffing model can be more flexible to deploy.

[@panameradan6860]

@@kelviskelvis7140you didn’t read what I wrote, or didn’t pay attention … read again …

[@johndavis7257]

Ehh, I think they can be. Automakers should do much more work to educate people upon delivery which will also help people be more comfortable with home charger installs. Better training upfront is the answer not having a person at every charger. Eventually it’ll be unnecessary as we get further down the curve.

[@millsbobster]

i agree -- especially about the canopies, but also the rest just makes sense. why Are CPOs insisting on inventing everything? with the result being umpteen different apps on my phone, most of which work only occasionally. why don't they partner with the existing gas station chains that already have everything in place? Shell is beginning to do this with the Volta acquisition in a tiny step, but really, it's Not rocket science, it really isn't.

[@lucas7793]

Looking forward to charge at one of your manned charging stations with canopies for every charger! When does it open?

[@mfurmyr]

It will be nice restrooms for homeless in California.

[@steffenfrkjr1424]

This video is longer then a chargecension... and do not neat do be

[@SummerSausage1]

Terrible lounge. Not enough tables, the sofas don't have arms which makes sitting in them for prolonged period uncomfortable, no tinted windows eiether. Just piss poor design in this place. No doubt this is their first concept.

[@millsbobster]

he mentions that they tried tables and they didn't work, and it's designed for high-speed charging, being there 20-30 minutes, not working for 2 hours. which is why Kyle's suggestion to monitor your charging while pooping is the Last thing you'd want as the operator.

[@vicariously4330]

​@@millsbobster What's the point if it can't even match the comfort in my car?

[@millsbobster]

@@vicariously4330 you might be completely comfortable in your car -- more power to you. the rest of us would like to stretch and move around. i do agree more flat surface is needed for a real meal, but they're just selling snacks. that said, i agree that this isn't the best approach: further down the comments i mention that i think the real answer is to partner with existing gas stations rather than pretending that charging an EV has Nothing in common with gassing a car; the payment situation and lack of canopies with current CPOs is beyond stupid, existing gas chains solved all this decades ago.

[@SummerSausage1]

@@millsbobster I watched the video, and I know they claim that. Have you ever been to any lounge? Airport, Train, etc? EVERY lounge has tables, even small tables, same for chair arms. The only reason he said that is to create a hostile design to prevent people from sitting longer than absolutely necessary. 20-30 mins with a small laptop watching an episode is now removed, and you need to sit there for 30 mins holding your phone up. You can defend them, I don't care, but the fact is every lounge has tables and arms on their chairs for a reason. This place just wants very high turnover so you GTFO as fast as possible.

[@edmundorivera5825]

It's not meant to be a bed and breakfast. They seem to be proving their concept pretty quickly so...