The Future of Masterpiece Transformers

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[@Roboshi2007]

considering how most mass-shifting bots work, the robot mode usually takes priority when it comes to scale. however we have mostly seen the most extreme example so far (megatron, soundwave, etc)

[@bpo1975]

No Galvatron, no Cyclonus, no Scourge. But thank God we have at least 2 versions of wimpy little Bumblebee.

[@Roboshi2007]

I dunno if you noticed, but I think the name bumblebee sells pretty well in their eyes

[@JP-qb3ny]

We can all thank Bayformers for all the love Bumblebee gets…..

[@jasonparis5635]

Don't forget that the first masterpiece Megatron was a disaster but the second version was good I don't collect the masterpiece transformers because it is very expensive

[@kevinp.h157]

no devastator neither

[@TheCybershark99]

The G1 movie and S3 don't sell as well in Japan

[@Alexisilver]

The trainbots really stalled out Masterpiece releases, the scooping up six new molds worth of time and engineering. Now that they're pretty much done I'll be happy to see the return of cars and various repaints of those same cars.

[@DevDoesDigimon]

After Devastator, the most likely Gattai would probably be Predaking, since he's a kind of bridge between Devastator-style (Dedicated arms and legs) and Scramble City style (swappable limbs. Predaking's arms could swap around, as well as his legs, but his arms couldn't become legs, or vice-versa), making engineering him much easier, and maybe helping them figure out the engineering for the Scramble City combiners. As for other MPs I'd love to see a Masterpiece Chromedome at some point.

[@OptimusPhillip]

I don't know if this is particularly likely, but I think Masterpiece would do well to expand into other generations. The G1 cast is wearing thin, and there are tons of adult fans now who are nostalgic for the 21st century Transformers series. Give us Masterpiece Unicron Trilogy, Masterpiece Transformers: Prime, hell, there's probably a market for some Masterpiece Car Robots characters.

[@otaking3582]

They've already done MP Beast Wars, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

[@alexcurrie4514]

Oh that is brilliant. It'd work too. I'd pay out the nose for a Masterpiece Armada Starscream and so would plenty of others.

[@shawndashno6022]

My wallet is SO ready for TF Prime masterpiece releases. Yes please!! Leave Arcee at voyager scale or smaller though, so we can have something close to scale for her, just for once.

[@medafan53]

If memory serves Armada, Cybertron and RID Prime were part of the same vote that ultimately birthed Star Saber's masterpiece, so they are probably willing to make them, since Legacy are doing Armada now, and we all know Shadowstriker is an RID Side Burn pretool, it would not surprise me if in a few years they may start looking in that direction.

[@sanctumscream372]

Bro I'd be doing cartwheels if we started getting masterpiece UT or Prime. A lot of Armada characters could use proper toys that aren't barely posable, gimmick-loaded nonsense. Scavenger and Sideways would both be at the top of my list there.

[@XenotHedgehog]

Re: the transformations being too convoluted to be fun, I would argue that's not the purpose of the Masterpiece line. The Masterpiece line's job is first and foremost to be the single most accurate representation of the character in both robot mode and alternate mode, but they really aren't meant for extended wear and tear. They're more meant as display pieces. I don't know about anyone else, but my Masterpiece Cheetor's arm guard actually broke off of its hinge because I transformed it one too many times, and I imagine the hinge that hold's Dinobot's waist together probably won't last with too many repeated transformations either. As toys, they aren't great, but as collector's items and display pieces that can be put in whatever form and pose you want to show them in, they're perfect. If you want fun, there are plenty of cheaper options in the main line that can be transformed with relative ease. You mentioned in an earlier video that one of the reasons main line figures are getting more expensive is because collectors demand that they have the same level of articulation as a masterpiece figure, and I don't think you're wrong about that. The purpose of the main line is to be played with, and having the level of articulation one would expect from a display piece is unnecessary for that. I don't even use most of the articulation that my figures have; I just store them in their alternate modes most of the time so that they don't wear out before I have the complete cast.

[@forbiddenspatula4243]

I think something important to keep in mind when guessing which MP is next, is thinking about who can be repainted and retooled the easiest. Seekers, Prime, Soundwave, Primal, Arcee, are all popular and easy repaints/retools. With that in mind you can repaint Astrotrain twice, so hes got the best shot of being the first triple changer.

[@TECHTIMESOfficialChannel]

Takara is mostly going for bots that they can remold or repaint. If you think about it, there are just a few standalone MP molds released. That's why I'm mostly excited for the Rhinox, since they'd really have to dig deep to find a reuse for that mold.

[@ShadowPrime69]

They could repaint it into the silver and green colour scheme from when he was made into a predacon

[@TECHTIMESOfficialChannel]

@@ShadowPrime69 They could. And it would be up to the die-hard HasTak fandom's dollar vote on whether they'd tolerate another decade of that BS, or not.

[@samurexatlas7373]

I feel like, for Gattai, after Devastator might be Arielbots or, given enough time passed, Menasor. Both have a larger core bot, and the Scramble City shouldn't be too bad, Motormaster becomes most the limbs, Arielbots probably share limbs engineering so figure 1, figure 4.

[@mrheroprimes]

You know wouldn't surprise me if once all the Masterpiece train bots are released. I could see Takara doing a reissued box set that strips out all the clear plastic, That goes from far more anime accurate look to the pain jobs.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

From what I’ve seen of Skids, Jetfire, Trailbreaker, and Hoist, it seems like MP is trying to get back to where it was. Unfortunately, what I’ve seen out of the Trainbots has been cluttered and so brittle they make SS86 Jazz and ER Datsuns look like they’re made of the most durable materials on Earth. It’s as if there’s a fight within Takara between those who can make show-accurate, durable AND fun MPs and those who say they can but crap out things like MP-44, MP-46, and Hound instead of following through on their word. TL;DR: More like Skids/Reboost/Burn Out and less like Hound and Lio Convoy.

[@allenusison3124]

ER Datsun? Which figure, specifically?

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

All of them except for the recently revealed Buzzworthy Prowl

[@allenusison3124]

@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Any other toys, specifically? I know nothing about ER Datsun.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

ER Smokescreen, ER Prowl, ER Bluestreak, ER Barricade, and Buzzworthy Silverstreak. All of them have extremely fragile shins made of clear plastic that break down over time. I’ve heard horror stories about SS86 Jazz’s roof similarly shattering, but it seems like that they fixed that for the Legacy Knock Out retool.

[@Trebleshot]

​​​@@EternityKingdomsHeadHonchoIt's annoying that SS86 Jazz has that flaw, but it's also oddly G1 accurate 😂

[@mattr75]

I would love a G2 Laser Optimus MP figure so we can get a proper Scourge. That, and an MP Waspinator

[@soulcraft_84]

I hope they are serious about a reissue of Hound with fixed parts, but it sounded like it was more so just a request from the person asking them questions. They probably will V2 a Soundwave at some point.

[@Roboshi2007]

considering the fact MP is all about cartoon accuracy, I don't think they'd do the scramble city style and they'd probably just do the configuration that people are the most used to.

[@OptimusPhillip]

I can see an argument being made that the Scramble City style of combination _is_ cartoon accurate, because of the _Scramble City: Mobilization_ OVA, which was actually the debut of the Special Teams in JG1 continuity

[@Roboshi2007]

@@OptimusPhillip yeah I do often forget about that OVA, but at the same time would they want to be accurate to one ova or an entire series. Sure they'll make a little accessory to reference one episode, but increase the complexity of their entire MP sub-line?

[@EmeralBookwise]

I think it depends on the team. I mean, if you look at the Aerialbots, for example, the limbs all had nearly identical transformations and robot modes, meaning it would probably be cheaper to use the same engineering for each and likewise retain the scramble function. The only reason to do Superion with a fixed configuration would be if the fists and feet were going to be integrated into the limbs.

[@Roboshi2007]

@@EmeralBookwise I guess it also depends on if they want to do and "all in one" or partforming design which scramble city did need

[@awesomeguy9513]

For combiners they gotta step up their game those train bots aren’t the best and the combiner looks clunky and isn’t very tall for being a 6 bot combiner, also some reports of clear plastic issues which isn’t the best especially with a lot of those panels being clear. If they wanna do a menasor, superion, Bruticus, etc they gotta amp up their game cause there’s a lot of 3P combiners some are solid figure. The easier one probably menasor cause you could probably get away with doing something similar to the legacy one As for G1 it’s a matter of time and while I do love me a good triple changer but it will be rough for Takara to do without it being expensive, headmasters could be cool those would be quick and easy then target masts if they do 86 MPs a reissue with the target master could be possible Something I hope pick up is the beast wars MPs cause that’s lacking especially on the predacon side. It could be a good buffer to stall out G1 doing the S1 cast, heck maybe reissue a few of the older ones like primal or dinobot. I do hope we see transmetals, rampage, and depth charge in legacy cause MP versions if they happen ar years aw

[@DrN0G00d]

I want to see Masterpiece Megatron that turns into a tank, that way everyone gets him.

[@moltenamber85]

They’ve only really touched the first season of Beast Wars. Fuzors, Transmetals and Transmetal 2s are all holes in that cast of characters.

[@dylancrossman8502]

Even as someone who hasn’t bought an MP in ages, Jazz and Cliffjumper are long overdue.

[@thecontroller9779]

Can we please just have a masterpiece Galvatron, Scourge, and Cyclonus?

[@R0-83-RT]

I feel Springer would be a pretty easy triple changer to do considering how similar his car and helicopter modes are.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Yeah, and I also don't think triple changers are nearly the Pandora's box he makes them out to be. Springer was a star of the movie and third season, while both Astrotrain and Blitzwing were prominent in the second season, but the rest were never all that important outside a single episode or two.

[@dukespino4990]

Yknow, if they did an mpg poseidon, they might be able to make a really good combiner. You know why? They wouldn't have to make them transform! Of course, in the cartoon they didn't transform except combining or guns, so for a hypothetical cartoon accurate king poseidon, none would get robot modes! Of course, I do think they would transform if only to get the king neptune repaints, but it's certainly something to muse upon I could see them doing insecticons like skids, at a reasonable price point so people could army build, and then do the repaints and deluxe insecticons to get their money's worth

[@PrincessMatrix]

I don't think MP's well is ever going to dry anytime soon. Primarily due to the the last few years offering some disappointing releases, such as Bumblebee 2.0 and Arcee, the incredibly overpriced Convoy 3.0 and Seeker trio, the halfbaked Trailbreaker that looks nothing like his cartoon iteration so he could be retooled into Hoist, and the QC riddled Tigatron and Hound. While Skids and Skyfire managed to raise the bar for MP once again, there is tons of room to re-make older figures.

[@KOAHUNT3R]

My body is ready for more MP Beast Wars. Gimme Rhinox!!!

[@treebotreviews]

We’ve seen the leaked cliffjumper. I assumed that it was a Porsche problem. Which makes me wonder if there’s a jazz in the works.

[@Cdr2002]

I think it’s funny that you pointed out the Omnibots so soon after X-Transbots revealed their MP style Overdrive

[@wyldefyr4116]

could always take the 'show accurate' approach with the scramble city combiners. it worked well with legacy menasor.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Debatably. Although considering that approach is basically just Motormaster with cars stuck on his arms and legs, there really shouldn't have been much engineering limitations preventing scramble as an option either. Ditto for the Aerialbots, since the limbs all had nearly identical transformations. It really only the Combaticons and Protectabots that would majorly benefit from having dedicated limb configurations.

[@Trebleshot]

I agree the next Gattai release group will be Devastator. But I also don't think the Scamble City teams would be too difficult. Third Party release have shown they can be done. The beauty of the classic teams were how similarly designed their limbs were to each other (alt mode kibble aside). And as others have said, the robot modes would be the priority so vehicle mode scale wouldn't be an issue.

[@larrychilders6599]

17:20 after Devy it could be Predaking since he is a 6 piece Iirc

[@rolonegative3334]

MP Predaking sounds dope! Release it before the remaining Dinobots and make our heads explode!

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

I hate to “erm, ackshually” you, but it’s Divebomb, not Wingspan. Can see why you’d think that since they’re both Decepticon birds, though.

[@EltonPCorrea]

A masterpiece ginrai would be amazing. Expensive af, but amazing. And it's Convoy, it will sell well in other parts of the world.

[@Ranma_Leopard]

Very enjoyable video

[@allenusison3124]

With Raiden done and dusted, I'm expecting them to make Road Caesar.

[@Cdr2002]

19:20 I would say the Headmasters count as major G1 characters

[@swiftsteve8774]

The Trainbot look so inferior to the Moon Studio version.

[@otaking3582]

I'm guessing that they're gonna do Raiden's Decepticon counterpart, Devastator, next.

[@claygray303]

Where is your thoughts and review for haslab victory saber?

[@glxblrt]

Porsche-licence would make Masterpiece Crasher possible as well

[@skybite]

Masterpiece Combaticons, considering that Takaratomy seems to play favorite with the Combaticons. I got a feeling they will be cartoon accurate which I don’t prefer.

[@RileyZilla1001]

MP? Where is Jazz?

[@AS42100]

Yeah, Masterpiece Jazz is long overdue.

[@johngolles342]

When are we going to get masterpiece reflector

[@autobotlogan7949]

So you think we can get liokiaser? Because of it not having scramble city???

[@thesardonicrenegade]

I'm just hoping that they announce a Masterpiece version of Unicron's Heralds, Galvatron Cyclonus and Scourge

[@EmeralBookwise]

Kind crazy we don't already have Galvatron.

[@thesardonicrenegade]

@@EmeralBookwise apparently they aren't that popular in Japan, which could be why we haven't seen them yet since masterpiece is mainly done by Takara

[@TenNoMichiyoIki]

I'd like to make the argument "If 3P could do it, why not HasTak?" but they're just different companies with vastly different production values.

[@HeckholeHotel]

When it comes to the scramble city teams I think I'd be okay with the limb changing gimmick being left out in favour of much simpler designed bots construction-wise who only have to form one dedicated limb

[@NerdRahtio]

given the rising prices and the improved quality on Hasbro’s end, I think it’s time for Masterpiece to go away. The few I have been interested in, mostly beast wars, have been so darn expensive the rise in cost didn’t have an equivalent rise in quality.

[@MrKickdoh]

Umm...I get the point you're trying to make but mainline's best effort (SS Hot Rod & SS Grimlock) are still a mighty long ways away from MP. There's definitely still room for MP and MP-scale. In my opinion.

[@NerdRahtio]

@@MrKickdoh I get that MP is better, I just don't they are better enough to justify how much cost difference there is. Whatever my feelings are, if they keep selling, they will keep making them.

[@MrKickdoh]

​@@NerdRahtio I see....the "value" argument. That's definitely a fair point to argue. MP has ALWAYS been overpriced and we know it.Those of us who have been MP collecting since the domestic (USA)/Hasbro MP releases know how cheaply these things can be sold. If you didn't know, in those days Hasbro would import and SEVERELY undercut Takara's price on the exact same figure... with minor paint app changes. Saving the (western) customer the cost of importing and actually passing the savings on to the customer, unheard of these days. Sorry for the long response but yeah, we understand no value is offered to us the MP collector.

[@matthewtalbot7854]

The only way i will ever buy a transformers masterpiece is if it actually got sold in stores. Thats the only way i can buy them

[@justinterry8894]

Masterpiece bumper or holomus maximus.

[@TransformersFan86]

What about movie characters?

[@jamesmcdavid1673]

TJ thinks he's out of Patreon subs. Rattle em, boys!

[@RileyZilla1001]

All MP dinobots should just be the Studio Series ones but with better joints. You may think the SS Dinobots are good but my knee ratchet on Slug snapped which prevented me from buying the rest of them.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Honestly, studio series has been making Masterpiece look increasingly redundant.

[@MrKickdoh]

​@@EmeralBookwiseMP is as far beyond SS as SS is beyond mainline. Hold SS 86 Starscream in one hand and MP-52 in the other and tell me...redundant???

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

Third party has been doing a solid job on combiners for a bit now ever since toyworld devy. And combiners have been less ugly and more solid than the takara train bots for years and years now. Holy shit that takara raiden set is ugly as sin.

[@wolf1701A]

2 or 3 third party have dinobots

[@elizabethfranklin7788]

Honestly I’m not all that shocked at Galvatron. For a long time it’s always felt like Megatron is way more important and overall rather than Galvatron. I could almost see them doing a Masterpiece Star Convoy and Super Megatron to finish off the G1 big names and never end up doing Galvatron.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

Star Convoy

[@elizabethfranklin7788]

@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho thank you! Ugh I’m the worst with names.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

You’re welcome!

[@noahasencio8589]

Hi 👋

[@MrKickdoh]

I get the sense that most here are "Takara-only" and I respect it (that was once me) but point of all of this is mute. Its 3rd party for the win. Those of you that've handled FT Jive, tell me, do you really need MP Jazz?

[@vxrdrummer]

Most 3p companies have already nailed all the characters. The new Cliffjumper looks awful with the spoiler in robot mode, unless it's mistransformed, then the Fans Toys is a million times better.

[@wolf1701A]

I think third party has taken care of most 84 characters

[@knot3d_]

I think you underestimate Japan Masterforce / Victory fanbase.

[@seanmoore6504]

If I see a dead on offering by another company then these feet dragging offerings then Hasbro/TT misses out. I don't want or need their versions of Jazz or Cliffjumper now. They waited way too long and now I have amazing versions in Fanstoys Jive and Parkour with diecast and beautiful paint.

[@MrKickdoh]

This thread don't hear you. My season 1-2 MP collection is almost finished thanks mainly to Fans Toys. Building GIANT battle scene diorama using ALL my figures when collection is done, so close. Fans Toys for the win!!!

[@epaitech]

loose the scramble city functionality and give us a good combiner.

[@etonymous1632]

When is the next plastic addict?😂

[@ianroe1076]

I think MP is just too complex, too expensive, and too low quality to continue to exist as it does. If they're concerned about sales, they should give the same QC attention to their $300 releases as they do to their $20 releases.