The future of Owen Farrell and England rugby | The Big Jim Show Live

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The Big Jim show is back with Jim Hamilton and Stuart Hogg as the team look at Owen Farrell's future in England rugby. #BigJimShow
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[@tomprice1900]

Listen to the way other professionals talk about Farrell, that’s all you need to know.

[@patrickchilds2987]

You forget that most fans on here won’t have played the game at any decent level or wouldn’t watch rugby outside the international window. Fans are by nature emotional and Farrell uniquely polarises fans like almost no other player . These fans are usually reactive based on the results of the last game , which is why they change their minds on players after every game . They aren’t interested in how professional players who have played with Farrell or against him regard him, or how well he is regarded by coaches and refs . They aren’t interested in looking at his match or career stats or achievements, they prefer to talk in generalities about his game or a perceived idea of his character. But that’s the nature of fans now, social media has allowed them a opportunity to comment. Universally on rugby content almost nobody talks about the actual games, changes in a teams game plan, technical skills of players, it is normally about an individual player they either like or they hate. Refs are fair game too, irrespective if the fan actually understands the refs decision or interpretation or even what the law is being referenced actually is. Certainly refs make mistakes, they always have but now they are under closer scrutiny of fans , and increasingly come under criticism and accusations of bias and corruption. Some take too far, we have seen refs and players being threatened. These are no doubt the same people who at the same time will hypocritically espouse the superior ideals and values of rugby of the game and sportsmanship over other sports like football while happily slandering players and refs in the game they have never met even less understand . When did rugby fans become so precious and pathetic ?

[@davidpearn2484]

Just watched Wales v Fiji what a game best by far upto now 👏 .

[@Rustie_za]

Man I tell you I was soooo disappointed in that overtime last knock.

[@ajs17897]

Very reactionary! Ford Farrell is very much still alive. England went 17 unbeaten and got to a World Cup final with that combination

[@paulbennett2929]

Are people forgetting the 10/12 combination when we got to the final?

[@JackD87]

Was that Ford/Farrel?

[@matyoukee799]

Yeh, but that was four years ago. And Faz is not better than Tuilagi at 12 and Marchant is better than Tuilagi at 13.

[@Calmdown1354]

That's in the past, and one of the reasons we haven't evolved. Just like still picking youngs at 9. Clearly Ford still has it in him to control a game, but Farrell provides much less kicking options, and is predictable. Not to mention his tackling! Start Ford at 10 then bring Smith on when it opens up a bit is our best option.

[@JackD87]

@@Calmdown1354 people seem to mix up his high tackle/disciplinary record with his defence. He is very strong in defence.

[@Calmdown1354]

@@JackD87 I apreciate that, but long story short we play better without him.

[@calrugbyfan]

Everyone goes on about Farrell being this great leader and talisman, but where has that got us the past few years? Its like his form means nothing and he has to just be shoehorned into the team because of who he is. Can anyone think of one game in the last few years where Farrell had the influence that Ford just had against Argentina?

[@mrdrevilporkchop666]

love your punditry Jim! I don't know how ITV keep getting away with the snoozefests wilkinson and woodward

[@martinmcdonald4207]

England getting used to playing with just 14. Practice makes perfect! This guy on the right is the real Ali G!

[@anelasibhoko467]

The way Jim described South Africa gave me goosebumps: "How do you beat a team that are playing for more?"

[@TheFlyingScotzman]

They play for more because it is pretty desperate in SA. It is one of the few things going right for them.

[@glennaston2412]

I’m a Sarries supporter and think Faz is brilliant for them but imho he overly dominates the England team and stifles them. Ford inspires, Faz intimidates.

[@clitering]

Spot on. I think Faz, as good as he is, holds England back. Or at least the style that suits him - and to some extent England - straightjackets us and when we play a more creative 10, we look all at sea. This is a bit harsh but at this point I think he delivers more downside than up in the context of catching the leading teams and the speed of the game.

[@grimresolve6040]

"A lot of talk" aka "I just made this up as a talking point". We need all of our players at the right times to go anywhere in this rwc. Horses for courses is Bothwicks way.

[@heinstrydom864]

Ford definitely

[@AndyFairlie]

Best team in the world! Springboks!

[@sports2hedz542]

Wtf is the orange human pylon walking around in the background!? 🤣

[@Funkybassuk]

Van Der Merwe - a Saffer playing for Scotland

[@2011hwalker]

Ford hitting that drop goal from halfway was absolutely stunning. Get Farrell out.

[@paulterry1335]

Yes definitely. Replace him.

[@armin8768]

Jim looked a bit distracted during this whole interview…

[@zworm2]

If farrell was playing in the Argentina game, england would have lost. Owen could not steer them to victory. Ford did great!

[@TTraveller3]

Ford MUST play. He was outstanding. He can read the game…. He can kick…. Most importantly he can legally tackle whereas Farrell fails at tackling in EVERY game and continuously get yellow cards!

[@patrickchilds2987]

Ford is playing exceptionally well but aren’t you perhaps exaggerating Farrell’s playing by an exponential rate. 1ted against Wales and 2 yellow cards in 107 England games. The first card was for obstruction against Australia and the other for killing the ball against NZ . By your count he should be in the hundreds and yet….. Ford can certainly read a game and he is a great player , and it’s fine if you want him. But and I’m guessing you are an England fan why are slagging another English player with total bs to validate your own player. Why ?

[@Tanks518]

Don’t put Farrel in . Keep the same team

[@alexnaismith351]

Ford at 10 Farrell at 12 Tuilagi at 7

[@Tanks518]

@@alexnaismith351 don’t need Farrell

[@alexnaismith351]

farrell and ford worked wonders last time @@Tanks518

[@henryshepherd1050]

Farrell's brain has a worrying tendency to go AWOL in the second half as he takes on being dirty harry

[@hafidkouloun6405]

lol

[@renius78]

The only consistently world class English rugby player and typical "fans" calling for his head.

[@Jack-qv5ru]

We won’t get far with faz taking fords place again.

[@vinniechan]

I never like Faz being full time skipper because u cant have the face of thr team going around antagonising tbr other side

[@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns]

Fazo should've never been captain in the first place. He's a good player but lacks the qualities to lead a team. He lacks discipline, can't control his emotions & gets involved in stupid scuffles over trivial stuff. Ben Youngs, Courtney Lawes or Maro Itoje would've been better long term choices. But hey, this is definitely Farrell's last world cup.

[@td4493]

Erm….Saracens

[@michaelkeegan9260]

Just ny opinions here but let me share them. I dont like the idea of Itoje as captain. He's a great player but I believe his character deficiencies are as bad as Farrells. You'd be sending a message that his off the ball antics and awful attitude in wining and losing is commendable. Ben Youngs is like butter, melts under any heat, we all saw rhe 2019 final where he genuinely gave up trying after 30 minutes. Lawes seems to a great job as captain though. Hes calm, he leads by example. He makes good decisions and he seems to inspire his team mates.

[@andrewjones8420]

Jim don't be so influenced by the haters! You should be more professional than regurgitate hater voices. Tindel gets views subscriber's without resorting to such cheap shots

[@redneckReno]

Owen Farrell is great and those blow up chairs are stupid

[@tomorrow3582]

No disrespect to Farrell, I've no doubt he brings a lot to the team but he kills our attack. He has no running game and any time we get in the red zone he's compelled to kick the ball rather than let players outside him try and create... and while he may be a great leader I think the strength of his personality has a stifling effect on the others around him. I think back to when England picked Cipriani against SA and Faz kept stepping in at ten and refused to pass him the ball. Then Cips pulls out a worldie kick in behind to draw the match and Faz is fucking screaming at him. I'm so bored of watching the Owen Farrell show. The likes of Smith and Ford are never going to play well with Farrell trying to run the game from 12. If he was a number 7, it would be different but you pick a 10 to create and he doesn't do it I'm afraid.

[@hafidkouloun6405]

What did Cipriani do apart from that? Were it not for for Johnny May pace then the ball would have gone out.

[@tomorrow3582]

@@hafidkouloun6405 he didn't do anything because Farrell literally stood at ten the whole game and didn't pass it to him. But I'm not here to debate Cipriani's qualities as a fly half. The issue is Farrell.

[@Erictheking07]

Should never pull a England shirt on again.. much better without him. Every collision he be involved in will be scrutinised big time, they can't wait to pull out Yellows now 😮

[@freddielepine]

Farrel is a bad egg. he stinks up the team energy. Time to move on.b

[@rob.1]

How many games have you played with him? More than Hogg?

[@citedcanvas85]

Farrel can go home. England dont need him. He is a liability

[@2011hwalker]

agreed, get him out

[@antonymorris1962]

Jim's a harbinger of pure reactionary negativity. He's also demonstrably insecure about his Scottishness 😁