The G63 shill bidding FAIL (Banned Forever!)

[@Mr-pn2eh]

I would block that guy's number. Get a restraining order on him

[@technom3598]

Restraining order?. That's a bit extreme.

[@Budward0]

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[@Bob_Smith19]

@@technom3598if he’s wasting hours of shop time on a consistent basis it may not be.

[@nickrulez809765]

Personally, I would beat him with some pvc pipe and a tube sock full of d-cell batteries.

[@BryanGullickson]

Block number yes Restraining order no way to extreme at worst trespass the guy from the dealership

[@TBendez]

Couldn't afford to sell it at 90, so he sold it at 80 :D. Excellent. Hopefully that 9700 dollar lesson hit home.

[@SixthGearPinned]

People like this do not learn lessons. They simply never change. Once a weasel ALWAYS a weasel.

[@nstg8]

I doubt it

[@cpt_nordbart]

A convenient way to lose money without the use of NFTs

[@j_mars_cars]

This story made me smile the whole time. Love it.

[@dfreeman16s]

I like it when Doug tells stories.

[@MrSeanman30]

Besides the story where he bagged on a dude with a kit Lamborghini and used a customer's Lamborghini to try and one up him lmao

[@brightchavalala]

It's nice to hear a story from Doug

[@oxfordsparky]

I hate shill bidding, the amount of items I’ve reported on eBay and nothing ever happens.

[@switchcars]

And in an ironic twist, we sold him a car today.

[@waiwong1304]

Someone driving a G63 around gets stressed out over a few grand…..these fake riches should focus on building some self confidence and not keeping up with the Jones

[@jbranche8024]

They would have made up the difference if he was legitimate bidder. You break the terms of the auction and they do not make up the difference. You want to do shady things Karma may just pay you a visit.

[@foxxygearreviews7754]

The car business is greasy as hell. I love cars but every time it comes around time to buy or sell one, I absolutely dread dealing with everyone involved.

[@switchcars]

People are people, regardless of the industry. Feel free to give us a try on your next deal. I shower every morning so the grease factor is very low

[@abrahammc2125]

Its because its just rich guys screwing with eachother. The lower end market is far less painful. High end markets always include shill bidding.

[@AndrewJaws]

I will say from being in the higher end auto sales world for a while now and having sold lots of cars on the auction platforms…. There will always be a guy like this and they will never leave. And THANK YOU for mentioning the “just sell it on Bring a Trailer.” Oh sure, it’s easy peasy.

[@Thatguy55595]

An actual good story by a top 3 storyteller on Vinwiki behind Christopher and Rabbit…

[@ajdahun]

people on TikTok seem to not understand this...LMAO

[@sfm.x]

Doug is interesting. Was laughing the whole time

[@ajdahun]

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[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Screw those guys - anyone get a bargain on that site? Nope.

[@Bob_Smith19]

@@MichaelJames-lz7niIt’s an auction. You’re going to pay market value regardless of the platform. All vehicles are overpriced at the moment so there are no bargains to be had.

[@abrahammc2125]

@@MichaelJames-lz7ni I dont know why Doug made cars and bids, rather should have just made a enthusiast car craigslist and take a cut, because cars and bids is just shill bidding.

[@gregwasik]

the seller shrewdly negotiated against himself!!!! 😂😂

[@saimk4239]

Finally a story from Mr. Tabbutt himself

[@nickwolanski927]

Yes we needed Doug on been awhile

[@tripledair]

THHHISSS message is brought to you by Cars&Bids.

[@nickwolanski927]

Ed please add in a slow pan around the room during intro or outro so we get to see all the cool collectables you have accumulated along this life long journey of yours. Always enjoy watching would love to shake your hand one day pure respect.

[@ssnerd583]

I had a co-worker who would always come to me and ask me my opinion about buying something, usually something 'expensive'.....and he NEVER did what I told him would be the best bet.....and he always came back to me crying rivers about how he should have listened to me and on and on...until I told him flat out to never ask me my opinion about anything ever again. He got ALL butthurt and indignant over that and wouldn't speak to me again. THANK THE GODS. Mission accomplished.

[@allegorx58]

you’re so cool

[@ostrich67]

I wouldn't take your opinion on anything either.

[@jasonbecker3319]

Always great when Doug stops by!

[@protogenxl]

the only car this customer should be driving is a used chevy sonic

[@benjy6358]

well well well..I think Edd is a professional in shill bidding..even has a 700k paper weight that he dont want to prove it !

[@VINwiki]

It's a very pretty paperweight!

[@benjy6358]

@@VINwiki and 700k in debt too !

[@purehardstyles]

Love a good ole Mexican Stig story

[@stangkiller1789]

Doug has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express every night.

[@EdBolian]

Unimaginable

[@kevins90sc]

"Sometimes people just can't be Helped"...This is America.....And for some this concept is a way of life.

[@CaptainSaltyDawg]

It's been awhile since we heard from the Mexican Stig...

[@ralexander9495]

Wait - why are these things still so expensive? I would have guessed these were like $60k.

[@obsidian00]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@aleksandartrantalovski7152]

I still don't understand why people buy cars they can't afford.

[@JobyJoby-iw2wr]

My late mother in law bought a nice looking car through a county auction in Georgia - her brother in law went with her to keep her 'out of trouble'. Great looking car - bad motor "it just needs a tuneup". Shill bidder kept driving the price up until her brother in law put a stop to the shenanigans. Still, he fell for the 'it just needs a tuneup' ruse. Sold 'as is', car barely made it back to Florida where it was promptly parked. Diagnosed as 'engine damaged due to 'running low on oil and overheating'. Car was sold for pennies to a mechanic. A very nice looking 3 yo car with moderate miles. 1982 Olds Delta 88 Brougham with the 260 ci motor.

[@mccarthyp64]

I get this sort of stuff in IT far too much...

[@tony66au]

HA thats hilarious :-) I find shill bidding annoying but Doug is spot on with his summation, you hit that button and buy the thing then its all on YOU.

[@GearHzMusic]

awesome to have doug back! :D

[@clinttheboss2117]

His tag should say band-2

[@wrxzboost]

the g wagon market specifically is littered with shady owners, dealers, scammers, you name it. i was in the market, but something didn't feel right about it and jumped into a different car. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@abrahammc2125]

Much better to just buy GLS or something else. Unless you get a good deal from a private party sale

[@wrxzboost]

@@abrahammc2125 i bought a 22 cayenne GTS, have no regrets. love that car.

[@abrahammc2125]

@@wrxzboost Yup, its good aswell because you feed into porsches lineup, so u can get a 911 allocation if u wanted down the line

[@wrxzboost]

@@abrahammc2125 gt3 is next ;)

[@Shawn-Leider]

Doug looked away when he said he doesn’t participate in shill bidding. Lol I bet he’s done it once or twice tbh

[@TheAfricanGist]

I really missed Doug's tales.

[@kunzilla]

ban him from your shop

[@CannonballCC]

Love a great Doug story

[@maxtorque5329]

I was once watching an R35 auction and accidentally became the highest bidder at 130k with 20 minutes to go..most stressful half hour of my life😅

[@garsimmulholland4984]

I had a “buyer” turn up to purchase my Porsche from a well known site. He lowballed me and I rejected his offer. He then proceeded to gouge the paintwork of my Porsche. A 6 month prison sentence and a £25,000 compensatory order made him less chirpy.

[@jasonlanglois7906]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that has to deal with that level of stupidity.

[@OriginalGriff]

You can't fix stupid. :sigh:

[@hankhank3129]

That's a great story on it's own for the cars, but everyone in any auction should know!

[@Graves-81_69]

😅 I went through a similar situation with a firearm on auction. Guy wanted me to help him sell a rifle and without letting me know decided to bid on his rifle! It basically played out the same since he won his own property. I’ll never do business with him again

[@blueridgebikeman]

The headline of this vlog should be, "The guy basically paid $4.300 to NOT sell his car that he was so desperate to sell."

[@PatricioGarcia1973]

This happens on every single auction, sellers use different accounts to up bid and try to get a higher return.

[@clifbradley]

Nobody said people,with moeny have any sense

[@philreynolds6018]

Gtreat Story , Best of VINwicki !

[@higherstandard710]

I thought they had to cut the check back to the owner to make it up to the minimum amount? So he should of only payed 700 and they gave him the check for 4,300 right? Cause he sold it and they needed to make it up to the minimum bid?

[@abigalanderson7494]

My math totals $300 owed. 4k to meet 90k reserve. Subtract the 4k from 4300k = $300 but you are on the right track.

[@f0r3v3r_]

He bid $86,000, but as the buyer owes a 5% fee to BAT for the sale. That means the buyer owes $90,300 for the vehicle. Then BAT would give the seller their $90,000 and collect the remaining $300 as their fee. Since the owner is the seller and bought it from themselves, they received no money, but owe the 5% fee to BAT anyway. Because there is no real buyer in the equation there is no $90,000 and thus he owes $4,300 for making the bid that won. That $4,300 would have been the new owner's problem. It isn't that he doesn't pay and magically gets money. It's pretty simple, TBH.

[@dunhillsupramk3]

as a car guy, i would NEVER consider a car as in investment...

[@juggalojack5667]

The minute he wants it down to 85 k get the hell out of my shop

[@kondor99999]

As a psychiatrist l, I have one comment: Cocaine.

[@JeffMortonRacing]

Haven’t laughed so hard it a while. Thanks for brightening my day Doug!

[@PowerstrokeSynd]

Dana Mecum does the same thing at his auctions. If its close to the bid, he will figure out a deal. Move %'s around and everyone is happy.

[@rallyman1122]

That's what a good auction house does. Make a deal so everyone wins

[@PatrickMcMahon1]

I’m curious to know how Bring a trailer charged his card if Doug was the one listing the car???

[@MichaelOnYourSix]

The buyer pays the fee, not the seller. So, like in his example. If a car is listed reserve at 105k, but bidding only goes to 100k, the 5% fee brings the total to 105k, which meets reserve price. Car is marked sold, and buyer is charged 105k. In this example BaT doesn't make a single cent for their services, they do it as a courtesy to keep vehicles moving through auction and not failing to sell.

[@BitterCarGuy]

So he lost almost $10k outsmarting himself on his own car lol

[@JohnnyAFG81]

Dude is as smart as a 2x4, he should not be in business.

[@samsonian]

Doug, I apologize for thinking your job was pretty easy. In retrospect, hearing about this guy you need to have a “no-sell shill insurance” fee for certain clients. This guy would be poster child #1…😂😂😂

[@CH-qt4hr]

Rabbit is a jerk for doing his antics too

[@davidbuschow1079]

A shrewd negotiator!

[@Autocreatorz]

i bid on proxy bid for equipment cars machinery etc but in the terms of each individual auction, it will state the code or law or what ever that the seller sellers people and auction can participate in bidding the item up to seek final price but this message has to be disclosed for it it be legal, if its not disclosed, then its illegal and then your banned as a seller

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

eBay encourages it with the stupid Bidder Id protection nonsense

[@SeattleSteelLLC]

Your math is wrong. If the winning bid was 86k and with BaT 5%, the buyer pays 90,300. The seller then receives his 90k reserve. The seller and buyer being the same person would only be out of pocket $300. BaT ripped this guy off.

[@Dan-du4tc]

You would be correct, except for the fact that Doug mentioned that he called BAT and told them what happened and said to keep the “entire amount” (i.e. the 5% commission rather than just the $300) because he didn’t want to get banned from BAT himself if/when they found out.

[@switchcars]

no, my ethics are correct. In order for me to get the $4k check from BaT, I would have to be complicit in this whole endeavor.

[@switchcars]

@@shreddy_mcgnar6359 no need to delete, discussions are great. I’ve been wrong more times than I can count and my errors are permanently etched in the annals of the internet.

[@SA-zoom1]

I know someone who won his own car on ebay, yes it was also a Mercedes 😂

[@zippityzbrake]

Sometimes the intro makes me think the sound turned off and sometimes it's like being at a concert

[@josephbarrett7204]

He only would have been out $300 though, right? Since BaT would have given him back $4000 to meet the difference between 86k and the 90k reserve.

[@jebeda]

I think how it is supposed to work is that the buyer is charged $86,000 + 5% (86000+ 86000*05)= $90,300 and then the seller is given their reserve price ($90,000), so BAT would only net $300 for this type of sale. Maybe if they had kept quiet and sent in a cheque for $90,300, the "shill" would have eventually been sent the cheque for $90,000. Because BAT found out about it they probably just charged him for the 5% commission as a fine. The 5% commission may well have been less than any taxes or transfer fees or commissions that Doug would charge that would have needed to have been paid in order to do a "legitimate" sale.

[@switchcars]

Good question. In order for the seller (us) to receive the $4k delta, we have to confirm with BaT that the buyer paid for the car and a sale took place. That didn't happen, and I wasn't about to lie to BaT.

[@FlightX101]

"Can you call Bring a trailer and like.....handle it?" Lmao the NERVE of some people man...........

[@Shawn-Leider]

There’s gotta be a way to stop these bidders driving things up. I’d say make all accounts get verified with banking info. One acct per address. And then all bidders should be watched for suspicious activity and accounts that do that should be banned. At least make people goto decent lengths to stop it, but it won’t happen because most companies profit off it. And most car collectors like cars going up in value.

[@GenXPertChannel]

Easy for you to tell the company to go to great lengths and expense to do what, exactly? It's an auction, you don't have to bid. in the end, unless someone screws up and buys their own car, the final bidders are people spending the amount they are comfortable with.

[@Mark-vn7et]

Can somebody please explain to me how in the hell would you be spending 100k on a car just based on some pictures? I mean for example when I look at a nice car it has no imperfections in the paint, but if my buddy looks at it who is a car detailer he would say it looks trashed. You can’t see that on pictures

[@richardtodorov]

BaT has had artificial pumping for years. Just look at the pre pandemic M3 prices

[@craigjorgensen4637]

You need this guy out of your life!

[@ajdahun]

why? He's helping to create content.

[@wclark3196]

Shills should be ground for fertilizer.

[@willmtaylor]

Such a great story.

[@qwertykeyboardwarrior]

Some times you punish yourself so much you don't need to be punished by others

[@Saki630]

great story about how a businessman keeps those with mental health issues in contacts for consistent cash flow.

[@kilianconn5091]

Notice how his eyes drift off when he says "I don't participate in shill bidding."

[@brettconv83]

Oh yes. I’ve met people like this guy before. You run far, far away.

[@johndonovan7018]

this shit is rampant on ebay

[@eastpajeeper7990]

Some people's kids

[@tkskagen]

How disgusting... 🤮

[@whollymindless]

They should have made him actually buy it and pay the taxes as well.

[@rinrevo]

LMAO that is DEFINITELY not how manipulation works wtf

[@ashp5406]

Remember watching your podcast live when you narrated it first.

[@refreshmyride]

I got nowhere else to say this but im not paying $19/month for youtube bro

[@crispy-k]

Firing the guy 2 times kinda tells me that you're not the smartest one... That being said, you're just in it for the money, so it's understandable that you keep working with him. Rich people work with other rich people to get richer, whether they are "good or bad" people. Money is key. Always amazed at how unintelligent yet rich, rich people can be.

[@jasonstephens8605]

Doug and Rabbit are my top 2!!!

[@cobra281]

Hopefully that keeps him from breathing down your neck, Doug. Great story - appreciate the knowledge on how BaT works!

[@eflanagan1921]

Deals with guy knowing he's shady.And puts his rep on lime and walks it back with BAT just lower level weasel imo.

[@jacksmith8002]

clients like that are assholes and should be fired immediately

[@HeyZeus915]

This story is hilarious; i would have lost my shit.

[@Califoryan]

That was probably the funniest one I’ve heard. 😂

[@andrewfletcher5584]

Too funny. Just when you're going think people can't get more stupid, they go and surprise me, like this guy. Well played, Doug. Glad you didn't get screwed on that mess.

[@MrMopar426h]

If you weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day. 😂

[@noelarios9410]

I love difficult people 😂😂😂

[@jellybaby9630]

G'day Mate

[@derrickwillie4449]

Hello, how didn’t you know he wasn’t bidding?

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Lose this dudes number. Tell him next visit he's no longer welcome.