The Game Jam Fiasco - Completely Unnecessary Podcast

What happened with the Polaris GAME_JAM reality show and why did it implode? The full story here: indiestatik.com/2014/03/31/most-expensive-game-jam/
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[@TekMoliGy]

i water my plants with mt dew.. it's got what plants want.

[@s10meb95]

is your fertiliser doritos?

[@ImSquiggs]

+nate The electrolytes that plants crave!

[@JonSnowIII]

Ferguson is the kind of guy where even When he finally shuts up, you can almost Hear the guys' thoughts keep blathering, waiting to get it out...

[@AceAttorny]

But why didn't Jontron stay and help his team shoot the melons?!?

[@LizardkingMario]

Best comment. You've won youtube.

[@TooCooFoYou]

After reading about how Jon was being pressured to being in bad terms with Zoe to the point where he got pissed off, I can see why.

[@alternateA]

thank you father, for I have LOL'd in pure humor!

[@AceAttorny]

***** Which one? The Haiku one, or the GamerGod88 one?

[@AceAttorny]

***** Ah, yes. Now I recognize you.

[@DevilSurvivor69]

This is what happens when people try to insert fake drama into something that doesn't really need it to be interesting. That's why I hate all reality tv since like the year 2000. This also shows you how unprofessional Polaris and MediaMaker are out in the real world, I guess Disney didn't get what they bargained for.

[@mjohnsimon1337]

I could've sworn that people like Joe, jontron and Mark were suppose to be judges :/ Either way, this whole idea was stupid from the start if you ask me. The Pepsi guy was pretty much the final nail in the coffin when the coffin was already buried months prior...

[@GweAnakJakarta]

mjohnsimon1337 well, according to Joe, each of the competing team will be accompanied by one KZbinr, JonTron and Mark were two of them and meanwhile, Joe was set to be one of the 3 judges

[@paulsackman3122]

Reminds me of Wayne's World. "Polaris is nobody's friend. If Polaris were an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick"

[@TooCooFoYou]

Once Mountain Dew started getting involved, that's when shit started going down.

[@RaithSienar]

Don't care that this is two years later. Can't be pralines and dick, Zoey Quinn is a huge fan of dick provided it's attached to a games journalist that can give her positive coverage.

[@paulsackman3122]

you just replied to my comment from 2 years ago of a joke from waynes world to say something COMPLETELY unrelated to anything why?

[@RaithSienar]

Paul Sackman Cause I wanted to? Why are you asking? Probably cause you wanted to. Also it's not unrelated to the contents of this video (kinda) nor the statement you said.

[@paulsackman3122]

fair enough

[@jonathanarras1281]

Thanks for the ten years Pat! We love it all

[@Mattquaza]

*Grabs Popcorn*

[@120starproductions]

Is there any footage from this event? I want to watch this train wreck.

[@x-hunter1965]

thanks for covering this pat i was really interested about this when i heard about it a few days ago but wasn't really clear on what happened and after watching this I am. Great fuckin podcast episode. I love these podcasts please keep them coming

[@reetodd9103]

" programmers in the mist" I lost it.

[@RyanKentBarnhart]

These stupid dramatic reality shows are the main reason why I stopped watching TV. Vote with your feet people, stop watching them!

[@Tentacle]

The Game_Jam sounds like the average week on Phil Fish’s twitter.

[@tigresuave11]

From what I've read and heard about this, they cannot place the blame solely on Mattie's head. Believe it or not, these people clearly knew what they were doing when they hired him, and the only reason it didn't continue is because the devs didn't allow it. Of course all of the production crew members are going to apologize after the fact and everyone is going to shift the blame on him, it's damage control. However, the fact is that everyone on the production side saw what was happening and did nothing. If the devs hadn't fought back, there would be no apologies, just business as usual. These aren't benevolent companies that are really concerned about human welfare, they were all about the money. Yes, Mattie was a jerk, but I refuse to believe that he just came out of left field and none of these people knew what was going to happen ot that they would have stopped it of their own volition.

[@SpookySkellyGurl]

Pat looks so young. it's only been three years!

[@garrettfranzen1580]

Excellent Podcast guys.

[@mandu9520]

Come on and slam, and welcome to the jam Come on and slam, if you wanna jam

[@ipeeonyourxbox]

You know you're watching a clip from an older podcast when you see Ian wearing his hoodie over his head

[@soberiffic]

Ian and pat keep up the good work, I enjoy everything yall do!

[@VelcroZippers]

I agree, this format is very fun to watch. I liked your helmet by the way Dave, go Potzilla lol.

[@ocoolwow]

Thanks for the video!

[@gamepopper101]

You guys should look into Super Game Jam, that one is a series where in each episode, two indie developers work together to make a game in two days.

[@CubeSketches]

I missed those long video podcasts

[@000Gua000]

20:55 If you're still interested in that theme, watch Super Game Jam. You can find it on Steam.

[@rileyhogan5676]

i actually worked at a wedding with two caterers. I work at a catering hall and one really big jewish wedding had an outside caterer come in. It was a complete nightmare. The kitchen was crowded and and had too much equipment. I couldn't breathe and they had no cohesion. 2nd worst working experience with my company.

[@gearyt2355]

Riley Hogan I worked in the catering business myself, and had a similar situation, we shared the kitchen with a group of people who worked at the bar, they didn't do any washing up and expected us to wash all of their used jugs, our already busy jobs became much more busy due to incompetent workers.

[@rileyhogan5676]

Tom Gear i feel you. the food industry is thankless and you have to deal with so much bullshit for so little money

[@tomgear7451]

FINALLY SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS!!

[@rileyhogan5676]

I come back 5 months later and I quit this job that I'm complaining about

[@SrSacaninha]

Ian is surprisingly alive in this. I like it.

[@JoeCoolMaveric]

And Game_Jam is something that proved to me that executives involved in reality TV are completely insane.

[@jonathanrenteria1090]

This is almost like Waynes World

[@timcrouch2415]

The really sad thing is, if they wanted some natural drama, they should have just peeled off maybe 75 or 100k of that budget to give to the winning team. Like they said, most game jams aren't really competitive, but I doubt the game devs would have been that against possibly making several thousand bucks each from it. And the tension would have been automatically turned-up a bit because of the prize. Not that I would particularly want to see that (I would love to see the more documentary route, like Ian and Pat), but it is so clear and easy to understand from a reality TV perspective. That is why all these reality shows always give a big prize. A set of mountain dew lawn chairs that no one would even wan to make space for in their trunk just doesn't get the same reaction.

[@575forza]

You cant do a real housewives style show with game developers. they are generally solution based people, not problem based people. They arent the type to focus and rehash a problem and over again, especially for ratings. They are about about fixing it, and moving forward.

[@VastGameMaster]

Most Gamers may seem weird to other people that don't understand. From my experience of being a gamer, a lot of people who play videos games are actually really nice and intelligent beings who knows what they are talking about. Everyone who has choose video games as their profession ultimately had better lives because they are doing what they love to do. If they're are any chances to truly separate our differences in culture, religion, race, nation, and ideologies in order to unite the world, then the gaming industry has already demonstrated this possibility by uniting everyone who has a common interest.

[@Scuffernoose]

Don't ever stop making videos. Otherwise, I will have nothing to watch every morning on the bus. Thank you.

[@dmfrendzy2177]

I know it's late but I just wanted to note that a Mountain Dew ad played after the video for me. Hi-larious.

[@benknoblauch9125]

I notice Ian isn't clearly displaying his indie craft beer in this one.

[@ItsJustMilkISwear]

1:41 photo evidence that Jontron was the mastermind behind gamergate????

[@matthewbryant2972]

I got to go inside the place in albany ny where they make guitar hero and the boss of the place told me how much mountain dew they go through and a year supply of that stuff would save them a crazy amount of money.

[@TravisSelassieSimbawafedha]

Man I miss Ian .... I am rewatching old shows purely for Ian quips.

[@RememberThisShow]

a mountain dew ad played during this video. lol

[@segaofmyhouse]

This is a real late 90s WCW situation.

[@shleeve]

hey, I knew nothing about this but I enjoyed the discussion. :)

[@fu886]

The last GGJ in Jerusalem was awesome,no idea why people want to see reality of people write boring code and iterating through idea really fast as you can't bring in this format the main thing that great about Game jam which is participating in the brainstorming and see how it come to life from your own work and see how you changed and added to it.

[@vampifrog]

But was there a Santa Clause?

[@Kronikman07]

Ian really seems like he doesn't have the patience to wait for pat to talk.

[@ImSquiggs]

It's like getting called up to the bigs... you got to start playing like a major league ball player. - Ian 2014

[@np02058]

if you want to know what a game jam is but not participate in one. just watch 48 Hour Games. its a documentary recorded during global game jams biggest jam site a few years ago.

[@grantmanor6642]

10:7 what do green lawn chairs and a trailer have to do with this? *edit:* 14:20 nevermind

[@ClockworkMan13]

The lawn chairs were part of the Mountain Dew merchandise which Matti kept shoving into the game dev's faces as they were working. Angry Joe also mentioned that they kept making him drink the soda, to an insane degree.

[@chosentonessournotes]

Also, how funny is it that they were pushing Mt Dew so hard... I'll freely admit that I enjoy Mt Dew SOMETIMES, but never in my life would I drink it on a constant basis. And not letting devs drink coffee? During a game jam? Mt Dew does NOT HAVE this LIMITLESS source of caffeine! Isn't that kind of the joke about 4chan users? That they chug Dew and have Cheeto dust on their fingers?

[@goldfox177]

I think it would have worked as reality show but not full on have the reality just be a competition to make the best game show them planning and all that. That’s it want to shoot a let’s play do it towards the end with each youtuber being the judge. Put them only on the teams to ask questions other people might have so it’s a mix of reality and documentary

[@chosentonessournotes]

Boy, who would have thought that having Markiplier and PewDiePie as part of actual game making show would be a bad idea? Great job Polaris. Maybe keep your childish figureheads out of this shit and let the actual developers work. Also, fuck the fact that they're trying to insert drama into it. It's a game jam; people who enjoy streams of people like Notch doing Ludum Dare jams are proof that people enjoy watching the work and not the competitive nature.

[@1967sluggy]

I'm amazed angry joe didn't kill Pewdiepie.

[@Pookie2112]

What is maker?

[@Noctem0RebelGamer]

good vid. u guys clash but its still good.

[@GatheringHall]

So, is there someplace you upload the entire podcast to? I'd like to listen to it while I'm working on stuff. I enjoy listening to you guys talk about shit lol (reads the description. Ha, ignore me then.)

[@Farns1984]

+DarkeraStudios I dont know what podcast this is clipped from, but I subscribe to them through the podcasts app on my iPhone.

[@Koopsyyy]

They have a patreon and if you donate you get access to their full podcasts

[@KevinTriforce]

+Koopsyyy it is on iTunes as well

[@316whatupz]

Mountain Dew Bro Fest 2014!!!! Be there or be square!!! OHH YEEAAAAHHH!!!! lol Yeah, this was a total mess of a show.

[@01Lamen]

I'm surprised that this was allowed for so long. This was such a debacle and a hell-ridden place that its almost amazing that the Pepsi guy was allowed to get away with so much of his unnecessary bs.

[@joecoolmccall]

Ian- I enjoy commentary. Mature, and thoughtful- very needed in a environment that is full of shallow youtube personalities.

[@KingDooburu]

Ironically the advertisement was mountain dew

[@chedruid]

After a hard day @ work, this podcast was perfect to listen and relax :}

[@Boogie_the_cat]

So the quest for ratings turned a previously good idea into a dumpster fire. This is why I stopped watching TV 23 years ago. That and commercials. God damn, I can't even tolerate a minute of commercials.

[@deehin3137]

He's looking at you but you're not looking at him.

[@BugsMcCoy]

David Hollingshead It's a spiltscreen, they're on separate sides of a table it looks like.

[@MarioWendorf]

Anybody been to the Mountain Dew BroFest?

[@Pookie2112]

I actually drink a shit ton of mtn dew lol

[@1337Shockwav3]

Seems like this Game_Jam thing is the american counterpart to the european Demoscene - just with games rather than demonstations, show-offs, occasionally a game or two and just random computer/videogame/electronics related stuffs. From experience I can say - it's nothing that's gonna work as a TV format - 2-3 minute long news reports, sure, maybe 10 minute mini-documentaries - but never a multi episode 45+ minute format. Even getting major sponsors on board is quite dangerous (but has worked in a few cases in the past). Pretty much an idea doomed from the start - even without all this reality show crap and forced branding.

[@NintendoPsycho]

Jon Tron and Zoe Quinn... no wonder the gaming industry is fucked.

[@SpanglesYT]

5 years later : jontron made his own Game Jam and it was done right and better than mntDew Game Jam 2014.

[@eddie1134]

JOLT COLA !!! nice name drop

[@seankiesser6356]

Man I want in on a Game Jam. I'm a writer, which means I come up with weird ideas. I completely reimagined Actraiser, combining the two SNES games, into a single completely different universe, and story, while still maintaining the original concept as a spiritual successor. Can anyone hook me up with an indie team to pitch my concept too?

[@MrSlashStudios]

I'm sorry, but there are many "idea" guys like you that aren't really useful. You should be able to make the ideas a reality.

[@seankiesser6356]

Not without a Programmer, an artist, a computer graphics artist to translate what they see on paper, and I'm sure many other things, yet the games they come up with have no Story, because they don't see a point.

[@DeyaViews]

+Sean Kiesser That's because games that start from a story have less ability to hook players, and thereby lower appeal and chances of selling well, than games that start from a gameplay angle. There are games that do story very well, but those games typically also have engaging gameplay. That's why you have designers working on games rather than scriptwriters, though the latter are typically employed for bigger budget titles (small teams typically don't have the budget for that). The only real exceptions to this are visual novels.

[@seankiesser6356]

I'm talking about basic Back story, where it's about the gameplay, but the story still makes sense.

[@madrix5667]

+Sean Kiesser Sorry to say this, but nobody will work for you. An indie dev makes the games they want to make, not build on someone else's idea.

[@dacypher22]

So interestingly enough, JonTron appears to have taken the original idea of this to heart and just today uploaded kind of his own take on this idea but without the problems with his video "Head to Head Game Jam" (that is actually what made me think about this). It really seems like that is what this competition should have been: a few comedic challenges and a humorous tone, but serious and straight-forward when it comes to the actual jam. Check out his video if you think this could have been a good idea but it was destroyed by douchery.

[@BombThrowinDrunk]

i feel so bad for those game devs they just wanted a simple documentary and they got was a video game jersey shore nobody wants that oh and seriously a years supply of mountain dew for all thhat shit they have to put up with its like people still think we are all comic book guy

[@Munich22100]

Matti what?

[@foufoufun]

I don't even like Mt Dew. I like Doritos though.

[@chosentonessournotes]

There's nothing wrong with Doritos! Cooler Ranch will always be one of my favorite chip flavors ever.

[@dianesmith3118]

Doritos are fucking disgusting. I was on a plane next to a greasy kid who had this big bag of Doritos and just the smell of them made me go to the bathroom and throw up. No joke.

[@Clay3613]

You're trash.

[@tomsmchole6766]

he's drinking he dew bro

[@ducciboi]

I started looking into this and it seems that Zoe Quinn completely lied about them being forced to always have the Mountain Dew cans on display. Conspired with her team to put them in every shot and purposely shoving them at the camera before being told to stop. Makes you think what else she lied or exaggerated about since we only heard their side of the story.

[@personeater2664]

Are you guys really making shit up because someone you don’t like was mentioned in a 7 year old video

[@popup323]

Wayne's world style advertisement.

[@dustinb419]

Mountain Dew is MY life blood. XD

[@Raymoundish]

Pat, you have to let him talk!

[@hitman415707]

so like a hackathon

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[@spiderjerusalem100]

As soon as they revealed that it was going to be a reality show they should have walked away.

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

To be fair, that's a common trapping. They don't call it "reality television", reality TV is something that the newspapers, news shows and tabloids came up with. Very often they use the fancier term of "documentary television". From what I undrestand of the story, it started out a lot like a documentary film about a game jam. Then the one public relations asshole came (Mark something, I blank on his name every time) and that's when the show started to become a goofy, fake, stereotypical reality TV show.

[@AyyDraws]

Drinking Mountain Dew? What about Doritos?

[@AyyDraws]

skinny720 Also how must it have sucked when they got sick from all the Moutain Dew...?

[@000Gua000]

0:40 Fun - Yes. Relaxed - No.

[@lexingowzu]

I think this happened because nobody put there foot down until it was far too late.

[@rtkiiiprod]

I'm not understanding what the big deal is. I'm not saying it is right or a good idea but all those people involved had a choice to sign up for this.

[@AtomicToyRobot]

I was interested in seeing this until I heard Zoe Quins name

[@wcthesecret]

…what the fuck is he doing with his arms?

[@InternetLobster]

Everything I've heard about JonTron is good. He's apparently a super cool dude. I'm not surprised, honestly. He's good people from what I've heard.

[@UndeadSlayer5]

THIS IS BS why can't we see actually footage of the MDGJ

[@1967sluggy]

Because they realised that the fiasco would be too obvious, and the product placement would be too obvious. They also probably made everyone sign something that said only MD could show it.

[@ericacreper2451]

one reason why makers/polaris rubs me the wrong way

[@MrB266]

God damn Polaris

[@CamsEyeView]

Man this was a train wreck of an event.

[@sneakman9873]

You guys always seem to have problems with interrupting each other.

[@jjHoss]

I guess this is what happens when big business tries to manipulate intelligent people into being the kind of grasping fame-hungry aggressive morons that populate most reality shows. Thanks for reporting it :)

[@edgarherrera5639]

Is captainsparklez in the picture

[@crystalk4998]

I think so, so was Markiplier in another. Poor guys...

[@TooCooFoYou]

Crystal K Imagine how the girls felt.

[@MrJholshouser41]

Hah, JonTromit seems can't.

[@circularmalevolence]

Zoe Quinn deserved to have her "Career" destroyed.

[@StrikeTeam99]

That rebel game jam well happen any day now... yup any day now

[@Rountree1985]

Shut the Fuck up

[@Pookie2112]

I don't understand advertising for soda who is not buying that shit that already knows the brands its like toilet paper

[@kuroibuta]

Sorry but I couldn't stop watching those twitching fingers.

[@segaofmyhouse]

I can't stop looking at Ians shaky knees.

[@jakebryant3445]

Mountain Dew is a Sprite knockoff.

[@olivertaylor7247]

+Jake Bryant (JBryant) And sprite is a 7-UP ripoff

[@TekMoliGy]

what kind of weirdos drink stuff other than mt dew?

[@JLConawayII]

I guess this is what happens when you combine infinite greed, absolute cluelessness and the idea that the bottom 1% somehow set the standard for our entire society. Gee, let's take this great productive thing and turn it into Honey Boo Boo. What, it failed? What a surprise.

[@pluperw]

maker studio will be the cancer of youtube.

[@murrowboy]

Angry Joe only named him a "stupid producer". Naming people is crossing the line but that's just my opinion. You didn't need to say to the world he's a consultant for pepsi that does not work directly for the company. Poor game developers that had to put up with this! I am sure getting fired for doing exactly what you were hired to do then being named pubically along with your prior title in the company is worse.