I couldn't ever imagine the guilt I'd feel knowing a replica of myself is in darkness, scared and alone while I'm in a paradise of theoretical ever lasting happiness.
@averyleier76344 жыл бұрын
well keep in mind Simon still had no idea what a "transfer" meant or at the very least fully entailed, and so, at that moment he fully believed he was getting properly transfered to the ark and so thats what the new copy of Simon fully believes in at that moment on the ark(that he is the one and true Simon and that there isn't one down in the sea trapped forever) it just shows you a Simon where he realizes what's happened and then shows a Simon that truly believes he is the only copy left
@elheber4 жыл бұрын
I'm certain Simon knew a Simon would be left behind, he just didn't expect the one left behind would be him. After playing I went on a Let's Play binge, and after so many rewatches it's strongly hinted that he knew but chose to suppress it. He was the one to say "like the pilot seat at Omicron." He knew. He just thought he would carry over like every single other time since his coin flips had always landed on heads for him -so to speak.
@averyleier76344 жыл бұрын
@@elheber without a question Simon knew, but the coin flip is just as real as the spoon from the matrix lol, the only reason he wins the coin flip so to speak, is so the story can go on and conclude
@elheber4 жыл бұрын
@@averyleier7634 It's only natural he would think he'd carry over. Even if the player wasn't around to follow one of them for the story, Omicron Simon always had won the coin toss.
@JCarterDammit4 жыл бұрын
@@elheber there is no "coin toss". It's the perspective of the player.
@dumpydumpy75144 жыл бұрын
The “last human on earth” scene is likely one of the most underrated pieces of video game storytelling.
@quw15563 жыл бұрын
It honestly brought tears to my eyes
@mcchickenbaptistchurch.org23 жыл бұрын
Because its hard to do right
@colemanwalsh74773 жыл бұрын
The whole story of the game is the best example of story telling in video game history I've watched the whole playthrough of this game years before I watched this video and even then I thought the same thing
@YourstruelyLoL3 жыл бұрын
I think that’s because the ending overshadows it
@EchoYoutube3 жыл бұрын
Because inevitably it will happen
@mrhappytroll4 жыл бұрын
The way that catherine talks whenever simon yells makes me so sad
@daltonbedore83964 жыл бұрын
he is kind of a stupid dick
@tabbigus4 жыл бұрын
@@daltonbedore8396 I mean he is kinda confused bc he woke up as a robot
@ExiledGobbo4 жыл бұрын
It's how a human would react, and while it makes us feel bad. We are showing sympathy for a character that exists in fiction, and making them human in our eyes. If even for just a moment, which really drives home what Zygart covered in this video.
@teslacoil53784 жыл бұрын
@@daltonbedore8396 As Tabbigus said, he woke as a robot seemingly right after he got his brain scanned so I think I'd be a stupid asshole too lmao. That shit sounds scary
@joppek774 жыл бұрын
The voice actors did a damn fine job.
@XMrChicagoX2 жыл бұрын
For a second I was like “why didn’t Katherine finish the upload before the ark launched to make sure that they made it to the ark before they launched?” But then it came to me, the Simon that was left behind would probably keep canceling the launch because it knew it was going to be left behind. Perpetually leaving the ark stranded under the water for eternity. Katherine needed to make the upload finish at the last second to prevent it from being cancelled by the Simon that was left behind.
@casualgamer817 Жыл бұрын
Jesus fucking Christ
@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 Жыл бұрын
Catherine should consider herself happy that she found a dumb dumb like Simon, who till the end didn't quite grasp the concept of memory copying.
@rareELL Жыл бұрын
Whoa
@MidorikoSenpai9 ай бұрын
that honestly is mind blowing
@RosesTeaAndASD8 ай бұрын
She knew Simon was a legacy scan. He was a prototype brain scan - everyone had probably used his scan at least once. Catherine would have used his scan countless times to perfect her ARK. Catherine lied by omission so much to Simon that when he was excited to see her at the end, it just felt saddening.
@PumpkinPain3 жыл бұрын
Why is the voice acting so top notch tho? When she almost cries while being yelled at? I FELT THAT
@Dracomandriuthus3 жыл бұрын
Same
@axethannanth3 жыл бұрын
e
@connah61613 жыл бұрын
@Justin Mason *you're
@meltedWax1693 жыл бұрын
@@connah6161 chad
@connah61613 жыл бұрын
@@meltedWax169 cool
@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK3 жыл бұрын
The way Catherine deflects Simon's questions and changes the subject when he talks about being a robot suggests that at some point, after a while the realisation causes insanity when they realise what they are and start thinking about it. Every single robot you meet is insane, Simon is 'fresh' so to speak. Catherine wants to make the most of the time they have to launch the ark.
@ryanw4593 жыл бұрын
Now that’s just majorly fucked up 😫
@Bequester3 жыл бұрын
Well I reckon, that like any mind it would take time to become insane, like years of doing the same stuff, so it's not really a matter of time as it is a matter of not answer a tough question.
@XxRubenYoxX3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanw459 I dunno man, she still saved him, at least in a way, it is just a same he did not get to die with her down there
@wilmagregg31313 жыл бұрын
yes but simon can also by player choice embrace transhumanism or basically is able to think hopefully about his existence instead of feeling dread or a loss of person hood but simon likely will go mad like all the others trapped on earth while his latest self lives in a digital ending
@brennanlable3 жыл бұрын
@@Bequester Catherine could have been trying this for many years before simon. using the other people to complete certine projects to make the push for the ark possible, or could have constantly been rebooting Simon like the other guy over and over until he finally got it right or didn't go insane. maybe some of those robots were simons too. our perception of time in a situation like this is completely moot at this point. the last human alive thought that she wasn't even 30 yrs old and thats obviously not true. a million years could pass between catherine booting you up and shutting you down and you wouldn't even know the difference.
@hshawnynvr9703 жыл бұрын
SOMA kinda gives the quote “there are fates worse then death” more realistic depending on how you look at it
@Kushufy3 жыл бұрын
The worst part is they could've easily made this much more depressing and horrifying. They were holding back a ton so the players wouldn't get too bummed out
@abcd1234328023 жыл бұрын
@@Kushufy flip
@Xelets3 жыл бұрын
Your loved ones dying
@abcd1234328023 жыл бұрын
@@Kushufy for me the fact that you lose Catherine makes it so bleak
@guy60743 жыл бұрын
@@abcd123432802 where does she go? I don’t understand why she went away at the end
@Pork-Chop-Suey2 жыл бұрын
The creepiest part was when Simon heard the other Simon in the room behind him.
@zachary50382 жыл бұрын
catherine? why was he still talking??
@charliemurdergoat123692 жыл бұрын
what time does that happen
@arbitrarilyentertainment85532 жыл бұрын
@@charliemurdergoat12369 50:16
@steelbear20632 жыл бұрын
And still was too dumb to understand
@HugoStiglitz882 жыл бұрын
What bothers me is why did neither of them think to copy Catherine? At least that way that Simon would have someone to talk to This whole game would be so much less depressing if there were robots or whatever, together and holding conversations like Simon and Catherine. To me, that's not a terrible existence.
@colindragan93524 жыл бұрын
It's really weird how the ending is simultaneously happy and sad. Really makes you realize how strange the "same person in two places" thing is
@elheber4 жыл бұрын
The choices (killing the WAU or not, killing the humans left behind, erasing the scans, etc.) are all about The Continuity in the end. "Should you leave a crippled, doomed version of yourself behind while you continue?" The sum of all those choices is what you think about the end... A copy of humanity/earth can continue, but what should happen to the original, crippled, doomed humanity... Should you mercy kill that doomed earth?
@SETHthegodofchaos3 жыл бұрын
@@elheber yeah this part was completely left out of this video. There is even more to this game.
@wilmagregg31313 жыл бұрын
@@elheber to me id say allow them to live because there is a chance of something new the earth is going mars level baren in soma the WAU is the last chance at life on earth and all the ai while suffering may regain consciouness or the WAU might finish its ai research and create perfect sapient ai copies like simon basically my view is its better to leave them alive rather then have NOTHING be alive because then at least theres a SMALL chance at a future
@zarrowthehorse3 жыл бұрын
The ending was garbage. Simon suddenly had amnesia out of nowhere. How is that possible? How does he suddenly forget that there is a "coin toss". The ending ruined the game for me
@SETHthegodofchaos3 жыл бұрын
@Queen Court honestly, I do think that a scientific approach (even if close to just try-and-error) will still result in better results faster than what evolution itself would produce. Its not like evolution itself offers any less suffering. We only saw the first few prototypes of what could have been a long lifetime of the WAU. Do we really judge the WAU for its first baby steps where it had limited resources and thus options available to it? The WAU had to deal with a dilemma. And for what it archieved in such a short time and limited resources is actually kind of impressive when you think about it. I think we prematurely would be shutting it down. Simon was the best example for a first breakthrough. What else could the WAU have created shortly afterwards?
@fuyutupx14374 жыл бұрын
The saddest part is that Simon didn't have to be alone in the end. Catherine's cortex chip overloaded at the Omega Space Gun due to digital stress because of the fight with Simon.
@Megatonaxe4 жыл бұрын
There was also his clone higher up he could of been friends with.
@jet100a4 жыл бұрын
I mean simon is under a lot of stress and he doesn't explode, I think it has more to do with the power going out possibly.
@jnoirj31244 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it is possible for him to somehow get back to the other body and install Catherine into it.
@Enderplays124 жыл бұрын
@@jet100a Simon has a body. Catherine is in a high tech can opener
@Foreverredlips4 жыл бұрын
@@jet100a No, Catherine's overload is mentioned before in the game as a possibility, mainly for being inside the Omnitool, that's why Simon isn't under the same danger of just overloading and exploding.
@bijdikh85164 жыл бұрын
SOMA is just one of those games you buy because it's on sale, and then you finish it ending up with an existential crisis.
@drakeevans80424 жыл бұрын
@Sezm that was me playing Bioshock for the first time the box cover looked cool so I got it thinking it was just another survival horror shooter with a steampunk look. Boy was I wrong the story the characters the twist the world the lore it was amazing. Probably my favorite game of all time.
@donaldtrump99654 жыл бұрын
Yes if you want to dread life just find edith finch...
@TrentTheWanderer4 жыл бұрын
@Sezm It's a more intimate and closer to home experience than soma, but an examination of human nature with a similarly horrific result.
@donaldtrump99654 жыл бұрын
@Sezm this game is the only game that i would never want to play again but is at the same time one of the most awesome and creative games ever. I would only reccomend it to you if you are not a parent or else this game will haunt you for months. The only game that made me break down in tears and i played nearly everything.
@ChilupaKing4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that ending messed me up. To know people have died alone and...yeah, I need to watch a puppy video or something
@j1543263 жыл бұрын
The part of this game that broke me, was when Sarah said, "At least I won't have to turn 30." She was in her 20's, she died so young, in so much pain.
@ataarono2 жыл бұрын
Now Imagine all those thousands of 17-20 year olds running off the landing boats at D-Day into the machine gun spray of death and you gain some perspective on human suffering ;)
@j1543262 жыл бұрын
@@ataarono Now imagine letting people feel things without having to minimize their perspective so you can feel special.
@ataarono2 жыл бұрын
@@j154326 Imagine letting people feel special without shaming them so you can feel morally superior
@j1543262 жыл бұрын
@@ataarono Imagine me giving a shit. I made a comment about the emotional impact of a scene from modern media, you had to act like a spoiled 5 year old who wasn't getting enough attention, but hey, guess no one is allowed to show or comment on emotion because people died storming the beaches of Normandy.
@drhater23182 жыл бұрын
Earthen Deific Why you pissed lol he’s completely right. Many people undermine what happened that day just because they weren’t alive. Also in what way does pointing that out make him special?
@antoniocorte-real63504 жыл бұрын
Catherine knew exactly was going to happen and she knew Simon wouldn't get it and that he would think HE was going to be transferred on to the ark. she let him think that and i dont think it was entirely just to have him do what she needed. i think she wanted to give the Simon who went on the ark peace of mind. to think they made it and not feel guilty for leaving another version of him down there. it's why she rigged the scan and the launch at the same time even though it wasn't necessary. up until the last second he believed he was going to be transferred to the ark, that concept carried over and the Simon on the ark will always believe that. at least he'll be happy. this game still has me thinking
@AedanTheGrey4 жыл бұрын
@luvin zel "Fuck the game/character because I refuse to understand it." Nice take. Catherine did what was best. She let Simon believe his stupidity. You're trying to treat consciousness as *just* data in a harddrive to move around. The game makes it clear that each consciousness created by the scan is a new individual from the moment it wakes up. Diverging paths and minds. You copy the data available but you can't just fry the mind thats left in the chair and pretend the split never happened. That's what the whole suicide cult in the station was doing. "Cutting" the original data so it was just a transfer. There is no coin toss, there is no gaming the system to be the only "one" version.
@AedanTheGrey4 жыл бұрын
@luvin zel Did you miss the whole last section where I addressed the Cut and paste shite you bitched about? Or did you get distracted by deciding to bitch some more and be a dick on top of it?
@AedanTheGrey4 жыл бұрын
@luvin zel And there we go with insults and lulz. Fuck off, troll.
@Ragarnoy04 жыл бұрын
@luvin zel sorry but if you look at the very low level, cut and paste is just copy and paste and delete. That's why for instance if you cancel a cut and paste you're just reverting the copy. The machine just copies the bits of the first file and writes them somewhere. When it's done it clears all the bits of the first file. There's nothing special about the original file and it doesn't "keep" any property by cutting and pasting or drag and dropping.
@Ragarnoy04 жыл бұрын
@luvin zel Sometimes the system will simply move the address of the file instead of making a copy of the whole file. In this case this isn't like you would move an object in the real world. Let's say the folder is a street and the file is a house and you want the same house in another street, in the case of a copy and paste you now need to make a copy of the house in the new street, but for the cut and paste what happens is the system simply renames the street to the name of the targeted street.
@HallowIsSmol4 жыл бұрын
"Simon, you lost the coin toss, we both did" hits you in the gut edit, a year later: i have seen the comments saying it wasnt a coin toss. cool! but the emotional impact of that scene doesnt change. its still upsetting. its still sad. its sad that there was- or maybe wasnt- any chance to go with your consciousness. thats sad. i dont really care about the technicalities.
@AosorarisuUnedited4 жыл бұрын
Pshh, there wasn't even a coin toss. Nothing changed for them here, there is just a new one there now. New data in the drive that is a person.
@BlackWingGenesis4 жыл бұрын
The coin toss is just a coping mechanism. There is no coin toss.
@ceu1601934 жыл бұрын
@@BlackWingGenesis "Coin toss" is metaphor for point of view. You can either end up with point of view of your scan, and live on...or with point of view of you old self and die.
@RequiemPoete3 жыл бұрын
@@AosorarisuUnedited There is a distinct illusion of a coin toss though. While obviously which ever body you are physically in is never going to change, when you sit in the pilot chair being scanned there is an unknown element. Are you the memories in the old body, or the memories being copy/pasted into the new hard drive? That there is the coin toss. Like the zealots said, in that brief moment you exist in two places at once and are identical to each other. Again, there's no real coin toss the Simon that sits down in the pilot chair is the one getting back up, and he's an idiot for not realizing this the first damned time.
@johntrains13173 жыл бұрын
This never made sense to me. There isn't one conscious switching between two bodies. There is one, and it becomes two. Both are conscious both are separate. But granted this does sound like some shit people would find hope in in such a Fucking desperate horrific situation.
@quicksilvermad4 жыл бұрын
Amy saying "I want to go home" hurt so much to hear
@ILoveIce-Cream_3 жыл бұрын
The voice acting in this game is beyond amazing
@spethmanjones29973 жыл бұрын
Whoah I randomly skipped ahead in this video to _exactly_ that part while reading this comment :o
@huntereyeofdarkwood54173 жыл бұрын
I feel the «it WAS» realy hits the nail
@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace3 жыл бұрын
I stared at the "Disable" button on the life support unit for what felt like forever.
@r011ing_thunder63 жыл бұрын
It was like something a kid would say. Really sad
@BuckBlaziken2 жыл бұрын
This whole game gives me strong “I have no mouth, but I must scream” novella vibes
@gothlesbian73492 жыл бұрын
YESSSS IT DOES
@emilymikeska5679 Жыл бұрын
i thought that the minute I heard about an AI controlling everything. At least they're in paradise.
@thesilver7238 Жыл бұрын
@@emilymikeska5679 A virtual paradise with no further purpose or goal. So unless an alien civilization somehow finds The Ark and tries to bring back humans using their genetic code (which I believe The Ark has), humanity is virtually extinct.
@clard Жыл бұрын
@@thesilver7238 another terrifying thought is the computers eventual decay while the arc has been made to be as stable and strong as possible, radiation , asteroids and other possible threats as it careens through space means they’ll disappear one day without warning, and what data they carried could get corrupted and the last instance of humanity could fizzle out
@bassplayer2011ify3 ай бұрын
I'm not 100 percent sure but I think the team at Frictional sited I have no mouth, but I must scream as inspiration for Soma. And its constantly brought up when people are asking for books or films related to Soma.
@douglas49343 жыл бұрын
That’s it. From now on, I’m never going to copy and paste files again.
@Roadent12413 жыл бұрын
Have fun recreating everything from scratch when your computer dies.
@toolatetothestory3 жыл бұрын
The files don't feel. They don't even simulate feeling. It's okay.
@pugasaurusrex82533 жыл бұрын
@@toolatetothestory Do they story? Do they?
@toolatetothestory3 жыл бұрын
@@pugasaurusrex8253 I am pretty sure they don't, yes.
@RemHayden18063 жыл бұрын
@@toolatetothestory but what if they do but we just never knew?
@sunofsotep82654 жыл бұрын
Somehow, even with all the hints, and blatant contradictions along the way, I, like Simon, thought he'd literally get on to The Ark too. I cheered when it shot off like him, and slumped down as the full weight of reality set in. How this game brought me so far along, for 18 hours of play, and still fed me just enough to maintain my naivety, I'll never know, but I'm glad I remained ignorant to the end, like Simon. Beautifully done!
@aru33roll4 жыл бұрын
I was in the same boat as you. I though Simon would literally get on the ARK. I often imagine how it wouldve been if they fliped the endings. Like, they would first show that Simon got on the Ark, everything went fine, and he meets with Catherin and the credits roll. We, the player, are all happy, that we came along with this amazing journey and finally succeeded. And just as the credits end, we see the real ending, the Simon that was left behind. All alone. That wouldve been super fucked
@tidalboxer4 жыл бұрын
The game and our own experiences and thoughts about video games set it up for to think how you did. It does it on purpose to shock us into seeing the other reality. It’s really good at hiding that fact of the copy and coin toss.
@masterzoroark66644 жыл бұрын
Catherine lied about the coinflip to make him feel better and get him to move on to launching the Ark.
@ademturan71374 жыл бұрын
U know whats horrible about this? Simon 4 thinks that he is Simon 3 and that he went to the arc. Simon 4 doesnt know that Simon 3 is still sitting in the Abyss... all alone.
@Steror4 жыл бұрын
@@ademturan7137 It would be more horrible for Simon 4 if he did know. But we as the audience have to deal with it.
@ComfyGrapes3 жыл бұрын
The voice acting in this game is just top notch.
@Lifemaxxerrs2 жыл бұрын
I never realised how damn good the voice acting in this game is, they all did a great job to make the experience feel even more real and immersive
@Azzaroth3 жыл бұрын
"I wanna go home" f*cking killed me. Like..it genuinely made me wanna stop playing, or find a different way to do the puzzle. I felt so bad for doing that to her. Cheers to the voice actor, she did stellar.
@veru69073 жыл бұрын
do you mean not kill her? you could have spared her, but given the ending there was no saving her
@crassiewassie83543 жыл бұрын
@@veru6907 it would've left earth simon someone to talk to
@Meowblivion3 жыл бұрын
@@crassiewassie8354 true, that was a misstep
@anglepsycho3 жыл бұрын
I wish you could tell her that she will be home and that her suffering will finally end before you literally pull the plugs. It hurts so much to see her in agony yet not wanting to die knowing it could end at last.
@veru69073 жыл бұрын
@@crassiewassie8354 true, but she was already almost dead, i dont think there would be much to talk to, and also she was stuck in one place
@CeramicQuill3 жыл бұрын
I am confused how this game makes me feel genuinely hurt inside. It's so sad, and authentic. I think if I played this in VR, it would have really messed me up all the more.
@AutumnGracy3 жыл бұрын
The concept of playing this game in VR sounds more horrifying than the entire game by itself tbh
@LyriczBeast3 жыл бұрын
I'd love this in vr i need it now
@JixDoesGaming3 жыл бұрын
I own a PSVR if this game ever comes out I will 100% get it
@moth87753 жыл бұрын
@You Done Messed Up You're making no fucking sense
@chasemman3 жыл бұрын
@@moth8775 Exactly like wth 🤦♂️
@wapowman3 жыл бұрын
You want to know what’s ironic? Sarah, the one, final person on Earth, the loneliest character in the entire game, sat next to the entirety of mankind the entire time.
@Moz293 жыл бұрын
Were they really mankind? Or just ai copies?
@moustacheman91763 жыл бұрын
@@Moz29 Yeah, they were still human minds, it's the same as cloning a person
@Moz293 жыл бұрын
@@moustacheman9176 But they aren’t the same, isn’t that why the main character struggled with his identity? He knew his mind didn’t fit his new body etc. With clones that problem isn’t as obvious.
@yooooo86003 жыл бұрын
I killed Sarah though because why the fuck wouldn't you
@moustacheman91763 жыл бұрын
@@Moz29 Just because they aren't the same person doesn't mean they aren't a person
@izzy4bitney3 жыл бұрын
I work with the dementia patients on a daily basis. Dementia is the umbrella term for any mental degradation that affects 2 or more brain functions (logic, memory, etc). The scariest part of this game for me are the parallels to aging/dementia, especially memory loss. I have shown a woman a video of herself (recorded 2 years prior) and she didn't recognize herself or her own daughter in the film. Loved ones of dementia patients often say that "They are not themselves anymore". I have met and aided patients for 6 years and watched them decline. I don't have a loved one close to me that has dementia yet, my parents and grandmother are safe so far, but I dread the day they look me in the eye and don't know my name. At what point during that mental unraveling do they cease to be them? Do they feel it? Do they recognize that they're slowly slipping? Or do they have moments of lucidity at which point they can look in a mirror and realize they have new wrinkles and age marks that only form over time, time that they don't remember? Some patients are the former, others the latter. Some people get mentally "stuck" at a certain age. A 82yo female can look in a mirror and ask how she should do up her hair for her first day in high-school. Pointing out her physical appearance does nothing, she believes she is 14. It's terrifying. It keeps me up at night. The idea that this organic machine that keeps my brain fed and floating could break down at any moment is terrifying. This game encapsulates all of this. For all the power that humanity has, for all our medicine and knowledge, the only thing we know for sure is what we perceive. I think I'm sitting on my bed at 1am writing a bunch of existential dread into a comment section. Am I? Or am I laying in a nursing home staring at the ceiling and reliving this one moment because this game and this video was profound enough to survive to the very end? Well?
@mikicerise6250 Жыл бұрын
I've seen this up close as well. Close enough that the game doesn't scare me at all really. No fiction is scarier than reality in this case, I'm afraid. The brain is a very rickety little piece of augmented reality machinery, and when it goes awry, it really goes awry.
@AspynDotZip Жыл бұрын
My great grandma had dementia and would frequently forget her son and damn near kick him out the room, but almost always remembered her grandson even though he was years older than her memory of him. I can't imagine how my grandad felt going through that every visit and growing up with those memories really influenced the way i think about memory and immortality now. Rationally I wouldn't want to live a long life if I'm no longer able to have a meaningful existence, but what if i can't even realize I'm living a life i don't deem meaningful? Or if I'm living a life that's only meaningful to others around me and not to myself?
@3playerpolitics Жыл бұрын
@@mikicerise6250Well even if it doesn't measure up, at least the game awakens many thousands more people to these ideas and concepts.
@needy3535 Жыл бұрын
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE!!
@matthewglenguir7204 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. I'm curious what you would think with Clive Wearing's case. He suffers in not being able to remember anything besides his wife.
@FumblsTheSniper4 жыл бұрын
Them: “Video games aren’t art.” Soma: “Hold my robo-tentacle.”
@michaelwilson51143 жыл бұрын
Nier Automata: "Hold my android butt"
@ED-yy4te3 жыл бұрын
Who said that? Video games are the combinations of all known art forms.
@ED-yy4te3 жыл бұрын
@@UberNoodle Sorry, don't know who that was.if 3D modelling are crafts, then the same can be said to Michelangelo's statues.
@night19523 жыл бұрын
Soma isn't the best example of video games as art. It's basically a walking sim and this story would work perfectly in a different medium.
@thuanantythieu27643 жыл бұрын
You can see Video games as art if you want but to me, Video games aren't art cause they're something more special than art.
@SpookyEggs4 жыл бұрын
Basically, soma is the cautionary tale about copy pasting files instead of just moving them.
@WingMaster5624 жыл бұрын
Moving is just cut and paste. Cutting and pasting from a different drive to another would require copying, then deleteing the copy. Moving things on the same drive is just changing pointers, not cut is done.
@JCarterDammit4 жыл бұрын
@@WingMaster562 Good point. Essentially it is the same thing happening in the story. There really is no such thing as "moving" data is there... there's copying, and then there's copying and deleting the original data.
@thatguy71554 жыл бұрын
Can't belive this game make me sad about the innocent text file i deleted for fun
@skwagskateswag4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking while watching this that might have been a source of inspiration for this story. Funny something so small like that can have such a deep impact on me.
@szeltovivarsydroxan99443 жыл бұрын
You still think you can "move" data? Oh, my sweet summer child...
@jessielee80553 жыл бұрын
i am SOBBING right now at this like actually SOBBING when i heard his screams at the end realizing that there was a version of him happy yet, he was stuck there and then when everything shut down and he was yelling oh my god it killed me
@mrmal85323 жыл бұрын
for me, when catherine disconnected and Simon said 'I don't want to be alone' really hits me hard 😭
@cryojudgement23763 жыл бұрын
I love these comments cause the story only gets richer when people mention an aspect you didnt pick up on the first time. Like you saying everything shutdown I thought it to be the story fading out for the viewer, but you helped me realize it was the WOW shutting Pathos down because it completed its protocol of preservinng humanity, now that the ark has launched successfully the pathos location no longer requires power and Simon is left alone with his thoughts and what are essentially floating corpses speaking with the voice of a king gone person. And if you left the other Simon alive you have the discomfort of knowing both are left to roam this graveyard till they too become ghosts. And theres no ligt or air or temperature regulation.
@LyriczBeast3 жыл бұрын
Yea its pretty effed up stuff XD
@user-zh7th2ge1c3 жыл бұрын
The fact that simon forgot how the transfer works AGAIN makes me think he will be happy in the arc forgetting that there are versions of him, atleast one, living alone for as long as there arent ways to end their life.
@ataarono2 жыл бұрын
Ignorance can be bliss?
@bobbys98532 жыл бұрын
Thats a good point because when they did the transfer his last copy remembers seeing the launch but the old copy never went physically. Thats a crazy feeling.
@feartheghus Жыл бұрын
@@ataarono no, ignorance is the bliss of not seeing the oncoming car as you foolishly cross the street. It doesn’t make it hit you any less hard, just removes your ability to get out of the way.
@ataarono Жыл бұрын
@@feartheghus eh at least you don't see it coming
@erinys2 Жыл бұрын
but then again cath kept using words such as transfer Deliberately hiding the truth from him, atleast to an extent
@as7river3 жыл бұрын
This game made me go "YOU'VE GOT TO BE SH*TTING ME. NO, HELL NO!" multiple times throughout my first playthrough. A truly outstanding experience. It doesn't matter what you like or don't like to play, you need to try this one.
@TuzBay3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite horror games top 1 on the list i was so scared played this 2 years ago God long time ago best story and wtf moments and what the hell is that moments i have ever had and also the first horror game I've played ever in my life
@CeramicQuill3 жыл бұрын
It was not my first horror game, but it was the first that left me feeling "off"
@TuzBay3 жыл бұрын
@@CeramicQuill hahaha yeah thats true too you right
@Maggpiee3 жыл бұрын
Nah too scary for me
@XzaroX3 жыл бұрын
51:49 "It's not like you cut it and paste it, you're literally copying it, putting it in a different body". That's the thing now. There is no such thing as transferring data in computers. No "cutting" between different storage devices. Only copying and deleting. When you cut on PC, it basically acts as copying and deleting once copying is done. So a cut is literally a scan-suicide like some people in the game were doing.
@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace3 жыл бұрын
Actually, when you perform a Cut on a file and move it somewhere else in the same file system...the inode of that file just changes. It leaves the data where it exists on disk and then more or less sets up a new inode that exists in a new location but refers to the same data. Now when you cut and paste to a different drive, then the old file and inode gets deleted.
@Roadent12413 жыл бұрын
I don't know what 'cut and paste' is when I've only ever been taught 'copy and paste' in ICT classes, even though mother says 'cut and paste' a lot and lets me correct her, but I understand from some video I saw ages ago that copying and pasting the same thing over multiple places just makes it like lose bits of itself every paste, which doesn't make sense but hey I guess something's gotta go. Like if you keep copying and pasting a picture over different machines and harddrives, it loses its quality over time? Maybe I've misunderstood that, but I can understand that happening with the brain scan, things getting lost in transference, considering how much data is in a brain.
@danfr3 жыл бұрын
@@Roadent1241 Cut and paste on the filesystem, which does a file move or copy doesn't lose any bits. You're probably thinking about how re-saving a JPEG from an image program losses quality, because JPEG is a file format that uses lossy compression meaning that every time you edit it (even if that edit doesn't actually modify the image) the compression method losses a bit more of the detail.
@Roadent12413 жыл бұрын
@@danfr Oh right, well there goes my idea for a story thing XD Thank you for explaining it.
@juliannah57214 жыл бұрын
I don't even play games, but I've sat here riveted. Its criminal this doesn't have millions more views. Great job.
@MrNobody-zx4jz4 жыл бұрын
Deserves Billions of views. All the views. I cannot think of a theme more important than this
@juliannah57214 жыл бұрын
These comments brought me back to this video, and re watching the first couple min, why didn't Simon realize he didn't need to eat, drink, pee, before he realized he "was" a robot? Why didn't _I_ realize he didn't?
@bubblegum13664 жыл бұрын
@@juliannah5721 Because you won't really feel the need to do any of those things when you're in shock either. That combined with the fact that not much time passes between him waking up and learning the truth, and his brain actively forcing him not to think about those things.
@DominatorElite44 жыл бұрын
You should play games it's great entertainment and storytelling
@Dystractible4 жыл бұрын
Amazing game. anyone had hasn’t played it should try it
@mort79872 жыл бұрын
Whoever wrote this story was insanely creative to have come up with this. This is not „a game“. This is a piece of art, an amazing, thought-through, brutally depressing piece of art.
@jaktotm37524 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much of a difference would it make, if Frictional Games switched the order of the last scenes: the loading is complete and we wake up in the ARK. And then after the credits we get back to Earth to see the ''previous'' Simon.
@HenryTitor4 жыл бұрын
Simon B in “heaven” saying:” suck on that Simon C” XD
@emilchan53794 жыл бұрын
I remember reading somewhere that test audiences found that version too depressing. I think this ending is bittersweet enough - the latest Simon reunites with Catherine on the Ark but the game reminds us that their paradise is simply a little satellite above a destroyed Earth. The sight of the blackened planet and the sad music playing at that part really hit home for me that the thousands of years of human history is over and that humanity as we know it is truly extinct.
@agugyin4 жыл бұрын
Or what if the launch would have failed. There would be no point then, death, stop thinking, no way out... That would have made no sense.
@averyleier76344 жыл бұрын
@Sardonicus i don't think you're wrong, its just your comment about the coin flip irks me, because its never even a coin flip, that's the point of Simon "building his new body" to show that's it's just a copy of his brain, this scene alone should've made Simon realize what was going to happen when he launched the ark, the fact he didn't, to me personally just makes the ending all the more heartwrenching. Because in a reverse of that situation earlier on is a Simon(dead or not) in the same position as the one from the end, i.e nothing left to do and nowhere to go
@averyleier76344 жыл бұрын
@Sardonicus but you appear misunderstand my point too, i am telling you there is no coin flip its not the proper way to explain the concept , its literally the spoon from the matrix, its not real and doesn't exist, its only purpose is too explain(very poorly) what's going to happen to him, let me put it this way the devs could've ended the game on the scene where Simon builds his new diving suit/body hybrid thing, would it have been unfulfilling? yes but the same message would've been there, as in the camera still in the POV of Simon 1 just watching Simon 2 go play the rest of the game only for him to end up just the same as Simon 1 without the player ever getting to know that fact. And then they could've just cut to the POV of Simon 3 without ever getting to play Simon 2. And keep in mind Catherine is manipulative, she'd explain it in such a way so he wouldn't understand or figure out what she means, given his first reaction after he gets "transferred" i actually don't think he would've launched ark if he understood what it meant for him in that moment or at the very least wouldn't have wanted his scan on the ark knowing in his heart what he did, as for "flatter and less dynamic" if he understand that's he's piece of data and not going completely insane, then he can't be too flat or that much less dynamic then future scans, mostly cause the technology itself doesn't seem to have changed much if at all for brain scans so i cant imagine new scans would be rougher/have more dynamic to them.
@doubbleenchantment60293 жыл бұрын
Catherine is the epitome of "why are you booing me? I'm right"
@georgel10843 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@dulceb11003 жыл бұрын
And, I don't feel bad for thinking this when I played. Thank You, friend.
@iUseVegas3 жыл бұрын
we could all learn from catherine
@dukes19937243 жыл бұрын
I think there are multiple copies of Eric Andre in our world
@thebonecollections44783 жыл бұрын
That's probably why she caught a wrench to the back of the head
@marcuslombardo86153 жыл бұрын
Seeing Catherine open her arms to embrace Simon and then tell him, "It's okay, Simon. Everything's alright now" makes me feel even worse for the robot-Simon left alone under the ocean.
@807D14M0ND53 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that the player didn't get a choice in going or not going to the ark. There are multiple choice moments in the game regarding life or death but I'm the end you can't choose for yourself.
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
I often wonder if the Simon and Catherine on the Ark had a relationship
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
@@807D14M0ND5 Well yeah, there's never any choice there to make. The "coin toss" metaphor is an illusion. The original doesn't have a choice about remaining the original, and the copy doesn't have a choice about being the copy. The game's storytelling point of view was never a choice for us the players either, it just showed us the continuation-Simon each time up until the last divergence, and for that one, it showed us both sides of the "coin". I'm really glad it didn't give us any way to be forced to just view one ending or the other ... I think the duality, and being forced to recognize that both endings are real, is a brilliant ending.
@807D14M0ND52 жыл бұрын
@@ItsAsparageese I realize but still felt strongly about not wanting to go into the ark in the first place. I guess it wasn't my place to tell the protagonist what he wanted. But they discussed the ark and what it would be a lot. From the first questionaire I indicated that I would choose death over electronic life.
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
@@807D14M0ND5 Ohhhhhh I misunderstood what you meant! I thought you meant a choice of whether the player perspective would go with the Ark-Simon or Abyss-Simon, but now I see that you meant giving the player agency over Simon letting himself have a copy sent onto the Ark at all. That makes more sense haha. I do still think it serves the story best to have us see things go the way they do ... plus, it's consistent with Simon's character that he'd be clinging onto some sort of hope for a different life instead of being stuck in the sea, and also it's consistent for him to not fully grok the harsh truth that the original-him will remain ... But yeah, I see what you're saying now and I can see an argument being made for it. Yeah it's interesting how the player inserts our own thoughts into the storyline/actions but only to a small extent, and how the character as written has to remain within certain parameters to complete the story's point. I hadn't thought before now about what a nuanced and frictiony sort of conflict that is that the writers had to balance when determining where our agency would end and his would begin.
@Shadoefax7603 жыл бұрын
The only game to give me a geniuely sense of fear & dread, I had an existential crisis after playing. I questioned my own existence & that was something that really caught me off guard.
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
I've questioned my existence since I was a toddler
@skullcrusade34362 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84 you'll question it more if you look up the mayor of Lannach
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
@@skullcrusade3436 I did, nothing but gibberish
@badxradxandy2 жыл бұрын
Play Life is Strange
@thisperson3453 жыл бұрын
When Simon first transfered body's and reacted like "Catherine? What's wrong? Did it fail?" I thought the best option would be to kill that Simon but then seeing it from the other perspective at the end when Simon is left alive while his other half goes to the ark, it made me realise like "wow, would that really be the right choice? Because Simon is 100% still conscious and for the most part, a human" Seeing things from both perspectives is important on making a decision, that's one thing I took away from this
@theswagman12633 жыл бұрын
I feel like the non transferred Simon should be kept awake and able to make the choice himself, instead of the other Simon making the choice
@Insertfunnycomment3 жыл бұрын
If anything, that reinforced my decision to kill the first Simon. Can you imagine being stuck at the bottom of the ocean, no other people alive apart from you and a couple of people, many of which who are seemingly insane or close to it and all of which who are stuck in place? Not to mention they might all die when you kill the WAU, because if I remember correctly, it's the thing powering them. That is truly a fate worse than death. There's a reason isolation is one of the best torture techniques. You begin to lose your mind the longer you're isolated. I, personally, would rather die than end up like Simon. Any of the Simons left behind. All your doing is delaying your suicide, if you even retain the mental faculties to commit suicide after being isolated for so long.
@theswagman12633 жыл бұрын
@And-Nonymous yeah true. I guess it's how well you know yourself and whether you predicted one version not getting transferred as an outcome, if you suspected it beforehand "original" you could have already come to a decision, and "transferred" you would remember the decision. It's so interesting to think about
@thereprehensible4353 жыл бұрын
Agreed, but I feel killing the old one was still the best choice; It maintains a sense of progression and cognitive continuity. The problem with the consciousness dealio is that it's a copy, not a transfer. You coule say being murdered by "your copy" would be a horrifying concept... But that's only if you think of yourself as you are in the past. Leavin the old you to suffer is a far worse fate than simply ending his stream of consciousness and living on.
@LarnelleChambers3 жыл бұрын
If you don’t kill him then the Simon at the end of the game gets to know someone else is still there to hang out with.
@braydude1044 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the ending seems even scarier and more lonely than navigating the underwater base, both the scenes where Simon is left alone in the pilot seat and the shot of the satellite panning out infinitely.
@fearapedro98594 жыл бұрын
The last scene left me feeling empty. I didnt feel happy nor sad when watching the satilite drift into space I didnt know what to feel.
@no6984 жыл бұрын
The last scene fucking irked me, I felt sick, pain even, even if the other you is on the ARK, you, the you that you were controlling is stuck down there until your battery dies, alone in that cold, desolate room.
@HTWW4 жыл бұрын
@@no698 oh, yes! Even disregarding the fact that one of those you's is doomed to die in that grave of an abyss (which isn't easy), the thought of the ARK being an artifact of a now fully extinct race - humankind - fills me with existential sadness and makes me feel hollow in a way.
@HTWW4 жыл бұрын
@@no698 game's ending's extreme emotional impact aside, I kinda dislike the comet premise of it. I mean, come on. With the ability to shoot massive payloads into space from the bottom of the ocean (which is pure BS, if we're being honest), land-based versions of that coil-gun *must* have been even more powerful. Which in turn would enable the construction of space-(Lunar?)-based cannons. I'm sorry, guys. No matter how big that comet is, under a barrage of super-accelerated ordinance it would go down (as much as it can go 'down' in space, lol), not to mention the more subtle options of changing that thicc girl's albedo where it matters. I'd much prefer that it would be an extremely powerful solar flare, a CME that would hit the Earth dead-on. It would be up to the writers and science consultants to come up with precise (preferably VERY precise) numbers, but as a result we would still have a barren, scorched Earth, maybe even with its atmosphere half-stripped.
@HTWW4 жыл бұрын
@@no698 And why the hell aren't space colonies a thing by then if such magnificent launch-tech is available?! Alright. Now I'm only making myself look like a party pooper, I know. A great game.
@no6984 жыл бұрын
@@HTWW I think what they used to launch objects was too small for the size of the ship needed to have humans sustain life in space
@mattemattics56673 жыл бұрын
It’s a damn tragedy and also great that this game isn’t more well known. It’s a masterclass in storytelling, but also way too real to be healthy.
@jonnybarrera33552 жыл бұрын
I know I’m probably very late but, how come?
@DeathEnducer2 жыл бұрын
It's healthy. It's an important lesson on trans-humanism
@phil3312 жыл бұрын
i thought it was super well known like markplier and all the big youtubers played it when it came out
@roshaanreddy81072 жыл бұрын
@@jonnybarrera3355 not exactly well known
@z1u5122 жыл бұрын
@@phil331 but sadly most just treat it as "haha funny amnesia game spooky oh noes" instead of actually touching on the theme of the game
@ManiacalBlueberry3 жыл бұрын
My god, the voice acting. Its so real that it hurts
@G500163 жыл бұрын
It's the swearing, brings so much more emotion to it.
@joe62693 жыл бұрын
U capitalize God
@G500163 жыл бұрын
@@joe6269 You* Also.. Fk god.
@ACE-si4ng3 жыл бұрын
4:20 Damn, suffering was so good they came up with suffering 2.
@tasoszonios50213 жыл бұрын
it also means passion
@thebadwolf30883 жыл бұрын
The Suffering and The Suffering 2 is a thing
@Brother-Martell3 жыл бұрын
@@thebadwolf3088 ties that bind?
@enea_65803 жыл бұрын
Wait until they release Depression 2
@joshbowdish98513 жыл бұрын
hahahhahahahahahaahahaha that's exactly the take i needed after this rollercoaster
@parasiteslost21473 жыл бұрын
Now imagine our first alien contact is one of those satellite arks containing the last bit of consciousness from an extinct race
@eieiejjr3 жыл бұрын
Your pfp makes this comment better
@parasiteslost21473 жыл бұрын
@@eieiejjr I think it makes all my comments better but not sure if I'm right or just cocky
@toolatetothestory3 жыл бұрын
Now wouldn't that make for an interesting movie.
@Primotter3 жыл бұрын
Isn't that basically the plot of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Episode: The inner light?
@parasiteslost21473 жыл бұрын
@@Primotter was never a fan of space politics 3000 so I wouldn't know
@AlessaParker2 жыл бұрын
the ending of SOMA was probably the most dread I've ever felt while playing a video game
@glitchyfox8706 Жыл бұрын
I was left with the question of if it is possible that the simon's left behind were able to reach the surface then could they just wander and live there?
@AHHHHHHHH217 ай бұрын
@@glitchyfox8706the diving suits would degrade in the harsh environment and plus, what is there even to see? I mean, the pressure suit Simon could climb the space elevator as some other lady did but there would be nothing to see out there. The sun blocked by ash and the sea extending for miles with no way to reach the barren surface anyways.
@Kidrobot0164 жыл бұрын
This shit hit different at 2am. I already feel that Soma is a game/story that does not get the credit it rightfully deserves but you really drove this home. I watched someone play through this and it was an emotional roller coaster then. Just watching and listening to you revisit some of those moments from the game still feel the same. The ending for me is one of the darkest and saddest in gaming period...maybe stories in general. Yes I cried . Lol. If you don't question what it means to be human after this game, you weren't paying attention.
@juliaswierkosz79544 жыл бұрын
Oh dude, I also had it randomly in the recommendation and I thought why not, it was a great game, I want to see how that shit broke this man too And like. I cried again, even tho I knew what would happen. This is really an amazing game
@Kidrobot0164 жыл бұрын
@@juliaswierkosz7954 I agree. This is an amazing game.
@dogesanic8194 жыл бұрын
this is the game that broke people, everything about them, torn apart... if not, then you did not get the point or dont fathom the weight of every key moment in that game... that game, SOMA is not a horror game for the jumpscares, but for the mind and the soul, had to glue my dumb brain together for a full month and still have mental scars about this damn game, its too good in a bad way but that somehow it is still good, i mean after you get over it you are a different person, i believe that after this game you can weigh your and others life a little bit more than before
@Kidrobot0164 жыл бұрын
@@dogesanic819 well said. This game def scarred me. Thinking about the ending as I type still causes my eyes to well up....not out of sadness but just...WOW! You have to experience the game is all. Its insane how well the question "what does it mean to be human" is captured here.
@carljohan92654 жыл бұрын
@@dogesanic819 I got a pretty appropriate term for this game: Philosophical horror. I have only ever seen one other game that dabbles in the same theme, and that's the visual novel Saya no Uta. The original japanese version, not the shitty english one. While SOMA focuses on questions like "what is consciousness?" and "what does it mean to be human?", Saya no Uta explores the concept of how our morality is affected by our perception of the world, and what it truly means to love someone. In SnU, lots of fucked up and horrible things happen, and you would be utterly amazed at how your view of said things changes based on which character's perspective you are seeing the story from at the time. On top of that, it somehow manages to be one of the most engaging and intimate love stories I have ever seen, all while challenging your view of what exactly love is and what it means to commit. If you want to play the original, you need to find a translation patch. However, it's definitively worth the extra effort since the english version is nowhere near as good.
@rowiian3 жыл бұрын
I was left feeling that one of the reasons Simon can't seem to realize what copying himself that final time entails is that he's literally unable to process and remember it. He's a prototype copy, and Catherine herself mentions at some point that he's "simpler" than the more advanced copies. He feels like himself, yes, and he seems to function like human Simon would, but the kind of abstract thought that goes into imagining how his consciousness won't go on is beyond him. He has been copied already, sure, but before the ending he's never experienced being the Simon left behind.
@kynnedy3 жыл бұрын
This is a generous interpretation of Simon, because it seems many (most?) people who play this game are just as dumbstruck as Simon when he realizes he didn't make it on the Ark. But, this would be the best possible interpretation for Simon because if the Simon on the Ark can't realize he left the copy behind, it would avoid unneeded trauma on him.
@SETHthegodofchaos3 жыл бұрын
Hm, dont forget he is a prototype copy of a brain thats damaged which will soon be the cause of 2015 Simons death. Or it was just done to get a better emotional response in the moment and to have this story happen in the first place. Even if it doesnt hold up once you think a bit longer about it. And I am sure in some cases the audience might not have fully grasped the concept yet either. Afterall we havent experienced being "the copy left behind" ourselves yet. It is still something diferent to actually experiencing it compared to just imagining it, and not everybody can imagine it. To not take away from those players experiences they might have to make it this way.
@wal_rider84793 жыл бұрын
I think it's more that he forgot that that happens when you copy your brain, I mean i did.. 2 times, both when you needed to switch the suit and when you needed to launch the ark. Because Catherine makes you believe that you're getting on the ark 100% and you're so ready and hyped that you forget what making a copy of your brain means.
@kynnedy3 жыл бұрын
@@wal_rider8479 This is why I don't think it's necessary to assume Simon is defective is some way being a prototype. He seems to have as much emotional depth as many people do. I believe Catherine makes Simon/players believe he's getting on the Ark because she sincerely believes they are getting on the Ark. The problem is that Catherine's philosophy is drastically different than Simon's and these players'. She believes that the copy is equivalent to the original, but Simon, and I would expect these players, obviously disagree. I think people and Simon say Catherine lied because when she says "they're on the Ark", she means the copies, and expects that by now Simon should know this (especially after his first-hand experience with being copied onto new media). I would wager strongly that most everyone who shares Catherine's philosophy knew exactly what would happen when they were about to launch the Ark, but those who agree with Simon would be far more likely to be surprised. If anything, I'd rack it up to confirmation bias.
@trinidad173 жыл бұрын
@@kynnedy Yeah it's one of those things you have to wonder that you're not the target market for this, how something that is downright obvious, specially after he was copied to the other body that there were now two of him, is something that somehow surprises people. The story is not bad, but it's not great and heavy handed, specially being derivative if you have read or watched sci-fi before this. It's one of those things that people say others "don't get it" because for them it's so great and original.
@malade30003 жыл бұрын
"What makes us human?" Oh boy here we go, existential crisis ahead.
@vyllix85463 жыл бұрын
existential crisis ahead, be weary of sadness
@strawberryzebras67253 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that the "good ending" in the Ark is just as unsettling as the "bad ending" because of the few thousand year time limit on their lives and the fact that anything they do is now just unimportant bits moving around in a computer. I feel that it's like a family celebrating because their loved one was just given 1 more week to live instead of them dying that day. The ark was a last desperate attempt to buy time before inevitable extinction.
@ataarono2 жыл бұрын
but they will live in the ark far longer lives thousands of time repeated while you will in your flesh body only live short and only once and the ark gives them the freedom to experience everything imagineable while we are limited. The unsetteling part is realising that both are equally just unimportants bits moving around vs unimportant flesh moving around
@Nitidus2 жыл бұрын
For them, it is reality. Nothing they do in the Ark is less "real" then what they would do on Earth.
@z1u5122 жыл бұрын
@@Nitidus thats what makes it more disturbing
@derekringer7143 Жыл бұрын
@@Nitidus Also, saying the ark is just "unimportant bits moving around in a computer" is like saying we're unimportant cells moving around in a tiny blue ball, because that's what we are in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean that life isn't worth living. We don't need a grand purpose or a guaranty that we'll live on forever to enjoy life or existence. Even if everything ends one day, so what? It's worth it for as long as we're here. Same goes for the ones living in the ark.
@Lucasbbw Жыл бұрын
The ark may be discovered by aliens, who would descan them back to humans, maybe even with consciousness continuity.
@LilysCorner1433 жыл бұрын
What still hurts is that that Catherine still knows that her copy and Simons copy are still down there but now she has a choice will she tell him or let him continue living in ignorance
@QuayNemSorr3 жыл бұрын
I think Simon knows. He's done it before after all. He might just be happy that he got "the lucky flip of the coin" and try to not think about it.
@LilysCorner1433 жыл бұрын
@@QuayNemSorr from how he reacted at the scene saying “we made it” and how back on earth he thought his already there consciousness would go to the arch, I think that the copy waking up in the arch because they don't have a separation in memories the copy thought he was the original Simon from earth who made it. the copys body language had hope and wonder he'd never thought about the process of mind transfer/copy he simply thought he'd get to go even though he knows how it works already. He just keeps forgetting and disregarding it until he's proved wrong and remembers the copy process how one is always left behind. He won't get the chance to be proven wrong and remember because the arch copy can't be recopied.
@imbored43223 жыл бұрын
She'll let him live without telling him, imo. He has been thru so much, and I don't see the point of her telling him that when he could just blissfully live in the ARK.
@LilysCorner1433 жыл бұрын
@@imbored4322 ignorance is bliss in a way
@boonkgang15363 жыл бұрын
She won't tell him
@smsjogren14 жыл бұрын
It was so important that they ended the game the way they did. Not the post credits scene, but the ending. I would’ve enjoyed it even if it had just cut off there, leaving you melancholy, but knowing the ark did make it. The post credits scene was just a nice cherry on top.
@katerkarlo34994 жыл бұрын
I think switching it around would have been more horrifying - it cuts right away to the ark, you think all is great - and after the credits it cuts to Simon, still on the bottom of the ocean...
@stwabewwwy4 жыл бұрын
@@katerkarlo3499 That shit would’ve been so bittersweet. Like, damn.
@teamskrub22924 жыл бұрын
I think it's good they showed the ending, especially the ARK floating off into space. It really drives home that, that's all that's left of humanity. That's the only worthwhile part of humanity that's left, and it's not even on Earth anymore.
@jtjoemamma4 жыл бұрын
The only way out is in. Heaven exists as a state of mind :)
@uhoh75454 жыл бұрын
@@katerkarlo3499 I thought it does that for a "bad ending"
@Qunia3 жыл бұрын
This game honestly should’ve gotten more attention than what it got on release. The game’s been out since like 2015. I got the game for free through the Epic store.
@ClavinZKL3 жыл бұрын
Wait we did? I "MIGHT" play it but at the same time i did watch this whole video.
@MeeplandHeights3 жыл бұрын
I think it got ignored cause people passed it off as just amnesia but underwater but it really shouldn't have. It's obviously got similar mechanics and is also a walking simulator but the story is so engaging it doesn't deserve the ignoring it got
@Lin_Eileen3 жыл бұрын
@@toxicsquirrelboy To be fair it wasn't just the marketing team that decided to portray the game that way. That IS how the game is on top of being existential and philosophical. They added an entire separate game mode designed to help people appreciate the game more for it's deep themes & not it's sub bar horror game cliches that permeate it's design. Hiding behind boxes from scary monster is boring for me. SOMA is a much better & more haunting game when every single thing you encounter is not mindlessly attacking you.
@raghavgairola22703 жыл бұрын
fuck when was it free? god how could i miss it
@doihatd45953 жыл бұрын
I got it for free on gog, so . . . basically same
@KindanThe1st3 жыл бұрын
This game brings up so many interesting, unique, and terrifying questions about existence, consciousness, and the meaning of humanity. It's really a case study of philosphy.
@ghosteddenial95382 жыл бұрын
I literally go into psychosis when it comes to reality though thankfully I don't hurt myself I just freak out internally and hang on.
@ghosteddenial95382 жыл бұрын
@@drazapatos hahahahah of course it isn't 🤣 wow you obviously never questioned and experienced the* question of the nature of reality before. Otherwise if you did my comment would of made sense 🤦🎉.
@AuralVirus2 жыл бұрын
been covered and, pun intended, done to death. the study has been done, conclusion is the conundrum itself.
@pipsapossu1699 Жыл бұрын
excistance is for reproduction and conciousness is a byproduct of that. nothing else to it
@michaelwilson51143 жыл бұрын
The horror really doesn't start until they realize they created the virtual reality with a beta version of Bethesda's creation kit engine.
@Zygart3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA
@humha76133 жыл бұрын
Ah fu-
@fakskis3 жыл бұрын
@@humha7613 *ERROR 40286: The program has encountered an unexpected error and needs to close.*
@TheVergile3 жыл бұрын
Imagine you wake up in the beta version of star citizen
@einsamerkeks59773 жыл бұрын
OMG I WAS SO INTO THIS VIDEO, IT'S ATMOSPHERE AND EVERYTHING AND- AHH! This is too funny, it threw me completely off xD
@ceu1601934 жыл бұрын
It's really weird, that Catherine is only completely "sane" person inhabiting robot body through whole game, that is fully aware of their condition and didn't require outside help to figure it out.
@sety55913 жыл бұрын
Catherine is probably abnormal because other character said she is "weird".
@AbyssWatcher7453 жыл бұрын
Yeah. But I do understand her logic.
@ceu1601933 жыл бұрын
@@sety5591 perhaps it's why she adapted so easily to being a robot.
@mejdlocraftci3 жыл бұрын
@@sety5591 yea I mean you can kinda tell she wasnt the best human being ever, back when she actually was a human
@Grymbaldknight3 жыл бұрын
From my perception, it's possible that Catherine is slightly autistic. She didn't fit in very well with the others, back when she was a human. I don't think she found the transition to being a robot as jarring as other people may have. I doubt she was very attached to being a human, all things considered. She didn't find it unsettling to be inside a machine.
@johnsolace25883 жыл бұрын
You turning on the flashlight to show catherine’s dead body was perfect timing, gave me chills
@squishish3 жыл бұрын
Ughhhhh watching Sarah's death scene made me tear up again. This time was worse because I'm older, I almost sobbed. I would also want to die, there's no way that loneliness wasn't overbearing and absolutely soul crushing. I'm so glad this game isn't real, at least as of now.
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
Have you ever wanted to die for real? I certainly have
@squishish2 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84 yeah, why do you ask?
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
@@squishish Just curious
@drhater23182 жыл бұрын
It will never be real lol what do you mean
@greaterrestoration62142 жыл бұрын
It's already is real, this is just a crappy ark.
@lizardweedzard44955 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, I can really feel your feelings for this game. Sad that it's not getting any views, especially when it's this great in quality through a full hour.
@Zygart5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it!
@ausar38524 жыл бұрын
@@Zygart He speaks the truth...Amazing video man. Thank you for making it
@soldierofgodrick28854 жыл бұрын
I’m 4 mana
@RicolaOnTheRocks3 жыл бұрын
Dude the algorithm has blessed him
@Narusasu983 жыл бұрын
Blame youtube's algorithm and the fact that most people would rather entertain themselves with pointless/braindead/mediocre shit.
@genotsSnor4 жыл бұрын
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Philip K. Dick
@CausticSpace4 жыл бұрын
Thats where you’re wrong! *takes loads of Acid and Shrooms*
@goromi83404 жыл бұрын
Dick.
@mcgfn4 жыл бұрын
@@goromi8340 swearing is haram
@SpunkyMcGoo4 жыл бұрын
Theoretically, if everyone stopped believing in, say, gravity; it might actually go away. Quantum phenomena act differently depending on whether they're observed or not.
@wildmoose39794 жыл бұрын
Therefore you are not real.
@damenwhelan32363 жыл бұрын
Sarah: At least I won't have to turn 30, yay. (I cried.)
@italislife74613 жыл бұрын
Been crying through this whole thing
@willymillynilly45013 жыл бұрын
That got me hard… Poor, poor girl. So young, but already looked so drained of strength and life.
@sionmarak19163 жыл бұрын
FUCKING DEPRESSING
@jaymantisgaming3 жыл бұрын
**cries in mid-30's**
@tsavage43373 жыл бұрын
@Ben Kenobi just know that life is mysterious and nobody knows anything. We think we know what happens when we do but we don’t at all. Worry not about just the destination, but the entire journey itself
@sbarn5422 жыл бұрын
Love the contrast between the final words between “power suit Simon” and “ARK Simon”. The “Catherine, Catherine?” said by both Simons at the end have vary contrasting tones that when you hear the positive version, it forces you to think about the other Simon left behind at the bottom of the ocean.
@FluttersShy-ln2ln9 ай бұрын
Right. The "power suit Simon" was doomed from the start, but the "ARK Simon" was created the instant the transfer completed. The so-called "coin toss" is just an illusion. Power suit Simon can never get on the ARK, whereas the ARK Simon was always on the ARK. 🤔
@quazar47734 жыл бұрын
I hate how Catherine's death is called an "accident " while there is a bloody wrench right next to her that was clearly used to kill her. I wonder what happened to the guy that killed her, I did not pay enough attention to his name.
@Joseph-ic8xd4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be easier on her to think it was just an accident?
@quazar47734 жыл бұрын
@@Joseph-ic8xd Yes, that is the reason simon says it was an accident. However, I'm talking about the people who were actually there when it happened. They saw the dude grab the wrench and break Catherine's skull with it and yet they call it an accident.
@Joseph-ic8xd4 жыл бұрын
@@quazar4773 Oh yeah true true, idk maybe just the fact that humanity was hanging on them there and then that tensions were so high further confrontation could have just made us extinct? Like maybe they just went with "accident" because they had to play it safe to make sure it got where it had to go safely. Either way screw whoever hit her smh.
@quazar47734 жыл бұрын
@@Joseph-ic8xd Who knows. I'm pretty sure there is information on the guy that killed her where all their beds were where you meat the only human left.
@emilchan53794 жыл бұрын
The diving suit manual states that the suit augments the strength of the wearer to compensate for underwater movement. I took it that the guy who hit her just wanted to knock her head a bit but did not realise the suit artificially increased his strength until it became a killing blow. I am pretty sure that he didn't mean to hit her so hard as to kill her.
@PumpkinPain3 жыл бұрын
Catherine: Ctrl+C/ Ctrl+V "Now what was that other command.." Simon: Uhhhh Catherine: Alt+f4
@Lonewolf201733 жыл бұрын
This is great
@Vogelgangg3 жыл бұрын
@@-Kal- alt e
@kosherre62433 жыл бұрын
End Task on System32
@hansnoor96373 жыл бұрын
Simon should've known how to press shift+delete
@TheIxyavi4 жыл бұрын
This game still takes up space in my brain years later. It's a shame more people haven't played it.
@shinwookang43794 жыл бұрын
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Philip K. Dick
@df710913 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure that ive red a dystipian short story many years ago. Humanity gave all the responsibility to machines, first slow but it evolved into something bad. Protecting humans at all costs and so they made them immovable and preserved them with nutrients for eternity whilst theyre fully conscious
@Sgt_Glory3 жыл бұрын
The existential horror of both leaving Simon's old body (with another Simon in it) _and_ the ending both still make me pause when I think about them. I don't think I'll ever forget SOMA.
@wooloosus68663 жыл бұрын
15:45 that line really hurt me, hearing someone say with so much fear and pain that they wanna go home, and knowing that their home is gone forever...my biggest fear
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
Unless, by home you mean the afterlife
@DustyyBoi Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84why the fuck would home be a place you've never been lmao
@SamuelBlack84 Жыл бұрын
@DustyyBoi I think it's the idea of returning to god
@DustyyBoi Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84 i think wanting to return home makes more sense, given the fact that she said she wants to return home
@SamuelBlack84 Жыл бұрын
@DustyyBoi Not possible after the comet. Maybe in her desperation, she's just sick and tired of everything and wants peace even if it is just an illusion Regardless, it's one line in a video game. We all have lives to live
@Zombie9734 жыл бұрын
The saddest part about SOMA is that humanity did go extinct the ARK only just extended the human experience by a couple hundred or thousand years. Since the ARK is just basically the matrix satellite supported by a power system eventually the parts will degrade, or be damaged , a rock the size of a pin could hit the solar panel and all energy on the ARK would be gone. And there's nothing the residents of the ARK could do, since their just electricity running through circuits there's no way for them to interact with the physical world their only saving grace would be ironically if Simon could still contact them & work with them (which by shooting the ARK drained all power is now impossible) .Simon a bookkeeper from 2015 would have no knowledge of how to build anything and without power he would only be left with days before wither he dies or all other residents die. Or hopefully intelligent life regrows on Earth (near impossible) or they meet an intelligent alien life while drifting through the galaxy.
@X1M433 жыл бұрын
Who knows, the WAU itself could evolve into a helpful intelligence in time to "rescue" the Ark. Unless you kill it, I suppose.
@TheVergile3 жыл бұрын
not necessarily. depending on how the whole computing power thing turns out and how the thing is constructed. When they have enough energy and computing power a day in real time could be many many years inside the arc. Our brains dont use a lot of power. Running a simulation of the arc world will take some more, but not really insane amounts. So in those 1000 years many million years of experiences may happen inside the arc. And if power degrades they could compensate that for a very long time by turning down the computation speed - for the people inside their perception of time would not change. The time inside the arc may as well be ten times longer than all of human history so far.
@aleksakocijasevic66133 жыл бұрын
@@TheVergile Still, they will die at some point. So in a way, they didn't accomplish anything.
@TheVergile3 жыл бұрын
@@aleksakocijasevic6613 yeah, its not a sustainable population. to small. lacking the necessary automation and infrastructure for repairs. but then again all human experiences end some day. unless you find a way to create new digital life from the existing brainscans there is a limit to how long people will want to live. once everything is said and done people will want to die. i doubt with auch a small population there would be many willing to go on after what feels like a million years to them
@neowilliams3 жыл бұрын
Theres a line Zygart kinda passes over but I caught it during the Cutscene. "This isnt about you anymore, this about humanity, Here, there's nothing, out there? There's hope." Hope is one of those words people misunderstand alot, its not assured.
@quaker18745 жыл бұрын
Hey, man, just found your channel by typing up SOMA critique. SOMA also had a big impact on me. As someone who loves sci fi, horror, and scifi horror, this game hit all those marks for me. Never has a game hit me that hard with the existential questions it asks. Also, the spider crab cave made me physically sweat with anxiety and fear. Good production and quality with your video. Keep it up!
@jmoney36474 жыл бұрын
Spider :)
@barrettseattle18464 жыл бұрын
Can't say this is what I needed at 2am in the middle of covid-19 but you know... good video tho Edit: 6 months later "in the *middle* of covid-19" what a fool I was
@markabrahim41884 жыл бұрын
What the fuck its 2am right now and covid-19 curfew
@tidalboxer4 жыл бұрын
LOL. Right?! I’ve seen it already though. This game is amazing... but definitely jarring on a deep emotional level.
@Kidrobot0164 жыл бұрын
I literally watched this at 2am last night! Lol.
@JoeBender4 жыл бұрын
@@Kidrobot016 DUDE SAME. SENT TO MY FRIEND AT 2:08AM.
@moviesseries47344 жыл бұрын
Lol I find myself coming back and watching more of soma to get the full story this game makes me rethink my existence I've had nightmares from playing this game it is a master piece the graphics the story mysterys
@vincent46523 жыл бұрын
I think this game really epitomizes why the whole "upload your brain to live forever" idea used in a lot of stories isn't nearly as good as it's cracked up to be. While there's a version of you that will live on forever, that won't really be *you*, you'll still die just like you always would, while that other version would be completely oblivious to your existence.
@Obscurus412 жыл бұрын
You will die but at the same time wake up in a different body. When you wake up in the other body you will still feel that it is you and just woke up. Weird but I'll still take it.
@sbsftw42322 жыл бұрын
It's impossible to BE the copy. For us anyway.
@Obscurus412 жыл бұрын
@@sbsftw4232 Yeah I grasped this now.
@ghosteddenial95382 жыл бұрын
And it would go on to live other existences, oblivious of the others.... Like reincarnation heheh ehhh I am gonna creep myself out
@onion5992 жыл бұрын
So what? You know what they say you die twice, one time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time. With brain scan you'll only die once.
@dukeofchickens77553 жыл бұрын
ARK Simon's "Catherine?" Sounded so soft and stress free, it felt chilling, unfitting almost.
@Josuh3 жыл бұрын
To ARK Simon this whole shit was like a cool Sci-Fi movie
@FFKonoko3 жыл бұрын
@@Josuh why do you say that? You think that Simon's time during soma, up until the space gun, felt like a sci-fi movie to him?
@xarrison82743 жыл бұрын
@@FFKonoko Horror Sci-fi
@cryojudgement23763 жыл бұрын
Because both of them are very pretty and bad people so when they get a happy ending ( depending on how you look at it) is a weird feeling, especially considering Simon has been inhabiting a dead body for all of the game.
@6ixlxrd3 жыл бұрын
@@cryojudgement2376 It’s unfair to call Simon a bad person when he literally had no choice in the matter and felt guilt about his “condition” the more he came to understand it. This guy has died 3 times (first his human body, then his body back at Omnicron, and finally the him that didn’t make it into the ARK) all the while being perfectly realistic in how he believes he’s the real Simon and not a copy, to the point of borderline delusion simply because his mind can’t cope with the actuality of what has happened to him. Now Catherine is another matter entirely since she knows everything and tells Simon nothing, manipulating him and not addressing any of his moral concerns to suit her own goals; he’s just a device to her. But Simon? Can’t agree with you about him. The reason the ending feels weird isn’t because of something as superficial as “right” or “wrong” (concepts the entirety of the game spends blurring the line between). The ending feels weird because, as Simon says, the copies of them on the ARK aren’t actually them...and like Simon we’re forced to accept that. How can we be happy for the Simon on the ARK (believing himself the real one) when we know that OUR Simon is still at the bottom of the ocean, alone? It’s depressing, and it makes you realize that you’ve never actually been the real Simon, only the one that won the coin toss.
@thepolitegamer19663 жыл бұрын
I just realised the reason Catherine died was because her stress level exceeded the limit just like Brandon.
@wearelegion653 жыл бұрын
FUCK whyd you have to make me realize that
@CapralHarrison3 жыл бұрын
So Simon left alone is entirely his fault?
@xegativ3 жыл бұрын
@@CapralHarrison yea
@AutumnOnFire3 жыл бұрын
Don't tell me she died bro. I'd lose my fuckin mind if I knew I DID THAT.
@mediocrecorps3 жыл бұрын
RIP Asian Cortana
@gilgamesh70554 жыл бұрын
the fact that all of Simons copies, upon their creation, dont realise they are entirely separate beings that were born just seconds ago, and then when you put yourself in their shoes and imagine those very beings using their empathy to realise how this must be for the predecessor, seeing its copy run off whilte its stuck where its at. That predecessor can also use its empathy to imagine how the copy must feel like it, and think it is it, that everything it will experience will also be what the predecessor experiences, since the copy doesent realise it is a copy. The result would probably be a mix of jealousy and numbing dread.
@charlesajones773 жыл бұрын
The bit with Amy is even more disturbing when you realize she's been there on "life support" for a year. And you only have to pull one of the cables, meaning you can leave her alive. Arguably a fate worse than death. In fact, that pretty well describes this whole game.
@SamuelBlack842 жыл бұрын
What happens if you shut off her life support immediately after entering her room without speaking to her?
@ThPid2 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84 She dies
@savageshot37232 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelBlack84 she dead and you just robbed her idk
@Nanatajaa2 жыл бұрын
If he didn't shut it, He can talk to amy instead really being alone
@Vic-142 жыл бұрын
WAU provides her with the "dreams" so it's not THAT bad) In any case it's not your (Simon) call to make, she clearly says that she doesn't want to die and making such a decision for her is inhumane to say the least.
@forrestallen93543 жыл бұрын
I remember this game. I had to watch my parents house up in the mountains and there was a bad storm lightning and heavy rain. I played through the entire game through the storm. It was amazing.
@neo75383 жыл бұрын
and then there's the real Simon, looking down from heaven like "holy shit"
@fallsky_193 жыл бұрын
"aint no damn way something survived this apocalypse- wait thats ME. ayo??"
@purerage79633 жыл бұрын
That would be the perfect alternative April Fools ending.
@Yixdy3 жыл бұрын
Lol heaven, how many Simons are up there? Arguing with each other; "I'M the real Simon!" "NO *I'M* the real Simon!"
@Tisserande3 жыл бұрын
@@Yixdy all the simons that were simulated in 2015
@akystaracer22293 жыл бұрын
The council of Simons be like: mate our bro just needs to find a way and join us up here.
@Tavera124 жыл бұрын
This game was such an underappreciated gem. The story and ending were some of the most terrifying and haunting experiences I've ever encountered in a game. I almost cried when he realized he was the losing copy to exist alone in the dark, that scene haunted me for weeks after I played this game.
@wazopaio Жыл бұрын
At 57:26, when he listens to Sarah fade away... That's the moment that this game broke me. Humanity doesn't end when the sky is lit aflame, chaos reigns, and the oceans dry. It ends quietly... One lost soul residing in the ruins of a laboratory being kept alive for seemingly years by machines in total solitude... No food... No sunlight... Just the sound of a machine telling her that her heart is still beating. A chimera of machine, corpse, and AI is the only solace she finds in her last breaths. Her last thoughts were not of hope and prosperity but of dread, anguish, and the knowledge that humanity dies with her. It's such a tragic end. Hundreds of thousands of years of human life ends this way. From fire, to electricity, to air travel, to space travel, to the internet... And it all ends in a rotted and rusty dormitory miles underwater.
@Zendennix4 жыл бұрын
I watched only 17 minutes of the video and I think I’m going to stop there and get the game. Thank you for making this video, it really caught my eye! Great essay and thanks a lot, ill be sure to come back once ive finished the game.
@valnain4 жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoy it!
@jwightman7953 жыл бұрын
That recording from Simon and the graduate student, Last recoding: June 1, 2015 @29:59 in the video, after they find out his treatments aren't working and Simon will die is my biggest take away from Soma. When Simon says, "You know what sucks about dying? The crash. Everything up till now, the brain damage, you guys, everything -- it's made my life so much more real. I started thinking about all the things I was going to do. I'd never been more excited to be alive! All that hope wasted." If you want to do something, start now. There's no better time and you might not have time. Don't let anything like failure stop you. You might end up like Simon to one day experience "the crash." Knowing your death is imminent but at least you know you tried your best with what you had. And something we can be proud of.
@Razomir3 жыл бұрын
And he did. I believe he was the basis of the WAU AI and it trying to keep everyone alive at all costs is Simon desperately trying to prevent the loss of life he suffered from during his actual life.
@cchristianjeremy3 жыл бұрын
@@Razomir Holy crap, this is such a good take on the WAU. I applaud you sir.
@visassess86072 жыл бұрын
Very well said
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully stated, OP. I think one of the best impacts of this game is the new appreciation for life it gave me ... god, when I woke up on the Ark at the end and realized I was outdoors on land, it felt more real and vivid for a moment than any natural place I've ever been IRL, just because of the headspace the game put me in ... but I hadn't yet tied that sense of appreciation and urgency to the memento-mori symbol of the crash itself.
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
@@Razomir I really, *really* enjoy this take on the WAU. I've just recently finished my first play of the game and I'm still figuring out what I think about it, whether I think it's good or bad, whether I think it has intentions at all or just out-of-control protocols, whether I would choose to kill it again the next time I play, and I've just been very unresolved about it all. But when I put that perspective on it, the idea that Simon is the foundation for the WAU (I mean holy crap this makes so much sense since his original legacy scan was used in developing AGI like that over time, duh, the game tells us that, I can't believe I never connected those dots to the WAU's origin before you pointed it out!) ... thanks to that notion, suddenly the WAU's response to human near-extinction becomes very humanlike and understandable to me. It's just like any other trauma response. It's EXACTLY like a trauma response, and to the greatest possible human trauma, no less. All of a sudden, thanks to your comment, I can wrap my head around the WAU's twisted logic and empathize and even sympathize with it. Wow. Thank you for that amazing food for thought.
@kubistonek4 жыл бұрын
fun fact: the olny difference between coppy + paste and cut + paste on your pc is that in the ctrl + x the source is being deleted right after copying
@shdowdrgonrider3 жыл бұрын
Actually, in some cases for computers they dont even move the file. Instead some table elsewhere in your computer that tracks the "location" (not the physical location of the file on the disk but rather the "logical" location of the file in your file system) is instead updated
@GSFBlade3 жыл бұрын
@@shdowdrgonrider That's fine if you keep everything on the same drive, but once it's moved over to a separate drive the original file is "gone" :( I hope it never comes to this for mankind.
@anthonygordon94833 жыл бұрын
I watched a video with some of the best physicist talking about this including Neil Degrasse Tyson. They talked about how in star trek when your being beamed up and down from the star ship your essentially destroying a copy of your entire body and recreating it on the planet. Most of them still agree they would never get into the Transporter. Cause essentially you being beamed maybe the last memory you have of your original copy. From a scientific stand point I believe to be one self is a matter of DNA and Memories and not just Memories. For DNA is also made up of who you are and who you could possibly be.
@QuayNemSorr3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonygordon9483 I've sometimes contemplated that same puzzle about "beaming" and if we ever got it to work. That our original bodies would get destroyed and a copy of us would emerge. With all our memories, knowledge etc. Having no idea that it is in fact a copy. I think the scariest part is that no one would ever know. We would use those things on a daily basis happy in ignorance while we kept on killing ourselves over and over again. You can apply to star trek. No one knows, they just keep killing and copying themselves over and over.
@anthonygordon94833 жыл бұрын
@@QuayNemSorr Yeah that is the creepy part. There is no absolute way to know cause your new copy will be 100% sure it is the original copy. Black Mirror and Dark both explore this topic too. Black Mirror has some very scary episodes on this topic.
@Thefellomens3 жыл бұрын
I still think the ending would've been more harrowing if they were switched. After the countdown it does into the ark. Then after the credits you go back to Simon and Catherine on earth.
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
I agree that it'd be more harrowing, but personally I like the order of the emotional roller coaster as it stands now. 'cos yeah we definitely should get hit hard by the duality and the tragic fact that Simon-in-the-abyss still exists and always was going to, but then going from there to the Ark-perspective makes the player (or at least, made me) really feel speechlessly in awe of being alive and grateful for it.
@Ty-wf6mg2 жыл бұрын
There’s many ways this could have subjectively ended better. I would have preferred if they just omitted the ark ending. And left you with Simon and Catherine underwater.
@JustapErson2 жыл бұрын
@@Ty-wf6mg That would have been really dark but a good ending. I like what they did though with the ark, it was showing that it was really worth it but also really not worth it at the same time. Very interesting moral choices in this game.
@karenamyx22052 жыл бұрын
Ah, I disagree. I like it the way it is. The real gut punch is Simon being left behind. In the dark, alone. That fits the game better and has the best feel. Not the best feeling, but makes you feel the most. So I prefer it upfront in the climax moment. I think the scene after the credits is just to decompress, and maybe give some ppl that hate boo hoo endings a little pat on the back. If I had to just choose one, the horrific one is certainly better. But I do appreciate the closure of the second ending, if only because I'd be wondering if the launch even worked otherwise.
@armoredp2 жыл бұрын
It kind of defeats the whole setup to Simon's disappointing final revelation. The whole game is essentially Simon 3's memory (bar the ending), hence we do switch bodies from Simon 1 to 2 to Simon 3 but not from Simon 3 to Simon 4 (ark Simon). We are already supposed to infer that we aren't going to go on the ark. The whole coin toss analogy is false and basically a ruse by Catherine to convince Simon to continue with the plan even-though it was never going to help him personally. Personally I would have preferred they didn't have the Ark ending at all. It would be much more tight narratively because you would really only be playing with Simon 3's memory.
@clancyknox8833 жыл бұрын
You know, maybe it’s unrealistic and too optimistic, but I like to think that Simon makes his way back to the first area, finds Catherine’s older version from the medbay and they reforge their friendship. Then who knows. Maybe they go on to be the founders of a planet wide machine empire. Immortal and timeless. Maybe they find out a way to create new AI that perfectly mimic the human consciousness, children in a sense. It’s what I like to think.
@flygawnebardoflight3 жыл бұрын
This comment will be a month late, but I think this is truly a real possibility... once he gets past the two new hurdles in his way that is
@donutholebandit62123 жыл бұрын
Sequel????
@da3driccax3273 жыл бұрын
This comment has finally put my mind to ease 3 years after playing this game. Thank you lol.
@davidchikousky10813 жыл бұрын
He can't. He took the cortex chip out and put it into the omnitool. There's no Catherine in that body anymore.
@AmundNO3 жыл бұрын
@@davidchikousky1081 Exactly. The Cathrine that we get to know never copies other than at the end when they launch the ARK. She was just carried around through the chip in the omnitool. Simon could possibly restore power and bring Cathrine back though...
@ScarabD4 жыл бұрын
I think SOMA did one weird thing for me: for perhaps the first time ever I had an ending that was both utterly bleakly depressingly sad, and upliftingly happy... at the exact same time. The idea of the coin toss had been so drilled into my head that by this point I felt I understood what it meant. I could be sad for Catherine and Simon, and happy for them at the same time. Neither ending felt like a 'fake' ending or a lie. The happy one wasn't less happy because of the simultaneous sad one.
@TerrariaGolem3 жыл бұрын
As if the coin landed on it's side.
@imbored43223 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I think it's because ARK Simon believed that the "coin toss" is true, and so won't be burdened by the fact that he left his other self alone... in the dark... underwater. It really is bittersweet.
@MrNinjacake73 жыл бұрын
If you like that try outer wilds the ending is so good
@damarionjohnson2493 жыл бұрын
@@TerrariaGolem holy fuck imagine if simon was living through hell in one eye and heaven in the other, ik that’s what your comment basically meant but I couldn’t imagine how someone could balance those two out all at once
@FFKonoko3 жыл бұрын
"the last woman on earth, sits in a room. There is a knock at the door." - paraphrased version of Thomas Bailey Aldrich and Fredrik Browns premise and short story. "It turned out to be a diving suit filled with goo, talking about Toronto." - SOMA
@broerlnag3 жыл бұрын
It was the last man on earth. They used all that spare time to repopulate Earth. The End. XD
@Gabriel-br4qe3 жыл бұрын
@@broerlnag well if they don’t mind the messed up incestuous implications of said repopulation
@tarnetskygge3 жыл бұрын
underrated comment
@farelegy572 жыл бұрын
@@broerlnag Simon has a woman's body lmao
@RosesTeaAndASD2 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that Simon "The Chosen One" was NOT the last human alive. It was simply a woman on life support called Sarah.
@starrs8022 жыл бұрын
? It was simon into Sarah's body The body doesnt say who you are Your mind is If you Transfer your mind into a giraffe, you arent a giraffe Your are a human with the body of a giraffe
@donivantate67142 жыл бұрын
@@starrs802 sarah was the last human bud not the body
@starrs8022 жыл бұрын
@@donivantate6714 but at the end he is the last human Again The body doesnt matter
@michaelt19312 жыл бұрын
@@starrs802 no you said simon went into sarah’s body, which is wrong. Simon never went into sarah’s body. Change your first comment, it is incorrect.
@AuralVirus2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelt1931 indeed the name on the monitor was Raleigh Harbor a character not referred to or interacted with during the entire story until then. see 47:46
@qwertyuiop423853 жыл бұрын
The creepy part for me is the weird stuff we are willing to do to other people when we rationalize it in this way. "Oh they aren't real, this is fine."
@MozzaBurger883 жыл бұрын
Well, just look at what mankind can do when they see people that are a different color, speak a different language, or even just have an accent or simply behave differently than one's little wolf-pack... And these people are very definitely real. So, yeah, try opening that can of worm of "someone" being a robot, AI, "copy" consciousness. I'm one for technological progress but mankind isn't even remotely ready and I'd rather we don't go that route.
@reddrake44513 жыл бұрын
I'd be making Drake clones and tell myself if I see me in the clone chair my name will be Bob or Steve or whatever and I will follow the me from the chair as if I was my own son. Me knowing that I am the son of myself could fairly rationalize that. Then I'd get all of my selves together and begin building a way to get the surface habitat going and eventually space. I'd wake up each person on the ark and ask if they want a robot body and help with earth or if they want ark only. Maybe some people on the surface lived in bunkers most big governments have those. We could help and protect humanity in maybe peace out into space as sentient von noiman probes.
@skullyjr89793 жыл бұрын
Bro at the end when you said “well if you guys were paying attention you know how this is going to end” I was like wait and I just started to cry
@Bigngreen3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the ending would have hit like if they reversed the "inside the Ark" scene and the "cannon after launch scene"?
@TheNinthGeneration13 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to say, with one you are left behind, with the other you now know there is one left behind
@SPLOOBS3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that would have been the better order, leave you with that pinch of existential dread. Could maybe have had hints that something was off during a longer talk on the ark or something.
@Josuh3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it would hit as hard, from the player's and ark Simon's perspective you made it and got your happy ending, credits rolls and then you get the harsh reality of the other Simon, but it wouldn't have mattered that much since you aren't playing as him anymore, you already moved on with the new simon and while it's still sad when you think about it, it's just like "wow, that's sucks, but I'm glad I'm the one that made it" This comment probably doesn't make much sense because of my shitty english wording, but I think that it would have been easier to brush off the other ending and just cherish the first one
@Fuzzel3 жыл бұрын
As I wrote in another comment: I think the other way around would be a poorer ending. One reason that wasn't touched on by the video what makes the way it was presented in the game so more powerful is that this time the player loses the coin-toss together with Simon: In the first scan two scans, the one in Toronto and the one into the Deep-Diving suite, the player follows the "active" Simon, the one that continues the story. In the end, the player is left with the "wrong" Simon, throwing him off (at least it threw me off) even if the Player understood what was about to happen. This puts you very much in the same shoes as Simon who is left at the space gun. You know how it works, you should have known better, but yet you can't help but feel cheated by the game, leaving you behind with the coin-toss-looser-Simon.
@axelsoto40113 жыл бұрын
I had never think about that... A better ending maybe? And more depressing lmao
@nkglion2 жыл бұрын
I felt Sarah. I just don’t want to die alone. I watched my mom die, I saw her take her last breath and it just reminded me of that. When it’s done it’s done. This is definitely a deep game. We just gotta remember to appreciate all aspects of life right now because we don’t know if we’ll ever lose it.
@Carbon-hl8ds4 жыл бұрын
I think I like the post-credits scene being the way it is. It brings a needed small spark of hope, of light, after the darkness that was the journey.
@Micromatical3 жыл бұрын
I think what I find the worst about this whole situation is that one day the Ark will go offline, whether through wear and tear over time or some debris hitting it directly, the ark will go offline and humanity will just cease to exist, forever.
@abeelze2 жыл бұрын
Also, without Earth's atmosphere, a solar flare could easily fry all electronic components.
@sudd36602 жыл бұрын
the ark has no humans on it, it was dead long before that.
@FlCl30002 жыл бұрын
I would assume having a few hundred years of more “life” would be nice. I’m sure somewhere in their ark plan they also hold a small belief that maybe somehow someone finds it and takes care of it or communicates with it.
@bluephoenix75652 жыл бұрын
@@FlCl3000 imagine some aliens finding it and uploading copies into androids/ bio bots...
@cocaine73712 жыл бұрын
@@bluephoenix7565 that will make a great bad sequel
@JacF67343 жыл бұрын
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
@uhkingdom3 жыл бұрын
The least Philip K. Dick thought Philip K. Dick ever had lol
@ItsAsparageese2 жыл бұрын
I think I finally, with this repetition of the quote, figured out what it means to me in the context of the game. I think it's a justification for the idea that the other Simons, every copy of every person, are all "real", because they fit this definition. Their existence doesn't hinge on being believed in, nor having damns given about them, by any particular version. No version of a Self is more real than any other.
@bigboi55032 жыл бұрын
It’s funny when you read it as a conversation. “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away, Philip.” “K, Dick.”
@synkree2 жыл бұрын
@@bigboi5503 xD
@Thlormby2 жыл бұрын
LOL dick what a silly last name
@wazopaio3 жыл бұрын
This game is honestly the most well written game I've ever played. It's just one of those stories that can ONLY work as a video game. Experiencing the story passively through a book or a film wouldn't give you the same weight. In the game, it's YOU making the decisions. It's YOU understanding the weight of your actions. It's... You... Living it. It's so insanely powerful. This game deserves all the credit it can get.
@807D14M0ND53 жыл бұрын
I love games that only work as games. Got more examples? I'll think of some.
@simla52 жыл бұрын
@@807D14M0ND5 Spec Ops: The Line? Yeah pretty much everybody heard about it by now, but the way that narrative totally twists the typical hero power fantasies is so mind blowing! And it uses every little detail to push that narrative forward - menus, transitions, music, loading screens...
@monkeysk8er332 жыл бұрын
Not the best sci-fi, not even the best sci-fi horror. Those titles belong to Mass Effect, and Dead Space. Though it IS the best FPS sci-fi survival horror. It just barely surpasses A Machine For Pigs, which still counts, even though it's not "in the future." Sci-fi doesn't mean futuristic; it can, but defaultely, does not definitively mean futuristic. This game is VERY next level, and most people who finish it, won't even fully get it, but that's because of how well written it is. You can write things that are complex and deep, and hard to comprehend (like Lovecraft), or you can write more for a mainstream, casual audience. Frictional is VERY good at writing for the former. They excel at deep moral and philosophical questions, as well as existential dread, making them the best (currently existing) horror game developer. No one comes close, outside of Visceral, but they got eviscerated (pun-intended) by EA . Thanks EA 🙄😞
@ExHyperion2 жыл бұрын
@@monkeysk8er33 mass effect? that's gotta be a joke right
@monkeysk8er332 жыл бұрын
@@ExHyperion Nope. Why do you falsely believe it's a joke? You trolling?
@alyssaeyy78783 жыл бұрын
Holy. Fuck. I am going to be 100% honest with you - I am a 16 year old, still in school, with adhd. I'm very invested in my schoolwork and I am very interested in learning my chosen subjects, and even though they are paths of knowledge that I chose - they cannot keep my attention the way this video did. I played Soma for myself when it came out for free on PS Plus a few years ago and I absolutely loved it as a psychological horror game, especially from the creators of Amnesia - a series which I already loved whole heartedly. I found this video today, an hour and nineteen minutes ago and being a huge nerd, I clicked on it. Most video essays I watch bore me; they remind me of lectures and videos posted by my teachers in school and I click off after a few minutes. From the moment I started the video, I knew I was going to watch the whole thing. I am in amazement and want to give you all the praise you'll receive from a 16 year old, as this video is truly incredible. The passion in your voice, timing with your voiceover and the editing of the video with the corresponding clips - I drank in everything you said throughout this video and thought more than I have ever in the last year (thank you covid 19). I can't believe this video only had seven views at first, and you 100% deserve every last comment or viewing or like, because this is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for making this video, and I can't wait to see what else you create.
@petrakkel58943 жыл бұрын
Bro we're basically the same
@SynphulHero3 жыл бұрын
Great comment!
@parasoldat663 жыл бұрын
Check out @VaatiVidya, he does basically this but he talks about all the lore in the Souls series instead. You'll love it.
@alyssaeyy78783 жыл бұрын
@@parasoldat66 Thank you so much!!
@UnrulyRantLordАй бұрын
I hope you took the notes to your adulthood
@4bsyarCH3 жыл бұрын
1:16:42 "Well we did." It's be hard for Catherine, to be the only one who knows the truth that they leave behind their otherselves on earth. But still, she just lets The Ark Simon think that they transfer themselves into the ark. This is where we knew that sometimes, ignorance is a blessing. I have so much respect for Catherine, she's logical thinking leads her to bring happiness to others while she bears the burden on her shoulders. They always says, "how to do this, Catherine?". But never, " how are you, Catherine?".
@Cherriheart4 жыл бұрын
The ending made me feel dread beyond belief. Especially after playing the Simon in the ark because this Simon has no idea about the other Simon back on Pathos-II. The "they're not us" line just kicks me here.
@balkanwarrioram22993 жыл бұрын
I just finished SOMA about half an hour ago, stopped dead in my tracks, sat and thought long and hard. I then looked up to see what other people think of it, and I'm glad everyone loved it. I let the old Simon live, I pulled the plug on Sarah because she wanted me to do so, I listened to Johan Ross and ended the WAU (it cost Simon half an arm, but it was the right thing to do), and I feel like I've done everything I could as best I could. I like to imagine that after the power suit Simon gets out of the pilot seat he goes and calls his old self over the intercom.
@pmc91942 жыл бұрын
Well they can't open the main doors without a working Omnitool so... And if that doesn't make you want to replay the game to ease your conscious, nothing will!
@maxh46512 жыл бұрын
There was a deconstructed omnitool in the room with simon 2 he might’ve fixed it
@Rogerthat144 Жыл бұрын
But if you chose to kill the WAU, wouldn't the old Simon be killed along with it? After all, it was only the "power suit Simon" that had the modified structure gel...
@balkanwarrioram2299 Жыл бұрын
@@Rogerthat144 True. Yeah well Power Suit Simon is doomed to die alone, or live alone, and I don't know what's worse. I have to imagine it's the second option. I'd just end it all right there after a good while of staring into the deep dark ocean.
@Rogerthat144 Жыл бұрын
@@balkanwarrioram2299 I feel ya. There's nothing left for him. Only darkness now. It does raise the question if he can "end" it though. At around 15:05 in this video Amy clearly states that "nothing is allowed to die". I know this is refering to the way that the WAU behaves, but perhaps it is also inherent to the structure gel somehow? I'm not so sure. I mean, how come Simon doesn't bleed out after losing his entire hand? He doesn't even seem to mind once it's gone. He just goes on without it. What other parts of his body could he do without? After all, he's just a dead body in a diving suit with a bunch of wires running through it. But hey, maybe his system/consciousness crashes due to the existential stress causes by the prospect of being in darkness, alone, forever. Like we've seen with Catherine and Brandon Wan, there's only so much a copied mind can handle before the plug is pulled. Man, every answer/theory leads to more and more questions. I just finished it yesterday btw. I'm not much of a horror game fan, so I had to push on and take breaks in between (especially at Theta)... but I am glad I did. It's easily in my top 10 games. The story is actually comparable to a great scifi novel. It's amazing.
@Explohsin3 жыл бұрын
If Simon didn’t kill his clone, he wouldn’t have been alone in the end, if he kept the last human alive he would’ve been able to talk to her too. This is the most interesting ending I’ve ever seen
@palkoescobar59973 жыл бұрын
If he wouldn't've killed the last living human for that reason, he would've been selfish, and she would never want to talk to Simon ever again.
@gabevenderdahl16423 жыл бұрын
@@palkoescobar5997 I also question how the original Simon would’ve felt about that, imagine thinking that a copy of you left this person to suffer just in case you might make it to them, I think that would devestate me, to think I was willing to cause someone more suffering just to possibly benefit myself
@Akay44444444444444443 жыл бұрын
You can leave the previous Simon if you want
@nagabe63942 жыл бұрын
And the conversation will be: "please kill me" "but I don't want to be alone" "please, I want to die" "stop being so selfish!" That's not depressing at all.
@brocksmith12562 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the last human die when power went out? Or did her life support have a battery
@Master392223 жыл бұрын
Played through the game twice. The ending brought me to tears both times, that's my biggest fear in life. Dying alone, with no one to be there for you.
@ussliberty88983 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, we all die alone.
@haydenoffman34333 жыл бұрын
@@ussliberty8898 only one space in the coffin
@chief_mourner3 жыл бұрын
Watch the anime Rakugou. It made me feel differently about death, as someone who is so afraid of it.
@silveredbullet8023 жыл бұрын
There's this and then there's "What will happen to you when you die? Where do you go? Will you just exist as a consciousness in the void? Or just nothing......endless nothing...."
@Master392223 жыл бұрын
@@silveredbullet802 I'm not religious from my early teen years. So i already have the worldview/mentality that when we die we just cease to exist. There is nothing "after". Call it Nihilistic, cynic or whatever. I just don't believe in an afterlife and don't want to bother myself with it either. We are alive only once (allegedly) so i try to enjoy my time here without concerning myself about the ever after. However from times to times i do get that feeling that "damn, what if?" and it really is pretty dark and gets you anxious.
@journey2finland5954 жыл бұрын
i bought this knowing nothing about it but positive reviews. I was going through suicide thought. I thought this was the last game I'll ever play. The ending changed my life course. I was having thoughts what happens when I die then this game literally showed me what happens if EVERYONE dies. I made me think about how important life is
@m0n4rch9114 жыл бұрын
Don't over think it friend. It's tough times and you think you are weak but actually ur just vulnerable right now and you're tougher than you thought if you just give yourself some time to think things over. Never do things in impulse, specially at critical moments and think things through in repeat till you find something worthy to cling on and we do it on and on and on and just keep trying coz there's no reload option "Not that we're aware off". Make it count, do things you like no matter how little it is, don't mind the things you don't have and be realistic on how to get it, value the things you have coz you considered leaving it or them. Live a long life buddy, enjoy the simple things. It gets better if you know where to look.
@serpent68274 жыл бұрын
That's awesome dude. Games often get a lot of shit for the violence that happens in real life. It's really cool to know that a videogame helped you get through those tough times. I'm glad that it changed your life course because we often take life for granted and when we are exposed to something, such as SOMA, that makes us realize that our lives are more precious than we give it credit for, then it makes us able to enjoy the little things more. This game has easily been one of the most profound and existential games I have ever experienced and I honestly think it deserves more praise.
@cool_dude_like_really4 жыл бұрын
Yea buddy we are here in this comment section to check up on you, give us an update
@anti-ethniccleansing4654 жыл бұрын
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@journey2finland5954 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna fuck a lot of beautiful women
@neonnoir96923 жыл бұрын
I still legitimately cannot watch Simon kill that robot for its chip. I looked around for a solid hour for a chip in hopes I wouldn't have to hurt the guy in the robot or the K8 who had been helping me, but I was forced to kill one of them. The K8 being afraid of me afterwards was devestating.