The GARMIN EPIX Has Been CANCELED?! | GARMIN Rumors

[@paulgal]

I have the Epix gen 2 and it’s amazing my battery lasts 14 days after 2 years. Wont be upgrading for another few years

[@smartinussen]

Thank you for making such a calm video compared to all other noise laden videos, vid fast cut transitions, no time to breathe and just going all out non-stop to keep viewers engaged. It does not work for me and is the quickest way to get me to skip the video. Your style of video kept me paying attention all the way. Thanks for making a difference here on KZbin.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Wow thanks so much for the kind words. I'm still figuring out a lot about editing and putting together quality videos, but I know I'm not heading toward jump cuts every 2 seconds, just not my style. I appreciate you taking the time to provide some feedback! 💪🏃

[@allisonbogosian3802]

couldn't agree more! Loved this right to the point, factual and calm video. Was so easy to watch and stay engaged!

[@shawnshiobara]

Amen to that! It seems like either vloggers go into sensory overload mode or AI voice reading a script mode these days. It's so nice to just have a human talking to us like we were sitting across from them - the way it should be. Thanks @DaveDoesFitness!

[@spiritofnorth]

MIP display fits me better to Garmin watches, rather than fancy AMOLED. Very happy with my Enduro 2.

[@-zerocool-]

Move with the times bro

[@Adventures4vida]

I prefer the AMOLED.

[@adamkreuz9068]

I bought the Epix because the maps are more detailed on the AMOLED screen. I don't plan on upgrading for awhile so if they decide to just keep improving the Fenix, that sounds good to me

[@allisonbogosian3802]

I got a fenix a couple of years ago (coming from being an Apple user). I wanted to love it but just couldn't and feel the biggest barrier for me was the awful screen. I also found it very difficult to learn (not intuitive) so I quickly gave it up and went back to Apple and ultimately the Apple Ultra. That said, I recently got into marathon training. Had always been an endurance sport person (just not running)...I did a lot of hiking/mountain climbing, tris, etc but when I began marathon training I was looking for that better battery life with all the other bells and whistles...which brought me to my Epix Pro Gen 2 which I LOVE (plus I'm very petite with like child size wrists so having the choice of size was HUGE). Anyway, I quickly fell in love with my Epix (which I was doubtful of given my experience with Fenix_ but I have fully given up using my AWU. so when I saw this vid I was originally freaked out but now I'm happy if it just means the AMOLED screen goes to the Fenix...since I have now learned and feel comfortable with the Garmin interface that used to scare me.

[@dnserror89]

I agree with your findings. I also think that due to Epix's succes, the Fenix line will be AMOLED from now on. And yeah, the E model will likely be a MIP display. It makes sense though.. I personally prefer MIP displays, but so many people prefer AMOLED and Fenix is a strong brand which carries much more value and is better known than the EPIX brand. So yeah the EPIX brand is probably done for.

[@m.goedeker7381]

The mip display is crap. Ffor hiking, diving and daytime it just sucks, full stop. Its the reason why I bought an Apple Ultra. But Apples battery sucks, no offline maps and doesn’t last for an ultra.

[@allisonbogosian3802]

@@m.goedeker7381 this exactly....just wrote almost exact same comment. I couldn't stand my fenix because the screen (and I'm a huge hiker/mountain climber etc) so always stayed with the AWU but the battery sucked. So I just recently fell in LOVE with the Epix Pro Gen 2 because it ticks all my boxes!

[@m.goedeker7381]

@@allisonbogosian3802 i think there is another one called the coralis or something simular that has an insane amount of life to it that lasts for a gps 100k ultra. I think garmin needs to push a bit more. And add solar charging too.

[@NaviNavi-1uu8tg]

@@m.goedeker7381For you it sucks. MIP is one of most popular watches on market for a reason. Fenix 7 pro sapphire solar titanium is perfect. Seen people talk crap about it because it doesn’t have Google assistant 🤣.

[@jsrunningfitness]

Consolidated models makes sense, they conflict with each other too much that I couldn’t decide and have stuck with my 955 for now. I want the Epix Gen 2 with LTE so I can ditch the smartphone. Being in the UK I need to pray a bit harder for that.

[@MrMagicFreedom]

I think LTE support will be the game changer for a lot of people!

[@offdagrid877]

It could also be that the Epix isn’t being updated this time around. It’s pretty much perfect as it stands.

[@ChandraNaresh]

The faster they consolidate the models (demand for MIP display models dwindling) the better for Garmin. The line up for an average consumer has to be simple with clear difference in features with good value for money. Garmin that way is moving in the right direction 🤞😃

[@rideSYV246]

Great researching for us Garmin fans! Thanks! I upgraded from a Fenix to an epix Pro G2 with a release date of 05/31/2023. If the cycle is 2 years, still leaves 1 to go. Just recently updated firmware to 17.28. It seems from all the media attention and influence that the epix Pro and MARQ (based on epix) is here to stay and the Fenix released in 2022 is more for the ultra athlete or longer battery life needs. imho anyway…

[@DogDog173]

well, I for one am happy that the number of models is decreasing and there is a consolidation of models finally. it was always super confusing.

[@mohamadjamil3164]

Agree with your predictions as the epix is way more pleasant to the eye despite the battery consumption. For me, bright display everyday and I just hate how dull and cheap the fenix display is especially at night

[@Jay-sd9ye]

The amoled screen is pointless..my 265 looks pretty but I'm not using the amoled screen anymore than a mip display. No better watch faces. And I'm tired of raise to wake.. I'm losing screen visibility and battery life. I want my old instinct back... I won't buy another amoled watch

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Yeah, they're the most popular display type, but no doubt they're not for everyone. Seems like the new instinct or Fenix E would be right up your alley when you look for a new watch. Thanks for watching! 💪🏃

[@temjim]

Epix 1 was also the first one to integrate maps before the fenix line. Then fenix 5x came out with the maps and Epix 2 did not come out until the amoled update. Seems like they are using the epix line to test features for the fenix lineup.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

While this would be a crazy product strategy... You're definitely right that historically the Epix has come in with a big new feature and then been cut when that feature makes its way to the Fenix. Good observation 👍

[@VernL4]

For me, I am amazed at how many comments there are on the Garmin forums with people asking for a Fenix with an AMOLED screen. So many people did not know the Epix existed, or that is was the AMOLED version of the Fenix. For me, I prefer the MIP screen. I detest the raise to wake feature. Raise to wake (on all brands) is flawed. I see watches light up all the time when they make any movement- not necessarily being raised to look at the screen.

[@ThomasHoffDE]

they don't light up unless you click a button to turn off an alarm. mine stays in sleep mode until I "wake it". I like the morning report - think it's a great feature - I can understand others may not want it

[@ToolCraze]

I have mine on always on display

[@-zerocool-]

rAiSe tO wAke iS fLaWeD 😂😂

[@mikeprytherch8875]

Seems to make sense to me, the S70 Golf watch has different AMOLED sizes and more pixels, in the UK there are some amazing deals on the Epix Gen 2 right now, 40% off and I'm sure that is Garmin dumping the stock

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Oh that's interesting. My knowledge of the S lineup is as good as my golf game 😬 so I didn't know they had choices at size as well.

[@deanrwilson]

As long as it has that Amoled display. Battery technology is getting better so we should be able to have our cake and eat it too.! MIP displays don't do high detailed mapping anywhere as well if you want contrast and detail IMO. If your a visual person OLED is king.

[@mikem4215]

No chance they introduce a new hr sensor past gen 5 when the current marq is still on gen 4

[@joeperez1265]

To note, my understanding is that this retailer dont carry sapphire watches. So even though there is only one E version listed, chance it only because they, themselves won’t carry the other size w MIP.

[@bernie7884]

Do you think they will make another Tactix watch or has that been discontinued forever?

[@-zerocool-]

Damn, Garmin moving fully onto the AMOLED display for the Fenix line would be massive and still giving the traditional display to those who like it.

[@milfern]

The Epix 3 will be back when Garmin want`s to test out a new super-screen in one of their watches.

[@muroami3076]

Do you think last Epix model will be discounted? Should I Buy Epix or the latest “FENIX 8”

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Yes, the base Epix has been discounted pretty low recently, don't think the Pro has gotten too low though. Tough to say if it's worth getting the Fenix 8 until we see what Garmin has in store. Thanks for watching! 💪🏃

[@mloverine]

I thought the cost of my Fenix 5 was outlandish. Now seeing $1000+ for the Fenix 8 is unreal.

[@rosivison6526]

Great video thanks. One thing I would love to see on the Garmin watches in LTE. That would make all the difference and would mean being able to ditch my apple watch in favour of garmin which I have been using more as I have been getting in to health and fitness more. I do have an Epix Pro 2 at the moment just because the screen is brighter, but it is a good watch.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

I'm riding shotgun on that LTE bandwagon! 😂

[@speedlever]

@@DaveDoesFitness I have to wonder what the battery hit will be for the LTE version. 🤔

[@nicholas5396]

With the fenix getting amoled display i pontificated they would drop the epix. Its been an phenomenal watch though.

[@ThomasSmith-kg6dk]

I am currently having problems with my Epix Pro 2. I contacted Garmin support 2weeks ago for my watch freezing up when saving actives. I have to soft reset to get it off the frozen saving screen. I am not the only one I was added to a work ticket. I had to send files to Garmin support. I will be contacting support back tomorrow to see what the fix is going to be.

[@billscully2521]

I have the instinct 2x and love the durability and screen. Was looking to get the epix, worth getting on sale or wait. My only hesitation is scratching the bezel. Thoughts

[@DaveDoesFitness]

My bezel definitely has a few scratches, but has held up great for over two years and a little battle wear adds character 😁. I do use a screen protector to protect from scratches

[@ToolCraze]

They sell watch cases that protect the bezel if you're into that

[@paulaitken8355]

It appears you might be right, as I’ve experienced the confusion of their line up when purchasing my Instinct 2X which I love Is there any truth in the rumour they may introduce an ability to answer calls on either the Fenix 8 or Instinct 3? As although I consider myself a fitness watch person rather than a smartwatch person, the ability to answer a call would be nice! Although I know the Venu 3 is for that customer.

[@kaianthony8077]

Not surprised - If they had just called it Fenix 7 AMOLED they would have captured more attention initially

[@Bicyclekelly]

I never owned a Garmin watch but looking to buy one in late 2024. I’m very active, cycling, running, weight lifting and I’m very interested in heart rate etc…. But I’m not rich either…. Any suggestions?

[@pcraenme]

It’s just a name and Fenix is a vet strong Garmin brand. So a Fenix 8 is in fact an Epix Gen2 2 (Pro), which would be a very confusing name, so better name it a Fenix 8. The 8 E would a a combo of the old Fenix and Enduro, with a MIP display, so longer battery life. So not only the Epix name is disappearing, but also the Enduro.

[@texasjmd]

So I guess no Pro model either? Or that will come later? I haven’t had my Epix 2 Sapphire edition that long. Got it on sale for $699

[@DaveDoesFitness]

That's a good question! The "Pro" versions are always released as a mid-generation update. So you could theoretically expect an 8 Pro somewhere around late 2025 early 2026. Thanks for watching! 💪🏃

[@billscully2521]

Where did you get it at 699

[@texasjmd]

@@billscully2521 Best Buy had a sale. It ended up going down to $599 later on in another sale.

[@mariuszel759]

Aftery forst smartwatch. Is epix gen 2 Pro a good long term watch?

[@DaveDoesFitness]

If you're looking for a fitness focused watch with some smartwatch features then it's the best out there. You may want to wait for the Fenix 8 in less than 2 months to see if that offers a large enough upgrade to make that preferable

[@ThomasHoffDE]

love my epix gen 2 and would be fine if they call it Fenix (actually liked that name better). Agree amoled is huge plus for most user. curious about the Marq - any rumors about Gen 3?

[@tverdich]

I got you to 1K subs! This is a great review. Love my Epix Pro 2. I am considering the new Samsung Ultra watch due to the AI features.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

1K! That's awesome! Thanks for your sub and support 💪🏃 I did see the Ultra launched today, I'll have to read up on it to see how it stacks vs the Apple Watch Ultra or any Garmin offerings

[@MrAspen]

Okay bro. Ill subscribe. I know the struggle with getting followers. Take care 🙂

[@80lives]

It's a no brainer to fusion both. The Epix has always been a Fenix with an AMOLED screen, that is it. 2 years ago I bought a Fenix 7, I couldn't live with the horrendous screen for the price I had paid. It felt like the screen of an 80's Casio. So went back the next day and for 100 bucks more got the Epix. I never looked back. So the Epix is not being killed at all, you are not presenting it correctly. Gamin is doing what they should've always done: simply update the Fenix screen to the 21st century and keep on going.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

I'd argue that the Epix brand was targeted at a different demographic than the Fenix so it was distinct in at least that manner. Was it a Fenix with an OLED? Definitely. Did Garmin do what they could to differentiate it from the Fenix? Of course. If there is no Epix 3 then the Epix line is killed off, and I felt I explained that well in the video and am not baiting, but can respect your opinion in seeing it differently. Either way, thanks for watching and taking the time to provide some feedback! 💪🏃

[@rogierd7408]

​@@DaveDoesFitnessAgree here, I think that's exactly what you said. Solid video Sir!

[@Francisyrah]

Agreed, I couldn’t get used to that horrible screen and bought an Epix , and sold the fénix

[@pavolhorvath7850]

@@Francisyrah You dont know what you are talking about. Fenix MIP display is excellent for its intents and purposes.

[@Francisyrah]

@@pavolhorvath7850 I know what I’m talking about as I had that watch for 6 months. It’s terrible and you can see imperfections on the screen

[@RicardoOliveira-tu7qe]

And what about tactix?

[@DaveDoesFitness]

That's a good question. The Tactix was on a roughly 2 year release schedule from Original, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, all the way to 7. The OLED came out 1.5 years after and based on the April '22 release date of the 7 series I would say the model is due for an update soon, but I haven't seen any information about it. I think the Fenix and Epix were so similar in software that they were almost duplicative, but the Tactix has quite a few differentiating factors that make it distinct from the more mainstream offerings.

[@davidvitez9357]

I could not wait and upgraded from fenix 5 plus titanium dlc , wich last 6 years and still work to epix pro . Love amoled , and hope they last at least 5 year also . I hope the new model won't be much better because it will piss me off that I didn't last a few months 😂

[@singhmandip4396]

Hi was thinking of buying the Garmin Epix if l buy it and they decide to not make it anymore and not give any updates. Will it be completely useless? Will it still work for mapping and navigation?

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Garmin does a great job of supporting their products for quite a while. Even the Fenix 5 got an update not too far back and the Fenix 6 still gets them as well. I would say you can safely purchase an Epix knowing it will still get a couple years of updates and even when updates stop the features such as maps and navigation will still function. Thanks for watching the video! 💪🏃

[@bonn1771]

Felix 8 or epic 3. Is going to be amazing

[@JasonRaneses]

Or Fenix and Epix if you were to use the right product names

[@bonn1771]

@@JasonRaneses autocorrect

[@chmurcio1]

Epix 3 will appear half a year later, when everyone buys Fenix ​​8. Garmin plays well ;):):) .

[@pavolhorvath7850]

How's that well play? If everyone buys Fenix, no one will buy Epix.

[@fabianom.1040]

But with the AMOLED screen is possible to insert also the solar panel? 🤔

[@speedlever]

I’ve seen conversations about this subject indicating the battery drain of the LED vs the small impact of a solar panel make it impractical.

[@AnnieSpit]

Great and well thought out video. I have had Garmins for a long time since switching from Suunto. I have had forerunners and Fenix 7 pro. I then got the Tactix 7 which I now have up for sale on EBay as I really want to get the Apple Ultra 2. I think Garmin have been extremely boring in their take on a fitness watch and I think Apple are now hot on their heels albeit for the battery life. You are so right in that they have too many models to offer which actually don’t offer that much. Their battery life is good but the layout can be very complicated. Their watch faces are so uninspiring. I also think they are incredibly expensive. Thank you again.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Thanks for watching and I appreciate you taking the time to post a comment. I don't have an iPhone so don't have an Apple Watch, but don't know anyone with complaints other than the need for daily charging. The Ultra looks nice and I'm sure the new model will impress!

[@danielvargo4498]

I absolutely love my epix pro sapphire i just houhgtmo bought it couple months ago its suxh a great watch i dont use it for notifications just for working out and hiking

[@mikem4215]

Is the fenix 8 gonna make u bigger, faster and stronger?!

[@pavolhorvath7850]

Sure enough, it is. Mostly faster.

[@andyjohnson9714]

Forerunner?

[@christers4656]

Fenix 8 E as in e-sim ?

[@DaveDoesFitness]

I had that thought as well, I keep looking for any signs of LTE 😆, but the reduced price compared to the other models in the lineup would indicate it wouldn't have extra features the others are missing

[@christers4656]

⁠@@DaveDoesFitnessThe reduced price is one thing bit the model is smaller. 🤔

[@ActiveIdeas]

Donnnnnn't do it GARMIN 😭

[@sdcoinshooter]

I love my Epix 2, the biggest reason is the display, Fenix can not compete with the brightness. I was really looking forward to the Epix 3

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Seems like it's arriving soon in all, but name. Fenix 8 = Epix 3

[@pavolhorvath7850]

I dont know, what you mean with brightness. Fenix display is brighter on direct sunlight than Amoled, and in the dark it is also bright more than enough, with backlight. Amoled might be nicer, but surely not brighter.

[@sdcoinshooter]

@@pavolhorvath7850 Ahh No, I had both, and the reason I kept the Epix was the display. Tell you what, I’ll change my statement to it is easier to read. There, feel better now?

[@pavolhorvath7850]

@@sdcoinshooter Yeah, much better.

[@AniKulkarni]

It is the right direction for Garmin. Stick to variations of the same exclusive model - easier to choose for customers.

[@DaveDoesFitness]

Yes, it's a little surprising a huge business like Garmin didn't have a more long term product strategy that they reintroduced the Epix brand and then pulled it a few years later, but I fully agree that streamlining is the right move going forward 👍

[@JasonRaneses]

Weird place to put your microphone. Maybe on the shirt next time?

[@NickBEADG]

MIP is dead. Not sure what they'll call the next line. My Epix Pro 51mm with the amoled screen's battery lasts longer than my Fenix 7xSS 51mm did.

[@AshleyAlgire]

amzwatch You are so well-informed about luxury watches. You've obviously done your due diligence and the comparison to the US is very informative...because of course, I live in New York. thank you very much

[@RadBunny2269]

Do you really think this is accidental? These are soft tests Garmin asks third parties to do to gauge consumer feedback.