The Genetic Heritage Of The Mentors - 40K Theories

[@luxither7354]

If I were to be any space marine, a mentor doesn't sound too bad. Teaching others and aquring knowledge to better teach others sounds like an interesting role to play in the Warhammer40k universe.

[@Ajehy]

Same. Can’t be worse than being an IRL substitute teacher!

[@luxither7354]

@@Ajehy You'd be the fun sub teacher of Warhammer40k world, with the note of bad behaviour being a mention of heresy to the commissar.

[@phreakazoith2237]

In the Warhammer 40k universe it rather sounds like a dangerous role to play. Maybe it's less dangerous when you are a superhuman Astartes but dangerous nevertheless. The inquisition will most likely not kick in your fortress monasteries's door at night but their watchdogs are everywhere looking for those too interested in knowledge.

[@luxither7354]

@@phreakazoith2237 Danger is a given in the 40k Universe, and as an Astarte, that danger is probably minimal in comparison to if you were a regular human. Legit, if I was cursed to be in that Universe, I'd immediately try and be a Space Marine as its better to have the chance of being able to handle the Universe of 41st Millennium than just be at the whim of either a Superior officers lasgun blowing your head off for heresy or a Hivefleet deciding your world as its next meal.

[@AlphariusandOmegon]

Its based on the way many special forces operate in the real world today.

[@MrAbawmidabull]

Their methods seem similar to Unification Era Emperor's Children, given they also primarily deployed alongside the early "Imperial Guard" and led unaugmented humans into battle. Rather than deploying exclusively with other space marines.

[@barlotardy]

I thought that had more to do with their low numbers at the time..

[@thatdoppioguy1825]

Lamenters moment

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@thatdoppioguy1825 you called?

[@thatdoppioguy1825]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 Sir do you need a hug

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@thatdoppioguy1825 yeah

[@KingFlameHawk]

Mentors, the freshmakers.

[@40KTheories]

Just don't give them any carbonated beverages

[@Uzzgub]

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[@StealthNinja4577]

Mentors freshen up your life *jingle*

[@covahredro8370]

@@StealthNinja4577 Mentor's freshness, Mentor's freshly purging mutant life.

[@Lord-Inquisitor]

The Alpha Legion don't even know what side their on. "Pride themselves on knowing everything..." bahahahahahaha

[@Zero01k]

Just the way they want you to think

[@grimaldur778]

So basically another Space Marine game with you as a Mentor would be the coolest crap ever as you'd have a character who adapts to a variety of situations, will go out of their way to see what imperial forces are up to, hunt down particularly stubborn enemies and go searching through areas that might contain useful data and/or otherwise information.

[@loganb7059]

That actually would be cool. Could be where you have to go around a group of systems and strategically train the PDF for some incoming invasion, with infinite ways you could go about preparing things. Do you focus on one world, do you jump around training one world at a time, or do you split your forces and train up the whole sector but with less Mentors to a world.

[@stavrosg1113]

Sign me up!!

[@Matt-md5yt]

Great to see a updated video on the Mentors. I love their color scheme and lore

[@tmontgomery9255]

Marine bill tans lol.

[@alanmerino9440]

Man Spear of the Emperor's plot twist still gets to me to this day.

[@40KTheories]

The scene with "This is a glorious da- oh no my head's come off"?

[@alanmerino9440]

@@40KTheories yeah. :(

[@TenPtJackalope]

Dude, I’m rereading it for the dozenth time and it still hits hard.

[@MrJara1018]

Yeah........ upsetting, shocking , so many questions...... I hope there are more books featuring the sentinels of the veil chapters......

[@lukejames7931]

This was the reason I'm a bit sketchy about them being DA successors, I can't imagine them being ok to work with the Inquisition.

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

Dark Angels are quivering in fear rn knowing someone out there other than alpharius are as secretive as they are

[@trevorberryhill2398]

3 things: First- when transplanting organs, doctors often look to the closest living family member first, as there is far less chance of rejection. Given how valuable and how much goes into making an Astartes, every possible way to prevent organ rejection should be used to ensure such a commodity is not wasted. Second: A reason The Mentors could be of 1st legion stock is because of their motus operati. How else to better scout for fallen than to assign as many operatives as far and wide as possible under the ospace of teaching or aiding fellow Imperial forces all over the galaxy? A believable cover for a truly emense scouting mission. Third- The possibility of chimeric geneseed. The Mentors conform well and obey the chain of command nearly as close as an Ultramarine or a Novamarine does the Codex Astares, but also their penchant for secrecy much like Dark Angels. To add to this, the secrecy the serf was sworn to would hint that the Spears were close to the truth of the geneseed, just not entirely on. Especially given in her memoirs she could not stress enough that she did not reveal chapter secrets about their geneseed.

[@mtcondie]

So they are Green Berets...

[@dr.bethingham2939]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking of this analogy!

[@docvaliant721]

SOG

[@Ajehy]

Green helmets!

[@tictoc3148]

Force multipliers 👍

[@gryphonofmight]

My guess is they are alpha legion though because they have the same basic structure of secrecy and separating into different units

[@sardauk3038]

ah yes, the Biel-tan Marines

[@rapson158]

This is basically marines saying: "screw it, how about you fight instead of calling space marines for everything".

[@gryphonofmight]

For some reason I always thought they had some ties to the blood ravens

[@LAV-III]

Must be the bird head. Then again successor chapters can have successor chapters so who knows. That doesn’t however explain who their primarch is

[@gryphonofmight]

@@LAV-III true. it still doesnt

[@bloodraven7237]

they are not part of our lineage we deny any involvement with them

[@AJPDing]

@@bloodraven7237 The lineage of Trazyn the Infinite?

[@Gibresol]

If by that ya mean they have a chaos primary, I believe you are right. Alpharious here and Magnus for the Blood Ravens.

[@SgtThiel]

I thought that becoming a primaris was risky shit, now it is a senzu bean...

[@retroicdescent]

Haha yeah, a senzu bean that heals and take you right into super saiyan 2.

[@roguepsykerhaaker4813]

@@retroicdescent so a senzu when taken by a near death saiyan then

[@gladosv2.0.02]

Since 1988 I never worried about it. Then Spears suggested it was Ultramarine, but now I just don't know what to think. More importantly though, when I'm asked which is my squad sergeant, I reply "All of them!". Just wish they could get some of their unique weaponry back in game.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

Finally! You cover my second fav chapter again. You made my night. Thank you lore master! Have a fantastic rest of your day!!

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

The Alpha Legion warband named [REDACTED] also work for the SCP Foundation, it seems

[@ashraffhashrin4196]

A shard of the Emperor?! how i am blessed 2 be in your presence!!!

[@ariza7654]

To be honest if scp 682 was in the 40k universe it would have been dead the seacond it came in contact with 20 votex grenade

[@ashraffhashrin4196]

@@ariza7654 but there is a chance, but ah just let the nids deal with him

[@ariza7654]

@@ashraffhashrin4196 well we have boddy G with BIG E sword, we have the ultra warp, we have exterminatus, we have life eater virus, we have alot of other thing that can kill him

[@Restilia_ch]

They'd make a good MTF for memetic threats.

[@icosaphilia6342]

Ultramarines are also notable for having good relationships with most imperial forces, they’re among the most likely to integrate plans between themselves and guard or militias where the arrogance of some chapters may lead them to act independently and without coordination

[@TK199999]

Its now believed the Mentors are an Ultramarine successor chapter. Their heraldry and tactics (including their secretive nature) are actually quite similar to certain Chapters of Ultramarine legion during the Great Crusade.

[@drekbleh7081]

Dark angels, on the lookout for fallen trying to blend in the imperium

[@Duppyman695]

I like the idea of covert Dark Angels

[@earltheartist3697]

hmm could it be the genetic lineage of horus? just a thought

[@gabrielm.942]

What if they’re an amalgamation of all the Loyalist Primarchs? So they get a diverse amount of tactical opinions and mindsets

[@Uncommoner]

Could it be possible that the Mentors are a successor of the Alpha Legion, but carry Omegon's gene seed instead of Alpharious? It is true that they are twins, but the years since the Heresy may have resulted in a divergence between the two lines. 40k noob, so may be totally off base ramblings

[@100thMkey]

dont forget their Spanish brothers, aka "La Mentors" .............

[@accusedflyer3024]

Ohhhhhhh.... HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[@Demigodish4o3]

Take my upvote and get out

[@reignick1133]

Or, do not forget their similarly as sneaky and secretive Web surfing brothers the "TOR-Mentors". I'm not sorry for that Dad level pun. I hurt myself with that one.

[@DharkDemonBlade]

What about their French brothers Le Mentors, ( idk y sometimes I read it like that)

[@ariza7654]

@@reignick1133 terminator chaplain, bother TORMENTER

[@trajanfidelis]

Perhaps a video on the Raptors space marine chapter?

[@jamesmccutcheon5591]

I think that Corvus Corax is the most likely parent. If you go by the fluff an not the tabletop he is all about gathering Intel, recon missions and getting the best tech to pull off said missions. This Primarch was also all about saving the most people with the least Space Marines possible. Look at the way he freed his home world. Look at the way he fought an over whelming Khrave force to save a human world that the Khrave had ruled for generations. Look at the way he hated being forced to attack Gate 42 the way other legions would. Look at the way he hated how Horus had been using the Ravenguard as hunting hounds. An as far as the functioning gene seed, well I personally believe it would be very easy to take the last novel written by Edgar Allen Poe shortly before his death an transform it into a story about a Primarch going into the Eye of Terror on a one way mission of vengeance. An leaving the realm of imagination only when he is able to leave his pain, vengeance and regrets behind. An I also personally feel it would be poetic if the Primarch who was based on the man who helped inspire the creation of Sherlock Holmes and who wrote the most famous story involving the Spanish Inquisition has spent millennium as a secret Inquisator. To me they are the most recent sons of the Primarch of the Ravenguard.

[@mouseketeery]

I'm going with Big Bob being their Dad. The whole "they're a bit secretive" thing can be applied to tons of Chapters. Including Ultra successors.

[@Alexander-uf9ls]

Well, its kinda boring that they were outright confirmed in The Spear of the Emperor to be Ultramarines successors

[@40KTheories]

There's a flaw with Ducarius's reasoning however, as highlighted in this video ;)

[@Alexander-uf9ls]

@@40KTheories "although, a minute one" :) Still hoping them to be something else. Even the name Mentor LEGION was giving them a special flavour.

[@40KTheories]

A minute possibility is still a possibility :P Personally I'd like them to be something more unexpected, like maybe Iron Hands or something?

[@moltenpanther3736]

@@40KTheories or maybe they are similar to the minatours and work for the high lord or inquisition? Would be interesting if they were dark angels that were cast out for some unknown reason

[@LupusGr3y]

Why? This constant "unknown lineage" stick is getting boring to me. It stopped being interesting 72 chapters ago. That one is actually confirmed for once is a breath of fresh lore

[@DeathBringer769]

I think you broke your "indeed" record for this video, lol ;)

[@canis2020]

I still don't understand how a body that is too mangled to be interred into a dreadnaught can be a fleshy primaris with no I'll effects.

[@Digitaaliklosetti]

Duct tape. Like, a LOT of duct tape

[@James-ep2bx]

If memory serves wasn't Alpharus suspected of having a twin? If true this could open up the possibility that while successors to the 20th legion, their progenitor wasn't Alpharus, but his twin

[@Fordo007]

You mean Omegon?

[@James-ep2bx]

@@Fordo007 I believe so, I'm just accounting for potential flaws in my knowledge base as I've only got a passing degree of interest in the lore

[@Mugdorna]

That pair of twins were identical

[@James-ep2bx]

@@Mugdorna ah but despite what many believe identical twins aren't inherently 100% genetically identical, and even in those that start that way drift usually happens over their lifetime, now the fact we're dealing with genetically engineered science fantasy super soldiers does mean real life need not apply, but there's nothing that I'm aware of saying it can't

[@Dan-lt3nk]

Sons of the Hydra is one of my favourite chaos related black library novels. Loved the Redacted and I really hope they release more.

[@SirDarthDragon]

Their intelligence, analysis and readyness to work with the Guard means, the Iron Warriors cant be ruled out either

[@symbiojoe6857]

You should make a 1st April episode called "Who is you Space Daddy? And what does he do?"

[@tomofruinn6628]

Love your videos, very informative. Would love to see a "What if the traitor legions didn't retreat after the death of Horus" theory video.

[@troabarton69]

I liked the theory they're Iron Hands successors who were created by the Mechanicus for testing new toys.

[@guardianaerdan8588]

Was not aware of this chapter, a pleasant video.

[@ericmumper6821]

Perfect timing! I am reading Spear of the Emperor right now. Excited to listen to this.

[@Kamarov2090]

Organs ? what are those ? - yours sincerely Iron hands

[@fireborn]

The flesh is weak!

[@covahredro8370]

An Instrument for playing music.

[@gryphonofmight]

Is it possible they use a chimeric alpha legion/ultramarines geneseed?

[@jt9565]

Well I arrive late to this video. Mentor legions are one of my top 3 favourites chapters, I love their Navy Seal, Delta Force, Green Beret, kind of thematic I think is really original for a space marine chapter. Here are a couple of points I always thought about the mentors: 1- since it is a highly experimental chapter for everything, we must take into account that this is like this even at a biological level...members of unusual strenght and bigger than average...sounds like a primaris or at least a prototype, not full primaris, but some level of experimentation for them. 2- Since we know that Cawl and Seydane are the same, and Seydane wasn't a member of the mechanicus and was more than eager to use experimental and forbiden science, and we know that cawl does it too maybe because of the symbiotic mind they share AND it is there the rumor that cawl might have used genseed from the traitor legions in some primaris at least parcially. My point here is that, maybe, cawl and the mechanicus were trying to see if they could create new stable genseeds by extracting stable parts from various ones (including those traits considered to be "positive" from the traitor legions) and mixing them up to create new stable geneseeds so, in fact all those chapters mentioned could be part of their genetics, they are wise and efficient in war, as the ultras, they are stealth as the ravens, they are spies as the alpha and they have inner circle theme like Dark Angels. Maybe that is the reason why the star scorpions are said to have unusual and destructive mutations, because it was a first phase experiment that went wrong, in fact, maybe the got too much of the Alpha Legion in their genes and that's why they suffered from so many mutations.

[@Firefalcon88]

I’d like to believe they’re a mix of Alpha Legion and Ravenguard, or just Alpha Legion. After the Alpha Legion stole the brand new, advanced geneseed stocks, provided to Corax from the Emperor; they kept it for themselves for future use, realizing the potential it provided. They then used this geneseed, mixed with theirs, to create a new legion that could be outwardly pro-Imperium, using techniques and tactics similar to them and the Ravenguard, since both legions’ doctrines compliment eachother extremely well. This new legion could be outwardly loyalist, whereas the AL is clearly deep undercover (or are they?) and cannot blow their cover. They have to support the Imperium from the shadows of the darkest parts of the galaxy, whereas these Astartes can provide everything the AL have going for them, without having to play the long-con and mind games. The mixed heritage would also sow doubt and confusion as to their origins and throw off anyone who digs into them and doesn’t see any clear indicators of what specific geneseed they inherited. It could be enough to put some distance between them and the AL, keeping any of the traitors from being more suspicious than they may already be.

[@Fyrwulf]

I figure they're probably Ultramarines. It's pretty clear to me that they're meant to be facsimiles of the US Army's Special Forces Groups and any similarity to the Raven Guard is merely coincidental.

[@Zeeke01]

By the emperor! Yes this is gladly appreciated! Keep up the good work Inquisitor!

[@gjsncr]

I'm hugely in favor of the Mentors being Alpha Legion descendants.

[@arielhamm-flores6893]

hahaha good job on voice acting the spears forever cannon now for me and say hi to that vaults of Tarra guy you sound like you could be brothers

[@Hakazu]

Another good and interesting video, good work!

[@NemFX]

Hi. Medical field here. The simple fact is, there's a lot of science magic in warhammer. That said, they treat the lineage like one would a blood type, if we are using that as a perfect analogy, you can use different blood types in real life, it's just a REALLY BAD IDEA. But. A space marine would have a substantially easier time dealing with that. The rate of rejection would go up. I believe at first, the survival rate for the Rubicon Primaris was around 40%, and it went up as time went on. Spears of the Emperor was set around a hundred years later, so let's bump that up to.. oh let's say 60% just to play it on the low side. And then deduct 10% for complications of incompatibility from different gene lines. You now have a 50/50 shot. .. Simply put, until the Cawl era stuff, whoever's wrote the sections on making a space marine? They were a biologist or someone smart enough to make me think they are. The Cawl era stuff is science magic. If I has to throw a guess out there, the Mentors came from either Fulgrim, Lorgar, or the one I prefer, Magnus. They are all know it all types, so it fits. Magnus had a gene seed that seemed perfectly fine, then became very unstable due to warp stuff, and that instability could work in favour of plot for transplants. .. This was not one of my better explanations. Science science science, magic. Yeah, that about covers it.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

Magnus already has his Blood Ravens. I think it would work better as an Alpha Legion successor. Inside job or not.

[@NemFX]

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 nah, the primaris are Alpha Legion. All of them. Taller than average, great at everything, guilliman and Cawl just happened to pull a legion out of their a-

[@beaverrow9272]

Im starting to wonder if Corax didnt find a solution to the melanchromic deficiency while mucking about with the Emp's cliff notes on how to make a space marine. Having that clear sign being the signal everyone looks out for instead of actually running tests would benefit the Raven Guard who wish to obfuscate the true total power they can call on while ostensibly not breaking the codex astartes. It's what I would do, franchise out and adopt a quiet "last wall" sort of protocol. Corax' last transmission before entering the warp has *always* seemed like a "go code", an instruction to begin a particular operation. What this says about the Mentors I dont know but it is interesting how often an unknown primogenitor is assumed to be Corax

[@crewie94]

Not a single dislike so far. Flawlessly well delivered video. I've been looking for some schemes and stories to have my Iron Warriors struggle with. Time to paint those Assault Intercessors.

[@ariza7654]

Well i can see 4 heretic have

[@crewie94]

@@ariza7654 This comment didn't age well at all! 🤣🤣 I'm sorry, those 4 heretics will be wiped from the Imperial Record hopefully and we'll be back to flawlessness worthy of Slaanesh!

[@ariza7654]

@@crewie94 *clock bolter* sorry what did you say?

[@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft]

Good to see you again, Lord Inquisitor.

[@BlizzardofKnives]

We are Legion for we are many, but not so many that we can send more than a squad to help you.

[@SoulCrusherEx]

Alpha Legion Mentors Legion... hmmmm yeah both seek knowledge through Information. Train militia and use small squads. Welp I believe that

[@phreakazoith2237]

"hate the idea of anyone knowing more than they do?" Then the Alpha Legion is gonna hate Futurama's brainsphere for sure.

[@TroloGame2]

I just jumped out of my chair "Rezna was forced to join the Alpha Legion warband *THE REDACTED*,after being guilty of committing tech-heresy for REVERSE ENGINEERING A TAU PULSE RIFLE." I JUST CAN'T,LMAO AND GUESS WHO CAN SPOT A "TECH HERESY"? THE ADEPTUS *MECHANICUS*

[@bgcvetan]

The Genetic Heritage Of The Mentors ? - Heretical

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

Doo doo doo doo, doo-doo, do-Wah! It doesn't matter what comes, fresh goes better in life, with Mentors fresh and full of life! Nothing gets to you, staying fresh staying cool, with Mentors, fresh and full of life! Fresh goes better, Mentors freshness, fresh goes better with Mentors, fresh and full of life! Mentors, the freshmakers!

[@elijahkelley7616]

Now I wanna see a video on the heritage of the Sons of Malice I'm just gonna put it out there - Night Lords

[@deltasniper1023]

So the mentors are basically space marine green berets. Main job is to train locals and act as force multiplier when needed. Neat.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Haveany chapters requested geneseed and received the wrong samples? Or an Apothecary accidentally removes the wrong GS? Would an apothecary even try to remove the GS of another chapter?

[@Robustacap]

I have a related, non-canon (obviously) fan fic story "Tutelage of Servitude", to which I'd greatly like to have a better reader than myself. It (the story) is on the deep weird side of not just warp but 40k... If you can guess, you win... Everything in my power to give? Mentorship in... Tau Pulse rifle tech!!

[@Colenelnelson]

The mentors seem like an ideal front for the Alpha Legions loyalist activities.

[@michaelhowell2326]

It's rumored that the UM took on the Astartes that were left after the culling of 2 and 11. Does that mean that the 2nd and 11th legions were rather pure and very close to UM genetics?

[@ravager2-636]

Last Men of Iron: Glory to the Corpse Emperor. Killer of more organics then any other “living” lifeform in the Galaxy.

[@Kevin-cr7dp]

I don't really have any other way of messaging and this isn't really on topic, but what if...despite Magnus breaking the psychic wards in the webway, the Emperor had forgiven him and Magnus wasn't forced into siding with Horus? My thinking is that the Sons would've been on the walls because the Emperor would've recalled them immediately. Even if everything else had gone the exact same way, that one event changes the entire game.

[@anotharoundboi]

Hmmmmm. Nice theory. That's what i think. XD But srsly, i think UM only cuz it makes sense since guilliman has the biggest amount of sparetartes after the heresy. Also would like to see you do Red Hunters Reimleiz! :D

[@bluehairedgirlstudio]

Very pure gene-seed, have a birds head as a symbol despite their name, & are secretive (suggesting a dark past)... Emperor's Children?

[@lonniesheppard2774]

Ask you a question you know the rock band KISS. What type of marine will they be chaplain a primarch mybe same level as the emperor.

[@l33t9r0u93]

11:25 maybe it's because it's 2 most forgettable chapters but what mutations do iron hands and white scars have ? technophilia and fabulous mustaches? PS 12:40 did tactica train you for the pronunciation this french word ?

[@TopHatGames1]

You'd have to think that Space Marines are all AB+ to maximize the utility of field medicine by having all Astarties be universal recipients for blood transfusion

[@jesseberg3271]

Stepping back for moment, how are the mentors played in tabletop? Is all of this just fluff, or do they actually get rules to play alongside an IG army?

[@Mugdorna]

No specific rules.

[@mizuhokusuha]

Nah, it is most likely Ultramarine. Game workshop isn't really into such twist and turns in their writing. Maybe one twist but certainly not a lot of turns either.

[@jasonulysess3652]

Hello KZbin algorithm, an hello Sons of the Inquisitor Corvus Corax.

[@christiansmith9306]

I read in some fluff that they went to war with the Bieltan craftworld. I thought that was hilarious.

[@changelingiris9409]

Is it possible, that the Emperor's Spears have another Gene-father than what they have been told? 🤔

[@craigjones7343]

I’m guessing that you have not read Spear of the Emperor because the answer is No.

[@SgtThiel]

Ultramarines, that explanation is the one requiring the least ifs and is confirmed in the emperor's spears

[@40KTheories]

Technically it wasn't confirmed, more that Ducarius believes them to be Ultramarines (even though his hypothesis is in itself flawed). Amadeus's serf refused to confirm it either way ;)

[@TheLodgePainting]

surely the emperor would of thought to make all astartes blood the same type, it makes sense for blood transfusions and organ transplants.

[@Ether101_Prime]

What if their Omegron descendants?

[@Gormathius]

Why does Shere sound vaguely like Dr. Evil? "The "Alpha Legion" prides itself on knowing everything."

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

everrrrything* The "r" needs to be rolled hard.

[@InternetSupervillain]

Would be so cool if they were alpha legion, but i can alsk see dark angels. Also wouldnt be suprised if either of those first two were mixer with ultras

[@BartekPL83]

The Mentors... Thementors... Dementors - Space Marines with dementia, they simply don't remember their origins.

[@poxous3854]

I had a squad when they were in WD 100something....vortex missiles... OMG lol. I hate how they changed the icons. The owl head was awesome.

[@alpharius4819]

I feel like the alpha legion genestock isn't as corrupted as they say it is, its probably that their time within the Eye of Terror causes deficiencies and abnormalities after implantation. But if you look at the geneseed itself, there is nothing too bad about it.

[@potriut7570]

The Ultramarines geneseed could be a kind of universal donor, like 0- for blood.

[@cratwinterz200]

Was this is remake/reupload? I feel like I’ve seen this alpha legion successor before.

[@iansaviet600]

They kind of feel like the platonic ideal of the Ultramarines

[@sincenobodyasked3123]

Mentors are Ultramarines descendants, it says so in Emperors Spears novel and is confirmed in the one Mentor marine in the novel being compatible with Emperors spears primaris organs. If he was not, he would he incompatible.

[@40KTheories]

This issue is brought up in the video. It's also worth noting that: a) The Mentor's serf didn't confirm it either way, Ducarius was only speculating b) Organ transfers between differing gene-lines are already a thing ;)

[@ovk-ih1zp]

Yeah, they're Alpha Legion "Loyalists" alright. Wanna be Green Berets, just like the Sons of Alpharius.

[@tbmike23]

The green berets of 40k.

[@jamescampbell39]

perhaps they are the offspring of one of the two primarchs no one talks about

[@SgtThiel]

9:56 why do you have to remind me that this bullshit happend?

[@retroicdescent]

I'm not familiar with what the text is referencing, but seeing as it's Grey Knights shenanigans, then it must be some Matt Ward stuff?

[@SgtThiel]

@@retroicdescent the original Grey knights came from the legions, they had their primarch gene seed removed and replaced with the emperor's gene seed. Because gene seed is like a shirt you know, you can just swap them that easily

[@jamiecunningham8394]

Why not from the legion the ultrsurfs absorded during the horus heresy, theres plenty of ultramarine successors that are questionable.

[@xxMorgen_Ronny_Doy]

@40k Theories the Mentors are seen in 2nd ED Codex Ultramarines by the follower Chaters of the Ultramarines same by other sources! A Mix of Raven Guard with Ultramarines to stable the Genes i can belive too.

[@40KTheories]

The 2nd edition codex does _not_ refer to the Mentors as an Ultramarine successor chapter at all. The text for them reads: "This chapter heralds from an unknown founding during a dark period of anarchy." The chapter itself is pictured alongside the Brazen Claws, Storm Lords and Black Templars, an Iron Hands, White Scars and Imperial Fists successor respectively.

[@xxMorgen_Ronny_Doy]

@@40KTheories take a look of all stuff from rogue trader on and you find them all times near the Ultramarines! They are discribed as found in the Dark Age of Anarchie. Did you ever seen that the eagle of the Black Consuls, the White Consuls and the Mentos are the same ?!? Coincidence unlikely!

[@40KTheories]

The bird of the Raven Guard and Hawk Lords is also the same, but the Hawk Lords are Ultramarine successors. The Iron Fists share the same fist icon as the Imperial Fists, but are an Iron Hands successor. Similar icons aren't necessarily an indicator of a shared heritage.

[@xxMorgen_Ronny_Doy]

@40K Theories - is deklareted in a collector Book that Raptors ar Ultramariens secessor Chapter but is wrong. The Raptors are from Raven Guard, the only thing they have to do with the Ultramarines is they have saved the Raptors after a crash ladning! But the Raptors Logo is diferent! The painted Miniatur have a diferent Logo as the Symbol in Codex Ultramarines. This Logo is the Same by both Consuls. In the Insignium Astartes take a look on page 9 for the Mentors Chapter. On the same side the Warrior Adepts shown another Hawk symbol! on page 10 you found the Mentors Logo and the Raptos Logo side by side as shadows on the paper! Look at the Mentors itself like you Video explains: they are a Codex Chapther, the Chapther 888 Star Scorpions has an instable Genes like the Raven Guard have. The Mentors have a stable Geneseed like Ultramrines, Imperial Fists and Dark Angels. When they are not a Mixed Genes Chapter than they are simply a Ultramarines Chater (Keep in mind the Adeptus Terra most time take the Ultramarines Genes because auf stability) [ Games-Workshop most time works with Riddles and things between the lines, what makes this channel so interesting, by the way, another good video :) ]

[@gunthergiel7088]

minute 10:00 * the grey knights should be able to take all outher genestockmaterial because of there unice (pure) heritage shouldn´t the???

[@KuK137]

A) unforgiven thing is stupid meme by now (more than half of DA descendants think it's stupid or don't know it's going on so not taking part is not proof of anything) so I am surprised it's been even mentioned. B) no mention of Codex Astartes being strongest proof, seeing it's a book trying to educate and improve strategy and tactics of space marines? C) kinda surprised on mention of Thousand Sons, Mentor tactics fit them better than AL or RG...

[@endor4757]

Blood Ravens successors 100% confirmed. Sired solely by Cyrus

[@akstormtrooper508]

Could be possible that they could trace their geneseed to a couple primarchs?

[@fabulousimcatbulous690]

The Mentors and their weaknesses... The Patronus. It's Harry Potter reference if you don't know, the wizard boy that.... *SLOW, MENACING KNOCKING SOUNDS* oh let me open the do-

[@CidGaius]

Why not a hybrid? A lil’raven and a Lil’Ultra

[@fireborn]

Ultraravens sound not fun, unless there is blood in there somewhere.