The GENIUS followup to Erik's 15/15 Build in ZvT! (+ Serral's reaction) - StarCraft 2

[@AdioShu]

The early dropped creep map vision is a game changer, what a great use of overlord speed.

[@kw8295]

That was crazy how the CC was literally 71/71 and it didn't finish, if he had sent those lings LITERALLY A MILISECOND later it would have finished. Such a clutch build

[@Tcapac]

I don't think Aqueron noticed that the CC didn't finish, it stayed in the production tab for a full minute, between 2:55 and 3:55 in game timer. That's huge damage

[@Lukas-ii9kw]

The rally point resets if you really to a unit or building that then dies. I think polt used to build a depo at the front and really to that so when it died, he would accidently really his units to death

[@apgamer4053]

i am so happy to see a queen dropping creep from a dropper is actually a thing i was thinking of trying it but never see it

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

12:36 The way you miss a rally point is: you rally to a unit (probably by mistake) and that unit gets killed.

[@chriswoodend2036]

Watching a viking run from an overlord was hilarious and felt like justice. =D

[@johnnovak6386]

Don't make fun of vikings you filthy Zerg player 😝 Definitely a hilarious interaction we never see lol

[@nickv9820]

I feel like that sort of early creep spread is a game-changer for sure. I feel like cutting two roaches from that first push to get an even earlier bane nest + speed and then leaning harder on Queens/banes in the midgame might be a good transition as well, as that's pretty much the ultimate defensive setup if your creep spread is insane.

[@asharak84]

rally point might have been set on a unit that died? I _think_ that resets it

[@Templarfreak]

yep, this happens to me all the time while playing Raynor in Co-Op.

[@Galahad54]

I've regularly used 14 hatch 14 pool ovie or 14 hatch 14 pool 14 extractor overlord. Good against middle of the road builds - problem vs some early cheese. And yes, send the main queen down. Skipping ling speed and fast warren/roaches is my most successful followup.

[@lupusprobitas]

A pretty neat build, I would love to see you cast a few of those Serral games where he use this opener. Not to mention a compilation of your more exciting games using this opener and build. 🙂

[@CasualCosta]

Erik is a real life Twitch chat grandmaster.

[@orangepearlf40]

I like this build because there's a handful of mind games going on. Keeping your opponent on their toes is a chess type of strategy.

[@chir0pter]

It took 13 years but someone is finally using speed ovies & queens to spread creep in a conmpetitive game

[@bloodlustuponme]

And then Serral pulls an Erik against Clem in the ESL Masters semi finals. Incredible

[@Starcraft2fans]

I've tried 14/Hatch opening versus Protoss and 2 base muta as a follow-up. It works well in Diamond.

[@QuasarGamers]

Production rally points will get reset if the building is rallied to a unit/structure that dies.

[@theomniscientopossum6350]

Really interesting. Cool to learn about this.

[@glados4765]

Erika opening is when the demand for micro exceeds supply.

[@kindenigma4119]

I have a question, why not just do both extractor tricks to shoot to 16 drones immediatly and than follow the build as normal? Wouldnt that be better because you get those drones out fater to mine early on till you have to build the spawning pool and you end up back to 14/14 drones but the OL pops immediatly at that point. Just wondering bcause I love this build and had some nice success when I actually play the rest of the game well. It actually still wouldnt get blocked either on the 16th drone because of how early it comes out compared to a normal 16 drone

[@ramel3892]

Is this the build that Serral used in Kung Fu Cup #3 vs MaxPax? Love to have your analysis on that series.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Uthermal showed this Meme build the other day (16 hatch 15 hatch 14 hatch 14 pool, only then overlord). It has 3 idling larvae for a while and it’s stupid greedy but it’s so unusual that people get afraid. And you get 3 queens and 3 hatches fast.

[@BigDawgKG]

Your pool is so late how to do you stop the reaper or the adept? You wont have queens or lings

[@tigera6]

@@BigDawgKG According to this game, the Queen popped out only 5-6secs after the Reaper arrive, which is pretty much the normal timing for this map. Its not that late comparing to the normal standard build. Its the 3rd hatches that got delayed is the issue, which is covered by the earlier Queen production and continuous injection.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Move the drones away, wait for the queens to pop in, I guess? I’m not an expert on this myself. The trick, I think, is that the 100 mineral of the overlord that you skip make the queens pop around the same time than in a typical hatch (overlord) pool hatch.

[@blessyou3999]

reminds me a bit of wol(?) with 11 pool.

[@thomaschang7996]

great video!

[@chir0pter]

This guy is my new favorite non-pro

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Doesn't the double extractor making both the hatch and the pool early more than make up if you skip early ling speed? Edit: also well done to aqueron for keeping his cool and macroing up

[@GrandpaJean]

Yeah I do a double extractor trick version of this that is slightly faster pool. 16 hatch 16 pool with ovie after. same concept though

[@influence5310]

Love this episode!

[@mikkosaarinen3225]

I gotta say the viewer retention in this video is super good. I've got to ask did you script that or was it just a coincidence? Like if this was accidental you should totally look back to this video on how to do viewer retention. Like do casting as normal but get like timecodes where you do the in-between bits. So they "just end up" right so that you get cut off by something exciting happening 😄 I'm leaning on you having scripted that but wanted to lay it out anyways just because I found it really interesting 😁 Edit. Just finished watching the video and no it wasn't weird at all. That's exactly what you should do. Because it's not like you didn't give any analysis and just tease. In the first one you gave us the setup, second one Lambos bit and some of your own thoughts and then at the end (when we've importantly watched through most of the video 😁) the juicy bits. I'm not a pro director or scripter so I may be off here, but if I had to write a show like this for youtube, that's how I'd lay it out.

[@PiGstarcraft]

I knew the things i wanted to talk about but wasn't sure when I'd squeeze them in, it ended up feeling a bit frantic but it's really nice to hear that actually kept it really engaging for you! Will definitely rewatch this thanks for the feedback mate

[@Templarfreak]

i think i agree with this sentiment that oddly felt like a weirdly classical sports moment where the casters are talking about some intricacies and then exciting stuff happens like just before or just as they finish up

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

Serral actually do this against Maxpax. He got totally rekted lmao

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

not exponentially harder. with each additional creep tumor, it gets slightly harder. exponentially would be if for each new tumor, every existing tumor replicated.

[@alexwhiteman2628]

Yeah nothing is wrong with queens balance wise at all. Loading them into an overlord and creeping the other side of the map with 6 range queens is totally balanced.

[@bacon-SG]

Poop bandits

[@Sparta-vu3jj]

Rise of the Poop Bandits get this build in the hands of Neuro immediately

[@raf74hawk12]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Mizi63]

Da hora

[@kcx1588x]

Because if you do a stupid move like that, 2 cloaked Banshees would get easy kills on the queens!!! Especially if you try it against ~Maru ~Byun ~Cure ~Bunny ~Innovation