The Gift of Homosexuality -- Mel White

Rev. Mel White, an evangelical Christian, relates his journey of coming to understand homosexuality as a gift from God.

[@carnaco2]

Just because I feel any action is wrong, such as adultery, murder, polygamy, homosexuality, doesn't mean I hate the people involved. I do wish to see them leave a lifestyle that is clearly debilitating to them, something God would also want for them. As I said, the choice is yours. People who wish to see you make the choice for change don't hate you.

[@shieldsff]

A final point, The Apostle Paul talks extensively about both truth & peace. An important position he makes is that both of these conditions are related to the major concept of sanctification. He insists that as we are sanctified and mature in God & His word we experience authentic peace. In Hebrews, he tells BELIEVERS not to have an evil & hard heart. Believers must avoid apostasy & the corruption of natural wisdom. Paul says to be steadfast in the truth and righteousness.

[@mmoorman1000]

There is much more to the passage but I'm not going to post the entire thing. Here's the truth, God loves all of us. Every single sinner on the Earth, God loves us. But, God does not love the sin we commit. Please explain to me why God would create Adam and soon after create Eve from a part of Adam's body to therefore "complete" him, if man and woman didn't go together?

[@clay56]

" Although often homosexuality did go hand in hand with idolatry in the OT and NT." Condemning every aspect of homosexuality for the conduct of those involved in pegan orgies is as ludicrous as trying to do so with every aspect of heterosexuality had the acts involved unwed participants of DIFFERENT gender.

[@shelonewolf]

glad to hear the truth glad you made the video

[@anthonycarbonaro7890]

Mel, You did not characterize God correctly. Why does Jesus refer to God as Father? Because God has been identified by Jesus as being male not female. I was sympathetic up to your final statements. I have to reject your female interpretation of God and your entire message.

[@Rleesawyer]

Read his first book, Stranger at the Gate. It tells his life story. He went to God over and over for years. He wanted nothing more than to please God and serve him in the ministry and bring souls to be saved, but thought he had to be straight to do so, so he was constantly in prayer for God to heal him or help him "do right." Don't judge someone's life based on a three minute video of them.

[@Blaqarmor]

Whether lesbian or homosexual, you have justified your lifestyle through convoluting of scriptures. That is why you think it is a gift, but you were given a choice. GOD is not a she, but the spirit that you are entertaining makes you say the things you are saying and believe what you believe.

[@AmazingLadyy13]

Please dont judge people, that is God's job

[@Explorednow]

God created everyone the same; living a gay alternative lifestyle is a choice. You cannot be gay and go to Heaven. Leviticus 18 spells in out very clearly. Heaven or Hell everyone will be in one of these places after they die. Only true Christian's believers in Christ Jesus living a Godly life will enter Heaven. Yes God loves you but does not condone your behavior and all will stand in judgment.

[@noelgoode4080]

Wow! Pharisee much??? You obviously dont have a relationship with Christ!

[@kdpsengine5]

Then my actions of fornication before I was born again must be a gift from God? Certainly not they were the sins that weighed me down, that showed me I was a wretch and needed to be saved by the grace of God. Then God did it rather than the punishment I deserve for fornication, adultery, murder etc, which is Hell, He had mercy of me and gave me Eternal life because of His loving kindness. He did not overlook my sins, no rather He poured out the cost on my sins upon Himself on the Cross of Calvary. For it pleased the Father to bruise the Son. O can I go back and continue to live in sin after the grace that is given to me daily to do so is to mock God and make myself god. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Read Romans 1:18 through 3:10 it shows the depravity of man. Faithful are the wounds of a friend but the kiss of the enemy is deceitful. Poor Mr. White he is kissing rather than wounding.

[@guacamoleroxmysox]

I like this man a lot.

[@mariahtaylor710]

Mel, you might not remember me, but you were the first white, that i had a crush on, during my time with you, Franklin Brown and Zetta, and others. You taught me that it was alright to look a "white person in the eyes" and not lower your head, as i was born in the south, and this was protocol. I learned to look into your blue eyes, admire your blond hair and handsomeness, without guilt. i have completed my RN program and since i was told that i could not become a Nurse, because i was" black and intellectually inferior" i took the license to the H.S. teacher who fed me this lie and did not stop until i received my PhD. I have seen 30,000 uninsured, underinsured and "at risk" families, gang members, people representing twelve different nations, and did it all in the name of Jesus, in my clinic in N. Portland. I told my story on OPRAH as her 2000 "Use Your Life" award winner. Mariah A. Taylor

[@KD400_]

Sucks that he's gay lol

[@confluential]

Where is hell located?

[@clay56]

"I'am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE NO ONE comes to the father but by ME." And the person who said this said nothing about homosexuality.

[@clay56]

"As Christians we know we were born in sin and have a natural tendency to crave flesh and the things of this world." There's a difference between carnal lust and romantic love. This is a distinction too many fail to make in the case of same gender relationships.

[@CedarofGod2008]

Apart from the passages I have mentioned, Sodom is mentioned in 41 other verses in the Bible: Genesis 10:19, 13:10, 12, 13, 14:2, 8, 10, 11, 12, 17, 21, 22, 18:16, 19:24, 28, Deuteronomy 29:23, 32:32, Isaiah 1:9, 10, 3:9, 13:19, Jeremiah 23:14, 49:18, 50:40, Lamentations 4:6, Ezekiel 16:46, 48, 49-50, 53, 55, 56, Amos 4:11, Zephaniah 2:9, Matthew 10:15, 11:23, 24, Luke 10:12, 17:29, Romans 9:29, 2 Peter 2:6, Revelation 11:8. Denying sin does not change the TRUTH of God's sovereign Word.

[@suzvalentino1901]

We are not being children of God if we don't accept each other for what we are. God bless you sir. I loved you back in the 70's with your Deceived movie and I love you now for who you are.

[@elisgriff]

You talk a lot of sense! Thank you for making this video!

[@Edwin572]

Yes Mel truly is an angel. He tells it like it is and is open and honest about things. It's better to accept yourself as God made you than to go around living the lie.

[@TheMarathonomahos]

Good on you for being yourself and not trying to be something you're not. That is a lesson many Christians could learn from.

[@piotrusmail4]

Thank you so much for that words!!! May God bless you for that!!!

[@clay56]

Mel White is the co-founder of an organization called Soulforce which advocates the beliefs that same gender oriented people can under certain circumstances engage in sexual intimacy while having Christ centered lives. What many probably don't know is that he founded the organization with the late, very great Coretta Scott King, the wife of Martin Luther King Jr.

[@bulyabalive]

@jaimeanna1412 Cont/... Rom. 1:26,27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; even their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural; and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." This is the Word of God, Jesus Christ whom I serve. Who is yours?

[@clay56]

"God help him out of his deception." He VERY arguably did by His helping Dr. White FINALLY accept himself, rather than fool himself into believing he could become someone he was not.

[@clay56]

Im never more prayerful for any non Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who speaks on our Lord's behalf on matters of ultimate condemnation.

[@clay56]

"God is the Judge and His the only One who knows our hearts better than ourselves, In my opinion believe we always trying to fathom God, what he agrees what he disagrees with." VERY good point! And only He knows His INFINATELY vast and complex will from beginning to end. This does not keep too many of His children from trying to take that will into their own hands in an attempt to control the beliefs of others.

[@TheQueerCyGuy]

thank you so much! knowing that there is a gay priest helps a TON being a gay Christian teenager.

[@clay56]

"Why would someone who says they are "evanglical" use this term, unless they are seeking to provoke controvesy." I remember hearing a Southern Baptist minister state that in many ways, not only was our Lord our Heavenly Father but our Heavenly Mother as well. It's partly why I think such a reference made with sincerity and reverence to our Lord would be provocative only to the most extreme of evangelical followers and leaders.

[@bagospannerz]

@samc203 hi there - is the new testament scripture? Certainly the old testament should be classed as scripture but the new testament was mostly epistles - do you know how they have become scripture? I am a christian - it's just something that puzzles me. Would value your advice. God bless

[@clay56]

"Your race is sacred no exceptions." Im glad you believe so. A good number of religous leaders until only a few years ago didn't share this view. "We know that not all sexual desires are necessarily ok or good so we judge which are moral/immoral." And may sometimes be incorrect in that judgement. "We DO NOT judge what color is right or wrong, good or bad." We definately SHOULD not.

[@clay56]

"Pro gay theology is something that is quite new." As was Christianity itself at one time. Newness in and of itself does not make it wrong.

[@SalonGuru1961]

You are who you are - nothing more to say. No one makes the choice to "Be" a sexual being. Your life is valuable and GOD loves you no matter what. The rest is all opinion. Keep your opinion of yourself great!

[@gregsettle5880]

Friend, your experiences will never change the word of God!

[@clay56]

"I actually thought you'd have concluded this sparring match, considering the fact that neither of us will sway each other." Did you? Actually, we're very close to being done or at least making headway in the discussion with your answer to a single queston based on your own Biblical/moral reasoning: IF Christ mandated the prohibition of certain sexual acts, how did He NOT mandate certain punishments as well with that SAME silence?

[@flenif2247]

THANK YOU! you are spot on.

[@theRagingAtheist666]

I love how he words god as "she".

[@bagospannerz]

@nasaltla hi there. Do you know any Christians who adhere to the bible? God bless

[@clay56]

Sorry, meant to say in the post below: "claiming homosexuality to be a childhood trauma in ALL cases is also an overpresumption." I REALLY dislike KZbins new format!

[@CedarofGod2008]

God is sovereign and his decisions are always righteous and just despite what unenlightened and ignorant men might perceive: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." (Isaiah 55:8)

[@clay56]

"That ending sounds just like the devil.Telling you to except your sinful nature." Not all Christians believe all same gender relationships are sinful. "This man is in fact a tool of the devil." Sounds familiar since the Christ Himself was once called the devil by the spiritual authorities of the time. It's sometimes those supposedly fighting the devil the hardest that may be most under his influence.

[@clay56]

"So are you proposing that we eliminate belief in sin as a whole and make everthing a free for all?" Im stating, because of highly possible mistranslation and misinterpetation, that those who believe that all homosexuality is sin may be mistaken. If they are, then they themselves may be in sin for bearing false wittness against their neighbors. The wonderful thing is that forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER.

[@bagospannerz]

@samc203 hi there - I do accept the new testament as scripture - what I mean is how could the new testament writers know their writings would become scripture - they were just writing accounts and letters. How did the christian church decide they were to be scripture - apart from making them in the canon? God bless

[@CottnCandyRainbow]

This is the first religious person I have ever come across that actually appears to have there head on right.

[@clay56]

Mel White and Coretta Scott King, wife of Martin Luther King worked together to establish Soulforce, which is a good example of the efforts of gay Christians and their heterosexual advocates.

[@clay56]

"Sorry brother I don't make excuses for my sin or try and justify them by blurring unambiguous texts of scripture..." You have your VIEW of scripture and spiritual conception as I and others do. ONLY our Lord can TRULY know who is right or more so.

[@clay56]

"This is what a seared conscience looks like. To boldly proclaim God's word to be in error so that you can pursue the sinful desires of your flesh with out guilt." More accurately it's dissent over what His word is. "God is not mocked by your lies and encouragement to others you would like to drag to hell with you." Im never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guess our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are His ALONE.

[@clay56]

The late great Coretta Scott King, wife of Martin Luther King Jr., has left a legacy of her own by helping Mel White establish Soulforce.

[@clay56]

Hey Shields, Your posts also appear on the "Oprah" page and have been answered there.

[@Godlovesallpeople]

(continued) @Abdelatif belmamoune - Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or behavior toward males and females. The term is mainly used in the context of human attraction to denote romantic or sexual feelings toward men and women. Bisexuality is one of the 3 main classifications of sexual orientation, along with a heterosexual and a homosexual orientation. Bisexuality has been observed in various human societies and elsewhere in the animal kingdom throughout recorded history.

[@j4unumber1]

I'm gay. I never really thought of being gay as a "gift from God." Honestly, I feel upset about being gay. I prefer not to be gay. Ummmmm...I feel...guilty for being unable to fully accept being gay, as strange as that may sound to some people. Also, I feel angry at God for bestowing upon me this gift. Due to these very complex and at first glance contradictory ummm...emotions about that, it really has hindered my ability to have positive relations with my surroundings.

[@Edwin572]

Yes Mel White is truly amazing. We need more open and honest people like him who tell the truth and expose phony therapies which for the most part do more harm than good.

[@Rleesawyer]

The original word effiminate in 1 Cor. came from was actually refering to old men who used young boys as prostitutes / sex slaves

[@clay56]

"Therefore citing that Jesus didn't mention homosexuality does absolutely nothing regarding your argument..." The silence over homosexuality in the Gospels marks an enormous gray area in the very core of the Bible. The fact Christ said nothing about it leaves a glaring space for the possibility for its tolerance and even acceptance by our Lord.

[@clay56]

"The voice of decepiton is usually a kind, gentle, warm voice." Like Pat Robertson at times.

[@clay56]

"Christians are awesome." Much of the time, yes. "They make up the rules as they go along!" Perhaps true for some. With others change happens through a continuing relationship with our Lord leading to a deeper understanding of His will.

[@bagospannerz]

@gentlemanthunder7. So is a gay celibate person with faith still going to hell? Thanks

[@clay56]

"People who think they were born gay have a reprobate mind,..." There are probably a good number who feel the same about those who think being gay is a choice. Tragically this most likely makes it more difficult to establish common ground between Christians who see the matter differently.

[@clay56]

Is being gay a "sin" or "gift"? It's probably best answered in the heart of the believer. Personal Biblical interpetations have been argued for decades with NO sign of stopping anytime soon. Im glad it's our Lord alone who makes the final call. Even for the person who is wrong or less right, there is cause for optomism since forgiveness is in reach when we ask it for ourselves and EACH OTHER. :)

[@arkanix1074]

Exactly. I believe that the Philosophies in the bible can make people better people, regardless of whether or not you believe in God or anyone. If you removed all accounts of God from the bible, like any other religion, you have the base philosophies of peace, tolerance, and more importantly how to be a good person. Homosexuality aside, knowing that this man slit his own wrists because of intolerance is so sad and monstrous to think about. I don't think God or Jesus would want that.

[@clay56]

Many cite scripture to "prove" same gender relations sinful. This is eventhough such relations are scripturely referenced almost entirely in terms of prostitution or pagan ritual. To therefore definitively say all types of same gender relations, like marriage, sinful may be saying too much on behalf of our Lord and may cause problems between Him and the accuser involving the Ninth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18.

[@clay56]

One thing I like about the Soulforce website is that it posts full letters and url's of gay Christian opponent sites in an effort to offer different viewpoints. It's a lesson in tolerance that too many who flag comments as spam to remove them from the main YT board. have sadly ignored. Fortunately the problem is easily remedied with just a couple of clicks. :)

[@j4unumber1]

"it is up to human beings to stop homosexuals from gaining any favor over man woman and child" Why? Anytime religious people feel threatened or have prejudice and believe some sort of stereotype, regardless of justification, that is the religious person's problem that they alone should own up to and to preferably address in a positive manner. Gay people are in the world! Ok? That is just the way it is. Therefore, showing kindness to gay people is a much better use of one's time.

[@MartiusMCMLVIII]

I'm supporting a Gay Christian, that's why. Why are you here? Just to incite more hate???

[@markusboyd3]

It is people like him who place Christianity under huge threat... Great stuff lad, keep it up!

[@Godlovesallpeople]

@Abdelatif belmamoune - Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or behavior toward males and females. The term is mainly used in the context of human attraction to denote romantic or sexual feelings toward men and women. Bisexuality is one of the 3 main classifications of sexual orientation, along with a heterosexual and a homosexual orientation. Bisexuality has been observed in various human societies and elsewhere in the animal kingdom throughout recorded history.

[@clay56]

Hey PW, It sounds like you're drawing your conclusions about Mel White from the vid alone. He goes into extensive detail about his Biblical and spiritual views in his books and on his website.

[@CedarofGod2008]

desibabii1, could you please tell me which part of 1 Corinthians condones homosexual relations? I know that no such scripture exists but it may be that you have misinterpreted it and I would very much like to explain it to you in its proper context. Please be assured that homosexuality is part of the fallen condition. A person must be redeemed by Jesus Christ and the homosexuality healed for a person to enter Heaven. God bless you.

[@32Spoiled]

This man needs prayer.... As we all do...

[@izumozorc]

I actually kind of like how he said "She" in place of "He". Because if you think about it, he created us himself, so He's both our father and our mother

[@CedarofGod2008]

Hi tlh215, as I explained in an earlier comment: "The manuscripts that the Catholics built their entire religion on corrupt biblical manuscripts (from Egypt not Antioch) translated by Origen and Eusebius who both had very weird pagan theologies." My husband spend months studying the various Bible versions and he is well versed in these corruptions. The sources are sound and researched by scholars and are all available on the internet. You need only type in the key words. God bless you.

[@clay56]

"It is people like him who place Christianity under huge threat... Great stuff lad, keep it up!" Yes, similar to the "threat" posed by Martin Luther, Martin Luther King and others who essentially stated the view many hold as to what is acceptable and what is sin to our Lord may in fact be neither.

[@PierreKorfiatis]

I totally agree with you!!!!!

[@CedarofGod2008]

Amen, PMFilmworks, this is a vitally important scripture for people to be aware of. I pray that God will grant those who are encouraging homosexuality a reverential fear of His wrath and righteous judgment. "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience." (Ephesians 5:3-6)

[@Liminalplace1]

Sincere testimony. I noticed Mel White referred to God as 'she" . Why would someone who says they are "evanglical" use this term, unless they are seeking to provoke controvesy.

[@clay56]

Part 2 ...Christians would consider dubious ideas about nature which he relayed in 1 Cor. 11:13-15. "I'm going to cut through all this banter and red tape and just get to the point at hand." Glad to hear it.

[@bagospannerz]

@orthodoxchristian707 hi there - I'd just like to be sure i understand you - is homsexuality a sin - or just homosexual acts?

[@PjotrII]

Dear PMFilmworks It is true God cannot be changed, but what if this text is a text written by men, and reflect a 2000 year old understanding where they thought that homosexuals CHANGE the behaviour from heterosexual. Now if homosexuality is something you are born into, then our understanding of this changes dramatically.

[@ChevaliersEmeraude]

1- When he created humans 2- God is Love, so as long as two homosexuals love each other, it does. 3- Love 4- The same as for heterosexual marriage: Love.

[@clay56]

"The men of the city demanded the angels/men so they could 'know them' BUT, Lot offered his two daughters in their place because Lot knew who the men were." And the angels pulled Lot away, shut the door and caused the men to be blinded BEFORE they could enter Lot's house to make their actual intentions known. In a community where everyone probably knew everyone else two angels (strangers) appear resulting in a parenoid mob demanding to (literally) know what the strangers were doing in Sodom

[@davemakesawave]

Revelation 22v14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Thats straight forward and very clear.

[@clay56]

"For Someone to suggest that what Paul is saying is ambiguous because of his saying long hair is a woman's glory but shames a man (paraphrasing) Is to impose a different CONTEXT on the verse Speaking of abandoning the natural for the unnatural." Paul"s dubious view of nature in 1 Cor. 11:13-15 places the context of the term in question in Rom. 1:26-28.

[@clay56]

"Paul believing that long hair on a woman is better than on a man is not within the discussion of sin." It is within the discussion of "nature" which Paul brings up in BOTH 1 Corinthians and Romans. His dubious view of it in the former brings the latter into question.

[@baldwintheanchorite]

I come from a family of Christians who condemn homosexuality because they believe in Leviticus God denounces it. They fail to read the next paragraph which denounces growing a certain shape of beard and gives the community a right to stone that person. If there is a God he has been let down by His followers who would rather preach hate, condemnation and judgement over others than love which is at the very root of the word. I hope these people are held accountable one day.

[@siangbeng]

acceptance is one thing... what is after that.... change or live with it? I have no problem about accepting.. it is the subsequeny action that I am concern about....like....the doctor come to me and say... you are sick... yes I have to accept it. Next do I take medication to recover or let the disease overcome me?

[@FreebirdP]

Sin is something we cannot avoid. Our mere debate is sinful. In heaven, we will be our true non judgemental selves and free from all our insecurities and false interpretations.....keep believeing what you believe in and we will se who is right when we get to heaven.

[@CottnCandyRainbow]

@thelotproject1 No. I'm not really sure what you're saying. I'm not religious, so none of what he says I would particularly agree with him on, but I do like his approach. He is the first religious person I've seen that isn't crazy because of his or her religion. Many religious people abuse their children, start wars, and even kill innocent people using their religion to justify their actions.

[@clay56]

"If this guy was talking about God from the Bible, he'd be able to recognize God as the heavenly FATHER, and not MOTHER.." I once heard a Southern Baptist minister say our Lord was both our Heavenly Father AND Mother. If it were stated in a non-sarcastic, sincere way, would our Lord take offence at being referred to as "she?"

[@clay56]

Mel White started a group called Soulforce (dot) org. What many might not know is that it was co-founded by the late Coretta Scott King, wife of Martin Luther King.

[@shieldsff]

Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

[@clay56]

"Paul in Romans 1 uses the term "unnatural" which is a greek word used by ancients like Philo and Josephus to describe homosexuals. " The Greek term for "unnatural" is believed to be closer to the words "uncommon" or "unusual." In any case, Paul had a rather dubious view of nature as seen in 1 Cor. 11:14-15 in which he stated nature tells us long hair glorified a woman but shamed a man.

[@clay56]

"...the reason that the Pharisees ONLY asked him about male and female marriage is due to the obvious fact that they understood marriage to be between male and female." That MAY have been their personal understanding. If that understanding was incorrect, it would simply been one more of the considerable list of mistakes made by the Pharisees, who were instrumental in having Christ crucified.

[@clay56]

"YOU know that homosexuality is a sin -- don't you?" You know that eventhough the NT condemns ALL sexual conduct outside of marriage, it does not speak to same gender marriage? "Have a nice day!" You too, thanks for the chat. :)

[@bulyabalive]

@jaimeanna1412 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; ... Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Is. 5:20,21.

[@DrMjenno]

Do you just quote Scripture from the hip? Is that your thing? Or are you capable of critical thought?

[@ikinmoore]

It is about time the religious movement stop this bigoted nonsense over homosexuals !

[@pantheraj61]

you have really opened my eyes. im a proud homosexual. thank you mel white. you are a saint

[@clay56]

Mel White never actually stated "Mark" to be a prostitute. He did compare his infidelity to that of David with Bathsheba, in effect admitting his conduct was wrong. He said he wrote about it knowing many on the far right would accuse him of giving way to lust and that he needed to repent, eventhough decades of attempted repentance and prayer did not change him. NOT saying I condone his actions. At least however he is forthright about it UNLIKE Ted Haggard or Jimmy Swaggart.

[@clay56]

Personally, I think it's God's greatest blessing to us is His keeping ultimate judgement is in His hands ALONE. It's why Im never more prayerful for even the agnostic or the athiest than the fellow christian who presumes such judgements on God's behalf in violation of Matt. 7:1-2 and (perhaps) the nineth commandment.

[@MartiusMCMLVIII]

I can deny it and I do deny it.

[@clay56]

" "orientation" is irrelevant concerning the biblical view of marriage." This "biblical view" is how (too) many label their OWN personal view of the Bible.