The God who Defeated Yahweh

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Sources:
Evidence of polytheism in Jerusalem: www.timesofisrael.com/2600-ye...
Questions on Asherah: • YHWH had a Wife?
More on Judaic Polytheism: smile.amazon.com/Did-God-Have...
Moabite Stone: www.jewishencyclopedia.com/art...
Chemosh: www.jewishencyclopedia.com/art...

[@RachelOates]

Please come to London and read me bedtime stories ♥ Also, this is amazing (but it feels wrong to be so nice to you, so just imagine I'm ending this comment with an insult too ;) )

[@OwenMorganTelltale]

Rachel Oates o.o

[@martinmaxwell3508]

@@OwenMorganTelltale lol

[@martinmaxwell3508]

@@OwenMorganTelltale i didn't know you're real telltale because i didn't see any checklist, until i noticed i sub to this channel and the amount of subs

[@somerandomblueperson3996]

​@@tinopacino9400 And why do you say that he is wrong? Do you have any sources that contradict him? Edit: I'm sorry if this is satirical, but if it's serious, please answer the question.

[@somerandomblueperson3996]

​@@tinopacino9400 And, kindly explain to me, please, what gives you any right to say that his beliefs are false and yours aren't? I could cite the Poetic Eddas, and the Havamal, as saying his beliefs are true, and the many stories inside agree.

[@darthplagueis13]

The funny thing is, the Old Testament doesn't really sound like it wants to claim that Yahweh is the only god anyways. The ten commandments say "you must not worship other gods" not "there are no other gods". That feels like a later development.

[@sapphiccharlotte1818]

it even says “for i am a jealous god,” not “for i am the only god” (although i concede this is possibly due entirely to translation, and it’s possible the actual translation means something entirely different more directly)

[@redsaucetriple9578]

It is true there are 4 Almighty GODS, but YeHoVaH is the Prime Director Creator who is the Only ONE to Obey and Worship!

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@redsaucetriple9578 Well, actually, the highest name would be Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, and the tetragrammaton is almost certainly "Yahweh" and not "Yehovah." "Yahweh" is just a shortened masculine form of Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.

[@JesusIsTheKey22]

Elohiym is the earthly creator and universe. Lord god is yahweh the god ofbthe physical world. Causes fear kill steal destroy. God says there is no darkness in him. God did not amd will not do things like make fire come down to kill people. He will send the rock aka jesus to rescue.

[@themazesystem5392]

@@redsaucetriple9578 Odin is the highest god

[@pedrorusso7772]

The concept of Henotheism: devotion and worship to one deity, but also recognizing the existence of other deities.

[@mickj9203]

This

[@g.mano.1320]

Did you know Paul the Apostle (Aka St.Paul, born Saul of Tarsus) mentioned the molteplicity of those individuals, but he recommend to worship only their one (Yahweh)? [1st Cor.] At the matter of fact, Paul, who is considered one of the "inventor" of Christianity, was actually enotheist, or monolatrous.

[@jasonvoorheesv1nce904]

I found my term, Henotheist is what I identify as now

[@lets_wrapitup]

@@g.mano.1320 proof?

[@g.mano.1320]

@@lets_wrapitup What proof do you need? Read it yourself what Saul of Tarsus literally left written in the 1st letter to Corinthians.

[@adamb3455]

"Thou shalt hold no other gods before me for I am a jealous god" - Yahweh.

[@ketsune23]

Yahweh is a pagan tribal god from the southern desert of Palestine. also considered as a god from the mountain of Horeb\Sinai a vulcan god

[@ketsune23]

@@okeziechristopher9479 I mean the god of the old testament is from pagan origins and most stories in genesis are from sumerian origin including the shabbat was a babylonian day when the gods rest

[@ketsune23]

@@okeziechristopher9479 Yahweh is a tribal god from the southern mountains of Sinai. That's why Moses had to climb a mountain to speak with Yahweh and that's why also the Syrians didn't want to fight them in the mountains. The god of Israel is a national god above the other nations. The Hebrews werent monotheists but they were henotheists. Lucifer is a name that don't exist in the Bible in no place in the Bible says he was a cherubim. Lucifer and the dualism of good and evil is an influence of the Zoroastrism and the Babylonian captivity.

[@ketsune23]

@@durangobasics6195 are you serious? Why should I look up "sources" that would never tell me what is really the truth? They will tell me about their Truth not the real one. Of course they will never say anything that would compromise their religion. Lol . I want academic and real data analysis not what the Rabbi or whatever source has as true. The Bible must be treated like any other historical document.

[@durangobasics6195]

@@ketsune23 Academic and real data analysis can not help you with the bible, maybe they can, by telling you the events in the bible did not really happen.

[@CrimsonTheFoxGod]

This comment is an offering to the Algorithm God.

[@flowflips3172]

Kitsumaru amen

[@grindewest5940]

😂😂😂

[@scarling9367]

Hail!!!

[@KiraReminiec9399]

LOL ...You're a real card ( very funny)

[@kman5475]

Hail the Algorithm!

[@hundwyn7530]

“I am the only god” - god who hates his own pantheon

[@Carlo-qj5jl]

THATS WHY JESUS REBELLED

[@charlestawiah6019]

Put Tank In A Mall you mean lucifer, since when did Jesus rebel??

[@miguelEguzman]

No. He never started as the only God. YHWH was a child of El. He was a minor member of the Elohim. He was also the serpent in the garden of Eden. When he awarded man the gift of knowledge, the other Elohim were furious that he had contaminated the experiment. They abandoned him here to fix the mess he made. He decided not to, as it was useless to try to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Instead, he decided to try to save us without returning us to an unintelligent slave race. He knew they would return and destroy the world by fire if they found he had not "fixed" the humans. So he decided to teach us to transcend the physical world by becoming immortal spirits, so only useless bodies are killed in the conflagration he preached these teachings as YHWH, and as Odin, Dionysus, Thoth, Hermes, and eventually as Jesus. Then we crucified him. Since then, his message has been supressed and corrupted to the point that virtually nobody can use it to escape the coming apocalypse. We are doomed. EDIT: it appears that above, I seem to be saying that the secret of transcendence was taught by YHVH when he went by that name. I apologise for this. His ministry began after he had already abandoned that identify, so far as I can tell.

[@sonnetyork4097]

The book of walon where/how do you know this??? I'm very interested in your perspective

[@sonnetyork4097]

Book of Waylon im an ex Jehovahs Witness btw

[@owengameing6182]

Yeah, the most glaring problem with Yahweh is in the "omnis." Dropping a few omnis might help with believability.

[@paqqmann8886]

So by dropping any single "omni", much less any group of them, would be detracting from what existentially makes God, God, and you essentially bestow upon Him a human characteristic by default. In order for God to be truly divine in nature, He needs to be all the things that humans cannot be--in other words, God is everything a human is not. God is everywhere at once (omnipresent); a human is not. God knows everything that ever has been or ever will be(omniscient); humans do not. God is all-powerful (omnipotent); a human is not. Those examples are, of course, overly simplified so I will delve deeper into one a bit. In 2017, we were developing a bionic eye that allows a person to see a vague, blurry image of an object that would help with visually navigating but isn't true vision by a long shot. That is state of the art "human" and a far cry from the eye's that God gave us. Therefore, God is, by any human understanding of the concept, indeed Omnipotent. So, if God is some of the things that make Him God, but in other areas, he is essentially human, then he really isn't God, is he? The point is, God is who God is, regardless of whether He fits in your personal "god box" or not. The fact that you would prefer a God you can relate to, instead of an unrelatable God you could never hope to be like, is irrelevant. I am curious, though, how would it help with believability?

[@owengameing6182]

@@paqqmann8886 The retina is an awful light detecting device. It has a hole in the middle, detects color only by means of combining 3 colors, not 17 like other species, and its resolution is extremely poor by comparison with cameras made by humans nearly 200 years ago. You should stick to talking about the brain. That's where vision happens, not the eye.

[@paqqmann8886]

@@owengameing6182 You have a point, the brain is where the "magic" happens, and in comparison to other species, the human eye is dismally weak in comparison--facts. However, in making your point, you missed mine completely. I was speaking expressly about the design aspects of the eye itself--no more, no less. My point is that the "design elements" of the biological eye as created by God, human or otherwise, is infinitely more complex than that which we humans, can create with our vast array of technological marvels and advanced scientific knowledge. You read way too far into what I said and in doing so took it totally out of context, which is what Three Arrows has done with every point he seems to have made thus far in the 13 minutes I've watched his video. More to come on that though, I plan to research his information thoroughly and make my first video out of it. Stay tuned :)

[@owengameing6182]

@@paqqmann8886 oh no, I got your point. Believe me. As you are still "in training," I just wanted to give you some advice to help you make your point better. Don't concentrate on any of the human body's traits being "unsurpassed" by technology, unless you're talking about the brain, as it's still (as of this writing) the trickiest argument to counter. With artificial eyes, it isn't the camera technology versus the human eye that are in competition. It's the ophthalmic nerve / occipital lobe interface that's currently difficult to mimic with our technology. It has to do with how small nerve cells are, and the difficulty in distributing the impulses from light sensors directly to the visual cortex that's the problem. Hope this helps.

[@paqqmann8886]

@@owengameing6182 Indeed, it does help further my understanding of the function of the eye and for that I thank you. But my argument doesn't rely on expert knowledge, as you've so handily shown I have no firm grasp of whatsoever. It is for that reason that the entire premise of my argument is not the complex and overly complicated, nearly incomprehensible process by which we get to the end result (what we see), but simply and exclusively the end result itself. Let me explain: I googled "robotic eye" and the first page in the results was a MedicalExpress.com article from 2017, which states: "We know from...patients that [objects are] seen as a series of bright flashes rather than as a steady perception. The world is thus flashing bursts of light arranged to represent the basic shape - like the height and width - and approximate location of an object in front of the camera." In the article is a montage of 3 pictures of an object (in this case a person standing by a window) used to simulate what the "object" would [1] look like to someone with normal vision (ironically, a still image from video camera footage); [2] a 2D high-contrast rendition of the image (the data the bionic eye used to produce a final image); and [3] what the "object" looks like to someone with a bionic eye (the final result of image processing). When I said something would look "blurry" or "hazy" to someone with a bionic eye, it was this image I used to formulate that opinion. I then used the information gleaned from the article to compare what I know about my own eyesight--being that I can see and all--and what I learned from the article about bionic eyesight and concluded that the design of a biological eye--and by inference the complicated processes thereof--is light-years beyond mankind's current capabilities to recreate it. Let me put it in a simple analogy: what a human sees is like the output of RED's top tier camera, while the output of a bionic eye is like that of an etch-a-sketch. It's that simple, bro. There is no need to delve into what it was that the inventor of the etch-a-sketch didn't understand that caused his inability to produce a device that output 8K quality images. All that extraneous, completely irrelevant information is a smoke-screen designed to confuse a person out of accepting the validity of my point. The fact that we can't reproduce true vision because we don't understand the occipital lobe/ophthalmic nerve interface has nothing to do with the fact that the end result of one eye is astronomically more advanced than the other. So, yes, I am "in training" and very new to this, but I know well enough not to argue a topic in depth if I don't have the depth of knowledge to argue it. I guess it was a good thing I was talking about what stuff looks like instead of how the brain works, huh?

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

This was a lot of fun! I loved the story telling. This reminded me of the countless historical sites and artifacts I saw in Israel which obviously indicated a polytheist history. Ironically, I encountered several Protestant church groups there to see those things in order to strengthen their faith in “the one true god” Yahweh.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

Right. Weird.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@paradisecityX0 Just like we see in every book of the Bible, it's not the Israelites who were unaware of other gods in their culture group or still others in surrounding cultures. Nor were they unaware of the conflicts between followers of different gods or the petty jealousies engendered. It is medieval and modern Christians who are "unaware" of the polytheist reality, pretending that the Bible is monotheist throughout and trying to explain away all references to surrounding mythology, especially El, Ashara, and the Elohim. I doubt those Protestants cared to hear about dad, mom, or sibs.

[@applepie2744]

@@yahwehismyeverything1867Yahveh is a israelite god of war, nothing else.

[@eclectic2327]

make a video on it bro id love to watch that

[@Givenphy]

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[@SilverMoon459]

This is facinating, thank you so much for uploading this video.

[@stevenkluga8929]

I was skeptical at first that this passage implies the idea of polytheism or YHWH being bested. My idea was the translation of "handing Moab into your hands" could also be translated as "handing the Moabites into your hands" and considering its written "Israel invaded the land and slaughtered the Moabites." Depending on what translation you read, it can either show God being bested or God being credible as Israel slaughtered the Moabites. But when the passage clarifies that the firstborn was sacrificed then seemingly by divine intervention 700 men managed to reek so much wrath that Israel leaves. Polytheism remnants are still visible in the Old Testament.

[@darkanddryhumour1822]

Not to mention if this guy would take the time to read the Hebrew he would find that it indeed does say that the king sacrifice his son since it uses the possessive singular word for son. "There are four words for son in Hebrew"

[@strappedfatman7858]

It's because the Pagans who do human sacrifices! Adam wasn't deceived. The ground did produce thorns and thistles because Jesus worn the crown of thorns and thistles. God told Adam the prophecy of the resurrection. Genesis 3:15 The Sacrifice of Jesus was the first part of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will bruise him in the heel.” Satan the Dragon and the Wild Beast the 6th Kingdom executed Jesus on their image the cross. It was the Roman Empire of Italy that is also the shape of the heel. So the first part of the prophecy is complete . Satan bruised Jesus in the heel.

[@strappedfatman7858]

Jesus is the Lamb of The God of Abraham YHVH Yehovah Jehovah Mark 16:8 In the Gospel of Mark. If the women tell no one then, Who is ! What each Gospel story is about. The four living creatures! Matthew Who was! Mark Who is! Luke Who is Coming! John The Lamb of YHVH! The four gospels are associated with the four living creatures: Matthew, the man, Mark the lion, Luke the ox, and John the eagle. John has Jesus dying on a different day. It's the Day of Preparation, not the Day of Preparation for Passover. It was the day they prepared the lambs for sacrifice. While at the same time, Jesus is prepared for sacrifice. Jesus is the Lamb of YHVH Yehovah Jehovah a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle. The man symbolises the prophet; the lion, kingship; the ox, priesthood, and the eagle, fatherhood.

[@strappedfatman7858]

Yahweh is from the Samaritans. John 4:22 Samaritans had their own temple! Within the region of Samaria, in the city of Sychar, was Jacob’s well. This was the location of Jesus’ conversation with the Samaritan woman, who asked, “Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?” (John 4:12). Later in the conversation, she brought up a centuries-old controversy: “Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem” (verse 20). “This mountain” is a reference to Mount Gerizim in the central Samaritan highlands, the place where the Samaritans had built their own temple, which they considered the true temple of God. John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.

[@wikkidklown5650]

I know, I'm a year late but I seen this as a recommended video. Ive been subscribed for a week or so. I really enjoyed hearing this story. Thank you!

[@Cernunnos_83]

Same as me. Very good video! 👏🌳🌱💚

[@anonymous-jm8rt]

there is no god but Allah/Yahweh

[@anonymous-jm8rt]

@@Cernunnos_83 there is no god but Allah/Yahweh

[@wikkidklown5650]

@@anonymous-jm8rt so you worship muslim and Christianity? Lmfao

[@anonymous-jm8rt]

@@wikkidklown5650 are you stupid? Muslims and Christians worship the same God. There is only one God. InshAllah you will realise it. ☝️🤲📿

[@mrbalderus2245]

I came here because of your most recent hammered out video with Suris. I am hooked.

[@Anthro006]

I loved this! Nicely done with the comparative readings!

[@snorribjorn5074]

Very well researched, and well done! Excellent work all around!

[@n30byte84]

Wrong. This video is completely inconsistent with the reference material that it claims to use.

[@efrainderuyck6181]

@@n30byte84 exactly

[@jasondavis3774]

@@n30byte84 ok, so demonstrate your claim

[@n30byte84]

@@jasondavis3774 2 Kings 3 (KJV) does not tell a story of Yahweh's defeat. Israel was victorious, even after the 700 Moabites were sent. After Moab's defeat, the king sacrificed his own son (likely to Chemosh), and the Moabites were mad but still defeated (as Yahweh promised). The scripture says the Israelites "departed" on their own accord. The video poster takes one sentence from the last verse of 2 Kings 3 and misinterprets it to indicate some kind of defeat. The word "departed" does not indicate any military victory for the Moabites, but instead implies that the Israelites left on their own volition. The story being told in this video is not consistent with scripture. There was no victory for Chemosh. Yahweh's word stood. He was not defeated.

[@carlapowell4864]

Awesome I’ve been looking for a more in depth look at these beliefs, thank you so much. I personally have been learning to find my own spirituality recently within my different ancestry and this helps greatly widen my understanding of all!

[@YourBoyNobody530]

This was something that really peaked my interests because Christians are so hyper focused on the fact that their god is the only god that saying you god acknowledges the existence of another god is basically the funniest way to say your a polytheist to a monotheist.

[@anonymous-jm8rt]

there is no god but Allah/Yahweh

[@jonathanedwards9204]

There is only one God.

[@anonymous-jm8rt]

@@jonathanedwards9204 mashallah ur correct

[@benjalucian1515]

@@jonathanedwards9204 - prove it.

[@jonathanedwards9204]

Prove it call out to him and see what happens say the Lord's prayer and accept Jesus in your heart and repent of your sins and when you read the Bible. Something will happened trust me. Don't be like me who sis home all day and live in the shadows

[@IAteTheAntiChrist]

It's so odd to me how Christians declare "there is only one god!" When I was a Christian I knew there were other gods simply because I read the bible.....

[@kalez963]

Then you didn't understand the bible

[@briankelly9347]

​@@kalez963in marvel other gods exist

[@Notifications485]

@@kalez963the bible talks about other gods like Dagon and Baal 😂. Looks like you didn’t read your Bible

[@kalez963]

@@Notifications485 State the verses then.

[@Notifications485]

@@kalez963 1 Kings 18:20-40 -talks about prophet Elijah and Baal worshippers

[@hillarycolen1163]

I like how you get straight to the point

[@yahwehyhwh6136]

YES I AM THE CREATOR AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD!! ME YAHWEH!!! I AM GOD ALMIGHTY!! THERE ARE NO GODS...BUT ME!

[@deezydayungdon]

😂😂😂

[@jaxthewolf4572]

LMAO

[@briankelly9347]

GOD HAS NO NAME The One Above All is God

[@enrichedatheism2097]

Excellent presentation. Came here from your GE segment. Will definitely be watching more!

[@RazeFireBE]

This is great, look forward to listening to more of your content while I work

[@Chew1964]

“Locusts and frogs do not make for omnipotence.” Especially since the Pharaoh’s magicians were able to duplicate turning the Nile to blood and the plague of frogs. Exodus 7:22 and Exodus 8:7

[@Talenel]

"Hey, you know what will convince the Egyptians of my omnipotence? I'll just copy that 'rod turns into a snake' trick that the Egyptians can also do.You know, the one that I already know they can do and thus won't be convinced by, because omniscience. That's definitely a good use of my time. " -Yahweh, apparently.

[@drewgraffia]

dvdjspr they couldn’t replicate all of the plagues and that’s how they knew Yahweh was legit

[@queenvictoria5710]

@@Talenel don't forget that the snake of God killed and ate the snake made by the pharaoh

[@TheDemonOfTheAbyss]

I would love a person to make meteors fall from the sky in several thousand BC. Given that conventional siege weaponry was not made till several hundred bc by ancient Greeks. Which were then modified by Romans and then expanded upon differently by different nations throughout time. Oh also let's see the pharaoh's men replicate killing every first born precisely in ALL of Egypt in ONE night WITHOUT BEING NOTICED. Even if it was for one city alone that would damn be near impossible. Not only would you have to be precise which was the firstborn. But you would have to go house to house without being noticed. In the several hundred, I guarantee you someone would notice.

[@queenvictoria5710]

@@TheDemonOfTheAbyss I don't think God has the word "Impossible" in his dictionary, if you thought about it with a rational explanation, miracles are near to impossible. But knowing that God is omniscient he too knows which first born is out there and an angel of death or just death who can kill instantly without moving from one kid to another. Meteors falling from the sky would be like normal rain to God, and this could only happen if a meteor shower was headed directly at earth or just a near volcano. But that is just God.

[@DoomSlayer-pq6lg]

I feel like all the gods exist. As you said the Christians don’t deny the existence of other gods, they just have the audacity to say Yahweh is the only one you should worship.

[@Thunor93]

Yeah this is why i am pagan, my family who is christian and catholic protestant hate when i point of hypocritical facts like that or how it states that "god" is a jealous god and they should only worship him. Also they claim jesus is god yahweh himself when he is in fact yahweh's son making jesus a "gasp" DEMIGOD!. They claim all ofther pantheons are story books... Yeah well that is what the bible basically is. The bible was written centuries after jesus's death, so it is hard to know what really happen cause ot is like playing the "telephone game" stories get misconstrued over time.

[@nickyoder16]

@@Thunor93 read the lost book of enki then I recommend emerald tablets by Thoth

[@Thunor93]

@@nickyoder16 send links to them both.

[@nickyoder16]

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[@nickyoder16]

@@Thunor93 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZK0q2N4d6usmdU

[@zanoscarthage7123]

I really enjoyed this, thanks for putting this together.

[@candidarnell865]

This was great! I enjoyed this emensly. And agree lots with things you say... I live this!

[@nythiriafade3374]

I just discovered you through Mr. Pumpkins live chat. This video is amazing!

[@OceanKeltoi]

Nythiria Fade i’m so glad! This video required a ton of research.

[@AgentK87]

Honestly, this was fantastic. I've read the Bible through at least 4 times, (when I was forced to be a Christian as a child) and I don't remember this passage... maybe because I blanked out through half of it, but this whole story is utterly fascinating!

[@starshield7]

Emma Darbyshire This video contains false premises. Many verses in the bible before 2 kings already explained that God planned to hand the Hebrews to their enemies for a temporary time to try to motivate them to try to reject narcissistic rituals and to try to practice kindness and humility, and it also explained that God would then free them from their enemies after this process and then defeat their enemies and have the Hebrews prosper in the long run

[@AgentK87]

@@starshield7 I beg to differ with your the use of the phrase, "this video contains false premises". 1. This isn't a Christian channel, so why on earth would he approach it like a Christian? 2. The bible is full of contradictions and you know it. 3. Even though I've chosen Norse Paganism specifically for my path, doesn't mean that other religions aren't invalid. I believe in Yahweh as much as I believe in Odin. Yahweh was just a no way for me. 4. Just the differences between Jesus and Yahweh from Old to New Testament are conflicting enough. First god spoke to people in person, was violent and bloody in helping the Hebrews take over (not that some violence isn't justified, I'm just pointing out it wasn't a "peaceful" religion), and generally rained hell fire down on anyone who even misspoke. What happens in the New Testament to sinners? Nothing but promises of a hellish afterlife if you don't fall in line and no live communication with God 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@starshield7]

@@AgentK87 Now your reply has a lot of misrepresentations, let me explain: 1) People don't have to be christian to avoid misrepresenting the bible by making sentences that are not in the book... strawmen are examples of bad research.... mr "ocean" made claims without proving them with evidence, even atheists can acknowledge this flaw in mr "ocean" here. 2) I see no proof of the bible claiming that there is eternal punishment... if medieval Europeans add words to the bible that was written by Hebrews, why choose to believe the medieval Europeans for some reason lol?.. .. 3) The bible explains that the *physical* source and sustainer of physics is literally a person, not a thing, that many people call God, Yahweh, etc, and it also explains that morality has physical force in life, and that the source of physics tries to balance suffering and pleasure to try to motivate everyone to try to practice kindness and humility, and that the source of physics tries to have this as an aspect of paradise (and morality done through pure will power makes morality and paradise authentic. Thus it makes sense to value the physical source if physics and virtue more than anyone else by default and just merely see everyone else as siblings without actually worshiping them. This is the real virtue and conscepts in the bible according to it's original translation from what I know of, and that the wisdom in the original bible from what I know of is legitimately superior to the Norse paganism from what I'm convinced of. Also I'm German and Swedish descent myself so I can an relate to certain reminants of nordic sentiments from living with my family and socializing with my relatives.

[@AgentK87]

@@starshield7 is this a debate on morals or on whether or not this is a misrepresentation of the Bible? Because if it's about a misrepresentation of the Bible, I can run with that. Comparing morals with one another really holds no value unless we can agree on a moral standard. I'm glad you've found your path, whatever that is because it's definitely NOT the Christianity I lived for 18 years of my life. As for verses on permanent condemnation? Revelations 19:20, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Matthew 25:41 & 46, Daniel 12:2, need I go on? The Bible promises damnation and eternal punishment multiple, multiple times. Besides though just condemnation after death, in the Old Testament God actually forced people to do his will ie. Exodus 9:12, where God hardened Pharaoh's heart, then punished him afterwards. I have no issue with Jesus himself, he condemned the religious practices of the Jews because they weren't genuine. It was all props and costumes. I don't see the entire bible though teaching us about physics or how the universe balances pleasure with pain. That sounds way more like a Pagan idea than a Christian one. I completely agree that Christian morality isn't bad. It's actually very useful and practical. HOWEVER, it's not the only belief system that includes similar rules. Out of pure curiosity, if you're not a Christian, why are you arguing with a stranger on the internet about whether the bible is being misrepresented or not? Like, you came to me. I'm more than happy to play along with this, but I'd like some honesty about our stance. As for background, I appreciate that you tried to identify with me by talking about your ethnic background, but in truth that's utterly irrelevant to me. I am of German, Danish and Icelandic ancestry, but religion shouldn't be exclusive to ethnicity. I only chose Norse Paganism because I literally felt called. There's no logical explanation or way that I can explain it with what words we currently have other than the gods called me and I answered.

[@starshield7]

@@AgentK87 Morality is part of talking about the information in the bible. Your christian upbringing is apparently false with teachers using failed research, I checked the grammar and Greek translations of a certain part of a word in the verses that you typed; apparently the word "ever" has multiple meanings in Greek (the language that Hebrews used to write the new Testament) and *three* of those meanings translating as "sometimes", "occasionally" and "ever" (again), "everlasting" in English is too vague to describe infinity in the bible, and the bible already has verses explaining that if you repent from sin and ask Jesus to be your savior (etc) you will be saved, without mention of a deadline to that promise... and even verses in the new testament explained that after Jesus died, he preached his gospel to people in hell... does all this not suggest salvation without infinite punishment? You chose to believe the flawed teachings of your Christian teachers for some reason.... why didn't you try to challenge them with actual proper grammar and language translations before giving up? I did not say pleasure "with" pain, I tried to explain that the source of physics (as God is described to be in the bible) tries to *balance* life in such a way to try to motivate each person to try to practice kindness and humility through will power. According to the bible, morality has physical force in life, not arbitrariness.... the physical implications of that concept being real is by default more important than what norse paganism preaches from what I've learned of it so far. Can you address the physicality of morality in this conversation?

[@steventan2754]

Just your music choice for the intro made me sub :)

[@Hrabns]

From Rachaels channel! So happy to find a fellow Polytheist! I primarily worship Tyr, Mani and Sunna.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I'll have to tell her there's dirty pagans among her audience.

[@Hrabns]

Ocean Keltoi shhhhhh we will silently take over her channel

[@csluau5913]

That must get confusing. Do they answer you when you pray to them?

[@BeeHatGuy]

I worship Ronald Reagan

[@Gamerboi89898]

I worship Tyr and Freyja myself. Glad to see ya here. Skål my friends

[@Greye13]

I haven't heard of Chemosh for a long time now and I found this video very interesting. Thank you for mentioning him.

[@themightywarriorspiritofgo4275]

He is a beta sissy deity

[@sivwebber5561]

I really enjoyed this video!

[@OceanKeltoi]

I'm really glad you did!

[@inspiredaction162]

A God that an angel can try to overthrow and can’t kill him but can kill many humans, a God that a human wrestled with lol, a God who had to turn human to forgive sins lol

[@j-leemccollister621]

I am a heathen who just got out of prison, and I've had a deal for the past seven and a half years with Christians explaining to me, the heathen, how they have the one true God and my gods don't exist. So thank you for this video, because I've had many of a debate with the Good Samaritan Christians and this would have been very helpful to use against them, so thank you for that.

[@FireFoxGaming_]

Who are the gods that your worshipping? I’m just wondering

[@j-leemccollister621]

The celtic Morrigu and Thunar/Thor are my patrons. im very celtic/norse. If you would like to have more discussion about this i am open and willing

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@j-leemccollister621 Pretty late but are you still up for discussion? Because if so I have a hankering to learn about the Celtic Pantheon (I am learning about Norse culture as well but I am working on that with an IRL friend.)

[@j-leemccollister621]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Yeah we can talk how would you like to make this happen? Email? Text? Which format would you like?

[@BarbaPamino]

No true Christian would ever deny that your daemons are real and exist. That's just western enlightenment nonsense. Your gods are real. They simply aren't worthy of worship. Because they are created beings who have fallen from grace and use their limited powers to sway your temporary materialist desires that case you to worship them. But these forces can only help you achieve material success in this fallen world. They don't have the wisdom or power to any more than that. I pray for you eternal soul.

[@hamo1701]

Well done!

[@Ian-yf7uf]

EL was the creator god, Yahweh is basically a dragon if you look at him more closely. He was a smithing God the Hebrews adopted from the Canaanites

[@JesusIsTheKey22]

Thank you!!

[@justinbrosious6601]

All religious gods are of Draco faction

[@angbar9075]

sooo who is the real god

[@ogfullmelt]

@@angbar9075 you are

[@mickj9203]

Do you have a source for this? A legit scholarly source?

[@dracula7919]

Great video! :)

[@N30WULF]

This was amazing & definitely gives a new perspective & angle on Christianity!

[@ChristianWitches]

WOW. What an eye-opening conversation. LOVE IT

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deutoeronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@jagjitsingh1227]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 thank you brother god bless you for share this great knowledge from the word of god. Yahweh is the true god and he is the only one God over all universe. And living God

[@phoenixwildfyre4998]

It's interesting to me that of all the times I read that chapter in 2 Kings as a xtian, I never saw the significance of the last verse. Even now as not a xtian, my first thought was "that can't be right." But I looked it up and there it was. Learned something new today.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deutoeronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@scratchingtomakeit8647]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 I don't think this Idiot is going to read this. Make it shorter.

[@phoenixwildfyre4998]

@@scratchingtomakeit8647 idiot? Nice christian attitude. But then, I'm no longer surprised at the nastiness and venom that comes from your religion.

[@phoenixwildfyre4998]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 I'm assuming this wall of text was intended for Ocean, I don't know why you addressed it to me. Aside from that, what slander? Disagreeing with your religious beliefs is not slander. Saying that you think the god that christians worship is not what they claim him to be is not slander. Saying you don't understand how christians justify a specific belief is not slander. But if you want Ocean to answer, @ him not reply to me.

[@jasondavis3774]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 you must be a Christian

[@Grimm299]

Great video!

[@konradpanduram4576]

What a great channel, subbed, boom bohlenath!

[@OceanKeltoi]

I appreciate it!

[@petertocher6845]

An excellent piece and presentation. As a former Jehovah's Witness for 20+ years I could never safely discuss these sorts of anomalies with anyone. "Truly, Brothers, studying the Bible is guaranteed to make you atheist !"

[@TruthSpeaker.]

Brother, how can you say reading the Bible will make you athiest? The BIBLE IS JUST LITERATURE written by CHARLATANS.... If reading it makes you athiest, you must of went in with the assumption that either God's real & the Bible's perfect or the Bible contains bs & therefore God's not real. That's a logical fallacy called the False Dilemma, or the Black & White fallacy. That's the problem with you people (both Christians & Athiests alike are guilty of this!) Putting the Bible on a pedestal to the point where the existence of God hinges on whether some literature ( the bible) contains bs in it or not. Are you so dense you cannot tell the difference between literature written by self proclaimed spokespersons for God, and God himself? The real God has nothing to do with the Bible - the so called "holy" bible was compiled by Gods enemies, the Archons, to mislead people & portray God in a terrible way. Any reasonable person can see that the bible is just literature written by people and so it has nothing to do with whether there's a God!!!!!!!!

[@kevincastle2471]

The world isn't just christian and atheist. And it is silly that only one book can cause one to be atheist. I am not christian. I am not an atheist. I am not religious at all. Study other beliefs and religions and decide then. Whenever an atheist say that they had read the bible and is now an atheist, then I ask, do other religions not mean anything? Is christianity the only religion? Are you simply ignoring and denying other religions and beliefs? I personally hate the whole abrahamic god, I think it is an evil being, but there are other deities that aren't as vainglorious and malevolent as yahweh/allah. I don't follow any gods, but I don't deny any of them. The possibities are still out there.

[@petertocher6845]

@@kevincastle2471 Of course, my story is much longer and more complicated than my short comment above. I had been curious about religions prior to joining JW's at age 18. I was a little sceptical but they answered many of my existential questions for a while.....until they didn't! I looked at the common denominators of the Abrahamic religions and Buddhist thought. And there were little philosophical bits of everything everywhere. As I arrived at old age I had learned that there are as many opinions on life as there are people and my religion was no more believable than many others. In fact, it was downright detrimental ! I am quite comfortable with not knowing many things about life and I'm quite comfortable telling you, you don't either 😄

[@kevincastle2471]

@@petertocher6845 I had never claimed that I know everything about life. And I never will, for I believe in an infinite amount of knowledge and possibilities.

[@petertocher6845]

@@kevincastle2471 Of course. I don't say that you do. I meant 'you' in the sense of 'everyone'.

[@redjirachi1]

We need to know more about Caananite religion, see more representations in fiction. It is the religion the biggest faiths were born from

[@kirkcannon8079]

I assume because it is a touchy subject for people of abrahamic faith, but then again there was prince of egypt which was well received so ehhh who knows

[@KasirRham]

Caanonite religion would make for epic movies fantasy RPGs and maybe even some brutal Lovecraftian stuff... since these gods are almost always mean and vicious.

[@KiraReminiec9399]

And Sumerian

[@AshrafAnam]

Islam or Muslims never recognized Yahweh or any other pagan god. So not all. The Quran presents the orthodox monotheism of Abraham.

[@SaintFort]

@@AshrafAnam Nonsense. The Quran acknowledges all of the following "prophets," whose names include "Yahweh": 1. Elijah = Eliyahu = "My god is Yahweh" 2. Isaiah = Yeshayahu = "Yahweh saves" 3. Jeremiah = Yirmeyahu = "Appointed by Yahweh" 4. Zechariah = Zekharyah = "Remember Yahweh" Furthermore, even the Hebrew word "El," which is related to the Arabic words "ilah" and "Allah," originate from a pagan Canaanite deity who was believed to be the father of many other gods.

[@micheleames8110]

Thank you for your time and knowledge

[@garretttv1000]

Interesting I really enjoyed listening to this episode, thank you for the information.

[@thefuccboiassassin5262]

Great video

[@TheUltrabeast55]

Wow. I love it thank you for sharing.

[@jaremawisniowiecki5909]

Thx for your work! :D

[@Sewblon]

6:49 In the translation you used, 2nd kings 3:27 says that he sacrificed his 1st born son. But not to whom. So how do you know that he sacrificed him to Chemosh?

[@jules_2.0]

More story times! From either the bible or other sources!

[@t-lilyshock9531]

Big fan of all your stuff

[@michaeldad3847]

Awesome. Good story telling.

[@geoffrey6420]

The way we Christians advertise and evangelize our religion has always seemed a little off plus the little detail about how I do not know who I am talking to you when I pray.

[@maymay5600]

bruh, i have always wondered why the hell alot of stuff i question, i suddenly get attacked but when i go after their religion it's a problem? i remember in a youtube comment i said to someone which 'god' you're referring and gave the same bullshit response the radical christians give 'the almighty one true god' and i had a month ago kinda argue a point to someone saying in which god are you referring to? because from what i remembered, the name god itself is a title not a specific name

[@seedy3cd393]

Great story! I've known of this for quite some time and point it out to christians when they insist the Jews have always been monotheistic, when early on they were not. YHVH was a tribal god not the only god. Praise Zeus, Iesus .

[@OceanKeltoi]

Well now you have the story in video form to send them, references and all. DM it to a few Christians to brighten their day.

[@Kenanlast]

Sucks

[@Kenanlast]

Sucks that thunder shit

[@IonIsFalling7217]

This is now my favourite thing on the internet. Thank you.

[@UncleFrump]

I love information like this.

[@thebreadpilledwitch7508]

Very inspiring

[@Master_Blackthorne]

These videos are very important. Fundamentalists are notorious for not reading their Bibles thoroughly and are therefor unaware of their scripture's glaring inconsistencies. Our people who have chosen the path of Heathenry must have the proper knowledge to defend their faith against those whose forbears desecrated and burned our temples and murdered our people for political reasons.

[@atheistal4598]

I first recall the story of Chumash in 2 Kings 3 on the site, "Vice Verses". I'll probably do a video on it in the near future.

[@41Duck]

This video had several high points for me--a few I hold quite dear: first, recognizing that Christians are, indeed, polytheists--I distinctly remember getting my ass kicked as a kid for suggesting this. Second, that, according to the bible, polytheism is true; reading from the Moab stone, and the storytelling itself. Well done, Ocean.

[@drewgraffia]

Christians aren’t polytheistic. There are “gods” which are lower class elohim and then the Elohim of elohim, God. He is on an entirely different level. They were created, He was not.

[@drewgraffia]

@Lawn Mower I take this as the Israelites were supposed to trust Yahweh for the victory that He said He would give them. Them Mesha, the King of Moab made a ritualistic sacrifice to the god Chemosh in view of the Israelites. He likely did this in hopes of receiving demonic empowerment from the god. As the Israelites saw this they lost their faith and became fearful of this power and of this god. Therefore, Yahweh removed His hand from them and allowed them to lose because they didn't trust Him when He said He would give them the victory.

[@drewgraffia]

@Lawn Mower I am Christian. As for the theory I set forth, it makes sense within the confines of scripture and from what I've seen about topics relating to this, this is my hypothesis (stated earlier)

[@chriswest6652]

attributing them as demons rather than as gods as the bible says, still holds true id say. Its important to remmber that us humans r, in at least one place, refered to as gods, lower xase g. peace.

[@draco_1876]

@@drewgraffia Lmao he lost get over it 😂😂

[@Bullshotinbutt]

Rachel Oates said you suck in the nicest sort of way and I owe her a huge one for recommending you! Subscribed.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Welcome! I'm overwhelmed with the feedback from her endorsement.

[@rosackoh1959]

I think Rachel suck,s but I am not going to unsubscribe her

[@vendictusthefeymer-kin1306]

Heck yeah it does!

[@Raptor3Falcon]

nice music in the beginning, what is it?

[@LisaForTruth]

Well, considering Yahweh couldn't even defeat iron chariots, I'd say kicking his ass would've been a piece of cake...

[@complex4487]

Then fight him lol

[@LisaForTruth]

@@complex4487 Can't fight something that doesn't exist

[@The_Practical_Daydreamer]

Read in the book of Judges. The chariots of General Sisera.

[@LisaForTruth]

@@The_Practical_Daydreamer Judges 1:19; doesn't matter, though, because it never happened. You should learn some history

[@The_Practical_Daydreamer]

@@LisaForTruth It was not in Judges 1:19. It does leave a record of God defeating chariots. Most likely through sending a rain burst, which muddied the ground making the chariots useless.

[@schiller2222]

In Judges 1:19 the Canaanites kicked YHWH and his Israelites in the butt: 'The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron"

[@MirandaMcKennitt]

Rachel recommended you. I was a bit disappointed, because I had a misconception the video was about Astarte ("Astoreth" as Apple call Her). Can you make a video about her marriage to Yahweh and their divorce? I subscribed and turned the notifications on, just in case if you do. I would tip you, but I'm almost broke at this time of the month. 😉

[@OceanKeltoi]

Miranda McKennitt i do plan on making a video a out that in the future. But in the meantime, there are some links in the description you might like.

[@MirandaMcKennitt]

@@OceanKeltoi I hold you to your word. ASTARTE is damn important to me. Lets click on something randomv from your video collection

[@OceanKeltoi]

@@MirandaMcKennittShe's a very important deity to me as well. I've been doing research on her here and there. I think that Christianity's destruction of the feminine divine contributes heavily to its current view on women. It'll be some time from now, I think. But that's a project that I see on the horizon.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@OceanKeltoi much appreciated

[@shadaloo1]

Her name is Asharah. Astarte is a similar energy but they are two different beings

[@elaineandjohn9599]

Yes I did enjoy, thank you.

[@luciferiarose465]

Your... Really interesting. I don't know what I think of you, but subscribed.

[@lilykatmoon4508]

The guy on the channel Esoterica did an excellent video explaining the development of Yahweh as a god in the Middle East. Very fascinating deep dive full of attestations.

[@flaviussilva9958]

This was a well researched video. I appreciate this, as it was well done. I respect the level of detail that was used, even if I disagree with the argument. Consider this: the concept of Cosmic geography. If you are unfamiliar with this argument, please watch the lecture Supernatural by Dr. Michael S. Heiser. It might answer some questions.

[@Mythical.History]

Awesome video bro!

[@jrp7808]

Yaweh was a copper dragon. He breathed fire, had long snouts that bellowed smoke, had wings too. He sent down snakes of fire to bite the Israelites and then made them make an idol of a copper fire serpant on a tall stick. After he told them not to worship false idols.

[@RedDingo777]

Yahweh simps would just say that Chemosh was allowed to win for "mysterious ways"...

[@Mf-wolf]

Smh yet nobody knows chemosh and another mere fallen idol god lol edgy atheist are comedic

[@starshield7]

RedDingo777 Accordimg to the actual wisdom portrayed in the bible, the Creator tries to motivate souls to try to practice kindness and humility, the Creator values the virtue of kindness and humility above inflating self ego above what is deserved. This premise in the wisdom in the bible makes the religion of the bible morally superior to things like norse paganism...

[@starshield7]

@The Bearded Dragon The premise in this video is a false representation (with word semantics) of the moral premises in the bible and the mindsets of so many believers of it because according to the actual wisdom portrayed in the bible, the Creator tries to motivate souls to try to practice kindness and humility, the Creator values the virtue of kindness and humility above inflating self ego above what is deserved; this premise in the wisdom in the bible makes the religion of the bible morally superior to things like norse paganism...

[@RedDingo777]

@@starshield7 I don’t want to hear anything about moral superiority and kindness from a being that permits progeria and eternally punishes souls for ephemeral transgressions. More to the point, I don’t want to hear it from said beings moralist self-styledly “humble” sycophants. Go catch flies with your bullshit elsewhere. Until I hear a good reason for bone cancer in children (who are also damned if they are pagan), I don’t give two shits about uselessness concepts like “sin” and “piety”.

[@starshield7]

@@RedDingo777 I've seen no evidence in the bible that portrays what you just described... someone adds words to th e bible that *ARE NOT THERE* then you deliberately choose to believe that person without treating the bible verses for how they present themselves... can you imagine failing research this much with any other book in the world???? Sheesh. There is no "eternal punishment" portrayed in the proper translation of the bible, did some Catholic say it was without proof and you just deliberately chose to believe him/ her without actually going by how the properly translated bible presents itself?

[@changesregistered1859]

Thank you!!!

[@Edk3689]

Pride comes before the fall and Yahweh was always bragging about being the high and lofty one so what goes up must come down….Bad God !

[@sulrynhlaalu3785]

Poor Chemosh… It seems that many people in comments didn’t want to believe what is clearly recorded on an ancient stele.

[@tannermccollum7060]

The Old Testament alone made me see through Yahweh's Vale of perfection.

[@tannermccollum7060]

@Meme God Exodus 21 condones slavery, Leviticus also says slavery is okay. In Exodus Yahweh admits hardening Pharaoh's heart. Yahweh committed genocide via a flood. Eve is blamed for original sin. Also Yahweh admits to having anger management issues, and being jealous when other gods are shown devotion.

[@mydogchaplin]

I’ve got a question u might be able help me with. I’m trying to find what gods did yaweh come from? Can’t seem to find it

[@OceanKeltoi]

There's several answers to that. Yahweh could be a combination of gods or not. I'd say start your research with William Dever's book "Did God have a Wife" and check out the bibliography from there. That would be a good starting point for going on that journey.

[@snapperl]

Fascinating! I have to investigate this Chemosh fellow. Thank you for sharing.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deuteronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@snapperl]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 BTW, you do realize the bible is fiction right? Not sure you got that memo. PS Santa Claus isnt real either.

[@Revelations7]

@@snapperl Do you realize that The bible Is very much true and real! Most of the prophecies of the Testaments had been fulfilled and the ones that aren't, are for the latter days!(Future)

[@Revelations7]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 Godbless you

[@snapperl]

@@Revelations7 No, that is just wishful thinking. The mundane aspects MIGHT be real but the fantastical stuff is just fiction.

[@absintheminded8466]

Interesting video! Here is my take on it. The only people I remember being mentioned as child sacrifices was the Carthage pantheon and there is proof of that now. Also, to my knowledge, whenever something is done it's because of an angel God sent who is his hand so to speak and so has a chance to fail against other powers like when David (or Daniel? One of those D named guys) was in jail and prayed to God for help. Eventually an angel comes and says he would have gotten a reply sooner but the last angel sent was ambushed and so a stronger angel was sent. I remember reading that as a kid and going, wait, why didnt God send the right angel for the job the first time? But now that I think about it, God gave angels and humans free will which means we learn from our mistakes and maybe God was giving an angel a chance to prove himself or something. Definitely interesting to think about.

[@Prameses]

I agree life goes on in the after life in God and angels are warrior race

[@orlandofelix9512]

I love your comment my brother, it is a wise way of thinking

[@Prameses]

Facts Free will ppl for get that . In god true form is out side of existence neither us nor the angel could survive in his true presence .I sure that's why he sends the Angels

[@raidensoul8315]

I like the way you think, very well laid out argument, Keep up the videos dude! However I see a major flaw dudes, God was never fighting a physical battle. So even if land was lost or a physical battle it doesn't matter. Because the fight is in our mind over good and evil, love and hate. Not blood or land but id like to see your opinion on this bro.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deutoeronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Just keep telling yourself YHWH isn't a con artist and a thief. A despicable traitor to his own kin. When he messes up he just makes his vassels say he intended this result all along. Just a petty braggart who happened to have servants more capable than himself.

[@augustcameron8121]

A respectable statement you have at 8:16 I do agree that polytheism is true and exists with every culture in civilization. As far as strength, to which I find a mundane prospect, the spirit or entity you worship does not need be powerful. They get power from our prayer/chant/spells that will source us to them. The more to prayer the more present the being. I had saw many strange things on my journey through limbo, and that was something that scares me to this day.

[@raymondhabermehl990]

Interested to see how some of my family and friends takes this if I talk to them about it

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deuteronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@supershadowan]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 thank you for making it clear

[@angelasmith5019]

Can't wait until I've watched the video to say that I love the 80s intro. Amazing, I alwys support more 80s stuff.

[@pantheon_itf]

Greetings Ocean, a Christian here. I recently found your channel, and I’m enjoying most of your content. I read through 2 Kings chapter 3, and there’s no mention of any victory for the king of Moab, only the sacrifice of his son. Is there another passage you’re pulling from that you hadn’t mentioned in the video?

[@garyfindlay8052]

2nd Kings, Chapter 3 verse 27: Then he [The King of Moab] took is oldest son who was to reign in his place and offered him for a burnt offering on the wall [of the city of moab]. And there came a great wrath against the host of Israel. And they withdrew from him [the King of Moab] and returned into thier own land. ESV:2007 2 Kings, 3:27 - Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him (i)for(/i) a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to thier own land. KJV: 1958

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deuteronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@pantheon_itf]

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 Thanks for this! Ocean's claim that the Bible said that Chemosh entered the battle to overturn Yahweh's prophecy was so wild I had to look it up for myself, and I was so confused when I couldn't find anything even resembling the claim in the passage. I don't even usually comment on videos, but I didn't want to believe that Ocean was disingenuous with his claim, so I hoped he would address this strange oversight.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

@@pantheon_itf You're welcome! I don't feel like Ocean was necessarily being disingenuous, although I'd say based on his assertion at the start of the video he was biased against Christians and Yahweh, this is a fairly popular and well put together argument that comes up online, and even under light scrutiny it seems to hold up, so I understand why when looking into it he reached a conclusion of it's accuracy. however it doesn't hold up at all under heavy scrutiny as I and many others have displayed. Thanks for reading. God bless you and watch over you.

[@randyjones3050]

When you come to the realization that everything in the Bible was written by humans you begin to understand why there are glaring ommissions and significant conflicts within the different texts of the scriptures. Assuming this was actually an historical event, do you think that the Hebrew scribes who wrote down the texts from the oral tradition would want to include anything that would make Yahweh look weaker than another god? Of course not! They knew they had to include the defeat in their history, but it was reframed as an apparent chastisement by Yahweh. The survivors get to write the text however they wish. Never forget that.

[@yougiro]

Hey whats the name of the series in 0:10 hhhhh i use to watch that when i was a kind but cant remember the name hhhhh

[@eurech]

When you read the Bible in is cultural context, this makes perfect sense. This is a polytheistic society with many gods, gods who have different roles; some are attributed to the sea, the storm, others to the earth, the sun and so on. One thing they got in common is that they are not all powerful. Even the creator gods in Babylon, Apsu and Tiamat, were later destroyed by their own creation (Ea and Marduk). It was only later on that Yahweh would grow in importance and eventually become the only God, the all powerful creator.

[@briangoubeaux5360]

It's interesting. Thinking about it myself, I sometimes think the Yeshua is representative of El, being that the actions of Christ and the personality of the god of Genesis seem to mesh well with each other. It was when I was thinking about Exodus is when I epiphanied that the god of the Bible did a complete 180 with his personality, commanding for things that he would've been shocked at the thought before. It was with this and the tale of Isaiah and Yahweh against the former god of the Isrealites, Baal, that I thought that the Bible of the Old Testament signified three gods throughout its run before Christ transformed it with the New Testament. But that's just my opinion.

[@drsamkfelix]

explain this

[@briangoubeaux5360]

@@drsamkfelix You have to read the context of the books. In Genesis, God (described as El) was a lot like a doting grandfather. He treated the characters of the book playfully, allowing them to win challenges with a chuckle and He was pretty chill. And at the end, God actually felt regret after the Flood much like how someone realized that they made a huge mistake in handling something important and dear to them. Then, when Exodus happened, God's personality seems to do a turnaround, being vindictive toward others and promoting violence among His followers. It was The Book of Isaiah that made me think that the God that ended up wasn't the God of Genesis. In that book, it was stated that the Isrealites worshiped an entity named Baal and when Isaiah came in with Yahweh and successfully converted the Isrealites to Yahweh, that's when Yahweh became the main deity in their culture. So logically, in the expanse of the Bible, the Jews went from El to Baal to Yahweh. And as to the thought that Yeshua might be a return of El is because the personality of El in Genesis and the personality of Jesus in the New Testament are shockingly similar to each other. Of course, It's just speculation on my part, so unless there's proof that can be agreed upon by theologians, it's just a hypothesis.

[@spartanmma901]

Thank you for proving my theory correct🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Jezedh]

Heyyo. I appreciate your work.

[@stupidhat1779]

Crom is unafraid of Yahweh and Chemosh and you never want to piss off his followers! Just sayin Great video :-)

[@OceanKeltoi]

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then the HELL with you!

[@christianmanurung5051]

@@OceanKeltoi idiot

[@csluau5913]

Do you know what, I actually laughed at this one :-) Crom indeed. LOL where is my sword?!

[@josephpeck8723]

Is Crom a Celtic deity?

[@stupidhat1779]

@@josephpeck8723 the God Conan the barbarian and his people the Cimeraians worshipped.

[@Raccoon-gy6vc]

rachel told me to tell you to get dabbed on

[@brentcrane4918]

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” Genesis 11:7 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. Genesis 1:26

[@roflswamp6]

This is an insanely good video

[@stuckinflorida9685]

I don’t care what Rachel says about you, you tell a good story. Yahweh was a self admitted jealous god, and there are other gods mentioned in the Bible by god himself, he just wants to be numero uno. I’m going to check out more of your videos and I subbed, I assume atheist are allowed. Thanks it’s always good to hear things from another perspective.

[@OceanKeltoi]

One of my main efforts is actually mutual respect between atheists and polytheists.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

there is a difference between God and gods , one is the Creator , the rest are created by men to explain away their fears

[@deathandcats]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 I mean, you know that sounds crazy, right? It comes across as 'i heard a disembodied voice telling me I was right and you're wrong' with nothing but a history book that has been translated and revised throughout about 15 centuries, reflecting the cultural mores of the times. There is nothing more than that that you can use to prove your point and frankly, it proves very little, in terms of the supernatural. Its main value lies in its worth as a historical document.

[@sonalsharma5855]

then why is YHWH’s name written in our FLIPPING DNA?

[@buzzbuzz2691]

Cause people chose the letters.

[@halafradrimx]

Which pantheon is yours, by the way?

[@OceanKeltoi]

Norse pantheon, among others. But mainly the Norse.

[@halafradrimx]

@@OceanKeltoi Mine is the Celtiberian! Much respect and love for you, friend. Never forget to be a fearless adventurer out there.

[@icflows]

Dropping vibes here like a bad fainting body

[@shishoka]

As a nerd I plan to add this to a campaign setting at some point.

[@stevejacob3843]

I suggest reading other comments who disproved his statements, which he has not responded to btw.

[@skepticdank1121]

Was this the one with the iron chariots that god couldn’t defeat?

[@johnnyjet3.1412]

Therefore x-Ians can’t own cars

[@richo61]

I loved this - I hadn't heard of this particular battle of the Gods before. I am familiar with the tale of the priests of Baal going up in a god battle with Yahwehs prophet Elijah... If I am remembering that right? It ends with Jahweh sending down fire and burning a Bull on a pyre - and all 500 priests of Baal are slaughtered ... Anyway great story!

[@WWZenaDo]

About that tale of the supposedly "divine fire" consuming the offering... Here's an interesting tidbit I've dug up about that supposedly "magical" fire that came down from "Jahweh": A recent program on the History channel pointed out that “Elijah” lived in a time when they had the ability to start a fire using quicklime (burned limestone), sulfur & charcoal - plus other flammable materials. Therefore the ‘miracle’ described at the above scripture, may have been due to a judicious mixture of this recipe, placed below the wood, to ignite when the water was poured over the wood… “How do you make Fire with naphtha quicklime and block sulfur? Answer: 1.) Mix the Sulfur (block) and Quicklime together. 2.) Combine that mixture with combustible material (various size pieces of wood from kindling to small pieces) making a compact design. 3.) Make sure that the area can get good ventilation. 4.) Pour water over the entire mixture of Wood, Sulfur, & Quicklime. 5.) The EXOTHERMIC reaction that then takes place "should" be hot enough to ignite the wood into a fiery mass.” From: wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_make_Fire_with_naphtha_quicklime_and_block_sulfur Also see Isaiah 30:33 [ESV] which mentions a stream of fire ‘kindling’ the pyre… “33 For a burning place[e] has long been prepared; indeed, for the king it is made ready, its pyre made deep and wide, with fire and wood in abundance; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of sulfur, kindles it.” Which strongly indicates that Elijah fully understood the effects of sulfur in relation to the ignition of fires.

[@WWZenaDo]

@Lawn Mower If "Elijah" even existed. Like "Moses", "Abraham", "Isaac", and many other bible characters which were probably legendary instead of based on any real people.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yahweh remains Undefeated. This is not an overturned prophecy, but rather the fulfillment of 1 prophecy, 2 Kings 3:10-20.and an example of God keeping his word from Deuteronomy 2:9. not sure which translation you're using but the KJV reads 2 Kings 3:10-20 10 And the king of Israel said, Alas! that the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab! 11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord, that we may enquire of the Lord by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. 12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him. 13 And Elisha said unto the king of Israel, What have I to do with thee? get thee to the prophets of thy father, and to the prophets of thy mother. And the king of Israel said unto him, Nay: for the Lord hath called these three kings together, to deliver them into the hand of Moab. 14 And Elisha said, As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, surely, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look toward thee, nor see thee. 15 But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him. 16 And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Make this valley full of ditches. 17 For thus saith the Lord, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts. 18 And this is but a light thing in the sight of the Lord: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand. 19 And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones. 20 And it came to pass in the morning, when the meat offering was offered, that, behold, there came water by the way of Edom, and the country was filled with water. You'll see in verse 19 "He will deliver the MOABITES also INTO YOUR HAND" NOT "hand Moab over to you" as is shown in the cherry picked translation used to present this arguement online, and in this video. What happens to Israel or what Israel does after they(THE MOABITES NOT MOAB) have been delivered into their hand is irrelivant to the prophecy. Period. 2 Kings 3:27 says this was king Meshas son who was to rule in his stead, If Israel had Killed King Mesha and taken Moab, Moab would have belonged to Israel as a property which God forbids in Deuteronomy 2:9 9 And the Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. So it should come as no surprise that a great indignation from God should come against Israel for attempting to take possesion of Moab. Their beef was with King Mesha who refused to continue paying them. Please forgive my formatting, spelling, and grammar, I'm not a writer. At 5:12 into the video the narrator says "The Moabites claiming victory and attributing it to Chemosh isn't quite enough to say that Yahweh was defeated by Chemosh, and a struggle between people isn't quite a struggle between the gods,(and he's right) BUT WE HAVE THE BIBLE" except you don't. there was no over turned prophecy because the prophecy was carried out to the letter in the KJV. The Bible reffers to a great Indignation against Israel, Indignation is considered the only form of anger that isn't sinful and is typically attributed to Gods anger. They left because their God was angry at them, it's pretty clear. Whether it's because he didn't want them to posess Moab, or perhaps the sacrifice Mesha was pushed towards reminded God of the sacrifice He'd one day make for us (or as the Talmud suggests, it mirrored the sacrifice Abraham was willing to make of Isaac(which mirrors Christ's sacrifice)) isn't made clear to us in the Biblical text What is clear is that they left because of THEIR GOD, not Chemosh. What we have here is a case of he said she said, King Mesha in the Moabite stone says Chemosh helped him swamp the Israelites from the get go, and the Bible says Elishas prephecy of Israel smiting every fenced and choice city, and felling the trees, stopping wells, and having THE MOABITES delivered INTO THEIR HAND, came to pass. However Kings who have lost have chosen to monumnetize false victories throughout history such as Egypt creating monuments for their victory in the 1973 Yom Kippur War which they lost, and that was recent back in the day a Moabite king could write down whatever history he wanted. I suppose the same could be said for the Bible. However, The Moabite Stone also proves the historical accuracy of multiple locations and people mentioned in the Bible thought to be non historical , because the stone actually proved the Bible to be an accurate source of info on some subjects odds weigh heavily in favor that The Biblical account is factual, were King Mesha was allowed to live on and write the story as he saw fit, depicting his and his gods false victory over their enemy as you might expect. Between about 7:00 and around 7:24ish the narrator is explaining the biblical description of the battle then he just goes ahead and says "Chemosh enters the battle and over turns Yahwehs prophecy", that information comes from King Meshas Moabite stone, not the Bible. There are hundreds of debates about Biblical accuracy left to be had this is but one claim that turned out to be false, I encourage all of you to continue to question everything but don't just assume that because someone did some research on stuff other people researched that it's the whole story or the truth. I don't expect the narrator to change his mind about his beliefs or his stance on possible Biblical inaccuracies but I hope this insight helped him recognize that this particular example is not an example of Prophecy over turned or unfulfilled and is not a reliable example of Yahweh being defeated. I realize that many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity by so called "Christians" but this goes against Christs teachings, most of you wouldn't slander anyone's religious beliefs yet for some reason think it's ok to blatantly slander Christians? Many of you have likely been scoffed at and ridiculed by "Christians" for your beliefs, that's not what the Bible teaches either. I hope that anyone who read this far is wise enough not to ridicule anyone for their beliefs including Christians. I'm sure the narrator has many excellent videos about the various pantheons of gods and I'm looking forward to checking them out since I take a great interest in all of them. He's right in saying most Christians call these other gods false gods or demons, or outright don't believe in them, the Bible teaches they're mostly fallen angels whom God has bestowed the task to watch over the nations, and who disobey him leading people to believe they are their creators and providers, teachers and demand to be worshiped as gods (exactly as you'd expect higher beings who fell to do). God allows this because he wants us to choose him, he gave us free will and that includes the angels, they are free to seduce humanity and we're free to follow them, just as we're free to kill if we choose, we're not and they're not exempt from repercussions. Many of these angels are still allowed a place on the Divine council as seen in the book of Job, and whether benevolent or malevolent all of them answer his beckon call including satan. I believe your gods are real, because the Bible says so. Just as a death, and jail time for murder is a result of actions, so is the corruption of humanity and the punishment of the rebellious angels and non repentant sinners the result of satans and our actions, regardless of the subversion of Gods original plan for humanity, we'll all end up where we belong. Thanks for reading, this last paragraph was intended to clear up the Christian slander at the start of the video, and share a misunderstood part of what myself and other Bible believing Christians believe. You're all free to choose any god you want, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs with this writing but please don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs or anyone for that matter. Peace and Grace to you all, and God bless you! Please don't delete my comment, also I do feel like because this is not accurate information you really should take the video down, knowing what we know now, it's doing your viewers a disservice, looking forward to keeping my mouth shut and checking out some of your other videos.

[@krispalermo8133]

I have met people that call the whole Bible " bull crap " to that single book alone, cause the wizard the Baal priest called in to Curse the Israelites had a talking donkey. You can't take a religion serious if it says animals can talk, cause animals can't .. Talk ! Then again those same people can't wrap their heads around the concept that other cultures around the world also had stories of talking animals. Also pagan witches and wild wise men/ women have always said animals can talk, only humans forgotten or refuse to listen cause of their own egos keep getting in the way of .. hearing.

[@samlatin8933]

@@WWZenaDo they were real people