The Golden Age of Music - 1908-1913??

[@homard6174]

As soon as I see Mahler, I have to watch this video

[@estel5335]

Same here, mate! Mahler's is where it's at.

[@lilje372]

Same

[@maxalaintwo3578]

I can't blame you. Mahler is part of the turn-of-the-20th-century gang

[@althor5980]

Mahler is simply the best

[@_rstcm]

Ur profile pic says it all!

[@ToastedCigar]

The movement "sunrise" from Daphnis and Chloe is probably my favourite moment in the history of music. I heard it the first time when I was taking a walk at the lakeside last summer and I will never forget the impact it had on me.

[@МатвейМещеряков-ц7ф]

Had the exact same experience! First heard it while on a walk in a wooded area, on a cliff overlooking a big river and its valley, during a beatiful, dewy spring day with sun illuminating all this amazingly huge space. Unforgettable.

[@InsidetheScore]

Timestamps for Navigation (skip to 1:48 if you just want to hear the music!!) 0:00 - Intro and Theatre in 1600 1:05 - Innovation in Music by 1913 1:48 - Mahler and the Fin de Siecle 3:11 - Post-Romantic Music Showcase 5:08 - Impressionist Music Showcase 6:24 - Expressionist Music Showcase 7:53 - Lili Boulanger 9:11 - Discover More Music Like This And to those new to this channel, my focus is on Western Art Music (aka European Classical Music), which is my niche - I may be getting overfamiliar with my regular audience!

[@albuch520]

Great video, you could also mention the isle of dead by Rachmaninoff (1908), I really want to hear your opinion about the piece. I really like it. Also during the years there is also some Strauss great pieces and the Petrushka by Stravinsky. But that's really a great video, I never thought about how much important music is created during this 5 years.

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

I was very fond of the theater back in my day.

[@bachagain1685]

Listening to some Berlioz bach in the day

[@eyuin5716]

Was it a mind blowing experience?

[@マセダオマル]

I agree with you, great years to be a musician and concertgoer. As a proof, Bartók was affected by the fever of this epoch forever. He wanted to merge everything he listened at that time with his own surrounding sounds. I'm pretty sure that's the reason why I love his music the most.

[@dfkfgjfg]

I see Mahler, I click

[@CaesarCMusic]

Thank you, this is amazing! Would’ve liked to see Strauss (Richard) here though :)

[@InsidetheScore]

You're right - absolutely my bad

[@giandomenicolupo372]

Yes, Strauss > Mahler imho. Rosenkavalier premiered in 1911. Ariadne in 1912. And it's remarkable how, despite his cliché reputation as an unrepentant traditionalist and postromantic, during the period that is the subject of this video he had partially moved on from his previous style and started pionerring neo-classical tendencies, before Stravinsky, while almost everybody else was either writing highly charged romantic/expressionist music or was under the spell of French impressionism. But maybe that can be a topic for another video!

[@swymaj02]

My primary school was named after Delius, and it even had a BBC Inside Out made about the connection (I obviously lived in Bradford then), but no one bangs on about him. Nice to see you talk about him.

[@tailleferrestan]

Yay! You mentioned my favorite composer, Lili! Sadly she's mostly forgotten nowadays.

[@gilbertdaroy6080]

Your passion and enthusiasm for music is so contagious.

[@lad9732]

I have to say I thought this was going to be a brief history of the early Romantic to Modernist period in music. Now im longing for a part 2 🥺

[@InsidetheScore]

That would be cool!

[@lad9732]

@@InsidetheScore right? It’d be great to see how beethovens legacy lived throughout the century into Wagnerian, Straussian and even Berg/Schoenbergs attempts to break w tonality. Or maybe im just a bit crazy 😂

[@JBorda]

The Rite of Spring is unparalleled. Probably the most iconic piece of the Century.

[@JBorda]

@Vox Daze It'd be great to listen to that!

[@jhanbury1968]

I've always had a personal tast for late romantic and post romantic music.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Also I love how both the Maximalists and Impressionists are still Romantic in the sense that they're programmatic and trying to paint a vivid picture with their music. The German folks are painting glorious battle scenes and the French folks are painting idyllic oceans and mountains.

[@Hailey_Paige_1937]

Thank you so much for this! These are all GEMS! I would have loved to be at The Rite’s premier, though... 😂😂😂

[@jhanbury1968]

You'd have to watch your step. A big fist fight broke out during the Premier. Lol

[@_rstcm]

And you could team up with Debussy and Ravel, who were both at the premiere..........AND LOVED IT!

[@TheEleatic]

I think it essential to point out the synergy created amongst all of the other arts: dance, literature, sculpture, painting, drama. They all inspired each other and fired the furnace of cultural creativity. Proust captures the aestheticism of the epoch beautifully.

A century later....how many folks in the general population have even heard of any of these guys?

[@InsidetheScore]

Fair point! This is a classical niche channel so obviously my focus was there ;)

[@jls4382]

I don't know. I know all these guys and after 60+ years of loving classical music and long, torrid, passionate affairs with the Romantic, Renaissance, and Baroque periods this music of the tail end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries is my ultimate favorite and has been for many years. I don't think there will be another great love of this kind for me. This period is more than enough.

[@GreenTeaViewer]

Is the general population relevant? Education is terrible and has been for decades, but we can't help that.

[@LouisJamesMallison]

I've seen a lot of sources say Lili Boulanger died of Crohn's disease which is very interesting because I have Crohn's disease and I'm just one year younger than she was when she died. Imagine the music she would have made if she had access to the medicine of just a century later...

[@thesignupplace3123]

When I saw 1908-1913, I thought of Tin Pan Alley and Ragtime - another golden age happening then as well.

[@StGroovy]

The problem is that people who head these pieces at the time didn't know they would be considered influencial masterpieces. That only comes with time. Most stuff is crap and quality gets filtered through those metaphorical sands of time. Take a look at modern anything, and tell me what will last.

[@dansmith3085]

Sturgeon's Law - 90% of everything is crap. infogalactic.com/info/Sturgeon%27s_law

[@maxalaintwo3578]

@@dansmith3085 Exactly. I'm sure there was hot garbage 100 years ago and hot garbage today. It's just that the filter of criticism was harsher then because of the natural technological limitations of the time. You couldn't have Soundcloud or Spotify or KZbin filled with millions of mediocre stuff. Music composition wasn't as approachable as it is now. That's not to say 90% of stuff sucked then and 99% does now, only that the filter of the good stuff will take longer now

[@azokkal]

@@maxalaintwo3578 I don't think there is the same percentage of quality at all times. There are times of progression and times of regression in history. It depends on the fields, but in art it also comes from a change in mentality. Previously there was an elitist culture, no one had difficulty admitting that there are higher works and lower things. And of course that pushed the artists to surpass themselves, to progress, and the public to listen to quality. Now there is a dominant egalitarian ideology which prevents any development. If we say that there are superior musical styles, inferior artists etc, a lot of people will be shocked, get angry, say it's backward, that everyone has their tastes, everyone is equal etc ... So obviously this pushes artists to follow more conventions, to do what works and to make less effort. It's a bit like in sports competitions, where we say that everyone is equal, that the important thing is not the score but to participate, etc ... If the public says that running the 100m in 9 seconds or 40 seconds is the same, of course the level of competitions will drop.

[@diemenschen8339]

@@azokkal it's good hear it by someone else.

[@eyvindjr]

Yes, you would need to travel back knowing that the works would be influential. What was really popular was things like Tin Pan Alley songs, Sousa marches and Lehar operettas.

[@TheMarcHicks]

No matter how old I get, I can never seem to bring myself to like the Expressionist music of Schoenberg or Webern. It was my most hated subject in "Music History & Literature" back when I was in High School. Such a comedown compared to the gorgeous Impressionist works such as Nuages, Prelude to an Afternoon of a Faun, Pavanne for a Dead Princess that we had just been learning about. Fun side-fact, we were taught about Impressionist Music by a young Student teacher who, like me, was an oboist. Man, I had such a massive crush on her! 😉

[@maxalaintwo3578]

I feel the same. Maybe I'm just not "intellectual" enough and I'm too Philistine to appreciate the Modernist stuff, but it's just not my preference. That Maximalist end to the Romantic period was peak music. All music. From all the world. All cultures.

[@benjaminh.abraham6815]

Great selection! It's a shame that modern day orchestras aren't playing as much new music as they did back then.

[@ameramuthana8618]

The goats at 6:50 represent what I feel when I hear Schoenberg

[@InsidetheScore]

Ha! You're not alone. Though there's some amazing Schoenberg too

[@onitasanders7403]

Love all your videos. Am a recent viewer. One of my favorite composers which I rarely hear anything about is Ottorino Respighi. Became aware him through a harp transcription of his Siciliano from his Ancient Airs. I know he is not in the upper tier of great composers but he has done some absolutely beautiful and rewarding works to play. His Pines and Fountain orchestral show pieces are always a joy to listen to. I was hoping you might think of working him in on one of your KZbin creations. Thank you for your time.

[@Cesar_SM]

Be sure to listen to his Vetrate di Chiesa, Metamorphoseon, Concerto Gregoriano, Trittico Botticelliano. All fantastic works.

[@j.p.blackcoyote]

Thank you guys both I'm checking him out upd: i love the dude now, his music really deserves more recognition, i read his biography and like who cares. it's all history now, he just wanted to compose and perform music in peace...

[@TheAnadromist]

Excellent thesis. I think it certainly was a seriously important time. Especially as it was all about to wiped away by war and modernism. I find that the musical Impressionists can also be considered Symbolists and I think philosophically they have much more in common with the Fin de Siécle monde than with the rather Realism oriented Impressionist painters. I was recently reading Oscar Wilde's Picture of Dorian Gray for the first time and listening to Fauré and Debussy while doing so was perfect, especially in the beginning of the story. But yes I would say that late 19th early 20th Century period is becoming more and more interesting as time passes. I plan on doing a video on the Symbolist Era at some point in the not too distant future. (By the way, though this is probably miles off your radar, I just did a long study on American minstrel music that you might find worthwhile.) I have also become more enamored of the 17th Century musically, especially the dance music, which Jordi Savall and others have brought out of mothballs and stilted mid-20th Century interpretations. Thanks for the historical insights. More please.

[@waynedombrowski7568]

Being a Debussy and Mahler freak,this truly is a golden age. If only we had a time machine. I myself would've bummed around Spain (Granados,Albeniz,DeFalla)& France(Claude,andFaure,Ravel..). I think of Debussy dying of colo-rectal cancer in 1914,hearing the German cannons. Paradise Lost.

[@AZmom60]

This was fascinating to me, because I had thought most early 20th Century music was expressionistic (which is not my favorite), so I had missed all the wonderful Impressionistic music from that time. Thank you

[@InsidetheScore]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it

[@scottweaverphotovideo]

The entire period from 1880 thru 1915 is incredible, not just for music but also visual arts. Makes our recent decades seem pretty crappy, honestly. If you can challenge that assertion please do.

[@moth5799]

I'm not knowledgeable on visual arts but there's been just as much innovation in music in the recent decades compared to the romantic / early modern period. For example, the synth was invented. We've now got access to an effectively infinite range of timbres, and it's changed music forever, leading to some really, really cool sounding experimental music. Harmony has also been further explored, with things like loop theory and polytonality becoming more prominent (for example, check out giant steps, which is in at least 3 keys at the same time). There's also the hip-hop invention of flow, which, whilst I'm not a fan of hip-hop, is certainly a huge shift when it comes to music. The timbre of the voice has also been explored much, much further. We've got amazing opera singers that are just as, if not better than the ones in the 1890s, but we've also now got metal screams, which have been around for the past few decades, and are just another interesting way that vocalists can show off their virtuosity (check out "of nothing" by Tallah if you want to hear some interesting vocals). Other,' non-western genres of music, have also seen innovation. For example, Indian Classical has come a long, long way since its inception and now players of it are more virtuosic than ever. Punjabi music such as Bhangra has also fused with western pop to create an interesting, microtonal kind of pop music. Music has been constantly innovated on for the past 10,000 years. The late romantic / early modern period was amazing, and some of my favourite composers come from it, but our recent decades definitely aren't "crappy" in comparison.

[@johnvenable5638]

Great content and commentary. Thank you.

[@HOE68YEN]

Surprised to see my favorite - Delius , here. He is often overlooked. Thanks!

[@arturmoraes5655]

Awesome video, keep up the content

[@iododendron3416]

The end of an era... and then, WWI started. Coincidently, there is this of concept of the long 19th century in History, going from the French Revolution to WWI.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

And the short 20th century from WWI to the Fall of the USSR

[@MCMeru]

6:50 wtf xD

[@InsidetheScore]

Sorry...!

[@czadferedgilhang6206]

@@InsidetheScore that was scary lol

[@j.p.blackcoyote]

😂

[@firzaakbarpanjaitan]

Best moment of the video haha

[@CayenneTravels]

Bartok? Violin concerto and 1st string quartet were in that period. Although my favorite of his, Music for Strings, Percusion and Celeste, was a bit later (1936?).

[@harrisfrankou2368]

Bartok indeed!

[@KingSolomonsTemple]

Alegro Barbaro! 1911 He also wrote Bluebeard's Castle the same year though it was first performed after the war.

[@Yo_ca_va]

"the fin de siècle" c'est toujours surprenant de découvrir à chaque fois de nouvelles expressions françaises en anglais

[@InsidetheScore]

Haha I'd like to think it goes both ways but I'm sure we take MUCH more from you than the other way around

[@Yo_ca_va]

@@InsidetheScore idk... ( we use idk in french too for example )

[@InsidetheScore]

@@Yo_ca_va ^^

[@TheMusicalKnokcers]

@@Yo_ca_va euuuh non juste sur internet que certains disent idk, on dit jsp. Concerning the idea that english take more from french than the other way around I don't agree : All that's related to technology and trends we take it from english, mostly from the US (and it is sometimes ridiculous because we don't even try using the already existing french word). For the artistic word and cooking since the 17th century english take words from France because it is "fancy". And basically 50% of english words english take it from French because of william "guillaume le conquerant" but it's quite old now... so a bit irrelevant. It is pretty amusing to me a French to know that by translating from french to English as i am doing right now, i am de facto using a pompous tone as if i were some aristocrate. While this is regular words in french. Ex : i used amusing from "amusant" if i had used fun instead my sentence would be greatly different. When I passed Cambridge certification it helped me greatly because i don't need to learn vocabulary I just translate and it seems like I have a high level of english 😁. Accent is shitty tough.

[@captainhaddock6435]

Very surprised (and somewhat disappointed) that Richard Strauss wasn't even mentioned... Salome, Elektra, Rosenkavalier, Alpine Symphony... Some of the most important works of that period. That's really a deficit of this otherwise great video

[@InsidetheScore]

You're right Elektra and Rosenkav would have fitted nicely. Though problem was Strauss seems to move backwards. Elektra groundbreaking then Rosenkav nostalgic as if the war had already happened. So including Rosenkav didn't quite fit the narrative. And originally was trying to find pieces only from 1913, which Strauss didn't fit, but then I broke loose but missed out Strauss. You're right it is a deficit.

[@sylvaintaif8128]

It's now been 4 or 5 years that I've come to liking "classical" music, without prior studying or anything so... I always feel terribly ignorant and unable to understand most of the intricacies but at least I'm glad I crossed your channel to have your perspective, both analytically, piece by piece, and historically. (Loved the Brahms, Mahler and Saint-Saens pieces !) Mahler being one of my favorites to listen to nowadays, especially his 2nd symphony (that you covered and made me discover... I can't thank you enough !!!), the period from the late 1880's to WWII encompasses most of my favs - probably because of the use and richness of the percussions (I'm less fond of Haydn, Mozart's works and their mostly string - rare brass/wind era). So I couldn't ignore this vid aha ! I love to hear from you :) If anything, I'd love to have your thoughts on later classical music (Chostakovitch has been played in my town concert hall (Lyon, France) and I've grown to like his works, and more contemporary works such as Adams and Yoshimatsu) -and sorry for my English, not a native speaker here ;)

[@giulios.305]

Great video! Next time I'd like to see a video about contemporary classical music

[@ytpxp83]

Thank you for introducing me to music of Delius. This truly a new discovery for me. Much appreciate your guidance here.

[@maximiliangerboc]

Really great video, and I'll always be thankful for pointing me in the direction of Primephonic. I listen to it pretty much all day, every day.

[@whysrumgone]

Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis is handily my favorite piece. Glad to see it featured in this video

[@jordanmorris4090]

Lol'd hard at the Pierrot Lunaire joke. Excellent video, as always

[@fluffycloud88]

Wow, I’ve discovered great pieces thanks to your video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

[@PastorB1978]

Thank you for this gift. You gave me some wonderful food for thought.

[@notsorandom350]

The lecture mentioned in this video is called "The Unanswered Question", given by Leonard Bernstein. The first 3 episodes view music from the perspective of linguistics, and the last three episode discuss the progression of music and also try to answer the question "whither music". This documentary is long, but it is worth watching. (Bernstein actually spent a big chunk of time talking about Mahler's 9th Symphony)

[@jeanphillippes2196]

At that time Music had got so ahead of itself that few people had the capacity to understand it. Up to 1913 was truly a golden half-century. And remember Henry Purcell died young too.

I agree, for the most part, because I'd take that period as lasting roughly from 1880 to 1940 (with some notable exceptions like Messiaen who just kept on writing astonishing pieces all his life), which imo also includes the most impressive works in visual arts. Debussy's quite unknown "Invocation" and his Pelleas & Melisande, Ravel's Daphnis & Cloë, Stravinsky's Rite of Spring - these works have the same breath-taking impact every time I listen to them.

[@davidannderson9796]

Mahler, Richard Strauss, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, Scriabin, all at the same time, and also Rachmaninov, Puccini and Sibelius... all at the same time, composing some of their best works... what an unbelievable era! I can only imagine what it would have been like to live in Paris in those years and follow Diaghilev's Ballets Russes! Or see the debut of Strauss's Salome or Elektra, wherever they were debuted, to cry for Salome though she be a sinner or to thrill to Elektra's triumph, or to hear the debut of Debussy's latest pieces- such beauty in Debussy! I am not normally that big a fan of expressionism, but the expressionism in Strauss's Salome and Elektra has such heart and still holds out hope for us all, and that makes a huge difference! (But to find the heart in Salome you have to realize that you are supposed to cry for Salome even though she is a sinner! Love the sinner, hate the sin!) Two masterpieces for me!

[@guerricbrunet6340]

And Roussel!...😀

[@almur88]

for me Рахманинов's adagio (third movement of th 2nd symphony) is the best orchestra piece there is. upon hearing it for the first time I exploded with tears without even realising why. I was doing some other things whe suddenly the background music overwhelmed me. that's what I call the power of a melody.

[@jhanbury1968]

The 19th and very early 20th centuries were a unique period in music where the biggest names in music were also the greatest geniuses. Not so much in Bach's time. His music was considered too complex at that time. People preferred more simplistic watered down music. As for today's popular music, well ummm...

[@InsidetheScore]

Interesting perspective!

[@bachagain1685]

Bach is still fire ngl

[@moth5799]

There's still some excellent popular music today. Of course, the majority of popular music has been good (and it never has been, "pop" music in the 1890s was just as bad as pop music today), but there are still some gems you can find.

[@benjaminroberts1496]

Great video. I would just add Satie as a composer from that period who deserves mention. Thank you!

[@FilipSandecomposer]

Txs. Interesting view on music history!

[@anujacob4672]

I have been reading “The Rest is Noise” by Alex Ross...covers a lot of this and more in fascinating detail....must read! Great video Oscar!

[@InsidetheScore]

That's been sitting on my bookshelf for too long

[@anujacob4672]

@@InsidetheScore yes it’s a terrific read...very insightful ...also check out his book “wagnerism”

[@mishoren]

1913 was also the year of the interrupted premiere of Berg's Altenberglieder in Vienna.

[@nb2816]

To add to your English component, a number of Elgar's greatest works date from these years: both symphonies, the violin concerto, and Falstaff.

[@wewewewewewewewewe]

4:35 behold the SEA 4:59 Sea sea sea die soon some 10/10 diss track if I've ever heard one

[@micheasz2552]

In Poland , music and pieces similar to ,,Rite.." , like, ,Scythian suite" by Prokofiev, or some works of Bartok are sometines called ,,vitalism in music" because of shared elements - like pursue of what is primitive and spontaneous in music .

[@マセダオマル]

Yeah, people always forgot Bartók. His first String Quartet was performed in Budapest in 1910 and, besides being performed until 1918, Duke Bluebeard's Castle was composed primarily between 1911 and 1912, just to mention landmark works that fits in the romantic expressionist impressionist line of the video. Even Kossuth, written in 1903 and premiered in 1904, was a hit in Hungary. And Prokofiev was in his early development, but as the genius he was, he created great works.

[@jolu2469]

Thank you for the link to PrimePhonic. I signed up for the trial. So far, it's great.

[@cameronhughes9707]

Dude you look so much like this guy who was at the Chethams School of Music it is insane

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Why is it that all the cool stuff happens at the turn of a century? 17th to 18th for theatre, 19th to 20th for music, 20th to 21st for animation, etc.

[@treeguy5242]

I wanna hear about sibelius because he is so special. Plss make a video about him it would be super interesting

[@jorgeotolio]

Hey! Bartók's Allegro Barbaro from 1911 may have been premiered in some places also in 1913...

[@孔德辉-g2n]

I want Bruckner symphonies analysis. Thank you!

[@ruthsalgado6775]

When I heard Rachmaninoff and Mahler I just had to subscribe....

[@Theisentheis]

Thank you for the primephonic playlist. I use primephonic due to your recommendation and I like it. Cool app.

[@TrangDB9]

A video about the 1920's would be interesting. Glen Miller, Louis Armstrong, etc.

[@crewelocoman5b161]

All very well and good. However, the direction that classical music took at the beginning of the Twentieth Century and particularly after 1913 resulted in listeners and concert goers deserting classical music in their droves from which it has struggled to regain ground since. Of course, other factors were at work: the growth of 'popular' music in the form of rag time, dance, jazz and the expanding growth of recording which exploited these new trends. Remember, in 1903, Enrico Caruso's recording of 'Vesti La Guibba' from Leoncavallo's Pagliacci was the first 1 million selling record (on shellac 78rpm). I applaud your enthusiastic promotion of classical music and I'm aware that you have a loyal and enthusiastic and growing group of subscribers. However, I can tell you for a fact that when many people (the majority of the population are not music enthusiasts in the strictest sense) stumble upon anything that we would call 'expressionism' or 'neo-claissicism' and not just the icons mentioned here, take Harrison Birtwistle for example, it is the biggest turn off and obstacle to anyone wanting to explore classical music any further in any of its many forms. The prejudice is merely confirmed. Let's not forget, it was Schoenberg who founded a private listening society exclusively for a closed circle of followers.

[@InsidetheScore]

You're probably absolutely right. This is a topic for a future video...! Of course the title of this video was clickbaity, but I actually just got excited by just showing the wide variety of important Western Art music being written in that time

[@crewelocoman5b161]

@@InsidetheScore This is well worth a viewing, if you have not already come across it already: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIK2amSti8mpj8U

[@duqueadriano0081]

Ravel Gaspard de la Nuit and Rachmaninoff Sonata No.2 too.

[@Vesnicie]

Is Primephonic doomed to be dumbed down or otherwise reduced now that it has been acquired by Apple?

[@DivinoFloyd]

Thoses are definitly not my favorites periods... I'm too much in love with Bach's music or Mozart, Chopin, Beethoven. I'm a way too classical. There's some extraordinary composers, I can't say. But... too "crazy" or "modern" for me :-/ Like always, great video ! Cheers from France ! :-)

[@DivinoFloyd]

@Vox Daze Sorry dude, I'm from France, I don't understand everything in your comment. Hum. I don't have the end. But you have to know that I don't spit on those composers, really not. It's just, not my thing you know... I'm 31 yo, and I'm a really open minded guy. About music, movies, painting, every sort of art. I'm playing the piano since the age of 3, i'm playing the guitar since the age of 15. I know music. I'm not pretending that the baroque or classical composers are better, just I prefer their music than those ones. But for sure, expresionism, post-romantic are not bad composers. Never said that ;-) Musically

[@j.p.blackcoyote]

Me too in general, though I like Satie and certain works from others, so I started to think what if I am seriously missing something really good considering how many people enjoy the dudes of the video's time period. So for the last few weeks I am trying to get into Debussy, thinking maybe it's like with abstract art - the more you study it the more you fall in love with it!

[@maxalaintwo3578]

I never saw the Romantic and Impressionist folks as crazy. They just picked up what Bach, Vivaldi, Verdi, Beethoven, Haydn, and Mozart put down and carried it to its logical conclusion. It's all still tonal and four-part and everything just bombastically so. I can understand why that'd be a turn-off for some tho.

[@aymeric4703]

Howard Hanson and Ravel are my favorite

[@sebastianboeddinghaus3505]

I was not ready for the goats

[@RoyalProtectorate]

It's a shame we don't have PrimePhonic anymore

[@Paolo8772]

I love how you start with the best parts of Mahler's 8th with Solti, then referred to him as the ultimate "ultra romantic giant" of a composer. I also love how you classify these years as being ultra romantic of other composers. Puccini wasn't modern, (he was more Italian Verismo romantic); and he died in the 1924; Richard Strauss never became "modern" either (and he died in 1949) and Sibelius was a romantic composer that was never modern, and he died in 1957. Ravel also sounds more Romantic to me than modern but he was born in 1875; too late to be a true "romantic" composer. But throughout this video you've introduced me to other pieces. Thanks for this great video!

[@InsidetheScore]

I often think Strauss started modern and moved backwards...!

[@InsidetheScore]

Eg Salome, Elektra etc.

[@Hailey_Paige_1937]

I want to mention - I’m going to see Ravel’s Daphnis et Chloe on Friday, and I already know I’m going to be a mess. Ravel is my favorite composer, and I’ve been looking forward to this for THREE YEARS (COVID had it cancelled back in 2020). So I’m going to be a puddle of happy tears. ❤❤❤ I’ve never seen it live before, so I can’t wait. FINALLY!!

[@WetaMantis]

How was it? :) What a coincidence: I did also go see it in Montpellier, France on friday the 17th of Marsh directed by Michael Schønwandt.

[@WetaMantis]

Surreal.

[@Hailey_Paige_1937]

@@WetaMantis It exceeded my expectations for sure. I cried and felt a very intense euphoria. Definitely an incredible experience! I’d love to see it again.

[@estel5335]

I am a Mahlerian. I see Gustav, I click.

[@guerricbrunet6340]

A big date within this period : 1911 with Sibelius 4th symphony !😀

[@audiocristal]

THANKS !!!!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO !!!!!!!

[@adonisadmirer2752]

Third! Great topic, will watch later and give my opinion!

[@idrisatardis5553]

I have been using Primephonic on your recommendation. While it has some bugs, it is THE app for listening to classical music. Prior to using it, I had been using Apple Music which was just horrible. The names of pieces are not standardised and can often get so long you’d have to guess which movement it is before selecting. They even mislabelled Ginette Neveu’s Brahms Violin Concerto as Sibelius Violin Concerto. It’s very easy to find different recordings of the same work on Primephonic and therefore find the one you like the most. I’ve been a paying customer since the trial ended. Thanks for the recommendation

[@Wouter10123]

Has the Primephonic offline functionality been improved yet? I tried it a year or so ago, but offline functionality was very bad, which is why I went back to GPM. Now that GPM is shutting down, and YTM is shit, I'm considering giving Primephonic another go.

[@dq405]

Sibelius, too: his beautifully severe 4th symphony premiered in 1911.

[@Guycjohnsen]

I'm definitely a Post-Romantic!

[@maultasche668]

What do you think about Mahler 10 and how do you treat it? Only 1st movement or performing version?

[@idraote]

Sorry to mention it, but "Fin de siècle" actually stands for the last two decades of the XIX century.

[@davidlee6720]

not a symphonic giant, but I do love Satie, the first modern in my eyes.

[@guilhemmollon255]

Reminds me of the 67-69 period for rock music.

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

An era that had great potential so short lived. It was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@ruthsalgado6775]

MAHLERRRRRRRRRRRRR AND RACHMANINOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[@pianotaal]

What are classical composers doing NOW (2020-21)? Are they breaking more boundaries? How can I, being a composer, contribute to musical developments of TODAY?

[@SolarMumuns]

Combine classical (small c) composition techniques with modern production techniques.

[@pianotaal]

@@SolarMumuns 👍

[@campbellfulton8763]

All great in hindsight but at the time most of us would have be shaking our heads not understanding what we had heard.

[@djangaver]

Will there be a Shostakovich session hopefully?

[@garybrownell]

Since Primephonic is dead, is this playlist (or at least a list of the music) available anywhere else?

[@BatmanAoD]

The Pimrephonic playlist seems to have been deleted; is there another link somewhere?

[@louiscounet158]

Great video, but sad to see Sibelius ignored. Such a unique set of music would have fit perfectly.

[@guerricbrunet6340]

Exactly especially the 4th symphony from 1911...😀

[@steveengelbrcht8833]

Your videos are incredible! Could you do a break down of Carmina Burana by Carl Orff? Would love to see it!

[@harrymobbs7320]

Would you call Pierrot Lunaite atonal or expressionist?

[@GreenTeaViewer]

Both, with qualifications that these are not absolute terms but signifiers of a tendency

[@vollkenheimer]

Excellent analysis! This sadly makes all too clear my utter ignorance of the classical canon. Nonetheless, fascination.

[@needforthegreen]

Prime phonic is now joining apple so the playlist doesn’t exist anymore

[@thethikboy]

DebusSY - emphasis on the last syllable.