The Goth Scene has a Far Left Problem!

[@Nate.K.D.]

I'm also a Christian, right-leaning Conservative in the subculture myself and have noticed this. Personally, I don't care about a person's views so long as they leave others alone. Many bands I listen to are ideologically opposed to my views yet I love them. Sadly, these wingnuts are trying to cancel and might be successful at it, the vocalist of Sonsombre at the moment for being a member of the CSA. The accusation is that they are a white supremacists organization, yet they have black, Native American, and Jewish members. They have great music, but false accusations of racism may have destroyed them. They essentially want to subvert the goth subculture to where you have to be far-left to be goth. All extremes should be condemned for certain, but the left seems to be the one trying to end modern goth band's careers for not conforming to their ideology.

[@jaysector4901]

Agreed 100%! Indeed I have seen the Sonsombre situation. As someone into history I think it is important to learn the lessons of the Civil War. Brandon has been nothing but kind in all my interactions with him. The way he has been treated is unfair. He apologized and clearly cares about his fans. FORTUNATELY if you see the thread... it has only 22 or so "angry" reacts but 88 "love" over 20 "Care" and well over 100+ likes. The fans know his heart even though the loud extremists are trying to silence them.

[@davevampireknight9778]

I've noticed this as well. In this day and age in the Goth scene, it's really become a witch hunt.

[@Metalkid1500]

@@Nate.K.D. lefties act like racism is the worst possible crime ever, yet they defend pedophiles, woman beaters, and child abusers which are WORSE as long as those individuals are left wing.

[@GothicRose.]

Make goths great again. I'm seventeen and conservative and right winged goth

[@jaysector4901]

Good to know this scene has support from the next generation!

[@GothicRose.]

@@jaysector4901 it's rare to see. But there's more of us out there

[@jaysector4901]

@@GothicRose. keep being that light in a dark world!

[@blackraven5389]

It's the same in my country in Eastern Europe. A lot of people are on left-side here with anti-religious beliefs. It's like you cannot be goth if you are not atheist/left/liberal, etc. And music, music is not so important (for some) or there is only one true goth called trad goth. I just feel that goth became a lifestyle/ideological manifest being focused on very materialistic parts of subculture (mostly appearance). Or they see goth as some vampire freak show. Industrial/EBM scene is quite opposite, very focused on music, shows and collecting CDs/vinyls with minimal politics/belief system (it's treated more as personal stuff ) in similar vein to electronic dance music scenes. I feel like goth scene was more neutral and open-minded in the past. Maybe that's because my country is under agressive secularisation now (we are late for 30 years thanks to communism) and a lot of anti-christian and left things are just popular here. I just feel a lot of people just radicalised. And not only in Goth subculture. Literally everywhere. And some people just told me that if I don't like anti-religious stuff this is not subculture for me. Because I am not a fan of inverted crosses, pentagrams and so on. And if I wear a normal cross (even for pure aesthetic not as religious symbol) I am just a poser. Seriously, I don't remember times when goth was so narrow-minded. Funny how many cry for tolerance when they have none. I guess this not so hardcore like in US, yet shift towards left from more neutral/apolitical view is very clear.

[@jaysector4901]

I totally understand! I have seen it first hand and seen in on goth social media pages. Fortunately there are quite a few of us that not only tolerate various views some are Christians that lean conservative like myself. I get the scene and tolerate the things I disagree with because I have sympathy for them. Many are lost and need to be found and I tell my story! I will never understand full on communism in this scene...we are individuals and base our scene on individuality/creativity not hive mind collectivism. All the best to you, stay strong, and God bless!

[@GreatSmithanon]

I've reached a bit of an odd point. I still consider myself a Goth. I love Batcave and Darkwave and Deathrock above pretty much all other musical genres, still paint my nails black, have darker and victorianesque/glam romantic tastes, but I don't associate with the online Goth subculture and there's barely any local scene to speak of, Local dark music scenes leaning more towards industrial and alt-rock directions, which isn't the same thing. But I keep getting banned from community forums for opinions as mild as "People need to keep politics and music separate" and "I think BLM are grifters considering they've used their donations to buy a mansion and are openly marxist grifters". My politics trend more towards classic liberalism and libertarianism and that apparently makes me a super turbonazi these days, confusingly. Politics is a losing game and people need to stop playing.

[@jaysector4901]

Spot on! It is unfortunate what has happened in this once incredible scene! It used to be a celebration of a shared interest in music and culture and now it has become as polarizing as mainstream culture.

[@enbybeanie666]

Goth is the type of subculture where politics are inevitably a part of it, it stems from punk after all, so separating both is impossible

[@jaysector4901]

@@enbybeanie666 not true actually...if you know punk's origins, it was the Ramones that started it all and they weren't overtly political and Johnny was a well known conservative.

[@jackiecorsaut7618]

im a metalhead/mall goth, and i go to church, but im not conservative. im non conforming to society- and thats all that matters. i believe in God, yes, but my views dont line up with the typical christian.

[@poppyaddams6467]

I have just started to watch this one, but i am impatient to say that when i hear a goth preach BLM or trans women are women i get sick to my stomach 🤮 some even go as far as saying "if you don't support trans people then you are not a goth" 😶 like what does a music-based subculture have to to with that? I mean okay, the goth scene generally attracts more artistic and fluid individuals, but you can't put a ban on goth just because someone does not agree with you 😂 for the record i do support trans people (actual ADULT trans people, not the unicorns who want to harm children) bisexual and gay people. I believe they should be able to work, live and exist in our society same as anyone else. But i also believe in biological reality, in the right to have your own thoughts and express them without fear of being outcasted. I don't believe in unicorns and i am grounded in reality! Trans women for example are actual men, they are not women, they are men who TRANSition to live AS women. Can't believe reality has become offensive... Progressivism is slowly turning into fascism or Orwell's 1984... The goth subculture should be welcoming to all who enjoy the dark aesthetic and the music. Perhaps you've seen a fellow KZbinr of yours Kai Decadence 🙂 he discusses these topics at a great length.

[@jaysector4901]

Spot on when it comes to Goth and yes it is all about the music. One's sexual orientation/gender/preference is not relevant to it. Gender Dysphoria is not a trend/identity, it is a serious condition. You are absolutely correct in that progressives have now descended into the Sci-Fi mentalities of 1984 and Brave New World and it is troubling how authoritarian they have become. I have seen a video or two of Kai Decadence's, but do not know the videos very well. All the best and God bless!

[@poppyaddams6467]

@@jaysector4901 exactly! Thanks, have a good day and be well!

[@enbybeanie666]

You really think that just because trans people are trying to live their lives it means we live under an orwellian dictatorship? How stupid can you be to think that any sane goth person would be against minorities, you really are just a poseur if you're against trans people

[@madelinemehok1431]

I’m pretty left/liberal but I’m SO sick of the far left extremism in the scene. I’ve developed severe social anxiety over it. I have to censure my views at goth events in order to not get kicked out for wrongthink. It’s so conformist/authoritarian. And they act EXACTLY like hardcore religious nuts(I’m an ex Orthodox Jew trust me I Know the behaviors) , far left politics is their religion. It’s made me think of just leaving the scene and just doing goth stuff on my own with the few other moderates I’ve found. But decided against it because they would win from that, and because I truly love goth music/culture and still want to dance at nights and listen to music at shows/concerts. Now know that I very much disagree with conservative views but you are still goth if you have them(it’s music based) and should not be threatened with violence or be banned from events. You are very spot on about the anarchy and communism parts. These people ignore history and current events when they don’t like that it goes against their ideology. I really condemn the far left quietly but I fear the violence and being kicked out of events if I speak up. I hate being forced into silence. Thanks so much for this video, even though I’m pretty liberal/left and not conservative it makes me feel less alone.

[@jaysector4901]

Thank you for your post and it truly is enlightening while also tragic to see your experiences and you are very much not alone! Take a second and think about...here we are in a "counter culture" and we can not speak openly or at least have a civilized discussion about things in our scene from fear of being "cancelled" or ostracized! I know what it is like, the people who have known me for years know I am a Christian and base my worldview on it and fortunately many know and tolerate it but some don't. It is a dangerous hivemind and I think many are turned away from events because of it. Our local DJs in my city have very low numbers compared to 20 years ago but major events like The Sisters of Mercy or The Cure have packed venues because the people who love the music and don't want to deal with drama attend those events! I still love this subculture for the amazing music, attire/arts etc despite the cliquey extremists and they deserve to be ignored. I hope you find more like minded individuals and feel comfortable with them in your area and wish you all the best!

[@darknessandlife777]

I have been part of the Goth Subculture since the mid 90's, I lean left however more of a Clinton Liberal and I am openly Bisexual. Last and most important, I am a Christian. 100% agree with you. This is a music based Subculture that also incorporates fashion, Art and several other things. One thing it doesn't incorporate is politics. Except now it does, thanks to the entire thing being coopted by the Radical far left, who coopt and infect wverything they can get their hands on. I am still Goth and still live it but I have abandoned the scene completely because of the cancer.

[@jaysector4901]

@@darknessandlife777 I feel this 100%. The intolerance and hivemind of the far left mentalities has been a real detriment!!! You are a real Goth as far as I am concerned! God bless and stay strong!

[@darknessandlife777]

@jaysector4901 God Bless you as well brother!

[@davevampireknight9778]

After watching this, I gotta say, I really love the points you have made, because the woke in the Goth scene really don't see the irony of their hypocrisy. They're just sing and doing these things to gain brownie points and to seem like they have done good, but don't seem to see or think about the damages they result from their party. The more we have these folks, the more the scene will divide and likely become even more underground than ever before. Likely people outside the subculture who wanted to experience the scene will likely encounter these radical leftist folks and they'll ruin it for them, because they see that these people are nothing more but about control and that's not Goth should be at all. The more we have this go on, more and more Goths are just going to drop from the scene. I for one have contemplated several times and it would be painful to do so. We need more folks like you to speak up. I encourage it. These woke Goths need to learn their place that they cannot control how people live or view things. Free thinking means Conservatives and religious folks are welcome in too weather these weirdos like it or not. For this you just earned my subscription.

[@jaysector4901]

Many many thanks! Agreed 💯%. The unfortunate truth and I'm seeing it, hearing it, and may even post a video about it, but the scene is indeed dying. I'm seeing as well as hearing about events along the East Coast here that have smaller and smaller numbers as well as promoters/venues looking to other genres. It stinks because there are a ton of great newer bands but it is what it is! Mexico and South America have had a growing scene so I wouldn't be surprised if more festivals don't start there. The scene here lacks TRUE tolerance...which means you tolerate others even if you disagree with them.

[@davevampireknight9778]

@@jaysector4901 Precisely, it seems to me other countries are doing better with the Goth scene than America is and it's quite embarrassing. I became a lone wolf Goth because of these people.

[@davevampireknight9778]

Also also, if you have any other social media sites, I wouldn't mind talking to you about this on them.

[@jaysector4901]

@@davevampireknight9778 I don't have any other video platforms etc but there is a Conservative Goth facebook group well multiple since they consistently get zucced

[@davevampireknight9778]

@@jaysector4901 Aww oh well, but as far as the Facebook pages go, what would they be?

[@blissfulbabybatter]

As a man whose been in the culture for about 10 years now, i admit i am ashamed how much of a fare left nutcase i was in my early adult years. And i also have to thank God for sending the man I had met in college for bringing me to a reasonable stance, now I'm more along the center right it just took a few gentle swats of rolled up news papers .

[@jaysector4901]

I can understand! College can really bombard you with ideologies you end up being uncomfortable with later in life. Often times left and right want many of the same things, the difference is how one gets there and the actions they take.

[@darrenbrown7134]

Been in the scene since 1989 in the Bay Area - the most Left of all US regions. Cancel culture is destroying the scene and most of the culprits are the young ones. I've seen it before in the 1990s with PC culture, now deemed Woke. As a result everything is sterile and boring. Sad.

[@jaysector4901]

@@darrenbrown7134 💯 Unfortunately, because of them scene's die out.

[@Mrs.Jekyll]

As a catholic-christan "goth" i dont lean in the right or left wing. But however, its not just the goth community, i seen so much rise in the left wing. I end up taking the side of the right more and more. Todays society is so sensitive these days that i think i should move to an off the grid area. I miss the simpler times were everything is not about politics or social things like people getting offended over. I was looking at videos for crafting idea for alternative style, and theres so much far left people in the alternative style community hating on people for being born in pale skin and "you can't be alternative and conservative" type of talk. Its so hard to not hate the living

[@jaysector4901]

I've come to see that it is the loud folks that get the attention and it's about time to call them out on their destructive ideologies. I concur it isn't just the goth scene but in our nation...unfortunately

[@Mrs.Jekyll]

@@jaysector4901 true true, I just hope were able to make a bigger voice than them

[@jaysector4901]

@@Mrs.Jekyll same!!

[@skylesco5397]

Hi guys. My band, Tearful Moon, got canceled in 2020. Record label dropped us and everything. Many people who were our fans and friends turned on us, and have sabotaged our artistic livelihoods. I warned them that the tables will turn eventually, that great karma awaits them for their hatred and ignorance and I think the tables are just starting to turn. More and more of us need to unite, stand together, and not be afraid to speak up! Thank you for this video! ❤️

[@Kyroptra]

We had that happen to our assimilation goth event that we did out here in Oklahoma City and in Tulsa... Bunch of drama queens out there bro so we totally understand.

[@룰라-u5u]

Horrible...what happened may I ask

[@DeadlightDance]

This is a really interesting video. Jay comes across as a nice genuine guy and the argument is well laid out and very considered. I'm definitely left leaning / liberal and non-religious but I absolutely have friends with other views. Life would be boring if we were all the same. I do think the goth scene traditionally lends itself to a left way of thinking but this doesn't mean it should exclude others who hold different views. It sets a dangerous precedent if right leaning goths are threatened with physical violence for their beliefs. I think as said, the concerns are always on the extremes of any view. Globally, I am far more concerned with the rise of the extreme right but that doesn't mean that all aspects of left wing view point are not without concern. I find myself largely agreeing with the content of this video, despite being politically different.

[@jaysector4901]

I appreciate the fact that you can recognize your own worldview while understanding that of others. That is key to mutual understanding and respect and I indeed respect you for it! God bless!

[@batwytch]

and this is still relevant in 2024😭It has grown to a point that I no longer want to engage in conversations online because people are so preachy and suck the fun out of sharing music or discussing other aspects of goth lifestyle. I'm definitely more moderate and it just feels like folks have lost the ability to have rational discussion.

[@jaysector4901]

Sorry about your experiences and I certainly have as well. I tend to leave it be, but it is disheartening to see people tear one another to pieces for their opinions. Music is at the heart of Goth and hopefully it returns to that!

[@Mean_Jean]

It does have a big problem. Also the 'look' is being borrowed by most of them

[@jaysector4901]

100%!

[@noonesishome]

It's almost hilarious how they stole our look cause it makes them counter culture to Christians, when they are now the popular culture and Christians are the counter culture now.

[@MeInYshua7]

you got that right!!!!

[@jaysector4901]

Thanks! 👍it does need to be called out for the betterment of our scene

[@MeInYshua7]

@@jaysector4901 my son says you are a friend of his and he sent me your link. First of all I am very proud of my son and the things he stands for. My prayers are with you as you deal with the left. The sad part they say you must except them but they don’t have to except you. Every one of us has been given a life to live as we choose. It is a shame others feel they have a right to choose our choices. Keep up your good work and God bless you in all you do. Remember this my Grandfather once told me “sometimes the truth hurts, and some people don’t want to face it” The left is really messed in their thinking and can not see nor want to see the truth. They have lost the knowledge of how to think for themselves and seek the truth whether it agrees with how they feel or not. The truth is the truth whether it’s in our favor or not it is what it is the truth. The one thing I enjoy the most with my son is that if we don’t agree we share what we know and we both seek the truth and there are time he is right. I pray he keeps to his dream, people need good teachers who helps people seek the truth. He wants to be a lawyer and a Orthodox Priest, he is a Victorian Goth, to me how awesome that is. People judge Goth without even knowing them. The way he dresses, I just love it! Be you, be who God called you to be. Hold Fast in the truth.

[@jaysector4901]

@@MeInYshua7 amen and thank you kindly! 100% true. The truth does hurt and people need to listen instead of dismissing. History shows far left ideologies have harmed people. Only when Christ returns will we see a perfect government. Until then we can try our best.

[@MeInYshua7]

@@jaysector4901 Amen 🙏🏼

[@S_Z55555]

I feel that extreme "liberals" tend to think of one definition of "conservatism" and that is the conservatism that comes from the views of the old left. that conservatism doesn't accept things that are "different" or "socially new" and that can be true for a lot of conservatives BUT not all of them are like that. for a fact beacuse they concider themselvs "goth" which can not be hardcore conservatism in terms of facisim. there are conservatives who tend to right-wing politics because they believe in religious conservatism or political order, not because they hate gays or because they are racist or whatever. With that being said. I'm not sure what I am. I lean towards conservative views as an observant Jew but believe in some liberal social views but I mostly lean towards conservatism. I think it doesn't matter. Goth is not political as a whole. Some goths are liberal and some are conservative. I'm fine with that. And if you consider yourselves "liberals" don't tell other people which party to vote for because Gothic culture does not belong to "liberals" it belongs to those who love music and fashion and believe in individuality and self-expression.

[@jaysector4901]

Fascism is not technically conservative. What it truly is, is a subset of totalitarianism but based on a racial religion essentially. It used socialistic components in Germany to carry its authoritarian statutes and undid traditions. True conservatism is about preservation of traditions and of the past. American conservatism is about Judeo-Christian values, family structure, property, self determination etc. At this point, being Goth is not a big deal to current conservatives who adhere more to populist ideologues. It isn't 1983 anymore and this day and age, tattooed punk and goth looking individuals are all in the conservative movement and it is no big deal. People are judged by their views more than appearance. The left wing has started to leave true liberal views behind and began embracing further left ideologues that are more authoritarian. Left leaning folks in the Goth scene have grown more intolerant for those who view the world differently than they and they are pushing people away rather than drawing them in.

[@S_Z55555]

@@jaysector4901 Yes, I agree. You said the right things. I think the "liberals" like to associate conservatism with fascism and racism and anti-LGBTQ and that's why I mentioned it. I come from a Jewish religion so I guess I know what conservatism is more or less. Conservatism believes in family and religious values. I will never understand why this is considered bad. They want extreme liberalism without any values ​​and for me that has no limits. That is why conservative views are good because those who believe there is someone above them understand that a person in the world has limits.

[@jaysector4901]

@@S_Z55555 exactly it! Faith and family are important and should be in the nation!

[@chemicaldesert4563]

For me politics is a personal matter I try not to talk about. Same with religion. It's just too much and people take it too far

[@jaysector4901]

Agreed! Goth should be all about the music!

[@capt_toad7890]

Congrats on 100 subscribers!

[@jaysector4901]

Thanks!!

[@untitled_firstdraft7726]

I’m pretty young, also a Christian goth/alternative person. I’m unsure if the local scene in my area is super left-leaning. Honestly, it’s likely, because my country is conservative and a lot of alternative people here tend to be the opposite. I’ve actively avoided engaging with them due to how polarised everything is these days. Even in my daily life, I can’t say something even remotely critical about the LGBT community lest I piss off everyone around me, so why would my local alternative scene (which is pretty left-leaning anyway) be any less different? So I’ve been listening to the music by myself and discovering so many new bands thanks to the Internet (there’s some amazing post-punk out there). I don’t know if that still makes me goth, but nothing stops me from liking the music and finding alternative Christian bands. Glad I’ve discovered your channel. Nice to know there are other people like me and I’m not alone. You’ve just earned a sub 🖤

[@jaysector4901]

It isn't much different here in the USA, as I explain in my video, the majority of Goths/alternative folks lean leftward and especially have more liberal/left-wing social views/cultural views. When I first got into the goth/industrial scene your sexuality wasn't relevant and the music was all that mattered. The LGBT community is essentially its own subculture based on human sexuality so some may be Goth but it is supposed to be all about the music. Unfortunately there has been a growing hatred against Christians because of the LGBT community being hateful against them. True tolerance, however, is tolerating not agreeing with someone's views. There are some great Christian bands: Savior Machine, The Awakening, Leper, Dark Valentine, and Batzz in the Belfry.

[@Armchairscholor]

I belive that i can be a real witness. Im really wanting to move forward with doing a Twitch channel to promote the scene djing and be a light to unbelievers. ill keep you posted. i want to do a worship night for the alternative scene.

[@jaysector4901]

That is awesome! Please do and feel free to post a link!

[@thefluffyaj4119]

i can understand why many goths think politics are important, because hoth was born from punk, whose beliefs whete very important to them! i think the beliefs are an important part of being goth but i just think said beliefs should just be a focus on equality, treating peopke well, and its good to have a focus on environmentalism and trying to avoid supporting big corporations whete you can, such as making your own clothes and thrifting (but its not a sin to shop at walmart lmao). thats what i personally believe, that most of the goth communities values are more left leaning, but i know sone people take it too far edit: to be clear, i dont wanna attack people who call themselves conservative goth. i personally dont think a goth can be consevative due to the original movement being the opposite of conservative, but i wont attack you for it, ill just disagree in my head. ill just consider you more like a mall goth tmwho enjoys the music

[@jaysector4901]

Greetings and thank you for your response and respectful nature in regard to your disagreement with my statements. I think it is important to have respectful dialogue and have open communication in our scene. With that in mind, Goth did indeed come from punk followed by post-punk but I humbly disagree with punk being a certain ideologue. Believe it or not...the first bands were not really that political! Think about it! You had Bowie and Iggy and the New York Dolls as your proto-punk bands but then you had the Ramones who really didn't touch on politics on their debut and focused on storytelling, relationships, horror movies etc. There are exceptions: "Havana Affair" which is actually an anti-communist track about Cuba and how the authoritarian regime took from citizens (Johnny Ramone was a conservative and it caused disagreements between him and Joey) and then there is the "Today your love, tomorrow the world" which is telling the story of German indoctrination to the youth during WWII. It looks at the human aspects of that type of brainwashing etc. Mind you both Conservatives and Liberals condemn totalitarianism. Then you have in England The Damned whose debut "Damned Damned Damned" (credited as the first UK punk album) is not strongly political. Even the Sex Pistols were more or less making songs like "God Save the Queen" and "Anarchy in the UK" to stir up controversy rather than stand grounded to certain politics (Johnny Rotten has even been vocal in recent years about the left). Interestingly enough the Sex Pistol's track "Bodies" has been interpreted as anti-abortion. I bring all this up because I have been told the same statement multiple times about how Goth, being connected to punk has to share similar political views. Really....it was The Clash that were overtly political and they came after the Sex Pistols and The Damned. In a way those bands were like the gangster rappers of the 1990s...they talked about the streets and real life without overt political leanings that would really define bands like The Exploited, Dead Kennedys, and after. Mind you DK and the Exploited started in 1978 the same year Siouxsie and the Banshees released "The Scream" which really was a cool hybrid of punk and post-punk and was groundbreaking in that regard. Bauhaus of course was around but released "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 which was the defining track for Goth and obviously by its lyrics sang about horror topics/gothic topics which is no surprise because The Ramones sang about horror movies and The Misfits also sang about horror topics. The Cure had their start around then as well as Joy Division. By 1980 you had a gauntlet of bands and albums in the Goth genre which continued after. Christian Death sang about religious themes and humanity. With all this I bring it up because Goth really isn't political. Sure many of Goths in the subculture may lean more classically liberal and especially in cultural regards but there are plenty of us that are of faith and more conservative leanings. Remember conservative can be political, economic, as well as cultural. In current conservative circles the culture supports small businesses, is anti-big corporation, and pushes for limited government and is anti-war. Many goths right and left tend to agree in those regards. We all recognize that we dress differently but may have different family values at home. Mall Goth is more or less a description to alternative youth in the 90s and early 00s that like Hot Topic and listened to Nu-metal like Korn, Slipknot etc. I was that LOL but I grew into a traditional Goth and love the same music as Goths do...we just may differ on political/cultural ideologues. All the best! God Bless!

[@NatjaKristy]

I was active in the scene from the early 90s through to about 2008. Since then I have not been involved in the goth culture. I did attend the House Of Usher reunion more than a decade ago. That was the last time I went to a club, so I cannot attest as to the way the scene is now, anywhere. But I will say this. Most of the darkwave culture were very open-minded and seemed more right than left. Today most of those people I knew from the scene are all Trump haters. All of them. And they are very hardcore about believing whatever they hear about Covid 19. I lost various of those friends for being a member of Generation Identity, and several more when I had to end my lifetime relationship with the Democrats and began to support Trump. I did not like Trump but I supported him anyway. I am not Dem Or Rep. I am all about what is best for the greater good as opposed to what is not. About what is reasonable as opposed to what is not. what is illogical as opposed to what is not. What is most fair as opposed to what is not. having said all this I agree with all of your statements.I will not apologize to anyone because I am GenID. I am not a racist. And I am deeply offended by anyone who labels me that way. I simply do not want to see my homeland destroyed.

[@jaysector4901]

Agreed! I love the goth subculture and will always love the music. It is just unfortunate that it has been hijacked by a fringe minority of aggressive virtue signaling extreme leftists whose views are dangerous and destructive to what we not only hold dear in our scene but, to the world!

[@Pogokoala]

Should be straight out Republican well more than that a patriot. Democrats? Yuck! Kidding but be a patriot that always been for the greater good because the democratic party always lead towards socialism from socialism go communism and so on. Libersl/Democrat all seem bad news or doom to believe anything thrown at them. Good example this reality. How did the far left that you hate or dislike became this way? By being liberal or democratic. You see a band their left you see a movie the agenda is lefty you see the actor behind it their promote left, you see sport now being left. Is all part of a plan to make you into a baby left then to an "individual left" to end up being a useful idiot antifa left. By then is too late. Do what they do unfortunately cut ties

[@jonofarc443]

Back when I was still a Lutheran, I had an experience that totally blew my mind. This was probably 2007 or so. There was a young lady, clearly goth, who came into church dressed in a long black dress, black platform shoes, black lace fingerless gloves, had on black nail polish and lipstick, and was wearing a black veil. She was sitting in the pew sincerely praying, but the teen girls in the back (dressed very immodestly might I add) were snickering and making fun of her the whole service. This goth woman was dressed better than them, and had a more reverent attitude to boot! I walked away with a lot of respect for that lady.

[@jaysector4901]

@@jonofarc443 fools look outward, God looks inward at our hearts! God bless you and thank you for sharing!

[@jonofarc443]

@@jaysector4901 no problem! God bless you too!

[@IllusionaryUsername]

"If you want to be one the non-conformists, all you have to do is dress just like us & listen to the same music we do." -One of the gothic kids in South Park.

[@jaysector4901]

For some reason KZbin isn't letting me see all the comments even though I am getting notifications for them! So with that being said there are Conservative and Christian goth pages out there through social media! Feel free to check them out!

[@GothicRose.]

I know this is a very late comment. But can you post those please?

[@jaysector4901]

@@GothicRose. if you simply look up on Facebook Conservative Goth etc you'll find them

[@GothicRose.]

@@jaysector4901 awesome!

[@thegremlin3194]

I have seen far right Goths in Germany . Youth culture always starts with left wing leanings until they start buying and owning property then opinion usually becomes more right wing

[@jaysector4901]

I think the issue with Germany is that they need a healthy traditional conservative group. We have that in the US. The extremes are never constructive.

[@jjspade81]

I couldn't agree more. It's the same in Michigan as well.

[@jaysector4901]

Sorry to hear that but I am glad there are free thinkers like yourself that break the cliche!

[@jjspade81]

@jaysector4901 thank you 😊

[@user-kk2pc7ik7t]

Cemetery confessions did a podcast episode on goth and politics. I post if I find any

[@jaysector4901]

Cool! I hope it was a constructive episode!

[@user-kk2pc7ik7t]

@@jaysector4901 I myself come from a very political family, so, I am a bit into some issues, such as LGBTQ - issues and anti - racism. But it has its ups and downs how often

[@jaysector4901]

@@user-kk2pc7ik7t my politics are defined by my Christian faith first and foremost. Human sexuality has become its own subculture. I personally see things like race and sexuality as temporary since in heaven we will have new bodies and be devoid of sexuality in an immortal form but that is just me. The main issue in the Goth scene is that it is intolerant...unless you subscribe to a certain worldview you are ostracized and the scene that I grew up in that loved the music no matter who you were or what your beliefs were. It is one of the reasons this scene is dying in the United States...people do not want to waste their time attending small local dance club events with cliques, drama, and intolerance. Additionally you have smaller younger bands being forced to believe a certain way and no one attends their shows because they would much rather go see a legacy act that doesn't care about the petty little things.

[@christianconservativespeci5525]

God bless you bruh

[@velvetbruise]

You nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jaysector4901]

Thank you!!

[@velvetbruise]

@@jaysector4901 you're welcome...

[@sambersr.1217]

Hi ! I hope you can see my comment... I've always been kinda liberal, but I must say these days, I'm lost in all this polarization. Society has lost its sense of nuance. It's all black or white, no grey zone. People are enraged about everything, anything. Like narcissists who only seek their own reflexion, or yet children who are not mature enough to understand that opposite points of view are not direct attacks to them or their identity. People nowadays are too shallow, they can't separate ideologies/opinions from their own life essence/personality/soul. They don't understand that any of that can't never threaten their importance or their survival. When motivation in life is external, you lose the inner strenght to accept any difference from other people. Ironically, our subculture was about self expression and being accepting of other's difference. Now, it's all about fitting in the mold. I'm almost 50 and I don't know yet how to live with that. I've always liked colorful hair, but I refrain to dye my hair the dark blue color I would like so much, in fear of being confused with extremists. What a world we are living in...

[@jaysector4901]

I did! So thank you for commenting! I agree with you! I do think it is important to have one's views on an individual level (I am a Christian) but that doesn't define all Goths...we all share a passion for the music which is what binds us. We all can have different views and beliefs though! I believe you should still be able to dress how you want and have your hair the way you want and shouldn't be judged for it. If people ask you should be able to share your views and not be shamed for it. God bless you!

[@foosdontcry]

I missed when Goths actually knew basic biology Edit: I'm subscribed to lots of conservative channels and love goth music so discovering this channel was like meant to be haha

[@jaysector4901]

Agreed! Glad you found it!!

[@GothicRose.]

Tell us who you're subscribed to? I must now. We should start a hashtag that goes "make goths great again"

[@xbfdx988]

Your point about anarchists is kind of dumb as they envision a society where there still is infrastructure and order. See how things were done in the brief time in catalonia when anarchists had a strong hold of in Chiapas Mexico

[@jaysector4901]

@@xbfdx988 then that was not pure anarchy which, in my humble opinion, is foolish. Humanity is unfortunately cruel and sinful, therefore a society devoid of systems and infrastructure is vulnerable.

[@xbfdx988]

@@jaysector4901 anarchists don't advocate societies without systems is infrastructure. They advocate systems without hierarchies and rulers

[@solonfuller7478]

awww-I WONDER if cruel WITCH CRAFT got sumthin to do w this DEVIL---courtney fuller writing -so go get yur cruel revenge on me