The Grate Debate: The Story of P.T.

All work and no baby makes Lisa a spooky ghost. In this episode, VoidBurger and Bob unravel P.T.'s intricacies. Be sure to submit your questions for an upcoming podcast about the symbolism of P.T.!
Special thanks to @ChronoDuck13 ( / chronoduck13 ) for helping create the 3D model of P.T.'s walkway!
Source #1: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familicide
Source #2: ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/23041...
Source #3: www.bbc.com/news/magazine-2491...
Source #4: www.salon.com/1999/09/16/numbe...
Source #5: archive.org/details/ird059
Source #6: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight
Source #7: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%ABrei
Source #8: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubume
Source #9: www.silenthillmemories.net/sil...
Source #10: www.silenthillmemories.net/sil...
Source #11: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_...
Source #12: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_...
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[@ShiivGaming]

Konami is the greatest antagonist of the Silent Hill series

[@SergiMedina]

Sam Shiiv *Totally* agree, dude...

[@ShiivGaming]

And ta-da! They've nailed the coffin shut! RIP Silent Hills

[@NC17Productions]

Sam Shiiv Konami can go fuck itself with a metal rod. I'll never forgive them for cancelling Silent Hills. Never.

[@NC17Productions]

OverlordViciousKiwi Yes it is.

[@havelthesnacc8753]

All I hope is that someone buys it off and continues to make it amazing instead of changing anything.

[@dasuberpanda]

P.T. might be one of the biggest losses in video game creation history. "but guess what, i will be coming back, and i will be bringing my new toys with me" I sure hope so

[@lennywendigo5725]

"new toys" /╲/\╭( ͡° ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ͡°)╮/\╱\

[@Sir_Saki]

+dasuberpanda WIth Kojima and Del Toro talking again it could be very possible but no gurantees as of yet.

[@hellfrost333]

Is it possible that the two murders are linked ~I mean could the Father of the 2nd murder be the Store Manager who had an affair with Lisa? It's possible he was feeling guilty and upon realizing she was pregnant he'd be in a complex situation emotionally: He could of went home and killed his family b4 offing himself with the Gardening Hose & the whole Umbilical Cord thing could just be referencing his ties to the fetus in the bathroom.... Which would also explain why the Fetus isn't sure if you're his father if you catch my drift..... Idk I'm super tired right now I got to look at the dates and go through this / but just tossing it out there if anyone ells want's to look into it as well

[@hellfrost333]

***** Yeah a bad theory since Hideo Kojima left & Konami still owns the rights of the game. Konami may try to make the game without Kojima, but it would most likely be a flop... And it's not likely to be anything like the Silent Hills we would of got with Kojima working on the project.

[@michaelbiland5575]

Yep. Death Stranding, Kojima's upcoming PS4 exclusive confirmed.

[@DrakenGuardz]

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, LISA!

[@justsomegirlwithahat333]

-OH HI MARK

[@thelaw6941]

I DID NOT HIT HER! I DID NOT!

[@spencerbailey8354]

Traps Aren't Gay Oh hi Mark

[@dankestmemes9843]

Weeb Lord these two comments are so perfect in context

[@biketyson691]

Cheap cheap cheap cheap...

[@GEhotpants101]

Things I have noticed about P.T. that no one else seems to be saying: 1.) Lisa has dimples. (Which pretty much proves that she's the woman in the pictures to me at least.) 2.) When you stand still, your character sort of sways and lurches a little bit, almost like he's drunk. 3.) There are 3,000 dash marks in the concrete room. (There are 75 rows that go 8 down, and of course dashes are grouped in 5, that I counted. Feel free to double check that on your own.) If the dashes represents days, that's a bit over 8 years.

[@thefootballpunnedit]

You went deep in the paint. Go you brave fucker. This shit was too scary to stay there for extras.

[@stuudude6023]

GEhotpants101 he’s drunk thats why isn’t he screaming like a maniac. But why would she come back?

[@tonypeppermint5329]

@@stuudude6023 I believe for torture.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Holy shit, you did a lot of work noticing those small details.

[@bigmidget117]

Noticed this exact thing today playing PT for my first time. You also hear the breathing voice over the phone/radio at times when you stand still. You also can hear strange sounds that sound like they're being "shut down" like a computer or TV set in the middle of speaking. Also the Talking bag, and the fetus talking in the same voice. I also heard a bit of Latin, or Hebrew on the radios, phone, and when the games sequences trigger. This playable teaser is way more than what it is on the surface.

[@mylesgoldman9219]

I just wanted this game so badly. It looked perfect.

[@ooTina00]

Myles Goldman it did

[@JoesGuy]

Hardly. It looked like just about every other haunted house walking sim horror game to come out after Amnesia ruined survival horror for being the only good game of that variety.

[@eyesinthesky4731]

JoesGuy P.T. Was before any of the horror games. Those games you speak of were inspired, but none of them (not even Outlast) can compare to Silent Hills.

[@aaronlao572]

this joe guy is the typical hater in the comment section , he doesnt even know what he's saying lol

[@erikvelasco7718]

lmao this nigga joesguy talking shit about things he doesnt even know lol

[@Calex55KH]

I really appreciate the lack of jumps and intentional creepiness. Definitely made this easier for me to watch.

[@Calex55KH]

Insanely Sick Yet you're the one who's too scared to show his face on his profile pic while "insulting" someone on the internet. Huh, weird.

[@Calex55KH]

[@theatomicbonbon3717]

+Calex55KH I concur

[@noushmak]

i agree so much

[@SKYHAMMERGAMES]

I couldn't agree more with you.

[@medinarosemary1261]

anyone noticed that wedding picture changed when the "gouge it out" text appeared? the husband suddenly had his thumbs up.

[@stuudude6023]

Medina Rosemary yeah

[@stuudude6023]

Medina Rosemary well if you look closely in the first loop at that picture you can see there’s black ink on the left side of his suit. Possibly covering the thumb

[@alialmuhanna4938]

Well, I read somewhere that the message at the end of PT is possibly a hint from Hideo Kojima that he's getting fired by Konami “… one day he goes and kills us all. He couldn't even be original about the way he did it. But that's ok, I was dying of boredom anyway. But guess what, I will be coming back. And I'm bringing my new toys with me.” Given Kojima’s situation, Konami fired him, he was bored with the work anyway, and he plans on coming back with a new publisher and new ideas. That's the theory anyway.

[@charliechan6892]

They fired him for I believe asking too much money for this project. many believe the ending referred to making fun of first person horror games and how popular and overdone they've become, which kojima wanted to bring something new to the table. others believe it's just about story, but it is kojima so you never know.

[@Stewie1239]

+Dev n Altough I didn't follow the whole procedure, but as I recall Kojima not only had budget issues with konami but other legal issues as well. Also some magazines said that he even had personal arguements with konamis men. However, the quote could be about Kojima himself, because Silent Hills' story is still in his and in Del Toro's head, which is not copyrighted by konami, unlike the title 'Silent Hill'. (Note: I'm no lawyer, and I don't have a single clue ho this shit works, but the title Silent Hills might be "uaseable" for Kojima later on, since konami only owns the singular title version.) People have faith in Kojima, konami was stupid letting him go, sadly they only wanted to focus on slot machines, because the majority of their income was from these machines. So eventhough Kojima is not employed at a publisher, it doesn't mean he can't creat and publish stuff. Hell I would just read the story of Silent Hills if he and Del Toro writes in the form of a book.

[@Bashyd]

+John Doe i was thinking the same thing !!!

[@ericfrett820]

+Dev n they didn't fire him. his contract is ending soon(unoriginal isn't that how some comapnies let people go?) and the fox engine is new he finished it recently(my new toys with me...) interesting point bro. "Dad" could symbolicly meant they helped him grow into the Dev. It is a parents role to make sure they can thrive... there's a dual meaning there though how did it relate to silent hills? I just hope Hideo and Konami isn't screwing with us about this.

[@ericfrett820]

+Eric Frett btw the fox engine IS a hideo creation... look up hideo kojima.

[@Midorikonokami]

all this in a preview game.. what a great thing the complete game would have been...

[@maskedkitty7350]

Midorikonokami i know right? it could’ve been the literally best game konami ever made, but something tells me they knew that so they couldn’t let it happen, sucks a ton, even more since i was really excited for this as a concept, it seemed downright interesting, there’s plenty of mystery in the demo alone, you can only imagine what kinda mystery could’ve come from the full product if it was made, in fact i was saving towards a ps4 after i found out about this game, but before i had enough for it the game got canceled, plenty of other games did make me get a ps4 in the long run however i would’ve killed to get this game to be real, the world is a sadder place for not having such an amazing sounding game and concept, maybe it’ll be brought back somehow, but i kinda doubt it, the only hope is death stranding will be good enough to fill the void of silent hill that konami killed.

[@TheSubieFan]

Here is my theory. He knew his game was going to be cancelled so he made it as such so that it would be memorable. I don't think he could of done this for a whole game.

[@Lyrog]

For some reason I find it very funny how they talk about the paper bag so seriously and with respect, like a talking paper bag is the most normal thing in the world :'D

[@cristiangambadori220]

why, isn't it?

[@Ghost7065]

Cristian Gambadori yes. The bag onsciously has a powerful personification.

[@krutch5228]

Sometimes I look at a paperbag and I wonder how so much beauty can exist in this world. Sometimes it's so much beauty... I just can't take it.

[@kisslordorochimaru]

Krutch Peter Griffin lol

[@fdantasn]

paper bags got problems too, we are just like you, except we are paperbags

[@o0Avalon0o]

It's been _years,_ & yet, just listening to this videos clips of P.T. brought on this uneasiness... This need to look over my shoulder. A silent, creeping anxiety that travels down the spine; Such a good freaking game

[@Channel-gy9hr]

o0Avalon0o why the fuck am I watching this 3 years after it was uploaded

[@the.seagull.35]

Why am I watching this right before bed

[@THEBADASSEMO360]

lol me too! I fucked up 😂😂😂

[@core5160]

+Sexy Biscuits Bruh dammit I did the same thing

[@alapalacasual]

It's 12:06 am for me. I'm taking breaks in between going full screen just because of how I know P.T. is and what I've seen happens. The knowledge of the scariness alone is enough to freak me out into going into the comments.

[@mattd3978]

Danny Dolan Brah, I'm watching this in the middle of the day by myself and I'm still messed up

[@sonicroachdoggjrraven3263]

Same here

[@randomuser1105]

Those wedding pictures are clearly from the late 60s or early 70s. The hairstyles and the fact that they're in black and white are a dead giveaway. Also, at 26:28 the voice on the radio mentions their dad being "such a drag", which is slang from the 60s and 70s.

[@owenwexler7214]

It looks a lot like 80s fashion to me, which in some areas of the country mirrored 60s and 70s fashion, since society didn't move as quickly and wasn't as homogenous back then as it is now with the Internet, social media, and instant everything.

[@YordleQueen]

Something interesting that I'm sure people have heard of by now but I just recently noticed, is that the guy on the radio says the eerily specific detail in which the father lured his daughter out of the bathroom by telling her it was just a game... Which suggests that the man from the radio is the father/killer in that case. I mean unless the house had audio/video tape evidence of this situation going down, there's no way anyone could know what he said to his daughter unless he was the one who did it himself. ...Then again the father could have just confessed that detail too... Ah well, still interesting.

[@real6392]

+Phoebe J never thought of that, lol xD

[@Arp1033]

+Phoebe J Seems to me that he would have confessed to the cops after he killed them; if he was regretful about what he did it is likely he would want to confess how he killed them to anyone who would listen out of hysterical remorse.

[@smb0621]

I thought the father hung himself with a gardening hose though? Or was that in relation to a different familicide case the radio host was recounting?

[@Arp1033]

smb0621 that was a different familicide I think?

[@YordleQueen]

Joseph Uglick makes sense makes sense.

[@snakesrdead]

RIP, Silent Hills. We can only hope Kojima Productions can carry it through with a different name and story.

[@britney2206]

Like...Death Stranding >:o

[@SinderSoyl]

Unfortunately no, Kojima has said that Death Stranding will be an action game... So unless he does one of his usual stunts where he just lies about everything right from the start, I think we can't expect a "Silent Hills" until after Death Stranding comes out. And who knows? Maybe until then Konami will have gone bankrupt and/or Sony will be able to buy the Silent Hill franchise from them for Kojima to work on.

[@snakesrdead]

Soyl I think Death Stranding is to show what his new team can do, and I think he will return to horror at some point

[@thegrizzlyartist5014]

Is not good enough.

[@jerrygodeep4787]

@@SinderSoyl action game huh

[@infamousdrifter1]

This is going to sound like a dumb idea but Norman looks nothing like the husband so what if silent hills isn't about your character learning a lesson but rather the character is trying to escape silent hill and every monster you encounter has a backstory. For example: Lisa is just a monster that captures you and tortures you because she thinks you're her husband who killed her. Throughout the game you encounter dozens of monsters that you can learn the backstory to by exploring silent hill. each monster looks and acts different and each monster has different puzzles. It's a dumb idea but it would explain why Norman looks nothing like the husband and why the game is called Silent Hills. Rather than one person experiencing silent hill, they have to experience dozens of silent hills because of the monsters.

[@brendanj3819]

Exactly! That's almost precisely my theory of what Silent Hills will be about, given the themes presented in PT. Since we're clearly playing as Norman's character, "the protagonist," and not some crazy guy who killed his family, it would mean he's experiencing someone else's Hell/Silent Hill. I think it would make for a very interesting game to have each major area carry its own backstory as the protagonist navigates a different hell.

[@WorldsFattestRobot]

That would be very strange; the idea reminds me of boss-centric games like old Treasure games and SOTC (or even LISA, where each enemy encounter uses at least one unique character). It would be a game where essentially each of the enemies is an antagonist, with their own character and surrounding portion of the story, rather than a type of enemy. I would be very interested if a story-centric horror game tried for that. I mean, I guess Outlast had a lot of different and recurring antagonists, but they were more like bosses you evaded/killed at the peaks of their levels (rather than something that heavily affected the overall plot, and changed the structure of that portion of the game.) And, Outlast still had a few generic patients to run/hide from, in between the boss-chases.

[@gioscage5590]

I think dead ppl ghost is actually a fucking demon just trayna fuck everything in the house

[@juancgonzalez2102]

That sounds pretty great

[@phd-doom2100]

It’s kinda like James in sh2 when he would go into other peoples nightmare and seeing their monsters

[@ouroboros5656]

Wait guys I figured it all out. Norman Reedus Norman Fetus

[@gladiatormarcellus2078]

Yes sir this comment right here

[@PapaSage]

Did you see the new gameplay? We can use his Norman Peedus

[@ahmeryaa865]

ouroboros Norman reedus and the funky fetus

[@tetsusiega2]

No mans fetus

[@zaba9450]

look were we are 2019 with death strading

[@adisillusioneddork618]

"The repeating hallway, when mapped out connected to itself is actually making the player subtlety descend in a SPIRAL PATTERN." *Slow but loud applause* Junji Ito... Well played you sneaky, clever, sneaky, fucked up genius!

[@dogwadhur9221]

yeah that fucked me up tbh

[@deathmetalalchemist2731]

Japanese men be fucked up

[@dailydose8492]

.

[@RTS-wg7ut]

UZUMAKIIIIIIIIII

[@PjMadnessJ]

Well, he was working on the game with them... Is it so hard to believe they could've used his early works as inspiration?

[@McBackstabber]

I'd like to hear more about the cockroaches. - They are all over the place, - The two cockroaches in the concrete room when you wake up is mating (they are stuck to each other at their behinds). - Sometimes it looks like they are possibly guiding the player through the early parts of the game. Maybe it's just a trick the designers are using to guide the players attention, like placing a cockroach at eye level by the bathroom door to draw your attention to the door. Or the cockroaches have a deeper meaning than that. - They are clearly afraid of what is inside the bathroom just before Lisa shuts the door when you peek in. They scurry out of the gap in the door, from the dark bathroom to the lit hallway.

[@skylerwhite3427]

which is opposite of roach behavior since they only come out in the dark and scurry away at sudden light

[@owenwexler7214]

I always thought it was just an atmospheric thing denoting a long-abandoned house... but good points, especially Skyler's point about the roaches' behavior being the opposite of actual roach behavior.

[@il-ma.le.]

Scurrying through theories it went pointed out that cockroaches are indicator of filth in general but of malevolent spirits in your house if you're into the thing. People who claim to have an entity called the 'Hat Man' paying them a visit recalled a sensation of filth in his presence along with the inability to move. But like the entity in itself, this may as well be only suggestion. Also, two cockroaches may be mating or may be joined like siamese brothers to indicate the 'Jeykill&Hyde' condition of the playable character, who may really be the husband in the photos at the condition he was into dying his hair at the time of the wedding, the same way brillantine was a thing at Elvis' times. And Reedus' appearance does fit well with a man who slowly lets himself die in beer.

[@IReiteThat]

I wish you'd upload more often. These are great.

[@MillywiggZ]

IReiteThat I agree, these are grate.

[@CassiePumpkins]

MillywiggZ *ba dum tiss*

[@ForceGamingYT]

As a KZbinr myself, I can tell you just from 5 minutes of watching that the amount of editing and work that goes into a video like this is insane.

[@lasarousi]

great content takes time.

[@DannyBoy...]

MillywiggZ Well, thats debatable. ;)

[@MichaelStrawn_I_am]

Eight years, wow.

[@SirSolidus5nake]

When I initially heard the belt buckle and zip undo, it made me think that a rape is taking place of some sorts. What if, with Lisa working as a cashier and how her boss likes how she looks in a skirt, he made an advance too far and got her pregnant. Her husband who hears voices in his head, knows of Lisa’s boss and his advances, she falls pregnant and he fears an affair has taken place. The voice convinces the husband to kill Lisa and their kids. Killing anyone is bad enough, even if an affair has taken place. But what if Lisa was a victim of rape, her husband couldn’t see past that and killed her anyway. If spirits exist (and I believe they do), you’d be pissed if you got murdered. But image how pissed (in this case Lisa) you’d be if you got raped, fell pregnant and you got killed by the man you love as a result? Lisa was tormented before death and following being a victim of rape and then murder (not to mention the loss of your children), she would make for one hell of a tormented soul.

[@xObviously]

***** I couldn't agree more with you. I thought the exact same thing.

[@DrJones20]

+Solidus 5nake You gotta play my Silent Hills level in LBP3 based on this game! 7000 plays and top ratings. Search for Silent Hills and pick the one with 786 hearts and a picture of Norman Reedus.

[@SirSolidus5nake]

I'd love too, but unfortunately I don't own LB3.

[@akkalat85]

Christ that ghost is scary.

[@FemCollective]

Actually, I'd say that, in the beginning report, the reporter is not a regular person. There's always one line that makes me double-take because there's no way anyone (alive) would have this knowledge. Specifically, the part about the dad luring his daughter out of the bathroom by telling her it was a game. Logically, there's absolutely no way for the police to know that. There's no way for the police to know she fled to the bathroom either. If she left the bathroom willingly, it just looks like the dad walked by the bathroom, saw her in there, and shot her. The only people who would know that he lured her out would be...the dad and the daughter. (And, I guess, Lisa and her son--if they were somehow still alive and able to listen to all that happening.) So, I'd guess that even this reporter voice is also intended to mess and unnerve the player.

[@bobvids]

FemCollective true, but remember that the father is still alive at the end of the radio broadcast. "Police arriving on-scene after neighbors called 911 found the father in his car, listening to the radio." because of the note from the father above the loop door expressing regret with what he did ("Forgive me, Lisa. There's a monster inside of me"), it's entirely possible the father came clean with police investigators and told them what happened. it may be the case that the 'strange spell' he was under was released after he committed the murders, but remembers all of the events and regrets them.

[@FemCollective]

True! I didn't think of the father telling everything, but the wording of the beginning of the radio report ("We regret to report the murder...") implies that this is breaking news. And if it's breaking news, it makes the explicit detail of the report even more strange, since such detail is rarely available (especially if this was X amount of years in the past).

[@WorldsFattestRobot]

I think the first radio broadcast is one closest to "reality" (the original broadcast about the murder), but still distorted by the fact that the protagonist is hearing it in this loop, this construct from another level of existence. It's actually one of the creepiest parts of PT; the idea of spirits and demons talking through something we communicate with. It's very corny and seance-y sounding, but PT presents it very well (in both the writing of the game, and the way it plays out in the game). There is something very sinister about the idea of a public broadcast suddenly addressing you specifically, going insanely off-script, or encouraging terrible acts. It both suggests hallucinations and, as the video says, that the world of the dead is leaking into this hallway-loop. That it may be leaking into reality and influencing the men mentioned in the broadcasts to kill their beloved.

[@GEhotpants101]

FemCollective He could have told the police that, since they found him out in the car. (I might be mixing up my murders since there were a couple, though.) Although, I'm not sure why they'd release that to the press, since in the context of the broadcast, it seems like they're talking about it like it's at least recent, and most likely a case for it would still be going on, and they wouldn't release the full report with information like that until _after_ the case is closed. Judging by how they talk about it in the broadcast, it's probably not closed yet. This supports your idea, actually, even though the police _could_ have gotten that information. I think that voice is the one that's trying to get you to trust it the most by sounding as close to reality as possible.

[@safe-keeper1042]

Loved that they felt that "midnight starts a new day" needed an encyclopedia reference :p

[@dj_yaoi]

another thing about the yurei: they wear the kimono with the left side on top meaning its a burial kimono

[@thecopycater1]

makoot tachiboot

[@sneepsnorp3801]

Ever since P.T came out, I’ve figured out one thing That it’s impossible to recreate the looping hallway in a perfect way, I’ve seen so many indie games try to do it and all they fail

[@skylerwhite3427]

im not educated in this field but it might be because theyre trying to do everything with one hallway layout, repeating itself, while PT has been revealed to use two identical hallways which alternate on each loop

[@Katia_Managan]

Konami built so much hype around this game. SO much theorizing, speculation; they had the internet by the balls on this one. And what do they do? How do they handle the unprecedented hype? "Duur de duur, let's cancel the whole GOD DAMN THING." #FucKonami

[@hemangchauhan2864]

more than 3 years on, and this is one of the most fascinating piece of gaming video produced on YT

[@igniii3348]

Kojima literally made a game about his departure from Konami disguised as a silent hill teaser, well done

[@Lisa-pn3fm]

too bad we'll never know the real story because they CANCELLED IT!

[@tzuyd]

Lisa Lucente I knew it was a shame when that was announced because this Teaser was clearly well crafted and it implied that the final game would be at least somewhat well crafted as a result, which is a step up from many of the recent Silent Hill games. But after watching this video and learning the amount of depth that went into nearly every aspect of it, the cancellation comes as a crying shame and the outright murder of art. An art foetus ripped from its mothers womb before birth, tossed into a sink and haunting us forever more.

[@LordPunch7]

I really like the idea of the radio knowing more than it is letting on, being there to help you, or being there to hinder you. Feels like a proper extension of the role of the radio in previous Silent Hill games.

[@AlbertusSalvatierra]

- I’m a little confused on the entire radio part. From what they said in the video, which is just speculation, some sort of otherworldly force is broadcasting a message to people throughout the world, and in doing this, causing those people to go into a homicidal rage- in attempts to merge dimensions?

[@doger944]

I think the writing on Lisa's picture is meant to imply that the ghost Lisa is really just Silent Hill, and the real Lisa has already forgiven her husband and wants him to escape his torment, calling out to him to help him escape. I think the Norman Reedus character might be trapped in Silent Hill, going through other people's trauma rather than his own, and that the real husband of Lisa has already completed his trial and escaped.

[@kzzbtt]

26/04/15 Goodbye Silent Hills you will be missed dearly

[@karazor-el967]

What if this was never intended to be a game? What if this is Kojama saying goodbye? Giving his fans a message and giving a glimps in to his future projects?

[@kintinii1099]

That's what most people think.

[@_stalker_43]

Me too

[@OnyXerxes]

That would make sense but why would he go to the trouble of getting Del Toro and Norman Reedus just to say goodbye... there's also some interviews with Del Toro where he says that he intended it to be a full game so I'm pretty sure that theory is wrong. It would be a pretty dick move to "crush [Guillermo Del Toro's] dream" (as he said in an interview) just to say goodbye.

[@internetdinosaur8810]

...You were right. It was. :(

[@malopez3779]

Helpful Bag: "I stood one pace before Jack" *Jack = J. ?*

[@AlbertusSalvatierra]

MaMiMuMa - didn’t Jeff work

[@drlinglm4133]

In Silent Hill the radio plays a big role throughout the game. Mainly because sometimes there are voices which can be heard and the radio can even tell you when monsters are nearby. It's not surprising that in P.T. the radio is messing with the player though! It's really neat how Kojima was able to fiddle around with it's role in P.T.

[@PaddyMcMe]

4:11 is the best part, explaining the architecture of the pathway, so clever. People need to see that.

[@EtherBotGames]

"The only me is me--are you sure the only you is you?" What if Silent Hills was going to pull a Bioshock Infinite-Many Worlds plot? And Murder-Reedus is another world version of Player-Reedus? I mean it's called Silent HILLS! As in: "There is more than one Silent Hill" Food for thought

[@SosaStarlight]

I haven't noticed it, so I hope I'm not mentioning something you've already covered somewhere, but a fairly big theme I'm seeing is decay. Cockroaches are associated with rot and decay The house seems to get dirtier and full of garbage, slowly decaying with the loops The scene in the red hallway, the radio talks about how society is "rotten to the core" The family likely started having trouble due to dad's drinking and Mom working, falling apart. Also a small side note, if Lisa was possibly being critical of her husband, that might explain the eye gouged out. To stop her judging him. But then again, maybe she wasn't critical at all, but he became paranoid, and felt like she was. Dunno. Just a couple of thoughts I had. Looking forward to the podcast!

[@Piberson]

That image of the supposed tunnel framed on the wall is actually a musical symbol which indicates that time is stopped and isn't passing. IMO that would make more sense than an upside down negative image of a tunnel.

[@andrewwitham8493]

Felipe Pozo actually it makes alot of sense if you think about Death Stranding trailer #2

[@sideeffect1003]

thats cool as fuck.

[@ErinJeanette]

This gave me the chills lol

[@Schmexaay1592]

This has got to be the biggest disappointment in gaming history. This demo was so perfect and it hyped everyone up so much and then they go ahead and cancel the entire game. Horror will never be the same for me.

[@thegrizzlyartist5014]

So close to perfection.

[@damianryan9155]

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, LISA

[@DrJones20]

+Meme Machine Literary

[@passerByL]

"but guess what, i will be coming back, and i will be bringing my new toys with me" is literally kojima saying he'll comeback with Death Stranding

[@FuukanaTV]

Buckle and zip... Do you know what I thought what's in that bag?

[@RadioactiveRubberPants]

your genitals talk back

[@sephiroth29440]

Fuukana-TV the diugh

[@funkyfresh8364]

@@sephiroth29440 lol dashie

[@user-lj8ul8op7w]

R.I.P Silent Hills (2012-2015)

[@VictorColli]

man, I could only wish to see this game adapted for virtual reality, such a masterpiece

[@josephgarvin3998]

One small thing - the player character's jacket, while just an ordinary leather jacket, is also identical to the one worn by Bobby Briggs in Twin Peaks (the wrist zippers are part of one of his distinctive tics in season one, zipping them back and forth rapidly when stressed).

[@jhpk]

Damn.. this video made P.T. more creepy. You have calming voices to hear! Thank you for this video. Keep it up!

[@godless_goddess5985]

34:53 "Sink Fetus Monologue" sounds like a harsh noise-punk band name

[@nightowl7288]

GOD I wish this project wasn't cancelled GOOOOOOOD WHYYYYYYY

[@thecolossaltitan1092]

Gay Alien I'm still sad....

[@HyperSplicer]

I'm hoping that by some miracle Kojima, Del Toro and Reedus can continue this project under a new publisher. If they're able to they'll likely do it (except maybe Kojima since he hasn't talked about it since the departure from Konami) because Guillermo Del Toro and Norman Reedus have both said they want to continue working on it. Even if it's not Silent Hills they end up making they could make an entirely new IP using the story elements from P.T. just removing anything it had to do with the Silent Hill series.

[@tototakeke]

I remember PlayStation wanting to buy the rights to the franchise, but Konami refused :(

[@AChimpKnockinAbout]

Big discoveries this video for me were the hallway being a downward spiral, Lisa opening the door at the start and the radio announcer being a corrupting influence to a murderous extent. Just when you think there aren't any more details to pick apart.

[@ImBatman-dk8eh]

Apart from the sweedish radio ghost, all the voices on the radio are the same voice actor, just different personalities. the "evil" voice is the same one at the end.

[@ImBatman-dk8eh]

+Duncan McNelis and also the same voice of the feetus

[@crewinXeagles]

I really enjoy how your scripts are formatted; they are very professional, very informative, and very enjoyable to listen to.

[@DaleNorth]

I enjoyed this! Thanks so much for making it.

[@Jon_Cyber]

I have a strong theory as to how this game was going to play out. The Theory: You play as Norman Reeves as he goes across several different versions of Silent Hills as channeling through different people and their nightmares. The Evidence that support this: 1. Reeves does not look like Lisa's husband, yet he is being treated as such the moment he is in the hallway. Reeves is refereed to as a separate entity ONLY when he is in the concrete room and outside. 2. The Bag, the bag that speaks to you says "The only me is me. Are you sure the only you is you?" Implying that there are several different versions of you and that when you walk through that "inter dimensional" door (again as stated by the bag), you become a different person. 3. The title "Silent Hills" refers to the fact that there would be several versions of a single Silent Hill. One of the common theme for a single protagonist in a Silent Hill game is to have a unique look of Silent Hill. The "only" way to see a different version of Silent Hill is to look through someone else's eyes. If Reeves was traveling through different versions of Silent Hill, he would have to channel himself into several different people. All of which have their own horror. 4. Kojima said himself that the game would be unlike the demo. Almost stating that it'll be only a small part or irrelevant to the bigger plot. So far nothing I can think of can discredit this theory. This demo plays as a part of what Reeves has to go through; living through the Lisa's husband's nightmare. Gameplay wise it'll be great, story wise it is easy to construct, and in terms of in game lore it can be a brand new way in solving a big mystery. Each smaller nightmare tells the story of the big mystery behind... ermmm.... whatever the big mystery was going to be... (perhaps the string of Familicide or something something Aliens as hinted by the Swedish ghost. Hey maybe that was going to be part of the multiple endings! Aliens from 75 years ago!) Another Weaker theory I have is the idea that whatever Lisa cut out of Reeves, was the demon that the husband had within him (Tieing to the "Forgive me Lisa, there is a monster inside of me). The bag on the table, was the demon that resided in the husband. This demon, although inside of him speaks to the husband via radio. It can only be heard by the husband, and since Reeves is channeling through the husband, he can thus hear the demon on the radio.

[@shoezomaku]

+CyberMario I was thinking the same thing, that for some reason you are investigating the events of lisa's murder through reedus and that you aren't the husband but everyone sees you that way. Which is why the fetus talks about the father like it's you, and why lisa is attacking you. However i think the bag is the one making you do it, and is using his cockroaches to help you when he can. Since everytime lisa runs away from you there are cockroaches, they are there everytime she flees, the only other time they are there is when the lead you to clues. The only reason why i think the bag chose cockroaches is because generally women are seen as the ones afraid of them, so it woulsd tand to reason that the wife would flee from them especially if they are being controlled by an opposing spirit or force.

[@shoezomaku]

***** i respect your view, but think of this , whever lisa is physically near you the only time she doesnt attack is when there are roaches, every other time she will kill you without hesitation. Also those are centipedes coming out of the boys mouth, and it is only a concept trailer.

[@juandominguez8536]

shoezomaku hey buddy. I know it’s been four years, but now we know she was always behind you

[@troyg2102]

Redus*

[@PresetWolf1]

@@troyg2102 Reedus*

[@noname-qw9td]

Watched this multiple times over the past 2 years- it's the first time I've seen it with captions. Kudos to whoever added some extra lines!

[@streemerz1]

Incredible video, i'm so surprised about how long have you gone through this demo, your passion is incredible! Nice work, i'm in love with your analysis, still waiting for more!!!

[@hieveryone.8508]

(Sorry my english) The man talking on the radio in PT, you can hear the same voice and talking in a radio in Metal Gear Solid Phantom Pain. It is in one of the missions in Africa. I don't remember which country. I instantly recognised it when I walked in a tent in that mission and heard the man speaking on the radio

[@HollowMux]

It's a Easter egg

[@renatoaruffo]

I realized a few stuffs. NEW THEORIES.. I think it makes sense, take a look :D 1- at 23:00 when he is talking about the umbilical cord, where is the only place you can hang yourself with a umbilical cord? Only one place that it is possible is inside the womb. Who was inside the womb? The fetus. 2- The voice on the radio? Looks a lot like the fetus voice. Also, the gap in the door, if you take a peek, before Lisa show up, who do you see? The fetus! 3- Why is he in the sink? Probably the father rip him of and throw him there, that is why Lisa has a huge cut under her belly, he was taken out of her by force. The fetus was manipulating the father to kill the mother and get him out of her. 4- Why he has to test you for you to be chosen? He is also manipulating you, that is WHY he laughs when you do what he tells you to do, and than chooses you. PT showed that YOU, the player, can also obey any order as the fetus did to his father. 5- The name, is probably the fetus name, no one else. 6- Why is the Fetus the only thing inside the house that is totally out of normal shapes from our ordinary world? He looks like a weird creature, or an alien. EVERYTHING else looks common, even Lisa, she is just an ordinary woman, dead, but normal. Maybe the baby was conceived in silent hill, that is why it is so weird? Or from a ritual, from something weird, I think that the baby was not going to be something normal or good. 7- Maybe Lisa is trying to stop you from obeying the baby and the baby tries to stop her. The moment when you are inside the bathroom 8- This is cool. At the red and fast hallway, at 7:30, the reason that the bathtub has no water, is because the murderer still didn't happen, that is why the fetus is also not there. After you take a peek at the hole, the water AND fetus are going to be there, because it already happened. And before it happened, the fetus voice comes on the radio, after, he talks to you right in front of you. O.O Bizarre 9- By the end, the last voice, I don't think it is the son, it is the Fetus, maybe this radio noises is to show the communications transaction an its power. The way it talk, making fun from the father. - - Now it is going to get a little crazier, but I think most of it is possible - - 10- Maybe, the one who has the monster inside of her, is the Mother. Maybe she wrote that on the wall, will make sense on the next part. 12- I think there are TWO babies, maybe Lisa was one of the tween fetus, think about it, there is a crazy crying baby inside the fridge, maybe this one is the good baby (I am not persisting on it being Lisa, just an idea) Also, the bag inside the first room, maybe that is the other fetus. 12- Maybe the cockroach are from the evil fetus trying to silence the other fetus, that is why on the trailer there are lots of cockroach around it. This can be confusing, but maybe "The only me is me, are you sure that the only you is you" thing is about twins? 13- The voice at the end might be from the evil fetus, and the one that said to kill the mother, was the "good" one, to protect the world? That is why the last fetus is so mad that the father killed them all, but he is confident that he will be coming back! 14- About the 204863 thing, it can be only about his birthday, remember that at the time nobody knew who was the developers, so it may be just an advice, the weird thing it that it is repeated a lot in the game to be just that. Maybe 7783s studio is not Trees, but Hills.. Also maybe just an advice for people to find out or create suspicious. These aren't crazy ideas, maybe we could work out on it. I think there are a few crazy things, but lots of things seems pretty plausible

[@renatoaruffo]

-The "You have been chosen" is like a duo voice, so the one that called is inside the house. Obviously it is the fetus. -Another stuffs I saw tho reinforce this twin theory, the cockroaches glued together at the beginning? -Also, does anyone have any idea who the people in the pictures are? In real life I mean. -Maybe the ghost is not even the girl in the pictures, maybe it is just the spirit that manipulates the player and the father, a ghost that passed through everything Lisa just passed through. Maybe the mass murderer 20 years ago was inside that house? And this ghost is the first dead woman.

[@temporaryturd3531]

Renato Aruffo i know these are your theories but they make no sence i lost you at number 1...

[@charliechan6892]

+Temporary Turd he's saying the baby hung himself in the stomach and the voices throughout the demo are weirdly similar to the babies.. or fetus, whatever. I like your theories, good job on taking the time to think.

[@TheGuitarifier]

+Temporary Turd How do they not make sense? Read them again. I think his theory is great.

[@ericfrett820]

+Brendan McDonald no just no theres a few points that made sense though how ever the fact is that there were four murders we only know the motive of one and that was the fact that the father thought she was cheating and that was the boss baby. If the fetus was in the paper bag theres two things wrong with that one the bag said "I walked I can do nothing but walk" a fetus isn't walking bro. ACCORDING TO THE SIZE AND WHAT IT SAID its a leg it can see itself but it wasn't it. with the relevance to the roach at the beginning it could be a roach. secondly Why haven't any of you considered the lunch making and the lunch bag connection... also the roach at the beginning indicates theres something wrong with reality maybe its "mixed"

[@GatorMH]

Exactly what I was looking for! I'll be watching your newer PT video right after this one. Thanks for the content.

[@CaptainFram]

This was great. You two have excellent voices for long form audio and a great rapport, I could listen to this for hours!

[@2centschange]

While the Swedish ghost's stuff is handy for explaining the date, don't take it too seriously. It was essentially an easter egg to hint it was a silent hill related game which has non-cannon alien endings.

[@theDatatsushi]

I fell into sleep paralysis while the radio was saying look behind you 😰

[@helloofthebeach]

I love hearing you guys talk about this game. I've been meaning to rewatch your playthrough stream anyway!

[@Lin_The_Cat_]

You guys did such an awesome job dissecting this y’all should def revive this channel and talk about all the recent horror games

[@VicViper1984]

So supposedly P.T takes place on my birthday. Fucking fantastic. lol. Well, it only helps with the immersion, since I grew up during this same timeline and general type of setting/household, alcoholism and such included. Glad my father wasn't around rather than going postal on us. Fun times. I do think that P.T is/was separate from Silent Hills though. I think the idea was mainly just to showcase the idea that Kojima can do horror, and he can do it well, as well as showing that he can take a more concise and subtle approach to storytelling with the environment, rather than his typical MO with Metal Gear and Policenauts. The very fact that his name only shows up once P.T is complete kinda says as much, as the idea is to get the merits of the experience into the player's mind first, before it is relieved who is really responsible for developing the game, that way they go "No way, that guy who typically does stealth action and really campy cutscene heavy stories did this!?" putting to rest doubts before they have them. It is possible that they may have tied P.T into Silent Hills, but I think that the message at the end was there at the very least, to allow leeway, in case they decided to go a completely different direction later on in the development, but also because even if the story and atmosphereic elements and themes remained the same, I believe that Silent Hills would have had a completely different gameplay style, and so he didn't want people to think that P.T was a direct demo of the gameplay that Silent Hills would have to offer. If MGSV has anything to say, it's that with the invention of the Fox Engine, Kojima had no intention to do things simple, or by the book, he wants to really toy with what we've come to expect with gaming, And I fell like up until all this Konami business, he was going to go on a warpath, and really do something special, and memorable with these two games. Now just The Phantom Pain will have to provide that for us. R.I.P Silent Hills, we hardly knew ye.

[@manganistDIMITRI]

Why aren't you guys uploading more? Like theories and analysis videos from other gaming series. Because let's face it,your way of presenting your theories with evidence and facts from the source material is amazing. Whatever you guys have planned for this channels future,I'll be there to support,as well as other long time subscribers like me.

[@VoidBurgerGaming]

Because our way of presenting our theories with evidence and facts from the source material, along with all that slick editing, kinda takes a lot of time! Lots of research, writing, and fact-checking, along with text editing to make sure we don't sound like know-it-all jerks :) Plus Bob, the main video editor, who also wrote the most material for the P.T. episodes, has a 9-to-5 job as well! Quality takes a lot of time and effort! If you mean more theories about other game series: We're just not really into other game series. We're Silent Hill nerds more than anything else. If we made videos about other games that we weren't into, we wouldn't be able to make in-depth videos like this, due to lack of knowledge and interest in those franchises.

[@t.j.2701]

I'm so glad to see another update. I love your stuff. Awesome work.

[@nicke.424]

to be honest I usually get bored with long videos but this had my attention the entire time. you did great with this video

[@thespectralchannel]

Really interesting analysis - I'd be interested to see you guys dissect the new PT concept movie

[@GEhotpants101]

Garden Rose New one? There's a new PT concept movie? Or are you talking about the one that's been out for a while? Because re-watching that one, it occurs to me that the little boy who picks up his head might be the son that was shot. I don't know why his head was off, though.

[@fazzthespaz353]

I really liked this video. I could never think this stuff through myself and I really enjoyed all the lore and speculations surrounding this small demo which is more than likely a part of gaming history and will be discussed for years to come.

[@samuel8867]

After the " don't touch the dial now" line, you can hear the radio say " retrieve the rifle". And the husband was hearing the radio in the car, where he had the rifle.

[@jmac2925]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how organized and well put this video was? Niggas even made a full diagram/animation mapping out the whole house. Props

[@darkiumalosa]

silent hills was cancelled today :'(

[@jacethemindsculptor917]

There are so many connections between SH and Death Stranding. It’s intriguing...

[@franciscocamarena7572]

This is such a well put together video! And I love the narrating style switching between the male and female voices!

[@tomasecheverria8569]

Hi guys! I just wanted to say, amazing job, the first part was creepy, rather unsettling and the second was enlightening and informative, you did an amazing job in putting this pieces together. Great content and entertaining. Thank you. Can wait for the podcast.

[@theguyinthere]

the gap in the door represents the ps4 apps when you play pt then you want to play death stranding the gap in the door is the closing of one game and moving to the next game

[@paulamcclendon4227]

Also, we cannot forget that in Silent Hill Games, the static usually means a monster is nearby. I think when we hear this static, the person speaking on the radio is not only a monster, but possibly communicating through a ghost like world.

[@morqesahar]

I love these videos you've created, you have certainly done your homework. I know that you're both focusing on different projects and paths now but a weekly podcast i type of discussion regarding other games would be appreciated greatly on my behalf at least.

[@gimp9938]

This is awesome, thanks for making this.

[@recreationaldrama]

I think that the tallies on the wall are there to show that mr. protagonist has been captive for quite some time.

[@procyon6445]

has anyone tried to say instead of Jarith "Jotaro" in an english menacing voice?

[@lloydpurdy4130]

That was awesome guy's. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos!

[@krutch5228]

This was a really well put together video. Thanks.

[@rasmus5926]

This story is really interesting but i'm a pussy when it comes to playing the actual game.

[@yaoiboi60]

Yup, me too. Extends to most silent hill / fnaf / horror games for me. That and I don't have the consoles it runs on.

[@KFCArbiter]

204863 is used a lot in MGS V, something is up, Kojima must be rusing us

[@Compufighter]

+Trojan Hippo when else does the number appear in MGSV?

[@darthnihilus9964]

+Paremco As a song.

[@darthnihilus9964]

+TheGamingTaco I think.(I'm on mobile).

[@Shura31412]

The bag says " i walked one pace behind him" And after camera mods which were done a couple of years ago, they found out that lisa was always exactly behind the charcater. So the bag might just be a medium for lisa to communicate

[@Artic144]

Can't wait for more!

[@DanejurousArts]

You are tearing me apart, Lisa!

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

I don't mean to bring up "they who shall not be named" but I find it hilarious how dismissive they were of P.T. (thankfully their ex member was positive towards it) and yet here we are with a 38 minute long video that goes into an insane amount of detail about it and with more to come. If this doesn't show how great P.T. is then I just don't fucking know, lol.

[@m.brooks7776]

Very interesting analysis, thank you for uploading!

[@jwnj9716]

The radio moments like, "His six-year-old daughter had the good sense to hide in the bathroom, but reports suggest he lured her out by telling her it was just a game". It reminds me of God Told Me To. Plus, "You know what to do, now's the time, DO IT!" reminds me of Session 9.

[@Wizthefurbo]

The part I found interesting is that you guys mentioned the error screen saying that this game is purely fictional and the father lying to his daughter saying this is a game to kill her. This also connects with what we later learned after the cancellation of the game that Kojima wanted to scare us in the real world as well by having us provide phone numbers and/or emails

[@theAwkwardAvocado]

I was so hyped for this game... I hope it has a chance to return.

[@carljohnson6865]

Very good video, good and detailed explications, within a good format. Thank you for this, it deserves more views !

[@Ninquelote]

Thank you for making these videos about PT! You guys did a really great job on all of them!!

[@Ninquelote]

google is an asshole and keeps condensing my comment into a huge single paragraph so I'm going to have to get creative with what I have to say next and how I'm going to say it

[@Ninquelote]

ALSO, I just wanted to add (and this might be completely random, but I thought I'd share anyway) There's a movie called The Awakening (made in 2011, written and directed by Nick Murphy) --- SPOILERS TO FOLLOW ////// ////// So there's a movie called The Awakening, and it's about a woman in 1921, who, after her love dies in WWI, becomes a paranormal investigator. Her main purpose is to prove it's all a hoax, but obviously she finds a real ghost by the end of this movie. She has fractured memories of her childhood, believing that she was attacked by a Lion in Africa as a child, and that the natives there named her "Mawa Zee". By the end of the movie we find out that she was not, in fact, attacked by a lion ;. her father, using a shotgun, murders his wife and her little half-brother. She only escapes being murdered too by hiding in an almost maze-like corridor between the wall while her father calls to her using his special nickname for her, "his little mousie" (And it's British English so it sounds a lot like "Mau-ze" or "Mawa Zee"). While he's looking for her in the wall, he calls to her, saying things like, "You think I don't know where my little mousie hides herself all day?" and, now his voice breaking, "I really am sorry!" and "I will find you, darling. You have to go with mummy now!"////// //////// ANOTHER interesting link between The Awakening and PT is that during the final revelation, when the main character finally remembers her traumatic past, she sees a flashback of herself as a child, with her father pointing his shotgun directly at her chest as she stands in front of her dying mother. Her father is screaming at her, telling her "You can't help mummy now!" The main character tries to run away from the flashback several times, but each time she runs out the door, she just goes back into the same room to find the same flashback, and when she stops in the door frame, horrified, you can still see the flash back happening behind her even as it happens again in front of her.

[@Ninquelote]

Now straight up, I do not know a lot about Kojima, but I DO know a lot about Guillermo Del Toro's body of work (which I have been very disappointing to see that most PT theorists have not spoken about him) Del Toro digs a good ghost story (as seen not only in some of his writing, but in the movies he chooses to produce, such as Mama (2013)), and if anybody has ever seen The Devil's Backbone (2001) they might think, as I do, . that The Awakening is right up his alley ((Irrelevant to this but interesting to me, The Devil's Backbone is set within a few years of Pan's Labyrinth: During the Spanish Civil War / WWII)). ///// ////// Here's a clip from a NYTimes review of The Devil's Backbone, "The director, Guillermo del Toro, balances dread with tenderness, and refracts the terror and sadness of the time through the eyes of a young boy, who only half-understands what . he is witnessing ". TO ME, this really Resonates with some of the things we See in PT //// //// Also, this is from a review of the movie on a message board about Spina Bifida:" ACCORDING to the DVD commentary, del Toro is uncomfortable with writing dialogue. He prefers Images. [...] Del Toro talks about the repetition of images and that this movie is meant to be visual poetry. //// //// "The movie begins with images that we do not completely understand and words that set up a mystery:??.. 'What is a ghost A tragedy condemned to repeat itself time and again An instant of pain perhaps Something dead which still seems to be alive An emotion suspended in time. Like a blurred photograph. Like an insect taped in amber. '////// ////// "The devil's backbone [...] is what superstitious villagers call fetuses with spina bifida. If you're not familiar with the developmental birth defect, it is the incomplete closure of embryonic neural tube. The spinal cord is incompletely formed and the vertebrae is not fully formed and remains unfused and open. The spinal cord protrudes through the opening in the bones . [...] [T] he preserved fetuses are embalmed in spices and rum, and the rum is believed to cure various ailments, most importantly impotence. "

[@Ninquelote]

The style in which Guillermo tells ghost stories is ALL OVER this game and I would love to hear more about him and his horror work-- which is an amazing and beautiful body of stories and images. I've already talked about Guillermo's love of imagery over dialogue, but it can not hurt to mention that he is an incredibly gifted artist. Totally look up his sketchbook / notebook pages, because they never fail to mesmerize me. ////// ////// Also, I mentioned the movie Mama, (written by Andres and Barbara Muschietti);. Thought Guillermo did not write it, he did find the short film and go through a lot of trouble to help make it into a feature film The short film had no explanation or back story of any kind;. it was really just a scene, so it needed a LOT of fleshing out That fleshing out includes an opening scene where a man who has just murdered his wife in a fit of madness brings his too very young girls out to a cabin, where he plans to murder them as well as himself. The children, however, it is saved by a very Yurei like ghost .

[@Mr_Skibz]

I found this interesting to watch years later after finding out the child’s name is Jack (via lance mcdonald) and seeing that the answer was in front of us all this time in the reverse hint you show that you ends with Jack.