The Great Lie of Yoshida Hirofumi | Chainsaw Man Explained

[@shiva_speedruns367]

I always look forward to Yoshida randomly appearing in chapters like some surprise celebrity only to disappear for a solid few chapters lol

[@HidinginPublic]

He's great!

[@himzi1]

Thats too funny to me, I can just imagine the cheer and other background sounds

[@SuperduckMusic]

He’s the new Kishibe as famine is the new makima

[@Melona0003]

The way he randomly appeared and using "What a coincicidence" as an excuse he's unintentionally hilarious especially that time when he suddenly met Denji when he was on date at the aquarium "I just felt like looking at fish today" that shit was funny. I'm looking forward to the next chapter istg he would appear with more lame excuses lol

[@heiext]

reminds me of when celebrities would appear on disney channel shows lmaooo

[@SamTheGumMan117]

Yoshida got the smirk devil frfr and his involvement so far in part 2 has been fun just popping up but recently that staredown oh man gave me gooseys

[@HidinginPublic]

He's so funny and creepy (in a good way)

[@rocpack6721]

Yoshida is considered with the troll devil

[@bojuu]

got that smeggsyness devil fr *quietly opens r34 in the background*

[@Pitufo458]

@@HidinginPublic what’s the background music starting at 1:25?

[@hyjjjkyikk3158]

Lovecratian devil confirmed

[@Syeric]

I always thought that Kishibe not wanting to see a thing it was because of all the history he had with Quanxi, there is also the panel of both of them facing just before the cut and the blood spilling over on him. Remember Fuyimoto likes to show more with what he draws than to tell directly his intentions with words. Kishibe doesnt really shows his feelings, we can only assume how he feels, like that time he said to Makima that everytime a dog he trains dies he finds himself drinking more. So seeing his long time partner Quanxi die in from of him would have a bigger impact. And thats why he just says he doesnt want to see a thing...

[@salvadorreyes2312]

I had this impression too. It was more like “I know what happened but I can’t handle seeing it” sort of thing. Kishibe isn’t dumb and probably also knew he was safe to take off the blinds

[@asimian8500]

Quanxi didn't die. She's a hybrid immortal Weapons Devil. We see her again in the last arc along with other Weapons Devil (including Reze and Katana Man) vs. Pochita/Chainsaw Devil. It was mentioned by Makima that the Horsemen and Weapons Devils fought Chainsaw Man and his allies in Hell. One of those Weapons Devils was the Nuclear Weapons Devil which Chainsaw Man ate and that Yoru/War Devil wants to force Chainsaw Man to release. It seems Chainsaw Man has the power to destroy and resurrect Devils (truly OP power).

[@d-man247]

That's exactly what it was. Kishibe saying "I don't want to see a thing" is a callback to his conversation with Quanxi about ignorance being bliss; he doesn't take off his blindfold because he'd rather not see what Makima did to her nor her dead body. Yoshida takes off his blindfold simply because he doesn't care, not because he knows there's no threat.

[@HidinginPublic]

I think it's both. Kishibe knows that the more you know the more likely Makima will take your control away from you. As we saw in the snake arc, makima tells the 2 masked people when it's okay to look again because they don't have the right to know what's going on.. kishibe also repeatedly tells makima he doesn't care what her means are as long as it serves humanity- that he would rather not know. All of this is in characterization with the line in ch70. I do also think the Quanxi part plays into it how you stated though

[@PersonCalledErin]

@Hiding in Public I think it was pretty solidly established that makimas literal control over people depends entirely on if the other sees themselves as below makima, which Kishibe clearly doesn't. As seen by him retaliating against makima and not being controlled directly at all. The same could also be the case for Yoshida tho

[@clubberlang8050]

I'm sure someone has probably pointed out before I have, but you misread the blindfold scene. Kishibe's reluctance to remove his blindfold had nothing to do with Makima's power, it was because he didn't want to see Quanxi (his former buddy and crush) slaughtered. Yoshida was acting normally, it was Kishibe who was acting strangely.

[@Kosiduss]

yes

[@MCPhatman]

Thank you I was about to type a long response but you saved me a few minutes XD

[@yeetusdeletus8254]

what he was trying to say was Yoshida had no way of knowing that makina was done, but he did. that's what's strange

[@Dell-ol6hb]

@@yeetusdeletus8254 yea like he could’ve just heard their heads drop like why would it be anything more than that?

[@babaG819]

As mentioned by a few others, I think it's both. He had no intention of getting involved with Makima.

[@nopir3898]

In the Assassins arc, Kishibe demonstrated that what devils you have a contract with does not really correlate to how powerful you can be. Kishibe only has a contract with the Needle, Knife and Claw devil, while good devils they aren't exactly the type to seem like they would give him the top tier status he seems to hold. Cosmos is following Quanxi cause she loves her, you can't really use that as a way to scale anything. Also Kishibe managed to make her retreat, so it safe to say that devil ability are like Jojo stands, where circumstances is more a deciding factor instead of pure strength. Yoshida was able to shrug off the damage cause of technique. All the damage he took were scrapes from redirecting Quanxi's attacks, so if he were to get a "direct hit" to the head or stomach it probably would shatter his bones and kill him. Kishibe doesn't want to see Quanxi's (a person he held dear) dead in front of him, its not cause of some aversion to harm. The blindfold are cause standard hunters aren't supposed to see Makima's "contracts", Yoshida knew he could take off his mask cause he heard the thud of their heads so he knew the job was done. Its also safe to assume that Yoshida got his info from the same government that Kishibe works for, so he would know about how Makima watches them, and after Kishibe relays the info about CSM's ability, Yoshida being one of the best candidates for the spy on Denji mission would also be privy to this info. And the point about the octopus devil, Octopi have no blind spot while also having vision on the same level as humans, so he would be able to check his surroundings for any rodents rather easily Occam's Razor is boring, so i'm hoping your theory is correct

[@daralic2255]

Oh yea octopi are able to detect light on their skin so it probably can see it’s entire surroundings

[@arifarrafi3302]

who is occam

[@nopir3898]

@Arif Arrafi Occams's razor is a philosophy that the simplest solution is often the best one

[@VicViper1984]

@@nopir3898 nah you're 100% correct and I appreciate your ability to break it all down effectively. This is why I have a love hate relationship with fan theories. Some actually pose good questions and seek to answer real mysteries in a story while others defy logic, and demonstrate a direct failure to comprehend the information presented in the story.

[@bandi642]

also the bigger the devil the bigger the price or the less u can manifest from them. weak devils will give u low price high manifestation contracts

[@seanrussell6594]

Yoshida is getting more and more interesting. In part 1 I was always thinking “what the hell is makima” and now I’m starting to think the same with yoshida.

[@somebrid2147]

Yeah, Fujimoto knows what we love and plays into the same themes. Which is why I expect the whole cast to die again (except Kobeni of course).

[@JanTft]

@@somebrid2147 Just imagine a final fight being Denji vs Kobeni with sloppy toppy devil

[@vixolp]

other thing to notice is that every time yoshida uses the octopus he don't seem to have to pay a price, like aki giving skin to the fox and the girl giving fingernails to the snake. He just freely uses the octopus whenever he need without giving anything that we know of.

[@professionalliar1524]

You can have a contract where you give something up front and gain unlimited access to the devil, so Yoshida probably did that kind of contract.

[@abura2980]

@@professionalliar1524 yeah, like Himeno's Ghost Devil

[@pronutstar]

He sacrificed his balls

[@vixolp]

@@professionalliar1524 yeah but there is nothing visible that he is missing. I think it might be like the future devil situation, he had to pay a ridiculous low price because maybe his goals are the same that the devil goals

[@professionalliar1524]

@@vixolp It's also possible to make a devil contract where what you "sacrifice" is just doing something for the devil, like how the whirlpool devil was going to give its powers to a guy for delivering it the chainsaw man's heart.

[@Jsh_XIII]

Judging by all the similarities part 2 has with part 1, I’ve had a strong feeling that yoshida might be this parts equivalent to makima (always seems to be smiling/calm, has used food and money in order to get through to denji, willing fine letting civilians/ students die so long as his goals are achieved i.e yuko attack on school) which would make fami or yoru our big bad villain gundevil bait

[@neil5694]

I could def see that being the case. Or at least somewhat similar because I feel like it'd be boring if he did. I think it'd be cool for Yoshida to be a long-lasting threat, not villain, that is kinda like this overseer yk?

[@juanluisabreugomez8462]

The equivalent to Makima would be Yorus sister. The femine devil as even Yoru called her crazy

[@Jobrosfan44]

Considering how Denji doesn’t like dudes aside from Aki, at least it’ll be easy for him to Yoshida then lol

[@boserboser6870]

that or he's the arcs equivilent aki (or mix of aki and makima) aki has a similer scene where he uses carved apples to get denji to cooperate

[@shunguloy1012]

The part 2 equivalent of makima turned out to be way more chaotic

[@michaeljimenez3680]

I always interpreted Kishibe not taking his mask off as a way to protect himself from seeing Quanxi dead and defeated since he was in love with her. Imagine seeing the woman you love decapitated, a powerful woman that you've never seen lose

[@obemx7094]

That's definitely it

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

If he doesn't see her dead she isn't dead. Ignorance is bliss.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

Yoshida is easily the most interesting character in Part 2 right now and I can't wait to find out more about him.

[@HidinginPublic]

He's a silly guy

[@sdnw1840]

I have had a very similar idea in that I think he's a Lovecraftian devil, but I don't think he's the "Cthulhu" devil, more he's Nyarlathotep. That would also account for the panel with Yuko being hung upside down by the fake Chainsaw Man in the exact same pose as Yoshida had held Denji with the octopus earlier, because Nyarlathotep is a shapeshifter and can change his appearance. Nyarlothatep also has the whole tentacle thing going on in one of his appearances, as is Lovecraftian tradition and why I first thought about it way back when I first saw the octopus (octopi aren't scary, eldritch horrors are, tentacles make me think of hent... Lovecraft). So he very well could be the Eldritch Devil or something like that, and I am 100% here for that.

[@kingkestis6169]

MY EXACT THOUGHTS TY

[@confusedjay717]

I think "Nyarlothatep Devil" and, to some extent, "Cthulhu Devil" are too specific to be very powerful Devils, but Eldritch Devil definitely makes sense in the context of Chainsaw Man. This is one of the theories that actually make sense, and it solves the mystery of the fake Chainsaw Man too.

[@anuragsosa]

Yup tentacles do make me think of hent- um Lovecraft

[@saito2582]

I really like this theory

[@hello-gx6oi]

Persona 2 flashback :(

[@Manfred_Danfred]

I have a feeling his organization is, in some sense, trying to go to a sort of "war" with the 4 Horsemen. We already have Nayuta, Fami and Yoru (Control, Famine and War) and Yoshida directly mentions the Death Devil. I don't think he is the Death Devil like some people have been suggesting cause A) Makima would have probably killed him if that was the case and B) When the Hell Devil takes the group to Hell, he is seeing TERRIFIED at the sight of that happening, if he was the Death Devil I doubt he'd be scared as much as he was. I think Yoshida and Denji, despite being friends at the start of this part will def have some conflict if the War on The Horsemen idea is right, especially cause I doubt Denji would let his half-friend-half-little sister be killed that easily Also, I think it makes a lot of sense for his devil to be the Kraken Devil instead of the Octopus devil. Cause an octopus? Kinda scary, but eh. Now the Kraken, the mythical representation of the octopus? Yeah, that'd make more sense to me.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

Well Makima wanted to kill Death but needed Chainsaw Man's ability to do so. She just never got it so her plan never came to fruition. If Yoshida was actually the death devil even Makima couldn't just casually kill him, especially seeing how Death has got to be a primal fear like Darkness as well and Makima was absolutely outclassed by the latter.

[@Manfred_Danfred]

@@wolfbrigade8042 But that brings up the question, why would Yoshida even be working under her command if he was the D.D. As you mentioned, its likely Death is a primordial fear devil too and if so he'd definitely know Makima was trying to kill them, with that in mind I doubt he'd assist in the protection of the one being that could erase it's existence.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

@@Manfred_Danfred I also don't think Yoshida is the death devil but I'm just saying if he was, he would have been an issue for Makima.

[@Jermstuckonpercs]

I’m just excited and I hop chainsaw man would stop doing the bait and switch cliff hangers

[@jjjjjjaylon]

All the 4 horseman are women

[@jessemcbuckets7785]

this is the best theory i’ve seen so far i’m not sure if it’ll end up true bc fujimoto always diverts our expectations but at the same time your theory holds a lot of validity

[@HidinginPublic]

Thanks, I'm glad you see validity in it- we'll see what happens

[@jessemcbuckets7785]

@@HidinginPublic yo do you have any advice on avoiding copyright claims when making these type of videos? i already have a copyright strike and i have 55 subs 😂your an inspiration btw

[@dango2917]

@@jessemcbuckets7785 one thing I learned is flipping the image and showing less than 3 seconds of an individual clip before switching to another one so that it sorta flows. instead of a whole scene chop it up and shuffle them around to match your talking points.

[@jessemcbuckets7785]

@@dango2917 thank you that helps a lot!😎

[@kashifreza1993]

Imagine he just dies random in a few chapters !

[@falsesenpai]

Another more obvious reason why Yoshida isn't the death devil is because he doesn't have crazy looking eyes like all the other horsemen, sure contact's exist but even makima being as smart as she was didn't have them

[@confusedjay717]

I want to first point out that I personally don't believe that Yoshida is the Death Devil, and that the theory seems like a stretch to me. But Makima had no reason to wear them because no other Horsemen were known about by the public when she was still alive. (Well, the general public still doesn't know about Nayuta, Yoru and Fami's existences. Kishibe knows about Nayuta but he has never seen Yoru nor Fami.) She had no reason to hide her eyes because the ringed eyes weren't associated with the Horsemen by humans in the first place. And they still aren't. I think it's safe to say that ironically, Yoshida is the only non-Devil character in the entire series that has figured out the connection between eye rings and the Four Horsemen. He's seen Makima, Fami and presumably Yoru's eyes, so surely he's figured that out. If he IS Death though, it *would* make sense for him to hide his eyes with contact lenses because there is already an established connection between ringed eyes and the Four Horsemen. If he visibly had rings in his eyes, it would be a dead giveaway, especially for the 3 other Horsemen.

[@Susanoo1016]

Or he is a contracted Devil host of the death devil

[@Koraxus]

@@confusedjay717 The eyes may just be an artistic hint/nod to us the readers and not an actual thing in-universe.

[@confusedjay717]

@@Koraxus Makes more sense because Denji saw Yoru up close. I doubt he would forget what Makima's eyes looked like, so if the rings were an actual thing he would be able to tell something was off.

[@AbsentMindedA]

​@ConfusedJay Wrong. Whenever yoru shows up it's just for the readers to know it's her, in the actual story, it's just asa'a body.

[@ChilledBacon]

While he does seem suspicious, I believe he’s just super instinctive due to the octopus devil, and super clever and witty to allow him to get through situations. You can have the most powerful tool, but it’s nothing compared to a master with its simple weapon

[@ChilledBacon]

I do like the cuthulu theory a lot though

[@deathshop2172]

that's an interesting idea. cosmos is the fear of all that can be known darkness is the fear of what is unknown and cuthulu (though it'd probably get a different name, like eldritch devil) is the fear of that which cannot be known.

[@janfeb9]

i never looked into yoshidas character before until the recent chapter where he looked directly into famines eyesballs and did a debby ryan smirk i just knew this man was some kind of powerful entity.

[@nathjcaldeira]

debby ryan smirk DMKDKLLKFLKF

[@BluOrion08]

It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Yoshida has connections to some kind of organisation, but him being a Lovecraftian monster in the form of something that humans can understand, like a devil, would put Chainsaw man into one of the most mind bending fictions of all time. But then again this is a theory. Great video!

[@kashifreza1993]

What if he has a contract with one of the primal fears . Like Ocean devil.

[@zerechan]

Based on him directly threatening the Famine Devil, AND her conceding without a single argument, Yoshida is clearly stronger than we know.

[@dimskomusic]

He probably has a contract with the lovecraftian/cthulu devil or summ

[@bryanries6378]

I think everything you said about Yoshida lying and downplaying his strength will absolutely turn out to be true. Also everything you said about his motivations and ultimate end goal. The Cthulu prediction is very bold, and I love it. I really hope you're right, but knowing Fujimoto, Yoshida might just end up being as strong as he is for some crazy ass reason no know could have possibly predicted. great video man

[@SolarWolf420]

Kraken is more believable then Cthulhu tbh

[@kenny995]

One thing I want to say is that I think the abilities of the octopus devil are being unfairly portrayed and dulled down. Octupus are very smart, have great reach and strength, spray ink, incredible camouflage skills, and can fit through anything. There are also tales of giant octopus in folklore. Though it could very well be cuthulu or something similar, it being an octopus doesn't mean it would be weak.

[@Otinashi]

Yoshida came out of nowhere and almost immediately solidified himself as my favorite character in the series

[@topcat59]

Honestly that brings up a lot of questions on what happens if chainsaw man eats the death devil, would people no longer die or would people no longer be aware that they’ve died.🤔🐱

[@whirlwind872]

Yoshida indirectly causes the undead curse from dark souls

[@HidinginPublic]

Literally how I imagine it lmao. People going hollow

[@asimian8500]

Yoshida may have multiple contracts. We know about the Octopus Devil which may be an Octopus Devil in name only. It has multi-dimensional powers, teleportation, and only displays tentacles. I would rather call it the "Fear of Tentacles, Cthulhu, and non-Euclidean Space" Devil. Now, going back to multiple contracts, Yoshida may have multiple contracts. Only powerful humans can have multiple contracts like Kishibe who has three contracts. We didn't see any of his contracted Devils in Part 1: Public Safety. He doesn't rely on them even against Quanxi who is a hybrid, Weapons Devil. And no Quanxi was not "killed" as she is an immortal hybrid, Weapons Devil, who we saw in the last arc along with numerous Weapons Devils vs. Pochita/Chainsaw Devil. Finally, I have the suspicion that Yoshida is Kishibe's son from a fling. Kishibe's interests are booze, women, and killing Devils (Part 1). There are many similarities including earrings, fighting ability, and personality. Physically Yoshida looks like a younger Kishibe. We know what Kishibe looked like as a young man from an extra chapter. Now, I'm not going to rely on that 100% as Fujimoto does draw similar characters--especially women. Asa looks similar to Eri and wears a similar High School uniform.

[@HidinginPublic]

Yeah multiple contracts is definitely on the table. The fact octopus specifically has the ability of this knowledge tho throws a bit of a kink into that idea tho imo

[@asimian8500]

@@HidinginPublic Not really. As I mentioned, Kishibe had multiple contracts and never used them. Yoshida is the kind to keep his cards close. He is only going to reveal his Octopus Devil which most know about. Yes, Octopus may have the capability of doing most of this, but it doesn't preclude Yoshida having other contracts. He doesn't have to reveal his other contracts. It's dangerous to reveal your contracts as stated in Part 1 which is why Kobeni never revealed her contract, but I have an idea what it is.

[@quin0000]

@@asimian8500What’s your idea on kobeni’s devil i’m interested

[@dylanporpoise2566]

abyss devil would be the simplest name you seek

[@DEMIboiyo]

@@dylanporpoise2566 but wouldn't the darkness devil fall under the name abyss too or be slightly related to it?

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

Now that the Octopus is eaten along with, bitterness and snow We haven't yet to see Yoshida.

[@Okaz0]

What happened? spoil

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@Okaz0 Chainsaw man ate the fatness devil and your mom jokes disappeared

[@vel5094]

Recent chapter dropped a few days ago, if Denji spits out the Octopus devil by running around and exhausting himself within the domain of the aging devil, then maybe Yoshida could play a crucial role in getting them out.

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

@@vel5094 New chapter has dropped and he definitely will

[@dig1taltoaster]

Video on Funny octopus boy? Sign me up.

[@HidinginPublic]

So true!

[@shyguypro9876]

I agree there's more to Yoshida than he lets on, but what you're describing is an idea we've already seen done in CSM. Twice. The Cosmos devil and the Darkness devil are both devils of the Lovecraftian variety. I would be interested to know how Yoshida was able to go toe-to-toe with Quanxi, who Kishibe basically described as the best fighter in the world. However the answer could easily be that he's also just a very very skilled fighter.

[@rrypara]

Kishibe's "I don't wanna see a thing" is an obvious nod to his relationship with Quanxi. He doesn't want to see Quanxi die.

[@ilMucius]

Cthullu representing the fear of the unknown/unknowable forgets the entire existence of cosmo devil, who is also about unknowable information and not a reductive interpretation of cosmos as in just space

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

2:36 The point of kishibe saying this is because his comrade was slaughtered. Quanxi and kishibe have an extremely long history So it's just subtle writing to say "I'm sad right now, would rather not see the dead head of someone I was close with." Instead of any grand theory crafting

[@HidinginPublic]

Yeah I can understand that being part of it as well

[@Dell-ol6hb]

Also, it is a call back to Quanxi's philosophy of ignorance being bliss

[@muhamaddanial5376]

But she didn't die in the end tho(well, i wish she died and didn't exist anymore)

[@azrael5493]

I agree with you that Yoshida is almost definitely not the Death Devil, but the idea that he's contracted with Cthulhu is a stretch imo. Fujimoto is always an unpredictable writer for sure but that seems extremely un-Fujimoto like to me. It seems like a pretty whacky thing to prescribe to such a serious character, and if he was contracted with a devil like that, characters like Justice Yuko, Yoru or the Famine Devil would've definitely taken notice of him. I have a two potential theories though; he is contracted with the Predator or Hunter devil as well as a slew of animals/creatures that are predators, or he is contracted with the Manipulation Devil. Predators and the fear of them aren't characterized by their viciousness or unreasonableness, but by their natural place on the hierarchy and their awareness, and manipulators tend to naturally be on top anyways. They both would explain why he's always smug and seems to know everything, why he seems so laid back, because everyone around him is dancing to his tune and he's waiting for the opputune moment to strike, making sure that his targets have their guards down. The Predator theory could explain his knowledge by his devil giving him all the possible information about his "Prey", and in the case of the Manipulation devil, we'd have to assume that he actually does have a secret organization that has the knowledge of Makima. Either way, I can't wait to see what he does moving forward.

[@wolfoxdragon2777]

I agree that cthulhu would be a very un-fujimoto like thing to do. He rarely (if ever) references foreign literature, only movies. Plus not many people are really scared of cthulhu or lovecraftian monsters, as not many people are familiar with the concept at all (normal-everyday people rarely associate with lovecraft, in my experience), so cthulhu would not be a very powerful devil either. Also I really like the predator devil theory, it makes sense

[@maxwellwang795]

Yoshida could still be contracted with the Octopus Devil, but also contracted with an Elder God too. Fascinating stuff, thanks for the theory

[@Yuushiron]

this might be your best video yet! really good theory

[@lolomomario76]

2:36 less so that the implication is too much harm or dangerous, but rather he likes Quanxi, and knowing that she's going to get killed by Makima, or get controlled later on, is too much for him.

[@waranghira]

2:11 They knew it was over. The only reason Kishibe doesn't want to see because that was his long-time partner who Makima just cleaned up.

[@insomniacg]

This ties in pretty neatly with my favourite theory: that all the closed doors in the series are suggesting the Unknown Devil (or Chtulhu if you want to call them that). Like, of course the greatest of all fears would literally define the landscape of Hell

[@bruhmaster6915]

My theory is that Yoshida is the death devil because he is showing in tune with mocking her and her behavior in the first part of the books, and then when it comes to Asa, he immediately took notice I think, when her face changed, and the scar appeared, and he keeps showing up in places where Asa is just like he does with Denji. He happened to be where the eternity devil was for Famie situation. He was there when Denji tried to tell. Asa that he is chainsaw man. He seems to be there when the four Horsemen are interacting with Denji.

[@mobydickies8135]

He doesn't have the spiral eyes and he has a contract with the octopus devil

[@-S.9]

Idk but like purely based off of my own opinion, and from what I gather of Fujimoto’s personality, when it comes to characters he would make all 4 horsemen female. So making the strongest horseman male doesn’t really seem like him. But at the same time we don’t know if Yoshida is gonna pull a 180 and betray Dennis but yea

[@Approvedjoey117]

@@mobydickies8135 he could have fake contacts

[@bruhmaster6915]

@@-S.9 that’s actually such a good point I didn’t even think about it. That completely changes my mind on my theory now. You’re so right Fujimoto loves making these powerful women, both good and bad, and I feel like he’s playing against the trope of the four horsemen being men. Especially since it’s a reference to Catholicism and Christianity, which is an very patriarchal religion, you just convinced me that it has to be a woman. Plus Yoshida’s definitely not as good as he’s protrays himself as with Denji. Because I truly believe there’s no way that the octopus devil is as strong as he’s making it out to be. Someone mentioned that his devil contract could be with the Kraken and I feel like that would be a much better example of what his devil could be, because I think more people know about the kraken then Cthulhu. It feels a lot more appropriate that it would be the Kracken.

[@-S.9]

@@bruhmaster6915 Yea I totally agree, Yoshida definitely has more than one devil contract. But there was also this theory that he may be Kishibe’s son? Like 1) Yoshida looks practically the same as young Kishibe 2) He has a beauty mark beside his mouth where Kishibe has a scar 3) Kishibe has multiple devil contracts so it would kinda make sense that Yoshida could have multiple contracts as they are both extremely powerful for having only devil contracts 4) Yoshida is around the same age as Denji (16) and Kishibe is in his 50s as perfectly reasonable father and son age gap 5) Doesn’t the scene where Kishibe asks Yoshida about school seem kinda weird? But idk they may not be father and son they I think they probably are related somehow.

[@thealpacaofsupport258]

Finally a Yoshida theory that isn't him being the Death devil. I do like that theory, but when a theory becomes too popular, it often makes so people stop theorizing about it and no more ideas gets suggested as a possibility Really liked the Chuthulu idea, since cosmic horror monsters are usually associated with people becoming crazy for the knowledge of their existence, it kinda fits that Yoshida could have a battle with Quanxi who had as an ally the Cosmos Devil, which basically does the eldritch knowledge makes you crazy thing as well I don't fully agree with some of the points you made, or how you worded some of them, but in general i think this is a very cool theory and I hope Yoshida is indeed related to some mistery in Part 2

[@jono601]

Kishibe not wanting to take off the mask means that he didn’t want to see someone he loved be murdered. That sure flew over your head. Wow.

[@sandpope2977]

The point of "look how big the tentacles are" is sort of moot considering the size of the object (or concept) feared is irrelevant in devil form, the first devil we see is literally a giant tomato... I don't think the nature of devils is meant to be grounded in reality.

[@vinchcarlotan421]

I always though that Yoshida and Kishibe were related due to their similar appearance, like they both have the same dead eyes and have almost the same earings. Not to mention they are both strong AF in hand-to-hand combat. And they also both speak very casually like they are just a family member.

[@coltdeedede]

Please don't stop making these analysis videos on CSM haha you're the best at it and it's always a treat to dive deeper into it and realize everything I've overlooked.

[@zatoro9852]

ngl something i find interesting is how some specific devils are outlandishly strong like the octopus, and also y'know, the chainsaw devil. makes me think that the octopus is something similar to the primordial strength of the chainsaw

[@yawn9327]

Very cool theory ! When you started to hit the main point I felt the chills man. Even if there is some counter argument to it like Pingsti who has the ability to find curse contracts and feel danger that didn't even react to him, or the Darkness Devil who already embodies so much concepts like the "fear of the unknown" and "cosmic, uncomprehensible knowledge" (Halloween?) that should be characteristic of the Cthulu Mythos, I really like it and can't wait to see what Fujimoto has in store for us.

[@samarthkhandelwal3703]

love, LOVE this theory but I have some nitpicks Kishibe didn't keep his mask on because the information could implicate him in future harm, he kept it on because he didn't want to see a person he genuinely cared about for a very long time die. It's pretty obvious that Makima would execute the Quanxi and crew but all that's not allowed is to see her devils, once her job is done they can remove the blindfolds. Yoshida is not "above quanxi", he lost to her. And he said if he took a hit directly he'd die, but we can easily see that he glanced and blocked that hit with his arm so it wasn't direct. Maybe the argument could be made that he didnt use another devil he was contracted with or something but apart from him being a little mysterious, lying about how strong he is, and knowing too much and there is no evidence to support the fact that he'd win against her in a fight. Most devils with animals (fox and bat for example) have manifestations that are much larger than the actual animal. But the point that an octopus devil shouldn't be that powerful cause who tf is afraid of octopi, the weird amount of knowledge and influence that yoshida has I think definitely points to something odd with him. I really love the Cthulu idea but I think for some specific reasons that Yoshida might be the death devil. Remember how Makima said being eaten by chainsaw man would be a dream come true? Maybe it's similar for the death devil. IDK thp, Cthulu would be pretty awesome. I'm also a big fan of the idea that DENJI is the death devil, cause a) his power is literally erasing things from existence, killing them forever b) who the heck is afraid of chainsaws enough for denji to be as powerful as he is? c) that the death devils manifestation is a chainsaw is really cool considering the original use of chainsaws, d) it would be really interesting that the character arc of the death devil is one of life and living, the "indomitable human spirit" that denji has, an infinite will to live.

[@nessessary2591]

I hope this is true

[@wolfoxdragon2777]

I had never thought that denji could be the death devil, it's a really cool theory. I always thought the chainsaw devil was so strong because devils are afraid of him, as he can erase them from existence, but I guess it is weird that he can do that in the first place.

[@yeahmans]

didnt chainsaw man erase death

[@nabradia]

My biggest issue here is that you projected a lot of your outsider's view on this when it comes to the fear of octopus and their lore in Japanese culture. Many youkai and a lot of the gorest lore there is, culturally speaking, revolves around tentacles and the fear an octopus-like figure could evoke. Sea creatures have a different perception there than in other places. If you watch Old Boy (Korean classic), for example, the entire scene of him eating an octopus alive is BRUTAL and ultimately designed to cater to a more non-USA/EU viewership. Just saying that Cthullu may not be as relevant as their culture.

[@ace-daniel4240]

What a great video having such good build up. The moment it hit 10 min i knew it was cuthulu and bam thats what the video is about.

[@matthecat24]

I truly think he is in a contract with the death devil and the octopus devil because devil hunters can have multiple contracts at once and what makes the octopus so powerful is death itself

[@AD-ki5em]

The way you pointed how he lies so much, it makes it seem more like he’s the “Lies” devil, and that his power is whatever people believe it is

[@whirlwind872]

Seems like Yoshida would have the power to break peoples minds or inflict madness at a glance if he really had eldritch powers. But I do like this theory for sure

[@l99minaty]

he's obviousy got reason to make himself seem weaker than he really is, why would he use the totality of his ability. we're yet to see what he's truly capable of

[@vronji]

i wouldnt be surprised if he had a contract with an all-seeing devil similar to the control devil, since he's seemingly able to see everything thats happening.

[@DG-gx8pn]

I’ve always thought Kishibe wanted to stay blindfolded because of someone he loves is being killed right in front of him so ge didn’t want to see it happen.

[@willcacti8302]

This is probably the most interesting theory I’ve seen regarding the recent developments in part 2 and it’s very relevant. Because Yoshida survived part 1 and is playing a more active role even though he acts so laid back throughout it. It’s very consistent with his character so far but because he’s got more of a presence this time around the way he’s acting now prompts suspicion. We know that Famine is an antagonist in this setting and that Yoshida and his organization are another factor in this story, but with the way things are progressing it seems like Yoshida’s organization is shaping up to be not as regular or normal compared to the devil hunting agency.

[@RaditionRadish]

I thought Yoshida might play a larger role in part 2, not because I'm good at telling what's going to happen but because we bought some blind bag chainsaw man keychains about a year ago and got him. Characters that played a bigger role wasn't an option but he was.

[@silentsnapdragon]

2:30 I don't think Kishibe is worried about any harm coming to him in this situation, I think it's just him having an "ignorance is bliss" moment, which calls back to Quanxi telling him about the reporter and how she wishes she didn't learn all that information about her because she was never able see her the same way again

[@nadroq6320]

I'm here again due to chapter 173. It's very possible that we will see more of the nature of Yoshida's devil in the next few chapters

[@pukupukupaopao]

Yoshida's eyes is completely black(even in super close portrait) which really makes me curious. And Denji has also mentioned how Yoshida's eyes were weird. Also he mentions death devil at times. He really gives me Dazai vibe, what if he's the death devil? One of the 4 horseman? All 4 of them strayed apart and 3 of them (war, control and fami) has different goals to get their hands on pochita. But if Yoshida is death, and he has this sadistic or mischievous personality of trolling denji and others around by off handedly giving out hints to the point it seems like he's always joking and lying. He definitely has his own goal, probably different from the other 3 after him, it may be positive or negative or worse than them(?) It makes his character even more interesting. Nah, it goes so well with him, how it seems he has no interest in living or others lives, he doesn't blatantly say he wants to die, but it seems he's so nonchalant about it. Another theory of mine is, he really really isn't that crazy, he is what it is, octopus devil, but with critical thinking which gives him this mysterious and mischievous personality, he isn't meant to be taken too seriously, like Chuuya, author didn't think he would gain so much popularity and attention, despite being the strongest entity in the BSD universe, he has very few appearance, supposed to be a minor character, but he's literally the 2nd most famous character in the fandom after Dazai lmao Same way Arima Kishou in Tokyo Ghoul is op and plays a very small but significant, if not the craziest effect on the plot and Kaneki's life, being the 'One eyed owl' and joining Eto to create the peace among the 2 species. Same way Yoshida Hirofumi has already gained an attention and it will simply get bigger and bigger in the future, I'm pretty sure the anime watchers and the fandom will have a large amount of people who will be interested in his character. But he might not be that apparent in the plot as much as we are thinking or wishing.... Oh well, yes, either way we will end up getting trolled by Fujimoto-sensei in the end XD

[@CyberBadgerz]

I think Cosmos Devil kinda already covers what a "Cthulhu Devil" would represent

[@cookheadd]

this video made me feel like he could just be the 'unkown' devil. id say being cthulu seems like a stretch for me but the tentacles could represent the unknown creatures and life in the deep sea. i just think its unlikely that a very major charater would be based of another fictional work and just think that the unknown devil would make more sense seeing as he has unknown information

[@oldschoolvilli2966]

I think maybe, just maybe Yoshida's devil is not an octopus devil, it can be Kraken devil which explains the fear of Kraken, and his overwhelming strength.

[@cilqnx]

I really love this theory but I think Yoshida knows Just as much as Kishibe because Kishibe has told him, in fact Kishibe states that Yoshida is stronger/has more potential than Kishibe himself. Also the organization Yoshida works for probably tells him just as much as Kishibe knows. This would make sense seeing as he knows about the 4 horseman and chainsaw mans ability to erase anything he eats. Kishibe didn't want to see Quanxi dead/die because he loved her and that is proven in a omake/side story. Yoshida also avoided major injury from Quanxi by redirecting her attacks which probably led to heavy bruises and scrapes.

[@nohorny5372]

that cthulhu bomb shell drop me off guard

[@HidinginPublic]

Take cover

[@stormoftara]

I was thinking he was the fear of the depths. We don't know what lies at the bottom of the ocean, besides brief glances of creatures that seem otherworldly. But like that's basically the same concept of Cthullu (is that how you spell it?) But I agree with your points! I'm rereading the Manga right now because I feel like there are so many little things I've missed and this whole thing with Yoshida is just one of them

[@kashifreza1993]

Ocean devil !!

[@Ilostbestgirltoacar]

Chuhulu makes sense, like he is a big octopus monster, so the octopus devil would be a good cover

[@r3x85]

If Yoshida was the death devil then how does he have a contract? Devils can't make contracts with other devils

[@r3x85]

@No, that's wrong. ok

[@jna9197]

Goddamn I love that theory about Yoshida’s secret contract. Favorite I’ve heard, hands down.

[@otohikoamv]

This is a really cool analysis, thanks for pointing at all the flags that Yoshida brings up. My own suspicion is that he's still likely the Death Devil - not because of the name, but because of his positioning in the story. He's clearly being positioned as at least equal to the other three Horsemen (Control, Famine, War), and they've all oddly avoided touching him despite him being right there in front of them. Him asking Denji about eating the Death Devil seems more to evaluate him on whether he's the threat. I'm not sure, but... the fact we haven't seen Death and Yoshida's behaviour around the other Horsemen makes me wonder. He's either their equal (and therefore Death) or someone even more powerful (but then where is Death, and why would something more powerful appear first?) My real question though is... what the heck happened in hell that the four horsemen, described as the strongest of all the devils, are suddenly in the normal world (and Control was apparently thrown back out of hell pretty much immediately after being killed as Makima)? Especially since Chainsaw wasn't in hell at the time - it begs the question of what in hell was able to defeat all of them and throw them out into the normal world.

[@ScaryBurgers]

I just always assumed control was so hated by the other devils that as soon as they reincarnated back into hell they were just ganged up on and killed right away which is why they chose the form of a child on earth bc they were still a child

[@jjjjjjaylon]

He’s not the death devil. All four horseman are women. That is very obvious after Famie.

[@chucklenuts2294]

I thought devils/people could enter and exit hell via a contract with the hell devil. Santa Claus uses the hell devil to send everyone to hell during the international assassins arc. The hell devil also shows up during pochita’s fight with Makima. Its safe to assume that powerful and intelligent devils like the 4 horsemen can use the hell devil to get out of hell.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

@@jjjjjjaylon well the last could still be male but it is pretty likely they're all women

[@jjjjjjaylon]

@@Dell-ol6hb what are the odds the control devil comes back as a girl

[@oscarrodriguez4012]

Big fan of the video. Wasn't sure where you were going throughout and was pretty hyped up at the reveal. Not completely convinced but still entertained.

[@SeiryuNanago]

Kishibe and Yoshida probably both heard that Makima finished cutting their heads but Kishibe didn't remove his mask because he wanted no part in all this.

[@GINGI9519]

I need yoshidas And kobenis devil contracts to be revealed they're scary

[@realquirky]

And here I was just digging my next homoerotic ship between Yoshida and Denji.

[@HidinginPublic]

Well now you can add in some eldrich horror to spice up the fanon

[@makingtheband990]

Yoshida's devil if it isn't just the octopus devil i think is more likely Kraken Devil than Cthulu

[@papaxota4725]

I think you may have misinterpreted the situation with Kishibe not wanting to take his blindfold off after quanxi was killed. It is implied that he didnt want to see quanxi dead body because they were partners in the past and he even had a crush on her.

[@RajSingh-uw2xv]

While your theory seems interesting and i enjoyed listening to it. I also think yoshida is sus for all reasons you mentioned, but i think the panel where kishibe says "he doesn't wanna see anything" signifies quanxi told him about her beliefs "Ignorance is bliss".

[@BobbinRobbin777]

He's literally the #1 fan-favorite character in Part 2. What more is there to say?

[@retubishnoi1997]

Yoshida always knows everyone's pinpoint location because of octopus tentacle excessive sensive capabilities octopus can sense things around him but being octopus devil this sense is enhanced so he can pinpoint everyone's location

[@retubishnoi1997]

And I also have a theory that is she gave up part of his defence and durability because he got hit pretty easily by quoxi and down place strength because he lost durability in his muscles but a little bit like 20 %

[@ultimatrix139]

I'm not sure if it will turn out to be true but this is a dope theory. I always Liked Yoshida he was one of my favorite characters even though he was a pretty minor one, but I hope he plays an even bigger part in the story later on!

[@ozymandias512]

It could be, however Cthulhu is a god that represent chaos more than the unknown in Lovecraft stories, the unknown is instead a much more common trait to every entity in the genre of the cosmic horror, so if this was a reference I don't think he would stretch things this much. However, I don't think this is a reference, it is much more probable that he has contracted more than one devil and that he is showing only the octopus

[@master_of_nonsense]

In the beginning, Aki Hayakawa said to Denji and his fellow devil hunters; "Don't reveal your devil contract in public, you shouldn't share that with anyone you don't trust." Yoshida lying about his devil contract and revealing that his devil is Cthulhu, and that his goal is to have Denji eat the Death devil reminds me of Mad Poet Abdul Alhazred's famous quote; "That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die." if this is true, CSM is on it's way to becoming Kino

[@freezaaaa]

No wonder why beezlbub looks like yoshida in record of Ragnarok

[@pbtenchi]

Kidhibe didn’t want to take off his mask because he didn’t want to see Quanxi’s corpse.

[@a_jerry808]

What if Denji is The Family Dog and The 4 Horsemen are beefing because Makima fed Yoru's toys to Pochita and she wants them back.

[@chrisg5219]

It would be really cool if Death was a man to further distinguish him from the other siblings which should be the case. It also really made me suspicious when he was able to kill the Immortal brother instantly like that. Edit: HOLY SHIT I KNEW IT BRO I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT WAS CTHULHLU AND HE'D BE MAKING AN APPEARANCE IN CSM.

[@ShinyFood]

well octopus arent scary but they are really smart so that has to count for something

[@mccwick]

Rather than a specific creature I think that the fear of the Unknown or the fear of Madness is simply being represented by that famous creature of unknowability and madness.

[@aarona5111]

dope theory. my jaw dropped at your reveal lmao

[@shiwakao]

yeah i was also thinking could be kraken. this seems way more plausible than him being the death devil but i do wonder what he gave up for a contract w fuckin cthulhu. additionally, i could also see octopus being a catch all for tentacle-related creatures mythical or not but then again as u pointed out some of the devils do get pretty specific.

[@vlad_ussr8390]

Before the video continues. This made me think that yoshida could've made a contract/is a fiend of/is the devil, of either the fear of the unknown or fear of eldritch horrors/space horror.

[@Electronica27]

7:12 I was about to argue that Denji does know and that's why he eats Makima, but he literally eats Makima for a different reason, something about the "becoming one" which he thinks is literally eating her. So interesting that he didn't even know about this ability, and Denji has no idea what Yoshida is talking about.

[@xdnova03]

iirc he doesnt call it the octopus devil he just calls it octopus the same way denji calls pochita pochita i think its just a nickname and hes got the cuthulu devil or smaybe something grander like the cosmic horror devil

[@xdnova03]

ok i made that comment before finishing the video you got to the same conclusion i did

[@reruarikushiteru]

I swear, when he appeared in part 2 it has been so long since I saw him in part 1 that I genuinely thought he's a new character. Only when going back did I realize "damn, he was there before"

[@HidinginPublic]

Nah me too, when people said he was part 1 I thought he was the scar guy from Kyoto at first lol

[@MrDoctorJudge]

Specifically on the Shark vs. Octopus thing (lmao): I think Fujimoto plays a little loose with the "fear makes devils stronger" thing. Beam probably should have been stronger since sharks are a pretty widely feared animal (even if it's partially irrational), but I think Fujimoto also goes with what seems interesting and/or cool.

[@aussieboy4279]

Great theory! Yoshida is such an interesting character I’m excited to see what Fujimoto does with him. I just wanted to say I think it’s interesting that the only time we’ve seen Yoshida break his cool calm demeanour so far is with Denji, when he is left speechless that Denji wants his identity to be revealed to get a girlfriend. Could be wrong but I think what this moment is setting up is that there will probably be a conflict between Yoshida and Denji and Denji will probably win which is kinda a no brainer but I think this moment is setting up early on how Denji is the only person that can confuse and break Yoshida’s normal persona.

[@Jobrosfan44]

since fujimoto was bewildered at his popularity, imagine if he only wrote him in part 2 just to kill him off

[@thisis_303]

The editing in this video was so good!

[@venomsnake4042]

We still have no idea which devil Kobeni is contracted with. Hope we get to see her more in Part 2

[@cosmicbuttmonkey1862]

Kobeni has 8 sisters. For a total of nine- nine circles of hell- nine lives of a cat. Her car is pale green. The color of the Death horseman’s in the Bible. It’s weird… that she survives PT1. She survives Darkness Devil, even getting both her arms back. Where Angel, who should regenerate as he’s a devil doesn’t. Full power Chainsawman comes to save her after she asks to be saved… literally a chapter after Makima establishes that he saves devils that ask him to save them. Makima states that Kobeni is important to everything. Immediately before throwing a busted 1000 year usage angel spear at her. Her discussion with Denji includes her stressing how terrified she is of dying, while also stressing how miserable life can be. Besides Denji she is the lone survivor of division 4. Introduced in an arc where the 4 characters besides her and Denji all die. She holds up 4 fingers when they first discover Eternity. Her hair clips are effectively 4 dashes right on her four head. (I believe) she also has 4 miles. 4 is the number of Death in Eastern cultures and Death is the FOURTH horseman. Her eyes are weird. Only her family seems to have them. It’s weird that she is so skilled. People around her die constantly. When Yoshida goes into his spiel about the death devil in the aquarium we see Kobenis brother(?) in the panel where he says he has made his peace with death. Kobeni and maybe her entire family are Sus as hell and very possibly related to Death somehow. (Probably through contract, my crack theory is that Death is her Mother)

[@venomsnake4042]

@@cosmicbuttmonkey1862 Gonna be mad if Kobeni turns out to be the final boss and Denji has to kill her

[@HidinginPublic]

She's contracted with my heart, bc I love her

[@enragedvideogameman2974]

I mean I would like the idea of yoshida being death devil

[@CumuloWinter]

Yoshida's devil could also be the kraken devil, even though people aren't scared of octopuses nowadays, the fear for krakens must have been pretty strong back in the navigation days of humankind

[@kashifreza1993]

I got a bigger theory the The Ocean devil ! One of the biggest primal fear to mankind . The Dark deep blue sea.

[@CumuloWinter]

@@kashifreza1993 I like that as much as a kraken devil!

[@PwnerGeist]

You saying my Mannsz got the eldritch troof?

[@BushFries]

Kishibe didn't take his blindfold off because he was in love with Quanxi, not because it was too risky. The whole point of the section where it showed him hitting on her when they were younger was to build to this.

[@Thisstufferguy]

Oh please, you severely underestimate the power of an octopus.