The Greatest V8 Ever Was Built In Just 90 Days

[@rarecars3336]

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[@playanddisplay3636]

The newer Ford 6.2L V-8 is actually very similar to the original SOHC 427. Not sure why the aftermarket never picked up on this since it was available in the Raptors.

[@shanegamble3746]

I have a Ford factory service manual for this engine. Fortunately, aftermarket blocks and heads are available to recreate them stronger than the original.

[@rogerdavis4272]

Actually the greatest V8, of all tine, is the Ford Cosworth V8. It won everything: F1, Indy, Le Mans etc.

[@camshaftcasting1451]

Too right!

[@GaryJonrd]

Cosworth is 💯% better engine

[@Rypsolisti]

Yes! The DFV!

[@BillSmith-fx7xx]

I think you missed the whole point of the story. Also, the Cosworth was a total different development. Kinda apples and oranges.

[@Axeman428]

NASCAR has had a ban on overhead cam engines I guess because they hate anything they don’t understand. They have always discouraged engine development because they want to turn NASCAR into an IROC series. Stock cars come with overhead cams now, at least the best ones do. The OHV is 1940s tech. It’s time to let the modern engines in stock car racing. There’s NOTHING stock about stock car racing, like when it started. They are ALL modified with one off parts that don’t even come on a stock car. MAKE NASCAR GREAT AGAIN. Let them boys do their thing with the engines that are available in stock cars. That would stop a lot of unnecessary crashes and save billions of dollars. NASCAR has gotten completely out of control. I love racing but I hate crashes. It’s nothing but a high speed demolition derby now. Senseless carnage and mayhem with the best cars and drivers not even getting a chance to finish a race because of the stupidity of NASCAR. They should have known better than to let it get so crazy and out of control. It is sickening to watch all the crashes and wasted money on what was once the greatest sport on the planet. Now they just crash out and the few left are just lucky but the some of the best cars and drivers never have a chance with the rules and some of the fools that are allowed to drive in this sport. If you are the grandson of one of these big shots you are in like Flint but that does not make you a driver, it just causes more carnage. Maybe just start a different series and let NASCAR do its thing, running modifieds and going so fast they have to put restrictor plates on them cutting acceleration and the ability to pass. INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My stock coyote will run 200mph so they really don’t need a $100,000 engine to do it. If someone had the money and reasoning to do it, NASCAR would be forgotten in 10 years and billions of dollars would not be wasted on a demolition derby for $250,000 automobiles. WTF are they thinking with?………………………………………….

[@rickhibdon11]

427 SOCK? Really? Side note. June 1970 I graduated from high school. Folks had an open house. And my favorite weird relative showed up. He was short, heavy set, and talk mildly. All the men were talking about the new Ford Cammer that had been eating up Nascar. Art said, "Yeah, I've got one in my new LTD". And everyone laughed at him. You CAN'T have one in your 1970 LTD! They were never put in production vehicles. Art said, "Well...... maybe you're right. I better take a look".. He walked over, popped the hood and said "Is THAT what they look like?" Jaws dropped! He was that kinda guy

[@skeezix8156]

The perfect sleeper. Those LTD’s were like a grandpa Cougar back then

[@ThunderAppeal]

No one cares about your life you imbecile.

[@robertghorne8607]

427 sohc

[@waynedaigle3565]

AI…I hate it!

[@justinreel-t8g]

The sohc had 6ft of timing chain! I couldn’t imagine setting the timing on 😂

[@williamstel9330]

When I was in high school and jr. College i was a serious Ford man and the Cammer was the top like the GT 40 or the Datona Coupe, or the Cobra, or the 255 Indy Ford. The 60's were a great time for Ford, the Cammer made all Ford men proud.

[@NYRNJD1987]

To bad ford was best friends with hitler hey

[@daveanseth7999]

Ford really had it together with the 427 SOHC. But Ford had an amazing V8 DOHC engine back in the 1940's, the GAA -1100 cubic inches of tank engine.

[@ericanderson2987]

That Engine Also had a Flat-plane Crankshaft.

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

daveanseth Henry Ford designed that engine originally as a 1650 cu in V12 aircraft engine with fuel injection and supercharged, but the USAF would not buy it so when a tank engine was needed it was cut down to a 1100 cuIn V8 and put in Sherman tanks for WWII some 26,000 were made and were the best engine option in the Sherman !!!!

[@pashakdescilly7517]

The GAA was closely derived from the Rolls Royce Merlin. BTW The British used a non-supercharged version of the Merlin in the Centurion tank. Surely the Ford-Cosworth DFV is a far greater engine than the 427 ohc. It was the dominant engine in F1 from 1968 to the early 1980s and was also successful in other race categories.

[@ThunderAppeal]

Shut up youre boring and ignorant.

[@galaxie5003]

Yes but it wasn't turning 7,500 rpm 😊

[@ivanhorban340]

I love the animated V8 illustration with the split crankshaft allowing two cylinders to rotate, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise! The 1940s GAA V8 and V12 were beautiful designs.

[@travislostaglia8861]

I believe all 427’s had cross bolted main cap’s and the late 406’s had them also

[@brianhalberg131]

There were non-cross bolted 427 blocks, however these were likely never installed in cars from the factory. Most were used as industrial stationary engines.

[@michaellauer3397]

Some 427’s weren’t cross-bolted, but had the machine work done where the holes would be.

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

Which 427 wasn't crossbolted? ​@michaellauer3397

[@mugeldavid4607]

The V8 animation is my all time favorite so far: two counterrotating crankshafts in one single engine, a technical marvel!

[@oybekjumaniyozov6417]

That is for balancing purposes. Just like in helicopters with two rotors. It is so powerful that the torque, if not counteracted, would flip the car.

[@viking4130]

My buddy has an original 427 cammer fully built on an engine stand waiting to be dropped into the 1964 Falcon he is building to take the size and horsepower. His Falcon is being built for one thing, quarter mile speed. It's gonna be a BEAST.

[@Nafeels]

Legend has it that Chrysler’s threat of making their own DOHC heads for their 426 HEMIs was responsible for NASCAR to ban both the Cammer and the HEMI outright. Chrysler’s “Doomsday device” as I recall. Also, the “aggressive timing” mentioned in this video is an understatement. It’s choppy, and loud, and mean, and will absolutely intimidate anyone unlucky enough to race with it.

[@jesseduke694]

That engine never made it out of proto type. It's not a real engine. Nascar wasn't changing rules for a engine that was as real as a unicorn.

[@chuckselvage3157]

That ended up being a bluff. Anyway Chrysler won and got their hemi, but it wasn't all beer and skittles Ford went back to the 427 side oiler and developed the tunnel port heads and were quite successful.

[@jesseduke694]

@chuckselvage3157 At one point, I believe a few yrs later down the road sometime in the early 70's, maybey just after ford introduced the 429 Boss engine, Oldsmobile had developed their own hemi engine that folks believe might have been a pretty good engine but again, just like the DOHC Hemi, it never made it past proto type. For the olds engine I believe they shut it down becouse of the times & rule changes made it just not practical to continue with? But much like the experimental hemi, one can only assume it was good? We have no numbers or any run time or test time for either? No numbers have ever been posted. As far as we know these engines never even saw a track anywere? If they did, the companies have never released any of that info. With the Chrysler engine, im sure if they had numbers they would have been blasting them everywhere beecouse the war between ford & Chrysler was as real as it gets & simply winning on track alone wasn't enuf for either company, they pushing propaganda simply sway public opinion as much as they could! Marketing was a big business!

[@BrianCampbell-m9p]

​@@jesseduke694GM did do some crazy r&d in the 60's but had a racing ban due to anti-trust bandwagon in Washington. It is some crazy stuff

[@f4udhorn]

@@jesseduke694 Well, I believe the 500 units produced makes it more than a prototype!

[@Mgreen0104]

Pontiac built several overhead cam and dual overhead cam engines. Like the Pontiac 428 Dual overhead cam engine! It was also built in the 1960’s. They knew something obviously.

[@stevejohnson6858]

Aside from reliability issues and getting replacement parts, it definitely was a great motor. And it arguably did much better in drag racing than the later Boss 429 motor, which didn't do well in Pro Stock.

[@JR-ho5qm]

It’s kinda cool how the Ford V8s of today share the overhead Cam history of the past. They even have that similar wide look to them. 👍🏻

[@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443]

Not just a wide look, they are actually substantially much wider than a pushrod engine.

[@slowstang88]

​@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 Thanks cpt. Obvious

[@aerialcat1]

Check out the Ford GAA engine from WWII; it’s an all aluminum 1100 inch dual overhead cam, Ford had been playing with that idea for awhile. ✌

[@mistred69]

It's just to bad that Ford can't get it through their heads that there is no replacement for displacement. Do away with 5 liters and got to at least 6 and then they would be able to beat the competition.

[@slowstang88]

@mistred69 It takes Dodge and Chevy WAY more displacement. I'd say Ford is doing well with smaller displacement. My 2016 F150 with coyote rolls out on 5.7 Rams and 5.3 Silverados.

[@chadkent1241]

Connie Kalitta and Don Prudhomme, both earned 1966 NHRA victories in dragsters powered by supercharged versions of the Ford 427 SOHC engine running on nitromethane fuel. Kalitta drove his Bounty Hunter entry into the winners’ circle at the season-opening Winternationals at Pomona, Calif., while Prudhomme prevailed at the Springnationals at Bristol, Tenn., in Carroll Shelby’s Super Snake entry powered by the same engine. At the 1967 NHRA Springnationals held at Bristol. Prudhomme posted the fastest qualifying time and became the first top fuel driver to break into ‘6s at a NHRA national meet and the first to break 220 mph (6.99 @220mph). He also ran sub-7second times in three of four elimination runs (shut off early when opponent fouled in the other run). Prudhomme beat fellow Ford driver Pete Robinson in the final. There's plenty of other classes (AFX Gas Rhonda, Ohio George Montgomery A/GS 4 championships, Dyno Don Nicholson match racing) and others that also utilized the Cammer and beat the best Chrysler and GM had to offer. Now, i love the cammer, but it is no longer the Ford goat. Both, the Coyote and 4.6 4V have been both quicker and faster in the 1/4 on oe cast engines. 6.50 @ 221 mph is the best paas with a SOHC and the Coyote has been 6.26 @ 228mph and the 4.6 4V has been 5.88 @ 256mph. Also, the 5.4L 4V in the Ford GT holds the standing mile world record 300.4 mph. New-school twin cam Fords are now the king of oe engines.....and no, the LS and HEMI in oe cast form has not touched the previous milestones.

[@billyvandervoet7080]

No factory 4.6 single or factory 4v 4.6 has ever ran in the 6’s!!! The Coyotes have been but they are not the same blocks as the early 4.6 blocks!!! Just saying

[@camshaftcasting1451]

@@chadkent1241 GM's DOHC 4-Banger "ECOTEC" has been 5.82 on stock head and block castings in a door car ... so there's that for the Modular/Coyote guys to aspire to ...

[@opprometheus]

If I'm not mistaken, it was Ed Pink who solved the issue of stretch from that six foot timing chain. The camshafts on the right and left bank had different profiles to compensate for the timing chain stretch. There is a YT video out there where he talks about it.

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

Sneaky Pete Robinson made the gear drive ,eliminated the chain. He won Top Fuel Championship in 66

[@LanceisLawson]

In the late 60's every cammer I saw raced was victorious. Cammers could shake the ground even more than the Hemi's could.

[@krisjato]

I'm 110% Mopar through and through so I'm a Hemi guy but I can still acknowledge the greatness of this engine. They made tons of power in every configuration and had success in every application they were used in. Definitely one of the greatest V8's of all time! Thanks for the great video!

[@cdjhyoung]

The Ford SOHC engine is never referred to as the Sohc engine as a single word. It is the 'Single Overhead Cam' engine.

[@jototro]

Exactly.

[@camshaftcasting1451]

@@cdjhyoungRe: "... never referred to". "Never" is an overused word in marriages and on the internet. It may be incorrect or offensive to afficionados but there are legions of "heretics" out there referring to this lump as a "sock" motor, including people in the Ford POEE office!

[@camshaftcasting1451]

@@cdjhyoung It certainly *is* referred to by many as a SOCK engine, even inside POEE building! Heretical it may be but "never" it ain't.

[@kennycarter8179]

As a kid who grew up in Downey CA I recall Helen Sachs & Sons XFX 1964 Mercury Comet, driven by Jack Chrisman. I bought a couple cars from Sachs & Sons they use to have memorabilia from this drag racing era in the parts dept. I've read a few stories on the involvement of Helen Sachs with drag racing in this time period.

[@Detectivebullitt]

The bottom line is , Bill France was a chevy guy. And since chevy could not win on their own merits , he outlawed anything chevy could not beat. This is part of the reason GM suspended factory racing . It was bad enough Chrysler & Ford was kicking the crap out of chevy , but when Pontiac was also , that was the last straw for GM.

[@Bob-v8b3i]

Bollocks.

[@NYRNJD1987]

Just remember louis chevrolet wasnt best bros with hitler like henrey was lol

[@Detectivebullitt]

@@Bob-v8b3i Well , if you were in the states you could find all the truth in the libraries. You may not want to hear the truth , but there it is.

[@alfredstewart5107]

Thats all great except the GM racing ban was before the sohc existed

[@davereiland9921]

I’m already a ford guy, you don’t have to sell me on it.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

It's a shame that more weren't built. Especially since so many were destroyed by race teams.

[@GTFour]

You can easily build one literally today using brand new after market modern manufactured copy of the head and timing gear etc that just bolts to a normal 427 block

[@Zzus321]

Race on Sunday,Sell on Monday 🏁

[@davidstephenson7251]

That's a nascar thing

[@danquinnell3502]

@@davidstephenson7251I think it’s actually win on Sunday sell on Monday…

[@wphh7272]

Can’t respond 😅@@davidstephenson7251 Correct…many

[@wphh7272]

Yt fukdup

[@keithbenson4915]

I thought it was win on Sunday sell on Monday.

[@watsondove849]

Cosworth has 176 Formula One (F1) victories, ranking third among engine suppliers behind Ferrari and Mercedes. The Cosworth DFV engine was a key factor in Ford's success in F1, and is considered one of the greatest privateer engines ever

[@rickhunter6479]

what a beautiful era 😢😢😢😢

[@petepeterson5337]

3:16 Many of us facepalmed when we saw the animation. A few of us commented on it because we couldn't just let it go.

[@mdavisyates]

Who stole my lifters!!?

[@oybekjumaniyozov6417]

That is a neat animation indeed

[@CJColvin]

Wish the Cammer V8 was made into production

[@jesseduke694]

It was made into production. It just was never made into a production car. It was sold at ford as a over the counter high rev, race ready, replacment engine for your new ford car! It was sold in 1965 & 1966. Chrysler guys go on about the double over head cammed hemi but that engine never even made it out of proto type. Nobody was ever able to buy one of them!! Its a just a unicorn legend for Chrysler guys. It's all they had for a answere when ford made the cammers available.

[@PaulBierce]

@@jesseduke694 You make it sound like the Cammer was available to the average Joe at the Ford parts counter. Was this the case? I've always gotten the impression it was a the kind of equipment that was only sold to select teams and individuals within Ford's racing orbit. I'd imagine they were insanely expensive, making them unobtainable to the average public.

[@jesseduke694]

@@PaulBierce truthfully, I dont know if a average Joe technically had enuf money could buy one or not? I believe they were advertised that way? Becouse they did have that saying of it being a replacement race engine. They never was a car produced out the door with a cammer. So there is no vin number on a car that would ever have a engine code that was a cammer for original equipment. But I do believe they were advertised as a over the counter replacement ford part. But were they actually available??? Idk??

[@CJColvin]

​@jesseduke694 Wish you can get a 427 SOHC Cammer V8 crate engine for you're Canadian Fords and Mercuries as well like the Meteor Montcalm, Meteor Rideau, Monarch Lucerne, Monarch Richelieu. Heck even the Edsel would be badass with the 427 SOHC Cammer V8 in it.

[@mpetersen6]

Just think of what it would be like if the Pontiac and Olds OHC and DOHC V-8s had gone into limited production.

[@micodyerski1621]

Go to any local car show, u c small blocks n big blocks. If u c a Cammer, that fluff is huge. 😮 that it was made at all is awesome

[@micodyerski1621]

800lbs with cast iron, long tube, headers!!!!

[@michaellauer3397]

I didn’t graduate from high school till 76, working in a Ford dealer in 1978. I bought two SOHC motors out of Livonia and sold them for $3600.00 each

[@rarecars3336]

WOW how did you get your hands on them?

[@michaellauer3397]

@@rarecars3336 just a phone call… There was a Chevrolet parts guy in San Antonio that had several he got from his Dad. Mine came from Livonia, Mi

[@nunyabizznizz7326]

my brother was a ford guy and put one in a 19' southwind tunnel jetboat.....that boat realy moved out, a true 100mph river boat

[@baronoflivonia.3512]

In the mid 60's I was able to attend many of the "Sunday Shows" at Ford Engineering on Michigan Ave. Met many racers of day in every class FoMoCo was involved with as Grand dad was in high spot at Dyno Lab, he wore shirt & tie always under Lab Coat. I was able to view the GT 500's coming back to Dearborn after Le Mans at one of those Sunday events. He retired in 75 as head of dyno lab and I miss him always.

[@ThunderAppeal]

Do you get paid in giant bags of rice or chickens for every fake post you make?

[@kellybikeco]

dude, thank you for this video! i was beside myself as to what an amazing engine this was... had no idea.

[@DelEast740]

This was made right after the y block. Talk about ahead of their time

[@BoostedMaverick]

LS blah blah blah, we’re talking about an engine from the 60 s bringing $45k to $140 k and an LS you can find in a dumpster

[@StoopidSmith323]

Is being cheep is a positive. More power+less money=better motor

[@IridiumRedTheOrigina]

Yeah, but there are LOTS of dumpsters around!! 427 SOHC is an awesome motor, wish things had gone differently, a lot more history could have been written with them, but.... more of a museum piece then anything else now. Just not enough of them. Never were EDITED TO ADD - I didn't realize you could buy all new 427 SOHC motors now. Thats pretty cool! BUT... the $ figure just puts them out of reach of so many people, they're still mainly a museum piece. If you have one, its still more about history / heritage than performance... I think BOTH the LS and SOHC motors are great in their own way, glad there are both :)

[@NYRNJD1987]

Why do ford people always get cancer in there 60's

[@troycarpenter3675]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@zztop7306]

You're telling me an engine made in relatively small numbers is less common and more expensive than a series of engines that's been mass produced since the 90s? Shocking!

[@deviantarsenal]

I've really enjoyed watching this channel lately! You're making awesome content with interesting topics! Keep up the good work brother.

[@JeffreyPerrault-hk6xe]

Going to hear drive was a huge help but the problem with the cammer was rebuilding it between rounds in top fuel.It took twice as much time to freshin it up between rounds as the Chrysler hemi.But as far as potential it had it over every big block out there.

[@danielrose8955]

One of my friends in high school sent me a picture of his auto shop classroom. I was speechless. There in the background were 6 Ford 427 SOHC motors sitting on engine stands. My friend had no idea what they were until I told him. He said they were just engines that the school has had for decades after getting them through a deal with Ford.

[@stephenvelden295]

The timing chain was the biggest problem with this engine, They would stretch putting each cam out of time. The chain also needed tensioning every 150 hours which is why this engine was never installed in a regular production car.

[@rickcunningham5581]

Racers also cam out with gear set to replace the long timing chain that worked well.

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

​@rickcunningham5581 Yes, it did. Sneaky Pete won the 66 Top Fuel Championship.

[@kurtbarrett6785]

Ha! No way... We just had that 1960 Starliner Nascar clone in our shop! I had the PITA job of installing an electric P/S kit on it, that was meant for a later Ford.

[@rustyshacklfort9508]

I’m a ford guy through and through but to call the 427 cammer the greatest engine is like saying the iPhone 1 was the greatest smartphone of all time. It was a glorified prototype.

[@kalnieminen65]

Well, they made over 500 units, so hardly a prototype. They held up to Nitro in basically stock form as well. At the time it was an engineering marvel

Thanks to Bill France.

[@P_RO_]

Bill France was the bully kid down the block who made you play with rules in his favor or he'd take his ball home and there would be no ball game at all. Nothing he hated more than someone doing what he didn't want done under his rules, which he'd then change so he could control everyone once again.

[@rexwoodward7858]

I have seen a genuine hot rod magazine that has a article about the cammer, which has a 64 Galaxie 4 door which has a cammer engine. It was the test mule that was that the engine was was installed. Said that the car was ludicrously fast thru 3/4 mile on the street tires and no mention of reliability problems on the road

[@andya857]

I have a 427 SOHC Chain and valves , and 1 melted valve cover .Useless but folks love them..Have a 67 gt scj 4 speed 4.30.A beast..

[@guywhite1004]

The engine that is shown in the lead-in to this video is Pete Robinson’s - along with Crane Cams he designed the gear train for the overhead cams which made the Cammer that much more bullet-proof than having the long timing chain. If that gear train had been mass produced that engine would have lasted much longer, in operation and in demand by racers. What a shame!

[@RonMcMahan-b2d]

It is the greatest engine ever built. John Kaase Racing reproduces them for around $67,000.00, depending on what you want to use them for.

[@ChristopherYoung-ec2lc]

Love the Cammers!

[@AndrewSchmier-dr5fy]

3:16 the elusive counter rotating crank weights :)

[@billshiff2060]

I worked for Lew Arrington who ran the "Brutus" funny car with Mustang body. He had an adapter made up to put Ford SOHC valve covers on a Chrysler Hemi head so it would look more like a Ford. Fun times.

[@wymple09]

Hardly the greatest V8 ever. The 7 foot timing chain alone destroys that myth.,

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

Sneaky Pete took care of that and took Top Fuel champion in 66.

[@wymple09]

@@jimmyhawkins5357 If you are referring to the Surfers, who was Sneaky Pete? The rail?

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

@@wymple09 Sneaky Pete Robinson made a gear drive that did away with the chain. He won 66 Top Fuel Champion NHRA

[@wymple09]

@@jimmyhawkins5357 Thanks. I never heard of him!

[@saludahead]

Hell yes I do! I love the Coyotes too!

[@jeromedenis4754]

YUP, it is. As a kid from the 50s. 60's it was tops.

[@rarecars3336]

A legendary motor for sure

[@rbell3109]

What a Beast

[@deltabravo5507]

The heritage of the current Coyote engine from Ford did not come through the Ford "cammer" but the through the relationship of Ford owning Jaguar, and copied from the AJ8. AJ26 engine was introduced in 1996. The number "26" comes from 12+6+8 (cylinders), because when the first ideas were sketched, a family of 6-, 8- and 12-cylinder engines was contemplated, although only the 8-cylinder version was produced, which lead to the AJ-V8 engines, which the Coyote is the result of.

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Wrong. The Coyote is an evolution of the Triton family, it's debut in late 1990. The DOHC 4.6 was in development by 1993, and was in production in late 1995. The Jag AJ was developed around the same time, but they share zero parts.

[@deltabravo5507]

@@jamesgeorge4874 I never said that the Coyote shared parts. The Ford "cammer" is old-style FE V8. The AJ-V8 was a Jaguar design made before Jaguar and Land Rover were bought by Ford. The engines were made in the Ford Bridgend Engine Plant. Petersen at Ford, then chief executive officer, sought to update Ford's decades-old V8 architectures, challenging Ford senior engineer Jim Clarke to develop a new V8 engine that would surpass Ford's earlier V8s in every meaningful way, and Clarke and his engineers studied engine designs from major European and Japanese automakers. In fact, the AJ-8 was utilized in autos that carried both the Lincoln and Ford name badges. However, as I said initially, it did not come through the older FE "cammer"...

[@tollefreyerson6710]

Yes. The 427 SOHC is definitely one of the greatest engines ever designed.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Did he actually say "overhead cams are too European"? Because that sounds just like a typical myth that would spread.

[@AntonHoward-mx9sb]

Racism lol

[@justinpoore2938]

It’s not a myth, who do you think mass produced the overhead cam engines and fuel injection first? Yep Europeans

[@radioguy1620]

Owned a few SOHC motors, all of them in Ford Escorts, one still running well at 397,000 miles. Might put an emblem on the fender one day.

[@Slaktrax]

The best V8 ever? Not by a long way.

[@manuwilson4695]

I wish that here in Australia the 427 Holden Monaro had been made a production car. Such a wasted opportunity!

[@davidjohnmiller4849]

GM boycotted nascar from 1962 until 1974.. way before both the Hemi and Ford’s 427/429’s ... GM never had anything capable of competing

[@stevejeffryes5086]

Bill France and NASCAR were in GM's pocket

[@07terrapin]

Still are

[@davidrayner9832]

I am at a total loss as to why America is so in love with pushrods. The 427 Cammer was outlawed, Chevy and Crysler still make pushrod engines, H-D and Indian motorcycles have pushrod engines and my beloved Ford only started making OHC engines not that long ago. When the Windsor engine was to be replaced, the Cleveland could've and should've had OHC back in the late '60s. Well, if any US car maker was to come kicking and screaming into the modern age, at least was Ford. Better late than never.

[@pashakdescilly7517]

Maybe the top end was designed in 90 days - but the 427 cammer is based on a 427 pushrod block and bottom end

[@jw4620]

One family should NOT control an entire sport.

[@markaussem8029]

I bought one in 1979. it was an amazing machine.

[@12onin_Gypsy]

Considering the mercury marine LS7 has a dohc setup and makes 200hp more from the same displacement There's no arguments about pushrod vs ohc

[@anvilsvs]

So why do you think Ford's new truck engine is pushrod? Pushrod V engines are smaller, lighter, have less mechanical friction, are less expensive to build, and work well at speeds you can use. When I was a kid I thought that DOHC engines that could run to 10,000 rpm were just to only thing to have. I was wrong.

[@12onin_Gypsy]

@@anvilsvs pushrod is good for low down torque, it works well in a truck, similar to sohc trucks that run three valves, it favours low end torque, which is what the audience (Americans) favour and want, so naturally you build to what the target market wants not what is actually best, in a car have 3000rpm of reliable torque is good for everyday driving and then being able to rev another 6000rpm of power for when you want fun is suitable, some people want that others want to have instant low end torque, depends all on the market but the DOHC setup, especially if it's a free valve will always be superior for power output per cube, that's just a fact.

[@anvilsvs]

@@12onin_Gypsy I also thought that power per cube was the end all of engine design. Turns out that it's really fuel consumption. And low rpm engines excel at that. It's a matter of matching piston speed to fuel burn rate in the combustion chamber. There's a reason why you see very overdrive gear ratios keeping engine speeds on the 1200-1500 rpm range at cruise now. I have run pushrod, SOHC and DOHC engines. One of the eye openers for me was comparing a 95 Roadmaster with a Chevy 350 making about 270HP to a DeVille 4.7 Northstar making slightly more. The Northstar has all of the hightech bells and whistles. The Roadmaster always got better gas mileage oin spite of being a larger car with nearly identical performance. Then I've got an 09 T&C 4.0 six speed SOHC four valve. It gets slightly lower mileage than the older 3.3 pushrod 4 speeds in earlier models. I don't feel too bad about it because it has 250HP vs. the 150HP of the earlier model, but still---. And then you get into turbo 3 cylinders with variable valve timing, direct injection, and ten speeds. Yes, they get better mileage, but the cost of building and servicing them is greater than any fuel savings you'll ever see. But the EPA isn't concerned about total cost of ownership. They are only focused on fuel consumption and damn the cost.

[@12onin_Gypsy]

@@anvilsvs I would agree but you're talking about different euro emission engines so you cannot compare them, a pushrod engine has its place as does a dohc engine 🤷 depends on the application.

[@anvilsvs]

@@12onin_Gypsy You are exactly correct that it depends on the application. Europe still has tax laws written for the archaic idea that displacement equates to fuel consumption. The idea was that smaller engines meant lower fuel consumption. All other things being equal that is the case. But if you compare a 1 liter engine making 200HP to a 2 liter engine making 200HP you'll find that the slower running 2 liter will have lower fuel consumption. As well as much longer life. Italy was always the best illustration of this. There it was cheaper to have a 500cc engine that you threw away in 5 years than a 1000cc engine making the same power which lasted for 10 years. Then you had the British system of "Taxable HP" based on piston surface area which resulted in very long stroke engines which couldn't survive running at really high rpm.

[@2011joser]

There have been so many great v8s calling any one of them "the greatest" is strictly a matter of opinion. Calling a Ford cammer v8 a sock is the second strike. Missing the point of overhead cams is the third. Overhead cams are used to reduce the mass/inertia of the valve train and allow higher rpm while using lighter springs. Removing the push rods also frees up port design.

[@artheis1342]

I recently had my 49 Ford original 8BA Flathead V8 rebuilt stock w/ new .10 over pistons. I was shocked when I accidently did a burnout in it. So there.

[@KILLERBLACK5000]

ABSOLUTLEY THE BEST ENGINE EVER MADE!!!!

[@MrGGPRI]

except for the timing chain of course; an engine designed for long term reliability always uses gears.

[@leonardoatx3]

The best V-8 Ever

[@stevenmitchell6347]

Ford should have put the Cammer into limited edition Galaxy's and homologated them. I guarantee that GM and Chrysler would have developed their own versions and Bill France would not have any excuses left for banning them.

[@bobbybishop5662]

Really need to break this into two categories. Stock block production engines and pure dedicated non production line racing engines. My winners would be the Ford Cosworth DFV for dedicated racing engines and the SBC for production stock block engines.

[@hughjass1044]

I really hope my house doesn't catch fire right now. I'm binge watching Rare Cars so not able to leave. If my neighbor's home, hopefully he'll call the fire department for me.

[@jimmyhawkins5357]

Connie Kalitta said he wished Ford would have continued the SOHC program because he thought the engine had great potential. Sneaky Pete Robinson made a gear drive that did away with the long chain. He clinched Top Fuel Champion in 66.

[@floridamankyle5461]

Shout out to Ed Pink and his Awesome Cammer Engines, he is a MASTER of the 427 SOHC with his decades experience in Drag Racing, I have the model.of this engine and I WILL one day own either this engine, or a car with one in it.

[@jeffp862]

What your missing in this story is that Pontiac with its 421 super duty in 63 absolutely embarrassed Chevy, ford , dodge , Ferrari Porsche and everyone else at Daytona w its bars azz tempest. -the response was a racing ban at GM and of course Chevy didn’t adhere to it at all used COPO to get around it. But that’s why everyone else kicked their engine programs into overdrive for 64. It’s also when GM put the handcuffs on Pontiac for the future and restricted them every thing they had a special engine program. Like the ram air V rods fiasco.

[@rarecars3336]

That pontiac motor is going to be the topic of a future video so stay tuned!

[@davidbryce6970]

Let it be remembered that Ford had a lot of R&D during WW2 with the Ford GAA overhead camshaft V8 tank engine.

[@Joshua_N-A]

And that thing was a 32-valve DOHC. Come to think of it, the 1980's would've been the best time for Ford to showcase OHC engines. Imagine DOHC Lima 2.3 in the Capri and Foxbody Mustang especially the SVO. Not only that, a DOHC 200cu inline 6 and a SOHC 255 and 302.

[@jesseduke694]

I believe they banned the ford 427 high riser as well in 65. That limited ford to only run the 427 medium riser.

[@erikalston4496]

427 Tunnel port replaced the Hi riser

[@jesseduke694]

@@erikalston4496 but not in 65. They didn't allow the tunnel port until they allowed the hemi. Becouse the tunnel port breaths much like the hemi. It just has wedge combustion chambers.

[@f4udhorn]

The racing sanctioning bodies of racing through rules changes was always trying to slow Fords down, mostly by adding weight!

[@P_RO_]

Which wasn't all bad because the medium riser heads make for a better street engine. Ford knew that Joe Public didn't want a real race engine which only began making power at 5000 RPMs. They developed the tunnel port heads for race usage to keep everyone happy.

[@JoshTolbertUrbana]

Bill France always favored GM; that's why you almost never saw GM get penalized or banned from running anything in NASCAR. I wish Ford had continued SOHC development with the 385-series engines. By the time the 427 SOHC came around, everyone saw the writing on the wall for the FE engines.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Ford's 427 SOHC was the only engine ever Banned Outright by Nascar* *It was Developed for Nascar. Then Drag Raced when they weren't allowed by Nascar.* *It was not Designed as a Drag Racing Engine. It was a Nascar Engine adapted for Drag Racing.*

[@deanhil3978]

Well, as the owner of it's cousin, the 4.6 DOHC, all i can say is FOMOCO baby!

[@earth-friendlytreefarms4824]

Not disparaging the venerable 427 SOHC, but the GAA was the Greatest FORD V8 ever built... except for the odd-fire timing, which gave it it's distinctive throaty sound. They should have used a split crank-pin, but the metallurgy wasn't there yet in 1940 for such a powerful Beast.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Classic yes. If Ford had brought out the 385 series engines just a little earlier, it was a much better design. IF I were to ever build another engine again, it would be a stroked 351 Windsor for my Falcon. Unless someone wants to drop a 71-72 Mustang in my lap then I'm building a 460.

[@f4udhorn]

The 429 is actually a geometrically better motor. Put my Clevor in your Falcon. That's what I was going to do before I sold my Falcon Sedan Delivery pro-streeter.

[@mikeglick3507]

The best of all time. I live in So Cal and at Hawaii racing in Simi Valley they had a blown nitro cammer on display. I think it was one of Mickey Thompsons engines from the 1971 season. They had an awesome show room of engines at one time. I visited again years ago and asked, "ware is the cammer?" The owner said "i sold it for $70,000 . With sadness in his voice he said to me "I should have never sold that engine". It was like he put a loved one to rest. Living in So Cal I have seen this unicorn a few times since. I always stand in aw in respect.

[@rarecars3336]

Darn yeah thats a TON of money for an engine but yeah with how rare these motors are today its a shame he sold it. Would take years to find another

[@ThunderAppeal]

@@rarecars3336 Stop pretending youre american you baltic state third worlder.

[@gordocarbo]

Havent been to that place in decades! Is it still around?

[@joshwenzlaff1313]

Sock 😂

[@mistred69]

Yeah I wish he didn't keep saying that..... it's a cammer

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Based on what I understand of valve events and engine flow, SOHC is the best overall head platform. DOHC has less reciprocal inertia, perhaps, but it also has twice as many camshafts, fasteners, caps, a longer chain/belt drive, etc. SOHC also eliminates the most egregious parts and weight that a pushrod design has, without adding unnecessary bulk to the top of the engine like DOHC does. I'd arguably make a similar claim about 2 or 3 valves vs 4 or 5 valves, especially when it comes to the Shadetree gearhead trying to get a leg up and build horsepower in their own garage. 2 valve heads can have the same, if not better volumetric efficiency, especially in the low and mid-RPM range as a 4 valve engine, and many designs can even keep up with 4 valves out at the top. At the very worst, they could be described as "self-limiting" because once you get to an RPM range that would be dangerous for the stroke length of the engine, the 2 valve heads have nothing left to give that would allow such RPM. This is especially true for square or under-square engines. And again, 2 valve heads are much simpler for the Shadetree gearhead to work with. If you really want more flow (and this is a hypothetical world where you can either have your own head designs easily produced, or more engines were widely made with 3-valve heads) I'd go with 3-valves at most. Another reason for 3 valves, IMO, is that engines with only a single exhaust valve tend to sound deeper and smoother than those with 2 exhaust valves (IE 4 and 5 valve engines), and I find this to be better to my ears. Don't believe me? Go listen to 4.6 Fords vs Coyotes, or any of the 3-valve Mercedes V6s, V8s, and V12s vs their 4-valve counterparts. Hell, even 2 valve Ferraris and Lamborghinis sound better than their 4 valve counterparts, to me. So yeah, IMO SOHC and either 2 or 3 valves would be the goat for most engines, in most street applications, across the widest range of enthusiast uses. Give them CVVD and VVT and you won't have a need for multiple profiles on the same cam. As long as you get the Lobe separation angle right from the start(there's only one correct LSA for any given displacement, head, and compression combination), you won't need to time the intake and exhaust closer or farther from each other. The CVVD will remove duration and overlap to allow better idle and economy, and the regular VVT will advance or pull back (can say the R-word) the cam to broaden the overall powerband as rpm increases.

[@markenriquez1486]

Seems like they missed out on a great ad campaign. "Drive this new car (insert model name) with an engine so POWERFUL, it was BANNED by NASCAR!"

[@wadepaul2943]

Yep yep! One of the best.

[@frankstewart8332]

A friend of mine, John Sexton, who owned a speed shop in Crystal Lake, ILL, had a Cammer in his top Gas car and at one time held the World and NRHA Records. II can't remember how many times I stopped by to drool over that engine and ask how much he wanted for it. (Thinking about a new fastback Mustang to put it in!) But to no avail. That was the last time in my life when I did not pony up for the best "Crate" motor I could buy! A local dealer has a '71-73 Mustang Mach-1 and when I walked in and saw that car, all I could think of was stuffing that SOHC 427 into it! Or maybe a bored and stroked BOSS-429??? Too busy drooling to continue typing.

[@doctorcountersteer6580]

With CW rotating camshafts on the drivers side head and CCW rotating one on the passenger bank, BABY😉!!!!

[@d.d.7287]

7:16 That's the most NAPCAR thing I've ever heard!

[@barbarafleece377]

Overhead cam designs do not give the advantage of less reciprocating mass. It is actually the opposite. They are more complex and have more mass to spin because of long timing chains or belts being used and multiple cams instead of one. The advantage to overhead cams is that it improves the volumetric efficiency of the cylinder head. The ports are less restricted and the engineers do not have to work around push rods coming up from below. The science and the real advantage lies in the volumetric efficiency of the cylinder heads. LS and LT engines from GM are world renowned because of their advanced high flow cylinder heads.. they can accomplish horsepower, like no other V8, and still use the simple lightweight and reliable valley cam with pushrods.

[@charlesroer972]

I remember winternationals NHRA , AHRA , grand American . Beeline dragway on the highway to bumblebee AZ the cammers hard to beat

[@JC-gw3yo]

There was a constant in America: Ford built strong reliable engines.

[@simonallan9941]

Can just imagine if Chrysler had to make such a dramatic improvement on the Hemi, DOHC four valves etc 😅

[@skoodercrunch2821]

Changed forever? We’re currently in a HP/TQ renaissance. Hell yeah! 👍

[@daveo532]

I have seen one of these engines in a 1974 F-250 4x4

[@049Mikey]

I saw a short block with a pair of heads for sale at Gratiot Auto Supply back in '71 for $2,200. Woulda, shoulda, couldn't afford it.

[@richardgerome4897]

You forgot to mention the boats that they were put in also??? I saw a few of them back in the day in racing boats… One really great engine for Ford!!!

[@jimtitt3571]

Starting in 1951 us Euro's had a production 3.2l (195cu.in) V8 pushing out 360hp in stock tune and over 500 in race trim. DOHC, desmodromic valve system, 4 valve and supercharged with fuel injection. Just a side project by Pegaso for their sports car, Spains largest truck manufacturer. Incidentally the development of the Ford DFV by Cosworth cost $ 130.000.

[@Paul_D_Lashley]

Adding an extra cam and six feet of timing chain doesn’t reduce rotational weight, it actually increases it. Great videos! The LS is quickly becoming the most successful engine of all time. No matter how you feel about it no other engine has been swapped into more manufacturers cars and no other engine has been supported by the aftermarket as much as the LS. It’s just true.

[@jmgallag]

Reciprocating mass is reduced. And the LS came 30 years later.

[@Paul_D_Lashley]

@@jmgallag so adding additional reciprocating mass isn’t reducing it, going from two camshafts to one rotating is a reduction. Also the “Ever” part of “greatest ever” means time really doesn’t matter.

[@Mylifeisawsome1010]

Why are ls fanboys always so salty 😂

[@gairnmclennan5876]

Two Cams reduces cam wear. Gives the option to use higher performance cams I guess?

[@gairnmclennan5876]

Thanks for the video. 😊

[@deronborghi5929]

A lot of people don't know that there are two different 426 Hemi engines. Just throwing that out there