Ah! finally some music that I can enjoy breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner, and supper to 🍗🍺
@gabrielmcginnis4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about midnight snacks, after-supper tea, after-dinner tea, and third breakfast!
@chvvsvv39583 жыл бұрын
You win best comment
@eduardopimenta2802 жыл бұрын
But what about second breakfast?
@forestcop23992 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to sleep and your quote had me lmbo. Thanks lol
@KL-hq5yx Жыл бұрын
@@eduardopimenta280 And third breakfast!
@thenerdfarawayАй бұрын
I found out Ambient Worlds is on Spotify!!! I can't wait for more playlists to show up there ... I especially like this one right now, since Autumn is upon me.
@vladdracula54775 жыл бұрын
Oh you can search far and wide, Oh you can drink the whole town dry, But you’ll never find a beer so brown, Oh you’ll never find a beer so brown! As the one we drink in our hometown, As the one we drink in our hometown, You can drink your fancy ales, You can drink them by the flagon, But the only brew for the brave and true, Comes from the Green Dragon!
@dakotasummers38315 жыл бұрын
If I really strain my creative mind, I can drink this Budweiser on my couch, just as well as a deep brown ale of the Green Dragon Inn! Hobbit crafted brew all the way!
@smilenowsmileforever42265 жыл бұрын
God I love THIS
@autumnsah32825 жыл бұрын
Love you for that!
@TacSav2534 жыл бұрын
Did they sneak that song in here somewhere? Would be epic lol
@FLJBeliever17764 жыл бұрын
@@TacSav253 - I did find a video entitled Hobbit Drinking Medley featuring Peter Hollens and Hank Green.
@diegooland12612 жыл бұрын
If there is a heaven, I sure hope it's just like the Shire. Now that is a place I could spend eternity.
@SnkrPrince2 жыл бұрын
And I my friend, and I
@jonathantrautman85324 жыл бұрын
A song that makes you long for a place you've never been. To be with the truest friends you haven't met. Where you all share a meal, stories, laughter, and maybe even an adventure!
@SnkrPrince Жыл бұрын
I know you commented this two years ago but I am quite ready to share an adventure with you!
@daltonwilliams4655 Жыл бұрын
@@SnkrPrince Me as well one of those adventures sounds nice then a pint in the green dragon when we get home
@SnkrPrince Жыл бұрын
@@daltonwilliams4655 in the Green Dragon with a pint of ale talking about everything that happened. "The good, the bad, and how lucky we are that we made it home." - Bilbo Baggins
@BongGoku Жыл бұрын
There's a Welsh word for this feeling, called Hiraeth.
@mariemmaharek5214 жыл бұрын
When I hear this music I just think of one thing "I am going on an adventure"
@WhiteRabbitAnne5 жыл бұрын
Fabulous! I'm rereading the entire Lord of The Rings cycle for fall. (all 5 middle earth books.) A yearly ritual. This is perfect to read by . But now I'm famished! Second dinner anyone?
@humboldtharry42485 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a great idea! Fall is the best time for reading that series, 💚
@328am5 жыл бұрын
I have read through The Hobbit & LOTR series. I'm 60% through The Silmarillion... However I can not seem to find a proper order to read all through the Arda/Middle Earth books. Every time I find a list it's either the order they were written in or the order they were published not a chronological journey through the timeline of Arda. Do you know? Any insight would help, thanks!
@LionscubSaint5 жыл бұрын
I'm up for second dinner
@WhiteRabbitAnne5 жыл бұрын
@@328am I've always gone with the internal time of the books themselves. The origin story of the Silmarillion then onwards.
@alcahallic45264 жыл бұрын
@@328am The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King. Also the Appendixes at the end of the Return of the King make for a good summary of Tolkien' Middle Earth.
@An-Old-Dude5 жыл бұрын
Hey, ho, to the bottle I go, To heal my heart and drown my woe! Rain may fall and wind may blow, But there still beeeeee many miles to go! Sweet is the sound of the pouring rain, And stream that falls from hill to plain! Better than rain or rippling brook, Is a mug of beer inside this Took!
@pedrocampos6914 жыл бұрын
Yay.
@drinnerd85323 жыл бұрын
Was just looking for this, thanks!
@alisterfolson5 жыл бұрын
I think I found this year's background music for Thanksgiving
@kookaburanu-nu4 жыл бұрын
Lol! That is such a good idea! Ill have to try it this year!
@auxiliis83664 жыл бұрын
I'd love to do this too but my family really aren't the ones to appreciate this or car at all. (They'd probably just make fun of me) They just wheel out a TV to watch football while we eat...
@kookaburanu-nu4 жыл бұрын
@@auxiliis8366 awww...I'm very sorry to hear that.Its such a masterpiece that hardly anyone listens to, its so underrated.😢
@user-qv4fq3lu2z4 жыл бұрын
Amen brother
@darth_birb66144 жыл бұрын
I’ve been doing that since 2018
@littlehollow5 жыл бұрын
Dude thank you very much for these mixes you've put together. I've fallen a sleep to many of these soundtracks. Thank you.
@littlehollow5 жыл бұрын
Hey, it would be nice to see more Hans Zimmer, like Inception or, Interstellar mixes. I know you take more suggestions from the Patron and Pay Pal people, but maybe just this once? XD (I need help)
@samturner60614 жыл бұрын
It's funny that on many other music videos, this comment would be seen as offensive. About falling asleep to it I mean.
@speedepitomised4 жыл бұрын
@@samturner6061 😂
@Inv1cto2 жыл бұрын
What if he took you falling asleep as an insult😂
@chelsealiddypivtorak92824 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been fortunate to have eaten in the Green Dragon Inn in Hobbiton, I can say this puts me right back there!
@josiahkruse1180 Жыл бұрын
lucky duck.
@Oliver_yup Жыл бұрын
Lucky lucky man 🍻
@zakmckracken7330 Жыл бұрын
Gosh, just took a look - a second breakfast tour would cost me and my family 650€ for three hours. That is one kind of breathtaking!
@chelsealiddypivtorak9282 Жыл бұрын
@@zakmckracken7330 Expensive but totally worth it - we did the twilight tour! Once in a lifetime experience
@thegull1551 Жыл бұрын
@@zakmckracken7330 Yo no way it costed that much haha, unless u had a family of ten
@AmbientWorlds5 жыл бұрын
Hello halflings! I just updated the description to include credits for music that was not automatically credited by KZbin. There are three pieces by Chance Thomas in this video from the Lord of the Rings Online soundtrack. Make sure to check out the links in the description! I think you'll agree with me that Chance Thomas' songs fit in perfectly with Howard Shore's music. Thanks!
@heidilbrennan49285 жыл бұрын
Thank you for adding music from the LOTRO game! It's the only game I play, imagine my surprise this morning when getting my coffee and suddenly I hear the "Hills of the Shire" come on! The game has such beautiful music - thank you Chance Thomas - and beautiful scenery as well, which is why I play only lotro! Thanks again! You are very much appreciated in my home! Support incoming...!
@robinsteeden74665 жыл бұрын
The first LotRO snippet was "Hills of the Shire" NOT "Autumn Ale". But I loved your bringing Chance Thomas's wonderful LotRO hobbit themes with the amazing Howard Shore ones. Joining my favourite Middle Earth entertainments in one package - genius!
@travisjb28554 жыл бұрын
Halflings??!!! Well I never!
@kookaburanu-nu4 жыл бұрын
@Ambient Worlds I would prefer being called a " Shireling" instead of " Halfling" , Thank you very much!!
@achanwahn4 жыл бұрын
Actually, it was a little jarring, but it’s nice to know why
@musicamedieval5163 жыл бұрын
I had such a horrible night, being anxious about stuff that really, in a few hours wont even matter.. Put this on first thing as I woke up and I'm feeling so much better! Whoever is reading this, hope you have a calm and happy day! We deserve it.
@chrism73954 жыл бұрын
Puts me back to sitting outside the Green Dragon relaxing in the NZ sunshine, with a drink in hand. Wish I was back there now more than ever.
@TheNinjaInConverse5 жыл бұрын
Some unique pieces here; it's not all Concerning Hobbits. I love Concerning Hobbits, but variety is nice, and some of these songs do seem richer, and more "fall" vs the "spring" of the traditional theme. Adding some less-common tunes from the Shire is welcome:D
@thomassams94185 жыл бұрын
Courtesy of Lord of the Rings Online
@Swarm5094 жыл бұрын
@@thomassams9418 LotR Online did an excellent jobs with many of the songs it has. Glad I got to play the game when it was released, unexpectedly good and my first MMORPG!
@wander74184 жыл бұрын
One of if not my favourite film series
@sohamkale43724 жыл бұрын
This is so perfect! Its almost as though I can feel the warm hearth, hear the crackling of logs in the fire, aah...the cosiness of the Green Dragon.. .
@kookaburanu-nu4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It's so relaxing!
@clairen38983 жыл бұрын
PERFECT study and homework music. All the shire-sounding ones are. Pleasant and cheery, yet not distracting. A hint of escapism lifts the drudgery of school work with a touch of fantasy!
@ELBSpeaking2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been to this place so many times in my mind, I can taste each plate there. I’ll get another pint!
@ConfectorSirus3 жыл бұрын
Perfect for my coming d&d adventure
@kwester96782 жыл бұрын
This makes the world a little better place to be in. so beautiful, pure, and nostsalgic. Thank u so much.
@dominick89113 жыл бұрын
I like that you added LotRO songs into this mix too. The nostalgia is REAL. Awesome.
@Caryl_Mantini4 жыл бұрын
Woaw😌😌😌😌😌😌 The peace
@FLJBeliever17764 жыл бұрын
Hey ho to the bottle I go, To heal my heart and drown my woe! Rain may fall and wind may blow, But there still be many miles to go! Sweet as sound as the sound of the pouring rain, The stream that falls from the hill to plain! Better than rain or a rippling brook, Is a mug of beer inside this Took!
@kookaburanu-nu4 жыл бұрын
I love it!
@robertbeaman78835 жыл бұрын
I am reading through the LOTR for the first time. When I imagine the perfect place to sit and read the LOTR, this is it!
@cameronstumpf47093 жыл бұрын
i love the lord of the rings and its so much better with your music
@Swiftbeorn5 жыл бұрын
I love the inclusion of music from LOTRO. The songs in that game really fit, to me, the feel of the books. They are uplifting and nostalgic, which is perfect for the feeling of the Shire. Thank you for creating this Green Dragon Inn video. I can't wait to see what you have in store next!
@Maria-g6k2h3 жыл бұрын
And the wonderful songs of LOTRO giving their special touch in union with the masterpieces from the movies! Thank you Howard Shore! And thank you Chance Thomas!
@wanderwolfontour54913 жыл бұрын
It looks like completely the same at Green Dragon in the original Hobbiten New Zealand. I was there and I go for the dinner. It was one of my best meals in NZ. The Best memories. Amazing
@jakekolander19344 жыл бұрын
Honestly, these mixes have sold my wife on giving Lord of the Rings a chance. She always thought they were too nerdy for her, but playing some of this music around the house had her asking where it came from. This weekend, she finally watched the first in the LotR trilogy with me and is excited for the next one. Thank you!
@gerryplasker73884 жыл бұрын
This might be one of your best mixes. The quiet simplicity and feeling of home and loving friends. This reminds me of christmas as a child at my grandparents dairy farm. A huge table filled with family, a fire, food and mugs of beer, (milk for the kids).
@kumarsharma57325 жыл бұрын
01:07 and then i smile. I miss the days when i watched LOTR. I want to be a child again. Thank you for uploading such a soothing music.
@suzita40195 жыл бұрын
Love the Feast, brings back the lovely memories of the fresh produce I had with my Dad and Mum. Especially Christmas time. It was a Feast to never forget. Scrumptious Deserts, from delicious tasty food. They were the days, my beautiful parents. They are diamonds to me
@cotysmith78875 жыл бұрын
It comes in pints? I'm getting one!!
@floogandoogan7035 жыл бұрын
You’ve had a whole half already!
@scottwallace52394 жыл бұрын
Americans when they visit the UK
@oombydave4 жыл бұрын
Merry you’ve blown our cover! Merry:What is it Frodo.
@TeamKuukiFoodGames4 жыл бұрын
You've already had two!
@emilymcglynn3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised no one has complained that they're not at the Green Dragon inn when Pippin says this - they're at the Prancing Pony. We're not in the shire anymore!
@enyzo3nyzo4 жыл бұрын
this is comfort
@lainie55903 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love music from the Shire. I listen to it while I am working, and whenever I hear Concerning Hobbits, I always smile
@lancewilliams16264 жыл бұрын
WISH I HAD A TABLE SPREAD LIKE THIS FOR CHRISTMAS OH WHAT A FEAST SIR LANCELOT.
@theroyalteacher3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these videos. I just found them the other day when I was looking for music to play in the background for my class. Since then I have played one right after the other. The students love them. The music helps to keep everyone focused on their work. It also helps me stay calm during stressful situations trying to deal with the online virtual learners.
@thegoldenhost5 жыл бұрын
I was so excited to see this was coming out a couple days ago! Something new to listen to while gaming on LOTRO - and there are even a few tracks from LOTRO! Thanks Ambient Worlds! Always excited to see new videos.
@allisonheinrich41085 жыл бұрын
Seconded. LOTRO for the win.
@linso68484 жыл бұрын
Some unique pieces here; it's not all Concerning Hobbits. I love Concerning Hobbits, but variety is nice, and some of these songs do seem richer, and more "fall" vs the "spring" of the traditional theme. Adding some less-common tunes from the Shire is welcome:D
@Iad834 жыл бұрын
Wholesome.
@timothyweiss50793 жыл бұрын
Give thanks for a successful harvest I think anyone would love being there!
@brandonlahman79454 жыл бұрын
Played this tonight during Thanksgiving dinner.. Ill play it tomorrow for breakfast and second breakfast!!!
@geanieg51605 жыл бұрын
Howard Leslie Shore is one of the greatest movie composers on Earth. LOTR and Hobbit soundtracks are the best.
@jurassicbread42795 жыл бұрын
Geanie G indeed he is
@littlehollow5 жыл бұрын
I read "the" greatest, i was like have you heard Hans Zimmer?
@geanieg51605 жыл бұрын
@@littlehollow I love listening Hans Zimmer's musics. Pirates, Gladiator, Angels ans Demon etc. But to me Howard Shore's middle earth scores are the best.
@j-dub83994 жыл бұрын
My wife and I feasted at the Green Dragon Inn in Matamata NZ for our honeymoon. I couldn't recommend that more! Listening to this while working makes me yearn to go back and feast once more :)
@a_sethhale2 жыл бұрын
LOTRO music gets me in my feels
@jessicapinto38174 жыл бұрын
This has got to be the nicest and most awesome comment section in the whole of KZbin
@MichelleC505 жыл бұрын
That chaotic pile of wood is too much to handle, I'd be over there stacking them right now if I could. 😒
@niennasaralonde40615 жыл бұрын
There's an unseen order in chaos.. Always. 💞Love to you 💞
@Mia-mia2475 жыл бұрын
gawd I hate stacking wood xD my dad used to make me do it, bark up, gap to the wall yada yada! but yes, the view bugs me too now that YOU MENTIONED IT
@alisterfolson5 жыл бұрын
The OCD struggle is real The wood pile is not
@galleryg9985 жыл бұрын
CJ Meiko XD
@AndreaRKent4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing, Michelle.
@ymkeverploegen63883 жыл бұрын
I am rereading The Hobbit and I've just reached the part where they are staying at Beorn's place and this music is basically perfect
@lianawanders5 жыл бұрын
How amazing it is that even if you are having the worst day this music fills your soul with joy!!
@hannahgopal2945 жыл бұрын
This is quite possibly my favourite mix of all time. It brings a sense of peace, joy and...community. It makes me want to dance but also sit quietly. I love the way you have transitioned the different pieces and how each one just brings a different emotion that uplifts me. Thank you so much 🧡💛❤
@sintenal40784 жыл бұрын
Out of all of the AW screens, this is my favorite by far! If this were made into a jigsaw puzzle, my day would be complete. Many thanks for all the ambiance!
@KaneAsIAm4 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite LOTR Ambient Worlds music lists (and background images). Makes me feel like a fat and happy Hobbit!
@hokanh5792 жыл бұрын
Now, this is an amazing song. Has been listening to this song since 2020, but never got the chance to comment. This song has been helping me to study and work my way to the last one and a half year of my undergraduate study! kudos to Ambient World!
@sotl974 жыл бұрын
I'm ready to sit down to the feast.
@jenns.57913 жыл бұрын
gosh! can we please bring back living and feasting like this? 😍✨🔥🍞🍎🍗🍻🎶🍃🍂🔮🍀🍄
@linksoldier15 жыл бұрын
Great music great picture. Wonderful work as always. I Will be playing this in the background this thanksgiving. Along side great company. And telling tales to each other. Thank you for this.
@megandersen33 жыл бұрын
What!? After showing us all that delicious looking food!, No Recipes? 😋😯🤤
@scottclark18392 жыл бұрын
Wonderful relaxing music from my favorite movies. Thank you for compiling this collection.
@rampantriptide95495 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you! These LOTR videos bring me so much happiness and help me study!
@ragejinraver4 жыл бұрын
I picture these are what the meals in heaven are gonna look like along with the beautiful music
@lazygirlsdoes4 жыл бұрын
These videos are keeping me sane while trying to work under quarantine! Thanks for all your work!
@michelemilliken60543 жыл бұрын
What great music to clean the house with! keeps me happily chugging along, energy and imagination!
@psychictrainerbede26684 жыл бұрын
1:47-1:57 I remember hearing it and I just loved that part. It was so peaceful and pretty.
@realtitedog4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@samvancampenhout97784 жыл бұрын
It hit me pretty late that there's quite a bit of music from lord of the rings online in this, great choices as this game really did an excellent job at creating the shire, with the correct musical vibe and everything.
@OnGuffeyHill3 жыл бұрын
For all gatherings from this day forward, at my home,, will be enjoyed to your mixes. Thank you 😊 💓 ☺
@samcampling5065 жыл бұрын
You can’t beat a bit of a mix up between the films and LOTRO. This is awesome. Thanks Ambient Worlds
@edwardjaniszewski28904 жыл бұрын
The slight background conversation noise *chef kiss*
@inevitabletraitor5 жыл бұрын
Today's is my birthday and if I could celebrate anywhere, I'd celebrate it at the Green Dragon. (I also have a harvest festival planned for my Adventures in Middle-Earth RPG, so I may use it there.) Thank you for this. At the risk of sounding like Smeagol, "it's my birthday and I wants it."
@liirinen5 жыл бұрын
It's my birthday too! And this video is sort of like a birthday gift
@rubysparrow4795 жыл бұрын
Happy Birthday to both of you and wishing you both all the best. 🍻 Cheers for another 100 years... 🎂 Ruby*
@liirinen5 жыл бұрын
@@rubysparrow479 Thank you!
@rubysparrow4795 жыл бұрын
@@liirinen You're welcome. Take care and I hope your wish comes true... R*
@AnakinSkywalker-jd2vx4 жыл бұрын
You can actually celebrate it in the Green Dragon Inn but it's in New Zealand in the Shire
@CastleShield3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful music and this artwork looks like the best place to be I can imagine.
@smolten00154 жыл бұрын
Perfect to play while Im writing my DnD campaigns
@Zile.e4 жыл бұрын
My daydreaming has been calling me to Middle Earth but I've been so busy lately the only time I have time to think about the inner world is at night before I sleep. Gladly, your playlists give me the perfect ambiance to help my brain in its story crafting and ambient music also helps me fall asleep eventually. I get to dream and I still fall asleep at a relatively good time without catching myself spiralling into anxiety.
@WorldEater-XII5 жыл бұрын
This is still one of the most uplifting music for me, it gives you the feeling that you're truly free in a way 😎
@georgepell68754 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for this music i hope i never leave.
@rubysparrow4795 жыл бұрын
The Green Dragon welcomes you all. Enjoy the feast one and all. Eat until your hearts content, for you're with family and friends. Let's give thanks as we drink, for the Green Dragon's the best there is. Untill we all meet again in the Shire at Bag End, may you enjoy your holidays and take care of yourself my friend.🍜,🍻,🎶... 🍀 Ruby*
@pedrocampos6914 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@pedrocampos6914 жыл бұрын
Ok yeah.
@oykuozkurt59484 жыл бұрын
Thank you for those beautiful videos you post. Looking forward to the new series...
@ijpeandcorrievandijken90824 жыл бұрын
Many thanks, Ambient Worlds, for the beautiful images you use for these videos. Many times I make a screenshot of them to use in a slideshow as my desktop background.
@SpookyASMR3 жыл бұрын
This pic made me feel so hungry 😄 Very immersive and cozy. LOTR has one of the best soundtracks if not the best 🔥🔥
@CozyBabyDreams Жыл бұрын
Love this
@BabySleepMelodies-v5f Жыл бұрын
*Awesome music video! Love it!*
@haroontariq4804 Жыл бұрын
Would Give anything to be here with Gandalf and Aragorn and Legolas, Gimli and Hobbits of course
@zeph64394 жыл бұрын
I'm inn!
@rebeccafant12795 жыл бұрын
Finally! I play these in my classroom while we are working and the kids have been asking for a Thanksgiving themed one!
@megapoussinpowa4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for adding these videos to my life ! Working on my master thesis, feeling so anxious and scared, suffering from the writer's block... Now I can only write when I'm listening to your videos. It makes me both calm and enthousiastic... Thank you again !
@SigandGibbs4 жыл бұрын
Those LOTRO tracks you highlighted are all from the original Middle Earth Online days. Specifically let us sing together was the Shire theme. Now it's Bombadils. I miss middle earth online and am forever sad it became lotro, but at least they kept the Amazing art
@lorynnicole65382 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video ever on YT hands down 💜. Thank you for much joy!
@gttown88963 жыл бұрын
This has been my go-to for online school/study music, thank you guys
@sethcarlow83635 жыл бұрын
i needed this wonderful,excellent music with my Lunch today. Amazing and awesome.
@moazzamhussain43325 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the sound quality! Crispy AF
@SilenceManifests5 жыл бұрын
Good to see Chance and Howard sharing a mug or two at the Green Dragon... as it should be!
@hokkuspokkuspoppakonsti62215 жыл бұрын
I was so thrilled when I saw you had uploaded this. Must be one of my favorites by now, thank you!!
@sethcarlow83635 жыл бұрын
Who is here in 2020 and Enjoying this wonderful,epic,Amazing,awesome music with your Friends and Family and having a Harvest Feast near Bagend and the Frobing frost near Hogwarts mix of Lord of the rings with Harry Potter. so come to the green Dragon with your fandom and stay and have some beer or some wine. Butter Beer and Fire Wisty. so come down the path and drink up with us,have some tea or coffee and some pie or cakes and cookies and dance the night away. come for some pints and food and music with fun.
@sethcarlow83634 жыл бұрын
@Liliana Dabrowska have a nice weekend and week a head.
@AxeKick805 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna play this as ambiance during Thanksgiving with my family...I love it 😊
@satupas4 жыл бұрын
I've listened this over 100 times.. wonderful!!!
@foresthermit20175 жыл бұрын
Original Soundtrack from the movies and LOTRO!?!? BRAVO!!!
@miacienfuegos5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I’m ecstatic at your channels growth, and the amount of support you’ve gotten. You bring so much joy to people with these wonderful videos. They get me through long work days, and set my mind at ease on stressful days. Sending my best. ♥️
@AmbientWorlds5 жыл бұрын
Mia Cienfuegos Welcome back Mia!!!
@otenet705 жыл бұрын
Food, joy and warmth.. aaah Shire!
@gracefraser4173 Жыл бұрын
This 😍😍😍😍👌 Thankyou!!!!
@engrfka5 жыл бұрын
Proud to be a geek!
@knucklespunchola7502 Жыл бұрын
Makes me want to drain a mug of Grog
@allisonheinrich41085 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS! I absolutely adore that you also included the LOTRO music! Have you ever considered doing an ambience with the Elven music from LOTRO such as Grey Havens, Tears of Nimrodel, Rivendell, etc?