THE HACK & SLASH GACHA GAME CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH - HONKAI VS PGR VS AG SCHIZOPHRENIC COMPARISON! RAW!

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

IT appears I made an oopsie in the video and forgot the fact that PGR's weapon banner is always live too. Doesn't change much as the banner for target weapons' rate for target is 4.00% / 12.00% while the two off-rate are 0.50% / 1.50% each. Because there is no guarantee for weapons, players might hit the off-rate multiple times in a row. Whereas in Aether Gazer, once you hit pity, you are guaranteed to get your signature Functor. Skip the opening by going to 2:55. Thank you for watching! ➡Join my Discord! discord.gg/zXRaBmR2 ➡Support me on Patreon! www.patreon.com/IMGWatcher ➡Follow me on Twitter/X! x.com/IMGWatcher22

[@Briliantless]

There is a lot of misinformation with PGR in this video 1. PGR weapon banner always live and don't rotate, you can get any weapon rate up for any character at any time 2. PGR rank mode doesn't not tied to your gacha currency, whales and f2p will get the same amount regardless their rank and result in leaderboard, it is tied to participation 3. Realistically PGR the cheaper game, because Kuro mostly put free cons after premium cons, there some exception like back to back premium cons but as long you smart you can get everyone even at pity, HI3 and AG doesn't even have a ranks anymore for players save 4. I won't put trailblazer as the best PGR boss in global, Lilith far more complex and interesting 5. Characters kits in AG it looks complex at first but they have to make it up for the lack of character switching like in Hi3 and PGR, there is no team rotation, therefore each match feel the same

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

It seems my sources were wrong and I admit my mistakes for 1. 2 is irrelevant because you can't participate if you can't clear the stages to begin with, which, if you don't have proper teams, you can't. And thus powercreep and by extension, faster more competitive metagame. 3 Is misinformation on your end, both games still have A ranks, they just haven't released any in a little while. 4 is subjective and I won't argue against that. 5 is dumb because saying no team rotation means every much is the same disregards every Hack&Slash game in existence that doesn't have a rotation. Like DMC or the such. So yeah.

[@Celica_42]

​@@ImaginaryWatcher we don't need team rotation You didn't play the game properly? QTEs don't change the controlling character they just come down their shit and go away

[@Celica_42]

PGR doesn't need rotations QTEs don't change the controlling character

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

@@Celica_42 In Aether Gazer you can cast ULT with all 3 Characters so that balances it out I guess?

[@Briliantless]

​@@ImaginaryWatcher 2. Nope, everyone can participate and get all the bc regardless they have meta cons or not, you don't even need to clear the stages, mode such as babel and Norman are exception but you can clear it with free characters 3. they haven't released A ranks/free s ranks only patch for a long time (let's be honest AG will never release new A rank again) , PGR still does Make it PGR cheaper 4. So you saying it is subjective but you picked AG global boss that not yet released and picked PGR boss that more that a year old boss from PGR global, why not pick the latest PGR global boss to make it fair? 5. DMC has rotation, hell every hack and slash game has, it is called weapon switching You wanna argue that is not the same as characters switching? The point is it change player playstyle at any moment during combat, you can switch playstyle in HI3 and PGR with character switching

[@Kuro-sensei]

I have to disagree on that last point Aether gazer functor banner is always up? PGRs weapon and Cub banner is also always up and you can pull on them anytime PGR doesnt have any game mode that requires meta units to get rewards Both pain cage and warzone give currency simply by participating So exactly what puts aether gazer over PGR here?

[@doommaker4000]

Bias

[@wafflesofficials951]

​@@doommaker4000 he isnt lying tho

[@Camilla_A6]

Real, I even when feeling lazy to play phantom pain page, I pressed skip button if I already clear it once, still gets a nice rewards

[@derpderpkins8933]

PGR weapon banner if you roll dupes, the 2nd copy is pretty pointless since only the first copy is worth it, and you can't use it on anyone else AG Functors, if you roll dupes, the second functor can be converted into a functor for another character, or even saved for a future unreleased character

[@ilegitcookie]

@@derpderpkins8933 If you roll dupes you can use them to resonate ANY signature weapon in the game... Don't think you know anything about PGR homie.

[@hei4676]

in PGR u don't need complete team to do weeklies tho, u just need to participate doesn't matter what score is...the leaderboards doesn't give gacha currencies but different currency for buying some mats...and the difference is not that much... For bosses i don't think trailblazer has really that much gimmick, it's just a jojo punch that can kill u even with i frames...there are more interesting ones like a boss that can parry u back, mess with ur UI, or grab you mid animation lol Aether gazer has more depth on kit but that because u only play one character and can't switch PGR S ranks are easy to obtain, with A ranks in between S rank patches, you'll guarantee the debut char no matter what, given u do weeklies and events ofc... so u can basically be a collector here despite being f2p, there's no FOMO tho result is not bad, aether gazer really do deserves more recognition

[@aaad3552]

Pgrr has Way less heros, low energy or content, and still grindy Compared to hi3. WTH r u talking about? Combat is bland. The only thing I enjoy is parry lmao.

[@mayhem_PGR]

Crimson Weave isn't the most complex character in the game though, we have Lucia: Pyroath, Wanshi: Lucid Dreamer, Luna: Oblivion and Ishmael: Parhelion (though she isn't even out on CN yet) CW is actually more on the simpler side when it comes to Gen 2 Characters. As for the CW kit explanation, there's honestly a better explanation for it. Crimson Weave's kit is pretty large despite being very simple. Pressing Dodge + Spamming Attack will active sword wave mode, she'll unleash sword waves that will count as basic attack damage, she builds up stacks when using any skill except for unquenchable flare, stacks are limited to 300 at S Rank and upgraded to 600 at SS, her core passive is her dash attack, as you hold dodge, she enters a parry stance and builds up the sword gauge, after releasing she performs a dash towards the enemy and gains i-frames during the animation, while charging up, if you're being attacked you get damage reduction and super armor, also holding the dodge at the right time before an enemy attack can initiate a built in perfect parry which also triggers matrix if it's not on cooldown you also take no damage from it. After using signature in kodachi mode, you're In odachi mode, her kit remains the same except for her orbs and has added another attack in the basic attack button, after using the charge attack from earlier the numbers on the gauge turn from white to red indicating that you can hold the attack button to leap into the air and plunge into the ground to deal massive damage, the damage scales on how big the number is on top of the gauge, even if her kit remains the same, the overall damage of everything also increases, note that you can only use the plunge attack AFTER using her core passive, the plunge attack gives i-frames for the entirety of the animation as well, and then after that use the signature to end the rotation. Now for her Leap Skills: They added a new feature to her plunge attack and that's when you hold her attack button for a longer time, the orbs change into special ones, the amount of orbs corresponds to how many orbs you have in your queue, tapping the attack button continuously in this mode will consume those orbs and alpha will attack midair to deal extra dark-attribute damage before plunging down again.

[@karlsangalang1623]

honestly it pissed me off that they didn't just compare every game with their Latest Latest version. because that would be the most Less-BS comparison ever.

[@argilium]

Despite AG's flexibility in the weapon/functor banner, which is pretty rare in gacha games, I think PGR should still win the gacha category on account of needing less pulls to guarantee a character. Weapons are ultimately for power gaming and can be ignored by those who do not wish to rank like in both PGR and AG. But honkai is definitely the most predatory gacha among these because of rewards being tied to ranks and faster powercreep cycle in the meta.

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

I wouldn't call it predatory though I'll agree it is the most expensive. And yeah ultimately it doesn't matter what I say in the video as I said in the description this is purely subjective so everything must be taken with a big spoonful of sugar and salt.

[@Overlord-q5e]

You need to consider the amount of pulls you get in a patch as well, just having lower pity doesn't mean it is better. For example you need to save for 2 months in PGR to get a character, but in AG you can get it in a month and a week.

[@argilium]

@@Overlord-q5e average per week of aether gazer is around 4k stars or more. So definitely not within a week unless you include one time rewards you get as a new time player. And so it's less than 5 weeks to guarantee a new character. And 5-7 weeks for old characters that have to rely on the 50/50 banner. I'm no longer playing pgr now but I guess the early days of it led to almost guaranteeing every elemental S-rank character released that was part of the meta. In AG, early gacha days were plagued by 50/50 and there were no patches where they only released A ranks so you definitely skipped some S ranks. It's only within this year that we got true guarantee at 90 pulls.

[@Overlord-q5e]

@@argilium yeah, I said around 1 month and a week, and we should also consider that characters in PGR need their SS rank which you can only get from pain cage which limits you even further, and in AG the rate are 1.6% compared to PGR's rate of 0.5% so you will get lucky way more in AG and can save for other characters. For example I have enough currency for 2 characters in PGR and enough currency for the next 8 characters in AG and I pull for every single character. And PGR adds one S rank per 2 patch, so you can see how much more generous is AG compared to PGR.(Both are top tier generous but between the two AG is just better)

[@argilium]

@@Overlord-q5e if that's the state of PGR now and now that AG changed, I guess I would concede for current gacha economy then. I also have a lot of pulls for AG (granted, I do regularly buy monthly and BP so I was refraining on making an anecdote). Actually, AG has also become a game where SS and sig functor equipped characters are "needed" or recommended, but only if one is interested in clearing Iterative Testing difficulty 8, but it doesn't give premium currency anyway.

[@Camilla_A6]

PGR honestly.. Story is ehh, gameplay absolutely banger despite being 10gb+++ mobile games.. Ost? Oh mama mia.. Sure the other 2 games has at least one of them or more.. But what makes pgr so special to me.. Is the Dev.. The dev that actually LISTEN to their fans 😭😭😭

[@Camilla_A6]

Kurogame giving us free tons of strong S-rank units.. Didn't you guys want to make money? 😭😭

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

@@Camilla_A6 I love Kurogames and I agree they are pretty generous!

[@Camilla_A6]

@@ImaginaryWatcher and I love you mwachh, may your channel grown drastically! Best of luck

[@riaz608]

if you like Story Honkai Gameplay PGR Thick waifus Aether gazer

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

EXACTLY 😭

[@joshbrosh6626]

Combine all 3 and you get zzz 😅😂

[@zamirroa]

Story for PGR is valid too, the problem of PGR is not having voice acting, cinematics and the prologue like a presequel to the actual story of the game.

[@aaad3552]

@@riaz608 I like hi3 combat more :/ Pgr less gameplay more animations.

[@tatarigami-no-kami]

i would rather disagree. PGR story in cn (and now global is also synchronizing) is already above Hi3 (except the bubble gum universe or smth i forgot how it's called). At least i see A LOT more sense in PGR story than in Hi3. I would say that Hi3 follows hot-blooded school/university trope in the begging. Not very sure what happened after Kiana stayed at the moon tho. PGR on the other hand is a phycological thriller/drama in post apocalypse society. Just so you know the twists and turns SPOILER- Throughout 16 chapters of later story (starting from chapter 17) the main cast struggled desperately to prevent each others deaths. But ultimately failed in the end and each one of them died without a way to defeat or tame the punishing virus because no one can be invincible indefinitely. Both main characters died too, mainly Lucia died as soon as she received the new frame as per tradition since chapter 13, and we- commandant also died. And by extension the earth civilization disappeared, because the main cast are the strongest top fighters without whom regular troops would be helpless against endlessly emerging hetero creatures of agent level. The good thing is that we died on the way to reverse the timeline and after our death, our new companion finished the reshaping of the timeline.

[@userunrelated_n4u]

bait used to be believeable, the glaze to other game compared to a whole lot of missinformation for pgr is crazy

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

I literally play all 3 games and I literally wrote in the description that the video is subjective.💀

[@userunrelated_n4u]

@ImaginaryWatcher instead of replying to comments, you should fix the video, misinformation is not subjective, if you are aiming for comment bait congrats, it work, lots of pgr player commented

[@aaad3552]

​@@ImaginaryWatcherbro saying subjective doesn't release you from conquences.

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

@@aaad3552 Fym consequences? Gonna sue me? Is this a threat? Cause boy I love getting threats online.

[@aaad3552]

@@ImaginaryWatcher from people ju, dg, ing you dude.

[@swordsmanmagi1370]

i played pgr . lvl up in pgr is so easy coz theres a system called mentor so this system is like this every weeks you have a mission do that you get account exp . they even remove the stamina requirement atleast in the story . the story chapter 1 to 9 is slow i almost forget there a skip button & there a site where you can read the summarize version

[@satyayana1399]

i always find it a bit funny that HI3rd, a 30+gb sized game at 5 years. but recent hack/slash anime style game have similar size from the start

[@C4ptainoodles]

that's cause hi3 let's you delete like half the game if you're not using it

[@satyayana1399]

@@C4ptainoodles should i put it this way? recent hack/slash anime style game have atleast a little over 20 GB on release HI3rd however, only a couple of GB on release

[@kaka09876543210]

The other game have comparable graphic quality to HI3 from the start. Plus in the past Honkai impact have low definition version

[@joshbrosh6626]

​@@kaka09876543210thats cuz hi3rd was one of the 1st 3D hack n slash gacha games and came out 2015/2016 Ofc the graphics wouldve been low on lower budget

[@ryuzaki1316]

The edits just keep getting better. Great work.(don't skip the intro) edit- cant wait for the third watcher model.

[@melikeeeeeeeeeeee222]

11:39 its the same narrative told from a diffrent perspective. Its also really easy to level up your commandat level if you engage with the games mechanics a little (guide system). You also dont need any meta units to clear the story or ppc and war zone, only if you want to rank high in the leaderboards but everyone gets the same rewards. Even if you just enter a stage and get killed it will still count as participation (for war zone and ppc) and if you fail in the story its really just a skill issue. in the later chapters its also impossible to die. Cubs and 6 star weapons are also not needed for the characters most of the time

[@karlsangalang1623]

imma still enjoy my Free S Rank selector + Another S Rank Selector + 6 Star Weapon Selector + Standard Banner S Rank Choice + Free Selena Capriccio Shards (Enough to unlock her for free) + Free Ayla Kaleido Shards (Enough to unlock her for free) + Free Alisa Echo Shards (Enough to Unlock her for Free) and other future free S Ranks we will get that are meta relevant.

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

Good for you! I'll also enjoy everything that you just stated as well as every other freebie the other two games hand out because I play all of them!

[@hiteshmaurya9889]

i was waiting for music section because of you post on reddit ...bit a letdown . Other wise good editing....really enjoyed..that you pointed the biggest selling point of honkai impact that no one points out ...damm those musical cutscenes are the best payoff ....kinda make you realize that no game in history has that. maybe will try ather gazer someday but dont really like that my other team members are on auto...too much clutter. Right now i am playing pgr after finishing honkai impact part 1 and from my experience the hit feedback is the best in pgr.

[@darkage98]

Vonnegut boss? New Lucia frame? i'ts joke ?

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

Not including CN server stuff

[@darkage1198]

sorry of course. Wouldn't it be fair to compare these 3 games in their last state? Well, okay comparison. But for your viewers the current state of the game might be interesting. Considering the difference and improvements are enough. Although it's none of my business. I can only wish you good luck and growth of your channel​@@ImaginaryWatcher

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

@@darkage1198 Thank you. What did you mean by current state however?

[@DT-bo1zk]

When scoring the combat gameplay, imo the priority for a satisfying combat (or gameplay in general) should be like this (1)Interaction > (2)Movement/Positioning > (3)Rhythm > (4)Animation > (5)Skill mechanics. Skill mechanics or character's kit isn't that important and nothing more than just extra decorations to make things look fresh and different. This might be controversal to say rhythm is better than animation but yes it is, once you sync with the rhythm and "enter the zone", beautiful animations no longer matter, your satisfaction reach a new level beyond what animations can offer you. Good examples for this are Bullet per Minute (BPM) and Mad Rat Dead. For a lot of games Movement/Positioning is the main priority (Super Mario, Sonic,...) but for combat games the Interaction part is most important, the more interactive and engaging the better. To score the interaction, we count the options (attack, dodge, block, parry, clash, counter, bind,...), how frequent those options being used by us, and against us by enemies. For Movement/Positioning, we score on its involvements with the terrain and the options for positioning (dash, run, jump, climb, fly, grapple hook, blink/teleport,...).

[@ShiroYuu_00]

Uwwwoooggghhhh~ big match from the three peak hack & slash games Imagine.. raiden mei (HOO), alpha (CW), tsukuyomi (shinri) in one stage

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

That would be *shocking* to see.

[@muhammadaffry2123]

Great video, I like when you showcase each game on their current patch.

[@Cyanmint-Gacus]

Alot of misinformation in PGR

[@ApenasUmAzuç2369]

Overall good, fair points, but lots of disinformation about PGR which ate highlited in @Briliantless comment section. Also, PGR story doesn't always keep like that, if no for all almost of the story fights after nona ouroboros are played with trial characters

[@BleepBloop-wd8qs]

Hello, fellow AG veteran. This is just my personal take, I mean no rude or any other bash. Its just friendly feedback thats all. But I think choosing Izanami as the most complex character in AG is underrated? Because in terms of mechanics, the most complex character in AG is Ying Zhao, Zhi Ming, Madaobi - Kagatsuchi (Life management). I can understand that Izanami's Mirror mechanic needs perfect timing, but players got used to it after a day or 2 at most, especially if you have her Signature Functor it makes her very easy to manage. I would suggest, watching the skill kits of the characters mentioned. Also, I would like to disagree at the results? I don't play PGR and HI3, however. I am more favor on having PGR as the winner. Its both complex, good story (From what I've heard), unique mechanics, and pretty F2P friendly. I could say as well for AG, but it doesn't have an Edge like PGR does.

[@Overlord-q5e]

The edits were really good and you had a true natural stance on all of the games. Really great video, and it deserves way more views.

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

Thank you!

[@Sooouuup]

There is no world in which you need a 2.5 minute b-roll intro thats absurd

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

You know you can just: 2:55

[@chiboy5567]

I seem to remember that Ag and hi3 both have 50 50 so you might as well change that pity from 90 to 180. PGR has no 50 50 debut banners are 100% rate up 60 pulls and the weapon banner is 80% rate up meaning out of 100% you have a 1 in 5 chance of not getting the weapon you want 30 pulls and the cub banner is 100% rate up 20 pull total 110 pulls in Ag and hi3 most often than not you will loose the 50 50 and each time you do that is 180 pulls to get the character you want so yeah PGR takes the cake in gacha meaning PGR is the definite winner damn this video had so much I won’t say misinformation more like missing information.

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

There's no 50/50 in either of those games.

[@chiboy5567]

@@ImaginaryWatcher wait what I have lost 50 50 in ag so many times in the early game I quit the game many months ago but if there is no 50 50 in ag I might return back

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

@@chiboy5567 I think it had it a long time ago. Now it no longer does.

[@SecondCom1ng]

Haven't played PGR and probably won't, cause already too many games for my own sake (and there's bound to be more :v). Honkai I played a little, seems nice. Want to go back cause everyone is praising its story. But AG is just top notch imho; model quality, gameplay, casual, f2p friendly. The skill chains are great. And legit some of the best waifus around

[@hiteshmaurya9889]

honkai impact is worth it because of emotional musical cutscene at end of each arc ...its the only game ever that has that....let that sink in.

[@christiabayu3325]

@ohio2561 I play and love PGR too but I can't deny that AG have better character model and graphic,sure PGR got better design and vfx but AG put more budget into their 3d character model and graphic so it's basically better in terms of visual.

[@christiabayu3325]

@ohio2561 PGR is way more creative with their design, if you play AG or put attention to their characters detail it actually more polished than PGR since they use higher 3d model and more fluid animation. I play both game and realize that AG has better polished visual but PGR are much better in their animation and vfx design albeit their lower quality of graphic.

[@aaad3552]

Hi3 has more content, character and energy system. Not to say they let you play random chars u don't have a lot more In my opinion I like pgr combat more then ag. Sure it has less graphic and I hate pgr combat but it still have dept. I like ag bosses/enemies/theme more though.

[@aaad3552]

Hi3 team 👇

[@ImaginaryWatcher]

Y-You do realize I am mainly a Honkai Impact channel right?

[@aaad3552]

@ImaginaryWatcher yes why