The Hanging Debate - Should the UK Bring Back the Death Penalty? (1983)

[@DBIVUK]

There's a tragic irony 30:27 seeing David Amess, then newly-elected, who was murdered in 2021.

[@RetroHobbyMag]

Well spotted ... if ever there was a case for capital punishment.

[@Jeremy-y1t]

Angela Rayner caused his murder.

[@JJVernig]

It's a bit of a rabbit hole, especially for a non-UK-resident, but the subject, quality of the video and the way of interviewing are just compelling. thx!!

[@TomRichards-s9r]

Very well done documentary.

[@CliveEvans-oj2nn]

It needs to be bought back immediately people are too soft in the UK..

[@stephenhardy312]

Don't forget Derek Bentley, hanged in 1953. The judge, LCJ Goddard, had repeatedly wrongly directed the jury. He was later pardoned and, later still his conviction was quashed by the Court of Appeals.

[@The_Penguin_Overlord]

but bentley was dead so what bloody good did it do him or his family.

[@notknown6605]

@@The_Penguin_Overlordyes, that’s the point being made 😅

[@berniefynn6623]

still dead.

[@JohnSmith-it6hj]

lets do forget about Bentley, it was 71 years ago and wouldn't happen today.

[@melgrant7404]

​@JohnSmith-it6hj only because hanging has been abolished otherwise it may well have happened again.

[@footystar1GamingOfficial]

The answer to that? NO. It's not good for anything.

[@lenwilkinson672]

@footystar1Gam. With respect. I very doubt if you would hold that wies if a loved one in your family fell foul of losing their life at the hands of another person.

[@JohnSmith-it6hj]

Course it is, a deterrent and punishment, whats not to like?

[@davidmarchant9386]

So you om with child killers rapists living and breathing at the great expense of the taxpayer ? Now the prisons are overcrowded and prisoners live a life of riley inside with no bills and 3 meals a day tv licence exempt also

[@rinkydinkfretboard8737]

@@lenwilkinson672indeed and the OP understands that. Which is why they don’t advocate for it being an option. There s a reason that judges and not victims pronounce sentences.

[@rinkydinkfretboard8737]

@@JohnSmith-it6hjit does not serve as a deterrent. And it’s not a punishment, it’s an escape from punishment for the guilty.

[@PretzelLogic]

of all the mps to be interviewed here, David Amess

[@rajnirvan3336]

Peter Sissons and Leonard Parkin. Both presented New at One for ITN.

[@geoffsullivan4063]

In very clear cut and exceptionally scrutinised cases without a shadow of doubt and the most obvious evidence being present yes..

[@Paul_Davies]

There needs to be a referendum on this, society has changed far too much since those days and I believe that the greater majority of citizens would vote in favour of bringing it back, prison is a bloody joke nowadays and doesn’t even serve as a deterrent anymore especially when you get to have a TV and games console in your cell

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

A time when there was an intellectual rigour around debates and respect, where people didn’t speak in text speak with an obsession with their instagram account and where alternative facts didn’t exist.

[@ukmapper9997]

Thanks for uploading this! Very interesing

[@version736ha2]

Definitely need to bring it back in very deserving cases

[@constantinvaldor3742]

Your comment is a deserving case.

[@version736ha2]

@constantinvaldor3742 so is yours sugar tits

[@winstoncoolidge1644]

This is never more relevant than now

[@notknown6605]

29:59 the voice of reason.

[@davidmarchant9386]

It needs to be back the country is in a mess

[@Jeremy-y1t]

Capital punishment should never have been abolished.

[@stephenhardy312]

It is not the case that hanging was the only form of execution from the early sixteenth century. Hanging, Drawing and Quartering was available for Treason from its inception in 1359 until its abolition in 1825. Beheading was also available, the last instance of its use being in the 1740's. The 'abolition' of hanging in 1965 was, in fact, a suspension, its abolition for murder being in 1973. Hanging was retained for Treason until 1998, when it was abolished under the Crime and Disorder Act.

[@WillScarlet1991]

4:20 - Whose funeral was that? 😢

[@puppets.and.muppets]

tony blair should test it.

[@angloaust1575]

Would clear the prison overcrowding!

[@Dennycrane757]

No it wouldn’t.

[@Jeremy-y1t]

Derek Bentley was guilty.

[@stanleypines1026]

Short answer- yes.

[@melgrant7404]

As long as a mistake isnt made.then its too late.

[@Jeremy-y1t]

We have DNA now.

[@Me-ji2pn]

Who is guy being interviewed at 12:16?

[@davidmarchant9386]

Lord Denning

[@ScottishRoss27]

No single ''UK'' criminal law system.

[@PCDelorian]

There is not but the prohibition on hanging is a matter of UK law by the Human Rights Act 1998 and cannot be amended by devolved legislation. Devolved legislation was not an option at the time of the original video and only Westminster could make any criminal law. So whilst there is no unified criminal law, this particular issue is an issue of UK law.

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@PCDelorian There is no UK Law.

[@stanleypines1026]

@@ScottishRoss27 Did you even read what he wrote?

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@stanleypines1026 Yes its convoluted, he says there is no single UK criminal law system then says there is then says there's not then says there is.

[@bereal6590]

The idiot in the room is always the one who tells you the people should choose and the will of the people. Translated they mean, it's what I want and im going to con the public to vote for something I want.

[@notknown6605]

Like Boris

[@lenwilkinson672]

Ruth Elllis trial was fypical of the attitude towards a crime of passion.I remember it well.sche never had a chance.the man she shot was a bastard,drunbkard and a parthalogical liar.Ruth loved him hepromised her everything yet gave he nothing.she was driven in the end to shoot him when she eventually realised how he had been two timing her from the word go.She was more sinned against than sinning.She was no murderess as such.

[@stanleypines1026]

@@lenwilkinson672 “Wow, I married the wrong person. Time to kill him!” Not how it works, pal.

[@MeloXKoko]

stops writing letters

[@Bd-ng1zv]

Bring it back.

[@honved1]

Anybody who thinks the state should have the authority to kill a citizen is bonkers.

[@Paul_Davies]

So what you’re saying is it’s fine for people to commit heinous crimes upon society and then have no justice for the victims and then have the tax payer pay to keep that criminal in prison where they never serve the full sentence to be released and run the risk of reoffending

[@davidbamford1971]

Only for the person who bought up the ridiculous proposal again.

[@scroggins100]

I have been against it for years.. But, recently there have been some most deserving cases!

[@davidmarchant9386]

The cases have always been here

[@astridjones6327]

What was the outcome of the debate?

[@davidmarchant9386]

They is no death penalty here not hard to work out

[@astridjones6327]

@ But it sounded like there was going to be a vote or something? Is that still going to happen?

[@davidmarchant9386]

@astridjones6327 no this was 41 years ago

[@astridjones6327]

@@davidmarchant9386 Oh right. Didn’t realise!

[@stephenhardy312]

5:67 It is incorrect to say 'one point sixty seven (1.67). We more properly say 'one point six seven'.

[@ChengMcGoldstein]

You must be fun at parties.

[@MarcPagan]

Similar to Tariffs, the Death Penalty is an excellent negotiating tool.

[@BONK_2000]

Except tariffs don't work and usually produce a net negative for countries imposing them.

[@stanleypines1026]

@@BONK_2000Completely wrong but ok

[@MarcPagan]

@@BONK_2000 Sometimes, true. As one with an Econ background, not a fan of tariffs in general. But, if a country subsidizes, or enables pollution etc.....which artificially lower production costs...."If you don't play by our rules, we'll play by yours"...must be.

[@SamuelBlack84]

Centuries ago, we had multiple methods of horrible torture But people still committed crimes It isn't a deterrent

[@brianeynon5406]

Dna can remove any doubt if a person is guilty on these cases

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

No, it can't.

[@Dbdbe1]

Complete rubbish - real life isn't like CSI

[@sick9990101]

the extend of Tory idiocy already the eighties is mindblowing. It has been proven a thousand times that the death penalty leads to nowhere.

[@johncassani6780]

What does it matter where it leads? Death is the only just punishment for certain crimes. Where it is an option, it is possible for authority to extend clemency. If the justice system is not capable of convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt, then it has no business sending someone to prison. It is certainly possible to reserve the death penalty to convictions based on hard forensic evidence, or, in some cases, where the facts of the case are not in dispute.

[@ryanohara476]

Yes Where there is 100% forensic DNA evidence! It would also act as a deteriant!

[@honved1]

Albert Pierrepoint didn’t think so

[@SamuelBlack84]

It isn't

[@gitfoad8032]

What about a situation where extraordinary technologies are used to physically & psychologically torture people, remotely, "untraceable/no evidence", so that they are compelled to kill themselves to "escape" the "pain is all in the mind". & those people are of the national blackstate, or so closely affiliated as to be indistinguishable. What then? - Now? Former UK.

[@SamuelBlack84]

I'd call that extremely cruel, especially if you enjoy it Could you willingly do that to someone?

[@andybray9791]

Both death penalty and abortion are abhorrent

[@davidparry5310]

The difference is that one involves the state-sanctioned murder in cold blood of a bona fide, sentient human being and the other involves someone legitimately exercising their bodily autonomy by ceasing to directly provide their body for the benefit of a (potential) other human being.

[@ChengMcGoldstein]

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Even God supports the death penalty.

[@SamuelBlack84]

That doesn't sound very loving of him Good thing he isn't real if he's as bloodthirsty as you

[@Dennycrane757]

Which only goes to show that “God” is a homicidal, albeit fictional tyrant.

[@Dbdbe1]

God doesn't exist

[@bereal6590]

Hanging was and is diabolical and never solved crime, Breaks my heart that innocent people were hung! Especiallym comes to mind that poor lad (I forget his name), accused of killing his wife and child, he was hung and ut wasn't him! He was a bit slow and got stitched up! Crazy to think this debate went on. What we should have is ACTUAL LIFE SENTENCES meaning life with NO parole for all murderers whether they're 12,15, 50 or 95! Life should mean life and longer sentences for any violent crime with on licence for life.

[@bereal6590]

Ah yes for Tim Evans. Poor lad and his poor wife and baby. Awful case.

[@notknown6605]

I was with you until you suggested sentencing children as adults.

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

@@notknown6605 Bulgers killers?

[@PureHairdressing-k7w]

bring it back

[@berniefynn6623]

NO,TO MANY INNOCENT HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED

[@davidmarchant9386]

Not in 2024 they haven't and not 1983 either it's called justice