The Hard Life Of A Victorian Fishmonger | Time Crashers | Absolute History

[@andreab5356]

Kirstie is always spot on.."I get food, board, shagging. The things I like."

[@sarah3796]

Greg again being the hardest worker in the episode. Damn he's as hard a worker as he is cute.

[@alisom8210]

I’d love to see other seasons of these be made! Even other locations and whatnot… seriously, Kristie Alley has won my respect! Not that she cares, but that woman just keeps a positive can-do attitude in each of these!!!

[@Artemis_jay]

RIP Kirstie 😢 👼🏻

[@Stitchxavi]

I will claim that as part of our American optimism 🇺🇸

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

Rip Kirstie Alley. You will be missed for your acting roles and wonderful personality.

[@dax5791]

Zoe's "I should've been a boy" statement really brings home how much these people must have suffered from their enforced segregation between men and women. I wonder how much they missed from not letting a dextrous man do "women's work", or a strong woman do "men's work".

[@aironiversen9214]

Maybe so.. but I'd be willing to bet that Zoe's case she wouldn't have been saying that she wished she was a boy when she realized she wasn't going to "play with the animals" but be cleaning shit off their backsides as well as shoveling literally a ton of shit out of the court yard. She actually walked out of her job in the previous episode bc she refused to pluck feathers off of 3 birds for crying out loud. Idk.. maybe I'm wrong.

[@venus_envy]

If you watch fact feast's channel, there are tonnes of examples in the 19th century of women doing the work of men. The poorer you were, the less division by sex in labour there was (besides reproductive labour, which can only be done by women, obviously). These kinds of shows emphasize the rules that were supposed to be imposed on women, but in reality they weren't always. Women worked in mines, even when it was made illegal, they shovelled street muck, they hauled stone, they kneaded dough, everything. If work needed to me done and there wasn't enough men to do it, or no men, women stepped in. It wasn't considered ideal, but it was the done thing.

[@shivadizayin]

@@aironiversen9214 you’re right

[@gingerhiser7312]

@@aironiversen9214 Imagine you are assigned a job based on a characteristic that has no bearing on the qualifications for the job. Blue eyed and you are confined to kitchen. Brown eyed and you are assigned to outside work. For some, the job will be a good fit and for others, not so much, yet if they complain they are told there is something wrong with them and they should just do the job as assigned.

[@shivadizayin]

She did get her chance with chris and they flooded the boat….

[@bodilthomassen7490]

Such an underrated amazing show!!!! I love time crashers

[@theminimalistguy6843]

I completely agree with you... Seriously, this channel deserves more subscribers...

[@rebeccahenry6376]

Kirstie's "I've screwed mine up a bit". Love it!

[@karanfield4229]

She's great huh.❤

[@MissJudyJetson]

Love this show! I wish they could make new episodes! I'm no one famous but I would definitely volunteer to be on the show.

[@tee1up785]

You are beautiful enough to be famous. ☺️

[@pennypaige8864]

Same! This is my dream. How fun would it be!

[@teentraveler1790]

I would totally sign the waver that they aren't guilty if I ever get hurt in the show so I wouldn't sue them. Which I wouldn't anyway but it would be necessary for others.

[@2_thumbs_up_baby]

@@tee1up785 🥱

[@tee1up785]

@@2_thumbs_up_baby ah! I get it! Nobody puts “2 thumbs up Baby” in the corner! I lol at your grab for attention. Cant yawn at that!

[@thnwgrl]

The socialite, Meg, has done an amazing job through this series

[@noblemily]

All the workers wanted was just a humble job with normal respect. No matter where or when.

[@mr.ichbins8107]

And no matter what century they're in the one thing that remains the same is that the poor always had it the worst. Those women had to do all that work and not get paid a cent. Outrageous.

[@joy7218]

Woman always have it bad

[@theghostinthemirror8158]

I was happy for Zoe this episode! Clearly she was very out of her element in the previous, “kitchen” eras.

[@brandilowe1916]

"food, board, shagging...the things l i like" my new motto:)

[@JessieBanana]

I love this show. This is my type of "reality" show. Learn something about history, learn a little bit more about people you've seen and their skills, but everyone is nice (and not in a fake way) and there isn't any cattiness. It's not about showing people at their worst and watching train wrecks happening. No shame if that's you're thing, it's just always made me really uncomfortable. I don't find it entertaining.

[@user-io4om7cz3o]

This is legit my favorite series lately I. Instantly waiting for new episodes

[@bubby1flapjack]

For anyone who loved this show, there was an almost identical show that came out the same year called 24 hrs in the past. Give it a go if you are sad this show was cut short, youll get 4 more episodes of similar adventures.

[@franhunne8929]

Kirstie: "I get food, board, shagging - the things I like!" - She earned my respect in the Georgian farm-episode - but this quote is divine!

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

I thought she was vulgar on the last part. Also, she lied. She likes other things cause you can see her get dressed up like many other celebs. Also, wouldn't she miss acting since she's was a actress? So she likes other things too. In these past eras, she might have been poor and unable to afford to be a actress. She was put in the roles and jobs of poor people. At the end of the series she said she enjoyed doing this but would not want to do it again. So she wanted to return to her modern and wealthy life. So she was dishonest.

[@bassplayer2996]

Yes, I've been waiting for the time crashers episode, thank you!

[@mermaidmelodyfan12]

Kirstie Alley is just a treat to watch. They're all fun to watch, mind you, but she's my personal favorite.

[@alextherealalien1107]

Same here, she's amazing.

[@resnonverba137]

@@alextherealalien1107 She's awful!

[@bronxbearbud272]

@@resnonverba137 Who is this, Shelley Long? You said the same thing when she replaced you in Cheers!

[@resnonverba137]

@@bronxbearbud272 I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm sure it's highly amusing.

[@grown.ass.nerd.]

Mine too, she is honestly trying very hard in each era. Her work ethic is admirable.

[@FireFr0ggy]

Food that used to be poor man's meal: oyster, salmon, lobster.

[@Fridelain]

Monkfish, quinoa, sushi, caviar, escargot

[@jenniferjuniper97]

and chuck roasts

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

Oysters and lobsters were a poor man's food because they ate them dead, so they tasted bad. It was only when it become customary to keep them alive for longer when they became tasty food. Roman elites were really into oyster farming.

[@rosestewart1606]

where my dad grew up in Nova Scotia, lobster was used as fish bait. Even salt cod was worth so mucg more than lobsters, but lobsters took almost nothing to catch. Only the poor kids took lobster sandwiches to school for the lunch and that was often him.

[@Fridelain]

@@YouViolatedTheNAP Eating the same thing over and over gets boring, no mather how good. And they probably had no means or idea of how to cook them properly for best taste and texture.

[@about2mount]

You all missed a major thing here, Indentured servants, children laborers were common before the 19th century. One farm, Inn, Tavern or a small Bakery could have had four or five of them buggers aged seven to 15 years old doing all the hard work. Yes sir 24/7, 14 to 16 hours per day, all got rooms and meals to pay off debts of their parents. Sometimes under extreme working conditions likewise.

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

That would be illegal to include and also dangerous and cruel so they left that out

[@jaywilliams306]

This is a series that I definitely can get behind. I love these episodes.

[@2_thumbs_up_baby]

I adore Kirstie.shes funny and gets stuck in and never complains.she needs to be on more of these shows 👍👍💜

[@AustinsAwesomeAdventures]

Fishmongers. Very interesting and the way they were during that Year is so different from the 21st century fisheries.

[@Sn33kyy]

victorians did smile in pictures just not that often it took a while for the picture to be taken so they usually kept a straight face just imagine trying to hold a smiley for a long time

[@jamesgrandone3955]

I love these series! Thank you for posting them to KZbin!

[@randyromines7364]

I love these living back in time series - could watch them weekly!

[@robertbirke243]

1885, my Grandfather is 4 years old and living on a farm in Hunterdon County New Jersey. Born in Germany, his older brother and sister Emigrated with their mother to meet up with their father who came prior. Yes I knew him and I'm 64. So not to long ago. My 4th Great Grandparents on another branch were fish mongers in London England but settled in Dover New Hampshire in 1623 hence my LOVE of the sea and seafood. Live in Portsmouth N.H..

[@Juliita65]

Oh god, it’s been fantastic! I want this show lasts forever!!!!

[@kaptainkaos1202]

What I don’t understand is these people signed up to do this and Chris whines about the hard work and leans on his pole a lot. If he’s not into it why do it? Oh and Kirstie is AWESOME! What a joy to watch and she’s into her role to the hilt!

[@juliajs1752]

Kirstie's a real joy in this show. She's humble, willing to get down and dirty, willing to learn, polite and still always up for a joke.

[@maggsbufton1969]

Zoe was just an ANNOYINGLY useless whinging “ dead weight “ who had to be lifted and carried through by her team mates… Has she no work ethic? No integrity ? No loyalty or team spirit ,? No pride or dignity? Her attitude is very POOR.

[@shivadizayin]

Yea she is great. Also Greg Rutherford.. they just get down to the job and go at it.

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

"Signing up" for something and being explicitly informed of each individual task to be undertaken are two completely different things altogether. That's a really slap dash way to analyse it that you've done there.

[@annmarie4794]

Love these time crashes programs! I look forward to them.

[@karanfield4229]

Kirsty has a wonderful attitude. Strong interesting and beautiful. 🌹😊

[@colleen2864]

Kirsty is the best!!! That woman is so well tempered, positive, and clever. She makes me feel like a starstruck pre-teen again 😍😍😍 Fabulous role model

[@JOLENE2008]

hugs hugs to Kristie Alley for taking part in these stories

[@rayskitten78]

Zoe should not of been chosen for this series her body is strong but a strong mind was more important

[@user-io4om7cz3o]

Right? Kirstie really surprised me with how awesome she is!

[@gailcbull]

This episode should have been Zoe's era. I was actually optimistic when they sent her out into the boat, because I thought a good, hard, physical task would help her shine. She's always carrying on about how she wishes she was a boy, and how she loves physical work, so I thought "perfect! Get her rowing." But she even failed at that. The editors were kind to her. They show her taking over the oars and then the next shot is the boat drifting back to shore, and Chris taking over rowing again. So far the only task she hasn't failed at is gathering and carrying seaweed. A task that requires a lot of strength but no skill or co-ordination.

[@barbarat5729]

Should not have. Strong mind?

[@ashleyg39]

This didn’t require a “strong mind” per say. It required the women to adhere to traditional roles. And she’s obviously a not so traditional woman

[@sendieloo]

@@ashleyg39 per se

[@Moranthyst]

It was so funny when he shouts "I'm stuck!!" and do a little dance XD

[@spookayitsme]

Zoe is just such a complainer

[@heidikersey7280]

She must have been bored in life and wanted something different to do.

[@OstblockLatina]

The way I see it is that either the strength of muscles or of the wit is nothing in a situation of crisis if it's not paired with a strength of character, discipline and dedication. And that is something I am missing in Zoe and Chris. I wouldn't want to be stranded on a deserted island with any of them, because they would just fail me and die miserably, taking me with them to an early grave. They proved their uselessness and incompetence to perform or even to begin to undertake the easiest tasks in more than one episode and let their colleagues down repeatedly. What I'm missing in this episode is the actual confrontation with the part of their life they'd live after hours - their living conditions, the beds, or the lack of them, they's sleep in, cooking and hygiene appliances etc. They only made it through the work shift, but we learned nothing about their house quarters.

[@aj-sz8mu]

if they wanted us to see how people truly lived and did these jobs in these times, they would have hired experts for each position. What we're seeing isnt some authentic life of the past. Its how we, people of the 21st century, would do in these times. Not everyone will be ok with the jobs. So a mix of people able to do it, and those not able to is a good mixture of representation. I think the show you're looking for is naked and afraid. Absolute History has some episodes with true experts at work as well.

[@benberlin57]

@@aj-sz8mu You have a point, if anything, perhaps they could have gotten a cast that wasn't 90% celebrity, like have Doug from the local Burger King or what-have-you. Still, a fun and informative show, we in the modern era tend to romanticize the past (the good old days), Like the Edwardian age is seen as a grand spectacle full of marvelous inventions and extravagant pageantry (Titanic for example), we give little thought to the hard brutal realities that were the true "bedrock". In my own case, I may complain about my job but compared to the jobs these guys get, my 30-35 hour work week is an absolute breeze.

[@JessieBanana]

I feel like some folks are overly negative about them, especially Zoe. In a population of people not every single person is the same and I feel like that is represented well on this show. Zoe did a good job this episode. The only part she failed at was rowing a boat. That is a skill, especially in an ocean against the current. That was a task most people would have failed at if they never tried, especially under pressure and fatigued. What we see on this show is people with a variety of skills, some people come in with more farm/culinary skills than others, some are quicker learners than others, and that is pretty true to life. Calling someone useless is really drastic and hurtful. I don't think it's necessary here, it's just an educational TV show.

[@x0539p]

Love this series, so entertaining and educational.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

I used to work as a logger (in forestry) the conditions were pretty similar to this. Cold mud, mud, and more mud. I'm just glad I didn't have to wear a dress and I got paid well.

[@KathleenMahaney]

Can you imagine doing that job in a dress..ugh

[@SarV1]

As a loggers wife, I can attest to the mud (and cold, and rain). 😂 Sometimes, no matter the era, there are things that can not be avoided 🙃

[@OstblockLatina]

19:50 - because propriety was more important to the bigoted society than practical issues. When the wide, middle- and high-class society learned that women working in coal, slate and other mines (yes, they performed subservient functions under the ground, pretty much like mules did), were rather scantily clad during their work (not even remotely as scantily as modern beach goers, but yeah) what the public was most horrified with was not the laughably meager pay they received or the horrifying conditions they worked in, no - what was most shocking for nicely clad, well-off and sated people who never had their hands dirty with honest work was that the aforementioned women worked half-naked because of the high temperatures deep under the surface of the Earth. Which was followed by those oh so holy people influencing the government on banning those women from the work and rather having them starve from lack of means to live than to allow them to take their petticoats off for the sake of their comfort at work.

[@gaelmaid45]

Why on Earth didn't the historians have the ladies fold their skirts up instead of dragging them? I've seen literally dozens of photographs of 19th century fish wives and they all have folded skirts.

[@mnf2139]

As if they know. They were thrown into the job with no prior knowledge. Imagine you were thrown into a butler serving Queen Vic! You don't even know which silverware is which. And if I were thrown into farming, I'd lose my grains and have migrains

[@maggsbufton1969]

It’s simply a lack of problem solving skills. I would have hitched up and tied up my skirts within my belt in the first five minutes. Addendum: Perhaps they did it for dramatic effect…because the women DID hitch up their skirts. Gods, Zoe is useless ..a total DEAD WIEGHT …How ironic eh?

[@henryscarhead6119]

Weirdly enough, here in the Philippines a big portion of our provincial towns still do this but the fish we just saok them in salt and sun/air dry them for easily frying.

[@marshamarsha5204]

I can smell the fish and guts watching this.....i can feel the cold and damp.... Anyone else have all of your senses kick in watching these shows?

[@NicWalker627]

I get food, board, shagging... all the things I like.. Im dead xD Thank you kirstie.

[@commonsense1907]

Great video. It was mentioned the boats were at the mercy of the weather. Indeed they were with sails. Mariners abandoned sails for engines to make ocean travel safer. Yet today, some want to base the power grid on fickle wind, and more fickle solar. Looks like some need to learn the lesson known during the 19th cent the hard way.

[@victoriahill7857]

Iam really liking these shows. I think this one should more of what they were really made of in the work they did. They seemed to feel more alive. In a good way. Awesome 👌.. thank you once again for the history lesson.

[@katinamartin7934]

i loved this show shame there was only 6 ep's

[@mr.hartwood7121]

Zoe annoys the hell out of me. Like you signed up and agreed to this, effing do it. Grow an effing backbone.

[@mr.hartwood7121]

But also this show is fucking awesome, I wish there was more that I could binge

[@atchedai8576]

she's the only reason why I don't want to continue to watch the show, after her drama on preparing a boar's head and a bird.. should booted out if she refuses to do anything that they tell her

[@cthulhudreams]

She does that every episode. It made me realise how annoying it is for other people to hear you complain all the time lol

[@ivyrose779]

Right?! It’s ridiculous!

[@Gingagirl]

I feel so bad for her. She's obviously SUFFERING from a phobia, and should seek treatment. Most of us will face this issue in our lifetime ourselves - and many of us already know what it feels like. She deserves our empathy.

[@billmiller4972]

Highly interesting. Hard to fathom that the people at that time did this day after day. In comparison we're weaklings.

[@Alyssav90]

Lol Chris, "I'd rather eat junk food and hug the radiator" literally me

[@thewhisperingsylph8738]

They should've done it for at least a week/era.

[@dougthompson5586]

?

[@heidikersey7280]

They would have a heart attack!!

[@thewhisperingsylph8738]

@@heidikersey7280 There are other similar series where the participants spend longer time in an era with their respective roles, ranging from weeks to months. One day or a couple of days per era sound like a series made for spoiled people who can only tolerate certain degree of adversity. Longer stay = longer immersion.

[@rosestewart1606]

well at least long enough to sleep in a bed. It makes a difference when you don't even have time to have a warm bath or a comfy bed, especially when you're cold all day.

[@seraphilight]

@@thewhisperingsylph8738 Actually, we've no idea if those series are literally every day or if they even spend nights there. Plus, those are historians and archaeologists who know how to do everything and find it fun. They haven't told the celebrity groups much at all. Not to mention actual people of the era were far more trained up for this sort of devastating behavior and ate far more calories to support it. The modern day person is less skilled and less fit.

[@briaginter4837]

Really enjoying this new series

[@OstblockLatina]

Honestly, Absolute History, you need to stop waving that cute ginger guy in front of my eyes, because he's so fit he's not letting me focus on the show. And the fact that he's younger than me is not making me feel any less awkward.

[@Juliita65]

I couldn’t agree more!!!!! Hahahahaha...

[@MissJudyJetson]

You guys are speaking my language! I completely agree with both.

[@netsk2000]

Well, he's 6 years older than this now at least 😏 He's definitely cute, always felt like he was a nice guy too.

[@ala4737]

@@netsk2000 this show is that old?

[@karanfield4229]

Eye candy is good for the soul.👌

[@tessarose3650]

I find this quite funny. I come from a mussel fishing family, and we still use hand tools as shown in this film, to gather and clean the mussels; nets, rakes, and riddles. On an average day I can rake up 20 bushel sacks on my own in the few hours of low tide. It's funny that it took so many men to just rake up 4 sacks

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

They were beginners. You might be as clumsy or lost doing something new too. Some of them might not exercise, like the nonathlete ones, as many modern people don't do.

[@rox7651]

Kirsty alley always makes me laugh in these episodes

[@lisaenglert3202]

Thank you so much for all the uploads. Absolutely love these sort of shows.

[@sarisari4521]

I'm interested in iron age episode! The result of their victorian photo is beautiful.

[@caligurlbornraised1874]

Love The Time Crashers!😍💪

[@andreab5356]

My dad and bro loved the fish roe and milt (fisher family) but I don't enjoy myself.

[@ivanajurisova1911]

Should be more series like this absolutely loved it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@robertcorradi8573]

Really good programme. Excellent .

[@lisaahl2451]

Please tell me you’re making more of these. I can’t get enough.❤

[@jeanninereynolds4989]

RIP Kirsty. You are missed

[@0hMyLife]

I LOVE THIS SERIES!!!!!!! GIVE ME MOOOORE!!!! Lol 😁😁

[@allisonburris5681]

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode!

[@shotgunbettygaming]

Bro...fish roe is delish.

[@jennifergarcia1147]

Why did Zoey even agree to do this series? She’s always unhappy and never wants to work. Did she lose a bet?

[@acearanas7821]

Zoe should have been booted off the show. She makes a fuss on every episode and is acting like a spoiled brat.

[@alextherealalien1107]

She's uncomfortable, not a spoiled brat, though I do agree she's not the best for the show.

[@resnonverba137]

Agreed. She seems unable to get into the spirit of the show. She does not earn her pay.

[@seraphilight]

They always have someone who does in the ones with celebrities. Brings in views.

[@resnonverba137]

@Buttered Lumps They may show how different people would react initially, but to quit as she has twice up until now would mean possible starvation for her and her family. To be suitable for this show, she needs to show determination, not how wet she is.

[@resnonverba137]

@Buttered Lumps You don't see the punishments, she quits and walks off. Kirsty is a very odd choice for this very British show. I can only imagine that someone took pity on her for her waning popularity in the US. It doesn't seem to have helped, as she's even less popular now.

[@ljb8157]

Despite the scientology...I absolutely love Kirsty Alley!

[@dustinryan1336]

Right? Down to earth and likable, hard to believes she’s involved with that cult.

[@sarahhorton329]

Wonderful ep

[@jakeedwards8143]

What is the music called from 1:40 to 2:22 ?

[@korynegama2390]

I Love this serie! Amazing

[@wdjones4735]

Amazing!!!! What a great episode❤️👍🏻

[@tracyllewellyn5258]

If this series is ever done again, I think it would be interesting to also include some modern-day farmers. I think it would change the dynamic.

[@kathywithak7529]

Excellent!!! I’ve been wanting to see how my ancestors lived and have not been able to find fishing village series Thank you 🙏

[@hannahcollins1816]

There's a really good one on Acorn TV called "1900 Island" that I highly recommend! It was excellent. They had a few families living in an old fishing village on an island and they were fully immersed in that way of life.

[@kathywithak7529]

@@hannahcollins1816 Wow! Thank you ☺️

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Watch the series with Ruth Goodman, such as Victorian Farm, etc. It's mostly about farming but there's a bit of fishing, and other things like cooking, herbal remedies, Christmas, etc.

[@moriahlyn]

I love this show.

[@shawnnewell4541]

Ok. I rowed boats at summer camp and yes keeping the oars in the oar locks is hard but I never capsized the boat as a result! You never stand up in a boat you crouch to avoid that.

[@robertbirke243]

Love this series.

[@kristinwright6632]

So let me get this straight after seeing several of these. The champion weightlifter is a princess while the Hollywood star just gets stuck in. Go Kirstie. Never had much respect for her, probably her Scientology connection, but this one I really hand it to her. She makes us Americans look good.

[@sarah3796]

When the boat sunk aaahhh that kind mature ages man walk into the water to help.

[@joanbaker3710]

Now all i want is seafood, especially some fish and chips!

[@abbydrew9092]

How do you apply to do these experiments? It would be fun to go back to the 80s for like a month or something.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

I've just happened to see ads sometimes asking people to apply or audition for shows. Such as commercials on tv. Now, I don't watch tv. Maybe you can look up these things. The Turn Back Time show had regular people and their families come on and live and work in past eras. People can also push for the public to be able to experience this. Like a theme park, hotel, festival, or event. There are medieval fairs.

[@LuzMaria95]

R.I.P. Kirstie 🙏🏽

[@Zakkrifice]

Mornin'! Nice day for fishin' ain't it?

[@karic9805]

Love Time Crashers!

[@TintinFanTintinfan234]

Love this series!

[@deborahshallin5843]

I love fried fish eggs! They are delicious! Catfish and Bass roe is what I have eaten, but I am willing to try any other kind as well. I am willing to try the male reproductive system as well.

[@kimlee1416]

Well done ladies and men.

[@horsesandsmilesable]

I love this show!!

[@sarahnixdorf1]

Love Time Crashers, I think my nephew would be interested in this series. Anything with Tony da man Robinson I'm in love 🥰 😍 ❤ 💖 with. History Jobs are another good one.

[@shellc6743]

Tony is annoying and he's not da man.

[@removalist1995]

Very interesting!

[@jamesbishop5119]

Congrats for winning semi-famous people! Here, have your reward of cheap-ass fish and chips with no tomato sauce! Lol but they seemed to enjoy it so no problem.

[@binahnguyen3006]

I don’t think I could finish this crash. This looks very challenging

[@LordEvan5]

Tallow linseed and tar sounds like a rag fire to me

[@miriam6549]

I would just drop it all and cry

[@Love.Em84]

The UK has such better tv (and about everything else) than the US

[@JulieWallis1963]

We know ☺️

[@ivyrose779]

They definitely have the market cornered on history shows.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

28:08 So back then roe was for poor people, and some people are disgusted by it like Zoe, but today it's a expensive luxury food.

[@2_thumbs_up_baby]

Y dont they label these shows better. I would nvr have looked at if reading the title.

[@Bossmare40]

The cookies could have been saved by creaming the sugar into the shortening, (lard, butter,) using more flour. Still, good save by Kirstie. The guys were dangerous with scissors. Keep your fingers between the blade and the animal's skin. I was afraid they were going to circumcise the little bastard! These people would have fared better if they'd known modern methods, maybe. Tapping on a loaf of bread is how to test it. If it sound hollow, it's done. The cooking surface of the oven is cleaned with a wire brush. You wouldn't feed those burnt crusts to the animals. Had I been present in the kitchen I'd offered my own recipe....for gun powder, lol.

[@lone6718]

I swear, Kristi is my spirt person.......