The Hardest Engineering Major and How To Learn It

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[@kensingsta]

What I remember about undergrad engineering was that we were always in the library studying, while the business majors were out at the bar every night.

[@ruleaus7664]

And all that for someone with a business degree to be your boss.

[@alanguages]

I heard a lot of that also in the medical field. Business grads were telling nurses and other health care workers how to do their jobs. @@ruleaus7664

[@daheinz27]

@@ruleaus7664lol no good engineers with management skills get management jobs not someone who knows nothing about engineering

[@ege8240]

@@daheinz27 lmao found the student with no job experience

[@badass6300]

@@daheinz27 Sadly that isn't always true, especially in the big companies.

[@elmer6123]

I received a BS degree in EE in 1967, back when some classes were still teaching how to design electronic circuits containing vacuum tubes. Thirteen years later I received a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering because I found ME to be more interesting and in line with what I wanted to accomplish. Since 1967, EE has advanced so much more than ME, I truly believe it may be the most difficult engineering curriculum.

[@jo971000]

wow, that's awesome. how old are you today? where i live is kind of hard to see someone with 70+ with a degree, even less in EE

[@JeffRyman69]

I received a BS in Nuclear Engineering in 1969, with a "minor" or emphasis in Electrical Engineering. I was caught in the transition from vacuum tubes to transistors when taking Electronics I and II. I didn't have to take Electronics III. I had Circuit Theory I, II, and III, which I assume didn't change much with the transition to transistors. Nuclear Engineering at Kansas State had begun as an offshoot of Chemical Engineering, and both required 148 semester hours for the BS in those days. So some considered them the hardest simply because it was normally a 4 1/2 year curriculum. The other engineering majors required 136 semester hours, still a pretty good class load. After service in the Army I went back for an MS and Ph. D. in Nuclear Engineering with a minor in Mechanical Engineering. The graduate level fluid flow and heat transfer classes in Mechanical Engineering required as much math as the Nuclear Engineering classes. That was where the mechanical engineers learned about partial differential equations (think heat conduction and Navier-Stokes equations) and Monte Carlo simulation (think transport [movement and interaction] of photons primarily in the thermal radiation spectrum). The hardest class I ever took was a graduate level seminar in two phase flow, which was taught from the proceedings of a recent conference on that topic. There were quite a variety of papers in the conference proceedings covering a combination of theory and application. Trying to understand all those papers without the benefit of a few years of actual work in the field was very difficult for me. In terms of what I perceive to be today's curricula, I think EE might be the hardest in terms of things like design and manufacturing of very large integrated circuits. That requires an understanding of large numbers of interconnected transistor circuits, which I assume requires a decent mastery of mathematics as well as a good understanding of engineering materials from both a chemical and physical viewpoint, and of manufacturing processes. I have seen comments on other KZbin videos about engineering curricula that believe that aeronautical engineering is also very demanding and I can understand that viewpoint too.

[@umeng2002]

@@JeffRyman69 I have a BS and MS in Mechanical Engineering and I tend to agree. EE is a bit of a hobby to me as we only had to take one or EE classes for our BSME and have learned way more about it after my formal education. Intermediate Heat Transfer and Intermediate Fluid Mechanics really ramps things up in grad school. Frankly, I would never advise someone who hates math to get into Engineering. Not that everyone in Engineering is a math wiz, but you need to be able to handle it. Aeronautical Engineering is very closely related to ME except you get a bit more specific with aerodynamics and other related topics. It's a few different elective classes compared to pure ME.

[@divyangvaidya1999]

yeah it has advanced a lot since then, PCBs can be now its own class. But it is nothing that is too far gone that you cannot learn now.

[@reimannx33]

Methinks you have blown many 'circuitry" components in your brain.

[@stevenreynolds8393]

My education was in Chemical and Metallurgical Engineering. Chemical Engineering can be considered difficult because some aren't that thrilled with chemistry. Also they go quite deep into a subject called "Transport Phenomena" (Momentum, Heat and Mass transfer) which can get deep into applied math. However, I agree that Electrical is probably the hardest for most people. Both for the heavy dependence on math, as you pointed out, and also it deals with some difficult physics concepts like magnetic fields, etc.. It's just difficult to understand how electronics actually works sometimes. A popular book geared more towards practical electronics is "The Art of Electronics" by Thomas C. Hayes. However I get bogged down when I try to read it.

[@juansolis8891]

Great book.

[@bitterbob30]

Yep, a lot of stuff in EE isn't intuitive and that's what makes it very difficult. At least with MechE you have an idea of how forces act on things because you experience them every day. A lot of electrical stuff is basically invisible or the only experience you have is turning on a switch or getting shocked. When the curriculum dumps imaginary numbers on you in the first week; you know you're in for a fun time.

[@Surge_Arrester]

I am electrical engineer. In the past worked for electrical contracting and consulting. Now, I am working for a power utility company, we take into account Transport Phenomena for the installation of power electrical equipment. To engineer (design) Power transformers and power cables mind blowing engineering. Oh... I forgot mention Quantum Physics to engineer electrical equipment. Since this year, I am learning Earthquake and more in-depth mechanical engineering for the electrical equipment installations because I am working in an Earthquake country.

[@joshescobar3065]

I've tried using BSL for transport, but it doesn't make it easier. And it's commonly referred to as "the bible". Lol

[@stevenreynolds8393]

@@joshescobar3065 Yes, the famous (to Chemical Engineers) Bird, Stewart and Lightfoot. I had the old red version in college. I think it's only been revised once, and I also have the newer version. The new version is probably a little friendlier to learn from. One of my professors did his graduate work at University of Wisconsin and had one of those authors as an advisor.

[@StaticBlaster]

When I was in school, a lot of people thought electrical/computer engineering was the hardest.

[@bitterbob30]

Computer engineering isn't even close to being in the same league as far as difficulty. EE is in a world of its own. ChemE ain't no joke either, but even it pales in comparison to the difficulty of EE. I got a MechE degree which wasn't too bad then followed it up a few years later with a Computer Eng degree. The CE degree was a breeze compared to MechE.

[@alanguages]

I also heard Aerospace Engineering is in the top three with Chemical and Electrical.@@bitterbob30

[@chickenstrangler3826]

​@@bitterbob30 I feel like Biomedical engineering would be the hardest.

[@SC-mf1gc]

EE were always working. No social life. They were always breaking down, freaking out. Some crying from stress. The math was beyond anything the other majors did. Civil Eng were partying every weekend and goofing off.

[@lukieswiss5555]

​@@bitterbob30 thoughts on Civil Engineering?

[@lazmotron]

Out of all the Scientist, I always admired James Clerk Maxwell, the Scottish Scientist that created the science of electromagnetism, with a very high esteem. All modern electronics, including the computer, we owe to him. Thank Sorcerer! The Math Sorcerer makes exploring math fun!

[@arthurewrel9521]

What about Nikolai Tesla?

[@fadhliammartaqiyuddinhakim5750]

Ah yes, Maxwell the GOAT. Idk how he could came up with those equations, he also haven't proved his statements regarding the correlation between electric and magnetic field, yet when someone did try to prove it, he was actually right!

[@odayadel3605]

It was actually mostly faraday’s work that Maxwell translated into mathematics, although I’m not entirely certain of the whole story.

[@liammahon8157]

I’m an electrical engineering student at Rutgers. I am a junior. Although you may see videos or tutorials that seem so advanced and complicated you have no idea what’s going on, I promise you that becoming an electrical engineer is possible. It takes time and dedication, but any human being can do the work and learn TONS of information. When you live the language of EE, it becomes second nature and doesn’t seem so bad after all.

[@theblackswordsman5171]

Electrical is the one that I'm naturally inclined to learn. I love circuits, troubleshooting and the history.

[@zentyler1646]

Same with me. Electrical would be easier for me than, say, mechanical, due to differences in interest.

[@davidjohnston4240]

I studied a lot of electrical engineering at college, even though I was doing a computer science degree. This was back in the day when a computer science degree curriculum expected you to be able to build one as well as program one. Laplace transforms I found to be an excellent and reasonably simple method to solve equations that would be hard to do other ways and often the equations for a circuit could easily be moved into the Laplace domain, messed with and moved back again. It has helped me a lot over the years being able to both program and design hardware. My career path has involved both hardware and software for most of the last 30 something years.

[@crew_the3rd]

It hit me when he said EEs do homework all the time on the floor with no AC, I didn't just feel that I remembered it 😖. I was always maxxed out and busy as an EE, I though that was normal until I talk to other majors. I still love it because we are so practical and hands on. I say that you should not learn EE through a text book alone. Labs are the most important. Learn what and how instruments work. Do labs on the DMM, Oscilloscope, Spectrum Analyzer, Waveform Generator, and Network Analyzer. Labs on foundational circuits, making PCBs, Schematics, and micro controllers. As an EE I did not realize we were one of the hardest but it does makes sense.

[@billc4993]

As a EE I would have to say there are other, harder, degrees. Aerospace, biomed, maybe chemical come to mind. Calculus and diff-equ was required but only really used in the electromagnetics course.

[@Surge_Arrester]

Seems you are not doing real Electrical Engineering in life. I am Electrical Engineer. My question to you, do you know the engineering needed to design and manufacture Power Transformer and power cables? mind blowing engineering mate...

[@billc4993]

@@Surge_Arrester I was referring to what was required in my EE program. Granted it has been 50 years so my information may be a little out of date, but math beyond basic algebra/trig wasn't a major part of any EE course with the exception of electromagnetics. Which isn't to say that some applications of EE don't require significant application of mathematics.

[@SerbAtheist]

There is only ONE engineering major that can compete for the title of the hardest engineering major, and it's not even close: AERO-ASTRO An aero-astro engineer needs to learn EVERYTHING. Literally ALL OTHER types of engineering. An incredibly hard and stressful major.

[@danielo9902]

I'm doing electrical and information engineering. Some CS plus EE in one course. Its definitely taking a toll on me.

[@kubetail12]

For general undergraduate education, I can see EE being the hardest and Civil/Environmental Engineering being the easiest (sorry but there’s a reason why so many people choose the civil engineering EIT exam). Nuclear engineering can be challenging because you need a little more physics than other engineering fields and certain aspects of nuclear engineering overlap into other engineering fields . At the graduate and research level, you cannot really compare the engineering fields due to the overlap of the fields and difficulty of specific areas of science. At the PhD level, engineers in different fields should have the similar math and physics mastery. A nuclear engineer would study plasmas for fusion applications, while a chemical or electrical engineer would study plasmas for a coating process. An aerospace or mechanical engineer would study plasmas for hypersonic flight.

[@princepa123]

I had no life while studying MechE. I graduated and got married a month later. I like many, lived in the library and never had any money or had a night life. I purchased my non-engineering books and was very careful not to mark them up, because on the next semester buy the receipts from neophytes that purchased the same books, then return these books for almost full market value. Life was that lean.

[@peterp79]

Computer engineering is not the hardest. Electrical Engineering with the specialty of Control Theory is the hardest. - I studied both.

[@REDFUNDUH]

computer engineering is definitely the hardest major. It's the forefront of scientific breakthroughs so it's always heads deep down unprecedented territories

[@comment8767]

The electrical engineer I want to hire was playing with old radios in the basement at age 12. An amateur radio license at a young age is golden.

[@choilive]

I studied EE but had a lot of friends in all of the other engineering disciplines (except aerospace, we did not have a program for that). It was a bit of a tossup with a small sample size but EE and ChemE was easily in the top 2 for hardest engineering disciplines based on comparing our coursework. The overall consensus was the more abstract the coursework the more difficult it was. Electromagnetism and a lot of the mathematics involved can't be interacted macroscopically or visualized intuitively, which adds to the difficulty.

[@josephsabatini]

Columbia University grad here. I did a BS in Chemical Metallurgy. Mix of Chemical Engineering, Mining Engineering, Material Science and specialized in Electrometallurgy. So I had to also be familiar with Electrical Engineering applications, magnetic fields, circuits, harmonics, and electrochemistry, I have done microwaves, electrical transmission, batteries, along with geochemistry, petrochemical engineering and environmental engineering in my 40 years as an engineer. The most important lesson is that all engineering is based on similar principles. Learn the underlying theory and you can learn enough in any discipline to be successful. For EEs its the math. For Chem Es its Chemistry that are the most complex and challenging to master.

[@Seriouslyfunny1]

I have also done my majors in electrical engineering. However I took three mechanical courses as open electives. One was thermodynamics, then heat transfer and one in fluid dynamics fundamentals. Heat transfer was a beast, similar difficulty because of the use of Fourier and Laplace, not to mention the huge amounts of conceptually difficult processes. Fluid dynamics per se was easier, but I happened to take a glance at one of the advanced fluid dynamics books of my roommate and I was flabbergasted. There wasn't any mathematical topic uncovered there. Using numerical methods, conformal transformations, complex analysis, fouriers, laplaces, ODE, PDE, Linear Algebra, Numerical Analysis, Coordinate Geometry and what not. Looked more like a full blown mathematics honours course.

[@onetruekeeper]

You don't need a engineering degree to design electronic circuits. There are countless hobbyists that make their own electronic gadgets in their garage. Some of them even managed to sell them to big companies that only hires engineers.

[@declanfarber]

The problem with electrical engineering is not that it’s hard, but that all of the hard work has already been done, and what’s going on now is to a certain extent “janitorial”, and who wants to work that hard for basically a custodial job. Darn you, James Clerk Maxwell. If you really want the big bucks, become an electrical contractor.

[@harrypotter12r44]

Mechanical engineering is considered the toughest. The reason being the vastness of its curriculum/scope.

[@qdav5]

I have a BSME and an MSEE. In my experience, Electrical Engineering uses a wider variety of math topics than Mechanical Engineering at the undergraduate level. At the graduate level, all of the engineering fields use lots of math. Eventually, nearly everything begins to look like an optimization problem.

[@EddieVBlueIsland]

Answers book can usually be obtained by writing to the author who may send you either the answers or permission to obtain the solution manual from the publisher. The reason it is hard is that one must have the interest and most people don't but are usually forced into the field by parents in this case by fathers.

[@muhammaduzair2000]

Doing mechatronics engineering. Having a lovely time doing electrical, mechanical and software engineering courses🙂.

[@grapplegamer]

Electrical engineer here. Got my bachelors in Electrical and Computer engineering in 2022. Extemely difficult and had no social life. There were many 70 hr / 7 day a week work weeks. Most difficult thing I have ever done and will probably ever do.

[@K1ng5man]

In my university we are doing engineering mathematics for good 3 years, no matter which engineering major you are.

[@dean532]

Being teaching EE as a scientist, Theoretically you need the best imagination (Quantum Science is right at the back bone)for EE but Chemical Engg has problems that are difficult at industry level

[@michaelt126]

EE may have difficult topics as it stays theoretical for most of an undergrad, you kindof just have to solve a bunch of stuff without moving parts to establish understanding, however, mechanical engineering definitely had a larger workload, and was [in my opinion] harder than my EE degree. This was especially evident in my last year of school.

[@cpK054L]

EE in my school was 80% dropout before Junior year

[@edswrld]

As a ME I hated circuit theory problems , my friend as an EE hated fluid mechanics ...it's all hard just follow your heart

[@siddharthb2633]

Industrial and Aerospace are equally daunting.

[@tripd4949]

That book is easy lol go open a Systems and Signals book. -EE

[@manfredcaranci6234]

Signals and systems was, and will always be, by far, my FAVORITE EE course.

[@kdmdlo]

To be sure, EE is a challenging major. However, ME is unquestionably the broadest field. As such, you need to know basic circuitry and e-mags (certainly not to the extent of an EE), material behavior and constitutive modeling, dynamics of particles and rigid bodies, vibrations, system, wave propagation, acoustics, control theory, thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, heat transfer, not to mention design. One must have a solid foundation in calculus, ODE's (maybe some PDE's), vector mechanics and linear algebra, statistics, and numerical methods. I short, I cannot agree with the supposition of the narrator ... who isn't even an engineer himself.

[@VCT3333]

It's either EE or ChE. ChE is difficult because along with the usual mathematics, the ChE specific subjects are pretty hard going. Especially Chemical Thermodynamics and Transport Phenomena. And in ChE we had to learn the basics of all the other Engineering like Fluid Mechanics (Civil and Mechanical) , Heat Transfer (Mechanical), Pumps (EE), Controls (EE), Instrumentation (EE mostly) in addition to a LOT of Chemistry (Inorganic, Organic, Physical and Analytical) and Chemistry specific engineering like Reaction Engg and Reactor Design.

[@ECO473]

I went to an engineering high school, and I absolutely HATED it. The STEM curriculum there inspired me so much that I went to college to study accounting. 🤣🤣🤣

[@stickyfox]

Most *people* wouldn't know the hardest engineering major. And most *engineers* don't ever try more than one. But having tried more than one major, I don't agree that EE is hard at all. *Every single moment* in all of your lectures can be derived from Maxwell's equations or the definition of the Fourier transform. It's like the bumper sticker says, "what part of (fourier integral) don't you understand?" Chemical, ME, and aerospace engineering are all based on *empirical* research. We know what we know about thermodynamics only because people sat around in the 1800s measuring the temperatures of boxes for their whole lives. If you think the wave equation is tough, you should try on some transsonic flight or turbulant flow equations. There are fractional exponents in some of them.

[@cpK054L]

The mathematics and physics are not the difficult part. It is the system level design as students must understand trade offs and advantages. Electrical engineering also breaks down into further breath and depths Such as Power systems Communication systems Embedded systems Analog electronic systems Digital electronic systems Etc. In my opinion embedded systems is by far the most difficult. Not because of the math, but because you must be able to program the brains of your electronics and troubleshoot the system external to the chips So you must know how to both code and design the electronics on top of it

[@rodneyh1947]

The book is good for introduction to circuits, chapters 1-5 are good. But the rest is better to have other sources supplementing as it is pretty superficial.

[@lephtovermeet]

I've been told chemical and nuclear are harder. Computer (as in hardware) is supposedly harder too but thats like 2/3rds EE.

[@lancercncs1822]

It might be dependent on the school and what majors are available. However, aerospace engineering and chemical engineering are considered in many places to be at least on par with electrical (if not harder).

[@gabedarrett1301]

Just use reduced row echelon form to solve those matrixes. Cramer's rule is slower and only to be used when all variables don't need to be solved for

[@joslinnick]

I did nuclear engineering, and it was pretty brutal. I couldn't imagine electrical engineering being harder than that.

[@Gggggggggg1545.7]

You can take any engineering degree and make it very hard

[@TheReasonableSkeptic-ii4te]

A new textbook is the better choice. Publishers raise prices and publish fewer books when they can't sell a lot of new books. Think! 😬

[@atta1798]

Good video .....Computer engineering ...digital .... etc ... RF antenna EE etc etc etc

[@helokitty991]

As a EE PhD, I admire Medical students for their humongous memory size. As to engineering major, personally I think physical chemistry is much harder, or aero dynamics. And, if you allow, applied mathematics.

[@Drakesy]

How to lose friends and gain anxiety. Or as I like to call it becoming an engineer. Dw I did the hard slog and the money is goooood, just get drunk, don't be an introvert and network. Get into the industry and its 1000% more chilled

[@halbrown7121]

I took ee, and then the best of us went into engineering physics which was a subset of ee. What a great education it was! But a lot of work.

[@certifiedreddit]

I'm taking electrical engineering and honestly it's not that hard just will take up your time, I'm half way through my studies and I plan to drop out

[@cpK054L]

...bro barely touched the major and thinks the first years of EE is why they says it's difficult😂 Grades start to plummet in senior year. Even our summa cut laude was worried because she got straight Cs her senior year.

[@FreshSliceTherapy]

Now i am feeling proud that i got gold medal in BS as well as MS in electrical engineering

[@sk1996]

It’s so hard that the textbooks frequently contain errors.

[@cpK054L]

More like, doesn't contain answers.

[@LetatDuPont]

My dumbass realistically thinking he was gonna mention Mech’l Engr’g as the hardest engineering major: 🤡🤡🤡

[@BrowithStoryCool]

Its definitely not electrical. And i say this as someone with an electrical engineering degree. It's chemical, probably. In some way electrical properties are easier to understand than mechanical even, being "one dimensional"

[@TmoneyProductions]

Being an EE major is incredibly difficult but making $80-85K starting salary out of college is very attractive

[@TheBoss0110101001]

Yo wtf where? I'm over here getting $74k

[@TmoneyProductions]

@@TheBoss0110101001 depends on where you live

[@torhec1804]

EE it is the hardest engineering major, but the most beautiful.

[@sporadic45]

Electrical seems up there according to the people around me but they think aerospace is more difficult

[@swissengineer8453]

I used to think this way until I got into heat and mass transfer engineering

[@tbcstuff3634]

The hardest engineering major is completely dependent on who are the professors are in that department. As an Aerospace Engineering major, I have take a class that was damn never impossible from on professor (alsmost everyone failed) and then suddenly it was the easist class when I had to retake it but under another. Professor Crazy how it was like I was like I was taking a completely different subject but it was the exact same listed course.

[@ballroomdru]

I saw that book in college and my high school had a program where a teacher her had that book and used it in a few classes.

[@bb5242]

Always thought Mechanical Engineering was the tippy top, then EE, then others.

[@doyourbest7655]

If your math skill is shxxt, you won’t do well in engineering. Better get that sorted first, then the application of the math you learned can be fun.

[@Vlish]

I took an EE graduate course as an anthropology undergrad. I was so lost

[@anwar6971]

It’s not the hardest. As long as your mathematical skills and calculus is perfect.

[@cpK054L]

Wrong. It's your troubleshooting skills.

[@willbanks950]

EE here. I always felt chemical engineering was the hardest. I haven’t taken any of those courses, tho

[@apointonacurve]

Ummm.... Have you seen Transport Phenomenon by Bird, Stuart. Lightfoot?

[@krwada]

Lots of maths on this one. This one is used by Chemical Engineers. I got my undergrad degree in Chemical Engineering. I went on to practice as an Electrical Engineer, and eventually wound up as a Computer Engineer writing a lot of firmware for devices and networks.

[@apointonacurve]

@@krwada Awesome Work! Chemical Engineering certainly is the most diverse of the disciplines; physics would be the only discipline arguably "more difficult". Chemical Engineers can essentially... do anything.

[@TimothyReeves]

Also, P chem, organic chem, bio chem, thermodynamics, reaction kinetics, fluid flow (which is pretty analogous in piping systems to current flow in electrical networks). ChE's probably use complex analysis and linear algebra less than EE's but ime those aren't even the hardest maths, but I probably didn't get very deep into complex analysis.

[@Majorillin]

I took electronic Engineering Technology at Devry omg it was nothing but math I was dreaming math and out of the courses this was considered the hardest course the teachers would say this plus it had programming English telecommunications I would say 90% of it was math physics pre cal calculus digital circuits analog circuits I use to joke and say I’m a math major not a electronics major

[@freelunchforchildren4040]

I use HP48sx to solve most engineering problems

[@willgordge6003]

Electrical engineering student here. What I love most about EE, is that while all engineering majors at my university will take the core mathematics classes, EE is the only one that will immediately take almost all of these topics and apply them to circuit analysis, signal processing etc… it makes math far more enjoyable. As an example you’d come across early on, when you begin learning the Laplace transform and suddenly apply it to reactive components, you magically dodge the horrific differential equations you’d otherwise have to solve in a high order circuit. But then, you realise that this domain, which used to (untransformed) relate output to time, can now plot frequency. You see that a clever arrangement of capacitors and inductors allows you to capture certain frequencies and suddenly you have a frequency-selective filter, the building block of radio communication and so much more . What’s that? An annoying hiss being picked up in the speaker that’s picking up a sound signal? Apply a Fourier transform and single it out. Then, in vector calculus you’ll learn about line integrals, force fields, divergence, curl… Next semester Maxwells equations describe electromagnetics using these very concepts in what anyone else would consider magic. As challenging as it is, the math and physics within EE is the most beautiful thing I’ve come across in my entire academic journey. This looks like a great book, however, what is undoubtedly the best book for introductory EE is “Electric Circuits” by Nilsson and Riedel. It’s extremely fundamental, covers tons of math (including but not limited to almost everything I’ve spoken about here), and explains topics better than most professors by just reading through it. Seriously, I would skip classes just to work from the book as it was a better use of my time.

[@j.g.4981]

Yay I love the Nillson and Riedel book. My professor almost co authored it a while back. Now he just contributed to it by giving them some source transformations that they didn’t have present before. It’s a great book, and I think my professor loves it and he’s been teaching circuit analysis for 30+ years. He made his own textbook as a matter of fact but still recommends us to solve the problems in that text

[@timoooo7320]

I remember Nilsson & Riedel book, iconic

[@guack1453]

which edition do you recommend?

[@aniiraqigawad6693]

@@guack1453Always waiting for this response as I’m looking to order it off amazon.

[@pedropaulofontolandefaria4943]

Sadiku > Riedel :)

[@kenshi_cv2407]

Hey Math Sorcerer! I actually took your Calculus I class in real life two years ago and am now studying Aerospace Engineering at Georgia Tech. It's very hard but the skills I learned in your class and in your videos have helped me greatly.

[@cornboi3814]

Hey, congrats and all the best to you. An acquaintance of mine is also studying aerospace at georgia tech

[@dzee127]

What a great story.

[@colin8923]

I'm applying to Georiga Tech this year, I really hope to study there

[@akialter]

I’n graduating from GT this year. Can’t wait to get out!

[@tonywilson4713]

AEROSPACE engineer here: Sorry to call your prof out but its BULLSHlT that electrical engineering is the hardest. Its not close to either aerospace or nuclear engineering. Due to various outcomes I have spent most of my career in industrial control systems and automation. So I have done a fair amount of electrical engineering and know what it is and isn't. WHAT MAKES Aerospace and Nuclear engineering so much harder is the additional maths classes needed to get the required skills to do things like (in my case) aerodynamics, propulsion, orbital mechanics and the hardest class I ever took *Spacecraft Dynamics.* I don't know how far you are into your degree but if you like I'll let you know why I found some classes horrendously hard and others more palatable and others MORE USEFUL. Sorry but they all sort of suck in their way its just that some suck worse than others.

[@ananthpurohit]

Electrical Engineering is the perfect blend of Mathematics and Physics. Being a graduate in EE, I'd say it was definitely not easy to complete the course... We had to put in a lot of time & effort to understand concepts (probably higher than other engineering majors). However, it was really fun domain to study! Although I'm now working in data science, the values and discipline i learned in those years are really coming handy in my career now.

[@dannyblozrov1142]

there is plenty of computer science in EE as well, probably a lot more than physics.

[@umeng2002]

I would say, that the older you get and just spend more time thinking about the concepts, you gain so much more intuitive knowledge about it. Recent grads have the knowledge fresh in their minds, but often lack that intuition.

[@rcatv7750]

@@dannyblozrov1142 Well, many universities offer degrees in computer engineering. The fields are very much intertwined.

[@cpK054L]

@rcatv7750 computer engineers focus more on architecture and code, they do so by removing multivariable calculus and replacing it with discrete math. And also remove analog electronics courses and replacing them with architecture classes

[@lkern6238]

My son got his EE degree a year ago. It was very math intensive, and for 4 years he had no social life. He got an 80k/year job the week before graduation, and then walked into the local Tesla dealership and bought a car a week after he got his diploma with nothing down. He says his job is easy, and acknowledges they are paying him for the "piece of paper" (diploma).

[@alanguages]

I also heard the odds of finishing an engineering degree in four years is a about 40%. Like you wrote, there had to be no social life.

[@MrGuano11]

Engineers and engineering students have no social lives to begin with. Saying that you're constantly busy studying is just a cheap excuse or maybe you just have very poor time management skills.

[@obi-wankenobi1750]

@MrGuano11 lousy take from a communications major

[@elbasado481]

Wow this really got my hopes up as EE students

[@MultiversalGoat]

@@elbasado481yes EE has limitless opportunity, everything is advancing unbelievably fast. EE is great choice, pay attention to everything, everything can be used in the EE field and it opens you up to more opportunities. As you go try to find something to specialize in (power, circuit design, RF and Comm. , etc) so that you get an edge and know what electives to take. $80,000 is just starting, the ceiling is getting higher and higher. For example experienced software engineers at the big companies get paid over a million. At that point their stock compensation is bigger than their salary and their bonus bigger than most people’s yearly income. I know this is not EE but once you get started on this journey it’s not too difficult to jump ship if you enjoy learning and are fascinated by how everything works. The more you specialize / continue your education / the more value you will have and companies will be willing to pay a lot for you. As you learn the real world industry then you can start making your own moves or deploying your ideas. Big things happening with ML / AI , Modern Physics and as result Quantum Computing. Big opportunities for EEs with great interests in these fields. If I was young, I would start learning programming ASAP, it’s something you can really start doing on your own and actually most EEs HAVE to because they only get like one programming class. If you wanna be an OP EE, simultaneously become an “unofficial software engineer” by getting all the education online lol. At that point you’ll also be a computer engineer so you’ll be be super OP. Lol sorry for long message I just find it so cool how everything is advancing so fast. It’s so fast that we don’t even know how to divide the fields of engineering because they overlap . I wonder what the future of STEM will look like.

[@tiago58]

I am a retired Electrical Engineer and I honestly think that dealing with Fluid Dynamics is harder. Lots of partial differential equations!

[@RobRutherford]

Fluids wasn't that bad except for the 🤬 sign conventions; miss one and your boned.

[@skybox4080]

As an electrical engineer, I just have to say that I love Laplace transforms. It made seemingly impossible differential equations into simple arithmetic. Circuit analysis was literally easier in senior classes than in junior classes.

[@stickyfox]

that moment when you see a polynomial term and effortlessly visualize a cap or inductor, or vice versa, is gratifying indeed!

[@sergioperez2594]

In my opinion, the reason electrical engineering is harder is that it's more abstract than most others. You have to imagine many things that in other majors you can actually see, you cannot see electrons running on a wire after all, nor you can see electrical fields, you have to imagine them while you can see a mechanical machine working. Math is not harder than in other engineering but it's kind of more abstract, for example we use a lot of complex numbers routinely, linear algebra, transforms (Laplace, Fourier), Vector analysis.

[@sergioperez2594]

@@chadabercrombie6860 I don't know but I'm pretty sure it is a hard engineering major, perhaps harder.🤣

[@sergioperez2594]

@@lordsauron4556 EE is more than electrical current, you have electrical and magnetic fields, which live in 4 dimensions and you cannot see them at all, we can all see a river flowing. I think mechanical engineering is as hard as electrical though.

[@huyphanducnhat1609]

you only study about the wire and current for the first year,later on you have to study about magnetic waves,and that thing is 3d @@lordsauron4556

[@sergioperez2594]

@@lordsauron4556 aerospace and relativity to account for in designs? i thought Newton's laws were enough for aerospace since we are not any close to light speed yet.🤣 We learn something everyday.

[@willgordge6003]

@@chadabercrombie6860Depends on the person. Aeronautical engineering is sort of just MechE with a cherry on top, the majors are very similar. The vast majority of jobs in this field within the aerospace industry are taken by mechanical engineers anyway.

[@edwardsmith-rowland2852]

My undergraduate degree was Engineering Physics - basically a physics degree plus an engineering minor. Not many universities offer it I think. In my case I chose electrical engineering as a minor. I love fields and waves and waveguides and lasers, etc. Another thing to consider is that EE means different things to different people: fields and waves and propagation, communication and information theory, power systems, circuits, ... All these differ in what kind and how hard the math is.

[@nicolasvaldebenito4874]

I am also currently doing an engineering physics major with an electrical engineering minor. It's for sure a great combo!

[@manuelcardoso7595]

Nice. That's what I wanna do in college also.

[@p03engine42]

Interesting. At my uni, engineering physics is all of an EE degree except for 2 compE classes and 1 power systems class. It’s also all of a physics degree except for a few labs and physics electives, and it requires a lot of quantum mechanics. I love it and I wouldn’t trade it for anything!

[@___frosty-zx]

Me too

[@georgemccall-zz4pd]

im currently an undergrad majoring in ee and minoring in physics next year

[@dle511]

not sure about difficulty but as an EE myself, I can confidently say that electrical has the widest range of topics and applications of all engineering disciplines. you can make a living doing completely different things with this degree as a foundation: software (C, Python, MATLAB), hardware (ASIC, UVM), embedded, RF/Microwave (antenna), communications (satellite), PCB (design/fabrication), power lines (ADC/DAC), EV (battery, control system), etc. the list just goes on and on, and frankly the hardest thing for undergrads like me is choosing a concentration :]

[@adissentingopinion848]

Man, you mentioned UVM and I feel heard. I'm in a niche of a niche of a niche verifying aircraft-grade FPGA designs.

[@boogerie]

Fun fact: Sylvanus Thompson, author of CALCULUS MADE EASY was an electrical engineer

[@joeytaft]

I hope that anyone seeing this video (and it is a good video) and is interested in electrical engineering, or any other engineering for that matter, would not get discouraged from pursuing knowledge in this field. I think every student can achieve success in this field when paired with the right resources, study habits and determination. I think the author of this channel provides a very valuable service by presenting the multitude of resources that are available for the study of math, engineering, physics, etc.

[@mattharline2835]

I received my bachelor (1981) and masters (1982) degree in Electrical Engineering. When I was in college most considered chemical engineering was the most difficult engineering field. My father and brother were chemical engineers. I suppose the idea of which field is most difficult depends on each individual, what their interests and talents are.

[@haidara77]

What is your thoughts about civil engineering sir? i do like it, but is it worth it?

[@mattharline2835]

@@haidara77 I have two sons that got degrees in civil engineering. They are doing well in their respective employment. I can’t say which field of engineering is more difficult, as that truly depends on your interests.

[@differentialdrummer3987]

I am an EE and I also consider chemical engineering to be the most difficult--only because I don't have any interest in chemistry! I would certainly struggle through those courses!! I don't know what it is, I just can't fully wrap my head around chemistry.

[@earthwormscrawl]

BSEE 1982 here. I agree. I remember that chemical and/or petroleum engineering were harder than EE. The normal wash-out process was: Chemical engineering => Electrical => Mechanical => Business majors => Communications => Sports medicine => Education => Division of undergraduate studies => McDonalds.

[@RetroBlockade]

I am studying robotics engineering, so both electrical and mechanical right now, and chemical is still the hardest.

[@MMMS75]

I agree with that 100%. I started as a mechanical engineering major and then double majored in electrical and mechanical engineering. Without a doubt, the math is extremely intense in electrical engineering. Especially when you get to Field Theory, and even harder still when you get to information theory and communication theory. Computing the entropy of language and other systems is wild math. I later did my masters in Electrical Engineering in signal processing and AI. The math got even wilder. If there is one thing that is certain after that: I learned differential equations like it was my job. Hell, I can still model and do differential equations 15 years out of grad school. And all that math helped me learn the skills that I then used to gain nearly 25 patents.

[@umprofessorparticular]

I have a degree in EE , and I’m not sure I agree with EE being the hardest ( as I have never studied other engineering course ) , but I’d agree that it’s what most people think . Back in college people would be very impressed when I told them what my major was , “ electrical is the worst course ! You guys don’t have a life “ . I saw several people from other courses try to take EE as a minor , and then quit in ECE 101 , because they said it would hurt their gpa . I’ve also heard people say that ECE 101 , being the most basic EE course , was the hardest in courses like industrial engineering. As to the concepts covered in the course , I think electrical circuits can be somewhat tricky, because even though the math is not so complex , there’s a very specific logic to it , and I myself found it hard at the beginning … but ended up understand it after a lot of hard work . People find it hard because it’s very abstract , you cannot see a transistor switching with your eyes , or current flowing like you’d see a cars engine working , for it is all microscopic. And the hardest part is dealing with electromagnetism , because it involves vector calculus , and I agree that it’s very hard ( at least for me ) . But I think it’s a really amazing major , and think you shouldn’t be intimidated by the challenges ! I definitely recommend it to anyone who wishes to try it !

[@ruleaus7664]

You'd think a chemistry major would be just as hard because it also deals with the microscopic. It also seems to be a broader subject, but maybe chemistry has less intensive math.

[@stickyfox]

@@ruleaus7664Alchemists had to figure out the structure of the periodic table by putting rocks into fires, and mixing chemicals together and observing the reactions with their eyes. As an electrical engineer I find chemical engineering to be on the verge of witchcraft.

[@BitwiseMobile]

Linear Algebra sucks! I agree with your sentiment though :D

[@mitchellhopkins9331]

This makes me feel better. Currently in year four of my EE major and I feel like I’m always doing school work and I’m a TA for electrical fundamentals and I have almost no free time. Thanks for making this video and now I see all of these other people with a similar experience and now they are thriving

[@gusgus777]

This is crazy! I have the 5th edition of this book and I was just looking at it earlier and then this video popped up! I never formally studied electrical engineering (I'm currently studying computer science as a career change) but I always have tinkered with electricity and electronics since I can remember. I bought this book to get a deeper understanding of how actual electrical engineering works. Btw I love your videos and I love math! Thanks for sharing!

[@wescraven2606]

My school didn't have engineering, but I would have thought nuclear engineering would be harder then electrical or mechanical. To be fair, I don't know how much overlap there is between them. I also remember people dual majoring in mechanical and electrical engineering at another university.

[@AAGul]

Well, I think computer engineering is the hardest major. It shares a lot of material with electrical engineering, as well as all computer science courses. Furthermore, computer engineers must take all the engineering courses that Computer Science students don't take such as Physics 1 and 2 and Calculus 1, 2 and 3., Differential equations, numerical analysis, linear algebra, chemistry (I don't know why a computer engineering student would study chemistry 😂), probability and statistics, discrete mathematics, Etc. So yes, computer engineering can be the toughest engineering major.

[@bigbao9843]

electrical engineering= computer engineering. EE can grasp CE and CS fast. EE and mathematicians established CE and CS college program

[@bigbao9843]

No way computer science undergrad don't take General Physics Calculus LA, DE. What are you talking about??

[@bigbao9843]

EE requires 1 general chemistry, CE and CS doesn't in my school.

[@bigbao9843]

You must check your comment, if CS don't need to learn Physics 1 and 2 and Calculus 1, 2 and 3., Differential equations, numerical analysis, linear algebra then what do you think CS are doing the first 2 year??

[@rohank9292]

As a person who has studied electrical, electronics & communication engineering in India, I can vouch for this fact that electrical/electronics engineering is definitely the hardest one of the lot. Infact, now that I have (barely managed and) completed it after finding it to be so tough that I sometimes regret not going in for a different engineering major like computer science or IT or even civil or mechanical engineering that probably wouldn't have been half as tough but still be able to fetch more jobs than there are in electrical engineering. And the reason that it is so tough is because unlike mechanical or civil, electronics is not what can be easily visualised and also unlike computers or IT, electrical is so much more math intensive and that too maths that is typically not taught before a higher college degree in mathematics itself. Stuff like Laplace transforms, control systems with their 'j' and 's', Fourier Transforms, Z transforms, discrete fourier transforms etc can all be a bouncer to the uninitiated. Something that I took home by doing electronics engineering is the realisation that maths is indeed the language of physics and engineering, especially electrical engineering, and that one should not even attempt to study those subjects unless he is first 'fluent' in that language of maths itself. Stuff like laplace transforms and fourier transforms are the constructs of grammar for that language that one should be first well versed with.

[@mw3685]

I'm studying materials engineering. Don't know how hard it is compared to others but I love it.

[@Surge_Arrester]

I work as Electrical Engineer. I have to know materials for the selection of electrical equipment and installations in different installation conditions. Now, you know Electrical Engineering.

[@jonathanp1884]

All engineering disciplines were far more difficult decades ago than today. I studied engineering in the 80s and finalized my BSEE in 2006. What a difference. Could you imagine designing circuits 60 years ago without the software available today?

[@HardyPinto]

I'm an electronic engineer and hava DSc in Control and Automation. It is the same base as electrical engineering but adding a LOT of non-linear elements (like transistors). Even though we linearize most of the circuits, some are based on these non linearities, which make the math even harder...

[@ProcashFloyd]

Hi where are you based and how is the career prospect, I too am a electronics engineer planning to pursue a PG diploma in applied motion and control management?

[@FABDY-rn2ut]

Control Systems gotta be the hardest degree of all time. It is heavily math based. There is not only the Laplace transform but on top of that bayesian statistics, on top of that there is optimisation and even an advanced version of that, variationnal calculus. And worst thing is that all of that is not with scalars but with matrices. Like you end up with a problem where you have matrices of Laplace transforms with uncertainities (bayesian statistics), you want to find the optimal control (variationnal calculus). And worse you get PhD levels mathematicals concepts like parity space, mu-synthesis, fractionnal order differential equations, etc as introduction for new classes. The matrices you are dealing with are so hard to keep track of that you can barely do anything without using Matlab. And i even didn't get into the bode plots the nyquist plots the singular value plot. And goddamn it QFT control. Even our teacher was telling while doing the QFT control that it was requiring all his 20 years of expérience to pull it off

[@MisterDevel]

I do electronics engineering because I really enjoy it. Nothing is really 'hard' when you enjoy it. It's certainly difficult, but I'm not sure how it ranks.

[@83jbbentley]

I love electronics and electrical math so much. Had a friend got through EE he said it was like having to be kicked in the jeuvos everyday but he made it through.

[@cheikmaiga5463]

Before you counter with another major, just remember that electrical engineering is the study of pure Electromagnetic physic plus advanced mathematics to create systems or devices. A lot of people only tend to see the fun side of designing electronic circuits in blocs with small calculations without realizing the much bigger area of complexity it covers when dealing with waves, light, heat and other elements through mathematics😂

[@MrNobody989]

Electrical/Computer Engineering and computer science gotta be the group of hardest Engineering majors. You might be thinking Computer science? It’s not what it seems, you still have to take up to calc 3, physics 2 chem2, statistics, linear algebra, and discrete math. Computer science is far from just programming or coding. Think of CS as an engineer that can work on cars, airplanes, roads, buildings… and the programers and coders being the construction workers. Thats because you’ll learn software engineering, data science, AI, computer graphics, machine learning, Cyber security, neural learning, self driving vehicles, bioinformatics, deep learning, robotics, compilers, networks and many more. To survive in CS you have to be able to picture the invisible or at least think 10 steps ahead, because pretty much everything is non tangible. That being said and from my experience CS is harder because at least in the math classes you have proofs and can plug numbers into a calculator to check your answer(yes even up to calc 3 if you get the intergal down into the simplest form)

[@StochasticNav]

I think Robotics Engineering if taught correctly is by far THE hardest Engineering major. You take all the maths heavy classes from both Mechanical and Electrical streams, you need a polymath mindset to utilise different subjects such as computer science, AI, material science, control theory as well as all the practical projects base workload too. During final year, once you've learnt all these foundations, you take specialised courses such as screw theory, optimal control, soft robotics, reinforcement learning which requires many pre-requisites. Not to mention the opportunity to learn other subjects such as neuroscience, psychology, or biology based subjects.

[@honkhonk8009]

As a CS student, I like Robotics Engineering type subjects. Not sure why we dont get to learn stuff like signal processing, control theory, and whatnot.

[@Toxagon]

I’m an EE student currently finishing a graduate robotics course. It is definitely multidisciplinary, but I find my self tapping more into EE then ME.

[@EustahijeMihajlović]

Robotics is nowhere close to pure EE and ME degrees. You just dont get to learn about systems and signals, EM waves, antennas, wireless comunication systems and etc. Those are absolutely brutal parts of EE degree.

[@1justdont]

That just sounds like regular engineering and CS.

[@fadhliammartaqiyuddinhakim5750]

Robotics is a part of Electrical Engineering, that is if you took the Control Engineering path as the interdisciplinary of EE (in my campus, at least). So i'd still say that Electrical Engineering would still be the hardest, because you had to learn the basics of Telecommunication (Such as Electromagnetics, Signal and Systems), Control Systems, Electrical Power System, Circuit Analysis, Machine Learning, Nanoelectronics, etc.

[@lordsauron4556]

No engineering discipline can be judged as the hardest one. All the people in the comments who say it’s the hardest and then proceed to say that they have the degree have no idea what it’s like to be another type of engineer and thus don’t know how hard the other disciplines really are. For instance, I study mechanical engineering and there are plenty of topics like Fluid Mechanics that get very complicated mathematically and require a different kind of thinking to analysing a signal or a DC motor for example. As mechanical engineers we often dabble in electrical engineer and I have had to take lots of courses in electrical engineering. From what I’ve seen, the mechanical engineering undergrads tend to have a busier schedule than electrical. Also, we use complicated mathematics, just as complicated as electrical, to do with advanced calculus, complex numbers, DA, etc… often the stuff we deal with is more complicated with regards to vector analysis, etc… since it’s not just electrons moving along a wire, it could be a robotic arm moving through space, a turbine blade be in g struck by airflow, a rocket nozzle gas flow, etc… It’s ridiculous to say EE is the hardest one. They’re all hard, that’s why you have to get a degree to be an engineer! Anyone who thinks that theirs is the hardest is probably not well versed in engineering as a whole.

[@niteman555]

When I was in school some 10 years ago, EE was considered the hardest major in terms of content. However, in terms of workload, it was biomechanical engineering that was considered to be the hardest. Depending on the concentration, biomech required an extra 8-15 credits beyond what EE required.

[@sjlee32]

To give an idea of how hard EE/Computer Engineering is. I decided to leave EE my sophomore year of college to do something that was far easier in terms of homework time and mental agony - medicine. Am a happy radiologist now. Some of that stuff comes in handy when learning the physics of imaging.

[@bmphil3400]

We did LaPace in Mechanical Engineering because we had a 300 level controls class and lab we were required to take in Mechanical. We also had two semesters of electrical circuits and two labs. Our Mechanical degree was much more comprehensive than most. We had to breadboard circuits and test them as well as PSPICE the theoretical.

[@jeannazario2996]

Thank you. Any thoughts on getting an engineer degree with below average math skills?

[@surrealistidealist]

You can do it, because you can build your skills!

[@TheMathSorcerer]

To be completely honest, it is definitely possible. I know lots of people who became engineers, tons, most are GOOD at math, but some are just ok. Good luck my friend:)

[@highviewbarbell]

I'm doing it right now! I declared a double major in engineering and mathematics and I only tested into intermediate algebra first semester

[@jeannazario2996]

@@TheMathSorcerer thank you definetly a challenge with a full time job. But really really interested. Thanks for the awesome contents.

[@zero7523]

It's possible. I failed grade 12 math and got a C average in a community college associates level calculus course. 8 years later out of school I'm in a degree completion program in uni in an accelerated calculus course (4 weeks derivatives, 3 weeks integrals, 4 weeks differential equations). I'm at a B average now. Just keep working hard on those practice questions and be aware of the patterns.

[@RichardJohnson_dydx]

I have a multidisciplinary engineering degree in electrical and mechanical engineering. I would say the depth of math is trivial - meaning the integrals or ODEs aren't necessary difficult. It's knowing the engineering principles, formulas and applying the math to solving problems. For instance, in my deformable solids course we would solve a 4th order ODE by integration. The hardest part was identifying boundary conditions in the system. In controls you need to know Laplace transforms, work in the Laplace domain and state space representation. Laplace isn't hard but state space requires a different way of thinking. Identifying state variables and using a linear combination of the state variables is the hardest part. The rest is linear algebra and solvable with a calculator/MATLAB if your professor is nice.

[@gonesillystudios]

I am a business major who enjoys studying and comprehending the universe in my spare time. I have over a ton of various books that I bought for really cheap, and I really love Design of Machinery by Norton. I have learned so much from this book about linkages and various mechanical parts and how to analyze them. Keep on making videos about engineering textbooks!