The Harley Davidson CVO Problem

[@thanosetsitty1896]

I’m picking up my brand new CVO this weekend. I can’t wait….

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Congrats on your new bike and I hope get many great miles out of it and fun rides

[@TMadison-sl2sg]

how many miles before it went back to dealer?

[@jamessouthworth1699]

Are people really saying they can sell their used CVO's for the original OTD price? I think they will be disappointed when they actually try to sell them and it's only going to get worse as CVO's flood the dealers. There is going to be a crash in Harley sales. Zeits just wants a short term money grab and when it all crashes he'll just pull the cord on his golden parachute and leave the company in ashes.

[@grisslebear]

Hard resets are not necessarily bad things... especially when correcting errant egos.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Literally is the argument all the time. I did a grinds my gears on CVOs a year or so back saying CVO owners only arguments are trade in and you're just mad cause you can't afford one. I stand by this claim

[@kennyoliver2403]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews but the resale value percentage wise on a CVO is better than the standard models in more cases than not. I've worked at a dealership, and I've seen the numbers. Are they still losing money? Absolutely, but depending on the particular CVO model in question they can lose a lot less. Some making the arguments are taking it to another level sometimes just to try and justify their purchase to the haters and I get it, so that's why you and many others feel the way you do.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews It's like walking next to a guy who steps in dog poo. Then when you make a face at what just happened he says you're just jealous.

[@RafaelJimenez-hz9gu]

Sir, I just subscribed to your channel because of this video. Everything, you said I agree with 100%. You can't beat me enough to buy a new Harley especially a CVO. I am not a Harley hater either. I love my Harley. However I have spent so much money to get my 2015 Ultra Limited to a level that in my opinion it should of come from factory. I am going to ride it till the wheels fall off.

[@grisslebear]

As long as parts are available, rebuilding is always cheaper than new/near new purchases.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The only CVO I really considered buying was the 2019 road glide in that mako paint because it was so nice. But then when I sat down figured out the cost versus all the upgrades I would want on it to make it comfortable for me. I realized it was completely ridiculous and not worth it

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

And of course, thanks for subscribing. Glad to have you here

[@GearHeadMoto]

Harley used to have some incredible paint jobs on the CVO and these past few years they have really dropped the ball on the paint. The Low Rider ST was one of the most sold Harleys last year so why wouldn't you make a CVO version of that? A CVO Pan America makes absolutely zero sense. Take a Low Rider ST do a wicked paint job on it with custom Speedo/Tach Option and chrome it out with 2n1 exhaust, same size hard bags and taller pullback risers would be sick as hell.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Honestly, I think the CVO Pan America is just an attempt to try and sell some more pan Americas cuz they're not doing well and the reason they're not doing well is because the people who ride those bikes have been asking Harley for a lighter version and instead of that Harley went with a bigger version

[@johnschoonmaker-tm3ll]

CVOs just prove there is a sucker born every minute.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Apparently not as many suckers as they were hoping for because there are way too many cvos just sitting on the floor waiting

[@johnschoonmaker-tm3ll]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews That's true, dealers I have been to are loaded with new bikes and plenty of CVOs. Not going to buy a new bike, just too expensive for the marginal quality. I am keeping my 2004 Dyna Wideglide with 125,000 miles on it. Bought it new and many miles of fun and adventure both alone and with my ol lady. Will ride a few more years, just turned 78.

[@thelost_woods]

I hate Jochen Zeitz. You can't take over a blue collar working man's company and just say they're a premium brand over night. I miss the last CEO Matt Levatich

[@wrongthinker350]

They need to hire a hardcore biker to become the CEO of Harley-Davidson. Not a latte sipping fancy shoe wearing fancy boy.

[@frankfurther3828]

and Jeffery Bluestein.

[@freebehindbars8654]

Harley has never been the blue collar bike. Most models have actually gone up less than inflation. Meaning they are cheaper now than decades ago.

[@frankfurther3828]

@@freebehindbars8654 see 1981 magazine ad- FLHS $3995.00 Mainly a Blue-collar affordable bike until Mid-EVO period, when it became "fashionable" for many to pose as a harley man.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeahhh they really need to find balance

[@gerrykline744]

I’m stuck I have a 2020 SG CVO 117 bone stock. I’m torn on whether to build into the 131 , with proper exhaust, tune etc. possible turbo. Or buy up to the 121 . I hate having the older 117 when regular HDs now have it.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Just purpose build it man! If you do a lot of long rides a 131 or 135 will just be a grenade

[@jimtownsend6139]

They should have done a Softail CVO.. Perhaps a Breakout or a Fat Boy.. I can’t figure out why they chose the Pan Am.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I'm pretty sure they did a CVO breakout before. I wouldn't be surprised that they do it again

[@Rvbiker18]

The New CVO are not numbered. They don't tell you how many there are . Only Anniversary bikes or special edition

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

You're correct, I misspoke.

[@TheBlueBikeDoyle]

Stop in Harley Dealership yesterday they had a Roadglide St CVO . That would not start . I told him that a great way to sale one . But really don't sit there spinning it over and over on the sales floor take it to back .

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I mean in fairness I feel like that's right on par for Harley

[@kennyoliver2403]

I own a large ADV bike and I can tell you that there are a ton of large ADV owners out there that never leave the asphalt. I am not one of those but there is a very good reason why many buy the bike just to ride on the main roads, it just works. They are very comfortable bikes that you can ride many, many miles on the highway and not be overly fatigued at the end of the day. They are very maneuverable in the twisties and are a blast to ride. You do have the option of hitting any dirt roads fire roads that you may come across with ease and not worrying about anything. The fact that HD came out with a CVO Pan America is not really appealing to me but it is not a big deal at all. Me and my friends make fun of the BMW GS owners that if you want to see a GS just drive to your local Starbucks and you'll find one. If someone buys the CVO and never takes it off road, that's not a problem because it will still be a great tool for that purpose.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Like I said I do think they look cool, totally dig em but I do find them completely amusing for the lack of off road usage though I've made fun of ADV riders in the past as well so I get the GS jokes too.

[@waltertodd4281]

I was HD would bring back the Screaming Eagle series of motorcycles, that weren't CVOs but there own series.

[@justaguy5377]

They have always been cvo they just didn't paint the cvo on the side. The department was developed in 1999.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

They need to just bring it back to a more custom build vs this mass produced approach

[@rayray5520]

Correct the CVO should have cutting edge electronics like radar assisted cruise and the ho motors adj ride on the fly shocks etc

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Or at least a more reasonable price tag because the things they consider premium other bikes consider standard

[@bobberguy1]

I'm waiting on the 427 ci/425 hp CVO.

[@markmaese1599]

That'll be next year.

[@karldoerr9456]

LOL!😂

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Harley would price that at like 70k and it would have 50 recalls the day it was released

[@absolutelynobody7294]

lol my 2002 Goldwing has keyless bags.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

It's insane what Harley still considers a premium feature

[@BigSmittyRiding]

When that CVO Goldwing comes out I’m gonna be excited… wait, what? 😂 I agree Ben they are watering down what was supposed to be a “select” lineup of premium bikes. Very well done sir.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The CVO CVO is going to be the ultimate CVO and I can't wait for that CVO to come out

[@kevincarder3423]

Totally agree with you.i don't feel cvo's are exclusive anymore .tell me what's special about silver cvo's.they are not in touch anymore with what we want in these machines.they're designers just don't have it hate to say it but I think the Indian bikes coming out with better designed bikes.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I honestly look at the Challenger elite that came out for 2024 and if I was shopping for a bike right now that would be the one I'd buy

[@donrudeboyt1895]

A CVO Nightster would be hilarious. CVO Pan America is probably the biggest joke of all. All Rev Max platforms not selling to well. They should do a CVO Livewire while they are at it.

[@markmaese1599]

Not for someone who really likes the Nightster.

[@brucem8129]

Or a Pan Am.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I actually joked about a CVOs live wire in the live chat. Sadly I could see them doing it

[@brucem8129]

@BikesBeardsAndBrews like I said before, it's marketed to a different group. I'd buy one if all the electronics worked as it's supposed to. The Computer on the 23 CVO is too small, almost a minute to boot up, and you better let it boot up before you start.

[@RoadGlideAndy]

Compared CVO to goldwing look at price and tell me what makes more sense.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Ohhhh no arguments there

[@Ucmpigs]

Im holding out for the CVO Sporty…or e-bike….

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

CVO EBike FTW!!

[@Uncle_Tijikun]

Harley should really fire their marketing team as well TBH

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah their marketing team are just clowns straight up clowns

[@Uncle_Tijikun]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews marketing teams are, in general, clowns.

[@brucem8129]

CVOS are not numbered. And it started with 110s not 117s, they were called S Models. I cant wait on the PA CVO. Different tastes do exist. You are 100% correct, the Dark Platinum CVO is not selling well.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I have no issues with an upgraded Pan America but I feel like throwing the CVO logo on that doesn't really make sense

[@brucem8129]

A lot of us HD riders don't like PAs. It's not marketed to all of us. That motor is not going away like the vrod. The 23 CVOs have serious computer problems, I had one, traded it. That has to be fixed.

[@charlesbolin7249]

The real suck thing is paying $50k for a bike and it still needs $3k to $6k put into it to make it sound like a Harley (exhaust and tune), Saddlemen seat upgrade, and new handlebars for better posture in the saddle. I've never seen a new Harley no matter what trim price point that didn't need at least 2 of the 3 things I just mentioned to make it right. I wish you could go to the dealer, test ride the model you like and if they had a setup that was like a mock up bike for each frame, say Softail, RG, SG, and RK that had quick detach seats and handlebars, then the so called "Fit Specialist" could set you on the bike and swap out several seat and handle bar combinations until you find what you like. Then you make a deposit and order a brand new Harley Davidson custom tailored to fit you. I'd be willing to pay a premium to get that part right the first time. Sucks too where I'm at all 3 dealers stopped doing dyno tuning, the used to be able to put your bike on a dyno in the shop and tune it. They definitely need to remember that their customer base is the ordinary average guy though, and changing the base color to Primer With Clearcoat really pissed me off, they need to make LED lighting standard across all models, black the base color, put normal analog speedo's back on all the Softails and a full sized analog tac. I bought an XL in it's last year and I love that little EVO for its simplicity, now I want a Road King with a windscreen and the passing lights, normal bags with the guards and engine guard. They need to make a couple of touring models minus all the gee wiz stuff that always causes problems. Is it really too much to ask for an old school rude, fast, and loud Harley new off the showroom floor?

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Try using the custom bike builder on the Harley site. It is the most depressing thing on Earth. They have tons of parts that they sell that aren't offered on that site at all. Some bikes only offer one seat or no seat to exchange for the stock one. I have no idea what they're thinking

[@theadventurousrider]

Yea that work make is the one that is buying 90% of what they are selling and with the economy the way it is, that's why there so many CVOs on the show room floors. Crazy you found one dealership with 20 of them.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I just checked. Manchester Harley today as a follow-up for a video that I'm putting out tomorrow and they still have 24 CVOs from 2023 in there and they have six 2024 ones. So all in all they have 30 CVOs just sitting on the floor waiting for someone to buy them

[@tomkarnes69]

You are so right, between the dead wire, the Paris Dacar rally bike and the V-Rod 2.0 it's not working

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

They really need to find balance and that seems to be the thing that escapes them the most

[@nrgrlsd9931]

I just got a brochure from Harley in the mail and it looks like the street glide and road glide non cvo models for 2024 will have the cvo fairing and bags and skyline os standard along with the 117 being standard now. That sucks for everybody who just bought a brand new 2023 model.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I actually mentioned that a few videos back that the 2023 models were having a huge issue being sold and I feel like a lot of people just skipped out on them knowing that these bikes were coming out this year. For those who weren't paying attention last year, I do feel bad for them

[@nrgrlsd9931]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews I also feel bad for my bank account cause now I want one of these 2024 road glide 💸

[@MinnowMoto]

Being new to the HD world I had no idea there was a waiting lists for those CVO's. Almost everyone I know that has one grabbed a used one. That white CVO ST does look sharp. Its 44k just to secure bragging rights? I see tons of those Silver CVO's on dealer floors everywhere. I thought there were less then 500 or something. Saturating the market is not a good idea.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The waiting lists were years back and not always a waiting list. A lot of times it was people just so excited to get one. They would put down money knowing that their dealership was only going to get a few. Now dealerships are getting dozens so there's no point

[@USAonHarley]

I kind of agree! Seems they are killing the CVO’s by overproduction and not being that different for the over cost!

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah, there really seems to be a flooding of the market with these. And honestly, if all these 2023s do not sell soon, they're going to be sitting on the floor for a long time because let's face it in a few months. Anyone looking for a CVO is just going to wait another month or two until the 2024s drop

[@USAonHarley]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews true!

[@kevingonyea]

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[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

😮

[@marty4723]

I think it was really a dumb idea to do away with the Road King standard. The CVO prices are getting out of hand.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah getting rid of the road. King standard is a poor idea. Is there people that just love that bike? No, nothing special. No crazy bells and whistles but Harley wants you to buy that stuff so they're not giving you a choice

[@karldoerr9456]

HD doesn't have a crack team and I'm not paying HD an over inflated price to be there test dummy. Been riding HD for 30yrs and still have 2 of the 3 I have owned. It has become apparent that they have given up on trying to polish a terd and have taken to throwing glitter on it. Neither one works.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

But I mean the glitter sparkles in the sunlight. I don't know what the issue is 😂

[@mas3292]

Plate? Do you mean the VIN #? Where is this plate on the CVO?

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah I was incorrect in this. The CVOs do not have number plates which is more frightening cuz now you have no idea how many are out there

[@mas3292]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrewsThought so. I have a newly purchased'22 CVO SG which I love! I also had a '16 and never saw a # plate on that one either. I can remember a couple of years ago when no new CVO ever hit the floor that was available for sale. I appreciate your honesty.

[@nickahrens6139]

They should learn from the Ulysses that the Pan American was not gonna work. But that's Harley, they'll never learn.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I think the biggest reason why it's not working is because most people want a lighter version and they refuse to do it

[@creigmacc]

I've seen CVOs of many kinds, in awesome shape. They were very reasonably priced. The used demand must be somewhat limited.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I think that's part of the issue is there's just so many CVOs you can't command that price you used to be able to when they're much more rare

[@Setzerpendence]

cvo-pan america only makes sense IF...(biggest if i could type) if the pan america has PREMIUM accessories like custom roll-cages, bigger gas tank (like a lot bigger) high end aux lights, custom gps, basically all the really functional high end shit from a BMW / Ducati / etc... adventure bikes but i don't see it happening that way 🤷🏻‍♂ i've been lucky with my CVO so far, i'm sitting at 7k miles and haven't had any issues outside the typical shit. There was a brake light recall on mine and some electronic garbage but nothing that kept the bike from running or running differently.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Fingers crossed and knock on wood for you. I hope that bike keeps running with no issues. And yeah I I could agree that the Pan America would be worth it as a CVO with all that stuff. Although at that point why call a CVO? Why not call it something that points out the fact that it's more designed to be an off-road beast like the Pan, America, overlander or something like that

[@Setzerpendence]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews agreed, and of course neither of what you or I are saying will happen and your likely right, it'll be a fancier paint job to take off road, but hey...the what ifs are fun 🤣

[@Deuce-ic7un]

Totally agree, ST’s are more then the specials

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The entire thing is just completely maddening

[@robbyclark6915]

This is awesome. The most crybaby replies I have ever received were on ironbornrider cvo video from the other day where i said all this cvo stuff was crazy while Harley can't even build a new Rev Max bike that anyone wants to buy. They should be bringing the Bronx to the market. A super cruiser with 17" wheels, the 1250 engine, 35 degrees of lean angle, and looks like a dyna. You know, like that Buell super cruiser everyone wants! But nope. We get a bunch of new cvo models? Good night Harley. It was a good run.

[@justaguy5377]

noone wants a bronx

[@robbyclark6915]

@@justaguy5377 oh yeah? Who's noone? 🤣

[@justaguy5377]

@@robbyclark6915 think of it this way. If they made it the price tag would be 26k plus. Yes it would be cool. But if I'm buying a street fighter style bike its gonna be for 10 grand less and have much better performance. The livewire is the fastest bike Harley every produced and we can't give them away. They are really cool but noone wants to BUY them. So I will rephrase. Everyone wants the bronx but noone will want to pay for one.

[@robbyclark6915]

@justaguy5377 I disagree, but there's really only one way to find out. I doubt they would price it that high. Probably 20k. I would buy it! I would pay more for a Harley than a Yamaha or Honda. Not everyone wants the cheapest bike on the market. Some of us will pay that extra if it's a Harley Davidson. Besides that, they definitely aren't selling that Sportster S or the nightster, or the pan America, but they sure keep making them. Now they think a cvo pan America is gonna fix things? Noone wants a cvo PA and that's for sure. The Bronx is the bike Harley should have taken a chance on, not the Sportster S or the pan America. I have been waiting 3 years for them to put that engine in something I want to spend my money on and I'm still waiting.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

For sure, pop a Bronx out and keep it at a max of 18k and I could see it selling

[@nickahrens6139]

Cvo shit Back in the late 90s early 2000s, there was a year to 2 year waiting list for any Harley, Davidson They didn't even have CV OS then. They had shriners, though., and if you wanted to pick a color the list was even longer and you had to put down a deposit to be on that list that was non-refundable. $100-500 Matter of fact, since the Milwaukee 8 came out. It's pretty much the only time since then that you can walk in and buy a brand new Harley off the floor that's 2 years old. Keep up the good work Harley.😂😂😂😂

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah, seeing how many leftover models are there, year after year is probably the most telling thing when it comes to the state of Harley currently

[@tonydanzl]

Actually there was a CVO as early as 2000🤔

[@BlackphoenixEntertainment]

You're right, you want something special, but when it's to special and everyone has one it's no longer special.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

It's even worse is when it's something special, but it's so flooded that people aren't even buying it

[@doggie1luv]

😂😂😂😂 welp you ain’t wrong…. As my 23’ CVO RG sits at the dealership with a bad amp update. 😢 for the past 2 weeks, and I live in an all year round riding environment (southern California). Got the 23’cvo in October of 2023, been in shop 5 times since for various reasons/issues. Smh but when it works, it’s fun!! lol 😅

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Oh man, sorry to hear it. Hopefully they get that back to you soon so you can get riding

[@doggie1luv]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews Harley actually had to stop line production and are pulling amps from the assembly line to be able to fix the affected bikes. They didn’t have enough amps on standby/on the shelf.

[@Prometheus1979]

I think the company is a massive joke today. I can say that from experience. Been with Harley since 2011.3 new bikes one used. Now own a 2023 Roadglide-ST. I’m not at all happy with Harley’s direction.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Harley really needs to find a good balance and a new focus on value

[@darrelgraham9206]

I will just keep my bike, the prices are way to high, and quality has gone down

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I mean Harley's are glorified Lego kits anyway, as long as the frame is straight and true you can run the same bike forever

[@ericroadking7564]

Make bikes foor the working man!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh hell what a good idea!! Harley needs to pull thier head out of well you know where!! Good stuff brother!!

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeah, they definitely need to save themselves from themselves but we'll see what happens

[@edwardcold7431]

I love my like new 10k mile 2013 ultra classic cvo payed 19k last year one owner bike was 43k new overpriced at the time hell of a bike for 19 grand

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

And I'm sure it came with some upgrades as well which saved you as well!

[@edwardcold7431]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews Totally I got a powevision tune and Rinehart exaust cobra headers led headlights and fogs its awesome highly recommend it would never buy one new.

[@leonardoatx3]

Plastic in the engine?

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Oh there most certainly is.

[@SummitCoyote]

raising prices to pay for all that debt they pulled with all the sock buybacks the last several years in a row.... I sure hope they didnt take on all that debt to develop exciting new paintjobs on bikes nobody can afford to buy while simultaneously ignoring masses of people asking for something very different.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Also check out The video fortnine did about a year or two ago talking about Harley's debt and how they artificially inflate and manipulate their stock to make it look like they're doing better than they are. That's finally come home to haunt them

[@DynaDante7]

Im a huge harley fan but this was 100% on the head with everything said.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I feel ya! Glad you dig it!

[@williamjohnson6517]

SO my Stealership has like 4 CVOs at least at the moment . Towards the end of last year they sold a CVO Streetglide and i was talking to my friend at the parts counter. I said how much ? thinking 45 ish was the costs roughly of the last one i heard had been sold . He said $60,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤔😵‍💫Well you can tell the CEO that the people aren't making his kind of money. And where a CVO was a bit of a special rarity they are like two a penny now . Older bikers ( myself included) are keeping our older Harley's for the looks , and some of us can still work on them .Plus they are paid for . So Harley has all these mega expensive bikes but no takers especially youngsters that could no way in hell ever afford one . Now they will sell some ( law of averages) but not as many as they think they are going too. My 5 cents for inflation. 😎

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

60 k ?!?! Do they just assume there is a massive drug problem in your area and nobody has any reasoning skills left??!

[@theadventurousrider]

07:35 Wow didn't i make the comment on a video yesterday.. LOL

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

That is very well possible

[@celtfire]

Oh I thought CVO stood for Careless Vehicle Operators...😂

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I mean you still could be very correct there

[@robbyclark6915]

Harley is in trouble. Big trouble! They are cutting models at record pace every single year. In two years they have cut about 10 models. Maybe more? They have the rev max engine that they are doing nothing with, but instead, are focusing on cvo models and streamlining the touring bikes. One RG and one SG that aren't cvo. Cutting lower profit bikes. Doing nothing with the rev max platform. Focusing entirely on high profit margin motorcycles. Either they plan to not compete in tbe real world anymore, or they just cannot afford to keep building motorcycles? Either way, spells the end of Harley Davidson as we know it.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

They have cut models but at the same time they've introduced or reintroduced models. So yes, in one way they're scaling back but it seems like they're trying to find their stride but not quite nailing it

[@InfamousCreep]

🔥🔥🔥

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

💯🔥💯🔥

[@danfrost549]

Does your beard have a combover!?

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

No it just stays like that after your mom's been playing with it all night

[@lanegrow6001]

My whiskey neat is amazing, .... when i pull up❤ CVO

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The whiskey Neat is a good color for sure

[@TobyNorthEN]

12:20 - SO the CVO ST starts at $42,999 so $43k. That's in the low $40s...I expected the price to be much higher - like high $40s to low $50s. But that's our Ben aka BB&Bs - forever the pessimist. All good. You give all the brands equal s**t. LOL. The only difference is, Polaris...I mean...Indian...I mean...Polaris doesn't have a reveal going on right now to criticize. Ride safe!

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

You've confused the word pessimist with realist

[@TobyNorthEN]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews nah...lol...I'll agree to half-and-half. All good. It can't be an echo chamber.

[@billyoc225]

I shudder to think where I'd be without that one girl.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

She's a durable one 😂

[@SummitCoyote]

its badge engineering...again taking a page out Ford's playbook. remember when the performance badges or models were actually different? remember when those were performance packages and not just style options?

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Oh for sure. I mean CVO definitely doesn't mean what it used to me

[@leonardoatx3]

Harley became a Yuppie bike … but the Chinese got it with a 1200 V2

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I mean I get having some high ticket bikes but remember the people who got you here

[@haneymoto]

Customer - "You know what woudl be great. A smaller Pan America based on the Nightster engine. to compete with the tiger 900 and GS850" Harley - "Best we can do is a CVO Pan America" 😁😁😁😁

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Totally saw this entire meme unfold in my head while reading this

[@charlesblount6858]

What's your point? If you want to buy the CVO - Buy it! If you don't, don't.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

If you miss the point, there's no point in actually continuing this conversation with you here

[@leonardoatx3]

Puma CEO … screwing Harley CVO & Else

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Yeahhhh maybe not the best resume to hire

[@karldoerr9456]

You can't polish a terd but you sure can throw glitter on it!

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Not everything that sparkles is gold

[@danielleebolger4588]

I love the look of these motorcycle was told a autistic person has no right riding one.

[@jerichostevens2711]

autistic people have every single right to do whatever is they want to do that the rest of us have... whoever told you that is a shit bag.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Sounds like a Harley gatekeeper to me. Ignore that guy

[@sobedaytona]

When you sell a new bike for a higher price than a brand new Mustang something's wrong. With the current economy, regular people can't spend that much on a bike. Develop nice entry to mid level bikes instead on focusing on rich posers... And not a single real new bike this year...

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Preach! We shall see how this pans out for Harley

[@justaguy5377]

Manchester is part of a large HD group. They have 27 between them. But ya noone is buying silver cvo's

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Oh yeah I'm familiar with the fact that they do have a chain but still 27 sitting there waiting to be bought and I went into Manchester Harley over the summer and there was a full line of cvo's sitting there so it's not like they have to. One of their other dealerships have two. One of their other dealerships have two no, there were at least 15 sitting there

[@redhawk1497]

A little expensive??? A great deal more expensive 😅

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Oh you know just a few dollars here and there

[@jerichostevens2711]

HD has nothing in their current line up that I see that can't compete with the Japanese bikes... If you want a harley... you just go find a used one to buy...

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

In fairness when I go to buy a Harley I'm not trying to compete with a Japanese bike. In all honesty like you said, it's not going to happen. That being said, I still want a bike where I look at it and go. Oh I need to have that

[@frankfurther3828]

CVO= Fool's purchase. It's JUST a fkn road-going machine guys. Save your money and your dignity. The only letters a guy needs are F-L-H. The Motor Co. is unrecognizable. Overpriced, over-teched, offshore-made disposable crap. And F Jochen the golfer, not a biker.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

There is a lot of vitriol in this comment but a fact checked it and well I have no notes. It tracks

[@robertschoonover6517]

Naaa I’m sorry I can’t justify the money for over the top gawdy paint.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

The only time I ever considered it was the mako paint. That was so awesome. But even that when I factored in how much it would cost to get the bike and then how much money I'd have to dump into it to make the way I want it. I couldn't justify it

[@paullee4042]

Harleys been going in the wrong direction a long time. Im afraid profit has been driving the Co. in that direction plus im betting the upper CEOs and board menbers are not long time riders. Theres not real blue collar selection anymore (base model).

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

There's definitely blinders on where the whole thing is. Get as much profit as possible which isn't helpful for the longevity of the moco

[@Paul20661]

aha

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

💯

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

Price out your customer base , sell 1400 bikes and show share holders you did 100 million in sales. 50k for a soyglide wooohooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Only problem is all the money you just lost on bikes. You didn't sell that were made

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

@@BikesBeardsAndBrews great point

[@po7419]

Did this dude do any reaserch before he opened his mouth??? He missed the new engine, inverted forks, tuned suspension and 43000 price tags. This dude does not know what he's talking about

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Touched upon those several times over a few videos now all collected into a single playlist. Damn do you do any research before you open your mouth? You really don't seem to know what you're talking about

[@po7419]

Like I'm going to go watch every video from every internet know it all that just puts out bad info. Who has that kind of time. You should edit your own videos or make disclmers or distractions if you want to be reputable. But I'm just a dumb video watcher I don't know anything or anybody.... 😂

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

@@po7419 So literally reference everything I've referenced in past video's? Sure good plan, nothing gets people to watch week after week like repeating everything week after week and making a video an hour long? Great plan!

[@SoTiredButWired]

And now you can also lease them, lol

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

That is hilarious to me as people who would do this probably already trade in their bike every year or two

[@FlipandTheBlueMule]

👍👋👋😎🇺🇸🍺🥃🍺🥃

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

💯💯🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

[@greenrush4313]

Pan american before the rest

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I mean, it seems the most affordable and diverse

[@lanegrow6001]

CVO HATER

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

So you missed my CVO ride reviews from this summer, cool got it

[@TheBlueBikeDoyle]

You just mad you can't afford 1 therei said it

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

Damn you caught me. The jig is up

[@williamjohnson6517]

So I have two Harley's ,a 14 Firefighter Shrine Streetglide and an 05 Softail Deuce. I could afford a CVO but I rather buy a frigen pickup or whatever that has 4 wheels ect ect ect . Look what goes into a car ect , metal, electronics and compared to a motorcycle, any motorcycle and what's got the value ? I've been riding by the Grace of God 47 years and hopefully a lot more because as a Retiree its my life . But $60,000 odd ain't happening and I've personally seen 💩loads of CVO s on the Stealership floor .😎🇺🇸

[@TheBlueBikeDoyle]

@@williamjohnson6517 you what I said was just a joke right . But I totally get what your saying. I got my 19 and wife's 21 Spyder Rt what paid for them is less than CVO.

[@nickahrens6139]

If you wanted to destroy the tradition of Harley Davidson And it's American roots and blue-collar Heritage., how would you go about it any differently than what they're doing and have been doing for the last several years? At 1 point, Harley tried to patent the sound. Have you listened to an M8 engine? Does it sound anything like a Harley? No, those days are gone. Any Harley rider ever think they would hear? That Harley built and developed a motor with Kawasaki. At 1 point in time, those were fighting words. Not anymore, it's reality.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

That my friend is called globalization and sadly everyone's doing it

[@richpuller1348]

Anyone that buys the Silver 2023 CVO or the 2024 Pan America CVO is a butt pirate. My local HD dealer still has a High Tail Yellow 2022 Road Glide Limited CVO for $48K.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

That's the other thing I noticed about Harley. No matter how old a bike is on the floor, they refuse to drop the price to try and get it to sell. They would rather have it sit there and rot then sell it for a few thousand less.

[@richpuller1348]

HD is dead set on keeping the profit margin the same no matter what. The dealer with the High Tail Yellow CVO is a family owned business since 1965 in the middle of nowhere Indiana. Im sure their overhead is very low. HD threatened to shut them down if they did not maintain pricing like everyone else. @@BikesBeardsAndBrews