The Hearts Of Iron 4 DLC Tier List

Hello and welcome to the first upload on this amazing channel! Today we are making a tier list for all the great DLC released for this game!
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[@Tijn-nd8ro]

Remember when you promised an Alf playthrough at 750k and 25k likes for a vid? Well, that vid reached 26k likes. Alf.

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[@germanyluxembourgDX]

He changed it to 800k subs at some point which he will likely get soon

[@Tijn-nd8ro]

@@germanyluxembourgDX We don't accept changes here. Only if we get the rat we shall accept this.

[@Tricky2109]

@@Tijn-nd8rohe did say, “Artilerly only rat Alf Landon”

[@Tijn-nd8ro]

@@Tricky2109 yes

[@LauchTV2311]

The Together for Victory focus trees are so forgettable that you forgot the South African focus tree😂

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[@Rufusdadoofus]

FRFR I don't know why I ever bought it back in the day. I've still to this day have only played india

[@zacharysilver911]

@@RufusdadoofusYou bought it for the puppet autonomy system like we all did lol

[@ProfTricky3168]

Used to play SAF in MP HIS, I’ll never forget

[@kitsin326]

As a South African I’m disappointed in the South African focus tree

[@crusader2604]

You sound like that guy iSorrowproductions

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Lol no he doesn't. I'd say he's more like ISP.

[@Potatwielder]

You think? Nah, he sounds like a little gravy Timmothy rat boy.

[@jimtalbott9535]

@@drunkenhobo8020Yeah, ISP, now there’s a guy who doesn’t post often enough.

[@sharkronical]

@@jimtalbott9535have we seen ISP and Isorrow in the same room before? I don’t think so.

[@collinjamison6707]

lol aiproductions

[@ryansearle6157]

To clarify what you said about the free Poland dlc: there is a free dlc on the market called “Poland: United and Ready” (why didn’t they just add it to the base game?) which gives Poland the historical path from No Step Back and also a custom branch which contains barebones fascist, communist, and democratic paths, and is basically just the vanilla political tree with the added bonus of focuses for joining factions

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[@zacharysilver911]

Before the Barbarossa update the whole tree was smaller like the original vanilla trees

[@ISPuv]

Hello there.

[@SpoonRoyale]

Give us the rat.

[@TeaEnderman]

General Kenobi

[@soupwagon]

iSorrow = obi-wan kenobi confirmed

[@veeliski4792]

rat

[@Santa10013]

We want vic2

[@blakeochsner546]

>"At 20k subscribers we'll do a foot reveal" >10k new subs in 2 hours get them toes ready

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[@lisaruhm6681]

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[@yesmmmmmml]

@@lisaruhm6681 SPORTS

[@lisaruhm6681]

@@yesmmmmmml tsinegame.

[@Willyman42]

wheres the rat dlc

[@ronr661]

fr fr fellow gravy timmy

[@kyragem9491]

Wherever your Dad ran off to.

[@LancerIHR]

Even this channel isn't safe from the rat comments 😭😭😭

[@El-Tanko]

I believe that Battle for Bosporus was definitely outsourced to mod devs. You can tell, because a lot of paths a blocked behind weird random event choices. Like for Byzantium, you have to make several specific decisions. Same with Ottoman Empire and Macedonian empire path. With Bulgaria being the odd exception. It feels very kasiereichy

[@teamfossil6312]

Other evidence was that they declare war directly through focus/events, while paradox doesn’t do that

[@1Orderchaos]

It really shows how incompetent they where to add that. Relying on random chance like that is a big failure of game design, like you can just be locked out of everything if you're that unlucky, and there's nothing you can do but restart.

[@jackholt2364]

F in the chat for us here who bought the DLCs that were integrated into the base game.

[@kostakole9876]

i feel you bro o7

[@zacharysilver911]

We had years to “enjoy” them beforehand

[@commandercorl1544]

@@zacharysilver911 to be fair, not everyone bought it on release. some people definitely bought it like, days before it went free.

[@derpidius6306]

​@@commandercorl1544Not many, there is a point not too far in a PDX game's lifetime where grabbing new players is difficult because they are intimidated by all the DLC. At a certain point you just hope and pray a friend enjoys the concept of the game enough to trek through anyways. Believe my struggle as a Stellaris player tryna get friends into the game, and just as I have convinced them the game is good they see the tower of khalifa quantity of DLC and it is just a pass, in the end I only got like two people into the game and neither have continued playing

[@foghis.casian]

@@commandercorl1544 that is exactly what i did and i felt like poking my eyes with a fork

[@LedosKell]

The Banat tier list S- Banat A- Banat B- anat C- Banat D- Banat F- Austria-Hungary

[@jimtalbott9535]

B- hutan

[@tricot6468]

banat

[@jjproductions4768]

S- RAT A- RAt B- rAT C- Rat D- rAt E- raT F- rat

[@niku4154]

E- Banana

[@g_op694]

Vojvodina 👍

[@junebugeh6765]

Can’t wait for the next dlc were they add the Tana Tuva, Liberia, Bhutan and Nepal focuses also you forgot about aussa

[@MrBlamed]

I've understood that By Blood Alone was so hated because it came with update that changed air wings in a way that you were unable change their size anymore, forcing you to have air wings size of 100 even small nations that doesn't have capacity to build that many planes.

[@terrypennington2519]

Yep, made it like how the Navy was after MTG. If you had that DLC and you were a small minor, you basically lost the ability to ever build a Navy.

[@nickstoneham5629]

To be fair, if your economy can't support fielding at least 100 planes, you probably shouldn't be investing in an air force anyway. In my opinion, anyway.

[@zacharysilver911]

You can just have wings that aren’t full lmao

[@1Orderchaos]

​@@nickstoneham5629CAS is too strong not to.

[@Galactipunk]

@@nickstoneham5629 It's mainly a problem with larger planes. Most minors can pump out 100 fighters/cas but it's gonna be a lot harder for them to pump out 100 heavy fighters or 100 strat bombers.

[@koulagichi27]

isorrow giving our daily sloppy

[@Tom-oj7si]

With the toppy

[@TheRedHand01]

If only he uploaded that regularly

[@Zomo1553]

iSloppyProductions

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[@shakey2023]

The thing I hate the most about the turkey and the Ethiopian tree is not only are they not fun to play they also screw your game when you’re playing a historical Soviet game and turkey declares war on you while you’re still fighting Germany. It is the most infuriating thing in the world I do not want to fight the allies at all most of the time to be honest and Ethiopia does a similar thing. it screws you over if you’re playing as the British because of the constant revolts, its actual hell! that being said, I do like the Brazil game. Sometimes I play Brazil as historical and support the allies like I do with Canada it’s pretty fun game. I don’t mind it if it’s an on historical game with the AI focuses off, but with historical focuses on, they should not do those things.

[@Rufusdadoofus]

I love playing Ethiopia personally as it is a great challenge. I do think that some of the focuses are way too long though and I end up just by passing some in the console, really only the ones after the war

[@shakey2023]

@Rufusdadoofus Yeah, but that's basically the problem. Both turkey and Ethiopia both suffer from this. If your nation is only viable in the late game, you're not going to have a good time. And after you beat Italy, there's really not much else to do, but I do agree that the Italy war is pretty fun. It's the same thing with the Soviets I like fighting Germany as the Soviets but I don't like fighting the allies. so I usually stop the game before then

[@WillHammer117]

Man the guns also added the super unique feature which no one would have expected. Fuel

[@aaronstorey9712]

Fuel is still stupidly unbalanced. Subs boats and planes use less fuel than trucks.

[@Flaruwu]

​@@aaronstorey9712... You do know that a lot of planes have quite high mpg compared to trucks right?

[@georgiandude4810]

Fun fact, Ethiopia or By Blood Alone added a custom game rule feature, letting you make Ethiopia into shattered warlord states, and they all have "unique" focus trees (they're practically Aussa's focus tree copy-pasted lol)

[@Nn91.]

The issue between the Greek and Turkish focus trees is that I feel like Greece should have the longer focus times, while Turkey should have the shorter, I mean imagine waiting 70 days to get a doctrine bonus, and then the other country gets a 35 day focus to core the majority of the Balkans and/or Middle East

[@johnstanczyk4030]

How to play Switzerland? Easy. First you go the decentralized democratic route, then go the centralized fascist route (but not all the way- you want the SpAb), then go the centralized democratic route (but again not all the way, you want to not do Closer Democratic Ties), and then finally go the non-aligned/communist route so that you can conquer your neighbors and change your leader from the first aid kit to someone better like Clara Thalmann by around 1960. See? Easy.

[@terrypennington2519]

"The first aid kit" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Moh3-rekibi]

Waking the tiger brought in formable nations through decisions it should be ranked higher

[@portman8909]

Comes with the base game now.

[@adrelougarou149]

Thank the gods for this new channel, I was running out of sources of suffering

[@alertedanemone7]

Have you seen hollowbeing yet?

[@overabusedsalmon1238]

Wdym gods? There is one and his name is Jesus Christ

[@berkkarsi]

The only way to make Trial of Allegiance worth it is to either: 1 - Reduce the price 2 - Give all the other South American nations their own unique focus trees

[@tobimix991]

Artillery only Bhutan when?

[@kfiraltberger552]

In 800k, he's gonna do an Alf Landon artillery only Bhutan playthrough

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[@cisarovnajosefina4525]

we found the funny guy

[@AhmadsStuff]

​@@kfiraltberger552dude is gonna get Alf Landon to swap his us citizenship with a Bhutanese one just for artillery only

[@Player-oq8om]

Should definitely be done in something like BICE

[@Sc0ts]

Controversial take, I liked the Spainish civil war remake in La Resistance

[@Rufusdadoofus]

I like it too but only half the paths

[@user-jw1eb9cy9d]

Fr, it's like the best spanish civil war out there (yeah, I think it's better than in the mods) because it challenges you with the colossal wreck and chaos it was in the real life and how it really wasn't all that possible to finish the war in a couple of weeks of making snakes for the enemy's VPs.

[@thelakeman2538]

Arms market is good and all, but I've learnt recently that even in the base game now that you've together for victory integrated, you can use the request lend lease mechanic to cheese things in the mid game. Like as long as you have like a 100-150 convoys you can just improve relations with South American minors and request them for guns and support equipment. Very useful if you're torturing yourself as Egypt to get that damn achievement, since you get like 6 civs but 3 dockyards (so enough convoys, but very limited industry) and can effectively scam Chile, Brazil and Colombia AI out of guns to build an army far larger than what would be allowed by like the 3 mils you get out of the generic focus tree.

[@greyjund7782]

I am in Sorrow, producing

[@Tom-oj7si]

What you producing

[@Florian87]

@@Tom-oj7sihoi4 slop I imagine

[@greyjund7782]

@@Tom-oj7si rat goo

[@enderboy1824]

30:50 as the lore master I am, I will do this. I will make a pie chart EDIT: Dear god he hearted it, now I have to do it

[@nasseribnamr9043]

now the heart is gone 😢

[@enderboy1824]

@@nasseribnamr9043I have been disowned by father ISP

[@Florian87]

@@enderboy1824no you edited your comment, doing so removes the heart

[@Gettysburg-cz8hx]

The iSorrow loremaster continues onward

[@baronvonbork2856]

He's turning into Drew Durnil

[@daz184o_o6]

the most S tier thing is that you still enjoy(?) hoi4 after playing it for so long

[@lordshaxx4693]

Im reminded of La Resistance exists every time the spy I forgot about gets captured

[@darthrevan618]

My issue with the DLC is that there are still bugs and broken cores that have been in the game for years at this point the two that annoy me the most are Italy balance of power, the lost cores modifier activates regardless of what land is lost and never goes away, lossing random land in China and pacific can trigger the Italian Civil War Turkey, Ottoman path let's you make a faction with Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan via event and puppet them with the following focus, however the focus is auto bypassed if they're not already in a faction with you, and since the invite is done via event, there is a delay between it being sent and accepted while the focus is unlocked and bypassed instantly so unless you specifically set things up you will not get 3 puppets, that are guaranteed to you via focus....

[@darthrevan618]

For the turkey one, I am still salty cuz the focus tree fucking sucks and that ruined my achivment run, cant remamber which one

[@1Orderchaos]

It's almost like releasing dlc nearly once a year is a bad idea.

[@terrypennington2519]

My only complaint with AAT was the MIO's for Navy I swear dude upgrading the Naval MIO's and then having to let your ships upgrade for like nearly a quarter of a year just to increase AA defense by 10% is just brain hemorrhaging. Navy is already pretty difficult to build and maintain, mostly because MTG added so much research bloat and the fact that ships take a LONG ASS time to build, making the ships have to spend even longer just to get tiny upgrades from the MIO's really just makes me not even bother with them.

[@jermymckee6023]

Rat should be S tier

[@kumisispaketov3654]

Bruh I never knew there is a mini map in the corner

[@UngeTaaSleiker]

Buying HOI4 dlcs is paying the developers for content that should’ve been in the base game.

[@nickstoneham5629]

So from my understanding with the hate towards By Blood Alone, is that while there were a few small features that got changed or added that weren't overly popular, people hated the new peace conference system. Especially in regards to the AI fighting you tooth and nail for a piece of land halfway across the world, locking you out of your achievement or focus. On top of that, the border gore was way worse back then with the AI. Despite the fact that those features came out in the free patch that released alongside DLC, and had nothing to do with the DLC itself.

[@WipZedKay]

Thank you for this information. I will make sure to take this tier list into consideration when I will proceed to not buy Hearts of Iron 4 again.

[@jackson4672]

The International Market is really good for selling if you're playing a nation that takes time to get involved in the war, like the US, UK, or even Turkey, as you can delete your starting army and sell the equipment for factories.

[@nevuch_yan]

14:45 for saying that, I condemn you, ISinProductions, to capitulate the soviets without making a collab government

[@stuff9680]

Field commanders should come with some traits depending on what that commander has done in combat or what kind of division they lead

[@Varichan]

... it literally does? a commander from a tank division with enough xp becomes a panzer leader

[@shoddyknight]

Bosporus also adds the terrible thing where Turkey just attacks the Soviet Union dragging the allies in and yuck

[@TheLoneTerran]

I like the idea of the MIOs but honestly, they never really feel worth it. I feel I can get pretty much the equivalent of what all those companies do just by adding a couple levels of engine and armor to tanks. Also, I enjoy the Italian tree but I don't like how progress is blocked by being at war with a major nation, especially fixing the military industry which would be super helpful to be able to do to get ready to fight the majors!

[@poyloos4834]

I hate that the only nations that have meaningfully different and unique mios are goddamn scandinavia. I get that they came with the mechanic but it’s stupid that majors only tend to get a lot of mios, but not nearly unique enough mios

[@PavlosLepaul]

Still cannot believe we made into times when Death or Dishonor is not amazing DLC giving absolutely destryoing minds content. It's also interesting how slowly we were trasnforming to larger trees

[@blackoutspur]

I need more of this slop... I need it...

[@Vuosta]

Honestly spy agencies are really strong. Being able to get +15% stats in combat, getting big advantages to detection in the air/sea and denying the enemy any planning and most of their entrenchment is super strong, it's just so fucking annoying to set one up. That there isn't a popup of some kind to inform you that you can do stuff with the agency like there is for a research slot makes me just toss some spies in my enemy then forget about it in most of my games.

[@leonmikeson2313]

As someone who played with mods when I played HOI4 (Kaiserreich and Road to 56 back when that was a thing) the focus trees were always secondary to actual gameplay mechanics added with the DLCs. La Resistance making the “spying” mechanics more complicated with less proportional reward is a reason why in my opinion it’s one of the worst DLCs. Then again I haven’t had time to actually sit down and play a game since before No Step Back… I just get my fill of the game by watching you and Bo.

[@chobez271]

they need to make it where we can save designs of tanks and planes, its tedious

[@1cedcoffee]

2:00 I remember the very first time I played HOI4, I played as Germany and lost to not France, not Poland, but *the Netherlands* because I had no idea how the fighting mechanics worked lmao

[@YurikoKinai]

Good take. Maybe a tier list of the various vehicle manager equipment like heavy MGs for planes or light/heavy cruiser meta. Or a tier list for each focus tree, though that would be a hot mess and a half with how many there are. Either way, keep em coming, always fun watching your take on HOI4, both gaming-wise and input-wise

[@Rufusdadoofus]

The best focus trees offer the most freedom and movement within the tree. Basically everything opposite of the swiss tree.

[@jeremyglass4283]

Together for Victory did add 2 very important things, the spearhead order, which is much better for making encirclements with than offensive lines, and the ability to release nations as a puppet.

[@zacharysilver911]

Death or Dishonor added the Spearhead order

[@jeremyglass4283]

@@zacharysilver911 that’s incorrect, it’s in the together for victory dlc notes

[@zacharysilver911]

@@jeremyglass4283 Wow that’s crazy. I’m rarely wrong about stupid little things like this. That makes DoD suck even more lmao.

[@pabloca3]

"Mr. Timothy a third channel has hit the KZbin"

[@anman135gamer6]

Is it a possibility for you to use this channel to post in-depth HOI4 tutorials and strategy guides? Obviously on your main channel you have to be the funny map game man but since this is still such a new channel that would be a very cool and useful series to see.

[@ryankorte7533]

I fell asleep watching this video and dreamt of two people, one from Bavaria and one from Turkey, each partaking in Spy vs. Spy antics and taking notes on how to crush their nations enemies, all with this mysterious iSorrow guy speaking over them

[@LeDoctorBones]

I actually quite liked Yugoslavia's (And regional hegemon Romania's) focus tree back when DoD released. Much more than the TfV ones, at least. I feel F is quite harsh for DoD since Focus tree's should partly be judged against the DLCs released around the same time, not current focus trees which are much better.

[@theexplosive1062]

As an Icelander, I simply appreciate the fact that paradox remembered that we exist. I never expected much and to be honest Iceland is more fun and detailed than I could ever have dreamed of so I'm content

[@Gun_Metal_Grey]

no way Trial of Allegiance is better than the Battle of Bosporus

[@esteban7143-]

Finnish supremacy league into Nordic empire by mid 38 was actually kinda awesome.

[@Croxxans]

Isp's opinion on the soviet tree fills feedbackgaming's head with rage

[@RHball]

I actually love all the dlcs because personally I will always prefer a country to be playable (with a focus tree) rather than being forgotten about. Now it only comes down to personal preference and personally, Battle for the Bosporus is one of my favourites from what I've seen, because I love the countries in the pack. The focuses could be better for Greece and Turkey, but I love them.

[@leolinguini260]

Give Slop! I desire Slop! Slop! Slop! Slop!

[@stuff9680]

Waking the Tiger also gave a Germany rework to bring the Kaiser back

[@palchum1185]

4:50 ISP forgetting about how romania is actually a very fun country to play in hoi4 with its balkan dominance path

[@tomasdariuspaun7586]

"iSorrow" I understand you, ISP.

[@cynicat74]

I'd be interested in seeing a Tier List about the most popular mods on the workshop, talking about the pros and cons of mods like Kaiserreich, Millenium Dawn, New World Order, Old World Blues, and so on.

[@braylen5830]

Father, we NEED the rat

[@iGamezRo]

Honestly, they should simply hire like 3 devs from the top 10 most popular mods and have them rework all the old DLCs. They'd have 30 devs who made some of the most in-depth and beloved mods for this game. Imagine what the KX devs could do. These people made mods objectively better than vanilla for free. It is clear that they love this game. Even for a modest sum they would accept to do it.

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

I'm just glad we've reached the point in Hoi4's lifespan where we can honestly consider hoping the devs could squeeze in some content for a country like Iran or Venezuela without the entire community screaming bloody murder because they want an updated Italian focus tree, and being willing to lynch people with spaghetti.

[@revengeanceguy8649]

here for the foot reveal

[@lordedmundblackadder9321]

you’re already at 12k. feet pics at 20k were promised. I expect it.

[@Toastmaster_General]

Romania’s focus tree’s a blast, even now

[@DenizT-s3k]

If the Turkish focus tree had not been so long, it would have been impossible to defeat Turkey after 1943. The path is so long because establishing Turan earlier would have been chaotic.

[@Greyspecies9999]

"Japan is the new italian focus tree" *God, that's the worst low possible*

[@awesome_moustache7330]

Armored car run only when

[@kevinmcd5578]

The best (Most fun focus trees really) 1. Poland 2. Italy 3. Bulgaria 4. Estonia 5. Germany Honorable mention Portugal Bulgaria and Italy lift their DLC’s into being great just because of how replay-able and fun those trees are. Also having oaths to make minors into mini majors make the best trees. It also increases game playability. It would be cool to see how many hours people have playing a tree from a dlc, I think it would mess with the rankings.

[@The_Painter0624]

Idk I LOVE by blood alone, its always the highlight of a game when i just absolutely destroy the air and a main reason i got into the game was italy

[@Baysal_Alisan]

Ck3 dlc tierlist

[@NeroPiroman]

When artilery only

[@zachdrago8130]

when the isorrow isn't producing

[@Xeemix]

New Zealand focus tree is actually bussin

[@themightyhood5922]

I miss chef Boyardee BRING HIM BACK

[@dualrotorhelicopter]

thank you islopproductions!

[@MCCamels]

Isorrow, Yousorrow, everyone sorrows for sorrow!

[@tricot6468]

Honestly I appreciate the division guys. Allows you to promote unit leaders who got cracked bc of grinding and stuff. Super cool how you can promote a ready general

[@witty_comeback]

I enjoyed this! For my Death Or Dishonor will always be like a B because it was the DLC that got me into the game and I probably have a stupid number of hours in Romania and to a lesser extend Yugoslavia and Hungary. Death or Dishonor desperately needs an update though, only one of the nations they added actually gets cores on any territory. On top of that I'm a sicko who enjoys the Greek and Bulgarian tree so that's probably C for me

[@potato96hasdrowned66]

I love la resistsnce tbh, i really enjoyed the addition of spy agency and i really like the France having bigger Focus tree :/ for me its a B tier

[@judahfriedman8516]

I can't wait till the foot reveal on 20K.

[@Moh3-rekibi]

Foot reveal reading mein kampf artillery only at 300k subs let's go boys

[@bm8985]

I don't mind the Turkish focus tree. Turkey's tree has some potential and as a country it has room to grow. Yes some parts are complicated, but literally every new focus tree requires lots of timing/play testing/balance of power management. By comparison, turkey is simple to play. Needs some of the decision costs reduced. There are soooo many decisions you need to take.

[@Chuck12312]

we just need a rework for Together for Victory and Death of Dishonor, but also Germany and Japan rework and we can add Belgium (who was at the centre of attention of ww2, not south america) and one for Austria

[@user-pj6ch6cc4d]

Asia is also just generally pitiful. There needs to be more historical stuff for China, Siam, Indonesia and the Philippines.

[@Chuck12312]

@@user-pj6ch6cc4d I’d actually agree on that

[@NotKnafo]

i love armored cars but hate the intelligence agencies and focuses trees

[@lsdrad]

I think you mixed objective and subjective up once or twice

[@lukuria]

Yooo, tierlists! Wooo! I love getting angry at some random man's opinion on the internet!

[@potato88872]

Are you going to do a mod tier list ? I have a couple in mind.

[@Storiedfrog9]

I think they should tweek a lill bit the french focus tree, specially the french union/Freance indivisible focus which is 100% RNG so is quite pointless to do so unles you want to deal with 100% of resistence in your occupied states, also there are A LOT of 70 day focuses that do so little

[@blardraki5305]

Jokes on you the algorithm promoted this to me

[@Dante-mr3rz]

Together for victory is S tier for Paradox executives.

[@tomatoheadfd]

Isorrow i highly recommend trying out the authoritarian path for Norway. Through decisions you can get a butt ton of militias who, whilst weak, can help you completely overrun all your neighbours so you can make scandinavia and get coree super fast!

[@FreudRulz]

Really hope at some point Yugoslavia gets a proper update, its been my favorite country to play for forever but youre right that focus tree is as dated as the Pyramids.

[@franskelvin]

Wait, your telling me that for 1 year = 4 Focuses in the Turkish focus tree 4 FOCUSES FOR 1 YEAR?????

[@winterstorm3325]

I remember the first time I played hoi4, it was the base game, I played as Germany, and immediately lost to poland.