The History of DotA

[@flibbledave]

Failed to mention Heroes of Newerth (HoN), which succeeded when they asked Icefrog for permission to use DoTa hero concepts in their game which drew the original dota fanbase. Seeing the success of HoN was what made Valve contact Icefrog to see whether he would be interested in porting the game to a new engine with massive support.

[@adrenaline8100]

wow

[@2g1rls1cup]

HON was also released way before LOL if I am not mistaken.

[@xXNIGHTTIGERXx]

David O'C what about the mod Tides of Blood.... I remember it being so much fun!

[@streetguru9350]

Dead game, no one really cares in the end, it failed mostly because initially you had to unlock all the heros right? like LoL? but it was just Dota for the longest time, so why not just play Warcraft 3 dota where you already have all the heros available

[@spectreapex2803]

hon was sooo goood but... just died

[@hardtma]

I'm a LoL player by heart, but I'll never forget where I came from (wc3 Dota) and I have much respect for the developers and community of Dota/Dota 2. So I'm really touched by your conclusion of this video. Very good job!

[@someone-wi4xl]

just curious .. why don't you play Dota 2 ? (if you don't) and prefer lol

[@hardtma]

Excellent question! It was due to LoL being released before Dota 2 and by the release of Dota 2 I was in too deep already, for example my friends started to play the game together with me and so on. So it's I just stuck with the game I was frequently playing. If Dota 2 was released before LoL it would've been a completely different story, I'm sure of that. I tried a bit of HoN too, but my friends had problems running it on their PC's at that time so we abandoned it. Cheers

[@staciefreshener4032]

Its fine , play what you enjoy > I myself love RTS more than MOBA , but I love both somewhat when it comes to playing. As long as were not toxic , thats how were all living good life.

[@girugaymesh]

The WC3 map editor made my entire childhood and youth. Back in the days, playing video games was something else..

[@TheJanvicgwaps]

Good Old days when you can still go with 2 vanguards!

[@KingBatiatus]

Who says you can't? Mute your teammates and buy Vanguards to your heart's content! Long Live the double-Vanguard Knight Davion!

[@jaredvennett4036]

Well, if you're building abyssal blade and crimson guard, then it's totally okay:)

[@TheJanvicgwaps]

gantur purevsuren haha

[@LO000L]

And 2 helm of iron will on centaur :))

[@tokyopulis]

also you can kill roshan with only ring of basilius using templar assassin. Faster than ursa

[@argenerarion]

All the memories, all these years spent playing battle net lans. I cried a little. Subscribed!

[@funksoul945]

i am not the only one. thanks bud :)

[@samsondaniel399]

Yeah even me.

[@mhdsolomon25]

all of my Best friends nowadays, are from there there, the Dota days :'(

[@K4rgo]

I feel you mate.. Never will there be a game like Wc3. Never.

[@vitorleite3095]

Same

[@nyastclair8174]

Remember when Phantom Assassin was invisible and you could only see her shadow on the ground. I miss those days in Dota

[@ozcalavera1667]

a dark spot in the game is the last thing i am missing about to be honest :D i think it was already changed before dota 2 with a different transparency mechanic

[@nyastclair8174]

@@ozcalavera1667 It made her so much stronger then because she was less noticeable.

[@nyastclair8174]

@@ozcalavera1667 But my point is I miss those days when PA was like that. Aka 2006-2008 Dota era.

[@alex_velociraptoras7651]

Shadows off setting You played yourself

[@2531Prasad]

History of dota remember the time before ranked match making people used to say GLHF before game and used to enjoy game better vs now.

[@gipgip01]

and when someone quitted... you switched teams, because it was not about competition, it was about having fun

[@LockenJohny101]

I have friendly people in about 70-80% of the games. Its getting better, since the "mad russians" meme is fading away.

[@Blipblop6337]

Ahh the old days...

[@pharenpillai2446]

Just eat a member berry dude

[@thermodynamics1110]

that sure brings me back.....every game start: glhf.... i first did that when i tried dota 2, and no one replied....

[@sugaadai]

Back in my day!! the Aegis of Immortal were bought in shop.

[@leixnt]

imba item, reduce magic damage + 3x reincar hahahahaha

[@timothylalrinawmakhiangte8753]

back in my day aegis of immortal spawned me in fountain

[@Enceos]

Yeah, I remember those days too )) I can't tell how long it's been since then.

[@pandaland9698]

i remember that 2006 i guest

[@deliore9861]

Aegis stacked

[@joncalvert4690]

I know I can just say this to you, but dude, I cried a little. Like this is our heritage and I wouldn't have wanted anyone else to do this video.

[@TZJinzo]

thanks! always means a lot coming from you :D i think we dont give enough credit to the original developers of dota. they did it for the love of the game, and nothing else. today, valve will hire people, but its for the pay, and most of the time not because of interest or passion

[@forte609]

Watch the we, the community or free to play. You can really see the passion of everyone involved the scene back then

[@alecmartin3700]

My story is simple. I started in 6.43 dota. I picked troll. I made basher. I won the game.

[@yoyo5475]

LOL at that time they used to make bfury for troll!

[@dhirendrasahay]

Wait basher worked with troll before???? Omg ggggg

[@didisinful]

yeah its unlibash

[@simeonsimeonov4776]

nope 2 bashers and buter u must be really dumb to make fury

[@simeonsimeonov4776]

and u can buy 2 bashers :D

[@golddoraemon]

Thank you for taking the time for making a video to let us know more about the history of Dota. It's never easy to keep a history lesson from becoming dull. Thank you IceFrog for persevering through.

[@IAmebAdger]

Icefrog is not getting enough credit? Pfff, he is the most revered person in all of the DotA community.

[@wannanda]

so what happen to Eul?

[@deliore9861]

gave up

[@tong3059]

He's dead. they even replaced a item named after eul to another name.

[@wannanda]

dead like dead dead?

[@BoltzmannBrian]

dieded?

[@trinajska]

Good video. I've been playing dota since riki had witch doctor ulti about 10 years now and somehow it never gets old,its just a fantastic game.

[@asdascsa]

and thrall (distruptor) had pucks ulti :)

[@thermodynamics1110]

i went 50-1 with that riki. FUN TIMES. it was a 2 hour game btw.....so many memories. after they changed his ult, i never played him again.

[@mariusbleek]

thermo dynamics remember when Riki used to have death Ward back in 5.84? Times were hard man

[@g.3865]

I thank you admin for the video. This video have brought back so many childhood memories..... cut my school...with my friends and go to a CC play LAN warcraft, starcraft Counter strike, half life...the laughters....the noob moments... beautiful memories... ...... thank you again admin....god bless you........

[@mustafizurrahaman8716]

man!! this is so rare to find that much politeness and manner in internet. respect and salute!!

[@TZJinzo]

thanks. better stuff to come, i hope you enjoyed this :)

[@mustafizurrahaman8716]

i enjoyed every video i have seen, until now. looking forward. am jst another well wisher.

[@kikomihov007]

Wtf I'm crying like a bitch. I haven't cried in years. I was there since the start. I grew up with dota, and dota grew with me. I'm glad it's now the biggest competitive game in existence 😂

[@ryanreycorpin6141]

DotA will always be part of our lives. Hays. Realizing how it grew for the past few years, wonderful!

[@ryanreycorpin6141]

I don't even care if LoL is now bigger than DotA. Play your game, we'll play ours. It's just a matter of respect, man.

[@kikomihov007]

+asdd loll k.

[@kikomihov007]

***** k.

[@kikomihov007]

+

[@evold2504]

Hey jinzo brother, this video is utterly heart-warming. The history of DoTA really deserves the attention not only from the community itself, but those who are connected with MOBA today. it's a bliss to see DoTA growing from time to time. Let us continue playing out part in preserving the essence of DoTA for as long as DoTA lives, the spirit of our heart lives.

[@mohammadafaneh8595]

I honestly teared up a bit. Thank you to everyone who helped in creating this game and making it what it is.

[@cecil8586]

great video, but it reminds me on how old I am

[@fayjbbr7861]

indeed :'D

[@Parkddaf]

Cecil Seshi you look like youre 13, calm down

[@cecil8586]

parkdd ill take that as a compliment

[@carlmanalastas1312]

hahaha

[@ebusufjanadili9394]

+ hagahahahhahh hahahahahahaha

[@Flasheur]

just watched the trilogy, dota/pendragon/icefrog. New sub here, very nice work on thsi videos man.

[@Lorenzopdesign]

I'm not sure how I just found your channel, Love your content man!

[@TZJinzo]

loool. throw down the sub, more to come!

[@phopis]

Looks legit. Subbed.

[@pentaly]

same here. i just found your channel.

[@pendyaaa]

This is really awesome. DOTA used to fill my high school life. Endless nights and days playing dota. Those days are long gone now :(

[@waltworksca]

You wont find any video like this in youtube. I love you man (no homo) keep it up-

[@TZJinzo]

love you too, better stuff to come!

[@hndrwn]

Thank you @TZJinzo

[@justthinkmore586]

I'm loving your channel. Awesome video. High quality work here. Great job

[@leenmagic5911]

Nice video man :) As a LoL (League of legends) player, this video has definitely helped me appreciate Dota2 a lot more. Very informative and clear :) Thanks!

[@darealrulezbreaker9493]

i cant find any comment of an "ohm" what did he write?

[@utkarshrajput1879]

i will just say , ultimate video man, truly deserves a like , share and anything we can do, wc3 , frozen throne , gerena , old back days , really heart touching

[@gauravbagal4755]

u deserve alot more subs dude. this was by far best history of any game explained by youtuber. keep up the awesome work bro.

[@AnizhAxelRai]

Made me Cry T_T Thankyou so much for making this video and thankyou the developers and Thanks to our god ICEFROG

[@TZJinzo]

thanks! i hope you enjoyed it :)

[@Tabbes]

ASMR quality voice

[@TZJinzo]

every time i see your name i want to shout tabbeh, with the 'jimmeh' voice from south park

[@fetusman9994]

Nice

[@eggwatch596]

Ok

[@jellybean358]

seeing the dota allstars footage and you listing the versions me and my friends always debated at LANs which to play.... So many good memories

[@digitalpacman]

I'm sad you didn't mention Heroes of Newerth. I felt that was a true competitor to Dota All Stars

[@harukonoe4248]

HoN was basically dota1.5 tho.. Icefrog allowed use of his heroes and mechanics to s2games and he worked for them for a while before switching to valve.

[@maharot0501]

until s2 became greedy and frog wanted out because it wasnt his game.

[@Apostheb3st]

S2 shot themselves on the foot so hard and so many times that I don't know whether it's just hilarious or really sad. I remember a time where me and many friends of mine, as dota players, would kill for a closed beta key of HoN. And than the shitstorm begun with its release... Also, hardcore mode with 100% exp denial...oh god that was awesome.

[@enaniux182]

Though exactly the same. HoN was the perfect DotA for the future, but it slowly died after ver 3 :(

[@tokyostret]

I still play HoN :D

[@Gejm0n]

"The release of Rain of Chaos" *Shows clip from The Frozen Throne*

[@monkeydog8681]

I started playing DOTA back when sand king can perform 3 epicenter.

[@NguLucReviews]

Your video is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for your hard work. I really liked it!

[@waltikisucaldino429]

I just made an account to say thank you. Please make videos of hero origins. Their history clans and stuff.

[@TZJinzo]

Thanks. Planned, and to come!

[@AlrycaAeveaHexendias]

Waltiki Sucaldino Hi! Replying just in case you're still waiting for hero origins videos. A channel "Dennis the Tall" has a series called "Dotaology" which focus on the history of every individual heroes.

[@tyrachnydia696]

You made me time-travel from my younger years on... I grew up with warcraft...later i became a huge fan of dota, and so it goes on.... I remember some of the patches like it was yesterday :) Thanks a lot for this video!! You earned my like&subscribe :)

[@karlcasas]

Thank you IceFrog and all the initial contributors of Dota!!!

[@hasbiziyadi7627]

seeing warcraft 3 reign of chaos brought up of my middle school memories. shit this vid made me remember time when debt and responsibility don't exist

[@originalsun5206]

You earned my subscription. Way to go man, keep this interesting content going.

[@carsonbob9066]

Thanks for taking the time to make such a high quality video that goes into great depth covering most of the complicated history of a game that has, as you have shown, taken decades in the making.

[@awareness-mb5do]

i was there since th begining n feel fricken old loll

[@jilaxwest9770]

That thank you in the end MOVED ME SO MUCH OMG! you nailed it! i love this game and i also wanna thank the developers from the bottom of my heart. u changed my life

[@nikolailj7545]

Wow, awesome video. Also your voice and english accent are great. Would love to watch more of your videos.

[@TZJinzo]

Thanks! More to come, don't worry :)

[@haxygo7004]

In the beginning Blizzard made Starcraft and Warcraft Series with editors, people begun making mods with it. (Aeon of Strife is the first moba that has been created in Starcraft) After some few years after Aeon has been created and Dota has born (So Aeon is Dota's what? A brother? No one knows.), but while dota is on developments the developers of dota went on they're own ways then Icefrog has continue to develop Dota until Valve adopted it (will some arguement with Blizzard made, Valve successfully adopted Dota), years later Dota has grow up then he turns into Dota 2, while the other developers of Dota, made they're own game called LoL (League of Legends) it's Dota's lost long sister/brother/whatever this two continue to grow and improve, and not so long ago Dota 2 and LoL's younger brother has born... The Heroes of Storm, it's has the Starcraft and Warcraft's looks (Who knows who is her mother), Heroes of Storm grows with her grandmother (Blizzard). And so this is how the 3 Legendary game borns. Wait so Blizzard is Starcraft and Warcraft's Mother then Starcraft is Aeon's Mother (Which is the founder of MOBA Games) then Warcraft is the mother of Dota/Dota 2 (then valve has adopted it!), after that Dota/Dota 2's father has another son in another women and it's name is LoL. (So LoL is Dota/Dota 2 Step Brother?) After that events the Heroes of Storm has born, but who is her mother? Who knows that the story of Dota/Dota 2, LoL, HoS does looks like this.... :)

[@Yessica748]

memories of my powerfull 64 kbps conection and nights whith my friends playing dota...

[@ssgenx2847]

da Flowerblue it was a cherished gift by our parents

[@TheIndominableIowan]

Great video, brought back some awesome memories of playing dota over LAN with my friends back in the day

[@j-p8358]

no one has ever done that!!! no one has EVER done that in the history of DOUDA!!!

[@aizaz8002]

Really liked the humble way in which the video was conducted. Well done!

[@xxNutcasexx]

So I'll never know who IceFrog is...

[@Half_Finis]

Is bruno kappa

[@moomimi]

Voldemort

[@aelix56]

No kappa, it is bruno.

[@Sisyphus_2468]

you are a spoiled brat

[@Alirabca]

its a frog .....ON FREAKIN FUCKIN ICE!!!!!!

[@AcIDVayEX]

Thank god your video was suggested at my YT Homescreen. Liked, shared and subscribed!

[@E_Clip]

Wow dude, I rarely complement youtube content creators, but you certainly impressed me. Well spoken, good voice and good videos. You have what it takes to be a good talent in the dota community, we certainly need more people like you! Cheers!

[@Dave-um7mw]

A couple of fun facts about Eul's DOTA on Warcraft 3: In Eul's DOTA on Warcraft 3, when you killed a hero the screen would display that the killer PAWNED the killed's head for XXX gold. Later in DOTA Allstars it was changed to PWNED for XXX gold. Eul created a sort of DOTA 1.5 called Stand of the Dwarfs. It was a lot more fun than Thirst for Gama. Eul credits the inspiration for creating his map to a previous MOBA on Warcraft 3 called Valley of Decent. Eul named a hero on his version of DOTA, the Mageslayer, after himself. In early betas of Eul's DOTA, every item could drop on death like how the Divine Rapier does. Luckily that changed quickly.

[@Franciscomp70]

WOW! This video made me get some feelings and what i have to say is: pen pinneapple apple pen.

[@Franciscomp70]

Sorry, that was my sister.

[@thecipher8495]

LMAO.

[@rmlmax]

LOL

[@khalilrifai5784]

Gr8 vid , amazing narration , good details .Please keep em coming

[@jullian571]

I kinda miss Razor's Old skills :( That razor was easy to play.

[@jullian571]

and also his damn range

[@richardtunggal5085]

what razor skill im new and interesting for oldskill

[@jullian571]

hahaha

[@jullian571]

richard tunggal Hahahaha, His first skill was the Chain lightning, has a damage that can kill the range creep 1 hit. and increases damage per bounce. 2nd skill was named FRENZY, it gives razor great attack speed. 3rd skill never changed. then 4th skill, all enemy (hidden or not) in razor's area will be struck by lightning like 90dmg (lvl 1) every 3 or 4 sec. That update was like 10 years ago :)

[@richardtunggal5085]

ty

[@Nvchatra]

One of the best polished Video. Keep up the good work and Thank you .. you deserve It

[@NSKGamer]

Whoever has been playing since prehistoric DOTA times..raise their hands😁

[@TensorProgramming]

I remember the old Riki with the WD totem. That shit was so broken but so fun as well.

[@Mich-ur6od]

what about "The 3 Corridors" i think that's the first DOTA!

[@ahmedshinwari]

Spot on...I think the OP is bullshitting !

[@3DSurfacing]

So true, I enjoyed 3 corridors than dota.

[@pgyx8199]

The 3 corridors is the birth of dota! have to wait 3 mins for revival regardless your level

[@chrisp4973]

it also came out after the first dota.

[@chrisp4973]

Yeah! You're right! It was the first dota. I mean, it came out after dota was released, and copied the layout of dota, but yeah!

[@fadhil7959]

Man, the feels.. I still think it's just yesterday that my friend told me about this game, and then you spent hundred of hours forging your skill innit, skipping school because of it, making new friends, going to local tournaments.. Now i'm a grown ass man, dota and the community has grown big too, i'm very proud of that.. And maybe when i have children, i'll introduce them to this game, saying, "Oh my dear, Dota isn't just a game, it's a lifestyle. And it will continue to exist even after we're all long gone."

[@alihammoud5300]

ur voice bruh it's like ur creating a the cure for cancer kinda serious 😂

[@francisalmia2050]

I've been there from the start.. I'm too old for this.

[@bocahpetualang89]

jinzo = icefrog

[@pooky911]

I clearly remember clicking on DOTA ALL STARS in the mod section of WC3, feels like pioneer spirit :)

[@s0meRand0m129]

and yet LoL player claimed that Dota was made based on LoL game and LoL was better and the first one made before Dota..... I guess LoL player never heard the game of StarCraft p/s : ahri is a good doujin material :D

[@terbishbaldirmaa2984]

Umm you mean Warcraft 3?

[@SillyMeause]

+Terbish baldirmaa WC3 Dota was based on a Starcraft custom map. Forgot the name, Aeon's Strife?

[@Tompinaikaraoke]

Hahaha LoL player will burn with this.

[@aldrinmarang447]

Majority of LoL players are still sucking their mom's tits when Starcraft and WC was released so they had no idea what they are talking about

[@renukumari6197]

Actually I have played both lol and dota 2 and I like the concept of both if there were reds and blues in dota it wud be fun if there was courier and roshan in lol it wud be fun :) both games r better thn other MOBAs and I respect both

[@kandiaru3035]

Since I was a kid in around 2004, I remembered Icefrog, Eul, and Guinsoo that contributed in the making of Dota

[@sqho532]

lol, HoN is ignored in the dota history

[@beingahero1436]

Super informative and nostalgic to be seeing dota allstars. takes me back! thx for the tribute video.

[@geo1621]

10 seconds and I am already triggered

[@TZJinzo]

i prefer ARTS over MOBA. moba makes me feel like a massive scrub for some reason

[@geo1621]

TZJinzo You still are a scrub ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@dababby2558]

If you play multi unit hero like Meepo its a ARTS, if you play PA its MOBA at its finest. so i would say its MOBARTS. RIP for thous who liisten to your suggestion and did suicide over a videogame terminology.

[@holycrapjesusman]

Janis Locmelis It's never a MOBA, no matter who you play. Mutliplayer Online Battle Arena is so fucking generic, it's insane. Call of Duty is a god damn MOBA by that acronym's standards. The objective isn't to battle in an arena, it completely misses the point, the objective is to gain a strategic advantage over your opponent and destroy their objective. It's a strategy game with objectives, not a battle arena. Multiplayer Online is also very redundant/unecessary. Action Real Time Strategy works even if you're playing PA. There is still an overall RTS vibe and objective, but the "action" is that you only have to control a few units (when you play PA you can still control other units I.E. helm of Dom).This is literally just an RTS with the buildings already built at the start and most other units being AI/teammate controlled.

[@Theflubbymaster]

awesome video! i remember walking into the library at high school back in 2010 and seeing ALL of the 30 or so computers loading in dota - you had to figt to get a computer. eventually they banned all computer games in the library so that people could do homework, but I didnt realise how big this game would become.

[@joshuablanco3196]

Dislikes - Lol players not accepting the truth that DOTA is their father. :D and they're too young to compete with him. :D

[@mguard9428]

they can compete though. LoL has been more popular almost all the time it has existed. It has derived from DotA, but has surpassed it in popularity because it is much easier to get into as a new player.

[@MrFrezeeTr]

mikkel and dont forget to mention about hot anime chicks they are using on character wallpapers...

[@mguard9428]

EminBerk I don’t think that matters for popularity, and even if it does, Dora does the same with their characters

[@MrFrezeeTr]

Well trust me if it wasn't they wouldn't spent time to make for hundereds of character and dozens of costumes for each one.(even the costumes in lol are bullshit I mean its not the same in game you are just buying wallpaper in game its not the same one if you know dota costumes you would understand me.) Also if you compare the amount of female characters and male characters that is lol have while for example dota have only one str female character LC (even she was male back in the days of dota all stars) you would see what they are trying to do actually. Just copy one old epic legend's story change it a little bit write it as a book and cover that fake book with beautiful book cover and put some more pictures between pages and here you go this is how lol get popularity. I cant explain much better.

[@merouman2352]

Simply league players cant play dota and dota players cant play league

[@EyeScreamSandWitch]

It's the final month of 2019! I can still remember back in Dota 1 "05 when almost half the purchasable items and passive skills have orb effects.. No escape dagger for venge, and with the same dagger you can dodge sven's stun on a point blank range.

[@Red_in_Mt.Silver]

Kaguya : Starcraft Hagoromo ( Sixpath ) : Dota Asura : DOTA2 Indra : LOL *end of story*

[@mandirigma4608]

Indra is older than asura XD

[@delsin1126]

I started playing dota 2 around 2014-2015 and met some of my best friends on steam. Even though of recent we don’t talk much, I still go back to the game and think of all the crazy shit that happened

[@andrewralte8004]

jinzo have u heard of pendragon?

[@TZJinzo]

i mentioned pendragon twice in this video...

[@andrewralte8004]

+TZJinzo i kinda ment the pendragon incident 😂

[@TZJinzo]

that man does not deserve the time on this video to ruin the history of dota. i may make a standalone video and roast him for 10 minutes. but thats all

[@andrewralte8004]

+TZJinzo ill be waiting for that video.And again very nice content shows u do a lot of reasearching gj mate!!

[@johncenjekktesnado6880]

if u wanna hear about pendragon, go search history of LOL coz the video is about Dota.

[@ping1xx]

"the concept of the Korea was also his idea." - CC

[@jnrs9512]

Completely left out heroes of newerth

[@zeusgarcia97]

thanks to all the creators of doto. u da real mvp

[@TZJinzo]

pretty much yes :)

[@amantebriandarlu.1325]

What about Mobile Legends?😦

[@dazlking]

Brian Amante it's just a pinoy player from dota making a "remake" of those moba into mobile. Thats why some of mobile legends ability's icon is same as Dota 2 have.

[@tbroo2368]

eliezer To me it feels more like league than DoTa because most characters look almost identical to lol characters. And I heard some where the company that created mobile legends is owned by or is the company that currently owns Riot.

[@ranjanmg1]

Beautiful video!! Thanks to you and the entire community!! :)

[@0luckyluca0]

completely disregarding Heroes of Newerth, the first true succesor of DotA. Ok

[@TZJinzo]

Quite a few people have made this comment so I feel the need to respond. HoN was a decent game for the first year or so of it's release while it still had Icefrog's input. Since the beta, it has been on a downhill slope and became nothing but a money grabbing machine with some of the worst design/marketing choices in video game history. As of today, in my opinion, there are zero redeeming features about that game. No selling point, no purpose, and an insult to Dota. This is my opinion, and I will eventually make a video on 'The Failure of HoN'. So yes, I will disregard HoN, and will continue to do so indefinitely.

[@cameronbreeze4029]

Merits of the game as it is now aside, those 1-2 years of HoN is somewhat relevant to dota history in my opinion, many people consider it to be a sort of dota 1.5

[@0luckyluca0]

What cameron said. The fact that it once was a 1 to 1 copy of dota just with its own client and matchmaking/ranking and that icefrog helped them makes it worth mentioning. Doesnt matter what s2 did to it afterwards. Btw how is it moneygrabbing. It has the fairest free to play model possible. Im not even playing it anymore i just feel like ur being very unreasonable here

[@helrouis]

Umm even so, you should mention it? It used to have a lot of players. I'm guessing it's because you don't live in Asia. It became quite popular here. And up to now, it still is very friendly to low end PCs and there's a good number of people -- enough to find a match every 2-5 minutes.

[@sibu1234567]

I agree with most of what you've said, but you have to at least mention it even as a "BURN/insult/whatever you wanna call it" in your video to at least inform/educate your viewers on how bad of a game it became. Who knows, your bitching about how bad HoN became might actually spark some sense in FrostBurn, the current team working on HoN haha. I still play it for that "loyalty" to the first moba I've gotten serious on. But you know do it for the education purpose not avoid it just because it was a badly marketed/designed game. Frankly I think the only selling point that I actually see is the graphics and fluidity of the game's mechanics. As a long playing player (Or whatever you wanna call it, I'd dare say that I very much prefer the game's graphics as to DotA and LoL, looks less "cartoonish". Last hitting animations are also more fluid from what I see. That's about it though haha. * copy and pasting from previous comment* Cause HoN was such a huge failure that no one ever mentions the game. I bet he didn't even know there existed a game call HoN cause now it's HoT (Heroes of Thailand not HOTS). Initially you gotta pay to even play a game that could'a been free which everyone else played. No one wanted to move to a new game and pay what 30 bucks for it. Bad marketing. F2P heroes unlocking system too, only after LoL had seen success in that business model, that they decided to follow suit. Without thinking yet again, who'd play a game no one heard of when everyone else either plays DotA or LoL. The issues here and there about server instability and their compensations too were handled badly i.e; X2 matchmaking in game credit bonus as a compensation for servers being down and people disconnecting randomly. X2 matchmaking lasting 24h had the servers ironically, unstable most of the time too without compensations for the compensation. (Not sure about HoN's early attempt to pull players in since I played around a year later when it was F2P) By the time DotA 2 came out, the hype around it meant many people transferring over to the new game for a joyride. Some players would have been pulled towards this new game like LoL, yet again. Of course the earlier versions of DotA 2 was a paid game. However, Valve did good on marketing and allowed registered beta testers to get a free copy of the game, as well as occasionally, giving a free "key" to the current players to be gifted to their friends. Meaning anyone who knew a player of DotA 2 could potentially access the game for free. This gave value(Since you'd would'a paid like 20 bucks to play) to playing DotA 2. Just like how someone who receives a free antique painting (That everyone else finds value in/wants) would treasure and use/view that antique painting. In response to this marketing tactic, HoN did nothing to allure their players in staying. Not to mention that many people started quitting due to a toxic community( just like every other competitive games). HoN had no commending system or whatnot to "advertise" a person's friendliness nor backlash for "unfriendly" behaviour until later in the game. Players with reports unless convicted, would not be punished for their behaviour unlike DotA's 2 system where you'd get low priority queues with too many reports. Too late into the game where HoN also introduced cooldown for abandoning games, since they could always get players to pay to reset their K/D/A and "Leave percentage" which having one too high would mean being unable to play matchmaking and earn in game credits unless the said reset (Which costs roughly $15 USD depending on your currency) or playing enough public games to lower your overall percentage. Of course this meant that "rich" players could abuse this system to keep resetting their leave percentages and K/D/A. Also implying that players which cause disruption and have frequent abandons would be able to have a clean slate with simply paying $15 USD. I can't speak much for LoL since I've never actually played the game, but I strongly believe these reasons and examples of HoN's bad marketing and business models that led to the game's slow and sad death

[@abuhasanabdmanan7450]

Always enjoy yr video..strong narrative..good job

[@kris4051]

so pretty much league copied dota :D

[@elgritton]

basically nobody copies nothing. Its an accumulated ideas of different mod creators. From Euls to Ginzoo to Icefrog and other unsung developers. They just go their separate ways to create new MOBA because of money. They cant monetise from Dota coz it has the engine of Warcraft 3 which is copyrighted. LoL and Dota 2 fans are fighting while they are getting richer LUL

[@myosotis8856]

Yup.

[@AgentM666]

rot in hell

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

war

[@lieutenantjoker2957]

+MEH GOOSTAAAH And did a better job at it ;D

[@greenwolfx]

Thank you for creating this video and to the warcraft mod'ers who helped create dota and the community.... Thank you 💝

[@paragbhatt84]

thanks for putting this together. Please don't mind me sharing it.

[@gihantharatnayake3411]

ive been watching your videos for the last 2 weeks and this is the one that made me want to sub.keep up the good work

[@SaladFarsi]

Dota 1 never gets old.It seemed trying something new very time I played it.

[@ferofax]

...so glad you went all the way back to AoS. Hands up for people who've played that original map! Yep, that's where I started. :P

[@amaanmohammed6131]

your channel deserves more popularity.

[@georgeangelis5831]

Really miss that classic Dota UI. Thanks for the video!

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after watching these 3 dota videos you have my support, subscribed! thank you!

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I started from 6.4X All Star in 2007-08. THANK YOU TO ALL DEVELOPERS.

[@codenamed22]

I have been following your channel for about a week now, and i feel that yours is one of the best channels in this genre, :) Keep up the good work!

[@TZJinzo]

thanks! better stuff to come :)

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Your videos are amazing! You need subscribers. People need to see your content

[@TZJinzo]

lets hope over time they will :)

[@syakirazmi5038]

Thanks so much for making this. I always wondered how it all started

[@nTu4Ka]

I have a feeling you're mistaken. I played W3 at the time of release. Before DotA appeared there were pretty popular Hero Arenas (I may be mistaken in name) where you select a hero, farm creeps, purchase items and fight other heroes. It was pretty fun and satisfying. No lanes just arena with areas but with champ select at the beginning. Then DotA appeared as an evolution of Hero Arena and people went to it because it offered more strategy. Apart from champ select there were item crafting which is common MOBA feature.

[@DokukuDreams]

Only been playing dota for a couple of years now, but I absolutely love it and play every day. Really cool to understand the history, was too busy playing D2/WoW and totally missed out on all of this!

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Just watched and discovered the channel. I liked and subscribed. More power to you!

[@Amy-ox9gj]

Great video. I somehow knew it was going to be huge when I was playing it on warcraft. The concept was just so much fun to play. Good to know the creators made alot of money.

[@slim611]

Well done on this video, TZJinzo. Keep them coming.