Hey! Great video! Especially the 3D diagrams. Thanks for the shout out! :)
@keiyolinee233series82 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay Foreman, your video are also great
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks, that really means a lot! I'm a huge Unfinished London fan.
@nicolasblume10462 жыл бұрын
2:06 having cross platform interchanges wherever possible was such a big achievement! Sad that they dont do this anymore
@TransportGeekery2 жыл бұрын
The prevailing orthodoxy now is to make interchange long and tedious as a means of providing a buffer for passenger flow (hence the long corridors in the new layout at king’s cross). I guess the transport system is a victim of its own success.
@Nooticus2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Its very Very cumbersome. The Victoria line is truly the best for this reason
@lzh49502 жыл бұрын
On the flip side having cross-platform interchanges also meant the Victoria line had to use smaller & older tunnels & platforms previously used by older deep level Tube lines, imposing more constraints on its loading gauge
@grassytramtracks10 ай бұрын
The Victoria line has many shortfalls (often only one entrance/exit, not enough escalators, drab stations, just lack of capacity) but it's a shame that cross platform interchanges are not the thing at the moment
@nicolasblume104610 ай бұрын
@@grassytramtracks the problem of not enough entrances can be fixed (and has already happened at key stations like King-cross or Victoria). But the alignment of tunnels can mostly not be fixed later
@MarkWaller22 жыл бұрын
Many thanks - I think this is the first time I've seen a really clear explanation of how Finsbury Park Underground station has developed. I look forward to more like this.
@simonwstrong2 жыл бұрын
Great video with fantastic graphics ! I travelled through Finsbury Park almost every working day for 29 years, but never realised its history was so complex.
@rbrwr2 жыл бұрын
I'd forgotten I'd done that Northern Heights graphic. It was quite a surprise to see it pop up! The 3D plans of Finsbury Park were great and improved my understanding of how the tube platforms relate to the station above.
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Interesting to hear from the person who made the graphic- I hope I've cited the image properly as I'm keen to give proper credit when people are kind enough to publish under a CC licence.
@francesconicoletti25472 жыл бұрын
It’s not often a London piece of rail infrastructure ends up being used for its original purpose after multiple go rounds. It usually gets down graded to a tram line or light rail. Nice to see all that work being put to its full potential. Also interesting to see that there is not a well maintained , generally accessible map of the underground features of London. Something that I would have assumed just existed.
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
There is a general map of the larger features - water / sewer / electric / gas, Developers are encouraged to re-survey and update any maps they have with their own surveys - cable companies did a lot of digging back in the 1990s for example at a rate faster than the paperwork was always completed to
@MadBiker-vj5qj2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of how the tunnel layout and usage evolved.
@terribleatgames-rippedoff2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed for the diagrams. I love how the changes in the underground is presented in such detail.
@TransportGeekery2 жыл бұрын
Great visuals. Can’t believe the piling incident, and I even lived in London at the time! Would make an interesting video in itself
@greek92442 жыл бұрын
I use Finsbury Park station so often, thanks for making this video it’s very interesting
@Nooticus2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal video. As someone who is a huge nerd about the Northern City Line and a local commuter on it, this video is absolutely exceptional, the diagrams are SO GREAT! keep up the amazing work legend!
@nature_people2 жыл бұрын
"huge nerd" 😂
@Nooticus2 жыл бұрын
@@nature_people what lol? i am
@nature_people2 жыл бұрын
@@Nooticus Me too, but it`s just funny.
@vidiia2 жыл бұрын
3:15 i love this obscure little line, and i love these dirty, desolate tunnels at old street. really feels like they're stuck in time.
@Ro992 жыл бұрын
Very nice videos. Absolutely love those 3D diagrams. Phenomenal stuff
@JP_TaVeryMuch5 ай бұрын
3:00 I wonder if in seventy years time, some commuter services into Paddington might make use of the mainline train sized Elizabeth Line tunnels to finally give everyone who lives west of Pad and works in the City, what we've all been dreaming of. A direct service from Exeter St. David's to Liverpool Street.
@MichaelTavares2 жыл бұрын
I love it. Brilliant content, amazing visuals. Keep it up!
@Okles152 жыл бұрын
Loving your 3D diagrams. Keep up the good work, you have a of potential! :)
@isbsp2 жыл бұрын
please keep doing videos like this this is beautiful
@nature_people2 жыл бұрын
Great job, both at narrating and visuals. Thank you.
@winkiipinkii2 жыл бұрын
I've been to Essex Road off peak twice, I don't know why but I have. It really is a time capsule for a bygone age
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Indeed, it's a very surreal experience
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
@@distractionbucket7454 For a while the Weekend service was not operated, made getting to that bit of north london a bit tricky, there used to be transport collectors sales at Islington Town Hall and the station was handy for that
@nickbarber20802 жыл бұрын
Very well-made video,especially the graphics.
@asantaraliner2 жыл бұрын
I have never thought the ending of this video was shocking.
@geoffreycoan2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting and well explained. Super diagrams as well
@mdhazeldine2 жыл бұрын
Yikes. I never knew about that drill incident. That must've been a bad day for the developer!
@1258-Eckhart2 жыл бұрын
Your diagrams are excellent, and this is a good potted history of London's spookiest railway. I do hope it will be continued - what happened to the building site and the piles? Also please speak more slowly, nobody here is getting charged by the minute.
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I'm still learning how to do a proper narrator voice!
@1258-Eckhart2 жыл бұрын
@@distractionbucket7454 Just s-l-o-w d-o-w-n mate, everything else is already ok. PS: YT just asked me for feedback on this video and I gave you five stars and max. praise ...
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
Not certain what happened to the building site. It was an unusual bit of a land transaction. The Railway owned ALL the rights below surface level, but never as such bought the surface of the land nor the land itself - normally a clear wayleave is drawn up but this bit was a different in the original transaction.. Somehow the land ended up with Islington? council, whom then did a general sell off of surplus bits they owned to raise money in one of the central govt cutbacks of funding. The purchasors never checked which land title they had actually bought (as the language of who owned what was written in a legalease that predated even the 1924 Land Act legislation), and then submitted a planning application, which was passed as the above ground only mattered as to what it looked like, and the below ground of course fell to the owner of such rights to object despite planning permission (which does not override other legal rights) . I never followed up what did happen above ground - I suppose it is/was possible to build a supporting raft which is supported on adjoining land below ground clear of the tunnel areas. The land itself for many years was a public highway, then the road junction was re-modelled and it became a sort of garden area then the land as stated was sold off
@ib9rt2 жыл бұрын
@@distractionbucket7454 Please don't slow down. You are speaking at a normal speed, and there is no reason to speak artificially slowly just because you are narrating.
@TigerTailsTV2 жыл бұрын
@@ib9rt Completely agree. Seemed like a perfectly good speed to me. If anyone else is having issues, turn the subtitles on. Problem solved.
@the1gip2 жыл бұрын
Oo, this was really, really good. Your diagrams are the best. You can afford to go a bit slower when describing them though as I had to rewind a couple of times to take it in. But this was excellent stuff.
@Fm_10552 жыл бұрын
Yay you’re back
@uingaeoc39052 жыл бұрын
Give it back to TfL. The only sensible option is to get some extended lines from the north to Finsbury Park and then connect Moorgate to the W'loo City Line at Bank, open platforms at Blackfriars and then at Waterloo continue the line via Elephant as the previously suggested Bakerloo Extension to Lewisham - that is really good way to connect important nodes between north and South East London.
@vovinio20122 жыл бұрын
W`loo&City platforms at Bank were dug at the same level as the Central line tunnels. Extension to the north is impossible.
@uingaeoc39052 жыл бұрын
@@vovinio2012 Only at platform level.
@marktownend80652 жыл бұрын
Far more likely is that the inner suburban tier of service on the East Coast Main Line and the Hertford Loop will be transfered to TfL management as part of the 'London Overground' network. This happened to a range of services operating out of Liverpool Street, and has been suggested for other service groups at various termini around London.
@peaxn2 жыл бұрын
local station of mine excellent vid
@theweekthatis2 жыл бұрын
Such a good video!
@Andrewjg_892 жыл бұрын
Finsbury Park does get very busy especially when Arsenal play at home. Still it’s a good station to swap between Underground and National Rail.
@GustavSvard2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video like this about the other end of this line: Moorgate. including 3d graphics! and showing how come they built it so this line goes no further than Moorgate even after all these years.
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
Next stop I think is the vaults of the Bank of England, and the Corporation of London tended to be a bit awkward, it might have been tricky to get parliamentary approval for a duplication of a line say to London Bridge and south as it might have been deemed the existing SECR route into Cannon Street and the City and South London Railway ( with whom there must have been an agreement to share at least Moorgate ) were sufficient. Additionally the Met had Moorgate area already on its books so a joint station there would be able to sell tickets via Widened Lines or Northern City Line,
@jaystonn2 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting 💫
@hesterclapp97172 жыл бұрын
Can you do London Bridge next?
@GT670DN2 жыл бұрын
I still wonder how ìt could happen to not know of the tunnels and therefore drill in. Don't british engineers look at civilian maps from time to time?
@trentr97622 жыл бұрын
they do, but its likely that the maps they where using didnt have the line on it, mistakes happen and thankfully they drill was noticed
@ohpurpled2 жыл бұрын
While this case is especially dumb and avoidable, in general there are a lot of tunnels - mostly fairly old now - under London and we don't entirely know where they all are, even for some active ones
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
Was given to the folk without knowledge at the architects, and the legal purchasing team
@JamesPetts2 жыл бұрын
1980s branding, not 1970s. The platforms were refurbished circa 1987 and have Network SouthEast branding. Network SouthEast was created in 1986.
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I should have checked that- I assumed it dated from when the line was handed over to BR
@highpath47762 жыл бұрын
@@distractionbucket7454 I dont think I recall what was on the platforms before network south east got branded everywhere. I assume LT roundels were removed , but there was quite an period of almost out of use - have some detail somewhere- probably the Connor and Butler magazines have a bit of detail
@mister_M.2 жыл бұрын
See you in another 5 months for next video
@1973Washu2 жыл бұрын
You can't possibly critisize the long term plans of National Rail & TfL, because there isn't one.
@Lisbonized Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH7Cfqqjfrqlj5o is a great video by the Hidden London team exploring the old tunnels mentioned in this video!
@michaeltajfel2 жыл бұрын
You don't mention the February 1976 Moorgate disaster, the worst peacetime accident on the Underground. A train failed to brake at the end of the line.
@distractionbucket74542 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I might have to do a follow up at some point- had meant to focus on Finsbury Park for this video but there's a few other interesting points about the line and the other stations to mention.
@melbjohn2 жыл бұрын
@@distractionbucket7454 I'm led to believe (perhaps incorrectly) that the railway switched from being a tube line to a normal railway in large part due to the accident. If so it does have relevance to your story.
@jamesbutler6253 Жыл бұрын
Love it... But please slow down with your talking.
@roznyugi53382 жыл бұрын
Great northern
@featherwheels9652 Жыл бұрын
You sound so much like jago Hazzard wtf
@LiveFromLondon22 жыл бұрын
Your voice sounds familiar, and if it is you, then this is not anywhere near the level of your usual output. This needs tidying up. With a yard broom. By the end of it id forgotten what it was meant to be about.