The History Of Melbourne Trains!

[@spiralpython1989]

The red rattlers were the best school run trains... on my (belgrave/lilydale) line in the 80s the red rattlers were pretty much overrun by schoolkids and school bags... and many romances began on red rattlers... No train comes close 😎

[@giddy1337]

A Sydney train in Melbourne?! That’s rare! Well done. I’ll give this video a 👍🏻

[@the_train_man]

Thanks very much! Very interesting experiment that failed miserably

[@ChasingDragons420]

I was under the impression that the Harris units had been converted to H type carriages for V/lines fleet. Great video by the way!

[@citybeatdisco19]

Very few (in comparison to total number) Harris were converted to H cars for Vline use - about 53. 373 Harris scrapped (of a total of 436), & over 200 were buried at various site at Clayton. There's a list of the converted from Harris to H cars on vigsig (did put link, but my comment vanished) Haven't found any other info re what numbers got scapped; & to carriages cemetery at sites in Clayton

[@robbiewales3007]

A couple of Harris motor units were kept to run as a rail greaser train. These are now stored out of service in Newport. Quite a few of the Harris trailers were converted into country passenger carriages and classed as the H class carriages or H sets.

[@Alexander_Dunn]

I think you should do a separate video for each type of train! One for the swing doors, one for the taits, etc. Like include extra info about them and when they were ordered, in service, yk, This is just an idea, but yeah.

[@careyisapighehe]

Nice to see a young man interested in the train history of Melbourne. Great video!! PS Which ones are your favourite???!

[@the_train_man]

Haha, thanks for the comment, I am very excited about the new HCMT trains, cannot wait, however my curreny favourite are the Siemens, but I would have loved a ride on the train that came before my time. Thanks Carey

[@brodster7042]

Mine are the Comengs and Siemens

[@Charles-SG]

My favourite are coming and xtrapolis

[@jiansun9545]

comengs and hitach

[@GlennRosbrook]

My fav is every train

[@TrueBelievers]

Very informative. Good job ;)

[@diegobalzarini1994]

I'm mesmerized by your knowledge. Thanks for sharing

[@the_train_man]

Haha thanks Diego! Happy to share any time, make sure to look out for my other videos!

[@captaccordion]

Keep up the good work young fella. I rode the red Taits at your age. I loved the art in the pressed metal ceilings and the brass fittings. The window glass was non-safety, and I once witnessed one shattering due to the vacuum created by 2 trains passing.

[@the_train_man]

Amazing Peter thanks very much for the support, and for sharing your story of the shattered window, how scary that may have been!

[@captaccordion]

@@the_train_man For another snippet of trivia, the single headlight of a Tait or Harris always looked quite yellow when one approached at night. The headlight bowl was brass, and when new it was silvered, so that the light was white. But over the years, the silvering fell off, leaving brass, and making the light yellow. Resilvering the lights never seemed to be a priority. Look out for this in photos. You'll see the occasional new silver looking headlight, but most will look yellow.

[@the_train_man]

Now that is something I didn't know, so fascinating Peter, I will ensure to look for this in photos from now on, facts like these should be more easily accessible, and that is one of my goals to my videos!

[@pauloconnor2980]

The Hitachi trains were built in Victoria. Hitachi Japan supplied the electric equipment, hence the name The body shells were built at Bayswater and transported to Somerton for fitting out on temporary bogies between match wagons. Hope this helps.

[@lukem280]

My Dad worked on the diffs for these trains at Mack trucks. The axles were too wide for our tracks so he had the job of pulling them apart so they could be shortened and then reassembled

[@pauloconnor2980]

Peter J. Vincent has a photo of some Hitachi M-car body shells passing the MCG (Ponsford stand still extant). The usual consist was: T-Class diesel electric, ZL van (braking), QR flatcar (match wagon),body shell, QR flatcar, body shell, QR flatcar, ZL van.

[@Seapin1]

Check out the steam rail museum in Champion Rd, Newport, sometime. Not just working steam engines, but old red carriages to look through. Go on an open day. I love hearing the chuff, chuff & toots all day long from my house when they're running.

[@Andres33AU]

I have a bit of a soft spot for the Hitachi trains, and I had no idea about that awesome burger place until I saw this video! I'll definitely have to check out Easy's at some point. Thanks for the great video!

[@KSwenson]

When I was little my mother pushed a double pram with my younger brother and sister who were twins. The swing door and Tait sliding doors were too narrow for the pram to fit in the carriage so we always had to ride in the guards van because it was the only door wide enough for us to board the train. It was a real thrill climbing up onto the little seat and looking out the tiny window near the roof. It was an experience many other kids missed out on. I will always love the old red trains.

[@justanaturalcarguy4031]

The Hitachis the Taits and the Comengs were my all time favourite, sad the Comengs will be retired soon, its signature RVB 3 Chime horn will always ring in my heart

[@jamestulk5111]

The swing doors had running boards, a design feature absent from the Taits.

[@the_train_man]

Thanks for the information, lots of little differences it seems!

[@dieseldavetrains8988]

I found an Hitachi 66M power car in the bush at an isolated property at Bumberry NSW last year. Still in excellent condition. Long way from home.

[@alanriley9754]

Many years spent riding in the Tait carriages. The single slide doors were often left open in the summer months. Same with the double doors of the Harris carriages. The Hitachi carriages also same until latter years.

[@jimpikoulis6726]

With the Hitachi trains they were but here in Somerton and at Newport Workshops Comeng supplied the electrics, body works by Martin & King in Somerton, fit-out and trailers done at Newport Workshops. HCMT will relegated the Comeng trains from the Dandenong line for use on other lines of the network. Comeng trains have undergone electrical upgrades to extend their service life by about 10 or so years and this will be the last major upgrade before retirement. Good work btw

[@the_train_man]

Thank you for all this extra information, I hope you enjoyed!

[@AlwaysThinkingPositive]

I use to love the red rattles..

[@the_train_man]

I have sadly never ridden one before, how bad of me to be called The Train Man and not have ridden on a Red Rattler! Hopefully I have the opportunity one day.

[@snuggles03]

@@the_train_man the red rattlers were so much fun, they even had a smoking carriage at the back of the train. Australia has changed a lot

[@spiritangel1367]

@@snuggles03 Yeah, those Red Rattlers were awesome. I actually miss them. Could u imagine, if there was one on the lines now..!? Unfortunately not "THESE" days..!! It's like the "world" is in such a rush. Plus the " government" is always upgrading. I don't like how quick things r changing. So many things. I'm so stoked to have come across this video. Ah the memories & the good ol' times..!!

[@dieseldavetrains8988]

I loved the Tait sets and Harris cars, they had real railway character about them. Still remember the Hitachi's coming into service brand new with the bone hard seats. Great video, well made and good information. Much appreciated and thank you.

[@hugocortes3680]

GREAT VIDEO! LOVED IT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING AMIGO!!

[@the_train_man]

No worries Amigo haha :) glad you enjoyed

[@anthonyducat1093]

From my childhood I remember the early Comengs being advertised as "Supertrains". Not really sure what made them "Super"; due to signalling and track capacity they couldn't run any faster than the Hitachis, Harrises or Taits, however they did have air-con (at the expense of the openable sliding windows of the older models) and cloth seat coverings in place of the bum-burning vinyl of the Harrises and earlier Hitachis.

[@berniedrebing]

I enjoy watching your videos about Melbourne train history. Keep up the good work.

[@the_train_man]

Thank you Bernie! I appreciate the support and great to hear you enjoy the videos!

[@brucewilliams8714]

That was great. I remember summer travel with the sliding doors wide open. That was 1950s aircon!

[@the_train_man]

Haha Bruce! That must have been very fun, wish I could’ve done that! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@noelroberts8199]

You do such a good job of explaining our Melbourne trains and their history. I've ridden Red Rattlers, cold, drafty, loud and not a very comfortable ride..........................

[@SirRossco77]

I remember riding the 4D trains before and after school. They were pretty good at the time. I’m also looking forward to riding the new trains as well.

[@the_train_man]

The new trains are truly awesome, great stuff indeed. Sad I missed out on the 4Ds, but Sydney gives a taste of what it would've been like :)

[@stevedalton2038]

Great to see a young bloke with an interest in the Melbourne Network. Very informative. Well done!!!

[@robvegas9354]

When other trains like the Comengs had air conditioning problems on a hot day over 30 they would fire up the entire fleet of the Hitachis in peak hour and you could hear everyone groan when one pulled into flinders street. Nothing like a packed peak hour trip home trip home in one of those. Good times!

[@richardleonard2946]

The Siemens trains brakes problem occurred while the Middleborough Rd Level crossing was being removed in January 2007. Construction schedule was altered to fast-track (ha! pun!) the building of one track (without overhead power) through from Box Hill to Blackburn so 6 diesel locos could be brought through to Ringwood to take 6 x 6 carriage Comeng trains to the city to partly offset the shortfall of Siemens trains out of action. This resulted in the major works of the Middleborough Rd crossing removal being completed in 4 weeks instead of 6. Fantastic effort.

[@Seapin1]

I liked the red rattlers. Sliding windows, ash trays & beautiful ornate luggage racks. I heard that some kids dared to jump out of the moving train into the Yarra just before Richmond.

[@WickedFizz999]

the x'trapolis one is the only one i've ever been. Also never left platform 1 at Flinders St. Can't wait for the HCMT

[@alanhughes1262]

Amazing i use to ride the red rattlers then all the others i would be happy on a red rattler the seats were super comfy.

[@lalanthiperera7141]

I never knew Melbourne had a double deck train! :O

[@ianwoff7000]

I don't remember the Swing-doors, but my daily secondary school commute from 1971 to 1975 on the Lilydale line was done on Taits, Harrises, and even Hitachis, later in the piece. My favourite? The Taits, hands down - lovely old things, full of character, with deep, comfortable seats and heaps of doors that could be delightfully left open in warm weather. When I think of Melbourne trains, I think of Taits!

[@the_train_man]

Very jealous of your experiences with the Tait's and Harris's, hope I can ride them in my lifetime, on a vintage service!

[@ianwoff7000]

@@the_train_man The Harrises were pretty ordinary, but nevertheless preferable to what's come since. The Taits were wonderful, with each door opening into a notional compartment with seats each side and an aisle down the middle leading to the next notional compartment. I forget whether it was two or three people to each seat, but things were much more separated than in contemporary Melbourne suburban trains, which are very open by comparison.

[@MATT-xv4bh]

Good job there. Interesting history and analysis.

[@snuggles03]

That was a great history lesson, thanks mate

[@MrAustruck]

the vic rail parcel vans used to run around, Vic Rail had a parcel delivery network, I remember when a lady and two kids died crossing the bridge over merric creek near Rushall when two parcel vans came across eachway, May have been a story mum told us to keep us off the bridge

[@darly63]

Excellent commentary on a valuable part of Melbourne's history. Well written & presented, interesting and relevant - thankyou!

[@the_train_man]

Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it so much, especially when I know I can make this a lot better!

[@robbbertedwards4107]

I had a dream I was travelling on a tait last night. It was glorious travelling from the city to Frankston . Hanging out the open windows and doors, playing chicken with the posts and giving brown eyes to motorists while going through crossings. Best of all you could smoke if you chose to.

[@the_train_man]

What a great dream, I am sure you may have experienced that when you were younger, but to me, it is all a dream! I hope I can experience something similar on a vintage service one day, minus the smoking of course!

[@davidau8455]

What a brilliant young superstar in his enthusiasm for his subject, and presentation. I was so impressed. Keep it happening buddy, and keep well, and keep yourself safe.

[@the_train_man]

Wow, thank you for your kind words, I appreciate the support a lot! Hope to hear from you in the future!

[@SuperTeddy-fm5gw]

Your video is amazing the history of Melbourne trains is an interesting one because they have gone though so many different changes thoughout the years it's see every train piled up into one video awesome work

[@ozdazz]

Great video, I had no idea Melbourne had double decker trains before (I lived interstate then).

[@the_train_man]

It is such an unknown fact about Melbourne's Trains! This is due to their ultimate failure haha, more suited to Sydney! Hope you liked the video!

[@centredoorplugsthornton4112]

I thought the 4D was just on loan from Sydney. Problems might have been from being re bogied for 5 ft 3 in gauge track.

[@aspiewithattitude3213]

Back in 2001, I once rode on the Melbourne 4D double decker train, went straight to Tullamarine, flew to Sydney only 2-3 hours after riding the Melbourne 4D, I was straight on the Sydney Tangara.

[@the_train_man]

That’s cool riding on double decker train two cities in a row, I do think they suit Sydney better though. Hope you enjoyed!

[@aspiewithattitude3213]

Except I had a Melbourne tram, a Skybus and an Ansett Boeing 737 in between the Melbourne 4D and a Sydney Tangara. I think I am the only person on this planet who took a double decker train journey like this.

[@aspiewithattitude3213]

And I also enjoyed your videos, when the Melbourne 4D units were in active service, I was heavily into trains and was also into model trains too. Got bored of trains after when the 4D was decommissioned for good.

[@Brick-Life]

my fav trins are the siemens as they look the most like a real metro train

[@Techno-Universal]

Also the swing door units were only in service on a short test section of a line until a few years before the Tait trains entered service when the first line on the network was electrified! :)

[@cameronwhyte7223]

Very good. I have ridden in all of them bar the swing door. I'm not counting the high capacity one yet. I have been told I rode in a tait in service, but would have been a very long time ago. They were withdrawn when I was about 3 or 4. I rode in the restored tait uder it's own power in 95 and 96, and between 2 steam locos in 17.

[@the_train_man]

Very cool Cameron, I am jealous of you Tait experiences, i can say I have ridden on only 4 of the trains in this video, very sad indeed!

[@FloydBromley]

Some slight corrections: swing doors were never built to be electric trains, rather steam hauled carriages. Taits on the other hand were built to be electric, even though they were steam hauled at first. Taits were electrified first, then swing doors (using the same electrical equipment) were later when extra capacity was needed. Swing door is a very generic name as well. Many previous suburban steam carriages also had swinging doors. Ask taits did run through the city loop, but not for long before they were banned. But there were few left in service by that point. More differences between Tait and swing doors include the fact that the interior was compartments with no connections between them (only a door on each side) for the swing doors, whereas taits had passageways between rows (hence their original “P” class carriages). The differences in length and width depended on the original carriage that the individual swing door carriage was converted from. Only one Harris train was named the greaser - because it greased the overhead wires. There was only one 4D train, and it looked similar to the Tangara trains in Sydney but were narrower. Electrically they were basically a Comeng.

[@Grillcrasher]

I remember that 4D on the Belgrave/Lilydale line. Am I correct in thinking that was the only line they were testing it out on?

[@FloydBromley]

@@Grillcrasher that was certainly the main one although I think it might have run on Pakenham/Cranbourne as well.

[@Grillcrasher]

@@FloydBromley Thank You! That's interesting. :-)

[@mattmcfarland9154]

It is quite interesting going back in time on melbournes train and rail histery . I was bourne and lived in melbourne in the 70s 80s and i remember the red taits very well and there were two in our school yard at the eastern burwood blind school RVIB that we use to play in ,about late 70s but were dismantled in 82 for scrap what a shame and i also remember hearing of the blue harris trains when they were going to be decomissioned because of the asbestos

[@the_train_man]

Thank you for sharing your storing Matt, how amazing it would have been to have Red Taits at your school. What a shame they were scrapped, It would have been sad to hear about the Harris trains. Thanks again!

[@smedley53]

Great video, and very heartening to see a young person so interested in trains. When I was a kid in the 1950s the suburban rains still had first and second class carriages, and the old dog boxes retained the original gas light fittings. In the 1960s my High School would charter a whole train to travel from Hampton to Richmond, from where we would walk to the Olympic Pool for a swimming carnival. The train was always a Dog Box, and the kids would change compartments by getting out onto the running board while the train was moving, Maybe I shouldn't have told you that :-) Keep up the good work, I have subscribed and will look forward to your next presentation.

[@the_train_man]

Hehe, thanks very much Steve, what a very (cheeky) great story! Such a different time you grew up in, the only bad thing I witnessed when I was younger was a few drunk guys after the footy crossing the tracks at Richmond! Thanks very much for sharing, I always love hearing people's childhood stories :)

[@johno01970]

Thanks for the video... well done!

[@spiritangel1367]

Blast from the past. WoW. That was pretty cool. 👌

[@rogerhorand3089]

Such an excellent history of the Melbourne trains. Thank you, and well done!!!

[@the_train_man]

Thank you very much Roger, Glad you enjoyed it!

[@darrenmiles-morland8038]

I couldn't help but notice that the chest of drawers at the end of the video looks exactly like the set in my own bedroom. It's great to have heard about the history of Melbourne's trains. I didn't know that the Harris trains had been buried in a tip near Clayton. I live not too far from there, and would be able to locate the site easily enough.

[@the_train_man]

Haha Darren, sorry to have not gotten back to you, I don’t know where I got the chest of drawers, but funny they look the same as yours! I hope you enjoyed the video, and interesting you might live near the tip site!

[@mvnorsel6354]

I remember the posters for the Mt Buffalo chalet in the red rattlers. That's way back when it used to snow.

[@the_train_man]

I actually saw these when looking through old VR newletters from 40ish years ago, how interesting!

[@Seapin1]

You should look out for Steamrail day - I'm not sure what it's called. I was lucky enough to catch a steam train complete with old red carriages from Flinders St back to Newport a few years ago. It was grouse!

[@kurvaceous]

Some Harris cars continued to run for a few more years as grey ghosts until 1991 and one grey ghost and blue Harris car is at the Newport railway museum as well as a tait and hitachi

[@joshuanewton]

The V/Line H-Set carriages are rebuilt Harris coaches

[@magnetshowdotheywork]

The last ones showcased bared a striking resemblance to the B-Series trains in service here in Perth.

[@johnd8892]

Lots of refurbished Harris non motor carriages still in service with V/Line as H sets.

[@Emily-the_funny_guys]

Very awesome video Max

[@Jaiysful]

Holy moly never knew there were so much going on between the de versions of trains. Thanks for the research and ur vid is very well written. Subbed

[@christopherfrick9556]

So much knowledge awesome video them trains are so nice

[@DavidMillsom]

Thanks, really enjoy your videos.

[@Archived.Account-z3c]

Hitachi trains was my first train to ride way back in year 2001 from Frankston to Flinders Street Station. ☺️

[@the_train_man]

That's awesome, I have a few memories of the Hitachti, glad you made some too!

[@sammy_dog]

i soooooooo miss riding the old doggies and red rattlers leaning out the open doors on my way to and from school i remember getting home from the city one day watching the 6:30 news there was a big crash near Richmond they had a crew there filming the scene when i saw a rattler in the background with a little me leaning out the door

[@laurabrough3575]

Thanks. Helped me with a uni assignment :)

[@bennythepooh4905]

Very good young man.

[@tomspathis243]

Love your videos bro keep up the good work

[@the_train_man]

Glad you enjoy Tom!

[@victorianrichard8097]

Very informative and good job thanks for introducing Melbourne train history

[@the_train_man]

Glad I could teach you something!

[@neilmansfield8329]

These are good informational videos. Looking forward to the next one

[@the_train_man]

Glad you think so Neil, thank you!

[@jamesmarchetti3305]

There’s an Airbnb near Ballarat where you stay in a Red Rattler, you should check it out

[@the_train_man]

When I do a Ballarat video, I will definitely check it out, haven't heard of it, but sounds awesome, thanks for the suggestion!

[@NudgeFilms]

Nice video! Didn’t know the new trains were built already! Crazy

[@the_train_man]

Thanks mate, they have been very secretive with the new trains progress, they were supposed to be in service last year, hopefully by the end of this year, they are running over Melbourne, thanks again!

[@citybeatdisco19]

The City Loop opened in Dec 1981 with certain services only, and only Museum Station open. Parliament Station opened in '83, and Flagstaff Station opened in '85. By the way, Queen Elizabeth II opened the open air plaza at (on top of) the Swanston St entrance in 1980 (before any of the loop was open). Wonder what she'd think of her plaza now consumed in a shopping centre. Melbourne Central opened in 1991, with the station name changed from Museum in 1997. Until early 2000s, there were direct escalators to the Station ticketing level (where Coles is), from Swanston St (near corner of Latrobe St).

[@citybeatdisco19]

@Train Man. Your videos are great. & get all necessary info in, in less than, or a, 10 minute videos. Not an easy task to achieve.

[@the_train_man]

legend mate thank you, cheers for the information that I didn't include/ got wrong

[@jessesands4099]

Bought The DVD Suburban Salute A Tribute To The Red Rattlers Taits And Harris Blue Trains Can Highly Recommend It!😀🚇🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️

[@Jordan75577]

i grew up with the comeng trains in the late 90s and they still used today

[@the_train_man]

It's amazing to see them at work even today, great workhorses!

[@RailwaysOfDoom]

Hitachi Train bodies were built by Martin and King in Bayswater. Trailers were fitted out in Newport Workshops. The motors on the other hand were done in Somerton.

[@the_train_man]

Thanks for picking up on my mistake. Interesting how they were built in different locations all over Melbourne, Thanks!

[@robbieberry9700]

I love the videos and I have subscribed

[@the_train_man]

Thanks Robbie, I appreciate the support 😊

[@robertjones9691]

Great channel young man.

[@the_train_man]

Thank you Robert, glad you enjoy :)

[@takotravels]

Great video buddy!

[@marknicholls2803]

Nice work - once again. Congrats.

[@the_train_man]

Thanks Mark, glad to hear you have liked several videos, that commitment is awesome!

[@Helioselpoder]

Really amazing video. NEW sub

[@truefuckingaustralian4571]

Thanks mate I love trains myself and I love you it I’ve subscribed

[@the_train_man]

Thanks Beau

[@johnrauner2515]

This one is really good. And it's one of your first. So not really sure why some of the later ones aren't this good. Pace is good, pronunciation is good.

[@the_train_man]

Thanks John, I think this is a video I took a long time to do as I knew lots of people would see it

[@62tdf]

Great footage mate

[@the_train_man]

Cheers Tim, glad you think so :)

[@michaelbinney6822]

Excellent presentation

[@the_train_man]

Thanks a lot Michael!

[@stevevisscher1350]

Nice work

[@craigalexp]

Never knew we had the double decker for a while. real shame it didn't work out.

[@erikheddergott5514]

Great Video, very informativ.

[@DadSkool]

They still run one of those red trains every sunday in mornington when i lived there in 2010. You could buy a ticket and go to the end of the line and back. Dont see why it would have topped runnig in the last decade. Ill leave it to you to look up. I lived on richardson st and was on the other side of th oval and woke me up every sunday. Also, the new Vline trains are the best and were made in Vicotria, they have a deisel engine and a toilet in each carriage with a top speed of 160km/h. I catch the train rather than drive. It costs $50 in petrol but the train is $5 and i can relax and watch youtube, it even has plugs for your charger. Go for a ride. I havent been past moe though but there are some interesting stops on the way including the history of MOe. Moe used to intersect with the Walhalla line bc there was a gold rush there, a lesser known bendigo. Ive been here 3 months and learning alot about this area and its trains bc ive never caught so many trains in my life but from here trains beat cars every time, except when there is maintenance. You can tell the old vlines though which they sometimes use on the way out, they have a shop inside and a front engine but the new ones have a hidden engine on each carriage and dont have a front one that pulls. They are either 3 or 6 carriages long, depending on the time of day. concession is like $4 from zone 2. go for a ride . Or maybe ill make a video one day i can be bothered to stop at each station bc they have alot of history as this line is as old as any other in victoria

[@TrevsOutbackandGoldAdventures]

Good effort matey.

[@singulover9183]

Really good video!

[@RRAAZZAA]

There’s a hitachi train in the Glen Waverley police academy, well I’m pretty sure, it’s there for PSO training

[@RT_today]

There is, yes a whole mock up station was built there to facilitate the PSO training course.

[@mariyamaseray50]

Those train are interesting in the 90’s for me I wish I can see them in real life

[@the_train_man]

Does anyone know what the white circles with black & red stripes on the front of the Tait Trains mean, thank you!

[@AdmiringSparks]

I think its a simbel for the manufacture or stop and go

[@graemeross9329]

The discs you are discribing on taits were destination discs for the signalmen in the manual lever signal boxes! they were changed at destination end of line station by drivers. Don't Quote this exactly but, from St Albans to Glen Waverley was a black vertical and horizontal cross on white disc, on arrival at Glen Waverley it was changed to a angled black on white cross to designate going to St Albans (the disc was multi positional )this could be the other way around. There were red lights (3 across the top of the cabin and 1 L/H facing frount) that in combination Did the same at night or fog. There were other disc combos but i wasn't familiar with them. Sorry it took so long but i only subscribed last couple of weeks

[@the_train_man]

@@graemeross9329 that is so cool, amazing! I had no idea that it would be that, but now you say it, what a great way of communication! Thank you very much!

[@FloydBromley]

The Train Man don’t get them confused with the plain white “tail discs” either - they were at the end of the train marking that it was indeed the end and the train hadn’t split somewhere without the driver noticing.

[@Kevin-go2dw]

@@graemeross9329 Destination discs - one disk had two parallel lines, black one side, red the other and they could be placed either horizontal or vertical (4 options). A second disc had a black cross on one side, red cross on the other. It could be placed to show an "X" or a "+". (4 options.) Across the top of the cab were three white lights, the combination of which was the destination. Also on the front was a headlight, tail disc (folded when leading, up when trailing) and an emergency (kero?) light. Sometimes other discs were use for special services.

[@AdmiringSparks]

and sometimes you can see random hitachis in sidings and work yards and in the Newport museum

[@the_train_man]

That's cool, I must visit the museum and try and spot one after lock downs!

[@lolamonroe3621]

Awesome Job! I Love Melbourne x

[@the_train_man]

Thanks Lola, appreciate the support.

[@Holland41]

Great work.

[@the_train_man]

Thank you very much, I aporeciate it 🙌

[@mikeyboy26]

Great Vid Train man!

[@the_train_man]

Thanks Blu Hand, glad you liked it!

[@taowang2000]

Trains similar to 4D train is tangara train. It operates in sydney

[@piperalpha5514]

If Sydney has been using the 4D train for so many, why did Melbourne have so many problems that they were scrapped? Excellent video though... especially for someone so young.

[@AdamsCarWashVids]

The reason being it’s because Melbourne wanted their 4D trains to run with the current Comeng set, both coupled electrically and mechanically, in my opinion I honestly think it would’ve been better if they ordered like 20 or 30 sets of them instead of just the one carriage, then we would’ve actually seen double-decker trains in Melbourne, And in SydneyThese are known as the Tangaras sets or T sets, The word “Tangara means “Go” in the local aboriginal language, Because if Melbourne didn’t do what they did with still have them in Melbourne, plus they should’ve brought in flipable seating as well

[@the_train_man]

I think/ hope Adam answered your question Piper, (very well done Adam). Thank you for the comment, I am happy to hear you find it excellent :)