The History of the Kra-Dai (Tai-Kadai) Languages

[@laishrambungo5100]

Love from Northeast India (Manipur) Love you all Tai family ꯌꯥꯏꯐꯔꯦ

[@dreamer_deer]

Khop chau kha (Thank you in Tai Ahom)

[@chickendinner5572]

@@dreamer_deer Wow I’m tai Lao and I understood too east. Very same :)

[@simantabg4430]

❤

[@Twiceeee-f5b]

Meitei d tai family nte

[@Motogpboy-n2o]

Meitei is myanmar stan 😂

[@emmymoobiez]

I'm proud of you for made this video :) 🇱🇦🇹🇭

[@ranagogoi222]

Bro I'm Tai ahom

[@amlans5314]

Although not written in the box, but i guess the westernmost Kra-Dai language is Ahom which is shaded near the Brahmaputra river of NE India. They had a huge empire there until the advent of the British.

[@rayugauzumaki1981]

I am from Tai Ahom community in NE Assam, India

[@rayugauzumaki1981]

@@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ what do you mean by why ??

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

@@rayugauzumaki1981 i mean why is tai ahom and northeastern India is belonging to Indian country . the land it's not even attached with the india country . i think your tai ahom needs to bringing UN for talk . you needs to breaking off from India to be name of your own country . i love you tai brother .

[@rayugauzumaki1981]

@@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ it is attached with India . We are not facing any problem here and also we have freedom do anything we want so why not . If there were any problem we would have done that . And by the way we are happy to be called as Indian

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

@@rayugauzumaki1981 but long ago the idian took your territory . is it ? you said you being happy to be india . but are their indians see your feelings ?? example ! when indians angry at Chinese last time they got an issue then the indians attack your tai peoples . said you were Chinese Chinese . i am so very angry

[@화이팅-t2q]

You're the most underrated mapper. Hope you'll get more views in the future.

[@JcDizon]

Yeah, it's sad that a talented mapper isn't getting the views that he deserves.

[@부엉이역사]

I'm so sad that he gets much lower views than the effort he put into for this masterpiece.

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

Whats ?

[@penki5509]

agree

[@adge5182]

Soo true

[@rosemichaelis9519]

The probability that the Tai-Kradai people are made up from at least two more ethnics is pretty high. The Tày who are an Eastern Tai ethnic live in the Northeast Vietnam have this interesting legend about the creation of themselves. There were two different friends from two different places met. They were hunters and gatherers at first and together they found the rice plant. One day, they were sad to see different tribes just fought and killed each other endlessly so they made a vow to never fight with each other even if how different people might be and so that's how the Tày were born. Btw, Tày also called themselves Tai (means freed, peaceful people) but in Vietnamese, Tai means ear so we call them Tày to not be confused. The Tày also consider the Nùng as one like them. The Nùng is the Eastern Tai newly migrated from China specific Guangxi, Tày is the Tai natives in Vietnam. They are known for stories that teach people kindness and having mercy

[@rungsukburanarungsuk8816]

ขอบคุณครับ (Thanks you) from Thailand

[@sunduncan1151]

I’m Thai and appreciate it! Kra-Dai is not famous and less known unlike other larger language families. Formerly, Kra-Dai (formerly known as Tai-Kadai) was considered to be part of Sino-Tibetan (formerly known as Tibeto-Chinese) together with Vietnamese and Hmong-Mien, but from the current linguistic and genetic evidences, Kra-Dai seems to be distantly related to Austronesian rather than Sino-Tibetan. There are 2 hypothesis about the origin of Kra-Dai: 1) Kra-Dai split from Austronesian before the Proto-Austronesians migrated to Taiwan or 2) Kra-Dai migrated from the Philippines back to the mainland China via Hainan and was highly sinicized. That’s why modern Thais, Lao and other Tai ethnic groups look like Austronesians in appearances and customs (tattooing, sailing skills and water culture), especially the Filippinos despite of geographic distance. Tai languages also share many cognates with Austronesian languages but Tai is monosyllabic and tonal. Comparing Thai to Austronesian, similarities are remarkable in basic vocabs indicating cognates rather than loanwords: - ตา ta - mata (eye) - ตาย tay - matay (to die) - นก nok - manok (bird) - กิน kin - kain (to eat) - ดื่ม düm - inom (to drink) - แดด dæt - init (sun) - เดือน *blwan - buwan, bulan (moon) - ดอก *blok - bulaklak (flower) - น้ำ nam - danom (water) - ไฟ fay - apoy (fire) - ฟัน fan - ngipin (teeth) - มือ mü - lima (hand) - นี้ ni - ini (this) - นั้น nan - iyan (that) - โน้น non - iyon (that beyond) - กู ku - aku, ako (I, me) - มึง *mü - kamu, mo (you) *Proto-Tai

[@ANTSEMUT1]

The first hypothesis seems more likely to me.

[@xXxSkyViperxXx]

"Filipino" is a nationality, not an ethnic group also, u seem to have used tagalog to compare with thai terms. "init" means hot in tagalog, not sun. sun is "araw". แดด dæt sounds more like how sun is said in philippine hokkien chinese "di̍t (日)". "danom" is not tagalog. water is "tubig" in tagalog. tho "danom" does exist as water in other austronesian languages in the philippines. "lima" does not mean hand in tagalog. "lima" means five in tagalog. "kamay" is hand in tagalog. "ini" is also not tagalog. "ito" is this in tagalog. "iyan" does mean that (close to the speaker) in tagalog, but i think "niyan" with roughly the same meaning might sound closer to นั้น nan. "iyon" also does mean that (far from the speaker) in tagalog, but i think "niyon" sounds closer to โน้น non, plus these days, people in ph do sometimes shorten it to non or nun.

[@sunduncan1151]

@@xXxSkyViperxXx Yes, you’re right. I’d rather use the term ‘Philippine languages’ instead of specific term Tagalog or Filippino. Thank you.

[@trulymind617]

สุดยอดครับ

[@alemalem6728]

2 brothers: one on land downsouth, one on sea downsouth

[@JcDizon]

Interesting how Hainan used to be a Tai-Kadai island. I guess moving to Southeast Asia was the best thing the group has done since it dominated there while those that remained in southern China got dominated by Chinese languages.

[@jakubpociecha8819]

Yeah kinda how Taiwan was and still is an Austronesian island

[@JcDizon]

@@jakubpociecha8819 Oh yeah, Austronesian had a similar story. Taiwan used to be the homeland of the Austronesian languages then it moved southwards to the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and westward/eastward to the Pacific/Madagascar where it has been dominant ever since (except for Hawaii, New Zealand and some smaller islands which got Europeanized) while Taiwan turned into a Chinese island.

[@夜行者-s2x]

今天所有人都是混合 Haplogroup O-M175=O2 (M122) +O1 (F265) ("Austric") O2 (M122) = Sino-Tibetan O2a2b1 (M134) +Hmong-Mien O2a2a1a2 (M7) O1 (F265) ("Austric") =O1a+O1b O1a= Austro-Tai O1a (M119) O1b=O1b1+O1b2 O1b2=Korean+Janpan O1b1=Austroasiatic O1a Nias people 100%O1a Austronesian language family Taiwanese aborigines 89%O1a Austronesian language family O1b1 Shompen people 100% Austro-Asiatic language family Juang people 98%Austro-Asiatic language family O2 (M122) Derung 100% Sino-Tibetan languages Naga 100% Sino-Tibetan languages (Sagaing, Myanmar)

[@太守苏定交趾]

@@JcDizon Taiwan is now almost Chinese, even the indigenous people are highly sinicized

[@TheXanian]

The Hlai languages are still spoken in Hainan today, so in some sense Hainan is still a Tai-Kradai island.

[@SuperMiley1994]

As a Thai person I have a hard time trying not to dance to the beat of the song being used in this video 😂

[@CostasMelas]

Great work. Are you thinking of doing Austroasiatic and Hmong Mien later to complete south China?

[@TheDragonHistorian]

Thanks! Austroasiatic is either my next video or the one after. I'm not so sure about Hmong-Mien yet because it hasn't been requested very much and my last couple videos have done quite poorly.

[@joaquinalfajor4386]

@@TheDragonHistorian Cantonese Is Kra-Dai Languages

[@joaquinalfajor4386]

@Sir Lancelet Ok Is In The South Of China But Me I Think Is Kra Dai And You Say Is Sino-Tibetan 😂Sorry

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

your meows never had an empire or Kingdom or country or history . meows just a wood jungle abes been kicked out from china mountain then slided down to north mountains of fews Southeast tai country from 80 years ago . peoples start knowing meows peoples after meows refugee from lao in usa . then you meows meows meows start put up a loud speaker there . even hmong name never have been found and never heard from history until meows made it up in usa

[@weifan9533]

@@joaquinalfajor4386 Cantonese is Sinitic, though with a noticeable Kradai substratum

[@คนเจริญแสวงหาความเป็นมนุษย์บาง]

ok , thanks for your sharing information. ดีใจที่คุณเอามาลงนะ

[@stephanieoris6164]

Hi, Dragon Historian. We are an undergraduate team from SISU(Shanghai International Studies University). We are recently working on a project about a brief introduction video of the Sino-Tibetan languages’ history. Your video briefly and concisely gave us a clear outlook of the Sinitic (Chinese) Languages and the Kra-Dai (Tai-Kadai) Languages. We are wondering whether could we use your videos for study purposes and use a few of your video clips in our introduction video? We will cite you as a source at the end of our video！！

[@TheDragonHistorian]

Hi Stephanie! While I would be honored to have my videos featured in your project, I'm not sure they are quite up to standard for being included in undergraduate research. I am just an amateur and there are probably many flaws in my videos. I am completely fine with you using them, but keep in mind that they may not be the best sources to cite. Thanks!

[@stephanieoris6164]

@@TheDragonHistorian Thanks for your allowance!! That will be of great help to our project!!! Thanks for your reminder, we may quote it at the end of our project to remind our audience! Many thanks～～～

[@Ck-zk3we]

@@TheDragonHistorian you made the CCP happy

[@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj]

@@Ck-zk3we racist spotted

[@zeitgeistx5239]

@@Ck-zk3wewhy you triggered?

[@sirlancelet9167]

More research needs to be done on this family because it shows striking similarities with Austronesian

[@billyb9067]

We were Austronesians who stayed on the mainland and interbred with Sinitic people and other groups but maintain our core language that later became tonal and monosyllabic after the proto Kra languages like Gelao and Buyang.

[@tsurugi5]

sister branch of proto austronesian

[@mytube9182]

Loved this video! I learned a lot from it about my ancestry.

[@ricechannel7754]

Fantastic map and music thanks you from Thailand.

[@killualaura]

Hello, I like your video very much! There's not so much video about Kra-Dai on KZbin. :D But a little bit problem I suggest, I think the map is a bit too much depend on modern distribution of Kra-Dai, especially those in China. It should be much wider spread in the history: Late until 9th century, medival Chinese document has recorded Kra-Dai vocabulary in Enping county, Guangdong province, which is just in the west of Canton city. We can suggest that Kra-Dai language existed in lower Pearl River basin at least until 9th or 10th century.

[@SGMIV]

Can you explain the border choice for the proto-kra language, seems quite well defined? Any reason?

[@slyninja4444]

4:10 Thailand has entered the chat. 4:58 Emperor Zhu Di has entered the chat. 5:42 France has entered the chat

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

What is the chat chat chat ?

[@baqikenny]

4:43 mongolians enter china chatroom from there on, my recent ancestors(est~800 years) escaped southern china from central areas and forcefully took over lands on the way along south-eastern coastal china all the way to hainan island, the Hlai branch of theKra Dai language almost got entirely slaughtered over the years

[@hanakomatsuni315]

I think 5:42 could be British raj of the UK more than France

[@saikawkham6874]

I am Tai loung from Myanmar.

[@vtron9832]

I am very pleased with your tremendous work. I hope to see more come! 👏 👏 👏

[@mitismee]

good to see this kind of map of where Kradai have been moving around no wonder why in modern day Thai the language tend to have some word influence by the region which dominantly speak middle chinese and Vietic , some time you can find thai viet and chinese using same word that has middle chinese root some time you just see Viet and thai word that they shared in the past, anyway language has always been like that evolve through time and geography and evolve as they meet some new culture, now we are in 21 st century Asian language start to have West germanic vocabulary influence like English and latin influenced like Spanish or French ( yes the west )

[@OliveVlog]

My grandmother is Lao-Putai. We call ourselves Laos but still subset of the Dai or Tai.

[@parthamohan5891]

Lots of Love form Tai-Ahom,Assam...India🙂🙏🏼❤️

[@XiaoMao_1]

อย่าเรียกตัวเองว่าไท คุณพูดภาษาของเผ่าพันธุ์ไม่ได้ด้วยซ้ำ

[@Konkonponponsonson]

​@@XiaoMao_1คุณหมายความว่าอย่างไร

[@XiaoMao_1]

@@Konkonponponsonson ไทอาหม สูญเสียความเป็นเผ่าพันธุ์ไทกะไดไปแล้ว ภาษา วัฒนธรรม ไม่เหลืออยู่เลย

[@Konkonponponsonson]

@@XiaoMao_1 เป็นอย่างนั้นเหรอ? คือผมไม่รู้อะไรเกี่ยวกับไทอาหมครับ ผมคิดว่ายังมีความคล้ายคลึงกับไทอยู่บ้าง

[@jxyskies8519]

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[@buriraminoi2562]

Thank you. I'm come from Isan. (Thailand)

[@buriraminoi2562]

I don't know. Isan mean Northeast Thailand region, culture and language.

[@kelameym8129]

@Lao Lao No Isan is Thai, not Lao

[@basello5409]

@Huy Ngo yes, Isan is Lao

[@Q_Q123-j3e]

@@basello5409 อย่าเอ๋อ

[@AsianTurtleee]

Iao isan, tai isan its interchangeable, but the natives are tai of lao origin.

[@shinelevel9200]

🇹🇭 🇱🇦 is Tai-Kadai ❤

[@วงเฟม2532]

and Shan state or Tai yai is Tai Kadai too

[@TheXanian]

Shan, Hlai, Ong-Be, Shui, Buyang, Bouyei, Zhuang, Dong, these are all Tai-Kradai

[@ຜາລາຍລາວກາຍ]

laos was a big brother of all tai

[@chaoho-kham-phaburagohain8623]

@@TheXanian Tai Ahom.

[@meimeisiriyakon]

@Buk Keo Latino lol We're not Latino we are Tai kadai Asian!!

[@AnakWatanKra]

Southern Thai is basically Mon-Khmer + Austronesian that got assimilated into Tai Kadai.

[@matthewmann8969]

The Tai, Polynesian, Micronesian, Meleanesian, Papuan, And Australian Aboriginal languages are not looked and examined enough

[@vtron9832]

Or the Ongan and great andamanese families.

[@qfzyhclqujd6530]

Altai origin human its australish.

[@TheXanian]

Rather I feel that the connection between Kradai and Austronesian is not examined enough. Despite Kradai languages share some superstratum or top-layer vocabulary with Chinese, they share the bulk of their substratum or Swadesh vocabulary with Austronesian.

[@paemonyes8299]

@@vtron9832 well to be frank the andaman natives are quite..... secluded and scattered

[@vtron9832]

@@paemonyes8299 I wouldn’t say scattered. The Sentinelese are all in their island, the Onge are in a village to the north of little Andaman, the remaining great andamanese are in one small island off the coast of middle Andaman, and the jarawa are at their reserve which their largest area.

[@soregix6137]

Amazing Video

[@Gog_Magog179]

KRA sounds Austronesian especially Ecun Buyang. They just like to shortcut the words. Example, Austronesian numbers 1-10: 1- isa, 2- dalawa/ duha, 3- tatlo/ tulo, 4- apat/ upat, 5- lima, 6- anim, 7- pito, 8- walo, 9- siyam, 10- sampu/ sepuluh. In KRA Ecun Buyang its, 3- tatlo/ tulo into “tu”, 4- apat into “pa”, 5- lima into “ma”, 6- anim into “nam”, 7- pito into “tet/cit/tu”, 8- walo into “madu”, 10- sampu/ sepulu into “sap or put”. While other Tai Kadai languages sounds more Chinese, or Sino-Tibetan maybe, I just dont know how they say numbers 1-10 in Chinese & Sino-Tibetan or Burmese, it may have influenced them as a region since its beside to them when Yunnan is also a province in China, at the foothills of Tibet and they share Western borders to Myanmar.

[@KartovOndulevitch]

TLDR: *Austroasiatic :Cambodge-Vietnam *Kratai:Laos, Thaïlande *Tibetoburman:Tibet, Birmanie *negritos:Papouasie, inner Borneo *"island peoples" (?) :Taïwan, Philippines, Malaisie, Indonésie

[@jadonsaruansarom]

Your videos are awesome. Could you make a video about the history of the Austroasiatic (Mon-Khmer) languages please?

[@PloysiTV]

What an amazing VDO!

[@penki5509]

Very interesting video!

[@shanghainesetv3992]

You didn’t mention the Viet(Yue越）people around Zhejiang, 《越人歌》Song of the Yue Boatman is a poem around 528 BC. And the language is Tai, which was interpreted by Zhengzhang Shangfang

[@SuryanChandra]

There were also many who disagreed, ironically not the Chinese but most likely the Vietnamese and the Western scholars. I found on the Wikipedia how Wu Chinese languages have like hundreds of Kra-Dai words as substrates, but not one of them mentioned by western researchers, who seemed to love to confine Kra-Dai to Lingnan area only, and not the Yangtze Delta. And the Vietnamese would love to make Vietic spread from Red River Delta to Yangtze Delta in their propaganda.

[@D2E80]

It’s accepted amongst academia Yue & Bai-Yue are Austronesian and Kra-Dai the evidence is beyond convincing. Austroasiatic origin is located in southwest China not southeast coastal China. Yue and Bai-Yue were expert seafarers Austronesians are known for this.

[@user-tx7ty4rr1w]

I'm Tai Neua from southern Shan State /Myanmar

[@atbing2425]

Glad I found your channel, very good videos, maybe in the (far) future you could do some european language families or something like semitic? Btw have u seen my videos? They are in the same general topic. Either way awesome videos :)

[@TheDragonHistorian]

Thank you! And yes, I am familiar with your channel; I actually cited you as a source in the end credits for this very video :)

[@atbing2425]

@@TheDragonHistorian wow thanks! Sorry I didn't notice lol

[@hobike44]

정말 위대합니다, 선생!!!!

[@WilfredDaggershell]

Today I found out from DNA test that I belong to the paternal haplogroup O-23266 (O-K644) which is a subgroup of O-119 and a founding paternal lineage for the Tai-Kradai people. Therefore, even though my paternal ancestors lived their whole lives in Vietnam, they were most likely descendants of Tai-Kradai people somewhere in Northern Vietnamese border. I’m so excited to learn more about Tai-Kradai culture in general!

[@stevenc.1067]

Haha definitely sounds like Laotian music, thanks for showing this. And as always, you're my favorite channel for Asian history videos.

[@frankiedomanico9701]

Wow. Incredible lang mapping! Also, for some weird random reason, the music kind of reminds me of Earthbound.

[@hub6490]

Isan music style (North-eastern Thailand).

[@taiahomyouth3121]

tai ahom from Northeast India

[@mrblack7218]

@Souphapxon Laos whose ancestors bro*

[@mrblack7218]

@Souphapxon Laos We are descendants of dehong dai. This dehong dai were ruling class of mong mao. We came from mung mao in 13th century. Chaopha Siukapha a prince from mong mao led us to Assam,India. Siukapha was son of chao cheng nyeu. Chao chang nyeu was a prince of shan state,myanmar. He came to mong mao and married the daughter of The king of Mong mao. They had a son named siukapha. So basically we common tai ahom people are Dai descendants where as royal class belongs to shan.

[@mrblack7218]

@Souphapxon Laos We consider Khunlung and Khunlai as the ancestors of Siukapha and his descendants. Khunlung and khunlai came from guangxi,China and established their kingdom in Mong mao. Khunlung and khunlai are worshipped by us. This Khunlung and khunlai are ancestors of shan and tai ahom.

[@ochokochi4594]

Love your channel ! Hope one day you'll make languages of Caucasus region .. ( Will be challenging though ) ..

[@paiwanhan]

Based on reconstructed Proto-Kra-Dai and recognizing innovations in Formosan languages to the numbers 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 as well as other innovations that should have been after the PAN and not the PAN itself, Sagart concluded that Proto-Kra-Dai was a sister language of Proto-Malayo-Polynesian, perhaps having left Taiwan just slightly earlier than those who left for the Luzon island.

[@ชื่อจริงเล่นๆชื่อเล่นจริงๆ]

Don't be equal to Thai people, Malaysian, Indonesian people look like Aborigines.

[@Gog_Magog179]

I think they are the remnants of Austronesian in South China then they migrated Westward into Yunnan. While the Austronesian went out early out of Southeast China around 5,000 years ago to populate the Archipelagos in Southeast Asia, Micronesia & Polynesia in Pacific, sailing to as far as Alaska in North America, Easter Island in South America, and Madagascar in East Africa. The footprint markers are all in numbers 1-10.

[@tsurugi5]

I think tai peoples are the one who went back into southern China unlike their austronesian/austroasiatic relatives who either settled in mainland or went further south, and only coming down again after several thousand years due to Han expansion

[@dominoaffabatelal6731]

Wow Good job

[@satanshameer690]

Are Kra Dai languages still spoken in India. I heard that they had a kingdom there long back (Ahom kingdom)

[@lalalaland7930]

Yes they still Tai Ahom, Tai Khamti, Tai Aiton Tai Lai and Tai turung

[@sunduncan1151]

@@lalalaland7930 Tai Phake and Tai Khamyang too

[@BadBoy-wy1il]

@@lalalaland7930 you forgot Tai metie of Manipur bro😑

[@Iohh26]

Tai Ahom went extinct. Though they are trying to revive it now.

[@legendarymemes1929]

I'm Tai ahom from India ❤❤❤

[@tsurugi5]

my tai brother from a distant land ❤

[@legendarymemes1929]

​@@tsurugi5 I also love all our tai brother all over the world and brother from which country you belong ❤❤❤❤

[@alexangelo1998]

Make about Tibeto-Burman languages

[@chrischan5071]

เขาไม่บอกถึงพม่าเขาบอกกลุ่มชาติพันธุ์ในพม่า

[@messier8888]

I find it strange that Thailand as a country has existed less than a millennium ago XD and that the origin of the Kra-dai languages ​​is the province of canton apparently they migrated a lot very much in the style of the Turkic peoples

[@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj]

Cantonese have some native Tai DNA, and Thai people have some native Austroasiatic DNA. People don’t just get replaced, unless it’s in the new world

[@messier8888]

@@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj Spanish please 🙏

[@niallahorana3377]

​@@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj I don't have Austronesian DNA. I got my DNA ancestry and I got Chinese but no Austronesian.

[@Gog_Magog179]

@@niallahorana3377You are Thai but Chinese ? So is Thailand a China province ?

[@niallahorana3377]

@@Gog_Magog179 Northern Thai Chinese

[@sutthikhun]

Can I ask you what software you use to make this motion graphic?

[@TheDragonHistorian]

I use a combination of Photoshop Elements and Premiere Pro.

[@devasdin3207]

Love from Chiang Saen ❤❤❤

[@zhoushou863]

Chiang sean and shang hai is simmilar sound and meaning ?

[@tsurugi5]

@@zhoushou863 chiang(fort, castle->walled city) comes from Middle Chinese 城 d͡ʑiᴇŋ, saen(hundred thousand) maybe relate to 千?? Different meaning though

[@BadBoy-wy1il]

Tai ahom from India 🤘

[@Jesusisking-c1e]

As a Indian-Caribbean 🗿🇹🇹🇮🇳🇬🇾🫡

[@zsanettszabo3096]

Please make a video about neolitics of other part of asia in major picture. From example from Indus to taiwan or Aral see to East Siberia. Cause i missed the southern part of asia in the neolitics of china video.

[@DucDuni]

Does Vietnamese also belong to Tai-Kadai family? From the map it has been in Northern Vietnam for a long time.

[@user-bf2ih8hd2k]

No. But Vietnamese is probably genetically related to early Tai-Kadai people.

[@HK-ve5le]

so Tai used to own Tonkin delta and Gulf of Tonkin before Vietnamese came from Thanh Hoa

[@lenguyenxuonghoa]

No, Vietnamese is an Austroasiatic language

[@tungnguyen-kd4yg]

m thèm làm mọi rợ lắm hả

[@zygnus9481]

Hey, new subscriber here, I hope you can do Brahmic Script. Love from Philippines 💚💙

[@Cantonesian]

No wonder my DNA test shows that I am 99% Guangdong Han Chinese and 1% Chinese Dai

[@rickr9435]

are you from the pearl river delta?

[@Cantonesian]

@@rickr9435 Yup, see my profile picture.

[@zitloeng8713]

俚人 in Guangdong is not mentioned in this video, whose identity lasted at least until 800 AD.

[@zitloeng8713]

good demonstration for this language series, but it needs more accuracy..

[@TheDragonHistorian]

Yes, you're right. I showed the Hlai migration to Hainan too early.

[@zitloeng8713]

@@TheDragonHistorian well, many of them simply became cantonese..

[@TheXanian]

They were in Guangxi as well. In fact I would say that Kradai languages were dominant through most of Guangdong and Guangxi before Sinitic incursions.

[@TheXanian]

@@zitloeng8713 Yes, genetic testings have shown that Cantonese speakers from the western part of Guangdong and neighboring Guangxi have significant Kradai admixtures.

[@yunyitsui6442]

Gelao(Klau) used to be much more widely spread in Southwest China than the video shows, the literature of Late Qing (19th century) said there still were Gelao people lived in Southeast Guizhou and West of Hunan.

[@yunyitsui6442]

Even the resident who lived in the northern Guangdong Province in Tang Dynasty(7-10 centuries) was also called as "Klau"（獦獠）, as the sixth ancestor of Zen, Huineng. So this video makes a mistake of Gelao people.

[@zhoushou863]

I need more the information of them

[@billyb9067]

It showed the northern kra had a big expansion that declined

[@parkrinhaleng213]

Will you do Austroasiatic language?

[@TheDragonHistorian]

@제승원 aren't you the one who was saying I will never make a Turkic languages video because I'm being paid by China and Japan?

[@12siprakitphoobuaduang54]

Does anyone know the name of the song used in the clip?

[@SSava-l2s]

Free thai esan music

[@ansonpui5855]

When parameswara ,a Malay prince exile from Sumatera in late 1300, he reached Temasik or nowadays Singapore . There he killed Temagi, a Siamese king of Temasik, who's their spoken language is Tai. The Gelanggi kingdom in Pahang Malaysia also Siamese who speaks Tai, the kingdom claimed by some historian as older than Angkor Wat. So I doubt this theory of the Tai language origin.

[@lololo-cy2eu]

This is many thousands of years ago though. Modern Thai people apparently only moved into Thailand 1,000 years ago.

[@vetiarvind]

Chiang saen is the name of Thai language?

[@tcesourl3221]

I found that the origin of several languages took place in modern China.

[@Gog_Magog179]

Dont flatter yourself too much. It just happened many historical migrations of people happened in China territory. Many wars, invasions of warring tribes too from the North to the South, East to the West. That has caused people to constantly move & migrate. Even in China history, there are many Kingdoms before it became United. And when United, it becomes aggressive in invading other lands & territories, just like that Mongolian Chinese Emperor-Khan, Genghis Khan.

[@tphone5499]

We are Tai people

[@mrblack7218]

where are you from?

[@hungluongmisha]

Cảm ơn tác giả, tôi là người Tai ở Tây Bắc Việt Nam.

[@Yuki-c3e9g]

wonder if kra dai speakers along with austroasiatic are part of the Baiyue tribes

[@Nastya_07]

Probably

[@D2E80]

Yue and Bai-Yue is Austronesian & Kra-Dai nothing to do with Austroasiatic.

[@scarymonster5541]

​@@D2E80 aren't vietnamese bai-yue also?

[@vaniaaprillia9495]

Baiyue is mostly kra-dai & Austronesian​@@scarymonster5541

[@Foxxx-01]

the Buyang language is the only Kra Dai tongue that still retained its Austronesian roots

[@sutthikhun]

and also Hlai?

[@SuryanChandra]

Well, Hlai too. And Austronesian roots you mentioned are only numbers. Other branches still retain hundreds of Austronesian-origin words.

[@Frahamen]

the fact that Thai and Tai are confusing, especially since my native language don't have dental fricatives. Or aspirated alveolar plosives, for that matter.

[@xia-lao]

Its pronounce with the "D" sound not "T", Tai is the Latin form.

[@ZlHl1999]

There may only be a few thousand people in India who speak the Kra-Dai language, and most of the Ahom people switch to languages ​​​​of the Indo-European language family

[@o0...957]

Ahom people cannot speak their language, it's mostly priests who read the chants from written texts or University students Learning Ahom. But there are other Tai people in NE India close to the Ahoms like Tai Phake, Tai Khamti, Tai Aiton etc, who still speak their languages. Though the Tai Khamyang seem to be losing their language and only elderly people speak their language, the youngsters either speak Khamti or Assamese. The Tai Turung seem to speak Singpho(a Sino-Tibetan language, called Jingpo in China and Kachin in Myanmar) instead.

[@jwamphway7855]

I’m tai from Myanmar

[@KingArthur261]

the music is so good

[@somsaksompong689]

Northeast Thailand music

[@cuteboy219]

Thai soft power

[@slyninja4444]

Its funny to note that Isan is only different from Lao because the French were unable to take the Isan region.

[@jonangorman6341]

What you lao?

[@hunhoon6283]

so true, 80% of Isan people are ethnically Lao

[@slyninja4444]

@@jonangorman6341 No. But I've heard that Isan is mutually intelligible with Lao (and Ive seen many maps that dont distinguish it from Lao). Also I heard that France did claim the Isan region.

[@somsaksompong689]

@Buk Keo isan have different origin depen on province

[@hub6490]

Yeah and entire lao country should be called East-Isan if it wasn't the French took lao away from Siam empire.

[@SKITNICA95]

basically Hlai is oldest of all Kra-Dai languages

[@greathistorymapper]

Great😀😀😀😀😀😀👍👍👍👍

[@larshofler8298]

I do not think this is very accurate, Kra-Dai almost certainly had a much wider distribution throughout southeastern China, roughly corresponds to the various Yue groups in the Old Chinese records. For example, Kam corresponds to Kan, an alternative name for Jiangxi region, and a Yue group named "Kan" in Old Chinese used to live in that exact area. Kam people might have at least at some point inhabited the Jiangxi area. Also, it is widely agreed that Kra-Dai is related to Austronesian, sometimes grouped together with Austronesian.

[@TheDragonHistorian]

Yes, this video does have a lot of errors, especially the omission of the ancient Chu state's Kra-Dai connections. However, I haven't heard that the Austro-Tai hypothesis is "widely agreed" upon.

[@gerald8209]

It seems that most lean towards there being an Austro-Tai relationship. And that's strictly based on linguistics, not taking other evidence into account. Are there any legit rebuttals to Austro-Tai? Imho, the mainstream accepted the relationship and the main contention now is whether they're sister branches or Kra-Dai is a daughter of Austronesian.

[@user-yv2nu5kf5j]

But Tai-Kradai languages of today has lost many features that define Austronesian such as the addition of tones, monosyllable, etc

[@gerald8209]

@@user-yv2nu5kf5j Tonogenesis can actually occur really fast. Look up the Tsat language on iLoveLanguages channel. It's one of a few tonal Austronesian languages and is spoken on Hainan Island. It branched off from Cham or Malay and sounds a bit like Wu Chinese to me. Also, a recent piece published by Oxford and written by a University of Melbourne professor (Yongxian Luo) from their top-ranked linguistics dept. wrote 'The ultimate genetic affiliation of Kra-Dai remains controversial, although a consensus among western scholars holds that it belongs under Austronesian'. It's in their encyclopedia section or something under 'The Kra-Dai Languages'

[@gerald8209]

@@user-yv2nu5kf5j One of my favorite cognates shared by proto-Tai, proto-Austronesian, and proto-Austroasiatic is the word for 'eyes'. 'Look me in the eyes!' is said when we do not want to lose any of the messages a person's gaze sends us. It's 'the window to the soul'

[@yujiang6004]

Where is baiyue (old yue) language？i think that kradai should include old yue although some linguists regard it as a kind of austronesian languages

[@DTKRDMNK]

Personally, I think Yue and Tai are interchangeable to a point.

[@yujiang6004]

@@DTKRDMNK yeah some of yue peoples became the ancestor of Thai

[@weifan9533]

Most likely Kradai, though possibly also included speakers of Austroasiatic, Hmong-Mien, and Austronesian. Baiyue wasn't a single people, it was a collective term which referred to all the Non-Sinitic peoples of Southern China.

[@yujiang6004]

@@weifan9533 emm u r right. Baiyue(hundred yue) is not homogeneous. Wuyue and Eastern Ou could be kradai or austronesian, yangyue and shanyue in three-kingdoms period could be hmongmien, minyue could be austronesian, and au lac or luoyue(lac viet) could be kradai or austroasiatic. Dongyi is also a multiethnic group and it could include austronesian, altaic and sino-tibetan peoples

[@weifan9533]

@@yujiang6004 I actually think Wuyue and Eastern Ou could either be Sinitic or Hmong-Mien, Minyue could be Austroasiatic or Hmong-Mien, and Luoyue / Western Ou was most likely Kradai. Austronesian by this time had most likely been pushed out of mainland China, though could still have pockets of lingering populations in Fujian, Guangdong, Hainan, and Guangxi. Dongyi, on the other hand, most likely spoke a language related to modern-day Korean or Japanese. Just my opinion though, there's no consensus on this.

[@bioinformaticsonline5988]

Why the distribution of Tai language is so down South? What happens to the hypothesis that Tai was the spoken language of the Yue kingdom? Eg. The song of the girl from Yue.

[@yujiang6004]

TDH considers that the Yue kingdom spoke an extinct Austroasiatic language instead of Kradai

[@みか-m6o]

@@yujiang6004 bae yue people os Austronesian

[@pornpimontungmepol8144]

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[@songklodsuku7193]

thx u

[@CuenghChannel]

l think northern Tai （ Cuengh /zhuang ）should have full fill guangxi in the past .

[@weifan9533]

Not only that, I think they were also in the western parts of Guangdong, and possibly some parts of Hainan as well

[@CuenghChannel]

@@weifan9533 yes. but now there is not connect with main Cuengh region due to we fail in history.

[@safuwanfauzi5014]

Tai-Kadai closest cousin are Austronesian, not Austro-asiatic and Hmong-Mien. Yunnan is not in China, it should become Laos or Thai, Hainan native are Tai with Austronesian like Cham/Tstat.. totally sad that Thai lost many land, Shan in Myammar, Ahom in India, Yunnan, Hainan and part of Southern China. most of them become sinonized, or sinofication of Tai, Austro-asiatic and Austronesian in Southerrn China and Taiwan made some of people lost their identity.

[@みか-m6o]

Is there any Austronesian, Austroasiatic, or Tai-Kadai language in China that has undergone relexicalization due to Chinese influence? According to Laurent Sagart, Tai-Kadai was originally Austronesian but had later been relexicalized twice, once by an unknown language and another time by Chinese (most likely some Southern varieties of Middle Chinese). For example, the entire numeral system in Tai languages was borrowed from Chinese. Ong Be language in Hainan is a Tai-Kadai language that has undergone Sinicization. It is said that its lexicon contains large number of borrowings from Chinese. Speakers of the language identify themselves as Han Chinese. Zhuang languages have been in constant contact with Southern Chinese languages for millennia and there could be certain dialects or variants that are more Sinicized than others. Pinghua, which is mainly spoken in Guangxi, was thought to be a highly divergent Cantonese dialect group but are now recognized as a separate branch under the Sinitic language family. Its speakers are genetically more similar to non-Sinitic people than their Han neighbors. It would be interesting to find out the historic development of the language as it is highly likely that it has non-Sinitic origins. Some Wu dialects of Shanghai’s suburbs, for example the Jinhui dialect, have preserved many non-Sinitic features that seem to have come from the indigenous people in the Yangtze River Delta. One could argue these dialects are examples of relexicalization by Chinese. San Diu people in Vietnam is ethnically Mien/Yao but have recently switched to speak some variety of Cantonese. There might exist some variety that sits between their original language and the Sinicized dialect they are speaking nowadays.

[@可爱包-c4v]

Thailand was born in the 10th century as a country, and China got Yunnan two thousand years ago

[@chickendinner5572]

@@可爱包-c4v 2000? Wrong, xisuangpanna was Lan Xiang… Han Chinese took it by force. We migrated south due to mongol invasion and hmHan expansion. There’s literally over 1 billion of you.

[@kellyma2992]

Actually the Tai-kadai speaking groups are never dominate in Yunnan , first might be austro-asiatic then it's lolo-burmese, and then Bai ,and then Chinese, Tai-kdai do exist in Yunna ,but never dominate there .

[@kellyma2992]

​@@chickendinner5572 Wow , you invaded mon, Khmer ，hmong and malay and northeast indian people , Why do you make it sound like someone forced you?

[@gamestarchannel3374]

Wow pod thaks

[@framesaharatmex4984]

I like music

[@lianghuang3]

Very inaccurate. Tai-Kadai languages (百越) were spoken in Shanghai, Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces (today's Wu speaking area), and Tai-Kadai was the group behind the famous Liang-Zhu civilization. There have been solid genetic and linguistic evidences on this. In southern suburbs of Shanghai, there are still (old) people speaking a mixed language between Wu and Tai-Kadai. But this video only showed south and southwest China, as if Tai-Kadai never reached the Yangtze river.

[@张哲段]

放屁，只有浙南才有百越特征，宁波杭州本地人都是汉人长相，更别说上海江苏了

[@zhoushou863]

How do you think between (chiang) jiang hai in thailand vs shang hai in china ?

[@kellyma2992]

There is no hard evidence or proof of this , Yes chinese there do carry gene O1a , but that doesn't say anything ,gene are not the marker of languages , people there do not need to speak any Tai-kadai languages. There are never any solid linguistic evidence , not yet .Most of the people there speak sinitic languages and identified as Han , even those who live on the sea and belived that they are not Han ,but their language is sinitic.Thier ethnic is remained unidentified ,cos their language is just sintic

[@D2E80]

Li Hui (2001) finds 126 Kra-Dai cognates in Maqiao Wu dialect spoken in the suburbs of Shanghai out of more than a thousand lexical items surveyed.[36] According to the author, these cognates are likely traces of the Old Yue language.[36] The two tables below show lexical comparisons between Maqiao Wu dialect and Kra-Dai languages quoted from Li Hui (2001). He notes that, in Wu dialect, final consonants such as -m, -ɯ, -i, ụ, etc don't exist, and therefore, -m in Maqiao dialect tends to become -ŋ or -n, or it's simply absent, and in some cases -m even becomes final glottal stop.[37] Li, Hui (2001). "Daic Background Vocabulary in Shanghai Maqiao Dialect" (PDF). Proceedings for Conference of Minority Cultures in Hainan and Taiwan, Haikou: Research Society for Chinese National History: 15-26.

[@D2E80]

If not the Austronesian & Kra-Dai who else? It’s obvious now the whole Southeastern Coastal China was Austro-Taic. Taiwan indigenous are Austronesian. Guangxi and Guangdong have pockets of Tai speakers everywhere.

[@rajatgogoi6441]

I am tai ahom North East India

[@dreamer_deer]

Majority of the modern Ahoms are actually Morans, Chutiyas etc, who got absorbed into the Ahom kingdom & identity themselves as Ahom. Only 9000 Tai men and few women arrived in Assam, & majority of Ahom are not descendants of those 9000 men. DNA test of Ahom population proves that they have high HbE frequency, which is a trait of native mongoloid population of Assam. Whereas Tai population in the East Asian countries have almost no HbE frequency. And if you want proof then check the answer of Himprabal Singha on Quora, he replied to the question (Are Ahoms Assamese?) there he have showed the proof. There he have showed the Haplogroup frequency of the natives of Assam. HbE means Haplogroup by the way.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

BUDDHA BLESS THE TAI KADAI!

[@mookmook4555]

One thing I know Thai language Gai / chicken is same in Cantonese Gai 😆

[@quyen278]

Vietnamese ga`/ chicken .Hahah

[@niallahorana3377]

Cha is tea in Thai and Chinese. Also Khun Ying, Ma is also used in Thai and Chinese.

[@niallahorana3377]

@@altran1125 Amazing! 🙂

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Nice video,Turkic languages pls

[@sailaophasuy6493]

proud to be Tai ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@landamontmonape3030]

The Thai hegemony in process !

[@sumaranggg]

Please do Austronesian languages ☺️

[@liketostudy66]

Tai is language just arrived sotheast Asia mainland at 11 century.

[@Lanxang12]

00:15 มีเสียงโหวดดนดรีจ.ร้อยเอ็ด

[@redcolorchannelvideoeffect9586]

kra dai language is thailand language

[@SteveMoua]

Not things hiding ok

[@SteveMoua]

I want ui to MONG- HMONG language later on Meo

[@SuperNaiyan]

Southern thai or Pak-tai language It is an old language that has been spoken since the Sukhothai period.

[@可爱包-c4v]

China did not force the Thai people to leave. Thailand began to expand in Southeast Asia in the about 10th century. At this time, China was being bullied by Mongolia , so China had no ability to bully other nationalities

[@vandenhuud8570]

It's about Trading not War that made Tai ethnic group spreading to the South.

[@D2E80]

Chinese expansion into southern china put pressure on Tai groups to expand southwards. Many many documented history of Tai groups rebelling against China then expanding southward.

[@D2E80]

Just look at where most Tai ethnic groups are located in southern china, most are living in mountainous areas. They were pushed into the mountains. Tai people are lowland agriculturalist not mountain dwellers.

[@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj]

⁠@@D2E80 because low lander are sinisized and assimilated, they are not gone and they live in modern southern Chinese gene like me. Tai people living in mountains are the ones who kept their language and culture, relatively unbothered by the central empire

[@kellyma2992]

@@D2E80 i guess you mistaken Hmong-mein with Tai-dai , there is a saying in China that Hmong-mein lives in the mountains while tai-kdai lives in the field and Han Chinese lives in the cities.

[@billyb9067]

Lao music representing Tai KraDai!! ❤️🙏🏽🙏🏾🙏🏿❤️ great map and timeline.

[@hub6490]

PhuThai mostly living in Thailand not lao. (156,000 of them living in Thailand) Stop claiming what isn't yours.

[@panongkone]

@@hub6490 Lao mostly living in Thailand not in Laos will be more accurate

[@billyb9067]

@@hub6490look at the map at 5:00. Tell me this music didn’t come from there.. it’s Lao Phutai music.

[@hub6490]

@@billyb9067 of course, it' not. even the word Phu-tai means Tai peoples and you know it damn well. they don't call themselves phulaos for a reason.

[@hub6490]

@@panongkone only brainwashed Laos by their commies propaganda believe your BS.

[@st.yb.8670]

I like music.

[@billyb9067]

Lao PuThai music. Middle Mekong dance music