The Hollywood stuntman and Manson

[@MichaelsBackporch]

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[@valentinodominus7078]

Michael, I appreciate the integrity of your show. The legitimate videos are greatly appreciated!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

I appreciate that so much and thank you because sometimes I have no idea how I come across to others and putting ones self out there can be quite humbling so thank you for the kind comment.

[@jimmorrison5308]

You are the King 👑 of these classic clips and stories. I'm proud of you. Keep them coming brother.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thank you so much it means a lot hearing that and a person taking time of their day to comment and watch is humbling and means the world and I certainly appreciate you.

[@jimmorrison5308]

@@MichaelsBackporch I almost 42 and I have been watching that man since I was 6 years old. It's a honor to know that you actually got to talk to him.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

I also consider it a honor I got to know him quite well and he knew me by name even if someone else would mention me. That is unreal like a dream of something because I too have watched things of this since I was a child.

[@robinrobyn1714]

'The Lone Ranger could have ridden down and saved Shorty!!'...I lmao at that.

[@bobsteel6916]

Your channel is BRILLIANT. You provide more information in your videos than the official media or law enforcement ever did. Manson has passed away, and people are still intrigued by all of this.

[@surfleopard]

Coyotes are all over Chatsworth. I lived there and they are everywhere. From what I understand it was a shallow grave, which makes sense as it was on a hillside and thus difficult to dig too deep(plus from all accounts Clem was a young knucklehead, so even if it was on flat ground he probably would have dug a shallow grave thinking it was deep enough). The missing hand and the bones looking scattered is probably the result of coyotes having dug him up and eating his remains. Plus the years of rains and shifting soil, covering and uncovering the body. The bones being all over makes perfect sense. Grogan and Davis both testified that the murder happened during the day and I see no reason to doubt it. I think the reason Shorty got into the car with them in the first place is because Manson took the same approach with Shea as he did with the LaBianca's. Remember he told the killers not to panic the victims like they had done the night before at Cielo. That's why Waverly was much less chaotic. It makes sense that he would want Shorty to not panic as well, that's why I believe Ruby Pearl's testimony. I think she saw them approach Shorty, whom she said was scared, and I believe they reassured him that everything was cool. That nobody was going to hurt him and all bitter feelings were water under the bridge. They probably even gave him a beer and had a few laughs with him once he relaxed. The next morning his affable companions of the night before approach him with "Hey, can you drive take us to get some stuff?" etc., and the rest is history. What do you think? Is that feasible to you? I think it makes sense, but I'm curious as to your thoughts about that scenario. Thanks

[@karmalevel]

So much detail and amazing insight Mike. I will comment more after work 👍❤️

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thank you I appreciate your comments.

[@danieltrevisanut8694]

Excellent work Michael. It's been a trippy pleasure, watching your channel evolve, watching the legacy you're creating. Good on you Bro. 🌞

[@scottcraigen630]

They probably didn’t indict Tex because they knew they had him already for the other 7 murders but it’s absolutely mind blogging to me they released Clem so fast into his “life” sentence and Bruce is still locked up in 2023, and I don’t care if she showed them where the body was all stories indicate he did way more than Bruce

[@tazgroceries4309]

As always great video pal and respect to you n your family bro

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Much appreciated and thank you so much.

[@tazgroceries4309]

@@MichaelsBackporch thanks for sharing your collections free really appreciate it and your such an amazing person

[@DarkCaseDocumentaries]

I've just started releasing true crime videos too - it's given me a whole new level of respect for what you do here! So much research and work. Subscribed!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Very cool and the best of luck on your channel everyone loves a good true crime story. Thank you so much for that I really appreciate it. Crime can be fun I suppose if you are the one looking for it rather than doing it. Good Luck on that channel I will check that out.

[@DarkCaseDocumentaries]

@@MichaelsBackporch thank you Michael! True crime is really fascinating indeed. Looking at it and presenting it respectfully is the most challenging part!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

I was watching your first video, Love your accent, the thumbnails are great page layout all of it looks wonderful and headed for success. Keep up that passion man it looks like you have it and worry less of numbers they will come with the passion. Great Work!

[@F417H]

@@MichaelsBackporch cool. Merci beaucoup 🍁 🐾

[@F417H]

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[@davidgolden1726]

It's hard to believe that there wasn't a crime seen unit that didn't take high quality photos of that burial site, and they're not still in that case file somewhere !! That's just standard practice.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

It was in 1977 they went with a map. . They was digging for 6 weeks there like they had no idea what they was doing from the get go. Lots of things about this Shorty Shea guy ended up a mystery.

[@johnnyman9513]

Nice man love your videos, always learn new stuff watching your vids. On a side note from the Al springer interviews it shows Shorty as pretty much hanging out with the so called family not just there to chase them off the land. peace man

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Oh it sounded like he partied with them at times and The Bailey kid was a ranch hand as well as Bill Vance so they all knew each other pretty well yes.

[@timetraveler8777]

Another great video man!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Appreciate it!

[@breakfastsurreal5650]

Always love your videos brother. Thank you for putting all this out. You're a great source for all things Manson related. Keep it up! You are much appreciated 🙏.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Much appreciated that you watch thank you so much for that and the comment as well.

[@breakfastsurreal5650]

@@MichaelsBackporch most certainly. I live in Milwaukee and I would give just about anything to visit Spahn Ranch and poke around for artifacts but watching your videos is keeping me satiated. I love listening while I work. You're one of my favorites and if you're ever in Milwaukee beer/weed/place to stay on me! Have yourself a great day.

[@davidgolden1726]

Bruce sounds oddly cagey in his hearing ! You can tell he is not telling it all !!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

He sure does. "I touched him on the neck with a machete"? Ok Bruce.

[@shadowboxer3583]

lol and then accidently chopped his head off

[@seanmurray976]

Hi Mike - great video…I apologize if my questions are dumb but I do not know much of Bill Vance and the other guy Bailey…Are either of those 2 around still? It’s crazy that Tex was not tried for this or Vance and Bailey…The bones appear that the body was dismembered to me which goes with all the testimony - Lots of great questions you ask here…Its a head scratcher!

[@MichaelsBackporch]

No questions are ever dumb. A few web pages have tracked both down yes a website called Mansonblog.com has modern pictures of Bailey not sure about Vance. Vance was a common criminal as well as Bailey it was not the last time they would both be in Prison. Thanks for watching yes it is a head scratcher and not a lot mention Shorty or Hinman they are the forgotten ones in this.

[@seanmurray976]

Thank you for talk g time to reply to me (again!) I appreciate it Mike! I’ll check out Mansonblog - thank you! - I couldn’t agree more that Shorty and Hinman are sadly over looked with all this… Peace - Sean

[@brianbirmingham5460]

Great stuff

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it.

[@Muddy_The_Water]

Hitting a person while they are driving doesn't make anymore sense, then hearing screams a fourth mile or more away. Clem was called Scrambled Brains yet he made the deal of a lifetime, he's been out almost 40 years. I think Shorty was killed because he was there, Psychos don't need a reason to do anything. They just kill. From all the interviews Manson did he wasn't crazy he was acting for the cameras. Bug painted a picture of madness so he played the part.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Yeah not to smart to hit the driver over the head.

[@2323barb]

Michael you do put on a great show. Loved the show

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thank you kindly... I appreciate your kindness. To me Sometimes the hard parts should be easy ones like spelling in captions but I seem to always make some mistake there I find later.

[@2323barb]

That’s ok sweet pea I’m pretty computer illiterate. I did see you were from Ohio too. I lived 38 years in Ohio on the river too. In Meigs county

[@MichaelsBackporch]

@@2323barb I was born in East Liverpool and then grew up in Ohio lived in Steubenville for about a year too. That is where Dean Martin came from as well.

[@2323barb]

Cool Michael I know where that’s city is. I live there 38 yrs than moved to Indianapolis now I live just west of Indy in a town call Avon right next to Plainfield IN I work there. Thank you so much for talking to me you very nice

[@MichaelsBackporch]

@@2323barb Wow you work at Plainfield that is ironic, I am sure you know who the most famous little inmate was there. Charles Manson once stayed there.

[@nicholasshade]

This upload is GREAT. GREAT like a TIGER.🌻🖤

[@F417H]

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[@seanscott7070]

Great like Frosted Flakes..

[@wozzer2727]

I think you're dead right, when war graves are found its surprising how the skeleton is really still looking in one piece like a man should, unless the soldier was blown up or in a vehicle when killed then pulled out and buried, bones don't fully break themselves. Very good analysis!

[@surfleopard]

Yes, Ruby Pearl testified she saw Manson and the guys fan out and advance on Shorty as she was pulling away from Spahn's. We know he was killed in the day. I'm convinced Manson gave the same order that he gave before the LaBianca murders-- don't panic the victim(s) this time. So Manson and co. probably relaxed Shorty and convinced him everything was cool between them. No hard feelings (Charley was a great smooth talker. Very reconciling).. So a very relieved Shea had no problem with the seemingly innocent request for a ride to get auto parts the following morning. He relaxed his guard and it cost him his life.

[@sanderssonjankins6251]

hey buddy, thanks for every damn thing ya post. love to listen to ya talk, love the shit you show off and inside baseball ya got. cheers, man.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thank you kindly I appreciate you taking time to say that Cheers to you as well.

[@leeinoregon1326]

Thanks Michael! That pic doesn't look like a full body, but it's such a bad photo who can tell?

[@MichaelsBackporch]

the other photos in there are police ones as well from the scene of the crime they clearly show it is in parts. I just wonder why they care to lie of that?

[@juanitabrooks1811]

I think they found a full body yes in 9 different places,,poor Shorty,,he got mad & started talking too much & probably owed Charlie some money,,its crazy but just my opinion 🤷 🤔

[@kevinbrady3063]

Very interesting set of fact Michael. I have not seen that movie yet but I'm now going to look around for it and enjoy it with what you have said in mind. I like Tarantino movies 👍 Peace ✌️ ☮️

[@MichaelsBackporch]

They put it on TV now that is how I seen it on television twice I enjoyed it he puts a lot of effort in the sets in it they are unreal lifelike. It is like a movie to 1969 and has a lot of influence of the crimes of Sharon Tate in it.

[@ricardocastillo5485]

I thought it wasn't that he was a snitch about TLB, he didn't know about that, it was that he was a snitch about all the other stuff, car stealing, drugs, underage girls, guns, whatever, and they thought he was responsible for police raids and kids being taken away.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

The Raid... That is like motive number 5 yes and some had said he may have known of some of the murders as well. There has been a lot of things tossed around about him.

[@shadowboxer3583]

I think so too. He just wanted the Family off the ranch, couldn't stand Manson and Manson hated him back.

[@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch]

​@@shadowboxer3583bingo!!!!

[@duanejackson6718]

even nowadays ranches tend to attract the criminal element, I've lived on a ranch for 25 years, thieves, wanted persons, pretty hardcore felons, that was ended up migrating and warming their way onto a ranch. And they bring their trouble with them from vehicle theft to assault. And through the years talking to other Ranch hands that have come through, the stuff they've gone through at other ranches is pretty similar I think the remoteness just attracts that criminal element. One Ranch Hand told me about how the other guys on the ranch were trying to kill him with the owner was gone, he somehow got away broke into the main house to get a gun, used a gun to hold the other guys at Bay so that he could get a vehicle and get away. crazy stuff.

[@bradley940]

Enjoyed this one alot I never exactly knew the exact details about Shorty what happened to him that is I always mostly find stuff on Sharon Tate and the others so this was cool to know thanks for explaining it all. Take care Michael 👍👍

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Glad you enjoyed it they hardly talk of anyone but Sharon, Hinman also gets lost in the shuffle. Thanks so much for the continued Support you give in comments and watching you are so appreciated thank you again Bradley.

[@bradley940]

@@MichaelsBackporch yeah you are right Hinman ain't mentioned much ether. You are welcome your channel My favorite on KZbin always something interesting to watch take care Michael.

[@wadetaylor1299]

Tex I bet

[@geraldrustick7966]

You sure can’t see crap in that

[@timr31908]

I think the reason Charles Manson murdered Donald Shay is because Donald Shay beat Charlie Manson up for breaking Wendy Buckley's jaw

[@shadowboxer3583]

Agree with you there. Also I believe he may have hit Manson over comments about his black wife. Shorty was separated but still loved her as love letters she kept have proven. Manson deserved every beating he got. Funny how it took four or five of those numbskulls to kill Shorty -pack of cowards.

[@timr31908]

@@shadowboxer3583 yes that's right Charlie did not like black people and he also thought shorty was snitching and telling the cops that he was stealing car and cause the raids of Barker ranch and Spahn ranch

[@shadowboxer3583]

@@timr31908 Yeah definitely-I wouldn't normally say someone like Shorty would be a snitch either. But I do think he wanted Charlie off the property. It's sad as he was probably trying to protect old George from them as well. The girls were taking "good care" of him but it was all pretty creepy.

[@kenanacampora]

Death Screams are no joke and something you cannot easily forget.

[@billyshane3804]

Detective Danny DeCarlo (Star police informant) and Sherry prove themselves to be real class acts in the long play version of that clip.

[@oliviahuff4705]

The manson family was the real skulls and bones

[@hatednyc]

Like the pictures of the raid on the Ranch where the “police” are wearing a hodgepodge of incorrect uniforms, it’s all a show.

[@deborahkelley651]

Have you ever seen the document by miles (something) that he figured it was Cia operation. He had a lot of suspicions about a lot of things. Anyways , my question is this , if this was a movie, was Charlie Manson in on it?

[@deborahkelley651]

It kind of sounds like he was, doesn't it

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

No offense to you but that “document” you refer to (which has been floating around the internet for many years) is laughable.

[@deborahkelley651]

Miles mathis

[@ROCK.ON.]

Is that semi valley sherry with danny decarlo

[@iuliannicola5715]

Yes IT is her!!

[@ROCK.ON.]

@@iuliannicola5715 anybody know what happened to her if shes still alive or what

[@ROCK.ON.]

@@iuliannicola5715 is she the girl that paul watkins talks about on manson 1973 doc about when she first got with the family how she was scared and freaking out at one of the lsd orgy freakouts

[@MichaelsBackporch]

That's the girl. She took off with Danny for awhile they went to Canada I believe got kicked out of there came back to USA and then kept a lower profile. She can possibly still be alive today yes but not sure.

[@johnnyman9513]

@@MichaelsBackporch YOU KNOW its her, you know? we know you know?

[@F417H]

Catching up 🐈 question..... Any recent information regarding Sandra Good? /22

[@jasoncravens1124]

It seems to me that they may have got his head off and maybe another part of a limb. If all you have is a machete, they were tired too. Any hunter will tell you, "all you need, to field dress most game, is a good sharp knife and the know how." if I've heard it a million times. It completely lines up with some young kids with a machete. If there were "pieces", I'd bet it was only a couple. The cop called it, he knew they'd embellished their story.

[@stardreamer5008]

Nice video, from the photos you showed, it does look like he wasnt in one piece, but why would media and coroner lie about it, like what would be their reason be to lie? IDK why they killed Shorty but I think he was maybe a rude belligerent drunk they didnt like, and I lean more toward the theory of Shorty and Ritz trying to get the family removed from the ranch so it makes sense to have him removed first. Just my opinion though. Interesting, indeed.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

They made a deal with Clem to find him and prove he wasn't chopped up so then why let Clem go? Clem only served 8 years in prison, the judge at his trial called him stupid and young. I think they took favor in Clem and he may be the one who hacked him into pieces. But who really knows?

[@stardreamer5008]

@@MichaelsBackporch Yeah if one could get the truth out of Clem, he was right there so he knows why it all went down and interestingly, he's out there right now having a good ole time playin music and Bruce sits in prison doing life and like you said where is Vance and Larry Bailey why did they go free? There's alot that hasnt been told to the public it seems. Clem could tell us what really happened and why, not only with shorty but also on the night of Labianca cause damn he was right there too, and Mary could tell us the real deal about Hinman and her son would also know, and then theres Linda who could tell us more on TLB which is all just history now so will they all just choose to take the truth with them to their own graves, only they know.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

Clem if smart will act like he don't remember as he does now I am sure. A film crew did ask him some questions not to long ago and he used that defense well I can't recall so I am sure he would use that on this too. But if he did hack this guy all up I am sure that is hard to forget, it would be for me.

[@stardreamer5008]

@@MichaelsBackporch Yeah but he's probably told somebody out there something about it, that kind of thing could be hard to keep all to yourself all them years but only he knows. Maybe after he dies, someone will speak about it. I dont believe him if he says he dont recall, I know that for sure, and same with Mary, too bad she wont tell the truth to her son, or maybe she did. Anyway its history, and I always believe history should be told honestly, wheather good or bad. Sadly, a lot of true history has been lost thru the years for whatever reason. ANyway I just wanna say that I hope you win Charlie's estate by the way because his family don't even know him or care about him more than likely. -Peace

[@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch]

They lied cause it doesn't fit into the Helter-skelter narrative that SOB Bugliosi came up with.

[@smegheadGOAT]

looks like he was hit by a train.

[@gerrywood3584]

Out to lunch never came back fell in shit house

[@MichaelsBackporch]

He could be alive with Sharon and Elvis in the Bahamas too. Who knows really.

[@JB-hl1qx]

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[@geraldrustick7966]

Well in your opinion what is Manson guilty of nothing at all I agree he was blamed for a lot that he might not have done but i also feel that he wasn’t blamed for more bad things that he might have done

[@billsmith1770]

why did they feel the need to find the body ? they had already convicted everyone that they were going to convict . no one , not even his wife claimed the body . so why make a deal with a convicted and self admitted murderer , to find a body that no one even wanted ?

[@paulhart3812]

In a 1988 interview, author Maury Terry said “Manson Family member Shorty Shea, Abigail Folger and Charles Manson had a meeting in San Francisco in Sept. 1967.” That is so dumb on so many different levels.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

So many thing Maury said, didn't he connect Manson and the Son Of Sam Killings too?

[@jpm12343]

@@MichaelsBackporch the connection between Manson and the Son of Sam killings (according to Maury Terry) was the commonality of Process Church of the Final Judgement in both instances.

[@MichaelsBackporch]

@@jpm12343 Several People tried to tied in the process church and Robert de Grimston not sure I buy any of it.

[@jpm12343]

@@MichaelsBackporch I'm not sure so I can't say yes or no on that one. There are so many tie-ins and a whole lotta synchronicities with this story. Seems the rabbit hole isn't one straight tunnel, but many tunnels that join and meet. It's all interesting, whether or not it's true.

[@sanderssonjankins6251]

@@jpm12343 several books and beaucoup claims online claim that Charlie was gabbing about the Process while incarcerated after the whole hullabaloo, a couple Process guys went down there and visited him, and he never mentioned them again. ain't seen record of what Charlie allegedly said about the Process guys, although he certainly did contribute to one of their hoodoo magazine issues. i think it's rather overblown, as weirdo and suspect as the Process Church of the Final Judgement was/is (hello Best Friends Animal Sanctuary!), i would be much more interested in what ole Jolly West was up to at the clinic in Haight Ashbury, and what exactly Charlie's parole officer was thinking. it's pretty much confirmed that Berkie wasn't and couldn't have been the sole perpetrator in the so-called Son of Sam killings, and there's weirdo shit all around it, but i think Terry got taken for a ride at least a couple times.

[@Miguel-mc4ul]

Keep cashing in Mike, you never care about victims

[@ROCK.ON.]

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[@MichaelsBackporch]

Thank you so much for your continuing support it don't go unnoticed and thanks for each of them likes you are a very kind person.

[@ROCK.ON.]

@@MichaelsBackporch thanks mike allways bro

[@SekhmetSecretWeapon]

my mother 'Mary' Davis is Bruce Davis cousin from Louisiana, I believe. He looks EXACTLY like all the Davis men I grew up with around there...Houma. I don't believe they are my family of origin, though, and avoid them like the plague since at least 2012...I am scared of them. your videos are really interesting, thank you.

[@scallopohare9431]

All the attention went to Sharon Tate, this was not much written about, or otherwise put forward.

[@petermickus8688]

LOL "He got disenmembered!"

[@peggycain4790]

Do you think animals might have gotten some of the bones apart

[@shadowboxer3583]

That's always possible but the family were usually pretty happy to knife people so he probably was cut up.

[@ADayInTheLifeofMrsPerkins]

I don't like to assume...but I would surmise the officials would be able to tell if the bones where broken off from animals or using some kind of cutting instrument. Given how long Mr.Shea was left decomposing, absolutely animals got to him. Out there in the desert wild.

[@TedSmith-m4k]

Shorty Shea was a rat fink. He messed with the bull and got the horn