The Hornby 2023 Range | Full review

[@1BCamden]

Wow, Wow, Wow, it’s been so long since ZeroOne, but Hornby have really pulled one over the industry with HM7000 Thanks guys

[@alantoms3263]

The 2 stars for me are the DP1 and the streamlined B17/5 - BRILLIANT. Need to sell the family and I'll be covered!! 😇

[@paulgodwin604]

Good work Andy & Richard. One error I discovered regarding the HM7000. You reported the HM7000 R7337 Power Bank as £6.49. Presumably that came from Hornby..When I ordered one yesterday the Hornby online price was £13.99 plus £3.95 shipping! The shipping charge was despite ordering at the same time as an 8pin chip for which Hornby apply free shipping. Beware fellow purchasers!

[@lapiswake6583]

I'm assuming half of these prices are incorrect. A stanier 8f, 8-pin DCC ready, no sign of the new drawbar or any other sort of retooling, simply cannot be £255... And an 08, no lights, 8-pin socket, how is it £186? And why are the triplex 08 and 56 the same price? Will 43238 have the ferrari badge on the nose? Good to hear DP1 will have a working top headlight, although I have a bachmann sound one. Nice to hear the PO wagons now all have NEM pockets (will this include the christmas wagon?), although why are the TEA tank and PGA hoppers and PVA vans not in the railroad range? And no mention of the TfW black 67, which is listed on the hornby website but not on the hornby video either. Also wondering, can you use an adapter for the gaugemaster prodigy advance which uses RJ45s instead of RJ12? I'm actually considering going HMDC with my 7mm now... (although I'd need sound files for the 57xx/8750 and 14xx)

[@John2E0GTU]

I love the idea of Hornby sound and control in Bachmann locos!

[@rowdyperson6393]

Pathetic comments as usual

[@Ti_Daley]

The new bluetooth system could bring a possibility of dead rail, battery powered locomotives?

[@little_britain]

Oooh - yes, definitely very interesting.

[@James-Akers]

I do appreciate Hornby having a catch up year this year with the number of projects which have been delayed, good strategy especially given the circumstances surrounding China lockdowns etc. Not an awful lot in the range for me, but the TTA tanks WOW they look good, will look good in speedlink trains and in bulk formations, plus EWS managers train is tempting. Great video as ever gents. Keep up the good work and hope you enjoyed the new range launch

[@maringarvanovic8011]

Can someone answer if the EWS train is a real train. I have googled it and looked for it and nothing?.

[@James-Akers]

@@maringarvanovic8011 it is indeed. It run on the Fife Circle into 2011 I believe, using a 67 and 6-7 coaches for the full formations. Try searching EWS Managers train for some research material

[@maringarvanovic8011]

Cheers James. Yeah I just found it. Nine coaches were converted and I had to search EWS Business MK 2 and it came up. Never seen it before so might actually buy this.

[@James-Akers]

@@maringarvanovic8011 same here, think they got a look in for railtours once they were made redundant by EWS to so lots of operational potential with these

[@little_britain]

I have spent the last year, researching and experimenting with how to do DCC cheaply. From fiddling with Arduino's and Mosfets, to buying a bunch of cheap used decoders (none of them worked), trying TTS (which works but steam sync is terrible - diesel better), Hattons, Gaugemaster, even high end (LokSound). To me it sounds like HM7000 is a game changer. Similar price point to TTS, better sound, on the fly programming, sound reprogramming, affordable keep alives and other accessories. These are going to eat the low end for lunch, and eat into some of the high end too. Who doesn't want free wireless handset control? Who doesn't want to be able reprogram DCC without a programming track? Especially acceleration curves, and speed matching? Anyone ever reprogram all their locos and switches on the main by accident? Can't wait to get my hands on these.

[@robertbate5790]

Great show, thanks both. Pity they did not choose 4073 to give the GWR full livery to, as it appeared along side Flying Scotsman at the Great Empire Show in 1923. I believe the first 30 Castles had 3500gallon tenders to use up stocks until enough 4000 tenders were available. Like the GW MACAW too. Later builds had plate frame bogies and higher carrying capacity, so another version possible in future.

[@juliancarter557]

The Bluetooth looks exciting, I have been mildly following BT control on forums over the years exciting to see it appearing from a mainstream maufacturer. Looks like Hornby have started designing better decoders too with the plugin stay alive and speakers too. A pity we are still waiting an LMS black 5 release that they keep taonting us with on their stand at exhibitions though.

[@douglaskinloch6272]

Really interesting development for Bluetooth control, I've been looking at this for "dead rail" control for a planned ON30 garden layout, If I can make this go with my Bachman narrow gauge locos I'll be placing a large(ish) order. I wonder it they will be small enough for my N locos in the loft....? I just hope the pairing has been solved, the HM DC app can be flaky.

[@Coling92]

Hornby streamlined B17/5 😁😁😁😁 looking forward to that one. Have already placed a pre-order with my local John Dutfields

[@michaelcrane3327]

Also my LMS and Heather and Ken have a fantastic shop to say the least. For anyone in Essex / visiting the area I'd fully recommend a visit - one of the best stocked shops (who isn't a box shifter) in the UK

[@dougieb462]

The B17/5 is a real surprise but one wonders to whom it is aimed. if you two lads have any pull at Hornby can you suggest they produce the one LNER Pacific which no one makes. I am talking of 60113 Great Northern. Just as individual and I am sure would be just as popular as the W1.

[@FormallyknownasE100]

I share the excitement with the decoders. A real potential game changer. Hopefully it's compatible with digitrax.

[@hornbymag]

Read all the full details here: www.keymodelworld.com/hornby-new-releases @00:00 Introduction @04:29 Hornby Dublo Flying Scotsman @09:35 Hornby Playtrains @13:40 Hornby Steam Locomotives @21:07 The Centenary Big Four @23:06 The Great Gathering Hornby Dublo @26:00 Hornby B17 @30:19 Hornby Diesel Locomotives @34:43 Hornby Dublo Deltic @38:49 Hornby Coaches @40:21 Hornby Freight stock @47:30 Skaledale @50:53 Hornby Power and Control @52:00 HM7000 @57:41 Hornby Digital Sound downloads

[@rhiwderinraytube]

How many re-hashes of old locos with large price hikes can Hornby release before the public cease to buy them? Prices up and fragility up, quality doubtful.

[@harrytodhunter5078]

I know right! £84 for an L&YR Pug from 1999, honestly insulting from Hornby.

[@johnmckegney9109]

- and £54 for a dumpy freelance 0-4-0T…!!!

[@maringarvanovic8011]

I'm pretty sure that the Pug is the ex Dapol one from long before then. With no development costs how much does that really cost to make?. It cannot be more than £10 can it?.

[@Trainskitsetc]

@@johnmckegney9109 spam egg spam spam beans and spam for £1.

[@gregmacdonald927]

I’m a bit confused over the HM7000. Some reports are saying that you still do need a dcc base station for sound to work. Can you confirm this? If so, do the new Scotsman and Easterner TT sets with the chips built in not actually work for sound, only bluetooth operation?

[@little_britain]

There is no reason to require a base station. These chips can work with DCC over the wire (conventional with base station) and DCC over BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy). They will work better using bluetooth (as the signal will not be dependent on power, and power can be bridged with the keep-alives). The only open question I still have is whether they will provide sound on traditional DC (like my LokSound controller does).

[@peterstiles6921]

the HM7000 does not need a "DCC base station". it just needs a decent voltage and amperage of electricity to the track...

[@MrVorpalsword]

Non-railway modeller or particular train buff here, but didn't the Flying Scotsman (et al) have a much more visible (taller) step up to the cab roof behind the whistles (or whatever the valves are) from the top of the curved top of the firebox when it was first built? The TT scale model DOES show this first shape whereas the OO model is anachronistic with its early tender ........ (or am I wrong?)

[@MrMattMWH]

An awful lot of Collector items destined for Cabinet displays. I guess this is where the market has gone :(

[@diswalker30]

Still no MK1 FO's in Intercity Charter livery, they did the brake coach so why not the rest?

[@lonelysignalbox]

When the hell is the Hornby standard 2mt coming into stock? Were entering year 3/4??? Since it was announced

[@redversb2347]

HM7000 sounds very innovative. Maybe great option for people starting out, but at £70 each would cost a few thousand to convert my fleet - so still prohibitive cost-wise.

[@ar4498]

When is Hornby going to Mallard as preserved today? Crest on side and museum shine.

[@MikeParkin65]

Another cracking video presentation - love the genuine enthusiasm and utter lack of cynicism.

[@marksinthehouse1968]

The London transport sentinel DL81 I lived next to Lillie bridge P way depot next to the west London line in the mid seventies and from my top floor of my block you could see into the yard it was in the shadow of Earl’s Court exhibition centre and the empress state tower that’s still there but Earl’s Court centre demolished and Lille bridge is either closing or used to stable S stock for the district line ,Also I like the look of the streamlined B17 😮,all the best to you both Mark 👍🏻😊

[@modelrailwaynoob]

I bought my grandkids a lot of Playtrains for Christmas including both trains, extra controller and all the track extention packs. They love it. However when trying to make up layouts for the boys, this showed a gap in the sets in that half and quarter straights are needed. The sets are too limited without it. I wrote to marketing but as usual, no-one was professional enough to give me the courtesy of a reply. Not having these two additional straights will limit the life of these sets. Without the track additions, I won't buy any more locos because the boys will get fed up of it. Love the new chips and hope they turn out as good as they seem. There are some locos I will buy but I don't see the point of replacing like for like. The magnetic couplings look very useful, expecially for younger modellers. Good job on kepping up with Lion era stuff. Good idea not making too much this year. I would dump the J36 in khaki. The ROD didn't use khaki locos in France. It didn't happen. In black it would be perfect.

[@SprattyHeath]

£403 for a DCC sound fitted Intercity Executive HST... Yeah, absolutely no chance...

[@maringarvanovic8011]

I have 7 sets of their HSTs but not only have I not bought a new one for 2 years I have also cancelled buying them. The Blue Pullman kept going up in price and the last 2 years the price makes no sense. So the normal ones with no sound are about £360. But they sold the dummy on its own for £80 meaning the powered one is £280!. Or another way to look at it is 2 dummys cost £160 so the one motor is £200!. I think I am right in saying that Motors cost no more than what, £20?. None of it adds up and no Diesel is worth £280.

[@SprattyHeath]

@@maringarvanovic8011 Yeah their pricing policies are all over the place.

[@Keyswiz71]

£320.99 for an A4? Still I guess the cost of living crisis isn't effecting everyone; however in the words of Dragons Den, I'm out!

[@EtonieE25]

I thought the same with the Scotsman @ over £320 quid! 😳😳😳😳 I think the good ol’ golden days of charging £££is will soon be over🤔

[@LetsGoExploring24]

WHAT!!!!!🤬🤬🤬

[@Whizzy-jx3qe]

@@PeggyDez How much does it cost to manufacture a £320.99 A4 die cast model in China?

[@keithdoherty8809]

Hornby should NOT be charging for the catalogue

[@keithdoherty8809]

They have always charged for it the company are just a cash cow and over charge at every point - The deserve to fail again imho !

[@stephenriley9084]

Nice job, Graham! Regards, Stephen.

[@learningoogauge3452]

So why is there a new TFW 67020 on their site, but not announced in the lineup?

[@hornbymag]

There has been a few last minute changes

[@aberfordwest4003]

Looking forward to the mackaw bolster, but it’s a pity the Caerphilly castle is so expensive, I love that locomotive

[@distinctlyaveragecyclist]

The only thing of interest for me this year is the SPT (Strathclyde) DMU pack that I fondly remember travelling on as a teenager. I'm seeing it for £121 - which for modern day Hornby is incredible value.

[@andrewverden7965]

Bluetooth: looks good but my concern would be how many locos you could simultaneously control at once from a single phone as the phone has to connect to each loco individually. But I think it would be great for a garden railway with battery powered locos.

[@Mark-ey3ik]

Australia says hi

[@nathantudor5763]

I can vouch for this. We do indeed say this

[@simonvancoevorden295]

Crikey. there are some grumpy people out there! I love these guys podcasts. If you can do better have a go . I don’t model British outline (German N scale ) but find all model Railway vlogs interesting. Greetings from Western Australia

[@jibbsey]

No mention of Railroad range? At least they are somewhat reasonably priced...

[@benzinapaul7416]

Great review but with these prices I'm in the used market for the forseeable future

[@Trainskitsetc]

Come on over to the kit/scratch building space, we have more variety and sense of reward, you won't end up with the same product everyone else has, you'll have your loco you built. ;) imagine getting to say you made that, rather than you paid for it.

[@andrewstevenson5449]

DCC Guy Larry Puckett(?) demonstrated bluetooth decoders by Soundtrax last year, so it's not new tech. But hopefully a big manufacturer like Hornby getting involved might bring prices down, not to mention improve availability.

[@maringarvanovic8011]

I have been with Hornby since 1977 and I remember flicking through their catalogues every year. However this is the first year where I have looked and there is not a single item I would like, want or will be buying. I collect modern with preserved steam and there is nothing here for me. EWS business train maybe but I cannot find it being a real train. TTA wagons, too expensive and nothing wrong with Bachmanns ones. Yet again no new modern wagons. It's like they have given up on them.

[@jamesmorgan3623]

HM7000 make sense I guess - it's what lego have been doing for a few years and works well.

[@edwardmills6456]

Re Streamlining of B17, southern mocked up a school's class locomotive with streamlining ? Next year hornby !

[@AndrewJohnson-ur3lw]

The Bluetooth is similar to the Soundtraxx Blunami

[@stevedoggart2805]

Brilliant stuff lads, but once again they're pricing them out side my price range .

[@ianb.2871]

The train on platform HM7000 will next be taking voice commands via Alexa, Siri, and Google...

[@thebritfarmer]

Flying Scotsman with double tender - ERA 8 ???

[@christoph7395]

Oh wow. 65330.

[@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494]

thank god hornbys brought out some flying scotsman models i was really struggling to find one

[@LNER985]

You are not funny and continue to be a joke.

[@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494]

@@LNER985 here's 5p for the call cry to someone who cares

[@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494]

@@LNER985 i think what you really meant to say was boo hoo you don't blow smoke up hornbys ass so i'll cry till everyone listens

[@welshknight1456]

How can most people enter into the hobby with these high prices?

[@aberfordwest4003]

There’s no castle sound but there’s a new castle??? Kinda annoying i really wanted sound for my lode star

[@BladeRunner21577]

Very disapointed not to see the missing pride livery coaches.

[@Kaname1981]

Wow how much !!!!! I’ll stick with the locomotives I’ve got thanks

[@davidmathie9512]

Re hash of some old locos .Prices are eye watering , in a time of a cost of living crisis .Also quality is poor

[@LNER985]

Hornby's quality isn't poor.

[@colinmeredith7114]

How much....????? Their 'avin' a turkish mate!!!!

[@andrewdking]

A new one on me that, but I'm guessing Turkish Bath = Laugh ?

[@paredding]

Hornby should just hand their 2023 launch videos to you guys; far more clarity without Kohlers atrocious narration and hyperbolic archaic sales style...Hornby's staggering prices continue (no doubt to fund shareholder returns) - compare their prices to the VFM in the new Accurascale Class 92 with DCC Sound, active pantos and highly detailed cab light illumination. And whilst as an engineer, can understand there can be issues BUT to postpone the Coronation coaches by at least a year is very disappointing and poor (design) resource planning by Hornby.

[@LetsGoExploring24]

Are we getting the 2 missing pride flag coaches for the pride 390

[@johnoneill5661]

Hornby are just taking the piss with the price and lack of quality. Accurascale can produce their super detailed models and sell them for a hell of a lot less than hornby despite being a much much smaller company so obviously they don’t have the negotiating power of a big company like hornby but are consistently cheaper and far better quality. Hornby are charging brand new Porsche prices and producing second hand Austin allegros.

[@LNER985]

Lies.

[@anthoneyking6572]

Thats a Joke so what we to do scrap all the Decoders we Spent tons on so we have the New Hornby I Don't think so they could of made Proper trains instead with working bogies ??in stead of Fake cast ones

[@hornbymag]

The HM7000 works with any current decoder too.

[@andrewcalladine2507]

Looks like the new system works with current decoders.

[@peterforden5917]

Hornby was once reasonably priced and built , now? not so much! £320 for a model deltic? £209 (bar a penny) for a 30(?) year old steam engine , no way will I ever lay out my money with them as a manufacturer they are treating their customers wth an arrogance that is astounding, they must think we are all idiots and morons, their top man may have german surname but hornby isnt fleischmann (though it uses German designed parts from Fleischmann ..and still manages to make them badly)or Roco or Märklin all of whom make superbly built models of the Highest quality and have a loyal following , because they know quality when they see their models in motion,.They've lost a customer in me forever ,but they wont worry because they think there are still a lot of suckers out there. Are there? perhaps its time to stop buying Hornby instead of just mouthing off Hornby only listen when when their bank balance is threatened, I for one wouldnt mourn if they went Bankrupt because of their money grabbing insulting ways.

[@LNER985]

Clearly, you don't want to support the hobby.

[@peterforden5917]

@@LNER985 märklin's cheapest diesel starts at around £80 at a roughly similar priced( to the Deltic) can buy a superbly detailed Swedish diesel or or German ,Norwegian Danish model ALL with factory fitted decoder ,I do support the hobby, but Athearn in the USA makes a nice F7 for an rp of roughly £130 so why would I want to near bankrupt myself or an over pricedHornby produc ?

[@peterforden5917]

As an afterthought It seems to me that it is Hornby that is not supporting the hobby, it is in fact milking the hobby for all it's worth !!

[@LNER985]

@@peterforden5917 Hornby is supporting the hobby.

[@ghnparanormalinvestigation3733]

prices are unreal is hornby riping people off i would rather buy pre owned

[@peterheath9002]

Too much initial repeated waffle; wasted time!

[@martinpattison1567]

This is all great news from Hornby, but they are going to have to prove that the system is reliable and long-lasting. I like the new B17 with the streamlined body. I will follow this new system very carefully as my layout will be DC I will still have dropper wires, but not on every piece of track. I was a bit confused if it required 12v or 15v. so would I be able to power the track and then just put a Bluetooth Loco on and off it will go? Martin. (Thailand) 🚉🚋🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃

[@damiendye6623]

Yes, the decoders like all DCC take 9v to 19v