The Hyperbolic Geometry of DMT Experiences (@Harvard Science of Psychedelics Club)

[@notpletch3914]

Very captivating and well formulated. We need to have jamie pull this up.

[@smoketimesee7584]

😂😂 not many get this joke

[@Modelo654]

😂😂😂

[@patricklaureys1249]

Jamie, google hyperbolic geometry of DMT experiences (takes a swig of bourbon and drags on his Cuban cigar).

[@AbgezocktXD]

@@patricklaureys1249 How often do YOU think about Dimethyltr..

[@patricklaureys1249]

@@AbgezocktXD Every morning when I try to remember my dreams. :)

[@coochyskwerts2687]

I love how Tim Leary got kicked out of Harvard because of psychedelics and now there's a club about them lol.

[@SpaceCadetLaC]

Well thats not the whole story now is it ;)

[@randomdude189]

Some lady bombed the White House, bill Clinton pardoned her and she’s now the head of b l m... lol indeed

[@coochyskwerts2687]

@@SpaceCadetLaC Very true

[@b.g.5869]

There was a club about them then too. They were legal and probably would have stayed legal if Leary didn't scare the public. He was a jackass.

[@SpaceCadetLaC]

@@b.g.5869 You dont really believe that do you? Its not Learys fault, the american gov is to blame for spreading fearand misinformation. They dont like that we drop a tab and say "hey mr.suitman why the hell should i listen to you." Leary only did what most of us do witch is feel compelled to tell and share with others the experience of phycedelia.

[@robertidonotsharemyfullnam496]

do i actually live in a world where intelligent people experiment with psychedelic substances ? i might be tripping. there might be hope yet for this world!

[@thephuntastics2920]

There are many, just that you wont find us tripping balls in public, but rather at home or in the lab. Side note: i have yet to meet someone with a very strong psychedelic background that wasnt extremely intelligent / wise and eloquent.

[@shpongled587]

the dummies are strung out on meth and booze... or Jesus and such for that matter

[@prodforeign3002]

thePhuntastics lol try going back to highschool

[@voyager360360]

they may lose their intelligence after a psychedelic experience and lose the plot but usually regain their mind in a renewed reborn light after a few months.

[@tra129iscool]

A person who took dmt would never insult someone for belief.

[@ZaneEckols]

I'm so happy to see that seriously intelligent people are studying and analyzing other realms and psychedelic experiences :)

[@jmike2039]

There isnt another 'realm' its investigation of the experience.

[@raymondlopresti796]

Last thing we need is these nerds at Harvard who want to control the world and are funded by the CCP to control the DMT, while we are kept in silence and getting 25 to life for having some

[@randalthor6872]

The elites are none too pleased! lol

[@randalthor6872]

@@raymondlopresti796 You are red-pilling people! That's illegal! ; P Seriously though, all of our ruling-class elites know about these mysterious substances. They guard them jealously with secret fraternal-societies and other cultish behaviors. It's interesting to see that the internet allowed bumbling explorers like my man Terrence Mckenna to spread his message far and wide, breaking through the seclusion barriers.

[@Cho0segoose]

@@jmike2039 explain how everyone experience the same things and same entities. Don't just make a statement whne we dont know

[@juttaclemons5002]

Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 4/12/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.

[@rhysreid9302]

It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..

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​@@vickiebeaver6843 How can I locate him? If he's on IG?

[@rhysreid9302]

​​​@@michaellesniak1310Yeah he's dr.jeffshroom❤

[@bizffatar5824]

​​@@rhysreid9302I really get happy anytime I see people talking about Dr jeffshroom, he is the best All pure psychedelic and shrooms I get from him

[@max_mittler]

As Terence McKenna always said, the psychedelics are about boundary breaking. Softening the boundary between our conscious and unconscious minds, between our imagination and reality, between our rational mind fed by sensory input and the invisible underlying structure of nature. And importantly, softening the boundary between ourselves and the rest of the universe. That is where geometry comes into play. We recognize high order organizational structures as clues to a more complex scientific understanding, so the psychedelic aims to show us that there is more to the world than there seems, by showing us that there is geometry and other complex organizational structures within every system, micro and macro throughout the universe.

[@joanneceo6523]

@MaxMittler What a great post and great words about Terence relacionado to this video.

[@alexkorami6679]

Please this goes deeper in exposing the dangers of doing DMT *Not for the faith hearted. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2mZqoKmns1mm6s

[@1ntrcnnctr608]

"drugs will be more like computers, computers more like drugs" comes into mind here. the more i learn, the more i realize we have it mostly the "wrong way": we actually want to suffer, n when we see "death" as a specific point in Time, we really "die every day a little". or what would u do, if u could do anything u want w no effort whatsoever? it would get boring n dull after some Time in ur harem n chocolate factory, wouldnt it? as breathing "in", think breathing "out". or think "falling", w no floor in sight. the mind is matter from within - after all, the air "space" is matter too or molecules we measure - so why should it be different w the energy/frequencies of the mind? makes also sense, when thinking about how we cant touch anything really, due to electromagnetism. also because mind & body r like nested into each other, being inseparable (-> individuum). i wonder: the sound to form language itself is a language, isnt it? i still have/want to get on a journey to under/over/innerstand. wen Plato v2?

[@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL]

That proves there’s a supreme intelligence that created everything, the fact that there’s geometry/math in everything shows that. The Big Bang is an erroneous theory and so is evolution

[@1ntrcnnctr608]

@@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL when we all could come to the point to realize that, maybe the 0/cycle completes? (again?) yup, feels like for example Michio Kaku basically is repeating the same nonsense over n over again. kinda in a loop or spirale - hey, maybe he finds a way to make a spring out of it.

[@AmstradExin]

The sound quality is a DMT Experience of its own.

[@leozabo7251]

😆

[@amouramarie]

My kingdom for a lapel mic D:

[@JohnChristopher-jq1ef]

started smoking since my teenage. Got addicted to cocaine. Also suffered severe depression and mental illness. It's just amazing how psilocybin mushrooms treatment actually saved my life. 3 years clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms

[@JordanRodgers-ei5wu]

​@FernandoLucas-cy9wpI've been looking to try shrooms for depression, just very difficult to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need! 0:05

[@LynneStoner]

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[@JosephRichard-zo6wf]

​@FernandoLucas-cy9wpPsychedelics made me quit a lot of bad habits and gave me a more positive outlook on life and the appreciation for other people 0:05

[@DestinyDonald-vc3cm]

​@@LynneStonerIs he on insta? 0:18

[@MichaelLucos]

​@@DestinyDonald-vc3cmYes he's d.johnsonshroom 0:04

[@matt-stam]

6:05 picture of lettuce "you've never seen anything like this before" This man knows I haven't been eating salad.

[@inphinitezero5499]

LMAO

[@matt-stam]

At 6:24 he does it again with CAULIFLOWER Is this man just fucking with us this entire presentation?

[@steezy-bmx6263]

Lmao yeah bro that definitely lettuce🤦🏽‍♂️

[@AnCapCat]

Im high as fuck and dying at this comment

[@Artesahbi]

Hahahahaha

[@MNJGaGa]

I never liked geometry so much untill I was blessed by shrooms and DMT.

[@playgroundofsound7683]

U tried them both simultaneously?

[@TheSeakr]

@@playgroundofsound7683 I doubt that's their implication , but would make the comment even more interesting

[@playgroundofsound7683]

@@TheSeakr im experienced with lsd. But dmt worries me

[@wiseguy9202]

@@playgroundofsound7683 its definitely way different as I'm sure you know. I liked LSD but DMT was a bit much.

[@thomascampbell6374]

@@playgroundofsound7683 DMT is not that scary, and pretty easy to extract from mimosa hostillis bark. The evaporation of ego and disolving into the universe is a 5 meo dmt thing. Both are useful, but if it scares you, the Ayahuasca preparation of dmt with a natural maoi comes on more gradual and lasts much longer. Prepare for a pretty good vomit session though. I think the scariest part of smoking dmt for the first time is the profound astonishment, its hard to get your bearings and then its over. I think I prefer mushrooms over all the others though, good luck!

[@christophergunlock6931]

So this is what happens when harvard geniuses smoke DMT. I'm intrigued.

[@bryanebert8925]

Lol whattup Chris

[@A1M8E7]

psychotronik13 so thats why my DMT experiences were disappointing

[@manw3bttcks]

@psychotronik13 Yoda?

[@patrickn8355]

@@tatteredbannerproductions8484 I can understand your point of view, but depending on what philosophical or theological viewpoint one has, the geometry and math if it all can explain a lot of the unknowns as it could explain our place in the universe realizing we are just codes in a massive program and the ability to realize that transforms everything if you believe it

[@arminutreras2694]

They are not geniuses

[@BenAnderson-mg4hu]

I suffered the borderline disorder for over 23 years. With so much anxiety Not until I came across psilocybin mushrooms treatmentPsilocybin treatment actually saved my life honestly. 6 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms 0:08

[@ThomasOlivia-dy5wi]

Microdosing helped me get out of the pit of my worst depressive episode, a three year long episodeenough to start working on my mental health 0:0

[@marshalpeters]

Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate itMany people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in NYC. Really need

[@Phillip-hy5cz]

​@@marshalpetersdr.johnsonshroom is your guy. Best shrooms and psychedelics guy I know. 0:02

[@JosephRichard-zo6wf]

they saved you from death bud, lets be honest here. and mushrooms are one of the most amazing things on this planet i wish people would all realize. they could solve a lot of problems, more than just mental treatments, environmental clean up; the possibilities are endless with fungus 0:02

[@JesseScott-pc3kb]

How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta? 0:04

[@hieronymusbosch8817]

to the kid who asked the question about hearing Beethoven through radio static around 57:00 , look up MES (Musical Ear Syndrome). It's an affliction in which a person's brain hears chaotic noise and attempts to arrange it based on a library of memorized aural features. I have it and will hear classical music through fans or modular synths from ambient electrical buzzing and sometimes hushed talking if the conditions are right. It occurs more commonly in people with tinnitus.

[@painmt651]

After ingesting 7grams of psilocybin containing mushrooms, I met with my “older self” and was told that I already have all of the important answers. That I only need to integrate the knowledge and wisdom into EVERYDAY ACTIONS. The rest would sort itself out.

[@Andre-ee6gc]

Had similar experiences with ayahuasca like i have my own answer, just need to apply it in reality

[@Elric54]

That's a great platitude, but did your older self list the important answers? Or did you become aware of the important answers at that point, and can you list them here?

[@brandonjennen3673]

@@Elric54 thats not how it works u just have to try

[@miltonplatypus2217]

i gained knowledge every time i did mushrooms its so interesting

[@clintgolub1751]

That sounds virtually identical to Carl Jung’s “Shadow Work”: i.e. you have to integrate the worst aspects of yourself with your conscious identity to become a whole and fully healthy human being. The answers to our most fundamental questions lie within each and everyone of us; something many native American tribes seemed to intuitively understand in their ancient belief systems.

[@martialwoods-gy5tb]

I overcame my addiction with the help of mushrooms and dmt

[@AlexMile-lt6jg]

Research shows that psilocybin mushrooms have promising results for mental health support, particularly in reducing symptoms of depression, anxiety and PTSD.

[@jessieclark-r5e]

How to get em?

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dr.martinshrooms is the perfect fit for your needs

[@WarrenRyan-uy5ko]

Can he be on Instgram?

[@Arthur_james-cx5rv]

Yes. That’s his name

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

When I woke up this morning I can say with 100% certainty that watching a video where a guy talks about hyperbolic kale was not on my todo list

[@shawnparker1207]

yet you tube knows

[@bullzdawguk]

Odd. I woke up late this afternoon because I don't do mornings, with a deep sense that hyperbolic kale was in my destiny. I was right! So pleased I instructed one of my PA's to add it to my todo list. lmao!

[@SWIM5QUAD]

@@bullzdawguk you might've predicted LSD like Magellan. obviously joking

[@bullzdawguk]

@@SWIM5QUAD Tell me about it. Do you know, I've predicted my own death? I don't know when it will happen. But, I do know it will happen. lmao!

[@UbiDoobyBanooby]

I read your comment then jumped to a random point of the video and he starts talking about kale. Lol

[@alejrandom6592]

my first lsd experience got me reeeaally interested in math, how it appears so perfectly in nature, hexagons, fractals, golden ratio...

[@rubyduma6238]

How does Saturn have a giant hexagon on the North Pole of the gas giant?

[@stolenlaptop]

You find what you look for.

[@jettavr6power]

Beautiful! While on psilocybin mushrooms I saw a vibrant icey blue flower of life radiating from snow on the ground.

[@Succit_ez]

@@rubyduma6238 saturn is nothing more than an eye itself, hence eye worship worldwide

[@nicetrymate813]

Same man! I was studying Business and Culture and I'm looking to move into mathematics because of acid hahaha

[@johnnysandiegoable]

This video combined with the article probably explained more of the dmt trip than all the trip reports I’ve read which is a lot. The levels, with the doses! Now I know I landed squarely in the Magic Eye. The symmetry hotel is a great explanation too. I find it interesting that I had an experience of divine consciousness on level three rather than level six; perhaps it was just a foretaste? Truly informative, this is what psychonauts need to hear

[@thephuntastics2920]

Exactly, research like this help finding proper vocabulary to remove misunderstanding. Especially when realized that it is not dmt exclusive. All psychedelics can lead to that experience. I work with ketamine and i could practically make the identical presentation about the ketamine experience. So its not unique to a molecule, but a natural phenomena - reality .

[@regerbryan]

Some misinterpret some grandeur but if it helps you it helps you

[@sn-xq2gg]

@@thephuntastics2920 My first DMT trip was a full circle moment from my first ketamine out of body experience, During the ket OBE I was led around the gardens of versailles by this cloaked white figure who was like a diamond shape and it was like glowing so I couldn’t make out exact details but I could tell it was made up of a bunch of tiny other diamonds if that makes sense ♦️ like that the shape not actual rock, but then my first dmt trip I loved the lifetime out of that diamond shaped figure

[@drblaneyphysics]

@@thephuntastics2920 yes, and maybe that natural phenomena is the universes within our pineal gland (or something :D ) although i have heard terrence say DMT was visual, LSD not so much. so it may vary with the individual?

[@seans8468]

I call them jeweled floating slices of pizza, I ended up in an interdimensional shopping mall full of these things, complete with massage chairs. I was gawking and one popped in my face with a british bobby hat and said"what are you doing here" and it made me snap back out of it into cartoon reality. Beautiful experience, first time I tried extraction and vaporizing dmt.

[@grasshopperweb]

Coming from a machine learning type perspective it almost sounds like all visual filters are firing regardless of visual input. Like if we are looking at a square in a sober state our "circle" or "triangle" filters may not fire their signals further down the visual system, but on DMT it sounds like they fire regardless of not getting the appropriate input. The result would be seeing all possible shapes simultaneously and then the deeper visual system does it's best to put them together which might explain the constant moving, shifting, rearranging of the shapes as the brain starts to try to understand these newfound hyper-shapes and what they could possibly represent. I've never actually had the DMT experience but this lecture has definitely been the most compelling argument I've heard to try this in a controlled setting of some kind.

[@jeffreydwightryanriley8308]

Look at the symptoms of “serotonin syndrome”. It’s like a temporary bout of serotonin syndrome. It’s serotonin receptors being overloaded.

[@lucas.hahn2027]

Im 12 and have been very fascinated with quantum physics and neuroscience; psychedelics, meditation,philosophy, and the spiritual world fit right in!

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[@aridian6988]

data scientist engineer teaching a lecture on DMT... goals

[@driftinaz3158]

cringe

[@megapure4667]

@@driftinaz3158 How is this cringe? It's a man explaining a hobby of his to like-minded individuals? According to DriftinAz doing and sharing your interests with the world is "Cringe".

[@sircartier4422]

@@megapure4667 theyre scared to be one with the aliens

[@wes7bg]

​@@megapure4667 the cringiest thing is to see someone super cringe saying 'cringe'

[@crossingn6451]

lol i like the zoom in for privacy when asking whose tried the psychedelics

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[@bjh3661]

My recollection of amnesia level: no notion of ever being human or even alive. Pure instantaneous experience with no awareness whatsoever. An infinite moment. Singularity. Annihilation of mind. A kind of death. No insight. Total nakedness. I became panicky towards the peak but it subsided quickly. Does time itself become hyperbolic at the amnesia level, perhaps? Great lecture.

[@teodorbirsan5036]

did you have nndmt or 5meo dmt?and what dose did you take

[@teodorbirsan5036]

also,on a scale 1-10 , 10 being terror in purest form and 5 going on an important exam knowing you learned nothing ,how afraid were you?

[@bjh3661]

​@@teodorbirsan5036 ​Great question, Teodor. It was 5meo dmt from the toad venom. I was in safe company with a shamen and friends, but I must admit I was nervous, even though I have experience of tripping with other substances such as LSD, Psilocybin and Ayahuasca. I inhaled for as long as I could, possibly a minute? I don't remember exhaling, so the dose remains a mystery. I don't recall anything of the experience until the end. I guess I panicked because I was slowly becoming aware of my situation and vulnerability and I was suddenly awake, but incredibly intoxicated. I woke with tears on my face. I don't remember why. The group were with me and the shamen was looking kindly into my eyes - I saw his ancestors smiling through his expression. My notion in that instant was that they were his family. I think the group had been singing and soothing me while I was unconsious. On a scale of one to ten I would say a nine or ten for a few moments but very quickly passing to zero again. After the event, I was struggling to walk for 20 minutes and my mind was completely silent for a few hours. I wanted that state of bliss to continue of course but normal thoughts returned before long. Would I do it again? In the right situation, I would. But some time after the trip I confidently said "I never need to do this again. That was IT. Ten times more intense than the strongest acid trip I have ever done". I hope that answers any questions you might have. I wish you safety and peace of mind. Benjamin

[@teodorbirsan5036]

@@bjh3661 thank you for the explanation Benjamin! Are you not eager to try a smaller dose (to achieve the higher breakthrough)so that you can recall something from your trip?In your opinion what is more profound/special/interesting to feel :the singularity or the incomprehensible geometry of the higher dimensions?

[@ericpoirier1999]

U experience the silence

[@ChrisSudlik]

This is absolutely fascinating, I don't have a ton of experience on DMT but I've got plenty on LSD, it's analogues, psilocybin and it's analogues, and the frame I've processed my hundreds of trips through is that of engineering control systems enhanced through the lens of neuroscience & machine learning algorithms. I definitely recognize the dimensionality of space as psychedelic dose increases, as well as the chaos/turbulence aspects of the experiences I've had. You mention difficulty with control - this is where control systems has something to offer. Psychedelics are a lot of energy thrust on our mental systems, a lot of the visuals have to do with the propagation of signals through the circuitry of our visual cortex and the differences in processing under the influence. You can get stuck in literal circuit loops within the brain that are self reinforcing, you can have too much energy to process and break out of local structures completely, collapsing them (ego death on non-dmt psychedelics), or you can have systems and structures for processing that efficiently. I would be wildly interested in quantifying the control system terminology in the context of various psychedelic experiences in combination with the language of dimensionality and turbulence. Tools from psychology, from neurology provide a lot of methods applicable in this, and framed with in the context of the dispersion of energy (which some great theories on evolution and it's relationship to thermodynamics definitely suggest is a vital part of the issue) could be the early developments of tools for navigating this space.

Fantastic comment! It agrees a lot with my latest video (on my channel), which is more specifically about how to develop a language for psychedelic experiences with an emphasis on compounds like LSD. I think it has a lot of overlap with what you are saying 🤠

[@ChrisSudlik]

@ Watching it now, excellent!

[@theinfjgoyim5508]

Your frame seems incredibly boring and basic. It is kind of sad.

[@saber1992]

Anyone else find it interesting that the levels coincide with the dimensions you see. Threshold; black and white 1st dimension, Chrysanthemum; flat shapes of color 2nd dimension, Magic eye; 3d shapes 3rd demension, Waiting room; the bending of time and space the 4th dimension, breakthrough; the 5th dimension unconceivable to us but has infinite geometry.

[@bungieflute]

and then there is Kenny Rogers wait , that is the First Dimension , The 5th dimension is Dawning of the Age of Aquarious, chalez holmes )();}0>

[@NihilisticRealism]

gross oversimplification

[@uv10100]

I find it crazy that the human mind is capable- and I stress capable (it not in the substance)- to have an intuitive sense of hyperbolic space. Maybe it's some kind of locked apptitude we have but rarely use because we live in euclidean perceived space.

[@efleishermedia]

That's what I think is the main takeaway from psychedelics. The structuring and restructuring of the interface and reality itself kind of opens up a real bizarre can of worms. One example I found interesting is that these guys mentioned the effects of sound--I think sound is coalescing in these geometries as well, which is why we experience delay-like and reverberation qualities. You could have a lot of fun with Ableton or something experimenting. Animal Collective has been utilizing this sound space a long time now and they do it amazingly

[@David-gp3fd]

That's cause we as consciousness live in quantum reality hilbert space and these brain interfaces are just an illusion

[@connorcriss]

@@efleishermedia for hyperbolic space in particular you don't even need psychedelics. Just be into math lol

[@connorcriss]

To be fair, all hyperbolic structures can be projected into euclidean structures. Just get a sense for how the transformation affects movements and it's not too difficult to translate between them. The human mind is absolutely terrible at imagining higher dimensions intuitively.

[@glowingdawn9179]

Massachusetts Institute of Tryptamines

[@curtroche5968]

Good to know a group of really smart people at a really powerful institution have gotten their hands on this

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[@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航]

Impressive that you've mapped out the visual experience at different stages. We need more of this kind of work!

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[@drewtube420]

Wow!!! I have so much to say idk where to start. 1 st THANK YOU! I never heard of hyperbolic geometry, Ive been trying to explain the moving shapes. I finally can! I have been trying to make sense of what happened for over a year now, since the 1st time time I ignorantly tried it and had no idea what I was getting my self into and I hit it as hard as I could twice. I then passed out, I thought, but my friend said I sat up straight and didnt move a muscle the whole time. So,,, Instantly after holding the 2nd hit in I heard this noise like a computer malfunctioning and it felt like I was falling outta my body at light speed in total darkness. The 1st thought that came to my mind was shiiit!!!! I just killed myself and this is what happens when u die. I was terrified!!! but happy at the same to know theres something else. Then the shapes "some exactly like the ones u show" started appearing while I was still falling": they were in 4D and moving so fast and changing into different shapes so fast I couldnt make them all out. Not all were circular, some looked exactly like 4D moving mandalas. Then the shapes disappeared and I was going through a tunnel where the walls had all different kinda moving parts. It finally lead to some kinda mass chaos then I all the sudden opened my eyes and realized I was alive and felt much better until,,,, I looked at my friend and he looked like a block figure made by a cheap computer I instantly closed my eyes out of total fear , then there was a feeling as if I been here before, then these weird shapes with an intelligence where there and it felt like they were telling me I shouldnt be here. Im gonna end it at that. but there is alot more. You said to email you if this scared anyone and I fit this bill, It gets scarier every time I tried it since and I see the same shapes every time " which doenst make any sense to me cause Ive done alot of acid and shrooms and its NEVER the same. I couldnt find your email but I would love to be a part of this cause I was a die hard atheist and this has assured me there is something else. It changed my life. Please send me a reply or message me on my you tube and I will give you my number. If not thank you for the work you are doing!!!

[@maxvlaarhoven]

You should Google his name! You'll surely find his email!

[@nicetrymate813]

hahahah this should be top comment XD

[@samuelj.rivard]

@Drew's Stuff well i would be really interested at reading or hearing more about your experiences!

[@vrfitnessandgaming3234]

That sounds u heard is like taking a plastic bag and crumbling it in your hands right before u take off and physical reality breaks apart into the spirit realm . its fucking beautiful and of course that knowing feeling of being there before and knowing the answers to everything.

[@drewtube420]

@@vrfitnessandgaming3234 Yes. that is a good way to explain the sound. IDK about the answers to everything though. This has just left me with a ton more questions then anything else.

[@dabrownone]

Recognizing the hyperbolic geometry (at times what i felt was also an almost infinite dimensional space) is one of the many surprises i remember from various trips, and i also feel fully justified in becoming a mathematician lol

[@robertimmanuel577]

There's a guy who got hit in the head with a bat and ended up seeing patterns like these when he woke up in a coma, he then became a mathematician to illustrate or explain the visions. it's like these altered perceptions already exist in us. How is it possible, to have such precise and accurate details flow in our perceptions without any of our conscious control, or let alone seeing such patterns ever before? It's like our brain is a lot more mysterious and a lot more capable than we think it is.

[@marekbiakowski3472]

brain is quantum

[@HoovyTube]

I'm glad that psychedelics are being discusses in a more ,,objective'' way, with mathematical precision, and not how it was approached in the 1960s. I don't remember who said this, but it went something like this: ,,It's a great tragedy, that the discovery of LSD's properties was clouded by the irresponsible hedonists, who reduced it's many properties to that of heroin''. All these substances were for a long time associated with self-indulgent collage-students who say that ,,everything is connected, maaaan'. Yet, the research into these mystical substances has been renewed (despite the attempts of the Reagan and Nixon administration), and I'm excited to see where the future leads.

[@denofpigs2575]

I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation earned was contributed to, in part, by those Reagan, Nixon types to discourage their intellectual exploration.

[@masrrek5132]

Everything IS connected maaaaan

[@ericfranchi1354]

​@masrrek5v132 🤣 I was gonna respond the same. 🤣 👍👍

[@samfarrelly4766]

From firing Timothy Leary and Ram Dass in 1963 to DMT lectures in 2019... it took nearly 60 years but the world is finally changing

[@johncitizen5130]

the world is in a constant state of change, what a dumb thing to say.

[@kalbashleyaisha9348]

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[@kalbashleyaisha9348]

@@johncitizen5130 You want a psychedelic product?, contact psychdavickz he’s your best plug

[@jeff4312]

Its mostly because they were banging undergrads...

[@kristinabliss]

​@@johncitizen5130 Obviously this comment meant changing in terms of accepting these experiences as worth serious consideration. It would be best if you keep dumb.

[@TomTomLo1]

Jesus, this is terrifying. I feel like I've been to these places without drugs, during extreme fever and waking hallucinations when I was a kid. Not sure I want to go back there.

[@afroninja234ya]

go back

[@zbnmth]

Just know it is your brain glitching out, getting overclocked in a way. There are limits that are very hard to anneal, as remarked around 44:45. No need to go back with the help of a chemical if you're cool with that.

[@smokebecomesaflameflamebec1179]

That was also dmt.The pineal gland is producing it.

[@dudenukem1594]

it may be more of a horror trip when you have bad emotions linked with it. only do it if you feel safe and have people around you that you trust. then you maybe can imagine these good emotions or thoughts get amplified just as your bad fever dreams. feeling in control is also a big thing. if you think you cannot handle it dont do it.

[@verzeda]

dont be scared of things you've never done.

[@christobalgonzalez3529]

This geometry is on the walls of religious temples

[@samuel3807]

Which exactly? Could you provide some link for reference?

[@chapelstadium1430]

@@samuel3807 Image search "gothic cathedral ceiling" for some solid examples

[@ybaos]

@@samuel3807 well try search any islamic art.

[@Seeyeay]

Because they were high as fuck

[@seans8468]

Spiritual temples*

[@eastindiaV]

I can't ever remember seeing that many patterns on DMT. The experience feels more like a zoom meeting with a spirit or entity more than anything. I've seen things like a mother holding her child, a box full of marijuana (like I saw into the future of my own life), I've seen an Aztec pyramid just rise out of the carpet... but never too many fractal patterns. The most DMT I ever did showed me a Chitinous throne room, with a machine at the center that looked like a rubix cube, constantly changing shape and color. Most of the time I end up growing plants or doing some kind of research as a result of the trip. Bipinnate leaves are the ones you want to look for, at least to start out.

[@mcdroppalog4569]

Beautiful, there is a way to explain it finally. Or AT LEAST it’s a start at developing a language to describe the experience. There is something going on behind the experience, and using math/geometry to describe it is pure beauty.

[@mcdroppalog4569]

I had to screenshot the visuals… again, this explanation is SO BEAUTIFUL!

Thank you! I'm glad you see the beauty in it 😊 I have a lot more content in my channel, if you are curious. We've gone much further in our models since this presentation 😎

[@cboogie75]

As being somewhat experienced when it comes to DMT, I can say there is definitely something to be said about an objective outlook on the experience. There must be an overall mathematical composition to the experience itself

[@drblaneyphysics]

re. the geometric complexity increasing with increasing dmt dose: it's like the error bars are opened to let in more 'recognizable patterns'. said another way, it's like the filter was removed, letting the conscious mind [1] see more sensory data, [2] include more sensory data in its analysis, [3] lower its pattern-recognition requirement, OR...[4] it could be that in the [dmt high information state], more patterns are recognized at a precise / high probability state. you see more. so the connection you feel to the trees may be a real thing that you are actually sensing. (as opposed to a hallucination). I think dmt research can lead scientists to ask better questions based on what they see in dmt space. apparently stammet took shrooms and felt the tree's connection to himself, so he measured it and dont ya know he found that yes, mushrooms do communicate to other living entities with vibratory waves. Loved the video, will watch a few more times!! I've already shared it.

[@kriterer]

I had always thought of visual trips as a breakdown of visual processes, causing the brain to represent vision as loosely associated patterns and feedback loops. I had never really considered that we might be seeing more than we do when we're sober. Cool.

[@tzimmermann]

Hi! I have seen your videos, they're quite interesting to say the least. Just by curiosity, what was your PhD research about?

[@DJCodyMay]

Mushrooms communicate through vibrational means. Informational; finally a comment worth reading. Call me strange, but growing up something has always ran through my head; "vibrations" solve, (possibly subsequently cause) problems. Plant medicine only strengthening my ideal. If someone asked me "What could cure cancer?", I'd reply "vibrations". I'm no doctor, or scientist; may be a psyconaught. I just do believe you're onto something here.

[@drblaneyphysics]

@@tzimmermann hello terrence, sorry for late reply. My PhD research was entitled "Periodic countercurrent operation of pressure-swing adsorption processes applied to gas separations", by c.a. blaney, Univ. of Delaware, under the advisor, the late great R.L. Pigford. Happy times, grad school. the only time in my life i felt free.

[@drblaneyphysics]

@@DJCodyMay hey you knew the truth so you must have been a wise sage in your past life :D vibration is reality.

[@VEE3RDEYE]

Excellent work. We now need a more efficient way of dosing. Smoking or vaporising anything isn't very accurate. IV isn't widely accessible. We need another solution.

[@metalfacematt]

Boofing obviously

[@lonewarrior9992]

Ok so my whole life it has been pointed out to me by family, peers and even doctors and psychologists that my mind works differently. It seems to also be tbe case with psychedelics. Here are the major differences I have noticed: for starters dmt vs mushrooms, I have properly vaporized and inhaled up to 35-40 milligrams of dmt and only had threshold level experiences, on numerous occasions, yet when I do mushrooms 5 grams takes me to upper magic eye lower waiting room levels, 8 grams or more and I spend most of my time back and forth between the waiting room and breakthrough levels. Another difference is I dont experience amnesia or black out on 90+% of my trips, I can remember everything I see and experience with usually very intricate detail. The last difference is probably the most hard to believe, I know I would doubt it if I were anyone else, but in the waiting room I can slip into a state where I can influence the people around me with my thoughts, this has happened twice and I have worked hard to avoid that state because it scares me. The first time it happened I had eaten 8 grams of cubensis, and the waiting room as you call it had become perfectly integrated into the rest of reality, I could identify things never before seen and they interected with reality in a way that made perfect sense, one of these phenomena is an ever-changing geometric fractalization that swirls above people's heads with a stream connecting it from where it is to the head itself, and another stream that goes off and away into infinity. The forms within these halos were somehow understandable, and encoded each person's thoughts and realities, it was while gazing in awe at the halos above my own head and my wifes head that I noticed anything I thought in word form my wife would speak, I implanted suggestions which she tried to follow, implanting first the idea to paint a picture and then directly after the idea to go to sleep, she became so confused and torn between each idea that she was frantic, so I focused on the word and color grey as a way to empty my mind, and her mind also was effected the same way, she even remarked almost sadly that everything was grey now. After this first instance I wasn't sure what think of what had happened, or even whether it was real at all, it was the second instance that scared not only me but my sober brother and proved to me something real was happening. In this instance I had reached the same state as the first time, I was in the hills with my brother who was trip sitting this 10 gram trip I was doing, we were seated next to each other when an almost foreign impulse entered my thoughts and before I could stop it I acted on it, I turned to my brother, locked eyes with him, and in a tone similar to a hypnotists spoke "the one the two, the me the you, the red the blue, guess what, who knew" after this I knew instinctually that I could control his actions and tested it, I stood and so did he, I moved my arms and legs in random patterns that he mimicked not only perfectly but simultaneously, I was literally controlling two bodies with one set of impulses. After what felt like about a minute, he broke out of whatever state I had put him in he broke out of it on his own, immediately took me home and did not speak to me for months afterwards, we spoke daily prior, 4 months later he and I spoke and he confirmed that I had turned him into a shadow puppet as he called it, said he never wanted to speak about it again and said that he would never be around me if either of us was on mushrooms again, saying he didnt trust his mind was safe even if I was sober and he was tripping. I have learned how to avoid this mental state, I find as long as I don't allow myself to allow the waiting room and regular reality to integrate into each other that I don't achieve that state. Take this for what it is, but these are my experiences, I hope if not to find help exploring these differences, that at the very least my account will help someone else in their understanding and exploration of these matters.

[@lonewarrior9992]

Ok so as I have explained I have dmt like experiences on mushrooms, this paired with the amount of time per trip spent in these states, has in my opinion allowed me to map and make sense of some of these complex seemingly other-dimensional forms. To expain this best we need to at least acknowledge base line realities role in "the trip" and more specifically its density and integration into the levels of the trip, how well do these abstract forms that we can see and experience integrate within reality. I'm sure that most will agree that on the higher levels such as waiting room and breakthrough, that even perceiving base line is rare, and that the chances of both the trip reality, and actuall reality meshing in a way that makes sense and has meaning is even more rare. Yet this is exactly what happens to me, base line for me is hard to ignore and only disappears for me if I close my eyes, and after careful reflection on my experiences, I feel that there is a level past breakthrough that I will call expanded reality, where the trip reality becomes fully integrated into the actual reality, and I believe this is because what we are perceiving, if inaccurately, is an invisible layer of reality akin to what telsa called the aether or akasha as it is also called, to give an idea to what I mean I want you to consider the wind, something you can only perceive the effects of, but otherwise remains invisible to you, imagine if it became visible, just this would add a level of perception to your reality that would reveal new information, for instance with practice and observation you could know when a trees branches and leaves would move before it happened. This is what I mean when I say the forms within the trip become fully integrated into base line reality, what this looks like for me is that just as we perceive everything as separate units not as a single thing, so to does what you describe as the hyperbolic reality of the trip, everything becomes distinct, much like the waiting room level, yet just as you can watch a dog running make grass move, or water in a river move stones, you can watch things in the trip realm interact with base line, in a way that actually works and provides new levels of information and perception, the most directly relevant thing is that you can perceive that there is a level of self that extends past the physical body that interacts with and is a part of this invisible realm, and its ability to actively affect and be affected by both base line and trip reality stimuli also becomes apparent and understandable.

[@doobiemeista]

Just a hint of schizophrenia

[@danielbyal4440]

@@doobiemeista ah yes just a dash and pinch. Lmao

[@lonewarrior9992]

@@doobiemeista actually no, but I did have a major concussion when I was 6 years old that shattered the base of my skull and landed me in a coma for two weeks, only to wake up with the brain damage causing regular activity in otherwise dormant parts of the brain responsible for processing sensory information, so theres that.

[@xcaleber5034]

Wonder if schizophrenic people are on a constant psychedelic trip living in our percieved reality

[@ZM10paranormal]

Wow! I love this! I'm currently researching DMT. Some of this stuff is soo beautiful. Espically when my brain "shuts off" and all I am is awareness watching this beautiful thing transform and spin. Thanks again for this!

[@joanneceo6523]

This was awesome. I don't know KZbin's algorithm found this for me, but Andres was an awesome speaker and presenter.

[@freem4nn129]

The fact that this gets such an in dept study makes me so happy, because my experiences with these molecules have done SO much for me. Always act and do with care !

[@killfear]

37:21 - There's so much information, that the mind can only hold enough data to properly render the center of these oscilliating patterns. As the "math" of rendering the pattern in our visual field push towards our periphery, our eye is guided to the event horizon to continue rendering that math. But when you shift your perspective towards that horizon, it immediately becomes the center of permutation and begins rendering anew. We never finish rendering the unfurling hypermath at the horizon because it takes more time to render it than we can hold our attention to one specific snapshot of information. the time looping dilation is clocking our rendering speed so when we finish a cycle it renews rendering from whichever new point of perspective we hold. This touches on the threshhold of schroedinger's cat... the box is on the edge of the event horizon, and when we shift to catch up to it, it becomes center frame and renders as alive or dead, depending on the oscilation of patterns being rendered, and everything we shift our attention away from in that moment dissolves into unfinished permutations, holding enough pattern to unfurl when it again becomes the center of attention, same as normal visual perpheral vision downgrades in resolution. ... my 2 cents.

[@zxp3ct3r41]

Whoa

[@eggheadusa]

Yes

[@multimacg2399]

Really interesting thought

[@killfear]

I would propose that the act of meditation is a means of training the mind to hold attention to one moment for a longer duration than previous moments. the sensation of connecting to something greater is the greater amount of rendering at the periphery. if we use vision as an analogy, normal consciousness is a visual field of 120 degrees, and meditative practices expand this periphery to 180+ degrees... we can now absorb more information each cycle as we shift our brains into these longer wavelengths documented in experiments. perhaps enlightenment is, to continue the analogy, reaching a 360 degree view of your reality, so you can sense the full math resolving, so when your cycle renews you shift your perspective as before, but you don't lose any rendering, it remains within your capacity to perceive, and we lose awareness of the passage of time because we no longer have a cycle losing data to measure change. ymmv

[@topolo19]

I understand this. But wouldnt this theory only vinculate understading with our sense of view only to understand something?

[@MysticalRainbowKaci]

I feel like for all of us who stumbled upon this in suggested videos....we are pretty rad humans. Just saying.

[@moretech]

EGO EVERYWHERE!

[@mehedihasan-ui6qt]

@@moretech lol yes

[@jamesfielden4935]

@@moretech Not necessarily, far too many variables to be so black or white

[@vertex3243]

i looked it up LOL

[@moretech]

@Jackie Legs lol I'm definitely not a hippy. Unless most hippies watch Tim Pool and podcast of the lotus eaters. :P

[@Rcknrll666]

Sacred geometry, fractals, cymatics, Pythagoras, Yoga, vibrations, Golden ratios, harmonic frequencies.. We’re waking up Peace, love, and groovyness ✌🏻🤟🏻🗿

[@stoptrudeau42]

Frequency videos work love the lucid dreams one!!

[@GCAT-zv9in]

We're baaaack.

[@The.Golden.Door.]

⭐🔥🚪

[@kristinabliss]

Are any of these new?

[@Mojojojo85757]

Awesome presentation 👌 I have smoked dmt many times to the “threshold” point, and it’s a very pleasant and relaxing experience. I could see it being useful to alleviate severe anxiety and depression in microdoses. At the higher levels however I feel a little more mental constitution is preferable before attempting to reach these other stages. Anyone who’s taken higher doses knows how quickly you can go from zero to a billion 😅 it was really great to have someone put into words the unique mathematical/geometric feature of a dmt experience. I can fully attest to the “symmetry hotel”. I’ve also experienced a strange “binary flickering” for lack of a better description… it’s almost as if the patterns in the symmetry hotel also have some sort of binary pattern or electric nature to them. like a buzzing on/off audio-visual experience. I’ve always wondered if this was something other people noticed as well, though it is quite difficult to put into words. At chrysanthemum stage it’s as if reality melts or peels away. Some people describe it as “blasting off” to another reality, but to me it seems more as though visual “reality” dematerializes to reveal some deeper reality underneath. Your description of this amnesia level is interesting… but I have to wonder if it’s truly a lack of memory or rather a lack of words to describe the “memory”, and perhaps to what level the memory is preserved or stored. But I guess that’s a whole other issue on a neurological level (maybe… unless memory is holographic or not stored in the brain). Perhaps without a point of reference or some new vocabulary we just may not be able to verbally express the experience at that high level. I’m just rambling at this point. Thanks again for your detailed and scholarly study of dmt experiences 🧡

[@Morning_muzic]

I Bought mine from a Plug online he got dope stuff's.........,

[@Morning_muzic]

Jonahmicro11¿‽

[@sybo10]

I have experienced the incredible geometric patterns, I'll never forget it

[@Drogado68]

Changed me

[@mindfulmagic]

I got over 15 years of 'study' on the topic here, love the connectiveness and heart it brings back to many many people. Set and setting and good people. I would LOVE to start just randomly submitting papers (old and new) that I have wrote up, experiments taken where one person draws a shape and the other does not know what, and draws it...I am convinced that telepathy has always been within us - just lost over time. Finding our roots again. I am very educated, high and stoned are words that give many of these tools a horrid name...it is medicine and better than most if not near all Rx's :'( sad but we can and will change that. Getting there faster now than ever before!!!

[@ricodsanchez6792]

what kind of visuals did u see aside from shapes what emotions did u have? did u see through the eyes of other people like a reinacrnation type of thing. pls can u share ur experiences

[@gthugg1]

Please share your study! I’m interested

[@ernestoduenas2466]

@@ricodsanchez6792i did remenber past lifes and recover a really insane amount of information

[@bradleyroe6801]

Our brains are accustomed to try and organize visual data in a particular way based on standard experience so when you see, hear and feel the actual quantum field behind it all it is difficult not to attribute objects from memory. The brain has evolved in a way to block this field to give a corporeal experience completely comprised of conscious energy, hence the 'illusion' those who are experienced describe as standard perception. I imagine lower life forms without eyeballs experience life in this DMT like perception.

[@andrewendsley]

This embodies precision and accuracy. It heavily reflects my experience. The best lecture I've seen on the subject.

[@kalbashleyaisha9348]

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[@user-ro9md9wp3j]

@@kalbashleyaisha9348 no he's not

[@jefbaker9890]

While the 6 - levels is a fascinating approach, there is perhaps an underestimation of the extensive realms of DMT. Levels 2-4 often seem almost synonymous, even though the distinctions here serve well to map the transition from everyday waking consciousness to DMT-mind. What of the tunnel state through which people experience travelling through - both entering breakthrough and beyond it? What of the expansive landscapes both 'organic' and geometric' and the many 'spaces' between the breakthrough point and the 'replete void of unitary consciousness'? There is so much space between breakthrough and potential 'amnesia', that does not map onto geometric structure and it seems the further one goes (i.e. dose) the more the geometric model may not apply so evenly.

[@ke_dao]

Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced this geometric modelling can cover all the visual phenomena. The argument is compelling though, and I may just need to look again.

[@firstname163]

@@ke_dao it's a good start

[@ke_dao]

@@firstname163 yeah, no doubt

[@abecerra3060]

I’d say 90% of my experience is amnesia, when I do remember some experiences by certain DMT artwork I’m reminded yet again I don’t know what the heck I experienced but that it was extremely profound.

[@thephuntastics2920]

It is important to understand that this is not exclusive to dmt. I usually end up in “magic eye to breaktrough“ levels, only that i do it with high dosed ketamine ( well, we do) i have never taken dmt but the more i see reports or presentations like this, the more i find myself wondering like this is by far the most identical description to how i experience ketamine.

[@juliushamilton3656]

It's wonderful that so many people are able to talk openly about this in a culture of acceptance in a university associated with high social status and professional merit.

[@JordanService]

Speak into the mic!... also great talk.

[@hikesteepfishhigh]

lol... driving me nuts!

[@BricktowneMedia]

@@hikesteepfishhigh No doubt! get this guy a Lav Mic already...

[@danielkaster2648]

Yeah the audio is kinda poo

[@brucanthwood]

Honestly props to the audio engineer , it's surprisingly level for how in and out the guy gets at times

[@BricktowneMedia]

@@brucanthwood You make a fair point, and I agree. I don't mean to come down on anyone. Headphones help isolate the audio from environmental noises so, with that in mind, its fine with headphones.

[@B33F22]

I think if we collectively focused on different things our entire lives we would be able to see or feel the world around us like we do on hallucinogens. I also think life was more colorful when we were kids or when we're more connected to the world.

[@PatriciaConway-y6n]

Things were more colorful as kids not because we were more connected with the world, but because we were more connected with the spiritual realm that we had just re-emerged from

[@jackcummins2275]

Fantastic lecture, so important to give scientists access to this stuff, hopefully times are changing

[@jordansernik]

This makes me want go back to university.

[@kerrytrax9332]

we need to get andrés on joe rogan

[@thegoodtimeline966]

We did three hours with him if you want to go deeper :)

[@shainemaine1268]

@@thegoodtimeline966 sweeeeeet.

[@shpongled587]

@@imeldatau3973 its been done

[@SailingPachamama]

Yes to this idea!

[@graceerrington4175]

The fact that this kind of discussion exists in a field of education is crazy

[@kristinabliss]

The fact that is was a taboo topic in educated circles for so long is what's crazy.

[@nicolewashington619]

Ram Dass would be so proud of how far things have come since his time there

[@SergioLazaroMartinez]

This is lowkey the best lecture I've seen in my life

[@MrRollingstone66]

This video started out interesting and quickly los my attention. Maybe better for someone who hasn’t had such experience and wants to know what to expect before hand. In my opinion, the reason to take psychedelics is to step into the unknown and experience it for yourself without any pretense of what to expect. In my experience once I’ve taken the first step into the unknown. My trip begins and it’s not until I let go of control or fear and except the experience does it become blissful/ spiritual journey. I call this... “ Falling Awake “ This accounts for international and external induced experiences. The external induced experience you may become stuck into a nightmare until the drug wears off. Internally induced you lose the experience all together because you fall back into a low frequency that relates to the flight or fight.

[@nickthelick]

LSD, DMT, and Mushrooms - particularly Hawaiian Blues, they were the closest to LSD for me, as they're the strongest psilocybin 'shrooms, or at least the most concentrated ones given their tiny size. When I took psychedelics, I always aimed at 'going over the top' or 'over the wall [of reality]', y'know - taking enough so that you're not grounded. So your feet leave the ground and you experience ego death! You end up feeling like a lizard, so to speak ! You can't recognise where you are, quite exactly what you are, or what you're doing. Your brain/body sort of runs on autopilot (the limbic brain takes control I heard?)! I ALWAYS had a trustworthy friend act as a sober trip sitter to keep me safe whenever I did this. And before tripping, my friends and I would carry out our version of a Shamanic Ritual. A friend of mine studied Anthropology at the time, and we appropriated some ancient tribal rituals for ourselves. We basically 'blessed' ourselves and our trip, honouring the psychedelics we were taking. We did our ritual/ceremony on the beach at dawn as the tide had left and was going to be coming back in. So, the sun and the moon were both in the sky at about 530am/6am, it was actually pretty warm too. We chanted our own mantra that we'd made between us ("Bless us and our healing day" or something like that anyway!") =o) We'd dug a hole in the sand and symbolically sacrificed a little something of ourselves into it, covered the hole with sand, and let the sea later wash it away. Another thing that made it special was that we did our trip on the 2001 Spring Equinox (quarter point of the year I believe) - partly the reason why I can recall this trip so well is because of all these markers we did in our ritual ceremony. OH! We also fasted a full day before taking the acid. So that when we took it at dawn, within about 5 minutes we were ALL coming up and beginning to trip HARD! It was THAT QUICK! And I've had times when the acid has taken well into 4 or 5 HOURS to start coming on and working on me! So, 5 minutes was like a rocket ship! And not one of us had a 'bad' time... the trip WAS blessed as far as I was concerned. And fuck me, our trips were ALWAYS AMAZING when we did these rituals. We were definitely blessed! Apparently rainbows, butterflies, flowers were signposts to point out that our blessing had worked (basically beautiful, vividly coloured bits of nature showing itself to us whilst tripping!), it sure did feel that way, because we witnessed these things when did the rituals. Even the sober trip sitter was rather freaked out (in a good way) when he saw these 'signs' along with us! The 3 separate rainbows out in the middle of the sea on the horizon sort of sealed it for us! TOTALLY AMAZING! Plus we naturally seemed to be drawn to a particular set of rocks on the beach we were at, and we actually noticed the rocks had TREES in them! We were simply sitting on a fossilized forest and we could see the tree's rings and different types of bark inside and on the surface the rocks. We seemed to be naturally drawn to them. Like a 'grounding stone' I think they're called? The most amazing thing for me was how I was seemingly shown, by an invisible, 'higher entity' how the basics of nature worked. For instance, I was allowed to see the currents of the wind, EXACTLY how you see currents of warm water in a mug swirling about, I could SEE the currents of the AIR swirling about. So I'd see the air pushing down onto the water, creating waves coming inland, pushing past me as I sat on the fossilized rocks! The waves would crash on the beach and then I'd see the currents tumble towards the cliffs and then see the grass on the cliffs swirl about with the air. Not only that, but when the waves crashed, I'd then see the tiny, misty droplets of water rise up from the beach and FORM the clouds above me. THEN! I'd watch as the clouds drifted inland by a few miles and I'd watch them come back towards me after travelling inland for about 20minutes. And when they reached me back where I was sitting on the rocks, the clouds would then gently shower down on me! Where I would then laugh hysterically at the simple beauty of it all! I'd actually SEEN the air molecules push the water molecules off the surface of the sea and into the air, watched those same molecules travel in the sky over land and back to me and then rain back down onto me and into the sea! Seeing the currents was like seeing a new colour. Sort of like a heat haze, and sort of like the aforementioned warm water currents in a mug or pan. It was those moments (watching about 30minutes of natures' processes) where I was gifted a little insight as to how everything is connected in some way or another... I'll never forget it. Ever. And one more little thing that nature sort of did to 'amuse me' (so it seemed!) was when I looked straight up into the blue sky and watched the clouds form - at first the clouds seemed to begin as hexagons and triangles like a grid across the sky, but as the clouds grew more dense, they would swirl around and take the shape of ballroom dancers! Like, women wearing those large voluminous gowns swirling around with their partners holding on to them! And it wasn't just me who saw this. Some of my friends would report this back to me too. Of course, it was the power of suggestion, but not only that, they genuinely would look like dancers! Even to the sober trip sitter! Who was sort of in awe, as though our blessed trip was rubbing off on him a bit! I look back on those trips as being the best times in my life. About 5 separate (strong) trips. For one of them, I was in love, and my girlfriend and I were overwhelmed as to how our love was 'visible' between us! Hard to explain. We'd be at the same point during our trips, like, it was at a point where we were both seeing 'tracers', and with my fingers I'd trace a heart in the air in front of me. I'd then blow the traced heart towards my girlfriend, where she'd 'absorb' it into her body! And some of our friends would be able to see all this too! Ah man, makes me want to cry with happiness (and nostalgia!) when I think of these times...

[@nicebars]

That's awesome. Quite the joy to read the detail of your experiences.. I hope to stumble upon shrooms at the right time and setting

[@werkoptimize1962]

I'm mind blown how accurate hyperbolic geometry is to the experience. From my experience the "waiting room" had the best feelings emotionally and physically, out of them all.

[@delta-9969]

That's odd, common wisdom says the worst outcome is to get stuck in the waiting room

[@retinafunk]

@@delta-9969 A lot of so called common wisdom regarding DMT is not really wisdom but some few blasting their opinion online. People are way too obsessed with breakthroughs, but sometimes ghet the amnesia and dismiss other states which are just as valuable. Take this wisdom from an experienced psychonaut

[@desertweasel6965]

@@delta-9969 thats not to say that the waiting room is bad, it just isn't as good as the breakthrough.

[@ktosado8097]

This was SOOOO HELPFUL AND INFORMATIVE!! My experience is not here … would love to share

[@philosophicalmixedmedia]

There is a sense this approach is taken from early modern philosophy of Leibniz monad theory by way of combinational theory of conscious states as well as open conscious states that correlate to innate mind stuff. The sense of hyper rational fields that map reality begs the question as in how could the producer of the field empirically show the information is verifiable given its innate ideas are subject dependent.

[@lcarthel]

I've been waiting about 10 years for this lecture. Thank you, super interesting!

[@nextos]

This is very different from my experience on DMT. His explanations stating the levels are from geometry to amnesiac noise consisted of the first minute of my trip and after that I was standing in a very real very mundane normal room, with no psychedelic patterns anywhere. I was just standing in another place as real as I am sitting here typing on my keyboard, and in that room were a bunch of people, very clear people with no weird geometry at all. It was not like a dream, not even like an extremely vivid/life-like dream, and my brain was clear throughout the whole trip and felt stone sober afterwards (unlike mushrooms or LCD). I think this disparity in his experience (i.e it's just geometry/math all the time) and other peoples experiences gets covered in one of his final replies to questions, where he talks about his bias as a mathematician getting stuck on the geometry and math's and not moving past it to anything more meaningful.

[@mackychloe]

Yep, different mind, different trip.

[@JeffCaplan313]

He is idolizing math here.

[@CP-hd5cj]

Dosage is a big factor - feels almost as if the traditionally psychedelic visuals are a side effect of being in limbo between the two states.

[@lumenknotty6355]

Can you not appreciate his view? He is practically banned from speaking of a higher purpose because it there is no correlation to academic study. He has to relate to a mathematical viewpoint to strengthen his argument for study.

[@s0s0lid9]

what did you do in that room?

[@nonesuchone]

Andres’ whole vibe did not disappoint.

[@hreinholdt04]

what i find especially interesting is that I've experienced each level of hyperbolic geometry and apart of the emotional response to this has been an ability to tap into residual levels of geometry when I'm sober. I have learned to meditate through some intense psychedelic trips. I can now meditate to the point (without any mind altering substances) to where I have a surface level visuals which immediately intensify when i close my eyes. Its given me a new lust for life and i've been able to overcome a serious bout of depression that has been with me since early teen years. It's not that my newfound happiness is sourced from the meditation or psychedelics, its that they opened up my mind. I have a full understanding of how my self and my ego interact. I know how to treat people better because I've changed the way my ego (what I consider my inner voice) speaks to me and how it reacts to the outside world. and its just a great feeling now that I finally have a sense of purpose in my life. Humans should feel humbled by the beautiful Synchronicity of life and nature. Everything happens for a reason and you won't enjoy anything unless you find a way to give life a meaning. Being alive is enough of a high.

[@BornR3STLESS]

I can't personally testify to what you're saying, but your experience sounds remarkably similar to my brother with his shroom experience. He tells me that in deep states of meditation, or when he is falling asleep, he will be able to see low level fractal patterns. He essentially told me that he never really lost the ability to see those visuals even after his psychedelic experiences.

[@nyriz]

Cannot agree more.

[@Neto37375]

I really want to try DMT or magic mushrooms but i don't know where or how to get them, I can't find a source any recommendations??

[@greatestofalltime4125]

I could remember the first time i tripped it was so thrilling I felt like I was deep into the sea

[@alpha-tj6jt]

I have enjoyed lot's of trips from ket, lsd but i have never tried DMT before hope 2grams isn't bad for a starter

[@Polianafreitas436]

/Malachi_tripp/ got psychedelics

[@alpha-tj6jt]

@@Polianafreitas436 is he on Instagram or what?

[@Polianafreitas436]

@@alpha-tj6jt yeah, he's got magic mushrooms, chocolate bars, lsd, dmt and other psychedelics

[@bjarnivalur6330]

I was expecting this to be complete pseudoscience but this seams pretty legit. Very nice.

[@mrsteinbergenson7348]

Are you religious?

[@bjarnivalur6330]

@@mrsteinbergenson7348 Not really, no.

[@seditt5146]

Yeah I skipped over this in my recommended so many times, this time the word Harvard caught my attention which made me go "hmmm..." I clicked expecting someone to have rented Harvard halls for some bullshit but only like 3 minutes into the video and I am already glad I finally clicked it

[@spiralmoment]

@Homo floresiensis your so woke and amazing I want to open up and be like you.

[@M888HGAAAWNKLMTOZLNLSSSKKHHZBB]

White Noise = Information Plasma

[@nirvana_banana777]

So that's why people love it so much! I can't sleep comfortably without a fan on tbh.

[@samuelj.rivard]

@@nirvana_banana777 same!!!

[@placer7412]

So you see white noise as like extremely particulate 'information' thats been highly 'energized' (not sure what would mean in this context)

[@digitalhippie2336]

It's entirely possible

[@EnigmaGameMaster]

@@digitalhippie2336 Yeah, a buddy of mine once talked to me about this.

[@modalsurrealist]

Oh my god! "The Waiting Room" is a thing. That's exactly the words i used the first time i went there.

[@josephweeks3815]

Sitting in the waiting room... sitting in the waiting room... because you cant get in! Dont wanna get em

[@CrankyRayy]

pffft.. how long is it going to take before they call my name

[@picassolaurante407]

You need melanin

[@piraterockNrollradio]

I found a different level one i've never heard described before. It was very interactive and there was absolutely no geometry. I've never been able to revisit that place. It was very brief but very real and it was as I was seeing the man behind the curtain and knowing I was some place I wasn't supposed to see. If you wish to know about it bout it I will gladly tell you. Lmk

Wow. Please tell me more! I'm curious. (I'm the presenter)

[@casket8530]

They gotta figure out why its so cartoonish, childlike, and colorful. Thats the most bizarre thing about it. All the "voices" I heard sounded like they were taken out of childrens cartoon from ages 1-3. The colors and shapes weren't so much fractals or shapes at all, they seemed to dance around in a way thats indescribable. I guess they could be broken down to shapes i guess. I think I reached the magic eye level, it was so goofy yet so profound and intelligent.

[@KB-wg5tj]

I did 60mg of DMT during my first try. I had no idea there was an 'amnesia level'. This explains so much.

[@divinewind7405]

Yeah, I did 100mg first time: we misread the scales; thought 0.1g was 0.01g. Totally out for 25 unremembered mins..but absolute bliss as I was delivered back, super tripping & dripping pure love🙏🏻💫🐍👽🐱

[@JamesQHolden]

@@divinewind7405was it scary?

[@Sourcecode01]

That was a pleasure to watch, some real investigations into the field, well done!

[@whoknows3820]

can you guys do an experiment where a subject is breaking through in a forest (or similar environment) where buzzing insects, such as cicadas, are prevalent? there was a video here on youtube about a decade ago depicting a lone man in a forest at dusk with tons of buzzing insects everywhere and after he vaped dmt and started breaking through, the insects began synchronizing their buzzing into sounds you'd hear during many psychedelic experiences. it was truly astonishing and the video/channel has since been deleted (for depicting drug usage)

[@casket8530]

The "breakthrough" and "high breakthrough" sounds and looks like literal hell.

[@AlaskaChromeProductions]

I miss measured one time did 100 mg my entire life flashed before my eyes sound sputtered down rapidly. Everything went numb, and I felt ego disillusion to the highest degree I’ve ever felt to where I thought I was actually dying. It was quite beautiful and gave me such a sense of peace for a moment I panicked, but the experience was so fast I was able to let go and just as I said, thank you and goodbye I came back open my eyes and was more grateful for others around me, and no longer fear mortality. In that moment, I felt God’s presence and it was beyond a breakthrough. It was a peak into the afterlife something I can’t put in the words, but it was profound I’ve broke through many times I’ve only seen one entity. It was like a angel described from Ezekiel in front of a castle in India. I can’t put this in the words, but any in every experience I’ve ever had was never negative.

Beautiful!! Thank you for sharing ☺️ (I'm the presenter)

[@futureshocked]

Wow the magic eye phase reminds me of something I was thinking of last night. There's no such thing as color. If you look around your room right now none of the colors you're seeing are actually there, it's just your brain assigning colors to different wavelengths and depths.

[@mittamoa]

I like the idea that one's experience is just a model of reality. Also, I wonder why and how reality (energy) can be so stable that there's i.e. different materials/particles "we" can interact with.

[@samuel3807]

how does magic eye phase remind you of that?

[@Ricardo-qc8qg]

What is the magic eye phase?

[@stapleman007]

The sun's highest energy output frequency spectrum at the Earth's surface is the human visual spectrum range. IE our eyes are designed to see the most 'powerful' light available to us, requiring the least amount of biological 'hardware' to do so.

[@thephuntastics2920]

Interesting ! even more interesting is that this is a near exact description of my Ketamine trips. for a while now i have this hypothesis that this experience from " magic eye level" onwards is not " the DMT" flash , nor is it "the khole" . it is reality , unconstructed by the brain. mainly due to the experience of alternate realities where " hyperspace" as i call it is the actual background reality. more research needs to be done and i strongly believe that all psychedelics that can have these effects , simply shut down the brain to a degree where the 5 sense feedback loop and the frontal lobe no longer construct the experience.

[@barrypickford1443]

thePhuntastics some aspects map onto the ket experience but DMT is a whole other thing. My ket levels are: 1- enhanced colour and interest in my surroundings. 2- closed eye world starts to form but very dark. 3- walls or textures scroll above like being inside a cave (always dark red and black) 4- a merge of the imaginings of my minds eye and closed eye visuals (like fading into dream but awake) 5- there is a threshold where I fall into a visual sequence. It feels like a fairground ride that moves through “scenes” a repeat being moving along the waterline in deep jungle. This scrolls along and gently fades out. The only comparison I can draw so far is the rate of change in the visual aspect.

[@thephuntastics2920]

@@barrypickford1443 oh keta seems completely different for me ( and my gf, too) . Depending on the ketamin isomer variant the “max“ lvl is closed eye hyperspace. ( i'd love to have a cgi person at hand to visualize this) . It starts with this extreme energetic pressure inside the body, high pitch sound, then i always describe it as if i no longer look with my eyes , but through my eyes. Here comes the dose/isomer difference. I usually do 300mg doses or more. If i manage to take another line when the first line comes up , these are the best trips . For a while i am unable to open my eyes and according to my gf i have ultra fast rapid eye movement. Even sometimes my eyes are technically open, i dont see with them. Hyperspace starts in the void, the black room. To the left, far far away is a small white dot from wich my lifes episodes pass by me, like a train where each window is an episode. Or a film roll. Something like that. I experience the sensation of being moved, like on a gyroscopic chair or so, with g-force dragging me through space. I never pass through the light ... ... until here it is the “tunnel with the light at the end“ that people see when they die. This still feels as if i am channeled backwards out of this reality . If i “fall“ further , i forget who i am or what i am, ego death, reaching a one consciousness state. The void fills with extremely massive architecture made of ... light ... probably. Appears as physical as everything here but is kinda pastell colored. Feels like that moment in matrix when they break through the clouds . Then the rollercoaster starts. I sit in and look like a giant mechanical dragon or feathered serpent or worm or ... looks, moves like a transforming transformer worm. Last time i giggled and said in my mind “ YES ! SHOW ME!“ and it , this serpent thing shoooot so fast away from it all that i suddendly saw all of it at once, the entire universe , just for a few seconds ... and zooooooom back into the serpent rollercoaster into hyperspacecreality where colors and shapes emerge from me, i AM the universe. When i get back, i usually end up in a big office or nice ... room .. and when i slightly open my eyes, just a tiny bit so that i see the dark wood framework contrasting my white walls, i see the lines and edges overlap both realities. Sometimes i end up completely in other worlds, other lifes, best compared with schizophrenia, like temporary .

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

Psychedelics increase how your brain commucates with other parts which could be used to argue that in psychedelics you are seeinh more of the world how it is. In dissociatives like ketamine it makes you dissociate which is in many ways the opposite since mind uses dissociative state for example to get you removed from the situation that is too stressfull you to handle and that's why something like deperspnalizatio for example can be caused by huge stress and it is dissociative order.

[@samuel3807]

Isn't the breakthrough almost purely geometrical and symmetrical? How could it be the true reality? Additionally, our reality can be precisely measured by many people at the same time. Doesn't it mean, that the reality that we experience everyday is similarly true? Of course, this reality is our brains' interpretation, but it interpretes true things.

"The World in My Head" and The Grand Illusion" by Steven Lehar are great reads for anyone who is confused about whether hyperspace is "really out there" or not. Cheers!

[@relikzappa3589]

Absolutely love this presentation... For the last 13 years I've been getting personally familiar with DiMiTri. Since my first experience I've learned 2 methods of extraction from Mimosa inner root bark... Even after 500+ doses I am still apprehensive about it... Definitely something to respect!

[@bungieflute]

is that a real poncho ? or is it like from sears. Im'a go find Dora.

[@relikzappa3589]

@@bungieflute love your nails you must be a Libra... 😜

[@Boomshankarim]

Great presentation, we need more research like this (the quality of the audio recording could have been better)

[@Judawi]

Sinking into the experience while looking at others trying to explain it is something else.

[@prisonplanetearthcomplyordie]

I'm more than sure if they handed out individual sample packs of DMT to each of us watching this video we would understand the content a lot quicker and easier than all other methods of teaching us . It's Just a thought that entered my Brain .

[@thricegreat]

That reminds me that having a screen display the synapses in your brain firing in real time whilst also learning significantly enhances the speed at which you do learn.

[@inphinitezero5499]

Yeah lmao it would be 100000000000x times more enlightening 😂

[@garilee7875]

True

[@FritzVonR]

meh. most of us would just burn the whole sample trying to get the smoking technique right. we need more than that :P

[@gabinohidalgo885]

Well of course friend because it's hands on teaching! Hahaha I frigging love this stuff

[@wiseguy9202]

When I did DMT it was so overwhelming and intense that I know this is similar, but at the same time nothing like it.

[@Maxinator11-11]

Agree ... it can even go beyond infinity dimensionality ... the impossible

[@lemonaut1]

I love the idea of a DMT "trajectory", the idea that the common metaphor of "flying" is a literal description of conscious experience. Eg flying past lower levels/too far/not far enough/and hitting a wall. I'm also very happy to hear the explanation of the "depth map", complete with representing semantic content.

[@mikeswift8155]

I need to be eating much more of that Hyperbolic kale in my diet.

[@kassandrakid9440]

When I tried DMT, all that happened was that everything in my field of vision completely dissolved then it went black then I forgot how to breathe and the entire time I was tripping I was just coaching myself to try to breathe. (No grammar, I know. ) No one else had a bad experience. I don’t think I even smoked enough as it was harsh and unpleasant. At this point in my life, I don’t feel comfortable tripping anymore but I really wish I had had a good experience. In general, I loved psychedelics. I’ve never heard of anyone having that experience with dmt before. Also, I know that DMT is supposed to help with trauma but it’s symptoms of PTSD specifically that make me fearful of tripping anymore. I am considering Microdosing psilocybin though. My doctor has referred me to a clinic but it is expensive.

[@noobyproduction]

18:55 Information c... threshold 34:00 Could the amnesia level be described by an analogy of how memory sticks work? Like, if I were to download a movie and my hard drive is almost full, it would download the movie until the drive runs out of capacity and then removes it whilst giving you an error that the drive is full, the error being the amnesia and the absence of the movie being the experience that you can't remember.

[@roughtobebufftv5990]

I did dmt during covid break and I saw flying blueish greyhound dogs infront of rushing gold waterfalls. I was still aware of my surroundings. I was giggling to myself eyes closed the entire time. Felt like my body was in a warm hug you'd get from your mom when you're little.

[@Hexnilium]

This takes form constants to a whole new level. It would be interesting to try and recruit individuals from varying disciplines such as AI, computer science, cognitive science, psychiatry/psychology, neuroscience, deep learning, creatives to help illustrate and find artistic examples that fit closely to experiences, and maybe computer graphics backgrounds for looking to understand why certain visual phenomenon occur from a functional level with our optical and neural hardware versus serial or parallel digital graphics, all to help with analyzing and hypothesizing in their own disciplines and cross disciplinary attempts to reframe the ideas through their world views. Add some optical physicists in there for visual effects. If looking for other hallucinatory domains, utilize audio engineers, etc. Building a diverse team, not necessarily pro or against the use of psychedelics either openly or not, but with the idea that this is very unexplored scientific territory. Discoveries abound here. Formalizing and creating a systematic scientific approach to psychedelics is way overdue. We're getting closer to brain/computer interfacing and we've barely figured out what LSD does to the brain. We need to study all this for a myriad of applications beyond actual use of psychedelics. We need to understand the mind better. Psychedelics are essentially the black holes of the study of the mind. They are the extreme states like in physics that will help us discover the Hawking radiation equivalent discoveries of the mind.

[@TheGeckoNinja]

should bug them on twitter about this idea

Exactly! We want to organize a legal psychedelic retreat with physicists, mathematicians, neuroscientists, and visual artists to map the DMT space. Indeed, not because we think psychedelics are necessarily good, but because as you put it "discoveries abound here".

[@max25i67]

@ what would they be able to discover?

[@zthreetwo9874]

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[@Dhakadice]

@@max25i67 "Drugs are cool" :P

[@magdamuffin1416]

OMG Thank you, for letting me know about Magic Eyes again. I had a book in my childhood but I could never find the actually thing again and im soo amazed I finally found it again!

[@hedgeclipper418]

I have tried to explain an experience I had on DPT so many times, but I think it is something very similar to how you describe the waiting room. It's not that there were fractals projected onto the space around me, but rather that the process generated a fractal out of the space itself, into which I was subsumed. But this patterning built onto a higher level pattern that involved time. After passing through the space fractal, I found myself in a much more regular distorted space, in which a brief narrative occured, and then the time looping started. It felt like I would be trapped in the time looping cycle for eternity, but then the process actually generated a pattern out of the looped segment of time, and I have no memory of what happened after that

[@north6502]

Have you every tried DMT? DPT is very similar in effects with a longer half-life but seemingly more mechanical visuals in terms of artistic expression. Does it smell similar to mothballs as well?

[@MNanme1z4xs]

What this proves is the human bran actually does things like Fourier transformation for visual processing.