The Immortality Key; Psychedelics and the Ancient Age | Brian Muraresku & Prof. Carl Ruck | EP 183

This podcast was recorded on May 14th, 2021.
In today’s episode, Dr. Jordan Peterson is accompanied by author Brian Muraresku and Professor Carl Ruck to unravel the secrets of ancient Greek culture and religion. They embark upon the sinuous journey of discussing psychedelics in Ancient Greek religion, and how both Brian and Professor Ruck became deeply invested in understanding the subject.
Today we meet with Brian Muraresku, who tells us why and how he was drawn to research the role of psychedelics within Western civilization. Muraresku is also the author of The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion With No Name.
Carl Ruck is an American professor who’s known for his extensive research on mythology and religion regarding the sacred role of entheogens; a selection of psychoactive plants that are known for inducing altered states of reality or consciousness. Ruck co-authored the book The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries, and is currently teaching mythology classes supporting this theory at Boston University.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast can be found at www.jordanbpeterson.com/podcast/
Brian Muraresku and Professor Carl Ruck’s books:
Brain Muraresku’s The Immorality Key: www.amazon.com/Immortality-Ke...
Professor Carl Ruck’s The Road to Eleusis:
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[00:00] Introduction
[4:00] Jordan begins the discussion with Muraresku on how he became interested in the subject of psychedelics in ancient Greek religion.
[16:30] The story of Brian's 12-year journey to discover the secret mushroom religion of the ancient Greeks.
[20:00] The idea that beer and ergot are the root psychedelic experience in the form of religious communal experience.
[23:30] Facing death in Eleusis.
[27:00] Overview on Brian's trips while researching for his book The Immortality Key.
[33:00] Muraresku talks about whether or not he’s found links to the origins of Christianity in his research.
[46:30] Professor Carl Ruck joins. They discuss Ruck's co-authorship of The Road to Eleusis.
[55:00] Distinguishing between visionary and hallucinogenic experiences.
[1:04:00] The main thesis of The Road to Eleusis as described by Carl Ruck.
[1:10:00] Shamanic tradition that echoes Greek myth, even Disney movies mirror the same elements of experience.
[1:15:00] Public reactions to The Road to Eleusis.
[1:25:30] Carl Ruck's experience with the kukiyon potion.
[1:31:00] Recounting other psychedelic experiences of Carl Ruck.
[1:36:30] The use of realizations achieved through psychedelic use.
[1:44:00] Speculation on influential thinkers in Western culture that may have been affected by entheogenic substances.
[1:46:00] Brian on not taking entheogenic substances after devoting so much of his life to its research.
[1:49:30] Professor Ruck talks about what the relationship between Dionysus of Greek mythology and Christ is/was.
#Psychedelics #Consciousness #Religion
Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.
Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (877, 958, 1006), The Rubin Report, H3H3, and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content.
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[@markoboychuk]

Still cannot fathom how lucky we are to be able to listen to these kinds of conversations for free. I am extremely grateful.

[@machimasuokudasai8261]

Yes, in a world of trivia and escapism it’s nourishing to listen in.. Ha ha I’m sort of glad I’m not required to participate! These questions of existence are perpetually in the core of us all. Unfortunately most ‘mainstream’ people are not given opportunity for exposure to thoughtful discussion of this awesome human research.

[@erasalams61]

That's the whole point of this conv.

[@jeffron7]

You "pay with a ten shin". Nothing is free.

[@shivaebrahimi27]

Yeaaaaaaassss!!!!!

[@winstoncrawley7921]

@@jeffron7 you over value your ‘a ten shin’

[@Jefrejtor]

Yes, please get Paul Stamets on the show! He's a fascinating figure, and more relevant than ever now.

[@charlescoult]

I'm not sure they could find a whole lot of common ground as Dr. Stamets is more into ecology I think but there's always some crossover between disciplines. It would definitely be a popular one!

[@TheFire-fq8fx]

The mushroom hat guy should be on the podcast

[@roddydykes7053]

Yeah I agree I can’t imagine someone I’d wanna hear more on the show

[@raysmith4582]

Hi hi joy joy joy hi jg

[@XeL__]

and make him say god lel

[@BenAnderson-mg4hu]

Psilocybin saved me from years of uncontrollable depression, anxiety and illicit pill addiction. Imagine carrying heavy chains for over a decade and then all of a sudden that burden is gone. Believe it or not in a couple years the be all over for treatment of mental health related issues.

[@JohnChristopher-jq1ef]

Yes , dr.johnsonshroom.

[@AngelinaEvelyn]

Is he on insta?

[@JesseScott-pc3kb]

Yes of course, he's. dr.johnsonshroom.

[@AndrewRobertson-iq4hf]

​@@JesseScott-pc3kb Can dr.johnsonshroom send to me in TX?

[@ajyerg]

I hate it when shady people take something as beautiful and beneficial as mushrooms and then associate it with dishonest marketing for capital gain. Its sad and disrespectful

[@Izzy-ub9sb]

I am an older woman. I believe many more women listen to your podcasts than is realized. I know several who know of and appreciate your insights. Thank you so much for your bravery and honesty and the incredible effort you have put into studying the science of psychology and humanities to the depth that you have achieved.

[@LAARENATV]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼♥️♥️♥️

[@manuelpineda9067]

It's so fucking great that Jordan is back.

[@solaveritas2]

Yeah but he's not doing well right now. This was recorded back in May

[@rifrafbarker]

@@steven5054 is that true? Rehab?

[@intel6947]

@Darren lmao shut up with that cult shit

[@bart6901]

@Darren you’re a puppet

[@janinecat1865]

@@rifrafbarker He had an averse reaction to prescription drugs that non-specialists didn't know how to fix that led to long-term effects. But they're going to pound that drugs drum forever in every comment section because that's all the deeply impotent can do.

[@yah_bless1234]

the world needs Paul Stamets interviewed by Jordan Peterson.

[@eqx7168]

And Dennis McKenna

[@mitrom6653]

@@eqx7168 at the same time, LETS GOOO

[@lainers175]

Throw Graham Hancock in there too!

[@XeL__]

yes and paul never saying the word god :D

[@frankiesabba]

I’ve been waiting for this for 5 years

[@LordOfTheRings897]

My first trip with LSD was an awakening. I had a panic attack in the beginning (I was nervous), and then I was confronted with how profoundly alone in this life I am. I can have people around, but still the only person in my head is me. The only one who really understands my desires, emotions, and intentions is me alone. That to me made me realize that I didn't have to tell anyone anything. I am not as dependant as I thought I was. But I was with family, and we went outside under the stars to talk all night long. When the affects were wearing off, I was the happiest and most easy going I have been in years. It's like all of my anxiety went away and I felt a calm I had never experienced before. It was amazing.

[@alphaone2834]

I feel so privileged to be able to listen to this conversation

[@r.c.l2569]

Indeed, life changing:)

[@ridgemanthemusicmaker9514]

reality of ones life can be very special when the truth is set forth...congratulations...

[@tommythompson7941]

Thank you Lily for sharing.

[@m.vonhollen6673]

Effects and affects… the first is a noun; the second is a verb. So “the effects were wearing off”; that’s how it affected you.

[@neilcowmeadowguitartuition2230]

How refreshing it is to hear highly intelligent, passionate people discuss their ideas - so different from the rabid despots who rage against Jordan when he dares to remain dignified and polite in the face of their attacks. Thank you gentlemen, it was a pleasure to hear you today.

[@AfterSkool]

Brian's book, "The Immortality Key", is extraordinary. It's a story that begins with curiosity, which turns into an investigation, which turns into a thrilling adventure.

[@yosemitesam9679]

Your video on the book was stunning!

[@Simplypallets]

There are few books I buy in print to "memorialize". After listening to "The Immortality Key" it proudly sits on my bookshelf next to Dr. Peterson's books as well as a few from Graham Hancock's.

[@EricYoungArt]

I just bought the audiobook after finishing this podcast for the second time lol ive seen Brian on JRE but for some reason this interview was the push i needed to dive in.

[@TsmithJustin]

Oh snap! Look at you over here learnin and shit.

[@Simplypallets]

@@EricYoungArt I've must have listen to the audiobook half a dozen times already. Truly amazing and profound.

[@StanSyfert]

Oof that last quote from Prof. Ruck hit deep: "Once you wake up it's hard to remember the dream..."

[@waynetot9767]

It gets easier, the lesson over and over is that everything is one. Countless levels, same lesson, so, hurt others, hurt the self. Like a reverse of the golden rule from Kant.

[@StanSyfert]

@@gilcostello3316 I'm almost 30 now and I have to say the last few years (5/6) have been very confusing. Many nervous breakdowns, constent ups and downs. Have been getting truly stuck in my inner world for long periods. Only now slowly climbing out of there, with help (psychologist, yoga, girlfriend, friends)! But I feel like I've grown a lot through these troubles. Exited for what to come in my life :)

[@theonewithnoname8137]

Carl's shirt is priceless! Not to mention his conclusion of his experience!

[@TheJackSP]

Please do the Paul Stamments interview!! That would be excellent! Thank you for all your work!

[@danielboone8748]

The most profound experience I've had, the closest to God I've ever felt was a day in a park in Mt Pleasant, MI in 1977 with 2 friends while on mushrooms. It was so profound and memorable that 44 years later, the experience still stands out in its purity and power in my mind. No words were exchanged that day as we hiked and meditated and thoroughly enjoyed our surroundings. Discussing the experience afterwards, we all agreed that words were not necessary at the time, because we all knew what the others were thinking.

[@str8neverstr8ened60]

I'm a fellow "Michiganite" not a "Michigander" lol southeast corner town of Monroe and currently living in Wayne county Romulus.

[@crypticgirl507]

I've had EXACTLY the same mental experience with 3 old friends from about 30 years ago...cept we were on acid! We were in a very remote, yet safe place... just the 4 of us and it was nothing short of profound peace and joy.

[@Jmoneysmoothboy]

Spoken words were not unnecessary, they were insufficient. I imagine communication was taking place and when you say "we all knew what the others were thinking" you are not speaking metaphorically.

[@davidfavre8296]

I would freak out with people i think... The few times i did mushroom were alone in my house. I dont think i am capable to have a peaceful time with people around. That was still memorable tho!

[@willygoat4113]

I ate at the Culver’s in Mt. Pleasant yesterday.

[@shabbywabbythewatermelon6269]

Interviewing Paul Stamets would be an awesome discussion

[@leborhal7450]

I don't think we could survive that.

[@shabbywabbythewatermelon6269]

@@leborhal7450 What does that even mean too much info for you to take in?

[@peterc9200]

You mean Dennis McKenna!

[@shabbywabbythewatermelon6269]

@@peterc9200 No I mean Paul, Dennis is interesting but Paul is an amazing scientist/researcher especially even getting into saving the bees

[@Goldenfeline9]

Thank you Dr. Petersen for having the courage to bring these conversations to this open forum ❤

[@rebeccahnorman2923]

waited my whole life to hear this conversation and it has consolidated my experience

[@demixed]

Jordan never misses the opportunity to bring up the story of rescuing your father from the Belly of the Beast

[@travislee9396]

I’m here to tell you that psilocybin, and LSD, when combined with actual internal exploration can bring about fundamental changes. Micro dosing has served me well. While I have not actually ingested enough in any single session to actually have a “trip”, the results over the years speak for itself. I suffered from untreated and misdiagnosed PTSD. For decades I suffered depression and anxiety, that threatened my sanity. Along with these wonderful substances and an acceptance of Christ, I’ve been able to pull myself above all the issues and have begun to clean up my room. God bless you Jordan Peterson. With God and you on my side I can now live a good life. A life in which I can give back to those around me and build something for the future. Please take care of yourself Dr. Peterson. The world is better for having you in it.

[@DaCodesMan]

My anecdotal experiences shine similar to yours, albeit I've encountered actual trips. My entire personality shifted and changed after doing psychedelics, therapeutically, and under moderation with proper set and setting. I increased in openness to new experience drastically and neuroticism lowered. I used LSD between the ages of 17-20. I am now 25. Currently I don't use LSD anymore and frequent psilocybin once a year. The biggest change for me was in increase in creativity. It was drastic. Musical abilities I wasn't aware I possessed. Ideas flowed more easily in every day life. Incredible things. One of my favorite quotes is from Timothy Leary, paraphrasing here, "I learned more about mind in 6 hours on psilocybin than I did in all of my time as a psychologist."

[@bloodcamarosexmagik4223]

If I gave you my email, would you be open to contacting me? Have dealt with the same things you have dealt with and just haven't had any success at treating it. I never really considered psychedelics because I used to do a lot as a teenager which eventually turned into always having bad trips. Would really like to discuss your results with you. Thank you

[@travislee9396]

@@Gruszyn90 well until you try it at the level I use, you know it’s not a placebo. I dose at 70 mcg. I suggest you try that amount and see what works for you. Unless you have something proven, ie personal experience, everything is a placebo. Why come on here just to state that it’s a placebo, with nothing to site? You do understand that even a placebo effect the results for the individual are real? I suggest you do some more reading and let those with experience tell their tale. Be a force for good. Follow JPs advice.

[@mofayer]

Placebo is not a negative, it is marvelously positive. It indicates that we are in control of our destiny we just haven't fully realized it, we are waking up.

[@harrygabelich2948]

@@travislee9396 can I email you? I have a few questions

[@sophicfire]

Ruck: "If you want to study the soul, you have to study the humanities". This conversation and the research that Muraresku and Ruck have done are on the cutting edge. Wonderful

[@roselotusmystic]

AND . . . ViceVersa 🙏

[@tylerjeb7888]

Ruck's a weird dude. I don't like it when people extract religiosity out of psychedelic experiences. There are plenty of cultures throughout history that did the same and came up with all sorts of twisted gods that they made brutal human sacrifices to. Is that the wisdom of psychedelics? Like, let's keep a level head here. There's some video of him at a festival where he indicates that in Ancient Greece they would execute people who consumed the eleusinian beverage outside of the ceremony, and he thought this made sense, and that it was like some horrible sin to use this stuff recreationally.

[@tomasosangmuir754]

@@tylerjeb7888 It is foolish to judge the actions of ancient civilizations. They were in a less conscious state and less aware of the idea of an individual human ego, life had less value, death was less important. Notice how as we move forward in time, humans become more fragile, more risk averse, less willing to die, less willing to sacrifice.

[@tylerjeb7888]

@@tomasosangmuir754 I think if different people extract wildly different messages out of psychedelic use, then regardless of how heavenly or out of body the experience may be, it's likely just mirroring your personality, not sending you messages from God. Ruck, and many others, seem to strongly disagree with this.

[@gordianknot6867]

@@tylerjeb7888 can I just say guys I think your conversation is wonderful

[@joeleonard5345]

This was incredible. People are beginning to understand! And what a treat to have such brilliant minds discuss this and distribute it to us at no cost. Thanks so much Jordan!

[@mannysmandatories5595]

This is the most important conversation to reclaim the religion of our ancestors; this time out of the hands of institutions, and into the hands of the individuals to help them rediscover the transcendent values for themselves.

[@buildup4146]

It's a very fascinating and all consuming indeed, however I was also raised Christian, then in my early teens I followed this line of enquiry with everything I had. I became a shaman and became expert in the use of and practical, ritual application all of these hallucinogenic substances. I was determined to know if the ancient ceremonial use of these substances were at the heart of 'real' Christianity (the tree of knowledge being these forbidden fruits) or if it was a demonic deception to use these things. After almost twenty years of following these possible synonymous paths, questioning all the way, simultaneously studying the Bible in depth and the history thereof I came to the terrifying realisation that these juxtaposed avenues are exactly that. Sadly, videos and books like the ones presented here are part of the greatest deception mankind has ever been subjected to. It is called the New Age, but is in fact the end of creation as we know it, and the Antichrist is near. I pray this will find those seeking the Truth will listen to Jesus' gentle voice calling them and that we bind together to grow in the body of Christ our Lord and Saviour. God bless all those who read this. Amen.

[@CM-xi1nh]

Anything of any great value will create an institution -- institutions are not the problem, the problem is that they by the nature of reality will lean towards tyranny because even earned power can be corrupting force, and it will become corrupt when the Left abdicates its responsibility to tend and prune hierarchies in a responsibly way, ie, focusing on equality of outcome as opposed to meritocracy.

[@TheFire-fq8fx]

YES. THIS.

[@susieferrar1117]

Tending/pruning hierarchies in a responsible way is to focus on equality of opportunity NOT equality of outcome!

[@mannysmandatories5595]

@@TheGuiltsOfUs what?

[@alant492]

The last 3 minutes of this conversation... mind-blowing.

[@pernu6477]

It was a 🎤 drop!!

[@jordan.1836]

This has been, single handedly, one of the best conversations I have ever listened to.

[@willrommel363]

Having a near death experience, and two psychedelic breakthroughs with dmt and psylocibin - this whole conversation and the immortality key - is understood very easily. Love this video and the book is in order. I frequently post about these experiences. “If you want to know the secret to life, think energy, frequency and vibration”. - nikola Tesla

[@dontfaround441]

How can something come out of nothing? How something exist? How anything exist? Am I really a god or psychedelic people mean something else?

[@jonnyt5118]

@@dontfaround441 It can’t come from nothing. I’ve had some pretty profound experiences on psychedelics and never thought I was a god or even close. But my best understanding is when you seem to merge with the source of consciousness itself, some people might consider themselves God when that happens but that’s far from my own intuitive interpretation. Alan Watts describes something similar in eastern traditions.

[@ambermoon719]

@@jonnyt5118 My thought and experience is you connect with God, or Source, or whatever one wishes to name it, and then it stays with you and is an energy to tap into and I think that’s our purpose, even in the simplest of things to be tapped into, and even immersed or becoming very a vessel for the divine in the everyday ordinary (grace) and it’s also like a muse for mind fountains of creativity and also the best place for wisdom/ guidance if you want to hear the truth about what you’re doing right and wrong. I’m still following the inner guidance, and I haven’t taken the psilocybin for a bit.

[@NeuroPulse]

Dr Peterson thank you for acknowledging the danger of alcohol. As a recovering alcoholic, 7 years sober, it is a breath of fresh air to hear somebody point out the danger instead of just idiotically admiring it.

[@redrustyhill2]

Water is dangerous too, should JP speak about that?

[@vickishook9715]

Blessings! Mega blessings to you! I grew up with an alcoholic father, and the damage will take lifetimes to work through. Or maybe just one sylasibin trip! Lol

[@cindyd2956]

‘When you get to the end of the journey you find yourself looking back’. Gave me goosebumps 🥶

[@dakini365]

All journeys of self discovery always brings one right back to where you are now.

[@cindyd2956]

@@dakini365 what a relief

[@plebtech481]

I went from an addict hardly able to maintain a part time job, to a Space Satellite Engineer that teaches youths as a guest lecturer in a relatively short amount of time because of Paul Stamets (and also no small part to the lectures from yourself) work. Defiantly interview worthy. Great to see the King on form once again!

[@blaisemorris1301]

Perhaps many addicts are misplaced shamen ? Nobody promised it would be an easy journey!

[@marina.todorovic]

Hello, What book did you read ?

[@plebtech481]

@@marina.todorovic That helped me? Or of Paul Stamets? I guess all books help really; I read Paul Stamets Psilocybin Mushroom identification guide a few years ago, which lead to me watching some of his talks on KZbin, and to me doing my own research in to mushrooms... during my "research" while at a music festival when I was trapped in my tent due to a thunderstorm, I took a hand full of mushrooms and got in to Carl Jung; The Red Book is a heavy read but once I unpacked what is in there I found it most useful and looked at things from a new perspective. Dr Peterson's 12 Rules for life is also worth reading, I've bought it a few times because I always end up giving it away to someone more in need of it than I 😁 These days I don't really smoke weed, avoid synthetics & opioids, hardly ever take mushrooms except maybe once or twice a year... I still drink more than I'd like, but I'm vastly better than I was and improving each day.

[@scottykingdavid]

Do share more..

[@blaisemorris1301]

@@scottykingdavid Shamanism is the Structured use of altered states (subconsious ? mind) as opposed to logical thinking (consious ? mind), Id say somebody trying to constantly get or stay in an altered state could perhaps be getting but misunderstanding the calling to be a shaman , as to be a shaman you need to get in the altered state and have the discipline to ask questions and explore the state for a specific purpose.

[@NoMoreFunland]

The colourful spectrums dancing across the scene with Brian’s segment were an auspicious touch of seemingly random grace & beauty. Somebody out/up/down/in there loves what took place. Great guests with different experiences. Very insightful conversations.

[@njm5642]

‘’I think the red book came out of that’’ JBP : wtf ?

[@watchingbrain]

the might of 1000 wtfs in a seconds glance: this podcast will be fantastic!

[@njm5642]

@@EdHarrisonMusic that’s the implication I got from that look on his face as well.

[@leahgrace1923]

@@EdHarrisonMusic That exactly how I took it, almost like the old dial-up sound- things are connecting :D

[@Gallowglass7]

@@EdHarrisonMusic indeed

[@mrkyburzy]

"furiously processing the implications" is one of the many definitions of "wtf?" Perhaps the best.

[@bravenewgaming]

JP thriving in the days of 'just getting by'

[@Gallowglass7]

No matter how I feel, I always say ''I'm getting by''

[@leedsdrumacademy]

@@Gallowglass7 Be more! :)

[@razzledazzlecheeseontoast9808]

Thanks @@leedsdrumacademy , I needed to hear this.

[@Gallowglass7]

@@leedsdrumacademy I mean there's times in my life where I'm living the dream, harmony reigns, but I still say ''getting by''

[@raresbalta]

i aspire to live like him

[@toddwmac]

Wow...the collective intellect, curiosity, and courage of these three men is hard to fully grok. What a great cocktail party invite list.

[@Salazarsbizzar]

I been a phyconaut for 30 years. I've done finger prints and Dmt. Ive mixed all manor of drugs. The most meaningful moment of my life was the moment my son entered the world. All my conversations with god had little importance when stacked up next to his most important gift.

[@danielsmith969]

Its really a shame that we dont get a JP and Terence McKenna conversation.

[@kwewucamp8363]

What about his brother? I think that would be just as great!

[@danielsmith969]

@@kwewucamp8363 That would be great. Dennis definitely isnt the same as Terrence though.

[@cosmictickle5168]

Jordan dreams of being one tenth of Terence. Why do so many people worship Jordan?

[@trst361]

Or a JBP and MF Doom conversation, which I started commenting ironically. But now thinking of MF Doom's universe created in his lyrics. Now I feel like I was possessed to type that comment, anima.

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

My version of heaven is Jordan Peterson in long convos with Alan Watts haha. I've come to conclude that Watts is mom, and Peterson is dad, and we need both.

[@cindyd2956]

“If you die before you die you won’t die when you die” that’s profound 🧐

[@beluga2841]

Time stamp

[@JonathanSorenson204]

If you have an ego/psychic death from entheogens, and become one with everything, you may be left with the feeling that there is life after death. Makes sense. It's why Roland Griffiths patients stop fearing death after a high dose trip.

[@-solidsnake-]

@@JonathanSorenson204 that’s possible but also consider that the lack of fear of death is a mental disorder related to the high doses administered? Lmao

[@robertanastase558]

@@-solidsnake- i have experienced this through a high dose of psilocybin and i don't want to die lol. It's just that the fear of death is mostly gone now and i believe that there is something else after death. It's not the end but perhaps just the beginning.

[@intelligentbodywork]

The meaning of life is too realize life and prepare you to happily die.

[@danielkirsteinthornjensen7997]

Never at University (with one or two possible exceptions) have i listened to such deep and intelligent conversation. It is so fluent that you nearly forgets how profound and complicated the subjects are.

[@laurenpaterson3475]

University is not to educate just keep you in line

[@tiffanyleighcrim4669]

I have been learning about psychedelics for over 30 years it has kept me free in this journey of life. So blessed feeling so thankful for my belief in nature. Nurture yourself and you will be nurtured .!

[@iitsashaminbang2113]

Its been life study for me, an amazing insight for sure. The only thing that I have brought back is how little we know, makes one humble because each time I think Ive worked it out, it kicks me in the balls for my ego stance. Downside is that i find it hard to mix with others, especially people who have big opinions about things theyve never experienced. Personally i dont go with the set and setting thing, that to me is part of humans trying to control. Dont go anywhere near shamens or organised stuff. I go the other way and try to make set and setting as shit as possible, public toilets, always on my own, I dont want any external influences. The horrific trips are when you get to face yourself and heal. then they are mixed with utter amasing lightness and fun, when it wants me to see that. Personally think there is too much discussion and egos. My ex used to journey with me and always egoed out with how she was so connected, special and in control, when i was just WTF !

[@leahgrace1923]

The preview had me rolling on the floor XD

[@cindyd2956]

That look on his face at the thought ofJung on mushrooms 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adamthemyth]

I'm rolling in my grave, laughing.

[@curfimo9793]

love it

[@robertanastase558]

@@adamthemyth lmao

[@amranha_]

me too!

[@bradleymcgivney5305]

it seems that Peterson's theme with his guest, is trying to learn about something greater that Jordan is wondering himself. Might i suggest Jordan adding a summary section at the end of each one of these that brings together the strongest take aways.

[@luckycharms3504]

I agree with that and have also thought the same. A kind of list of takeaways of the main points they covered . I like it. 👍

[@reign5276]

He is after God, he just doesn't quite understanding it or know why.

[@antonthart4444]

@@reign5276 Absolutely!!

[@daveeh65]

Cool idea. After some time to ponder the conversation and what of it endured

[@whosyodaddy13]

@@reign5276 - I think he’ll find that God was right there all along. I love going on this journey with JBP.

[@MacCelium]

What a great video. Among many other wonderful aspects of these discussions, the deep respect Jordon shows to Dr Ruck is both beautiful and telling. As hyperbolic as it sounds, the world is lucky Brian is taking on some of Ruck's ideas and moving them into the 21st century. Thank you all, we are blessed to have you with us.

[@abhiramvarma12345678]

Feels so great seeing this man's energy and health back 🥰

[@maythesanerain7515]

I love hearing Terence’s name come out of respectable people’s mouths.

[@spencerstephens7594]

He said so I spent about 2 years listening to Terrence and I was like YES ME TOO

[@scandahl1]

@@spencerstephens7594 me too, but make it 3 years 😆

[@patriciaschlessman5476]

Exactly what I thought, I love where we are in these conversations.

[@marcus8710]

Just checking in. How's your wave on the short scales?

[@maythesanerain7515]

The new Lex Fridman - Rick Doblin podcast is great too, these conversations just keep getting better.

[@SpaceDr00ze]

I really appreciate psychedelics being spoken about in such a sophisticated manner. There are strange things afoot.

[@achmedwilders-baudet7006]

Right? It makes one feel less guilty for using them.

[@aditimascarenhas5608]

manner* and i agree

[@SpaceDr00ze]

@@aditimascarenhas5608 haha good catch. Thank you.

[@jordanrilett8382]

@@achmedwilders-baudet7006 its is lovely .not to be overdone tho I also prefer to be alone while doing them

[@SpaceDr00ze]

@Darren I suspect Jordan would agree with the verse you quoted, but disagree with your interpretation.

[@LockedInTheZoo]

Well, that was just about the best conversation I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. I'm shook to the core!

[@Spodie]

I love that psychedelics are getting the attention they deserve.

[@vedicapproach8105]

Me too brother, me too.

[@agnidas5816]

negative explaining away and making sure the listeners never do them while passifying those who use them. The fact that Peterson is not advocating for use of psilocybin mushrooms in every video speaks volumes for how lost he is in the world - entirely lost. he has on a guest who has never had psychedelics... nevermind actually understanding that addressing psychedelics as a whole instead of individual substances is great folly in and of itself... 'getting attention they deserve' lol ...

[@John_Connor556]

Fuckin A, bout time 💯🍄

[@leecottles7743]

I don’t I wouldn’t endorse psychedelics the first time I consumed LSD it was blotter I have done blotter twice orange and purple microdot twice the first hit a blotter change my life forever I never thought or saw things the same way again , it opened my third eye 👁, I became awake , I was a teen however ,

[@John_Connor556]

@@leecottles7743 Know your dealer + mindset & setting (also if one has a personal &/or family history of schizophrenia def shouldn't, but otherwise not a risk) 👍

[@3xquisiteLat]

This was over TOO soon, I loved every second of it. Thank you JP!

[@jordanfranck]

I just saw Brian Muraresku, Psychedelics, and Jordan Peterson in the title and got so excited. Can’t wait to hear this convo!

[@djbabbotstown]

I don’t know why. But I have that odd feeling after watching this one. The feeling when something made an impact. Not comfortable almost.

[@djbabbotstown]

@Darren Your going to have to do better than fire and brimstone Bible bashing. We are moving beyond that.

[@markbrock8662]

Great video, great interview. It is interesting to me, the psychedelic aspect of enlightenment. I had this experience a couple of years ago without the use of any drug. It was quite spontaneous. I was not seeking it. The most I can say is that it appears to have happened to me due to some deep personal emotional pain I was going through. It was as though God lifted me up out of my pain and showed me my true self. I can say that it was a paradigm shift for me that was immediate. From that point on I no longer fear death, mine or anyone's. I can see that I am not my body, my mind, or my circumstance. And that I can see how what I think is 'me' is largely a persona that the world and my mind has created, but that this is not my true nature. I can touch my true nature now, and I can commune with God, because I know that he lifted me up that night and I know he is with me always. I know that probably sounds a bit strange. Similar to what folks trying psychedelics are reporting. It was the most significant event of my life, aside from living each day. No drugs involved. But I don't know that I could point anyone down that path. It seems like grace to me, that I was blessed with the experience.

[@voicelesslanguages]

I understand. I've had a similar experience having never taken a psychedellic drug. I saw patterns and moving geometric... then being elevated too the light. Seeing light beings. I guess it's called an obe.

[@calthorp]

I remain doubtful that drugs can help with a path to God. I think disembodied spirits take the opportunity to deceive those on that path, For those of us that have faith God can help us when we really need it. Thank you for your story.

[@eunicehutu7659]

​@calthorp maybe the drugs are used to get that spiritual realm connection...I believe itsfor misguided, non-believers. I believe i G believ

[@eunicehutu7659]

​@calthorp maybe the drugs are used to get that spiritual realm connection...I believe itsfor misguided, non-believers. I believe i G believ

[@devinlines4398]

"We go out to the edge of the world to gather wisdom but we are not able to bring it back" literally the experience of psychedelics

[@vickishook9715]

And dreams we try to remember the next morning

[@abcabc9893]

So why do it then, if you can't bring anything back? Does that not tell you something important that warrants exploring?

[@devinlines4398]

@@abcabc9893 A question only an experience can answer.

[@iantodoyle5074]

We certainly are able to bring the wisdom back. The rites and rituals would have ensured that. And the integration processes. Its all about context before during and after. Not just the trip. If you use them as a party drug, then sure your right.

[@ajru-theatredelopprime2251]

Deveni Lines, my experience is like Ianto Doyle's: go to a person who offers it in a ritual/ ceremonial context and that offers an intergration circle after the experience. Also, if the dose is lower, integration is easier. Good luck on your journey.

[@ericharmon7163]

You can see Jordan getting shaper as these videos have progressed. It's so good to see. We love you man, and have missed your presence.

[@jabrown]

JBP discussing psychedelics is one of my favourite things ever.

[@alexmarmaduke1022]

You can tell he really wants to try them himself.

[@jabrown]

@@alexmarmaduke1022 Hahahaha yeah that's the feeling I always get. I suspect he has already tried, or at least I like to imagine that XD

[@louisgiokas2206]

I just ordered Brian's book. It will be here tomorrow. There is so much I could say about this. I came of age in 1970. We did LSD in high school. A few years later, still in the 1970s we did mushrooms. I remember a time when we were going into a science fiction movie. We took the mushrooms in the parking lot. I don't remember the film. I remember taking the mushrooms, and remember that the experience was rather strange. I had a friend who was over 10 years older and grew up in Berkley. He and his wife did many drugs at the time. When I met him they had gotten into meditation and did not do drugs ro drink. One of my professors at university in the early 1970s talked about this. He said that when they first did LSD it was an almost religious experience and very controlled. One, or a few would do it and there would be others who were there to "support" them, if they needed it. He knew things were falling apart when people we sitting around bored and decided to do it just to have something to do. It had no significance and the outcomes were often very bad.

[@CSwift-vr1qg]

Hahaha, the experiences I’ve had with them were very similar, which was strange, not nearly as significant as it’s cracked up to be, and 3 out of the ten or so times, not such a pleasant experience. 1 time it was terrible.

[@frankwelch3594]

"Once you wake up it's hard to remember the dream."

[@raycharlestothebs]

Yeah that really hit me

[@paulgray2928]

Unless you talk about the dream as soon as you wake up

[@donwarner6925]

@@paulgray2928 smart ass

[@funbigly]

@@paulgray2928 you cant talk about something you cant remember, champ

[@paulgray2928]

@@funbigly when i lived with my ex , she would always ask me what i dream about , and in the morning it was still vivid in my head , and could recall what i dreamt about, but now staying on my own i have no one to tell about the dream and i forget easy, there is also lucid dreams which are very much ingrained in my memories, especially the recurring dreams.

[@mdeodar]

Tired of people citing The New York Times as if credibility is one of its values.

[@bigrig4385]

You're so right. In my opinion, you can no longer be taken seriously as a functional adult if you quote the NYT, WP, CNN, etc.

[@GOTYOUR-iz8ck]

After reading Thomas Sowell's Intellectuals and Society I've been left thinking they weren't credible since about 1914.

[@boyerindustries]

I don’t think that was the assumption. I think the reference was just to validate just how mainstream and widely accepted the subject has become again (enough to be covered by legacy media outlets). not in the sense that “it must be the gospel since NYT covered it.” etc

[@jucie3]

every country needs a Jordan Peterson!

[@TheTLC008]

Thank you for this incredible conversation. I enjoyed all three of you. I am grateful for the time that you spent, and that I was fortunate enough to listen to.

[@xNicl4z]

As someone who has “experimented” tremendously with LSD, psilocybin, DMT, 2C-B etc., I truly enjoyed watching this conversation. While I definitely don’t encourage others to use such drugs, I can without a doubt say that it is one of the best things I’ve ever done for myself, because it has granted me the opportunity to expand my horizon and look at the world through a different lens. One of the greatest benefits that I’ve gained from it is the ability to deal with or rather “accept” my mortality.

[@redrustyhill2]

I'm on the fence still about my experience with shrooms. It's been a year and I don't know if I should try it again. It wasn't pleasant and I'm not so sure it had a positive effect. It was as if I lost my mind, I'm still trying to sort it out. If it was showing me part of myself, I don't want to be me anymore.

[@redrustyhill2]

@@xNicl4z cubensis I believe. Don't know if that's spelled right. They were grown by someone, a friend of a friend. Both bad experiences were on those. 1st was horrible, started out a nice lovely high which didn't last long and then it crashed and it was just a state of neurotic anxiety. I made the mistake of looking in a mirror and that terrified me greatly, it was like my image was moving or talking to me and I was standing still, I got out quick! 6grams. I was at home alone, felt safe but it was like nobody else existed and even my dog was avoiding me. 2nd time was in nature, similar experience not as extreme as I only took 5 grams but that time I felt what it's like to loose your mind and was afraid I'd be like that forever. I should probably sell this stash and try something else but they are hard to come by here and I havn't found any growing naturally in my area.

[@bluej6127]

@Darren yeah u spoke my mind. Thank you.

[@redrustyhill2]

@Darren 🤣🤣🤣 sorry to burst your bubble but petersen is too awake and intelligent to "accept Jesus Christ as lord". if only you knew how silly that statement sounds.

[@jaymyers6452]

@@redrustyhill2 he is an orthadox christian , he does believe

[@andrewthespacelord6693]

dr.peterson is amazingly articulate and profound. He's my freakin' role model

[@janinecat1865]

@Pinned by Jordan B Peterson I will never understand anyone who ever falls for these bots.

[@mikemallon4620]

Yes!! Please interview Paul!! His work is extremely valuable and important!

[@oVJedi]

thank you for doing what you do Dr. Peterson!

[@starksanchez3812]

Hey internet Dad/Professor Peterson, just felt like telling you that I love you and hope you and your family are doing well. I haven't been able to watch your videos as much recently since I've been busy but still thinking of you. All the best.

[@alfredsalas6381]

Idk for sure but I’d say He’d be happy that you are busy ! As long as you’re keeping your room clean lol

[@psilo5623]

43:30 STAMETS X PETERSON !!! Please Jordan make it happen. This would be unreal!

[@psilo5623]

@@victoriajones1599 shut up bot

[@JoshWiniberg]

This was one of the most interesting conversations on the podcast. I watched it when it first came out but only just now got round to reading Brian's book. It's a real tour de force, one of the most engaging and interesting books I've ever read. Thanks so much for hosting Brian and introducing me to his work!

[@thisdude5825]

Dr. Ruck: "I think of it as a journey to discover who you are. And when you go on this journey, it gets dangerous, you feel that maybe you should turn back, but just up ahead it looks as though it might even be more interesting up there and so you go further and further and further. And when you get to the end of the journey, what you find is yourself looking back." YEEESSSSSSSSS. MIC DROP MOMENT. This man knows very well what he's talking about.

[@FastForwardSailing]

I'm trying to figure this out. Does "yourself looking back" imply the journey was fruitless? Not quite sure the meaning of the statement.

[@yasser_hussain]

@@FastForwardSailingNot sure if it's meant to be understood in an intellectual way. This seems something that should be experienced directly rather than understood intellectually.

[@FastForwardSailing]

@@yasser_hussain It seems to me he's hinting that the journey is pointless as you're fine as you are. If you have to experience this 'yourself looking back' to understand it then thats a lot of time wasted to realise you wasted your time

[@thisdude5825]

@@FastForwardSailing No, it's not at all meant to imply that the journey is pointless. He's referring to the fact that you run into the mirror of consciousness. This is why he says afterward that you are "god". Yasser is correct in saying that this is something to be experienced directly. Trying to understand it is like trying to see your own eye without a mirror. This is why the initiates were called "initiates." This is why these concepts are called "esoteric," meaning they are mysterious to the uninitiated.

[@tomasosangmuir754]

@@FastForwardSailing Life is a circle. Samsara. You think you are moving forward (you are) but you always end up back in the same place. You are like the spoke of a wheel rotating and slowly moving forward. The hero's journey ends with the hero either dead (tragedy) or back home where he came from. He is physically in the same place, but psychologically completely transformed.

[@martinburrows6844]

"Its quite the trip" well played mr peterson.

[@theinsistingservant9543]

Lol

[@Art2GoCanada]

"What a a long strange trip it's been" ~ Gerry Garcia

[@kingdomkid7225]

I thought to myself “ok Peterson, I see you..” 😎

[@khshrikantkhaba9093]

This series is better than my whole college studies about my personal questions.

[@legoman911]

Consciousness cannot be explored without a free and open discussion, there is too much that we do not know to ignore the obvious curiosities we have about our origin and our being. This means many controversial topics must be explored personally and objectively, nothing can be off the table. These are conversations I’ve been waiting for all my life, thank you JBP. And yes please do find a slot for Paul Stamets. This would be amazing

[@adamwhite1920]

Yes, you should interview Paul Stamets. He's great!

[@adamwhite1920]

@@tinfoilhatter he's done a few interviews on Joe Rogan's show, so maybe he would still do them? I dunno

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

Yes

[@saraanddarrinmoneer3696]

Prof. Peterson ,you sir , are a true GIFT to man kind!!! We all are forever in your debt! THANK YOU

[@tanorbonin9509]

Jung's visions precipitating his work on the Red Book began in the autumn of 1913, ostensibly anticipating the outbreak of World War 1. His work on the Red Book was set aside in 1930. Jung's known trip to Taos was in January of 1925 as a sojourn following a trip to the Eastern United States in late 1924. He delivered a series of seminars at the Psychology Club in Zurich this same winter, and in one of these seminars in March 1925 described active imagination for the first time. It is inconceivable that Jung spent an undocumented year in Taos prior to 1913. The idea that The Red Book emerged from Jung's use of psychedelics in Taos is implausible.

[@altermachina]

It's OK though. Because just by the fact that people want to believe that he had psychedelic experiences shows how irrational, mystical and wise he was. He accessed to some kind of truth, or essence should I say, that fascinates us. Who knows, maybe he even took some of his patients medicines (laughs). Jung's thoughts and publications are so deep that it's mind blowing. For some people it could be called non-sense, fair enough, but to who is interested in imagination, dreams, the unconscious, symbols, myths, psychedelics, etc... We KNOW he was into something. He might not be right on everything, but what matters is that he found truth in some things. That's one of the best things each one of us can do. Find a piece of the TRUTH.

[@tanorbonin9509]

@@altermachina Agreed

[@altermachina]

@@tanorbonin9509 :) thank you for you insight.

[@calthorp]

Thank you.

[@tomhamilton5707]

Wonderful and quite likely highly important discussion. Thank you to all involved - didn’t want it to finish!

[@stephencarlsbad]

This is why I Love Dr Peterson! He's unafraid to confront conventional beliefs and thought in order to positively change the paradigm for the benefit of us all!

[@thomaselsnerjungiananalyst8179]

Great interview - after I forced myself to listen past the very first blurb! Prof. Ruck’s assertion that Jung was in Taos for a year experimenting with hallucinogens has zero evidence to support it. Plus his assertion that he thinks that Jung’s Red Book came out of his supposed experiments with hallucinogens in Taos is demonstrably false with just knowing a little bit of history. Jung’s process with the Red Book began around 1915. Jung was in Taos in 1925. Jung’s visions that inspired the RB came pre- WWI and, because Jung was, as a psychiatrist, so familiar with the visions of his psychotic patients, he believed that these visions indicated he might be “doing a schizophrenia.” They had nothing to do with hallucinogens but when WWI broke out Jung said that nobody was happier than him for now he knew that these apocalyptic visions were related to the outbreak of war in Europe and not personal to him. Nathanael Chawkin’s comment, a quote from Jung’s letter to Victor White, clearly states Jung’s attitude towards psychedelics. The idea that Jung’s Red Book came out of his use of hallucinogens is just totally false, and the fact that Prof. Ruck states this assertion with such apparent confidence made me wonder if he does the same thing in his speculations about Eleusis. The unconscious psyche, and its symbolism of death and rebirth, is experienceable in many different ways, for example dreams and spontaneous fantasies, and the implication that psychedelics are the only “way in” is perhaps a symptom of how far our culture has gotten from the mythopoetic symbolism of the archetypal dimension of the mind.

[@monikawikman3796]

Yes, this misinformation as the clip to advertise the conversation is negligent, fact check on the Jung material would make Jordan pull the conversation if he was wise, after that confabulation, how is a listener supposed to trust the rest of the material?

[@jakeelsner2963]

I agree with that statement

[@fedorilitchev5092]

unfortunately, Jordan all too frequently does not fact-check his various guests' claims in this channel

[@PaperGrape]

Great comment. I mean, Jordan questions him on him and he clearly has a doubtful look (probably knew better), but further, Ruck immediately admits that he's not sure 🤷‍♂️meh, I don't blame Jordan for putting a little bait out there lol

[@brentberry5218]

@@monikawikman3796 I understand your concerns and logic in questioning the trustworthiness. I would just caution against using this specific error in a part as an indictment of the whole. I detect a genuine attempt on both of their parts to tell what they believe is true, but people can be mistaken. It is the feeling I get about the honesty of intent that makes me more or less inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. This guy gave up a high paying legal career to focus on investigating these mysteries, which was a much more likely way of earning money than writing a book. With this in mind, I tend to believe his intent is to reveal hidden truths, rather than fabricate false facts.

[@NinjaNein]

Best intro ever Peterson left speechless

[@DwreckJ]

This is the way of the future. These kinds of conversations, being available and easily accessible to anyone with the inclination to listen, absorb and apply these invaluable lessons to their lives, is what society is so desperately yearning for. There is no adequate form of gratitude to appropriately recognize the significance of what you are making and providing to the public here, Dr. Peterson. Thank you nonetheless. Thank you for saving mine and what must be countless others’ lives with your diligent commitment to the truth.

[@davidpolaczek3614]

Lmfao that intro...when he said the red book came out of psychedelics it just blew Jordan's F'n mind lol

[@OnePercentBetter]

+1

[@ys9462]

😂😂

[@luckycharms3504]

Mic drop moment for sure. Like you could literally see his mind go....boom

[@JohnGodwin777]

According to Jung, a Gnostic who worshipped the Gnostic god (i.e. fallen angel) named Abraxis, he wrote his Red Book while being possessed by spirits who told him what to write. Another example of “automatic writing”, the writings of evil spirits speaking to or through a medium, is the book Urantia which also is Gnostic in nature. When people take psychedelics they open themselves up to the influence of evil spirits which attempt to get people to believe the serpent’s lie that we can become gods.

[@davidpolaczek3614]

@@JohnGodwin777 I really like what you said. I'm a big fan of Gary Wayne and his book the genesis 6 conspiracy where he outlines in great detail the religion of the fallen angels and there transhuman progeny and how there is a clear line of there teachings that stretch all the way to present day...I highly recommend. And I agree..all polytheism is worshipping what is the account of the fallen ones and there offspring... the "heros"... and the avatars and avataras... even the thought, we are all God(s) is a form of polytheism and self worship and the cycle repeats...the ouroboros... like what Jung said, beware of unearned wisdom... that's why you need to be solid in your foundation. Know your bible. Because Gnostic beliefs can be very seducing..I don't believe knowledge it self is bad..regardless how deep esoteric and hidden it maybe, I believe what you do with that is where people fall, and fall into temptation. Know your foundation first

[@gamerlegend8529]

I've been shitting myself thinking about this for years and finally someone smart is connecting the dots for us thank you

[@kirayoshikage3258]

Yes SAME I was so glad to see a theory of mine be studied and researched! I’m a huge believer in psychedelics for both religious and health reasons and this resurgence of psychedelics and it’s studies truly means a new start for health and religion in a positive way!!

[@davidlean1060]

Although I was unaware that early Christians used psychedelics, I have been saying to people who point to strange figures etc in stone carvings as 'proof' of ancient aliens (the greatest load of cobblers I have ever heard!) that those figures are more likely representations of psychedelic visions.

[@vickishook9715]

@@kirayoshikage3258 precisely!

[@justinwilson1930]

@@davidlean1060 if it's possible for a chemical to allow your mind or soul to travel a multiverse then maybe there is something to the little green men. I'd like to think that all mythology stems from something and eventually fantasy become reality given a long enough timeline or multiple timelines.

[@davidlean1060]

@@justinwilson1930 I am just loath to accept mankind had nothing to do with the birth of his own consciousness and that we had to rely on little green men!

[@xmlviking]

This is absolutely facinating! Thank you so much to yourself and your incredible guests. What amazing human beings.

[@antoniopancadas6521]

What an interesting discussion, thank you so much for making these discussions available

[@PsychicSploob]

There's something like a dozen bombshell moments in this conversation alone.

[@timon6427]

Hey, there! Rock and stone! Love your channel.

[@PsychicSploob]

@@timon6427 Haha never would have thought I'd be recognized here!

[@Alexander.Berglund]

Time for our daily dose of mind-expanding listening! Grateful for the (free) opportunity!

[@brianmurarik994]

What a time to be alive

[@dodgecityvanlife]

I hate commenting. I do it for the algorithms. This is such an important conversation.

[@bronsondiamond2025]

I love Meister Eckhart's literary works! I studied this man in the Occult and my God, he has clearly seen some s***. Either he took a mushroom and never told anyone or he was born a mystic. He was way ahead of his time with his thoughts, I'm really glad he's being discussed in academia today.

[@philipswain4122]

I just ordered a copy. Looking forward to a deep dive.

[@velvia7880]

@@philipswain4122 Psychedelics are not needed for mystic insight, however they are a beautiful tool/sacrament/friend in our journey. True mysticism is within all of us. "Be still (as in stillness) and know that "I" am god." You're it.

[@Izak.Greywolf]

I wondered the same about Peterson. Surely he's tried them by now?

[@eliasekstrom4110]

​@@Izak.Greywolfi wondered it too. But most of us i think, tried psychedelics before age of 25, after that people seem to live on with what ever comfortable living pattern they have anyways, mostly, i think. I think a lot of people who tried psychedelics including me had this anti-establishment ideas during their youth. I don't say this was the main reason i tried psychedelics but maybe 15% of it was. And i don't see Jordan ever falling into this category. I also suspect he is a bit of a control freak 😄 and from my experience, people who are like that, they have a rougher time surrendering to the psychedelic experience. I am just speculating here on very loose grounds. Love Petersson, but in this video he is the student 🙂

[@jackiek4159]

Why couldn't I have a professor like Jordan Peterson? Loved this!

[@whitestone4805]

Steven Bancarz is interesting on all this.

[@jackiek4159]

@@tinfoilhatter That's awesome! Yess, definitely the "public-fool-system" love it! 😂👌🏻

[@christianalonso5831]

But you do have him. Don't be fooled by the medium. This is way better than a classroom. Don't fail to see!

[@jackiek4159]

@@christianalonso5831 🙌🏻💯

[@Jason-gm7zr]

I truly lack the education and experience to fully appreciate what I just witnessed. Nonetheless, something significant went on in this conversation and I feel grateful to have been able to sit in on it. Thank you.

[@raymondk.hessle607]

Feel the same way. lets see what themes of this reoccure in my dreames lol

[@ShaynAlmeida]

Prof. Carl Ruck is my new Hero :) Why was/is he virtually unkown in the canon of Psychedelics? Dude is AMazing!!! Thank you for bringing these guys to us, super informative, really, enlightening. Thank you.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Three brilliant, informed, articulate heads. A rare treat.

[@ImperfectWeapons]

That introduction is a hell of a way to peak interest. Somebody knows their audience.

[@santocesart]

Man you have been so sharp lately! And this conversation was in fact reasonable. We have been at the surface of being.

[@lizahasbeenhere.836]

I was going to say the same thing. His on fire.

[@carlosfilho9498]

Cesar Santos, I appreciate your work, man. It's splendid! Go on with the great paintings.

[@santocesart]

@Darren everyone will see him differently, I see a master psychologist sharing his knowledge and wisdom. He has been very creative with his studies.

[@santocesart]

@@carlosfilho9498 thank you!

[@parischarlievij4904]

Let's get past his short term use of benzos. Of course he is looking great, he is a strong person.

[@nxvsd58]

I had to watch this in three segments…so jammed pack….a mystical time machine of a conversation to say the least. Enjoyed every moment.

[@julianb1550]

Fantastic conversation, deeply thought provoking and thoroughly engaging!

[@dr.nivedidageorge998]

Trippy or not. Carl looks like an older Jordan talking to his younger self.

[@shannonlawsonnashville]

My wife passed by, glanced at Carl, and said “wow, Jordan has really aged”

[@bubblesweidmann7978]

Makes me wonder when Jesus Went into His Fathers Temple, and started to throw over the tables (which things were being sold) was he p.o.ed about seeing this sort of thing in front of him as well?

[@mike_k.]

Nah Carl is way too flegmatic compared to passionate Jordan :D Love that contrast

[@trst361]

Have you seen Netflix series Dark?

[@WideAwakeHuman]

Carl is one of those guys that it only takes a couple of sentences from his mouth before you realize he's done psychs and been thinking about these things for a looooong time

[@argeon6969]

Jordan Peterson back at it again!!

[@anthonypablo689]

An extraordinary and eye opening journey through the distant past! Brian’s book is a refreshing view of the early formulation of Christianity and Pagan beliefs!

[@susanhill2655]

An absolutely brilliant interview. Priceless and historic too, if you ask me!

[@flej01]

At 22 and im 59 now, I had a profound experience, I had a contraception that was called the loop, a small device attached to the tubes to stop pregnancy, I had developed a growth around them and had a procedure to remove it and scrape the growth. The drs replaced the loop and back in the ward I remember vividly the feeling I was dying, I was not scared, I thought of my children and soon relaxed knowing they were with my mother. I felt extremely relaxed I felt myself slipping into death it was the most amazing feeling I had never felt so good, a nurse came over and took my blood pressure that had dropped dramatically, soon I was surrounded by medical staff and the device was removed, I started to come back though the experience of that feeling has never left me, I am living with cancer and I am not scared of death infact I ache for it many days, pain will take you there the longing of no more pain is what takes me back to the day I faced death and wanting to embrace it. I became very suicidal around March of 2020 it was 10 months after my operation to remove my kidney, I had 5 tumours on my remaining kidney, if not for the dr I see now and prescribed pain medication I think I may have ended this thing we call life. You have made me want to experiment with psychedelics to see if I can go back to what I expirienced in 1984, I have found this to be a most interesting talk, thank you

[@416dl]

This, THIS, is THE interview I've been waiting for since first watching Brian on Rogan and immediately getting and reading his remarkable book. I intend to savor it.

[@CopperLontra]

I wonder if Dr Peterson would consider talking to Graham Hancock. He touches on a few of Hancocks points in this talk.

[@shortman2200]

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[@and__lam1152]

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[@billwhite9701]

I stand here as a testimony to this conversation being 100% on track,the truth lies within each and everyone of us, the veil removed when the I meets the Am , there are many ways to promote the opening up of one’s consciousness. Thank you for a great conversation. Book is on its Way.

[@franceshensley4691]

Thanks to these who delve so deeply and speak so clearly.

[@artmusicliterature9859]

Amazing opening! Clicked immediately after seeing Brian's name. His audio book version of his book is amazing. Incredibly gifted with language!